Stop your Samsung NVMe SSD from Overheating and Thermal Throttling
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- M 2 NVME SSD Heatsink Installation Guide. How to stop your Samsung M.2 NVMe SSD from Overheating and Thermal Throttling. Stop your NVme SSD from overheating. Stop your NVme SSD from thermal throttling. Samsung 970 EVO Plus overheating. Samsung 980 PRO overheating. How to properly apply thermal pad on Samsung M.2 NVME SSD. How to apply Grizzly thermal pad on M.2 NVMe SSD. How to solve NVMe SSD overheating problem. How to cool down NVMe SSD. Samsung 970 EVO Plus vs Samsung 980 PRO performance test. Samsung 970 EVO Plus vs Samsung 980 PRO temperature test. Samsung 970 EVO plus temperature. Samsung 990 PRO temperature. Samsung 980 PRO speed test. Samsung 970 EVO Plus speed test. Samsung 980 PRO vs Samsung 970 EVO Plus speed test. How to fix Samsung 990 PRO NVMe SSD overheating. Samsung 990 PRO overheating. How to apply thermal pad on Samsung 990 PRO M.2 SSD.
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I was the first one who made a video about this design flaw, but I'm not sure if I was the first one who noticed this problem. We received a bunch of laptops with fried controller chips on Samsung's SSDs that didn't have proper cooling and the chip didn't even touch the thermal pad. Later, Samsung came up with the 980 PRO with a built-in heatsink. And if you remove that heatsink, guess what you'll see inside? Yes, there will be several thermal pads with different thicknesses, just as I showed you in the video. But they went even further and made separate pads for small chips as well. You can check out the pictures: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Thanks for the video and for showing the thermal pad height difference on a built-in heatsink. I want to point out a worse issue that it still going strong without a single try to be fixed by motherboard manufacturers. Because of the height difference between the NAND and the other chips (controller, ram etc) build-in heatsinks on the motherboards push the M.2 drives down resulting in bent PCBs (google "nvme bent under heatsink" to see pictures of the issue). Different height thermal pads or putty are necessary not only to maintain normal temperature on high load but to avoid damaging the drive physically by applying too much force on one side of the PCB.
OMG, found your video ❤, i have 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus in my Lenovo laptop and...one disk when im gaming reaches 84C (controller temp), now HWinfo64 is showing 3 temps for these 970 Evo Plus, and 3rd temp is controller (like in your video)! Looked for pads - these 0.5mm costs 26€ for 1 little pad (why so expensive) 😮? I will try my luck in aliexpress mby 😢
P.S. I noticed it ~year ago, now one amigo said that im crazy and these temps are super hot for SSD! A lot of forums here... When i installed it (changed my 970 evo 500gb to this 970 E P 2tb) i noticed that here are height difference on Samsung ssds!!! Thats annormal, Samsung, what are you doing?
@@KOT-ANGRY There are way better thermal pads nowadays like GELID: alii.pub/6t99o1
@@ElectronicsComputers very helpful and informative, thank-you. I'm curious though, would it be okay to just buy 1 thermal pad only, 0.5mm, and double-stack two 0.5mm pads on top of each other in place of the 1mm section, just to save a bit of money? Or would you highly recommend using the dedicated 1mm pad regardless?
Finally someone with a really good advice who does not force me to watch 20 min video. Big thanks!
Happy to help! Thank you for the comment!
@@ElectronicsComputers Appreciate videos like yours, direct and straight to the point, thanks.
Oh yes!!
Indeed nice video!
Yah well clicking for views is what it seems to be all about. if I were to create a video on this topic, I would have opened it showing what kind of data loading and or video editing it takes to get the drive even close to its thermal throttle speed of 80c. as the average users of this kind of hardware will never even get them close to the throttled limits. `if the drives temps were high, they would have been engineered / sold with heat syncs from the factory to ensure customer satisfaction, Ie like the high-end gen 5 drives all seem to have heat spreaders from the factory.
You just solved my mystery, bro. I also have a laptop with Samsung 970EVO Plus which gets hot like hell it even starts to smell like something's melting inside. I replaced the thermal pad twice and it didn't help. Today, I installed two cheap thermal pads 0.5mm and 1mm thick and OMG what a difference. And how as a regular consumer am I supposed to know that Samsung SSDs need two different pads to cool them down properly? Please Samsung tell me.
I'm glad I could help you with your problem.
You can also put a thermal pad on the back of the PCB and place it (gently) against the mobo- the pad is electrically insulated, and the mobo itself is a giant heatsink.
