Motile Laptop - Adding a Thermal Pad to the SSD

[@Alex_Martz]

You need to place the thermal pads directly on the ssd! not the other way around like you're doing!, once you make sure the thermal pad is covering the controller close the laptop case and it'll stay in place! the reason why your other thermal pad is on the laptop case is because the sticky part was stronger on the case side and since you lift it it came together but at the factory those thermal pads are placed directly on the SSD's and then you close the case

[@FromDesertTown]

Sometimes the thermal pad sticks to the case even when you properly apply the pad to the SSD then close the laptop case. It's because the laptop case has more surface area to cling to the thermal pad than the SSD does. Also, the laptop case can have rough material with many small bumps and crevices on it which cling to thermal pads.

[@dolst]

Thanks for this video. I couldn't figure out why 2 Crucial 2TB SSDs in a row kept throwing I/O errors in my HP Envy, yet when I plug one into a USB M2 adapter it was smooth sailing. A thermal pad is the next thing for me to try.
Surf Wisely.

[@christianlane2307]

This was really helpful. Thanks a lot! Will definitely be adding a thermal pad w/ the upgrade.

[@davidhopkins1786]

Couldn't you also peel the backing off one side of the pad, lay the pad sticky side up onto the SSD then put the back in place (without the screws) to attach it to be back?

[@hellbounddeciple]

That how you would put it on normally on a pc

[@arigornstrider]

Heads up, the controller is the part that needs to be cooled. If you cool the SSD flash too much, you impact the flash performance and ability to function. Linus Tech Tips did a video on liquid cooling an SSD and goes into a bit of detail on this. You can cut the write endurance (SSD lifespan) in half by cooling the flash just to room temp.

[@shaundalindsay8882]

Can you put a link to Linus video on cooling an SSD? Thank you..

[@schumbo8324]

@@shaundalindsay8882 as far as i remember they were liquid cooling an ssd (i might be wrong) so it doesnt apply the situation here i believe

[@shaundalindsay8882]

@@schumbo8324 Thank you. My PC gets so hot and it's brand new so it kinda freaks me out.

[@MrWaheedulHaque]

@@shaundalindsay8882 look at repasting the cpu and gpu i have tutorial on my channel it pretty easy

[@shaundalindsay8882]

@@MrWaheedulHaque Will do... Thank you!

[@user-vr6nu1eb1k]

you can find it same frame laptop in china the model name is u45s1 or u45a1 of hasee. china version is double heatpipe and you can buy lcd screen and protect skin things in taobao.

[@dasgeld]

Where exactly? Do you know any place in shanghai that i can buy PC parts such as graphic cards, mother boards, RAMs?

[@faithalityblog]

Can I stick the thermal pad directly into the ssd? Or do I have to stick it in the plate as you did?

[@FaRKle0079]

Yeah, you could probably do it that way too, but it might stick to the SSD instead of the bottom cover next time you take the cover off.

[@gbxx6692]

many laptops have a heat spreader that has a controller chip pad.. what would be the pro/con of just a controller chip pad vs removing the spreader and going only pad to the cover?-- or even 120x20x .5mm pad under the spreader?

[@DonXenon75]

Cane daul NVMe be installed on this, im iching for this laptop to come back in stock.. meanwhile im getting my money together to max out everything i can...

[@AnhTuPhucDerrickHoangCanada]

i think they work and are worth it 4 the ease: i used them as a heat draw, toward the fan

[@AnhTuPhucDerrickHoangCanada]

i added to my chromebook too around the batt and the heat sinks

[@poopcoolman]

What and where can I find 32gb of ram and a 1tb nvme ssd for this laptop? And the best network card? I’m pretty much trying to max this thing out if you wouldn’t mind helping me out it’d be very appreciated! Hope to hear from you!

[@FaRKle0079]

I have some links to those in the description of my Motile M141/142 upgrade video: ruclips.net/video/iITc_8IBPK0/видео.html
Good luck!

[@henrysolis8996]

Good call on this mod. Thanks.

[@luisottzelot6478]

Kinda am confused.. When this thermal pads have 2 glued sides, why are you measuring on the backplane, instead of just sticking it to the m.2?

[@FaRKle0079]

If you put it on the bottom cover first you can ensure it's making good contact across the whole thing. If you put it on the SSD first, it'll make good contact on the whole SSD, which doesn't need it, and might not have as good contact with the bottom cover. You can do it that way though.

[@1minchess123]

I am so confused after adding a new SSD without thermal pads it goes max 50°c
The primary SSD with thermal pads going upto 70°c.

[@FaRKle0079]

Different controllers/chips will perform differently. They're designed to different thermal and power specs.

[@Googlebihar]

Does removing thermal pad after months removes serial no. and other information written on it? I am asking because information is used for claiming warranty.

[@FaRKle0079]

Should be safe to remove. I haven't seen pads pull off stuff from the sticker.

