Post office inquiry: Fujitsu manager called bankrupted subpostmaster 'nasty chap'
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- A Fujitsu employee called a subpostmaster who was bankrupted by the company's faulty computer system a "nasty chap" in not-seen-before email sent internally in 2003.
Peter Sewell, who was in the Post Office Account Security Team at Fujitsu, said that Lee Carrington was a "nasty man" after the subpostmaster had threatened the company with legal action after losing all his money due to no fault of his own.
Fujitsu provided the Post Office with the Horizon computer system for individual subpostmasters. This system wrongly said that hundreds of subpostmasters had been committing fraud and more than 700 were wrongly convicted.
The email was revealed at the ongoing Post Office Horizon Inquiry.
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Sewell. A typical corporate bully. Brave when he thinks he's untouchable. Spoiling his pants when made to explain himself.
He doesn’t remember anything just like the Labour Government who was in power when it all started
Or the tories who’ve had 13 years to sort it out.
@@Project-MasculinityGet back under your stone, you conservatives have destroyed this country, and we will never forget it.
@@Project-Masculinity This is a corporate issue and not a political one. The government owns The Post Office, but it doesn't manage it. You can't even pin the blame on The Tories for this one. The buck stops at the CEO and then the management going down the corporate ladder, plus Fujitsu of course and their management ladder.
This is a classic example of people working in multimillion / multibillion dollar organisations, receiving very generous salaries, bonuses, pensions and severance packages, and NOT wanting to stick their heads above the trench to say what they ACTUALLY KNOW about these VERY powerful and profitable organisations, for fear of it affecting them career wise or financially. THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
He is a nasty chap, this Sewell fellow.
This guy should be jailed for perverting the course of justice
Perverting the course of justice and malicious prosecution aren’t mentioned enough in all this. Absolutely smacks of it.
it is all very troubling - the culture which pervades the Uk - is what you think you can get away with. I have wondered how long it can go on like this. The erosion of trust is insidious. I just don't know how they restore trust - the inquiry tries to do this but I am not sure many people watch it seriously - they are likely to dismiss it as a whitewash - like a jury dismisses the possibility that a sub-postmaster could be innocent. Jason Beer's voice does carry a certain moral force but that's all. If you criticise the new IT system at work your job is at risk - you jeer at anyone who is slow to use the latest gadget/app/gizmo. So reliant on machines - we are losing touch with our own souls.
Agreed this guy will escape scot free.
@@michaelmcginley7930 He shouldn’t. Morally, ethically and professionally he clearly was not the mad for the job.
I suspect if you look at his CV it will contain BS.
Has amazing memory when it comes to exhonerating himself in the misra case
These Fujitsu and Post Office officials are shitting themselves. I hope they are held accountable in a criminal court and imprisoned and then sued in a civil court.
"Old school tie"
if you think they are shitting themselves then your could be called naive, nothing will happen to these people, nothing, mark my words
Sadly, I would have to agree with you.
Sued for every last penny they have in their accounts and in assets, including their homes bought on the backs of these prosecutions.
Sorry won't happen. Its UK law's which are bent towards how much money you have.!
F Hall will happen. Sadly. 😢
The lies they tell the inquiry is disgusting. He knows exactly what was happening back then. Trying to protect himself and his pension
Another one with "selective memory" like Steve Bradshaw last week.
We see through them
why turn up to say i do not know .
@andy...thats right...when they think they might incriminate themselves they get amnesia....i bet you if this had been alledged but with no written evidence this rat would have denied it....
They should have their pension taken from them. Absolutely disgusted with the Post Office!! #justiceforthesubpostmasters
The Ronald Reagan defence!
If you're sat in front of a national enquiry board, 'I don't know ' shouldn't be an acceptable answer to any question. Britain has an integrity problem.
Put yourself in his seat. Be honest now. What would you say in reply?
If Johnson, Sunak, Piers Morgan, et al, can lie straight faced - what makes you imagine these people that have done wrong are going to own up to everything. “I can’t recall” or “I don’t know” seem the logical advice any barrister would advise (other than in criminal cases advice of “No Comment” as standard.
Corporate mentality.
He was saying he didn’t know… about himself.
Not much you can do about that.
He probably lives in a house.
@@roppa789I think you have missed the point, if you were a decent person you wouldn’t have to be in a inquiry trying to explain what you wrote about someone’s character without any explanation to back up your comments.
@@roppa789 Just wait until this goes to a court. He will quickly find that "I don't know" "I don't remember" just helps to convict them.
i want to see this guy behind bars more than anything
Agree. Have watched so many of the hearings. Too many nasty trashy liars to mention but 2 who stood out as being quite deranged were stephen bradshaw and mandy talbot. Flora page is wonderful, as is mr henry who has the voice and charisma of an actor. All of the lawyers are doing a great job. I doubt there will be justice but at least these vermins faces are being seen all over the world.
