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Always fun to hear your thoughts on games near and dear to your heart. Your passion for these games always shine through even, or rather, especially when there is something you wish to critique in them. Would love to see more rankings on the Halo games, wether that be SP or MP.
I basically keep trying to improve chiron in forge. My version exploits the constraint and lack of visibility whilst attempting to retain halo's signature fast flow by funeling players into narrow rooms and corridors using a mixture of one and two way teleporters that share channels. The teleporters that link to weapon pickups play to that weapon's strengths i.e the teleporters chained to the sniper room funnel you into long corridors with waist high cover on the floors, walls, and celing, shotgun throws you into tiny knife-fight in phone booth situations, hardlight weapons give you blind corners to bank shots off, etc.
@rayquaza1245 don't worry I've been playing since 2004 and think it's next to unplayable on MCC due to the majority of players being very good at the game, I'm guessing most people love it because it was a lot less sweaty when it was just them and their friends split screening 20 years ago
@rayquaza1245 don't worry I've been playing since 2004 and think it's next to unplayable on MCC due to the majority of players being very good at the game, I'm guessing most people love it because it was a lot less sweaty when it was just them and their friends split screening 20 years ago
This is a really good video. ^^ Gives a great idea how well these games flow with how their maps are designed to help compliment that, and having these maps evolve over the years. Gives me an appreciation with some of the maps, which adds to my fondesss to ones from CE's multiplayer.
Im surprised you picked sword base over Countdown, I never had a good time on Countdown except for Infection. Sword Base at least feels like you won't die the second you spawn if you spawn at the bottom.
Have you considered giving Infinite another go? It's honestly in a pretty solid place now, Season 4 has been great. Like you said, they brought back 8v8. I think that should at least be worth a look. Even BTB has had marginal improvements, though the maps are still ass except for Oasis.
I'd say most BTB maps are so-so, although Oasis is undeniably amazing and the clear winner. 343 needs to get the guy who designed that to make more official BTB maps like, forever.
"Dude, you really need to..." Chill Out is one of my favorites too - I love the way it plays and it's just a really pretty map in general. It's also in Halo 5 as part of the Super Fiesta playlist and playing it there is some of the most fun I've ever had playing Halo. What I always loved about Halo is that the customization is so expansive that you could make a fun experience out of otherwise frustrating maps like Chiron and others.
I spent so much time in Forge World. I stopped playing before the last map pack but my greatest joy was some of the people I met doing Forge. Even got a couple maps into the remake Playlist.
I did not care for Forge World and it's not because it's bad at all. It's because by the end of Halo: Reach's life I was absolutely sick of constantly seeing it in matchmaking
Chill Out is probably my Halo map too. Like you said, it plays so well. But another reason why it's great is because of its atmosphere. I don't know why, but there's something about the mood of CE's maps that makes it stand out from the rest of the series. Cold Storage definitely didn't feel the same as Chill Out, both in flow and atmosphere.
17:54 I think I figured out WHY it's so vertical, they added a Jetpack and needed a map to use it on in multiplayer that WASN'T a BTB map. Seriously, that _could very well be why_ it's so damn vertical, there's bridges and balconies basically everywhere for players with the Jetpack to go to and flank from (even if said flanks don't fucking work), it's the most likely reason why they made it.
I *love* chiron. Thank you for bringing it up. It's my favorite FFA map in the entire franchise, because it's chaotic and fun. But it also segments players apart so you have several little 1v1 duels happening in their own little arenas. You should have just picked Isolation as the worst 4v4 map. Standoff shouldn't be categorized as 4v4. Also I love standoff, it's name was so perfect since most of the match is players in the rocks using their BRs to keep eachother from getting laser and advancing.
You should pick back up infinite. Launch site is no longer in the playlist for every other game mode and pretty much only shows up for one flag ctf, which how often do you play that? Behemoth also is cut from a lot of stuff save for infection, where the maps are modified like reach, or some social game modes, where the gamemode trumps the bad conventional map design like in Cairo. Honestly the game is in a really good spot right now and I feel like youre making criticisms that have already been addressed. It took a while, but infinite is doing an mcc.
1:45 Fair enough, it's just a big room with two levels. 2:00 Yeah I can see how the Spawn System and that would make this a your pick for worst map. 2:09 Okay I see where this is going, if one team or player gets the High Ground it's pretty much over. 2:44 I keep confusing Desolation for Warlock for some reason... 3:08 Its Reach remake is also fun. 3:12 The Old Standby, here is where Legacies for Halo were made. 3:23 It's TOO damn big, not much to say about it other than that. 3:31 It's gigantic and consists of only bridges to fight on, it's a bit too dark, whoever controls the Banshees and Snipers may as well have already won, and to top it all off it's got a pretty stupid name. 3:54 It's a bit confusing but if you've never played it every teleport is going to be an Experience. 4:20 It's Iconic but I can see how it's terrible.