The m.2 socket is a tiny spring loaded hinge, and it will not break.
same problem here I just hit 108°C
Love the fact that you made a base line stock vs stock + new thermal pads
Thank you! I looked for differences between silicone thermal pads and there really isn't much information on them, I didn't really want to use what comes with a $15.00 m.2 heatsink so this showed me I'm right to get something better.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for the demostration! I am on my way to order this thermal pads to solve the overheating issues!
Glad it was helpful!
@@ElectronicsComputers on bottom side do we need to apply the 1 mm one or .5 mm one ? Want to install firecuda 530 with heatsink on ps5 ?
@@kingcobralive3081 If that heat sink requires a thermal pad at the bottom of the SSD, then use 0.5mm one. Otherwise I wouldn't use it at bottom of the drive.
For most situations where the original pad was 1mm, I needed to use 1mm and 1.5mm. I tried using 0.5mm at first, since thinner is better, but in a few applications this resulted in poor contact with the heatsink, or even none at all. Meanwhile, adding the thickness to the controller side has worked well every time.
You can use any combination of pad thickness that works with your cooling system, but the difference between pads should be 0.5mm just like in your case.
If you were to do it agian would you do 1mm and 1.75mm? Or does the 1mm and 1.5 work perfect?
Yes I also used 1 and 1.5 to be sure it was touching the enclosure. Like the video creator says: as long as the difference is 0.5 between the two.
I just mounted one of this 980pro recently, but didn't realize about that different on surface. I'll update the thermal pad next weeks. Thanks for making this video.
Happy to help!
Thank you for this great self help improvement. I did not know a Ruskie can be as detailed as a Gerry.
What are you talking about?
Great video, thanks. I’ll be sure to do this with my laptop. I was wondering if you’ve seen a big difference between thermal grizzly pads and other brands? Are we talking about only one or two *C or is it a bigger difference of say 5*C or more in the delta between stock pads and third party?
The difference between the expensive and cheap no name pads is no more than 3-5C
Biggest aspect should be durability
Thermal grizzly always amazes me. You have to be careful buying it though, a lot of Chinese knockoffs out there
@@ElectronicsComputers Hello, I have a laptop, I can also install it this way, or which nvme is not enough to warm up. which model will fit.
This point, that the heights are different, is critical. Good video.
Thanks!
Hi @Electronics&Computers, thanks for the great video. One of the best tutorials in the last decade.
My question is can and „shall“ I use the 0.5mm Thermalpad method on my samsung oem 980 pro (pm9a1) 2TB and my 980 pro 1tb.
I am going to use both under the thermal guards (onboard heatsinks) in my desktop gigabyte gaming x z690 ddr5 mainboard. Both heatsinks have pre installed thermalpads by gigabyte. My plan is just to use the cutout 0,5mm thermalpad on the controller side to align with the height of the nands to make it even. The thermalguard of the mainboard with the pre installed thermalpads would then overlap/sync with both the nands and the 0.5mm controller compound. Are u seeing any issues with doing so or any better idea to close the controller gap under a pre installed mainboard heatsink. Thanks in advance.
Everything is clear and understandable. Thank you. I have 970s.
thank you for the comment!
Very enlightening. I would not have thought to worry about the different thickness of the chip-set and the controller. I might just pick up a Samsung 980 Pro, (or two.)
Really short and informative!
Thanks for the video!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Glad it was helpful!
THANK YOU!!! My 980 Pro running on PCIe4 went from 67 degrees down to 46 degrees after doing this!! :D
Great job!
damn 😰🔥👍
Thanks for the demoinstration. Got those Grizzly pads and was able to level all chips on my SX8200 PRO. Without the extra 0.5mm pad, the controller, which is the chip that actually gets hottest, was not touching the heatsink at all ! For SX8200 PRO, you actually need both 0.5m and 1mm pads - 0.5mm over the controller and 1mm where the SSD board misses a chip (on one side near the pin end).
Happy to help!
@@ElectronicsComputers I have a question how do you wrap a Ram card with thermal pads on it and is it okay to slowly untape the brand Crucial per say and paste it on top of the thermal pad or would that just void my warranty not that I care I just want to put thermal pads everywhere doing a huge repasting of my laptop I have never done the M2 and Ram but this was educational thank you!.
Cheers buddy, this video was awesome!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bought some items from your links so I hope I helped a bit.
Thanks for the video tutorial!
I'm happy to help and thank you for your support!