[@FlorinArjocu]

I see it dissipates the heat into the case. Should I have thermal pad if the lower case is made of plastic? Thanks!

[@FaRKle0079]

The inside of the bottom cover is metal. If it was all plastic adding thermal pads wouldn't be very helpful.

[@jelbiytube7386]

can i put at top and bottom ?

[@VIVOS007]

Thanks for the video. Now, how thick is the pad? 1mm or 2mm?

[@FaRKle0079]

I used a 2mm thick pad.

[@rondhole]

@@FaRKle0079 It is supposed to cool only the controller and DRAM, the IC and other parts are better to be left alone and do not get the heat from the controller.

[@nsevv]

does this work for alienware x17 r2?

[@FaRKle0079]

If that laptop has a similar architecture, probably.

[@user-kn5dr6nu5c]

Does it support DDR4 32G?

[@unknwn_usr3077]

Can I use this as an alternative for Thermal Paste?
I want to use it between CPU and Heatsink

[@robertochen8672]

Nope dont do that, at least not with these ones
There are some design specifically for the processors though, like the carbonaut from thermal grizzly

[@JoaoPinto-1983]

Hi. Does you C disk stuck in 33º temp? I've got one that never goes from there. Do you have the same situation?

[@FaRKle0079]

Does it read that immediately after starting up too? Sometimes I see that reading stop updating after a while.

[@JoaoPinto-1983]

@@FaRKle0079 mine don't stop updating, since I startup the machine that the temp is always 33C

[@MurangShaBu_MahalNaBiGas]

how about thermal paste?

[@robinagreer]

Relating to the other video... Why did you upgrade the wifi? Is it a lot better and worth it? Im confused. Not saying that you shouldn't have just trying to figure out if i should or not. I got the better one due to it being $309 but with the ram and ssd its getting expensive. Lol

[@jchiakik]

Yes. Upgrade the WiFi. Asap.

[@leeuniverse]

Yes, for $18 bucks the Wifi upgrade is WAY better than the stock wifi.

[@darrellwesh7352]

Can you switch the original SSD to the nvme slot and vice versa?

[@FaRKle0079]

I don't think so. I've read cases where people tried and only the first slot has either SATA or NVMe capability.

[@brandonbooker9301]

I love this also the more space u fill in the less work your fans have to do

[@TocyBlox]

The fans does not cool the ssd, its passively cooled.

[@Ajeevlal]

I added HP EX900 on the first slot and with this the surface of the SSD sticks to the thermal pad on the laptop case. Will that be problem?

[@FaRKle0079]

Nope, no problem at all if you put a different SSD into the first slot and reuse the original thermal pad with it.

[@Ajeevlal]

@@FaRKle0079 Thanks, but if thermal pad sticks in top of the SSD and laptops back panel would that affect the SSD or it's performance?

[@FaRKle0079]

@@Ajeevlal The thermal pad is supposed to contact both the SSD and the laptop bottom panel. It transfers heat from the SSD to the bottom panel. The bottom panel acts as a heatsink for the SSD.

[@Ajeevlal]

@@FaRKle0079 thank you, I got it now

[@mahiman_sharma]

Can i add thermal pad for HDD also because its getting overheated

[@FaRKle0079]

Sure, you can add a thermal pad to a HDD case to sink heat to a body panel or something. You'll probably want to find out if it's the controller on the HDD that's overheating or the spinning platters themselves to figure out where to best place the pads.

[@mahiman_sharma]

@@FaRKle0079 thank you for the reply.. Will it still work if my laptop's back panel is made of plastic

[@FaRKle0079]

@@mahiman_sharma Plastic is a poor thermal conductor so it may help a slight bit, but not much unfortunately.

[@Khranitel]

Did you took off sticker from SSD or just left it there? I mean, obviously the result will be better without sticker, but then your warranty for SSD will certainly be void.

[@FaRKle0079]

I left the sticker on there. You're right that it inhibits the heat transfer some, but the important thing to keep cool is the controller, not necessarily the memory chips themselves, and that doesn't have the stocker covering it.

[@schumbo8324]

some of those stickers already act as a thermal pad thanks to its material and the engineers built it so its not %100 that it was just a paper standing in between

[@kayl9382]

I need to ask. Can you add a thermal pad or heatsink or both to a M.2?
Is it necessary to have both?

[@FaRKle0079]

There isn't any room to add a heatsink to an M.2 on this laptop, just thermal pad.

[@kayl9382]

@@FaRKle0079 that makes sense 😅 thanks for the feedback. I want to install a M.2 on my own laptop and this is pretty helpful 👍

[@kayl9382]

@@FaRKle0079 I have a Lenovo ideapad 330s 8th Gen. Would a heat sink fit on this laptop and must I add it if I can?

[@TheChillDeadpool]

@@FaRKle0079 there is a heat sink that's just a copper plate that's as thin as a thermal pad so might be able to fit

[@FaRKle0079]

@@TheChillDeadpool I'm not sure that'd be any better than the thermal pad connecting the drive to the bottom panel though, unless you meant trying to it on the mobo side of the M.2 drive.