100% agree with everything you said about CE's maps. I love Chill Out. It's just an extremely well designed, and fun arena map with a nice flow to it. It's also the map I played when I got my first ever Perfection in a Halo game, so there might be some bias as well, but even before that, I enjoyed this map a ton. Derelict is awful for all the reasons you stated. I'm still not a big fan of the Halo 2 version, but it is a lot better. Blood Gulch can be a lot of fun, though it can be a bit annoying at times with CE's spawn system. Not a lot to say on Gephyrophobia cause I rarely ever get matches on it in MCC. Also THANK YOU for talking about Hang 'em High. That map seriously sucks, yet it keeps coming back, and I have no idea why. It's not fun. The middle of that map may as well be a giant bottomless pit or something. For Halo 2, while I'd probably also pick Lockout too, I think Halo 2's map selection is so good that there's a lot of other options for best arena map. Midship and Sanctuary are the 2 other arena maps that immediately come to mind. I actually like Colossus and I don't really know why. I think it's just a fun idea for a map with all the conveyor belts move exploding containers throughout it. It's pretty fun for Fiesta for what it's worth. I was actually gonna say that I think Ascension is H2's worst arena map, but then I remembered Uplift exists. I haven't played many matches on it, but I hate it everytime I play it. I adore Headlong. It's a shame it only got remade in Reach to my knowledge (though maybe Halo 5 had a forge remake of it in matchmaking, idk). Haven't played much District, but yeah, it's pretty boring. Turf is sick, I agree. Really glad the remake from Halo Online got ported over to Halo 3. Again, yeah I agree with the Guardian pick, though just like with Halo 2, I think there's some strong competition in Halo 3's map pool, with The Pit and Narrows being really great original maps. I used to like Standoff, but yeah, it's not very good. To me it's weird, cause it feels a bit too big for 4v4, but too small for 8v8. In vanilla H3, Social Slayer was a 5v5 playlist, so maybe that's why I enjoyed it more back in the day, cause it was made for a slightly bigger player count than 4v4. I would actually say my pick for worst H3 arena map is Orbital though. It's just narrow lanes with some crates thrown in for cover. The mongooses are a cute addition, but I've just never liked playing on it. Avalanche is fun, but I wouldn't pick it as my favorite BTB map from 3. That'd be Sandtrap. The Elephants are cool, there's a ton of room for vehicles, it's just a damn good map. Valhalla is a close second though. Lol with Standoff also being the worst BTB map. I still really adore Cold Storage. Yeah, there's better arena maps in the game, but it's still a ton of fun to play. If anything, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Blackout, as a lot of players tend to not like it nearly as much as it's H2 counterpart. Reach I feel is when the map design started to fall off a bit in the series. Zealot is ok, but I feel like most people just run around in a circle on it, and it's kinda boring because of that. I'm trying to think of what my favorite would actually be if we're not counting forge maps. If we are, then The Cage, but if not, I guess either Reflection, Anchor 9, or Countdown. 100% agree with your worst map pick, Sword Base fucking sucks. Honestly, you could probably improve the map by blocking off the lift and the lift room, but even then I don't think it'd be that good. It's like Boarding Action, but worse. Yeah Ridgeline is probably the best. I personally really enjoy The Spire, but even I can admit it has it's issues. Breakpoint is pretty mid, but I think Boneyard is even worse. Like, half of that map goes unused in regular BTB, and unlike Spire which has a lot of area that goes unused in regular BTB, the areas of the map people actually play on isn't very interesting. Forge World is dope, and I hope it comes back someday. Yeah, Haven's dope. Complex is so bad, but that's probably due to the mechanics of H4 rather than the map design itself. I feel like if you dropped Complex into one of the original trilogy games, aside from it's size, it'd probably be serviceable. Maybe just throw in some vehicles, and convert it to a BTB map or something, idk. Exile is a ton of fun, and I'm glad it's in Infinite's Squad Battle playlist. Gonna be honest, I forgot Vortex existed lol. There's a couple of other maps like that in H4 for me, like there's a BTB map in a city area that was kinda mid, and there was a map with ship wreckage that also kinda sucked. Idk, there's like 3 or 4 BTB maps in H4 that I like, and the rest are just really forgettable to me. Gotta be honest, I don't care enough about H2A to write anything for it lol. All of H5's maps just kinda melt together for me in my mind. Plaza is ok, I guess. I'd probably go with the Haven remake over it though. The Rig is alright. The remix of it with the lava is a bit more interesting though. I'd probably go with Truth or Regret as my least fav. It's Midship, but they made it actually mid, it sucks. Also yeah Warzone sucks, I agree. Finally on Infinite. I think of those 3 maps you listed, I think I like Recharge best, followed by Streets, and then Live Fire. 99% of Infinite's maps being 3 lanes makes it pretty tricky to judge between the best and worst. It might be recency bias, but I think I'd go with one of the season 5 arena maps as the best (which I know wasn't out yet when you made this). Forbidden is a beautiful map with some fun ranged engagements, and Prism is a dope location for a Halo map, and it's just a lot of fun with the tunnelways, the blamite crystals, and the variant Needler as the map's power weapon. I will not stand for Launch Site slander. I actually really enjoyed this map. It's got good ranged gunfights, vehicles, and fusion coils (which was lacking from a ton of Infinite's maps for a while). Plus, it's easily the best map for one flag matches (at least until the Zanzibar remake was added to Squad Battle, and High Ground was added in the H3 playlist). It's also great for Fiesta, since random vehicles will spawn from the vehicle pads. The chaos that unfolds from a Scorpion or Wraith spawning in is great. Behemoth is for sure a victim of Infinite's sandbox. Precision weapons are lasers, so with so much open space, you don't really have a way to defend yourself from anywhere. Another map that I feel would've worked really well if it was in the original trilogy. 100% agree with Infinite's standard BTB; it sucks ass. Absolutely none of it's maps are good. I know Oasis seems to be a fan favorite, but even that sucks. I would recommend checking out Infinite again to play Squad Battle. You might occasionally get some bullshit like an enemy Wasp spawn killing your team, but for the most part it's a ton of fun, easily the best playlist in Infinite right now. Really hope they add more maps to it. Overall, really good list. Apologizes if you actually read this entire comment, but I love discussions about Halo MP.
Coming back to this I have to say if Halo 5 were to come to MCC it should be free to anyone who has played it, the REQ weapons and vehicles should be made infinite and everything should be unlocked by default, and we should be able to use our Reach or Halo 4 armor if we so desired.