I noticed this exact thing on the Kingston Kc3000 and was wondering if I should do something different with the heat sink. Very glad to find your simple solution
I'm glad I could help you!
perfect! I had the same problem, thanks to your modification I'm 10 degrees cooler now! Many thousand thanks for this valuable video! :🥳💪👍
Great job! Glad it helped.
This is a good follow-up from your "Upgrade your Dell XPS 9500 Series" video, which I followed to upgrade my 9510 with the 980 and am now experiencing even worse heat than I was before!
What thermal pads did you use? There's a 0.4-0.5mm difference between chips. So you need to put for example a 1mm pad on the controller chip and a 0.5mm pad on the memory chips.
@@ElectronicsComputers I didn't know I needed thermal pads, I just put a heatsink that seems to have one already
thanks for the video. very professional and informative :3
You're very welcome!
Muy interesante que ese pequeño espacio haga la diferencia, gracias por compartir. Saludos.
What a great video. I'm currently looking into acquiring a pcie slot for SSD and researching all the needed info.
Thanks a lot. This was so helpful.
I'm glad I could help you!
Amazing video. Down to the point, instructive and your way of explaining things is really captivating and clear. Thanks so much!
Glad it was helpful and thank you for the comment!
Very useful advice! Thanks for your labor 👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Great video and thank you for your detailed explanation. In my case, I have a 970 pro samsung nvme in my desktop. Is the procedure the same if I purchase the thermal pads (0,5 & 1)and a EKWB EK-M.2 NVME Heatsink? I am having serious temprature problems with the controller of the nvme.
Yes, 0.5mm and 1mm pads will do the job.
@@ElectronicsComputers Do I have to buy both? I am using the nvme in a tower not a laptop. I think that you mentioned in the video that a thick thermal pad should do the trick.
@@aidenreaper4196 If your cooling solution allows you to use 1-1.5mm thick thermal pad then in most cases no need to use two thermal pads.
The location of your m.2 socket will matter also. On the mobo under a GPU is awful. Mounted up on a PCIe AIC the cooler gets more air flow. If you have a GEN4 socket away from other components use that. If you have the clearance an air cooler with heat pipes is best. Or of coarse a Corsair water block is the best solution right now. I agree with E&C match the pad height to the chip height and use the best pads you can find. 12W/kM or 8WkM, standard pads are just 1.5WkM.
The EK m.2 heatsink already comes with thermal pads with different thicknesses.
Great video. I feel it would make sense to do each chip separately. This way the conduction from the hotter controller doesn’t heat up the other chips. This probably isn’t possible in a laptop but in a desktop would be ideal.
This only makes sense if you have individual heatsinks. But it's actually better to have a large heatsink so that the controller and cache have a large shared heatsink to dissipate into. For SSDs, the heatsinks aren't really for continuous heat dissipation, but more as a temporary heat buffer for short bursts. Because the typical workload involves short burst transfers that will spike the chip temperature for a few seconds, rather than long sustained transfers, in which case your small heatsink included on most SSDs or motherboards isn't nearly enough to handle the ~3W heat output for long periods without airflow.
@@Fluvance So in otherwords you're saying I'm screwed xD. I want a drive to hold 1tb of gopro 4k footage.. seems transfering this footage the ssd gets hot in my laptop.. Gonna try bumping the fans and see if it'll help nexted time. Atleast once the data is on, it should be ok.
@@Fluvance it sounds like you know what youre talking about im in hotel now i cant get my tv to work, how i can change the source without the remote working properly on an old phillips tv that hasnt got a source button or full functionally on the device itself?
@@DavidsonLoops what ?
Спасибо!
Раньше не обращал на такие, казалось бы, мелочи внимания.
Thanks alot. You helped me alot with this. Squared away my overheating issues with my new drives.
Happy to help!
You can put the pad between PCB backside, and against the mobo to act as a heatsink. You can also put a thermal pad on only the controller, that way only the nand flash runs "warm" (meaning between 15-45° C), while the controller stays cool.
Doing both allows you to cool the components that prefer cooling, while allowing the nand to stay "warm" - nand flash will actually degrade if too cold.
Yeah, so in theory using a worse thermal pad is the way to go on the flash and a high quality one on the controller for best "durability"
@@ImDembe BS it is NEVER a good idea to run memory hotter as long as you are above -30C. space operations is a totally different story. This is if you are using a real heat sink that moves heat and not a block of metal that is just a heat 'capacitor'
@@davebing11 -30c? Nandflash should not be to hot or cold, the controller is always better to have as cool as possible. The data on that was before, im not sure anything els have come out.