Along with Vennells and that blonde cow.
@@rb1062 Angela Van Den Bogerd. She also went to Martin Griffiths widow and gave her false empathy for her husbands murder which it was and then the PO made her a one day offer for money and of course an NDA. Gina Griffiths should be given her chance to speak on behalf of her husband.
He should now be put through what Lee Castletown had to experience for the last twenty years. No salary, no job and behind bars.
And perhaps he should have to personally pay the victims
Another awful man………shame on him, he destroyed peoples lives. Pass go and go straight to jail.
Go directlky to jail. Do NOT pass go. Do NOT collect £200 (or his pension). No rolling doubles or paying £50 here
Pass GO forfeit pension and head straight to Prison.
You mean ‘Don’t pass go’ - doesn’t deserve to collect cash on the way to jail.
Here’s another pension pot that needs to be emptied and distributed to convicted sub-postmasters.
Don't stop there..... house and savings.
Exactly.
He is lying through his teeth. Perjury should be the very least of the charges filed against him. Vile horrible man.
They all need to held criminally accountable for the travesty they knowingly committed, named, shamed, pensions cancelled and imprisonment.
💯🎯
Their pensions used in compensation to their victim while they themselves are hung out to dry.
Absolutely.
Until this happens scandals like this will unfortunately continue to come to light. Free speech and whistleblowers blowers need to be protected!
Another one for the witness protection program
And when no one goes to jail for this we'll know the true state of justice in this country.
Appalling
Public inquiry s are normally used to bury things
Public inquiry then what more
Nothing happens? Can we as the Govt cancel their pension and all bonuses repaid into the Postmasters fund?
Horizon software = no integrity
Fujitsu executive = no integrity
Fujitsu’s current stance is more welcomed. £10 million won’t cut it, however.
@@ANonymous-p5x5n Should be £10 billion.
Post Office Management = No integrity. And they are ultimately accountable! To the Crown!
@@ANonymous-p5x5n Ten million seems fine to me. Each of the sub postmasters can have a happy life with that amount of money each as long as the executives in Fujitsu and the PO who created this are locked away.
@@ANonymous-p5x5n All Fujitsu's UK operations should be asset stripped and liquidated to pay the victims, and the parent company permanently barred from any future operation in the UK.
His family must be so proud! What a coward
They probably are just like him, monkey see monkey do.
His wife knows for sure, but will she speak up?!
This guy was an appalling witness. Either he needs dementia care, or he is strategically "forgetting" the actions that could put him into court for perversion of the course of justice.
a lot of elderly ones like this.. im afraid its multiple vaccines - rotted their brains..
He doesn't need dementia care but rather the "care" provided in one of His Majesty's prisons!
No. He wasn’t an appalling witness. He’s a disgusting, appalling person who shows us all how miscarriages of justice occur. He appears to be one of the drivers.
This guy gets paid too much! Has probably got a decent pension too.
What a joke!
Definitely no dementia there.
Why should we believe anything this man says?
we do not
It's pretty obvious that we can't.
Honorable gentleman.... so they say 🤔
I don't know
We shouldn’t
'Don't know' is a poor answer.
It will be interesting to see how quickly our judicial system is employed to prosecute those responsible for this colossal miscarriage of justice.
Don’t hold your breath….Bleak House here we go!
More chance of the titanic being raised, once again, an inquiry costing millions to the taxpayer, with ultimately nobody being held to account, where they’ll roll out the standard line “lessons will be/ have been learnt” now kindly move on, nothing to see hear, every single inquiry this country holds is just a blatant waste of taxpayers money with zero outcome other than a few appeasing words - the whole corrupt system is a joke - and we’re the mugs funding it all !!
However, he does know with certainty that the other emails that we don't have were much nicer and fully proper!
All through his evidence he said on important issues that He couldn't remember but definitely remembers that he didn't say this about any other sub-postmasters. Pathetic jelly example of the majority of middle management. You see it every day.
Maybe they all need to be hooked up to a lie detector machine
Saw the whole thing earlier today, he is an evil, evil man. Another one who will protect the name and image of a legal fiction at all costs to others.
The quiet fury of Flora Page (Counsel) was palpable. I hope and trust the likes of Sewell get his time in the dock in a criminal proceeding. We all need to see justice winning through in this case and others (eg Grenfell)
They should be forced to pay compensation to the victims even if they are bankrupted - prison is pointless for these people. Of course, it won't happen.