Itll be interesting to see what videos come before the first place entry, Halo 2 Lockout. Im predicting it now. Edit: Just finished the video and I can agree with Chill Out taking the w. It has those beautiful purples and pinks while being much more playable than "Damnation," which I hate
You're not missing out anything by ignoring the new Halo Infinite maps because they're all just the same maps from older Halo games but made in Forge, and maps inspired by older maps (The new original map, Dredge, is literally just Countdown from Reach, design wise)
Yes, Halo 5's MP was great! I was surprised how much I liked it considering 4's MP was meh to me. Honestly, they should port 5's MP to PC and leave the campaign to rot, noone will miss it.
I actually had quite a bit of fun with Halo 5 campaign, while it was awful story wise, gameplay wise it was pretty good, all the missions in Sanghelios were amazing (especially that one with the Kraken), and overall it had some high points. I would even go as far as saying that it is a far more fun campaign to play through than Halo 4
Sword Base is a map that's so bad, it's good. Change my mind. It's objectively terrible and I love it, I wanna hold up in the lift room with my homies lmao
5:00 Ugh, this map... 5:20 Coagulation? 5:22 Ah, so not Blood Gulch 2: Blood Gulch Harder, thank God. 5:40 I have to say, this is map has it all. 5:48 It's a "Meh" BTB map, not great but it's not terrible. 6:08 Good choice, it's certainly fun. 6:54 It's a staple of the game, even if some of us find it a bit boring to get matches on this map so often. 7:08 I hate that every single Objective Halo 3 game I get in MCC is on Standoff. I am TIRED of Standoff, why can't I just get something that isn't it or Longshore? We NEED the ability to Veto maps again, I am TIRED OF PLAYING ONLY STANDOFF AND LONGSHORE! 7:23 DMR spawns would improve this map, wouldn't it? Shame we don't have DMRs in Halo 3... 7:47 Oh good, you've brought up how easy it is for one team to just lock the other down with a single Power Weapon. 7:58 A good pick, honestly Avalanche is very fun in BTB Heavies. 8:19 *Cough* Standoff *Cough* 3:38 Oh God yes it is, let's give it up for Standoff taking the crown of Worst Map in Halo 3. 8:45 Can we PLEASE HAVE THIS MAP REMOVED FROM ROTATION OR GET A VETO BUTTON!? It's always this map whenever I play BTB, once in a Blue Moon I get Avalanche or Sandtrap, maybe Sandbox, but most of the time it's Standoff and Longshore and I hate despise them. 8:58 It's slightly off, somehow, like a piece is missing or wasn't put in right. 9:16 This map brings back memories of playing Infection... Alongside Sword Base. 9:39 It Just Works, it's pure Halo and I love it. 9:55 Probably Infection, actually that's probably EXACTLY why people like this map so much... 10:04 They really do, which is why throwing grenades through the door and up the lift like a platoon of Marines tasked with breaching a building isn't just acceptable but is the recommended strategy. 10:18 Honestly, yeah it's great. This deserves to be ranked Best BTB map, Blood Gulch With a Vengeance (Hemorrhage) may be fun and Spire makes for some interesting plays but this map really keeps it simple and fun. 10:55 Fair enough, it's my least favorite too and I don't think it's actually a lot of people's favorite anyway. Most of Reach's BTB maps are good, not great but none of them are that bad. 11:02 It really is awesome... 11:06 Do it, there's some really bad maps in the rotation and some really good ones on Forge World. 11:17 I have SO many memories of games played on so many maps on Forge World. 11:21 It's just Halo flavored Call of Duty with the Kill Streaks replaced with Item Drops. 11:24 They're really not, they're pretty good maps. 11:33 Fair enough, it is a fast paced and fun map, it's not too big, there's plenty of waves to traverse it, and it's got plenty of cover too. 11:45 Once again, fair enough. 12:07 BTB really does play better in 4 than most think it would. 12:26 It is Halo 4's Swiss Army Map, it's good for a little bit of everything. 12:53 I don't think I've actually played much SWAT in Halo 4... 13:01 The more things change the more they stay the same, the Best Map is still Lockout. Only this time it's technically the fourth or fifth remake of Lockout if you want to count Guardian, Halo Reach's planned Lockout Remake... Or the sixth if you want to include The Cage too. Ya know what this is getting messy, moving on why didn't you mention Blackout for Halo 3? 13:13 Pinnacle is the best version of Ascension, change my mind. 14:06 It's Haven 2, isn't it? 14:10 Huh, so it's not. 14:29 They're all so... "Meh" but they don't play terribly or are just flat out bad. 14:48 Hey this map has one thing going for it, you can see another rig off in the distance get eaten by a giant sandworm. 15:03 I barely remember any maps from this game period. 15:31 The multiplayer was fun enough. 16:12 The first map I played was Streets and I got a Perfection on it for my first ever game in Halo Infinite. 17:35 Not a bad pick for best all time map, just gonna leave this here though since it belongs to the best map. _"Dude, you really need to..."_
There was a bunch of little changes that made blackout more annoying to play. For example all the beams in in the bottom middle that stopped you from walking up the walls.
Right there with you Sword Base and Ascension suck, though since I mainly play FFA they aren't as bad. For Infinite, Chasm is easily the worst for me also sangheili gang
Fine, about Sword base, i think is maybe not good without jetpack. And Halo 4, did you mean 4v4 is not good enough, but big team battles is actually good?
from halo 1 to 4 including reach, all of maps were my favorite, Halo 5 and infinite most of the maps either bore me or pushes my blood pressure through the roof aka I never liked maps from halo 5 or infinite and no I don't count halo infinite forge maps
Solid picks. I like Damnation a tiny bit more than Chill Out, just so many fun tricks on that map, and Sanc and Heretic gotta be my favorites for H2 and H3. Suprised you're not a fan of sanc. Foundation is the worst map in the bungie games imo, it plays absolutely terribly.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon I can see that being fun, I've played snipers on it and it was decent. But even sword base is pretty fun for swat. Most of my games are slayer or CTF, so that's what I judge them by.
