True words! Coaching beginners in my club this drives me nuts sometimes. They always have to have new things without even getting used to their equipment.
This is why I have shot longbows and recurves for the past 44 years. All I need is a glove or a tab and the fingers do the work. No sights or any other gadgets to buy or get in the way, just pure brain power and muscle memory.
Back when I competed indoors, I shot everything and ended up with a 2 finger Stan back tension, which today everyone calls them hinge releases because they don’t use it right. Anyway..... I have owned so many different brands and today I LOVE the Hot Shot 3 finger. I remove the knurled knob, move that stuff in and slid a trigger rubber piece over the threads. I put my thumb behind the trigger to draw. Then I wrap my thumb around that stud, get settled, then try to touch my pinky and thumb together. This then sets it off without warning. Since my Stan days I CANNOT punch a release anymore. I shot that one release for 3 years though. Just like a rifle, you have to shoot it and shoot it to get used to it. This gentleman you are talking about needs to njj no ow to pick e beat one he thinks he needs, and this does not have to be the most expensive one, but shoot it for several months. I never traded releases. I just bought others to try. I have a collection. Most of them back tensions of different brands. Tru Ball, Stan, Zenith and now my favorite after 50 years of shooting is the cheaper Hot Shot. It works for me today.
Very important video, one that I did not do myself over the past handful of years lol I have every kind of release, and if I could pick one that I wish i got sooner it would be the carter evolution. Really taught me how to shoot with real back tension, and now i can do the same with every release i own, including the index, which i even prefer now! and i dont shoot any better or worse with either one, they are all different manufacturers even, they all shoot the exact same as long as i do my job.
I really really prefer to just help people enjoy the sport I love. Actually get a bit upset when people call me a salesman because that's not how I see myself at all haha thanks for watching man
For training purposes a resistance is a great tool, but only a very few shoot such in competition. Me as well. One or 2 times a month 150 arrows with the Stan Resistance and the rest of the time and comtetition the UV Hinge II. Switch from one to the other takes around 10 arrows.
I started with a Truball Absolute 360. Used that for a few years until it chewed a spring. Bought a Carter Ember. Nice release, not wide enough and gives me blisters on my fingers when I shoot lots of arrows. Now using a Scott Sigma. Feels nice, had it for about 3 years. It's my number 1 release. I also have a Scott Backspin. Bought it used, sometimes I just need to shoot a hinge so I stop punching the thumb. 4 releases in 9 years of archery isn't too excessive.
Well said! Use one for at least 2 months. Maybe several hundred shots? Serious shots, not just slinging arrows down range. Begin at 10 feet from a target. Don’t even try to aim. Take off or cover the sight. Learn the feel of the release. Any adjustments must be done in small increments because under the load of the draw you WILL feel the difference. It is not an overnight thing even for very accomplished archers much less newbies. A pro class archer will take hours and hours to setup a new release and they already know what to accomplish.
Have a carter hole thing and target 4 that date back to the 90s. Both release have never been opened and are as crisp as the day I bought them Currently shooting a carter hammer that I bought in 2010.
I own between 150 and 200 releases, and the best thing i can recommend to someone looking for a release (after they pick what style of release they want) is: Get the one that fits your hand. Everything else is secondary.
As someone with big man hands this is critical for me. I feel a lot of hinge released nowadays are too small and spindly for me. A friend gifted me a Carter Solution 3. Yes, it's old but it still works and fits my hand very comfortably.
People need to find a design that works for them. I've shot a recurve too for many years now. So buying a 4 finger thumb release would be overkill & in-natural. I also get a crisper release with less letoff with any bow I shoot whether it's button or fingers. A light release would be no good cuz I feel like it's either an unstable platform or just cheap. So i have a size medium Stan SX-3 & one thing that improved my shooting the best is the design. It has a shelf on top & when I put my pinkie on the shelf & try to squeeze my shoulder blades together tighter I get a surprise release while holding steady. Just like with the recurve. You don't release the string as much as u simply have it slip out from your fingers while using the same process.
It happens that you can lose the security and confidence in an release aid. Or maybe it supports and leads to TP... For me it was important to discover the advantages and disadvantages of an hinge, index, resistance etc release and could transfere this feeling to another one. A change led to a more conscious working through of the individual steps. And there were releases that made me feel more and more uncomfortable after a longer period of time For example I own the Stan shortneck, but the old version without this safty plate at the hook. It is a very fragile release and I lost confidence during the drawing and my hand cramped more.