@@ThePeage I certainly agree about compensation but I think this case is a moment where we all need to see the justice system do its job because no matter what walk of life we find ourselves in, we are all vulnerable to this kind of malfeasance at the hands of powerful institutions.
@@realcapitalist1462there will be no consequences for these people. There will be some token compensation payout (a pittance compared to what the victims lost) with a condition that they don't ask for more and don't talk about it again. The government will pay said pittance out of tax payers money then use it as an excuse why they had to cut somewhere else. Those responsible will go back to their homes and open a nice bottle of wine because everyone will forget about it in a few weeks because the press will drown it out with something else.
@@mrmagpiepromotions I really hope you're wrong but I also have a sneaking feeling you may well be right! It will show just how rotten our society has become when all the checks and balances have been overcome by people who rule over us. What is the solution? I know what the French would be doing!
@realcapitalist1462
On one level I agree but I think prison is expensive and they have already had enough taxpayers' money!
Personally, I would like to see them living in the community at subsistence rates with anything additional they can raise/earn going into the compensation coffers - firstly of those wronged by their negligence/malfeasance, and then into the public purse to "pay their debt to society". If they are unable to get a job and need to claim from the taxpayer to live, then they work full-time in some sort of community service. We are having problems getting seasonal workers I understand! The publicity should be widespread (name and shame) so they are seen in society for what they are.... as Mr. Sewell is now.
He takes 'squirm' to a whole new level.
My sympathy with innocent post Office employees
This guy is clearly lying to a statutory enquiry.
I watched this and Sewell spent most of the time saying he had no recollection or couldn’t remember events when asked questions despite the number of emails that had his name on them.
When he did answer he was as vague as he could be and volunteered absolutely nothing. It was a case of dishonest self preservation.
The first convictions were overturned in 2019, the fact that the Gov judges barristers police did nothing but sit on their hands until now allows enough time to pass where they believe they can claim not to recall in the hope there wont be enough evidence to convict. The old school tie network, as ever, working behind the scenes looking after itself
I have been following this for a few days now this guy struck me as the largest shitbag so far, right next to Stephen Bradshaw.
Well he is taking the Sturgeon approach, worked OK for her and she had less months than this guy had years to have no recollection!
I don't understand how someone so ignorant of his job managed to get to a position where he would converse with board members re cost analysis of change programmes yet cannot remember any of his responsibilities.
Absolutely. A cavalcade of fools, liars and inadequates. I haven't seen the drama version, but I'm finding the current questioning fascinating. Mr. Bradshaw seemed to have benefitted handsomely from the Peter Principle.
The scary thing about this is it probably sums up middle management in all our public services.
@@robbie_they are private sector and they are a British Company.
@@dominicbritt The Post Office wasn't at the time (government is still the only shareholder) and ICL, who developed the system, was created by Tony Benn, a Minister in the Wilson government.
@@robbie_ Definitely.
Does this liar know anything 😮
So arrogantly dismissive 😮
He knows hoe much extra taxpayer many he did bag year after year from this :)
Spoiler alert: Fujitsu get given more Government contracts. Let’s not forget the mess they were involved in with the NHS national computer system failure and all the tens (or was it hundreds?) of millions they picked up there after all the threats of legal action!
There all lying to cover their own arse
@@gingervirus2988 Absolutely right - didn't they buy out ICL ? probably to grab their customer base.
I'm sure we've all met some nasty pieces of work during our careers, but this is a whole new level of malevolence, people's liberty was on the line, lives have been taken, lives utterly ruined and that's what they had in charge.
Yes, I totally agree.
This man is disgusting.
In all the investigations I've watched, so far, it seems all the staff were very poorly trained, didn't understand the law, shirked their responsibilities, were, and still are, prepared to tow the party line, had very low morals, and no respect for honesty and truth.
Also no conscience regarding the pain and suffering they were personally causing.
That includes Management, Investigation Officers, and Lawyers.
I suspect the Post Office would have terminated employment for any staff who asked questions, or suggested that they were doing things wrong.
Those up the top seem deliberately corrupt, constantly give answers that are unbelievable, and obscure the truth!
Not only has it been a highly corrupt business, for at least the last two decades, but clearly it continues to be.
Their practices are evil.
Seeing a pattern with all these inquiries with witnesses - under oath - having memories more selective than the best mass spectrometers available.
Same happened in Nuremberg in 1945
"And why are we to believe that, Mr. Sewell?"
Lack of conscience and selective memory loss, that question would haunt any normal person.
Can only hope that their pensions, and the total of their bonuses paid are a small percentage of the damages that they face.
Implausible deniability
Fujitsu and the post office are both morally bankrupt and should both be shut down
They both lie in the sewer now. I hope that a nationwide demonstration outside of each Post Office is arranged to remind anyone who thinks events are far removed from their cosy little Post Office that frequenting them is feeding the fraudsters whose actions and inactions resulted in innocent people being jailed. Say 'P Off to the PO!'