Damn, how can one be so based with these picks, and all the unpopular opinions are correct (I hate Ascencion with every fiber of my being, and specially in SWAT (WHY IS IT A MAP IN SWAT?), it's so obnoxious on any Halo MP and would rather get lobotomized to forget it ever existed to play on it ever again), would only suggest The Pit as the best 4v4 map on Halo 3, but Guardian is also top tier
i wish i could play halo 3 4v4 on mcc without playing construct. i genuinely get disgusted thinking about halo 3 4v4. curious if others also get that map 80% of the time.
Yes, bring halo 5 to mcc. The multiplayer is really fun, and I know everyone disagrees but the campaign is fun. It may have a convoluted story but at least it HAD a story unlike halo infinite. And halo 5 left things open ended enough anyway for a better sequel not to mention it didn’t kill any major characters off in a shitty way that made their entire character ark completely pointless “Cough! Cough! Cortana. Cough! Cough!” Anyway, halo 5’s campaign is also really fun for co-op. It would be great if when adding halo 5 to mcc, 343 makes it splitscreen finally
Hot take, I don't like the pit. I find it more frustrating than fun. With decent players, it's WAY too easy to play defense and snipers control way too much space. The game slows to a crawl and is just a camp fest.
@Jarekthegamingdragon snipers can be countered by battle rifles and grenades pretty easily if they try to camp at lift tower. Part of the appeal is the symmetry, so 1 sniper for each team. Rockets fair in the middle. Same with invis and overshield. Guardian has 1 sniper, and is much easier to dominate than pit because you watch s1, s2, s3 But yeah I've always thought power weapons were overpowered. Rockets should have 2 Rockets, sniper should have 4 bullets, sword should be at 50%, shotgun should have 7 shells, etc. But people love them too much so they get what they want
Halo 3's BR is too ass to effectively counter snipe lol. Snipe is stupid op on that map and ruins the whole flow for me. I either have snipe and the game is boring or they have snipe and the game is frustrating. There's very little else. The only part of the map I like is fighting for rockets in the back.
@Jarekthegamingdragon if you are at the corner where if I remember correctly, shotgun spawns, you can grab the 2 nearby plasma grenades and run towards the s3 (if that's where they are camping), bouncing frags on the long ramp and using BR to knock them out of zoom so you can close the gap. Then drop some plasma on one side of the cover and run around the other cover and take them out in close range. There's also a lift that can get you in close range but you should crouch walk to it. I'm an aggressive player, and was rank 50, and I don't remember the pit being a defensive map. You just gotta knock them out of scope with BR, not kill them, as you clear the gap
@@Kyle-nm1kh I've always been high rank in halo games. Hell, reached champion once in h5 swat. (I know it's swat but you get it) Good players are going to not let that work so easily. Descoping them still results in getting killed half the time any way. Snipe is just way too easy on a map with deceivingly few cqb encounters when played right. I like the push pull feeling of Halo's maps but the pit's power positions are just a bit *too* strong. Snipes are easily my least favorite thing in halo so I'm already biased against any map that has snipe as *the* main pick up.
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Could you also make a video on the best and worst campaign missions from every Halo game?
I can already guess that "The Silent Cartographer" will be number one.
My best would be HI open world if you count that as a level otherwise probably 2nd level from HCE. My worst is easily cortana from H3.
@@phongvu-ju5rm Oh, don't you remind me of Cortana.
@@phongvu-ju5rmwe don't count halo infinite
@@phongvu-ju5rm library is way worse
Reach Multiplayer be like:
"I have Armor Lock, you cannot possibly hurt me."
*"I COUNT SIX SECONDS, FUCKFACE"*
Always fun to hear your thoughts on games near and dear to your heart. Your passion for these games always shine through even, or rather, especially when there is something you wish to critique in them. Would love to see more rankings on the Halo games, wether that be SP or MP.
I basically keep trying to improve chiron in forge.
My version exploits the constraint and lack of visibility whilst attempting to retain halo's signature fast flow by funeling players into narrow rooms and corridors using a mixture of one and two way teleporters that share channels.
The teleporters that link to weapon pickups play to that weapon's strengths i.e the teleporters chained to the sniper room funnel you into long corridors with waist high cover on the floors, walls, and celing, shotgun throws you into tiny knife-fight in phone booth situations, hardlight weapons give you blind corners to bank shots off, etc.
Finally someone else who hates Hang em high, its ALWAYS instant death from the team with the high ground
As someone who didn't play CE until MCC, I always felt sacrilegious for not liking it.
@rayquaza1245 don't worry I've been playing since 2004 and think it's next to unplayable on MCC due to the majority of players being very good at the game, I'm guessing most people love it because it was a lot less sweaty when it was just them and their friends split screening 20 years ago
@rayquaza1245 don't worry I've been playing since 2004 and think it's next to unplayable on MCC due to the majority of players being very good at the game, I'm guessing most people love it because it was a lot less sweaty when it was just them and their friends split screening 20 years ago
I have to replay Halo right now
The only reason i don't see them bringing Halo 5 to MCC is how massive it is.
much rather have it be its own remaster than being together with mcc
Thankfully you can install campaigns and multiplayer separate so that problem would be alleviated a little bit.
This is a really good video. ^^ Gives a great idea how well these games flow with how their maps are designed to help compliment that, and having these maps evolve over the years.
Gives me an appreciation with some of the maps, which adds to my fondesss to ones from CE's multiplayer.
Im surprised you picked sword base over Countdown, I never had a good time on Countdown except for Infection. Sword Base at least feels like you won't die the second you spawn if you spawn at the bottom.
Countdown is actually one of reach's only good maps. Not great but good.
Isn't countdown remade on infinite as Dredge? It's a pretty fun map
Have you considered giving Infinite another go? It's honestly in a pretty solid place now, Season 4 has been great.