I'd imagine the same could be said for twin releases like the Abyss/Fulkrum and the Stan Onnex hinge/tension/thumb. Despite having identical grips and handles, each mechanism releases differently and feels different through the shot process. (and I'm know to have gone through too many releases)
You are correct. The handle and hook position being identical is not the only factor in pairing a thumb release and a hinge (despite what the manufacturers would like is to think so we buy more of their stuff). Back wall pressure, elbow position, direction of pull, and shot execution style all factor in to getting a similar point of impact. I have a few hypotheses on how to pair things up more easily, but it seems to boil down to just experimenting.
The Nock2it is a 2.5 finger version of the Wise Choice. The Silverback is a Carter Evolution in 2.5 fingers, and the Silverback Plus is the Evolution 20. I say it's a 2.5 because you can wrap your ring finger around that "nub". So they are not a true 2-Finger.
There is only one problem with the TruBall Blade! That is, don’t shoot loop material smaller than #24 or there is a chance of pulling it through the release’s jaw. Believe me when I say this, also when I purchased mine many years ago it had d-loop material provided and a warning. Consider yourself warned! Other than that - it is (at least to me) perhaps the most functionally smooth release on the market!
Hi Joel, enjoying your videos mate! Does your store service release aids? I have a wise choice that could probably do with a birthday. Just seeing if the shop accepts servicing?
Find one you like, buy two of them, and then stop trying new ones…I love my pair of wise choices, but I love the feel of several other release brands and models as well. I feel the same could be said about folks who buy a new $1000-ish bow every year or two instead of just buying $100-ish string and cables sets when needed and running the same bow til the cams fall off ;)
Too many archers are shooting a release triggered by the muscle between their ears instead of "back tension, pull through the shot" technique i was taught in 1972 by a champion female archer! On a recurve no less! hinge releases are a must as well as blind bail shooting for newbies!
strap a good quality wrist release on, and go outside, and shoot. Every day. focus on form, fitness and learn to become a robot during your shot. Ive honestly never used, or needed another one and i can shoot well every day.
I've been shooting compounds and traditional bows for 40? years and with my compound I use the second release I ever purchased, a Little Scott wrist strap release and it works perfectly fine for me and I can shoot my 15 year old Elite as good as the guy with the latest button release and this year's $1500 compound. The only time I buy a new three fingered glove for my recurve is when I wear one out and need a new one.
@@eddieengland9886 same here mate, I can’t remember what brand my release is but it’s comfy, and crisp!!! Anchor point is something crucial to have absolute consistency with too.. (going back to being a robot!) As for bows, have a 2yr old PSE Stinger Max with a quality drop away, peep & sight and I can’t see how I could shoot better presently, it just drills tight groups all day long, even got 2 dead centre robin hoods!! I was so proud, till i thought that’s a lot of money gone!!! Pin nicks fixed that. That’s a point, a quality set of properly spined and lengthened arrows is key also…
@@lukebaker1167 I couldn't agree more. I cringe anytime I see someone buying arrows at Walmart when for a few dollars more could get quality arrows that fit them and their bow at an archery shop.
@@casanovafrankenstein8875 You're exactly right! "Oooh, he shot a better score than me so I need a new bow, or new release, or new arrows" or whatever else they deemed to be the problem other than they just don't shoot enough or concentrate on their form.
The Max pro is good to get you started, and a handy backup, was my first thumb release, but I agree with you about having a sear, picked up a second hand STAN SX2, trigger breaks like glass.
Totally agree, getting your form repeatable and consistent will always produce better results.
True words! Coaching beginners in my club this drives me nuts sometimes. They always have to have new things without even getting used to their equipment.
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Great video mate. Definitely getting better and more comfortable in front of the camera
Wise words. You have to master any piece of equipment before you can outgrow it.
This is why I have shot longbows and recurves for the past 44 years. All I need is a glove or a tab and the fingers do the work. No sights or any other gadgets to buy or get in the way, just pure brain power and muscle memory.