Even if you have a good headsink with active cooling it will still store heat. so the controller will heat up the rest of the components either way. Most people don't need shit anyway, few people do benchmark level stress on a regular basis nor write heavy data daily, for that little group of people they might need to care.
nand flash will perform worse when its colder (not very noticable though) but it will extend its lifespan
It will never reach the 'too cold' state when you are on earth dude, stop BS LOL
I went to re-pad my desktop and discovered the 970 Evo Plus doesn't measure the same as the 980 Pro. The controller was making contact at the same height as the memory, but with no contact in the middle where all those smaller components are.
This is in conflict with some other reports of the same model, it may be different for various capacities, or they could have updated the design at some point.
Same for me, the NAND and controller of the 970 Evo Plus are at the same height
@@trixniisamaso theres no need to separate / cut the pads?
I don't know why I end up in this video but I love the fact that this is straight to the point and full of useful informations.
Thank you for the comment!
Amazing work sir ... just installed Samsung Pro 980 2TB in my PS5 using your technique.
Good job!
Спасибо за видео, очень полезная информация!
Happy to help!
Thanks so much for this! My laptops 980 Pro temps have dropped to 54c on the same benchmark and even after running Samsungs magician benchmark right after the max temp was only 63c!
It is only on pci gen 3 but still impressive as the m.2 is next to my cpu and only uses a thin aluminium heatsink.
Good job!
nice info thanks! i saw some people complaint about the pro not performing well under heavy load :)
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for posting this video 🎥🍿🍺🇺🇸. You have a new subscriber 🎉. Keep up the great 👍 work 🎉.
Thanks for the sub!
Without any heatsink and thermal pad, i was pumping up to 98'c when stress testing on my NVMe Samsung 970 pro 1tb. Suprisingly, it has lasted a whole year without a heatsink, but the temperatures for sure, were making me very nervous when i discovered them. So:
Having now installed a heatsink after buying one, i am down to 75'c max under stress conditions. Still a bit hot, but this is faaaarr more normal, and i can have more confidence that i am OK to push the drive. Definitely invest in a heatsink for Samsung 970/980 nvme's. Knowing what i do now...i am SHOCKED that Samsung did not provide a heatsink with this particular product.
The temperatures are clearly Dangerous by design.
Totally agree with you! With such uneven surface design, they should have applied a built-in heatsink (just a custom built copper or aluminum stripe) like other manufacturers do. That would solve the problem.
What brand cooler did you buy? I am looking at a be quiet m.2 heatsink right now and want to know if yours is better
@@car3448 I bought a QIVYNSRY M.2 Heatsink from amazon for like £7 (US $9) and it solved all my temperature worries. It was cheap, all i wanted, and did the job.
Installation difficulty: 1/10 Its super easy to install, as easy as lego bricks. I used the One thermal pad method, and its fine.
They are not. I've used 960 Pro for over 5 years without heatsink, still works well and according to Magician the drive is still in perfect health.
970 is normal though wo heatsink it maxed at 60s (67 or smth)
Thanks! I was getting crazy with the choose of the right thermal pad's thickness for the nvme upgrading of my Dell XPS 9370. Are three 0.5 mm pads a bad solution to obtain one of 1.5 mm thick?
Don't do that, those 0.5 mm pads stacked together is not gonna perform even close as good as a one 1.5 mm pad.
@@ElectronicsComputers so the more thick it is, the better.
@@hikosan7563 No! There's 0.5mm difference between two surfaces and that's how you can level it.
Today I found this video again, and after many searches and researching this video is the best way to do it.
The only thing to think of is that the memory chips don't like cooling they work beter with some heating.🤔
Well that's what I read.
Now it's time to see if massive heatsink from ICY box will help my 990 PRO m. 2
But I am impressed by how good the motherboard Z590-E can cool by design.
Because my first tryout with a heatsink and fan wash not working, and think this video show why that can be.
Thank you for the opportunity again to rethinking the best way to apply the heat patches.
👍💯
Thank you for the comment! I'm happy to help. And don't leave those NAND chips without a heatsink. There are no electronic components that like heat, well, maybe except for electron tubes/vacuum tubes. Even if there's some slight performance boost for a warm chip, which you'll never notice in real life, there's a bunch of other components around that definitely won't be happy with high temperatures.