Like you said, they brought back 8v8. I think that should at least be worth a look.
Even BTB has had marginal improvements, though the maps are still ass except for Oasis.
I have 80 hours in infinite. I'm not a huge fan of the movement and game feel on top of all the other issues.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon fair enough
I'd say most BTB maps are so-so, although Oasis is undeniably amazing and the clear winner. 343 needs to get the guy who designed that to make more official BTB maps like, forever.
"Dude, you really need to..."
Chill Out is one of my favorites too - I love the way it plays and it's just a really pretty map in general. It's also in Halo 5 as part of the Super Fiesta playlist and playing it there is some of the most fun I've ever had playing Halo.
What I always loved about Halo is that the customization is so expansive that you could make a fun experience out of otherwise frustrating maps like Chiron and others.
Chill out played SO GOOD in Halo 5. I wish it came back again.
I spent so much time in Forge World. I stopped playing before the last map pack but my greatest joy was some of the people I met doing Forge. Even got a couple maps into the remake Playlist.
I did not care for Forge World and it's not because it's bad at all. It's because by the end of Halo: Reach's life I was absolutely sick of constantly seeing it in matchmaking
I love that Jarek plays as a Sangheili.
Sangheili Gang.
Sangheili master race
Chill Out is probably my Halo map too. Like you said, it plays so well. But another reason why it's great is because of its atmosphere. I don't know why, but there's something about the mood of CE's maps that makes it stand out from the rest of the series. Cold Storage definitely didn't feel the same as Chill Out, both in flow and atmosphere.
Based takes on Hang em High and Chiron
But a ridiculous take on Sandtrap considering it's the ultimate custom game map and he defended Chiron for that very reason.
17:54 I think I figured out WHY it's so vertical, they added a Jetpack and needed a map to use it on in multiplayer that WASN'T a BTB map. Seriously, that _could very well be why_ it's so damn vertical, there's bridges and balconies basically everywhere for players with the Jetpack to go to and flank from (even if said flanks don't fucking work), it's the most likely reason why they made it.
Me watching this video: "Hey! They filmed *Red vs Blue* there!"
I *love* chiron. Thank you for bringing it up. It's my favorite FFA map in the entire franchise, because it's chaotic and fun. But it also segments players apart so you have several little 1v1 duels happening in their own little arenas.
You should have just picked Isolation as the worst 4v4 map. Standoff shouldn't be categorized as 4v4. Also I love standoff, it's name was so perfect since most of the match is players in the rocks using their BRs to keep eachother from getting laser and advancing.
You should pick back up infinite. Launch site is no longer in the playlist for every other game mode and pretty much only shows up for one flag ctf, which how often do you play that? Behemoth also is cut from a lot of stuff save for infection, where the maps are modified like reach, or some social game modes, where the gamemode trumps the bad conventional map design like in Cairo. Honestly the game is in a really good spot right now and I feel like youre making criticisms that have already been addressed. It took a while, but infinite is doing an mcc.
Halo 5 has my third favourite mp mode. My first two are 3 and reach. Mainly since thay got me into halo multiplayer
"Keep in mind every Halo player is on some sort of a spectrum"
1:45 Fair enough, it's just a big room with two levels.
2:00 Yeah I can see how the Spawn System and that would make this a your pick for worst map.
2:09 Okay I see where this is going, if one team or player gets the High Ground it's pretty much over.
2:44 I keep confusing Desolation for Warlock for some reason...
3:08 Its Reach remake is also fun.
3:12 The Old Standby, here is where Legacies for Halo were made.
3:23 It's TOO damn big, not much to say about it other than that.
3:31 It's gigantic and consists of only bridges to fight on, it's a bit too dark, whoever controls the Banshees and Snipers may as well have already won, and to top it all off it's got a pretty stupid name.
3:54 It's a bit confusing but if you've never played it every teleport is going to be an Experience.
4:20 It's Iconic but I can see how it's terrible.
100% agree with everything you said about CE's maps. I love Chill Out. It's just an extremely well designed, and fun arena map with a nice flow to it. It's also the map I played when I got my first ever Perfection in a Halo game, so there might be some bias as well, but even before that, I enjoyed this map a ton. Derelict is awful for all the reasons you stated. I'm still not a big fan of the Halo 2 version, but it is a lot better. Blood Gulch can be a lot of fun, though it can be a bit annoying at times with CE's spawn system. Not a lot to say on Gephyrophobia cause I rarely ever get matches on it in MCC. Also THANK YOU for talking about Hang 'em High. That map seriously sucks, yet it keeps coming back, and I have no idea why. It's not fun. The middle of that map may as well be a giant bottomless pit or something.
For Halo 2, while I'd probably also pick Lockout too, I think Halo 2's map selection is so good that there's a lot of other options for best arena map. Midship and Sanctuary are the 2 other arena maps that immediately come to mind. I actually like Colossus and I don't really know why. I think it's just a fun idea for a map with all the conveyor belts move exploding containers throughout it. It's pretty fun for Fiesta for what it's worth. I was actually gonna say that I think Ascension is H2's worst arena map, but then I remembered Uplift exists. I haven't played many matches on it, but I hate it everytime I play it. I adore Headlong. It's a shame it only got remade in Reach to my knowledge (though maybe Halo 5 had a forge remake of it in matchmaking, idk). Haven't played much District, but yeah, it's pretty boring. Turf is sick, I agree. Really glad the remake from Halo Online got ported over to Halo 3.