Back when I competed indoors, I shot everything and ended up with a 2 finger Stan back tension, which today everyone calls them hinge releases because they don’t use it right. Anyway..... I have owned so many different brands and today I LOVE the Hot Shot 3 finger. I remove the knurled knob, move that stuff in and slid a trigger rubber piece over the threads. I put my thumb behind the trigger to draw. Then I wrap my thumb around that stud, get settled, then try to touch my pinky and thumb together. This then sets it off without warning. Since my Stan days I CANNOT punch a release anymore. I shot that one release for 3 years though. Just like a rifle, you have to shoot it and shoot it to get used to it. This gentleman you are talking about needs to njj no ow to pick e beat one he thinks he needs, and this does not have to be the most expensive one, but shoot it for several months. I never traded releases. I just bought others to try. I have a collection. Most of them back tensions of different brands. Tru Ball, Stan, Zenith and now my favorite after 50 years of shooting is the cheaper Hot Shot. It works for me today.
Very important video, one that I did not do myself over the past handful of years lol I have every kind of release, and if I could pick one that I wish i got sooner it would be the carter evolution. Really taught me how to shoot with real back tension, and now i can do the same with every release i own, including the index, which i even prefer now! and i dont shoot any better or worse with either one, they are all different manufacturers even, they all shoot the exact same as long as i do my job.
Its nice to see a store that doesn't endlessly push new gear on people who don't need it - its usually the other way around.
I really really prefer to just help people enjoy the sport I love. Actually get a bit upset when people call me a salesman because that's not how I see myself at all haha thanks for watching man
For training purposes a resistance is a great tool, but only a very few shoot such in competition. Me as well. One or 2 times a month 150 arrows with the Stan Resistance and the rest of the time and comtetition the UV Hinge II. Switch from one to the other takes around 10 arrows.
I started with a Truball Absolute 360. Used that for a few years until it chewed a spring.
Bought a Carter Ember.
Nice release, not wide enough and gives me blisters on my fingers when I shoot lots of arrows.
Now using a Scott Sigma.
Feels nice, had it for about 3 years. It's my number 1 release.
I also have a Scott Backspin.
Bought it used, sometimes I just need to shoot a hinge so I stop punching the thumb.
4 releases in 9 years of archery isn't too excessive.
Well said! Use one for at least 2 months. Maybe several hundred shots? Serious shots, not just slinging arrows down range. Begin at 10 feet from a target. Don’t even try to aim. Take off or cover the sight. Learn the feel of the release. Any adjustments must be done in small increments because under the load of the draw you WILL feel the difference. It is not an overnight thing even for very accomplished archers much less newbies. A pro class archer will take hours and hours to setup a new release and they already know what to accomplish.
Never bought a release, got one as a gift an Omega that's 14+ years old, still using it to this day.
Have a carter hole thing and target 4 that date back to the 90s. Both release have never been opened and are as crisp as the day I bought them Currently shooting a carter hammer that I bought in 2010.
I own between 150 and 200 releases, and the best thing i can recommend to someone looking for a release (after they pick what style of release they want) is:
Get the one that fits your hand. Everything else is secondary.
As someone with big man hands this is critical for me. I feel a lot of hinge released nowadays are too small and spindly for me. A friend gifted me a Carter Solution 3. Yes, it's old but it still works and fits my hand very comfortably.
People need to find a design that works for them. I've shot a recurve too for many years now. So buying a 4 finger thumb release would be overkill & in-natural. I also get a crisper release with less letoff with any bow I shoot whether it's button or fingers. A light release would be no good cuz I feel like it's either an unstable platform or just cheap. So i have a size medium Stan SX-3 & one thing that improved my shooting the best is the design. It has a shelf on top & when I put my pinkie on the shelf & try to squeeze my shoulder blades together tighter I get a surprise release while holding steady. Just like with the recurve. You don't release the string as much as u simply have it slip out from your fingers while using the same process.
Tried them all, but I shoot best with the pistol grip type that everyone hates.
It happens that you can lose the security and confidence in an release aid. Or maybe it supports and leads to TP...
For me it was important to discover the advantages and disadvantages of an hinge, index, resistance etc release and could transfere this feeling to another one.
A change led to a more conscious working through of the individual steps.
And there were releases that made me feel more and more uncomfortable after a longer period of time
For example I own the Stan shortneck, but the old version without this safty plate at the hook. It is a very fragile release and I lost confidence during the drawing and my hand cramped more.