Can you do this to WD SN750 SSDs? I wonder if the sizes of thermal pads required would be different
What actually makes this particularly egregious is that the nand modules actually like being hot while the controller performs best at low temps, so without varying the pad sizes the cooling is super inefficient.
I think being used already make the Nand hot.
Except first boot
Excellent video! Really professional and valuable information! I will definitely subscribe!
Thanks and welcome
@@ElectronicsComputers I put the blue insulation on top of my SSD, under the aluminum holder. The HWInfo suggests the temperature is remaining low. Thank you! I'm going up change the Trackpad. Does it make sense to put another layer of the blue insulation on top of the aluminum SSD holder? Thank you
Me subscribed too! Will look for cheap pads (grizzly costs unbelievable price) 😢
Thank you for the solution, bro!
Any time
Hi. Do you need two heatsinks for M.2 NVME (one for the bottom and one for the top? What's the thickness in mm for both heatsinks?)? And should we remove the sticker for better contact with the thermal pad?
What's the thickness in mm is the big heatsink you used in this video?
Thank you.
God bless, Revelation 21:4
The pad for the controller chip is 1mm thick and the pad for the memory chips is 0.5mm thick. There's no need to remove the sticker from the SSD because it will void the warranty and there won't be any dramatic difference in the temperature.
@@ElectronicsComputers You're welcome (on me subbing).
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@@ElectronicsComputers Thanks. I'll save up for those. By the way my current multitester's temperature probe won't work anymore. I'm avoiding buying (it take awhile too, to arrive) to lessen the thrash when I throw the broken one. How do you usually repaire a temperature probe (mine is just that braided wire with a rounded ball at the end, not the rod one).
I'm sorry for a few newbie questions. Can I only use the the heatsink without the thermal pad? Or the heatsink and thermal pad have to use together to reduce heat? I need to upgrade my laptop M.2 2280 NVMe SSD to 1TB from 256BG. It looks like the M.2 2280 NVMe SSD on my laptop doesn't have the heatsink or thermal pad on top of it. My Dell laptop manual said that it doesn't come with the SSD thermal bracket. Is the thermal bracket and heatsink are the same?
Thanks so much
You can't use a heat sink without a thermal pad because the last one conducts heat from the surface of your SSD to the heat sink. What's the model of your laptop?
@@ElectronicsComputers My laptop model is Inspiron 7506 2-in-1 Silver. Thanks so much for your help
thank you, been fighting the heat problem for a few weeks on a new unraid build.
Glad I could help
Excellent video!! It makes a lot of sense too. Thanks for the information. I have found this problem recently with my Dell XPS. It has been causing me issues. Now, I have it on the run.
Glad it helped! Samsung actually fixed the problem with their SSD heat sink version in the same way: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Really useful fact man, thanks so much
Happy to help 😊
Which type of heatsink should I get on my laptop that can pair well with thermal grizzly? My laptop is asus zephyrus g15.
Thank you for sharing this. I've been doing this on some of my SSDs after noticing that the controller is almost always a different thickness from the NAND and doesn't make contact with the heatsink.
Glad it helped
Would you recommend this installation for an Asus Vivobook 15 k513ea?
Didn't know about the gap :-/ Thanks man ! Just ordered my pads.
Happy to help!
Wow! That tip was well worth kudos ans a subscription. Thanks.
Happy to help 😊
Great video :)
I just want to ask you a quick question. In your video you used Grizzly minus 8 thermal pad stickers. They have a thermal conductivity which is 8 m w/k. Also there is Arctic thermal pad stickers and they have a thermal conductivity which is 6 m w/k. I have an Alienware 17 r5 laptop and I want to put thermal pad stickers and a heatsink on a Samsung 980 pro.
8 m w/k will transfer heat faster to the heatsink than 6 m w/k but I was told that you need an ideal environment which has excellent airflow to take advantage of the faster heat transfer and the heatsink will get rid of the heat fast because of the excellent airflow. My environment is not ideal because of the weak airflow to the nvme ssd area so the heatsink will get rid of the heat slower for me so there is no need for the heat to quickly reach the heatsink so it's ok if I use the arctic thermal pad sticker. Is what I said correct? I am worried that if I use the Grizzly thermal pad sticker then the heat will quickly escape from the nvme ssd but I may end up with a hotter heatsink because the heat will slowly leave the heatsink due to the weak airflow.
Which thermal pad sticker shall I get?
Both will work perfectly but I'd still go with 8m w/k. it's an optimal thermal transfer conductivity for a regular passive heat sink. If you'd have a liquid or air cooled heat sing then I'd go with even higher thermal conductivity.