Again, yeah I agree with the Guardian pick, though just like with Halo 2, I think there's some strong competition in Halo 3's map pool, with The Pit and Narrows being really great original maps. I used to like Standoff, but yeah, it's not very good. To me it's weird, cause it feels a bit too big for 4v4, but too small for 8v8. In vanilla H3, Social Slayer was a 5v5 playlist, so maybe that's why I enjoyed it more back in the day, cause it was made for a slightly bigger player count than 4v4. I would actually say my pick for worst H3 arena map is Orbital though. It's just narrow lanes with some crates thrown in for cover. The mongooses are a cute addition, but I've just never liked playing on it. Avalanche is fun, but I wouldn't pick it as my favorite BTB map from 3. That'd be Sandtrap. The Elephants are cool, there's a ton of room for vehicles, it's just a damn good map. Valhalla is a close second though. Lol with Standoff also being the worst BTB map. I still really adore Cold Storage. Yeah, there's better arena maps in the game, but it's still a ton of fun to play. If anything, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Blackout, as a lot of players tend to not like it nearly as much as it's H2 counterpart.
Reach I feel is when the map design started to fall off a bit in the series. Zealot is ok, but I feel like most people just run around in a circle on it, and it's kinda boring because of that. I'm trying to think of what my favorite would actually be if we're not counting forge maps. If we are, then The Cage, but if not, I guess either Reflection, Anchor 9, or Countdown. 100% agree with your worst map pick, Sword Base fucking sucks. Honestly, you could probably improve the map by blocking off the lift and the lift room, but even then I don't think it'd be that good. It's like Boarding Action, but worse. Yeah Ridgeline is probably the best. I personally really enjoy The Spire, but even I can admit it has it's issues. Breakpoint is pretty mid, but I think Boneyard is even worse. Like, half of that map goes unused in regular BTB, and unlike Spire which has a lot of area that goes unused in regular BTB, the areas of the map people actually play on isn't very interesting. Forge World is dope, and I hope it comes back someday.
Yeah, Haven's dope. Complex is so bad, but that's probably due to the mechanics of H4 rather than the map design itself. I feel like if you dropped Complex into one of the original trilogy games, aside from it's size, it'd probably be serviceable. Maybe just throw in some vehicles, and convert it to a BTB map or something, idk. Exile is a ton of fun, and I'm glad it's in Infinite's Squad Battle playlist. Gonna be honest, I forgot Vortex existed lol. There's a couple of other maps like that in H4 for me, like there's a BTB map in a city area that was kinda mid, and there was a map with ship wreckage that also kinda sucked. Idk, there's like 3 or 4 BTB maps in H4 that I like, and the rest are just really forgettable to me.
Gotta be honest, I don't care enough about H2A to write anything for it lol.
All of H5's maps just kinda melt together for me in my mind. Plaza is ok, I guess. I'd probably go with the Haven remake over it though. The Rig is alright. The remix of it with the lava is a bit more interesting though. I'd probably go with Truth or Regret as my least fav. It's Midship, but they made it actually mid, it sucks. Also yeah Warzone sucks, I agree.
Finally on Infinite. I think of those 3 maps you listed, I think I like Recharge best, followed by Streets, and then Live Fire. 99% of Infinite's maps being 3 lanes makes it pretty tricky to judge between the best and worst. It might be recency bias, but I think I'd go with one of the season 5 arena maps as the best (which I know wasn't out yet when you made this). Forbidden is a beautiful map with some fun ranged engagements, and Prism is a dope location for a Halo map, and it's just a lot of fun with the tunnelways, the blamite crystals, and the variant Needler as the map's power weapon. I will not stand for Launch Site slander. I actually really enjoyed this map. It's got good ranged gunfights, vehicles, and fusion coils (which was lacking from a ton of Infinite's maps for a while). Plus, it's easily the best map for one flag matches (at least until the Zanzibar remake was added to Squad Battle, and High Ground was added in the H3 playlist). It's also great for Fiesta, since random vehicles will spawn from the vehicle pads. The chaos that unfolds from a Scorpion or Wraith spawning in is great. Behemoth is for sure a victim of Infinite's sandbox. Precision weapons are lasers, so with so much open space, you don't really have a way to defend yourself from anywhere. Another map that I feel would've worked really well if it was in the original trilogy. 100% agree with Infinite's standard BTB; it sucks ass. Absolutely none of it's maps are good. I know Oasis seems to be a fan favorite, but even that sucks. I would recommend checking out Infinite again to play Squad Battle. You might occasionally get some bullshit like an enemy Wasp spawn killing your team, but for the most part it's a ton of fun, easily the best playlist in Infinite right now. Really hope they add more maps to it.
Overall, really good list. Apologizes if you actually read this entire comment, but I love discussions about Halo MP.
Thank you! I have always hated Sword base with a passion and never understood why people like it.
I liked sword base on Multi Team and Free For All. If there's just 2 teams then it sucks
Team snipers on Sandtrap *chef’s kiss*
One of my favorite halo reach maps was that saber launch facility.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Ghost of Lockout.
Because it doesn't exist
Coming back to this I have to say if Halo 5 were to come to MCC it should be free to anyone who has played it, the REQ weapons and vehicles should be made infinite and everything should be unlocked by default, and we should be able to use our Reach or Halo 4 armor if we so desired.
Hey, Jarek, would you consider ranking Custom Edition maps sometime?
Solid choices all round tbh. Can we get a selection of the best FFA maps?
My favourite Halo map is definitely Rat Race.
Super under rated map
Man I wish you would have given Infinite another chance for this video, Squad Battle is a lot of fun imo
I have 80 hours in infinite so I definitely gave it a fair chance
Itll be interesting to see what videos come before the first place entry, Halo 2 Lockout. Im predicting it now.
Edit:
Just finished the video and I can agree with Chill Out taking the w. It has those beautiful purples and pinks while being much more playable than "Damnation," which I hate
I kind of like Sword Base just from Dino Blasters, lol
Edit: thoughts on Ivory Tower since its been remade a lot since Halo 2?
It good. Not much more to say.
Thank you, I will never understand why people like Sword Base
What's the song used in this video?
