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Window Pull in "Darken Mode" - In-depth & Expanded Tutorial -
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2017
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Here is an indebth look at the mysterious "Darken Mode" for perfect, quick and easy "Window Pulls"
Remember, Darken Mode is simply a concept, when you over expose something in Darken Mode it will not show up when masking in a darker exposure, this being the window view. As mentioned I point my flash directly at the window and usually I only need 1/4 or half power from a speedlight as I am pointing it directly at the area I want to over expose.
So hopefully this will help all of you that are still having a hard time with this technique..
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Disclaimer: as always there are many ways to do everything I do. And for this video there are certainly quality issues but as I always say, these tutorials are for the day to day real estate photographer and the focus is getting the information across.
Not only is this a great tut, but you also drink coffee and burp, which is some much needed comic relief from everyday work! You are a great teacher and a real person. No heavy lecturing, just good, useful info. Thanks and get those presets out so we can also go FULL BMUP!
You are very welcome, I am happy to help. BURP
Excellent video. You actually teach people what they need to know. I've watched other "tutorials" that clearly show how much the author knows, but they go so fast making it impossible to learn anything. Thanks for caring enough to share your knowledge.
Hi Rich! I appreciate that you are repeating yourself! Very helpful! You are the best ever!
That's what I do.. I find this can be very hard to follow so I like to be step by step and repeat..
WOW. window pull is a pain in the butt with manual masking. this is magic. Thank you very much Rich for your generosity in teaching.
Happy to help
thank you rich, you bring amazing value to RUclips,
Thanks, Rich. Really made this clear.
Thanks for the kind words
Thanks rich. Saved me again.
I’m so happy I could help you/save you,
What a great tutorial, thank you!
My pleasure, I am glad it helps.
Your lessons truly are invaluable and so much appreciated!
Thank you Rich Baum! You make it so easy to understand. Love your tutorials, they help me a lot.
Before any one jumps on an hours one on one coaching there are several other less wordy, jumpy tutorials that are a bit more clear and concise with their delivery of the information. Still, this video has good value.
Man, I don't know how many times I've watched this :)
How you doing Buddy..
Again Rich, thank you so much for your excellent video on doing a window pull from shooting to editing. You're the best.
Thanks Gene
been working on understanding this for 2 weeks, Wham, gotcha
Not sure if this is possible in anything outside of Gimp. And the window frame around it... This must be a flash shot, right, it won't work with the Ambient?
The thing is that it requires that you balance the levels/curves of your layers so that the window frame in the flash-shot is about as bright as the shot where the outside light is blown out with brightness.
Thanks for your reply.. with my schedule if you need more help we need to set up an coaching session. If this interests you just send me an e mail to rich@richbaum.com
And put “Coaching Info “ in the subject line.
Rich! Thank you. I appreciate this insight. Such a time saver! Cheers from Texas!
Best method I have used so far. Thanks Rich!!
Rich, thank you for the countless tutorials you shared here on RUclips! I just purchased SpiderHolster SpiderPro Hand Strap at Adorama.
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Quicktime allows you to easily select a portion of the screen to record. That way Im not so anxious knowing you have 82 messages waiting to be read while you do this amazing turtorial!
This one is perfect! Thanks
Thanks
Thanks Rich. I've found that when flashing the windows you want to use the absolute minimum power possible. This is to reduce any reflections or shadows out the window. Additionally, this may work best by avoiding ETTR for window pulls. So you can take the lower power flash, boost the exposure in post to bring the window up. But at the same time bringing up the exposure of the areas around the window. (replicating a more powerful flash.)
thanks for all the good info
Your welcome
Thank you Rich for explaining this technic including details e.g. where to switch into darken mode. Very helpful. Greetings from Munich, Germany
Glad it was helpful! It's a wonderful technique and so vary easy once you get it down.
Thanks much for better idea in window detail ...I want flat image stitch editing video
Im curious as to why you flatten your images in photoshop. If something happens and you need to go back and change something, you can't. What I like to do is hit Command + Option + Shift + E (or create the action) and what that does is take all the layers beneath and give you a flattened image without sacrificing all that masking you worked hard on. Just a suggestion. Also thank you so much for teaching darken mode, i use to all the time now!
Many thanks for the tip Jared ! You convinced me using this technique instead of the "normal" one.
Jared, you are correct and I should teach that way.. I will work on that.