[@dexterlallo397]

What size is suitable for vram use near the gpu. 1mm or 2mm??

[@FaRKle0079]

There's no GPU or VRAM on this laptop. The GPU is integrated onto the CPU package. The DRAM SODIMM doesn't need a thermal pad.

[@dexterlallo397]

@@FaRKle0079 but what size do you think is suitable?

[@alanroberts7723]

Did using a slightly thicker pad have any effect on the orig. SSD temps?

[@FaRKle0079]

I haven't noticed any change in the original SSD's temps with the pad on the secondary SSD.

[@alanroberts7723]

@@FaRKle0079 Thanks. So the 2mm pad for the secondary SSD( while keeping the original pad on the original SSD )is the way to go.

[@FaRKle0079]

@@alanroberts7723 Yup, that should work just fine.

[@alanroberts7723]

@@FaRKle0079 Great video. Really appreciate the help.

[@rickybird6015]

looking for cooling upgrades for my laptop then saw on the desktop ncs expert i was like nice another bmw guy !

[@FaRKle0079]

Haha yup, this is my "garage" laptop now for diagnosing/programming BMW stuff.

[@rickybird6015]

@@FaRKle0079 nice yea i got a old xp laptop i use for it and another xp one for a back up

[@jcheng4015]

What about placing thermal pads on the heat pipes to help with the CPU?

[@FaRKle0079]

I'd be really surprised if the heatpipe to CPU die/IHS didn't already have some kind of TIM. Did you see that it didn't?

[@jcheng4015]

@@FaRKle0079 I think we are talking about different things. I'm specifically talking about the run of heat pipe in between the fan and the cpu. If you were to place thermal pads there, it would carry disperse through the case too right?

[@FaRKle0079]

@@jcheng4015 Yes, if you wanted to increase the cooling capacity you could add thermal pads to the heat pipes so that they sink to the bottom cover.

[@jcheng4015]

@John Right. I'm talking about the heat pipes in my original comment. You wouldn't put thermal paste on the heat pipes to contact the bottom of the case would you?

[@jackblack4110]

Have you attempted it? I'm thinking of adding it myself but unsure if the thermal pads won't just fall of after awhile

[@Niko-zl5hn]

bro can you help me out? just got my motile 14 today, and im surprised how hot it gets, havent recorded the temperatures yet, but its hot as hell, my thighs hurt when im putting keeping it on my lap, and the fan noise is annoying too, is it normal to heat like this or should i do something about it? and the trackpad is bad as well

[@Niko-zl5hn]

the laptop overheats on idle as well, and then the fans start spinning, but dont mange to cool the laptop though

[@FaRKle0079]

@@Niko-zl5hn I'd grab some monitoring software to see what the temps are getting to. If the temps are getting high, but the processor load is low, then there might be an issue with how well the heatsink/heatpipes are making contact with the CPU.

[@Niko-zl5hn]

@@FaRKle0079 im using core temp to monitor the temps, idk if its the cpu load but on the load section, it has four different sections, it could be cpu cores, they get about 64% of load, but the temps are 75C as im typing this, imm keeping it on my lap, but i dont think laptops get this hot even if youre using it on your laps, keeping the air vents covered...in the task manager, the cpu usge is 80-90...what temps do you get? and can you tell me a good monitoring software? and can i undervolt the cpu?

[@Niko-zl5hn]

@@FaRKle0079 i used fan control and task manager to more effectively monitor the temps and cpu usage, the cpu temp rises even on 25-40% of cpu usage, it rises to 50- 60 and even 70 sometimes, what temperatures do you generally get while just browsing the web
and one more thing, is there any way i can limit the usage of the cpu to get cooler temperature? i tried undervolting, but the software wouldnt let me do it, because i think ryzen apus are not meant for undervolting

[@FaRKle0079]

@@Niko-zl5hn Is your 60% useage short spikes, or sustained? If it's sustained like that at idle I'll be surprised, and say you should find out what's causing that.
Might want to check the stock thermal pad, or replace with thermal paste if the temps are high at idle and low CPU useage.

[@alanroberts7723]

Tried to add a secondary SSD & the computer wouldn't boot. Only got the black Motile screen. Removed the SSD & the computer works fine. Called Motile support & they think it must be a computer hardware issue. Probably have to send it back for repairs.

[@alanroberts7723]

I tried another SSD & everything works fine. Either a defective SSD or not compatible. It was a Toshiba.

[@corollamt]

Good

[@googleuser7202]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT 29MM IS??? YOU HAVE IT AT 49MM OMG

[@andrerochachaves]

Is there a "Aliexpress" sticker on you laptop?

[@FaRKle0079]

Haha, that'd be pretty funny if there was!

[@marcusm5127]

I am up to 75 C get at my level.

[@sayfriahi1807]

Bro u dont put thermal pads on the case 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ put it directly that's how it works!