I need to play Halos 1 & 2 again
we really need HALO 5 to be in HALO MCC. Then every HALO up till INFINITE can be accessed in ONE COLLECTION thru PC, Xbox & Game Pass !
You're not missing out anything by ignoring the new Halo Infinite maps because they're all just the same maps from older Halo games but made in Forge, and maps inspired by older maps (The new original map, Dredge, is literally just Countdown from Reach, design wise)
They're community made maps, not official ones
Back in my day i played Halo combat evolved
Colossal is fun in halo two if you play custom energy swords
Yes, Halo 5's MP was great! I was surprised how much I liked it considering 4's MP was meh to me. Honestly, they should port 5's MP to PC and leave the campaign to rot, noone will miss it.
Unpopular opinion, Halo's worst campaign is still league better than best CoD campaign.
I actually had quite a bit of fun with Halo 5 campaign, while it was awful story wise, gameplay wise it was pretty good, all the missions in Sanghelios were amazing (especially that one with the Kraken), and overall it had some high points. I would even go as far as saying that it is a far more fun campaign to play through than Halo 4
@@olivierrodriguesneto5995 I've never actually played H5 campaign. I don't have an xbox. They need to bring it to pc already.
I think YES
Lmfao, facts
@@brawler5760 NOPE
Infinite also makes me sad, because they struck gold with its gameplay, yet fumbled the bag so hard with everything else
Sword Base is a map that's so bad, it's good. Change my mind. It's objectively terrible and I love it, I wanna hold up in the lift room with my homies lmao
Always wondered why stand-off didn’t have sniper spawns. Would have made it much more fun imo
Eh, it needs more cover for that. It'd be really frustrating trying to fight against snipes with that br
I was told Standoff was intended to be a blank canvas for forge mode, before Foundry existed
@@Kyle-nm1kh that’s interesting
@@Jarekthegamingdragon I was a sniping fool back in the day so I’m a bit biased lol
@@Kyle-nm1khThat can't be true, as Standoff and Foundry both released at the same time as part of the Heroic Map Pack.
5:00 Ugh, this map...
5:20 Coagulation?
5:22 Ah, so not Blood Gulch 2: Blood Gulch Harder, thank God.
5:40 I have to say, this is map has it all.
5:48 It's a "Meh" BTB map, not great but it's not terrible.
6:08 Good choice, it's certainly fun.
6:54 It's a staple of the game, even if some of us find it a bit boring to get matches on this map so often.
7:08 I hate that every single Objective Halo 3 game I get in MCC is on Standoff. I am TIRED of Standoff, why can't I just get something that isn't it or Longshore? We NEED the ability to Veto maps again, I am TIRED OF PLAYING ONLY STANDOFF AND LONGSHORE!
7:23 DMR spawns would improve this map, wouldn't it? Shame we don't have DMRs in Halo 3...
7:47 Oh good, you've brought up how easy it is for one team to just lock the other down with a single Power Weapon.
7:58 A good pick, honestly Avalanche is very fun in BTB Heavies.
8:19 *Cough* Standoff *Cough*
3:38 Oh God yes it is, let's give it up for Standoff taking the crown of Worst Map in Halo 3.
8:45 Can we PLEASE HAVE THIS MAP REMOVED FROM ROTATION OR GET A VETO BUTTON!? It's always this map whenever I play BTB, once in a Blue Moon I get Avalanche or Sandtrap, maybe Sandbox, but most of the time it's Standoff and Longshore and I hate despise them.
8:58 It's slightly off, somehow, like a piece is missing or wasn't put in right.
9:16 This map brings back memories of playing Infection... Alongside Sword Base.
9:39 It Just Works, it's pure Halo and I love it.
9:55 Probably Infection, actually that's probably EXACTLY why people like this map so much...
10:04 They really do, which is why throwing grenades through the door and up the lift like a platoon of Marines tasked with breaching a building isn't just acceptable but is the recommended strategy.
10:18 Honestly, yeah it's great. This deserves to be ranked Best BTB map, Blood Gulch With a Vengeance (Hemorrhage) may be fun and Spire makes for some interesting plays but this map really keeps it simple and fun.
10:55 Fair enough, it's my least favorite too and I don't think it's actually a lot of people's favorite anyway. Most of Reach's BTB maps are good, not great but none of them are that bad.
11:02 It really is awesome...
11:06 Do it, there's some really bad maps in the rotation and some really good ones on Forge World.
11:17 I have SO many memories of games played on so many maps on Forge World.
11:21 It's just Halo flavored Call of Duty with the Kill Streaks replaced with Item Drops.
11:24 They're really not, they're pretty good maps.
11:33 Fair enough, it is a fast paced and fun map, it's not too big, there's plenty of waves to traverse it, and it's got plenty of cover too.
11:45 Once again, fair enough.
12:07 BTB really does play better in 4 than most think it would.
12:26 It is Halo 4's Swiss Army Map, it's good for a little bit of everything.
12:53 I don't think I've actually played much SWAT in Halo 4...
13:01 The more things change the more they stay the same, the Best Map is still Lockout. Only this time it's technically the fourth or fifth remake of Lockout if you want to count Guardian, Halo Reach's planned Lockout Remake... Or the sixth if you want to include The Cage too. Ya know what this is getting messy, moving on why didn't you mention Blackout for Halo 3?
13:13 Pinnacle is the best version of Ascension, change my mind.
14:06 It's Haven 2, isn't it?
14:10 Huh, so it's not.
14:29 They're all so... "Meh" but they don't play terribly or are just flat out bad.
14:48 Hey this map has one thing going for it, you can see another rig off in the distance get eaten by a giant sandworm.
15:03 I barely remember any maps from this game period.
15:31 The multiplayer was fun enough.
16:12 The first map I played was Streets and I got a Perfection on it for my first ever game in Halo Infinite.