I believe there are multiple schools of thought on this. I get why you do what you do but for me I like to just do something and commit to the edit once I'm happy. I have more photos and shoots to work on today and by tomorrow I probably won't ever have another thought about that image because I have another day full of photos and editing. Changing over to this line of thining at first was difficult but then I realized it was just about having confidence in the work was producing.
Rich...you're awesome. Seriously really great videos...well done. This one made me wonder if you ever have or thought of doing one of these window pull videos dealing with blinds or plantation shutters. The whole 'darken mode' trick doesn't work as well with those
Kaunis, I do offer one on one coaching if this is something you might be
interested in. We are also putting on 3 day intensive workshops so there
are options for learning. Feel free to send me an e mail to rich@richbaum.com and check out this link to the workshops
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Thank you for demystifying so much here, especially layers.
Good job Rich. May I ask why this doesn't work when using an underexposed image for the window pull? I was missing the step about flashing against the window, which I will correct. Driving myself crazy with the laso!!! lmao. **I think I see why now.. You overexpose the windows to give photoshop an outline. I will try this tomorrow.
You need to do everything properly.. I can offer One on One coaching.. send me an e mail rich@richbaum.com
thank you for the great videos! to show thanks, i used your adorama link to purchase a new lens today :) You're awesome!
Thank you so very much.. And please join my Facebook Group that will go with this Channel: facebook.com/groups/1462821257117686/
Rich, I've tried just placing flash under ambient and then adjusting the opacity and the flash evenly comes through on the ambient pic.
Stumbled on it, maybe its just too easy but another alternative.
Many ways so do the same thing.. if it works for you than go for it.
Thanks again Rich for the great video instruction...
You are very welcome, I am happy to help.
Great stuff. Many thanks!
thank you Rich! This is very helpful! Greetings from Bavaria, Germany
I lived in Munchen for 2 years long time ago, I worked at Bavaria Film Studio and I loved it.. Loved the food too..
Great info. I'm trying to work my way into real estate and interior design photography from landscapes and fine art. Very useful information!
Happy to help Rob,
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You.are.the.best!
My question is what happens when the window frames are dark like wood frames not every window has white frames darken mode doesn’t really work what do you suggest?
it will work but it can be tricks and you might need extra power.
This is gold guys!
Hi Rich, I've just started watching your great vids, probably missed where you dealt with this question, but how are you maintaining a consistent white balance between your ambient and flash layers?
I just use AWB and adjust in processing
Rich, I it occurred to me one evening while watching one of your videos that: One could imagine that in layers there are two light sources; one from the bottom up, the other from the top down. Ergo, the bottom layer is always illuminated because the light comes from the bottom; but the layer with a mask is not visible until parts of the mask (which is blocking the top light) is erased. Make sense?
Ed, I just don't know about your idea / theory.. As this is an interesting idea I would welcome an e mail with you and include your number and I would be happy to talk about your idea.. my e mail is rich@richbaum.com
hi rich i have a problem when i use the darken mode ...the effekt is also out of the window what do i wrong?
It's hard for me to help unless we went through this together. We can set up a coaching session if thats something you would like to do.. if so send me an e mail to rich@richbaum.com
Rich do you have any tips for minimizing flash causing the windows themselves to bloom a bit when trying to do a Window pull? You seem to do it so effortlessly with having almost no flash reflection or bloom in the window but I'm having some difficulty shooting flash direct, from the side, and bouncing it off the ceiling. I've been shooting at 100-320iso around f8 adjusting my shutter speed for the proper exposure for what's outside and then I'll flash in 1/4, 1/2 or full power and I can't seem to avoid the windows getting glare, haze, or reflections. Any lower flash power isn't enough to really use darken mode. I'm using an sb800 too.
I would like to know more details about the flash angles as well. I sometimes get so many flash reflections that I have to do a non-flash "repair" shot to make sure that I have an image with no flash reflections.
You need to experiment with power and angle of flash. Sometimes I need to do several flash pops to get what I need..
+Rich Baum thanks Rich!
Rich, thanks heaps, think I have conquered this now. Yikes was it confusing at the start. Even extended the concept with the "lighten" blend mode to lighten a dark ceiling and get rid of a horrible green colour cast from a pool table top. I thought if darken could work then why not. No selection needed, just brushed the new ceiling in ... I feel god awful powerful right now :)
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Cheers from Aussie.