Just got my hands on a Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1TB) - manufactured 2023-02-22. The NAND memory chips seem to have a lower profile than the ones in your video now, or at least the controller chip + heatspreader and sticker is slightly higher than the memory chips with the ruler test. I understand that the controller chip is the most critical component to cool, and the memory chips are lower by ~0.2mm using a cheap, rudimentary feeler gauge. So there was nothing I felt could be improved with different thermal pads in my situation. Perhaps Samsung have solved this design flaw?
Hello, would the 0.5 and 1mm pad sizes be eough to reach the heatsink plate for a normal desktop mb with nvme slot with a heatsink?
This is a GOOD video. No.. Its a GREAT video. Brings a murky problem into specific relief. Concise. Bravo Sir
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this great video.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for your informative Video, I have 970 evo plus 2TB and become overheated up to 63C on disk mark test. My motherboard is Gigabyte Z790 elite ax D4 and i am currently installing this M.2 on the second slot. Do you recommend to replace the current thermal pad with thicker pad that could does better like Thermalright ODYSSEYⅡ2mm 14.8w/mk or stick to your method and size (0.5mm & 1.00 mm). your advised is highly appreciated.
I don't think that you can put 2mm pad under that heatsink. The higher thermal conductivity the harder the pad. So it may not be properly compressed. The optimal solution is 1mm and 0.5mm pad for those SSDs. But don't use Grizzly pads there's way better solutions nowadays. We switched to GELID Solutions gp-ultimate 15W/MK: alii.pub/6oz44c
I just got the 970 EVO 2tb installed in my Alienware m15 R4 in the last week and noticed immediately that I was having extreme heat problems. It was even affecting my cpu. I've had to undervolt the cpu by 100.6 to get the temps under control but the 970's Drive Temperature 3 is still running at 76 minimum. It's freaking me out. Thank you SO MUCH for this information. I was worried I was gonna burn out the whole laptop if I couldn't figure it out.
Yeah, 970 gets really hot. try to use two pads with different thickness. In my laptop I use two 2TB 980EVO and it's a big difference in terms of temperature.
Thanks for the video! I have just ordered the WD Black SN850, could this work also with that modell? I wasn't sure if the heatsinc would still fit into my thin Aero 15 laptop, so I didnt' order one. probably bad idea, right?
There's no heatsink for that model, so no sense to use thermal pads. WD Black SN85 is a Gen4 SSD when your laptop has only Gen3 speeds support, so your SSD won't overheat.
Thanks. I'm wondering if instead of buying 2 sizes, just use double .5mm to create a thinker pad as needed?
Yes, you can do that. Xbox uses such technique in their power supply but the thermal conductivity will be slightly lower, though.
Unfortunately the Samsung Galaxy Book Flex laptop I bought was too small for a good heatsink. I tried using a couple of copper heatsinks that you just attach to the thermal pads, but that tragically resulted in the heatsink absorbing all the heat and not dissipating it fast enough to keep up with my 970 Evo Plus. I need a really good heatsink with an active fan to keep up with my SSD, or I at least need to upgrade to a 980 Pro even for my PCIe 3.0 laptop because it just runs cooler. Maybe I'll be able to fit the 980 pro w/ heatsink into my laptop?
You need at least 3 mm clearance to install a heatsink and a thermal pad. Your best option might be just upgrading to 980PRO.
I dont have any heatsink on my 970 evo in my desktop pc. Was noticing it started to throttle somtimes, but the contoller temp was 75℃, and the drive temp 57℃. Do you still think the temperature might be the problem? I've already ordered a heatsink and thermal pads just in case, but I thought 75℃ was well withing range of these ssd's.
Anything higher than 60℃ is not good for all electronic components. Your SSD will run perfectly well for some time under those conditions, but will it shorten its life and make it unreliable for storing valuable data, yes for sure.
Really Helpful, thank you
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This is good information about cooling. Thanks.
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Hi! Thanks a lot for the video - this is really helpful. Do I understand it correctly that if Thermal pad is initially 1mm(on my motherboard MSI X670E Carbon) then I can simply put SSD without accounting for height difference?
In most cases thick thermal pads cover uneven surfaces better but it also depends on the heatsink and how the SSD is mounted. Check out how Samsung installs their SSDs in their heatsink: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg They went even further than I did and made separate pads for small chips as well. I'd leave 1mm pad for the NAND chips and added 1.5mm pad for the controller chip. But first test the temperature of your SSD using some software, that shows two temperature sensors not one and then decide what to do.
thanks for the useful comparions!