I’ve never dropped my wrist strap release after climbing into my tree stand . Lol
Same thing with Clay Target Shooting. People with more Dollars than Sense, who buy a new shotgun - *whenever they drop a target!*
I'd imagine the same could be said for twin releases like the Abyss/Fulkrum and the Stan Onnex hinge/tension/thumb. Despite having identical grips and handles, each mechanism releases differently and feels different through the shot process. (and I'm know to have gone through too many releases)
You are correct. The handle and hook position being identical is not the only factor in pairing a thumb release and a hinge (despite what the manufacturers would like is to think so we buy more of their stuff).
Back wall pressure, elbow position, direction of pull, and shot execution style all factor in to getting a similar point of impact.
I have a few hypotheses on how to pair things up more easily, but it seems to boil down to just experimenting.
@@ajbholsters2035 If only experimenting didn't cost anywhere from 300 to 500 dollars
The Nock2it is a 2.5 finger version of the Wise Choice. The Silverback is a Carter Evolution in 2.5 fingers, and the Silverback Plus is the Evolution 20.
I say it's a 2.5 because you can wrap your ring finger around that "nub". So they are not a true 2-Finger.
There is only one problem with the TruBall Blade! That is, don’t shoot loop material smaller than #24 or there is a chance of pulling it through the release’s jaw. Believe me when I say this, also when I purchased mine many years ago it had d-loop material provided and a warning. Consider yourself warned!
Other than that - it is (at least to me) perhaps the most functionally smooth release on the market!
Hi Joel, enjoying your videos mate! Does your store service release aids? I have a wise choice that could probably do with a birthday. Just seeing if the shop accepts servicing?
Find one you like, buy two of them, and then stop trying new ones…I love my pair of wise choices, but I love the feel of several other release brands and models as well. I feel the same could be said about folks who buy a new $1000-ish bow every year or two instead of just buying $100-ish string and cables sets when needed and running the same bow til the cams fall off ;)
Too many archers are shooting a release triggered by the muscle between their ears instead of "back tension, pull through the shot" technique i was taught in 1972 by a champion female archer! On a recurve no less! hinge releases are a must as well as blind bail shooting for newbies!
strap a good quality wrist release on, and go outside, and shoot. Every day. focus on form, fitness and learn to become a robot during your shot. Ive honestly never used, or needed another one and i can shoot well every day.
I've been shooting compounds and traditional bows for 40? years and with my compound I use the second release I ever purchased, a Little Scott wrist strap release and it works perfectly fine for me and I can shoot my 15 year old Elite as good as the guy with the latest button release and this year's $1500 compound. The only time I buy a new three fingered glove for my recurve is when I wear one out and need a new one.
@@eddieengland9886 same here mate, I can’t remember what brand my release is but it’s comfy, and crisp!!! Anchor point is something crucial to have absolute consistency with too.. (going back to being a robot!) As for bows, have a 2yr old PSE Stinger Max with a quality drop away, peep & sight and I can’t see how I could shoot better presently, it just drills tight groups all day long, even got 2 dead centre robin hoods!! I was so proud, till i thought that’s a lot of money gone!!! Pin nicks fixed that. That’s a point, a quality set of properly spined and lengthened arrows is key also…
@@lukebaker1167
I couldn't agree more. I cringe anytime I see someone buying arrows at Walmart when for a few dollars more could get quality arrows that fit them and their bow at an archery shop.
@@eddieengland9886 where are you located Eddie? I’m assuming the states as we don’t have Walmart here!!!! (Tasmania, Aus!!). Just curious!!!
next video please stand in another part of the store ... I'm window shopping your displays! :o)
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Heya mate, My wife has banned me from purchasing archery gear.
I love how Aussies turn "so" into a three-syllable word.
Archery is indeed a magpie sport, we all want the next shiny thing we see.
It's the materialistic mentality possessed by most foam shoots. Hunters have been developing that female trait for some time now...
@@casanovafrankenstein8875
You're exactly right! "Oooh, he shot a better score than me so I need a new bow, or new release, or new arrows" or whatever else they deemed to be the problem other than they just don't shoot enough or concentrate on their form.
You related to Coach Tom from the Grappling Academy?
Flattered by the association man but nah no relation
@@otheropinionssuck So you know the dude?
I shoot the stan shootoff TL thumb button for every thing hunting and target
Buy one with a sear unlike me, the noob who was given a truball max pro rather than having a proper recommendation at a different shop. :(
The Max pro is good to get you started, and a handy backup, was my first thumb release, but I agree with you about having a sear, picked up a second hand STAN SX2, trigger breaks like glass.
After 12 releases I think it's too late for me 😢 😂
You drink tooooooo much coffee dude