17:35 Not a bad pick for best all time map, just gonna leave this here though since it belongs to the best map. _"Dude, you really need to..."_
There was a bunch of little changes that made blackout more annoying to play. For example all the beams in in the bottom middle that stopped you from walking up the walls.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon Understandable why it wasn't mentioned, then.
hang em high is truly painful the only CE map that makes me rage quit
Right there with you Sword Base and Ascension suck, though since I mainly play FFA they aren't as bad. For Infinite, Chasm is easily the worst for me
also sangheili gang
Fine, about Sword base, i think is maybe not good without jetpack. And Halo 4, did you mean 4v4 is not good enough, but big team battles is actually good?
Correct, 4v4 bad btb good in halo 4
@@Jarekthegamingdragon fine, what about forge in Halo 4?
I hate Halo 5, but I’d like it to be added to the MCC just so the entire series can be accessible on one platform
from halo 1 to 4 including reach, all of maps were my favorite, Halo 5 and infinite most of the maps either bore me or pushes my blood pressure through the roof aka I never liked maps from halo 5 or infinite and no I don't count halo infinite forge maps
Solid picks. I like Damnation a tiny bit more than Chill Out, just so many fun tricks on that map, and Sanc and Heretic gotta be my favorites for H2 and H3. Suprised you're not a fan of sanc.
Foundation is the worst map in the bungie games imo, it plays absolutely terribly.
Foundation is great for one reason alone, swat.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon I can see that being fun, I've played snipers on it and it was decent. But even sword base is pretty fun for swat. Most of my games are slayer or CTF, so that's what I judge them by.
Damn, how can one be so based with these picks, and all the unpopular opinions are correct (I hate Ascencion with every fiber of my being, and specially in SWAT (WHY IS IT A MAP IN SWAT?), it's so obnoxious on any Halo MP and would rather get lobotomized to forget it ever existed to play on it ever again), would only suggest The Pit as the best 4v4 map on Halo 3, but Guardian is also top tier
Normally I disagree on most of your takes but you are spitting nothing but facts in this video. Good taste sir.
i wish i could play halo 3 4v4 on mcc without playing construct. i genuinely get disgusted thinking about halo 3 4v4. curious if others also get that map 80% of the time.
Did they forge in ascension? Because ascension's not in halo 3.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon sorry, construct. lol. im so sick of that map i forgot its name.
@@khaosfaction Oh, yea fair
Yes, bring halo 5 to mcc. The multiplayer is really fun, and I know everyone disagrees but the campaign is fun. It may have a convoluted story but at least it HAD a story unlike halo infinite. And halo 5 left things open ended enough anyway for a better sequel not to mention it didn’t kill any major characters off in a shitty way that made their entire character ark completely pointless “Cough! Cough! Cortana. Cough! Cough!” Anyway, halo 5’s campaign is also really fun for co-op. It would be great if when adding halo 5 to mcc, 343 makes it splitscreen finally
Nah Halo Infinite has a story, and IMO it's really satisfying to play
Wdym Halo Infinite didn’t have a story? Was pretty clear what the story is and how much better it is than Halo 5.
I think the pit is better than guardian but i get it, everybody loves guardian
Hot take, I don't like the pit. I find it more frustrating than fun. With decent players, it's WAY too easy to play defense and snipers control way too much space. The game slows to a crawl and is just a camp fest.
@Jarekthegamingdragon snipers can be countered by battle rifles and grenades pretty easily if they try to camp at lift tower.
Part of the appeal is the symmetry, so 1 sniper for each team. Rockets fair in the middle. Same with invis and overshield.
Guardian has 1 sniper, and is much easier to dominate than pit because you watch s1, s2, s3
But yeah I've always thought power weapons were overpowered. Rockets should have 2 Rockets, sniper should have 4 bullets, sword should be at 50%, shotgun should have 7 shells, etc.
But people love them too much so they get what they want
Halo 3's BR is too ass to effectively counter snipe lol. Snipe is stupid op on that map and ruins the whole flow for me. I either have snipe and the game is boring or they have snipe and the game is frustrating. There's very little else. The only part of the map I like is fighting for rockets in the back.
@Jarekthegamingdragon if you are at the corner where if I remember correctly, shotgun spawns, you can grab the 2 nearby plasma grenades and run towards the s3 (if that's where they are camping), bouncing frags on the long ramp and using BR to knock them out of zoom so you can close the gap. Then drop some plasma on one side of the cover and run around the other cover and take them out in close range. There's also a lift that can get you in close range but you should crouch walk to it.
I'm an aggressive player, and was rank 50, and I don't remember the pit being a defensive map. You just gotta knock them out of scope with BR, not kill them, as you clear the gap
@@Kyle-nm1kh I've always been high rank in halo games. Hell, reached champion once in h5 swat. (I know it's swat but you get it)
Good players are going to not let that work so easily. Descoping them still results in getting killed half the time any way. Snipe is just way too easy on a map with deceivingly few cqb encounters when played right.
I like the push pull feeling of Halo's maps but the pit's power positions are just a bit *too* strong.
Snipes are easily my least favorite thing in halo so I'm already biased against any map that has snipe as *the* main pick up.
unpopular opinon: reach and halo 4 had the best progression systems
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion
a lot of the maps you dont like, are the ones i loved the most. but at the end of the day, were all HALO fans :)
I feel like i really dislike a bunch of the halo 3 maps. But i guess im a small minority who dislikes halo 3
Derelict is the absolute worst, yes. Death Island is probably my favourite though.
I still think boarding action is just the worst.
It's good for custom games so that saves it
Siema Jarek
Halo 5 MP > Halo 3 MP
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I mean, respectable opinion. H5 MP is really dang good.
horrible takes
How ?
Standoff and Sword base are way hated then loved nowadays
90% of this video are standard halo takes which means you have the horrible takes.
lockout is still the best halo map :)