Hello, can you achieve this withOUT using Lightroom? I insert my images through Bridge/Camera Raw. I am not clear on how to get these layers together and achieve this without the brush painting all over the wall when I try to use darken. Please help me clear this up. Thanks
You need to use flash to achieve this and Photoshop
I offer One on One private coaching via SKYPE
that can really help get you up to speed.. If your interested please
send me an e mail with "Coaching Info" in the subject line to
rich@richbaum.com and I will get back to you.
If you shot an apartment where the lounge room wall was basically one big window - all glass - how would you deal with it?
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Very helpful -Thanks!
New subscriber, love it so far! what do you charge to do a home like this?
Wouldn't you like to know Ace...
Do you charge according to the square footage or $x/a certain number of photos, e.g. $300 for 20 photos?
I would like to know "how" to charge for a home like this? I live in florida and do lots of waterfront properties with window pulls all over! do you up charge for window pull or sky replacement?
No charge, it's part of your base service..
I am confused about the correct exposure on the windows. My brain is telling me to set exposure for the exterior, through the windows, thereby leaving the interior very dark. If I use a flash, the exterior view through the window is lost. What am I not understanding?
You need to understand the concept... it's actually very easy. If you would like I offer private One on One coaching where I could help you with this technique and I am sure you would be totally proficient at Window Pulls in one hour, If your interested please send me an e mail to rich@richbaum.com
Curious as to when using a layer mask, you use erase to correct something rather than painting back with white.
There are many ways to do everything, Sometimes I do one thing and then sometimes another.. it's all good.
After my posting and rerunning some of your video, I realized you were using the term erase when you were painting back with white. I stand corrected.
Thanks for putting up with me LOL... I am not perfect..
When I do a window pull I often get flash glare in the window, what are you doing differently?
I just have lots of experience and you will too.. One thing you can also do is to take a window shot with no lights on so you can mask out the flash reflections.
Rich, Your videos are really helpful. I just want to learn one thing about Window Pull. What Camera mode do you shoot Window Pull Aperture or Manual? And when you shoot for Window Pull, do you Overexpose the Windows or Wall.
Always shoot everything in Manual mode.. I only shoot exteriors in Aperture Mode.
You expose for the view and flash everything you don't want to mask in (window frame, furniture, shutters ect) so that part is brighter.. so in darken mode anything slightly over exposed will not be masked in..
If you need further help I offer private One on One coaching which can really help. If this interests you just send me an e mail rich@richbaum.com.
Rich Baum, Thank you! Really appreciate your help.
Thank you so much for your instructions. This will help me a lot on a shoot tomorrow. I have a question, when you shoot at the window, do you try not to aim the flash at the glass to avoid the flash glare on the glass?
directly at glass
When I try to do this...many times I get a lot of glare from the widows. Have not discovered yet the trick to avoid flash reflections on the glass. Have you?
Off topic a bit, but I would like to know approximately how long it takes you to shoot an average 3 bed 2 bath home? I have been using your process for quite a few homes and it is working great (thank you, thank you), but it is a very slow process taking the ambient, flash and window pulls. I also usually take a non-flash shot at the same exposure as the window pull so I can fill in reflections if needed. The number of shots per shot can really add up. I use the Sony Play Memories app.
akdj11 takes me about an hour or hour and a half I think.
Yes, this is the challenge. To do properly and with all techniques shown here, it takes me about 2 hrs to do a 4,000 sq ft house. Then , editing , it is also labor intensive.
Thank you so much for all of your great videos! I'm wondering why I can't just speed up the shutter speed on the window shots instead of using a flash? Also, I still get confused when I try to layer more than two pics at once in photoshop. How do I know which one to put on top etc? I realize that's a basic layers/masking question. Do you have a tutorial for layers for beginners?
Penny, thanks for your comment, I can help you fully understand these techniques but we would need to set up a private coaching session.. If your interested send me an e mail rich@richbaum.com
Window pulls on top
then ambient
then flash
Or you could switch Ambient and flash between bottom positions
Hi Rich, I've tried using your darken mode technique but as soon as I select darken mode it pulls the dark image through from the back to the front. I'm new to photoshop so maybe I'm missing something? Thanks
Ben, you need to make sure you are using a flash to over expose the window frame and anything you don't want masked it.. Without flash it won't work.
I suggest you might want to think about one on one coaching if you would like to learn more about
window pulls or anything I teach. If this interests you please send me an e mail
to rich@richbaum.com with "Coaching Inquire" in the subject line and I will get right back to you.
Hey Rich. I was wondering what you do in the event that you have a real estate client that wants new construction photography. I have an agent that is looking for some photography of a couple listings that are currently in various stages of construction.