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Hi where did you get the heatsink form your Dell laptop?
Smart way, using them on gen3 also big help. Weird thing is my m.2 slot behind the motherboard which means there is like 3 mm space inbetween case wall and nvme drive. Squeezed to pretty tight spot and i can^t put a heatsink on it anways. Suprisingly its not overheating, i was thinking that thigh spot will keep it more hot, i don't do any render tho but games which is doing realtime render actually but i never see that nvme went over 55 degree yet. Its gen4 works good n cooler on gen3 so i decided to go w/o heatsink or i will put a hole to the case.
Clear and good advice
Thank you for the comment.
Hi man! First of all, thanks for the video all answers you gave in comments))
Also I'm curious, is it acceptable to place two 0.5mm pads on each other, to create 1mm layer?
It will work but it will reduce thermal conductivity.
Is it really necessary to cool the NAND-Flash?
I recently bought a 970 EVO Plus 500GB and the only thing that is getting hot (over 70°C) is the controller,
the DRAM and the two flash chips don't seem to output much heat.
I've also heard that NAND-Flash likes it warm.
Just keep it under 60C, heat is not good for all electronic components. You'll never notice that extra boost if your NAND chips will be hot. Your SSD consists of a hole bunch of different components and they might not like the same temperature. And believe me all manufacturers would love to cheap out on the heat sink or thermal pad if it was possible.
With this method are you accounting for the pre-installed copper plate/pad on the bottom of the 970 pro? Did you remove it?
It seems that this pad is approximately .5mm thick on the bottom NAND side, which is why you applied .5mm to the top side, and 1mm to the top controller side; making the both sides equal 1mm.
I don't see people being specific about this, so your input would be greatly appreciated.
It has nothing to do with a preinstalled copper plate. The surface of that SSD is uneven, and you need either a super compressible thermal pad (which is very bad in heat conduction), or you need to use several thermal pads of different thicknesses to level that surface. Samsung also made an SSD with heatsink, and they basically did what I showed in the video. They even went further and made different pads for small chips. You can see it here: i.ibb.co/10HwmmQ/980PRO.jpg
Thank you for the tutorial!
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just a question... why didn't you peel off the foil manufacturer sticker off? Supposedly they act as a sort of heat spreader so the controller which is hot and you want to cool sheds more heat to the nand which you'd want cooler... granted in this application it's enclosed in a laptop so it probably wouldn't matter that much, but it makes me wonder if you'd get slightly better results with it removed
Removing the label will void the warranty and it doesn't make any real difference in cooling your SSD.
thank you for useful video, i try this and bought cooler master thermal pads for my precision 5570, conductivity is 12 w/mc . i bought samsung 990 pro 1TB and gigabyte 2500E 1TB. i checked thermal sensors, IC controller temperature for samsung in above 76 C during "software crystal disk mark" check. so is it high or normal? my NVME read speed is 5500 not 7450 for 990 pro. i guess controller reduce speed for decreasing temperature. i check heat sink but i cannot check visually for heat sink contact to the thermal pad. do you have any solutions for checking thermal pad contact to heat sink? how? other question, i install 990 pro on SSD2 slot if i relocate samsung from SSD2 to SSD1 slot, it may be better to reduce 990 pro temp.?
It doesn't matter in which slot you put your SSD, both have the same PCIe Gen4 speeds and other specs. If you applied a 0.75-1mm pad on the controller and a 0.5mm pad on the NAND chips, then all your components are making proper contact with the heatsink. 76°C under heavy load I'd consider a borderline high temperature, but in real life, even when gaming, you won't reach those temperatures on a constant basis. Also, in my case, I deliberately used a Gen 4 SSD on a Gen 3 capable laptop to lower temps; in your case, to do the same trick, you'd need to use Gen 5 SSDs. Overall, just monitor the temperature for a couple of days doing your regular tasks, and if the temperature stays in the range of up to 59°C, I wouldn't worry about SSD overheating and thermal throttling.
Hey bro , i just found your video and it was extremely helpful thank u❤.. Quick question: what if i used the same thermal pads thickness that u used, but instead i cut it in the shape of the controller , dram size would it be better ? Or just using your way and saving my time?
I don't think it will male any difference but the thermal pad should always overlap the component it cooling.
Hi can you advice me on this, I have just installed a sata ssd in my laptop. This ssd lies on bottom left if I turn laptop upside down. So when I am using the laptop, the right palmrest gets uncomfortably hot when ssd is reading/writing although temps. are quite normal during use, around 45-46C. The issue is palmrest is made of aluminium so it feels hotter than it really is. Can I use thermal pad somehow to release the heat on the bottom instead of top ?
What's the model of your laptop?
u are legend mate, thanks for upload this video
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WOW that's genius. Thanks a lot brother 😀👍
Most welcome 😊
@Electronics&computers would this also work for the firecuda 530 2TB and what would yield the beat Temps, any suggestion of a good heatsink?
What's the model of your laptop or a desktop motherboard?
@@ElectronicsComputers it's for playstation 5 purposes
Can you please make a video for Samsung gen 3 vs gen 4 on dell xps 15 which has only gen 3 pic Express slot
I already have a video like that.
Do I NEED that heat sink shield? I have an 970 evo plus and I'm wondering if I should put the pads on it with or without that shield. I have an MSI gf65 thin.
There's no sense to apply a thermal pad without the heat sink.
Hello,
I have a WD Blue SN570 NVME SSD that I am placing into a Sabrent NVME Enclosure. The enclosure came with its own thermal pad applied to the bottom of the top cover/heat sink but, it doesn’t actually make proper contact with my SSD.. I have been thinking of replacing it but I have 2 problems:
Unlike your Samsung NVME the WD Blue seems to only have much fewer of those black controllers protruding from it ( 1 larger, 1 smaller,and 1 very small) and so I don’t actually know how to apply it.
I suspect I will need more than 1mm of thermal pad and it is hard to find adhesive ones in this range. How important is it that it adheres to the top cover/heatsink?
You can use 1mm pad if your heat sink supports that thickness. The link in the description.
Curious, I now have a 980 Pro 2TB and a 970 EVO Plus 2TB on my Asus B550-E Strix. Are the thickness for the thermal pads the same for my motherboard?
Yes, the same thermal pad thickness for both models, because they have the same size components.
Thanks for the guide. Going through the this now.
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Would you be able to tell me if the WD Blue SN570 needs a heat sink? I heard in another video that you don't need one, and the design of that SSD is weird so I don't know if I can use a heat sink on it.
Of course you can. And for that SSD you'll need only one 0.5mm pad.
so, for 990 2tb is it the same pad thickness as in this vid for 980?
Hi, I’m intend to get the TR-M.2 2280 heatsink. Do you think i still have to buy the 0.5 mm pad just for the NAND chip ?
You can use 1-1.5mm pad for the whole SSD with that heatsink. So no need to use two different pads.
Thank you for your video just a quick question, shouldn't the labels be removed on the Samsung SSD to be directly in contact with the thermal pad?
Don't remove that label. First of all it won't make a big difference. And secondly, it will void your warranty.
many thanks for your reply tomorrow i get my heatsink and install it this weekend. Thank you.
hello, if I don't remove the label, will the thermalpad become sticky and damage the label after a while?
@@opikbadig2711 It won't damage the label. It's not that sticky to damage anything it's just like a silicone pad.
I've actually ran the computational fluid dynamics (CFD) analysis and found that it is actually better if you cut the thermal pad even further such that EACH of the individual components that needs to be cooled, has is own thermal pad.
I'll have to check my data, but I think that I vaguely recall the delta being somewhere between 0.5-1.3 C, I think?
Not huge, in the overall grand scheme of things, but if you want the absolute best performance (measured as the lowest temperature), then having the individual thermal pads for the indivdiual components is the best way to go.
Totally agree with you.
Or how about a row of pin-fin heatsinks, each glued on to the local contour. Far more effective than a flat heatsink.
Wow what a great video thank you for help!
I'm glad I could help you!
this video is really well done! One question: I bought a 1tb pcie3 crucial SSD, I only use it occasionally to download some video games, moreover my poor connection can't even maximize its real power. Do you think I should still buy a cooler? Would the one in the video be fine too or is it just for Samsung SSDs?
If you don't overload your SSD with games, and some software that works with graphics, then your SSD will be fine. There's no need to use any cooling solutions in that case.
@@ElectronicsComputers Thanks so much for your reply, it brought a lot of interesting content, I thought I'd subscribe! Small clarification: What do you mean by game overload?
Does it help for evo 970 plus using in iMac 27" late 2015? which heat sink to use for 970 evo plus? Thanks
This universal heat sink should work for you: amzn.to/3cWE7Oc