Thank you.
Shoot it for goodness sake.. But you need to charge differently.. If you need further help with pricing I do One on One coaching via SKYPE.. If interested send me an e mail rich@richbaum.com
Rich, on your Streaklight 360, do you use any kind of attachment or diffuser for doing window pulls? It seems to me that you would want to minimize the light spreading around the room so it doesn't create more reflections. In this video, I see you pointing a small flash, making it very directional. However, I'd like to avoid carrying a second flash in addition to my own Streaklight 360 so I want to know what you would suggest for making the Streaklight more directional.
Window pulls are easy, no special attachments needed. I usually use a speedlight
My SL 360 always has the reflector on it with no diffusion.. Works great
What do you resize photos for MLS? I'm in AZ.
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Rich or one might know this question. When I do a window pull and work on it in Photoshop sometimes my view out of the window is not perfect but in my darken picture I took it was. Also sometimes when I paint the window in it has a yellow tint to it ???? I assume this is something to do with the flash??? Any Ideas Rich or someone this is driving me nuts!!!!!!!
Thanks Bob
Bob, that's a hard one to answer.. if you send me an e mail I can try and get back to you and better understand the question. Just put "RUclips Question" in the Subject line
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Hey Rich! Hello from Auburn CA!
First, love your videos. Thank you so much.
When I use darken mode it makes everything dark, not just the windows. I followed step by step and have my layers set up just like you did and I'm on the mask layer.
Do you think it might be because my flash isn't bright enough? It's driving me crazy!
Thanks.
It's most likely because your not doing the technique right.. you don't need anything more than a speedlight.
Yep, I messed around and realized I wasn't over-exposing enough. I pointed the flash directly at the window and it worked great! Thanks!
I noticed you are working in .jpg, do you shoot in .jpg or raw?
Glen, for Real Estate and most other types of photography I shoot in RAW but sometimes for speeding up my videos I will edit JPEGS
I always recommend shooting in RAW so you have a better chance of recovering blown highlights and shadows..
Rich Baum Got it, thanks for the reply, love your videos
Hey Rich! LOVE your videos..quick question..now and then When I edit my widow pulls, the result seems too dark or a little blueish. Is that due to not enough flash over exposing?
Hard to answer, but I suggest you just adjust your colors. I use Auto White Balance and I shoot in RAW so I have no issues adjusting colors.
I was shooting consistently dark photos even when I had my speedlite at the max. It finally dawned on me that the batteries needed replacing... problem solved.
Rich please just a quick question. If you have a large room like this or a room with lots of window pulls can you just use a Rove light or other large flash and bounce off the ceiling to overexpose multiple windows at the same time for your window pull???
I'm trying to do multiple pulls at the same time in large rooms as a basic speed light does not have the power.
Thank you for responding
It depends on the rooms and windows, sometimes one flash POP is enough but some big rooms with many windows I need to do multiple flash pops.. it just depends.
Thanks Rich
Hey, I'm about to order the evolve200 and was wondering which company u get credit with and what code to use.
Thanks so much
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Can I buy all your actions that you already preset?
Next year I will be putting together my actions plus many more along with a full video... look for it mid 2019
How much are you charging to justify the time spent on these window pulls?
Let's just say it works for me.. remember, set your quality to what you want to do in the future.. to me it's not all about being quick, it's more about being the best..
Ugh. Some markets will only bear so much... I miss Malibu...
Im new to real estate photography. What budget flashes and trigger could you recommend to my sony a7?
Aleksi Ravelin I recommend Flashpoint lights
They make an R2 speedlight. The eVolv 200 is also great and I personally love the Streaklight 360.
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Thanks for the magic it was great idia for me
Window pull in darken mode is MAGIC (when it works LOL )
source files will be great to practice, too
Panoramic 360 instead of me providing source files I'd rather you do your own shots. How's that?
I am not the Great Rich Baum.
I am sure that someone has told you this before, but you sound like Donald Trump. 😂😂
I resent that comment LOL
@@RichBaum Oh am I glad that resented that comment. Thought I'd have to stop watching.
First!
i wish the coward who down votes all of these videos would show themselves.
builthatch I don't ever worry about it. I've received so much positive feedback I don't have time to notice the negative.
i get it Rich. that's the best path. but from viewer's perspective - i watch the vid and click like and it seems every time i mouse over that area to do that, i always see ONE dislike and it's pretty ridiculous. this is free content from someone who has obviously helped A LOT of people.