You think the PO should be "shut down". Perhaps you'd like to think first.
@@LordOfLight not just the PO, but Fujitsu as well. They support too many important government IT systems.
@@StuartJ Sigh.................you think an outfit that "support[s] too many important government IT systems" should be shut down. Thinking isn't your strong point, is it.
@@LordOfLight no, I was agreeing with you. Maybe I should have been more clear.
Sewell should face criminal charges as soon as possible. Clearly a "nasty chap"!
Sewell has absolutely no redeeming characteristics whatsoever. I wonder if his family watched him lying through his back teeth and now garner the same opinion of him?
Everyone at the Post Office and Fujitsu has the same answer to everything - I don't know nothin' 'bout nothin'.
I think Sewell has clearly demonstrated what actually is a nasty chap.
Has anybody seen Peter Sewell's job description? Was Peter Sewell paid for working for Fujitsu? He cannot have been paid for his memory bank, or is he claiming that it is only recently that his mind became a total blank about everything. So what was he being paid for? And for how long was Fujitsu paying him. Why would anyone believe a word this individual uttered? He should just crawl back under the stone he grubbed his way out from.
Being paid to be this forgetful. Being this unable to answer questions during an enquiry or legal cross examination is probably an in demand skill of company executives.
Keeps saying ‘it’s a long time ago’. Yeah time that you have been free living your life and they haven’t.
As soon as they are asked a question they don't like, they say they don't remember..
The usual - as we saw last week. 1. Shift blame to colleagues. 2. Never give a heartfelt apology. 3. Remember perfectly well one thing (a bland PowerPoint presentation" but not other things (An email with ... and ... in it - indicating something that could not be written). 4. Use "I was just following orders from higher up" whenever possible. These people took an oath - I presume they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law once this is over.
He denies everything, can’t remember, no idea why he wrote it, what a load of blarney !
What a nice person, didn’t know why he wrote that!
Disgusting. Just disgusting.
These people really should be behind bars
Criminals always seem to have no memory of what they did.
I understand that abusers usually blame their victims. I guess we now know what this man is ?
Don't you feel sorry for his wife... (Or maybe husband 😅)
He apologised to the enquiry for writing that disgusting email about an innocent victim whom he helped to ruin. So that's all right then.
I'm sorry I wrote it. Translation: I should have not written it down, I should have said it in person.
The least heart-felt apology too.
@@neil1997 'I'm sorry that I let myself get caught so stupidly, I'm feeling my age'.
He can't believe he wrote that... and yet is 'certain' he never wrote anything similar before or since.
I love the way she left nice long pauses to make him sweat...🙂
To set an example, all those behind this appalling injustice and deception of a seriously flawed system, including the Post Office CEO and operation manager should all be serving time. Any normal folk found guilty of serious fraud would be jailed. This has ruined lives and taken even more. Shame on all those involved.
£50 says that when the public enquiry is over and they eventually start naming those who will be taken to court, this guy is conveniently 'too ill' to stand trial.
We get to see the face of ‘the official narrative’..I think the takeaway is to never be afraid to question what we are told.
It would be useful to see the HR records and performance reviews of people from Fujitsu and Post Office and see whether their managers thought this was the type of behavior the organisations encouraged and rewarded. Maybe we don't have a few bad apples but rotten orchards?
They would have been shredded by now to "reduce storage costs"
If this guy is senior management you won't find the kind of yearly performance review the vast majority of employees have to endure. At most there might be a record of his pay increase and bonus each year.
@@GafftheHorse Even Senior Managers have annual performance reviews undertaken by the Grade above the Senior Manager.
This man is disgusting.
In all the investigations I've watched, so far, it seems all the staff were very poorly trained, didn't understand the law, shirked their responsibilities, were, and still are, prepared to tow the party line, had very low morals, and no respect for honesty and truth.
Also no conscience regarding the pain and suffering they were personally causing.
That includes Management, Investigation Officers, and Lawyers.
I suspect the Post Office would have terminated employment for any staff who asked questions, or suggested that they were doing things wrong.
Those up the top seem deliberately corrupt, constantly give answers that are unbelievable, and obscure the truth!
Not only has it been a highly corrupt business, for at least the last two decades, but clearly it continues to be.
Their practices are evil.
Peter Sewell's body language = guilty, should be in jail.
I like the way the questioner is persistent with her questions and the accusatory tone she uses
As a shareholder of a company who is approached by this man for a senior position, devoid of truth and ethics as he clearly is, would you support his appointment?
Time for Fujitsu shareholders to stand up.
My parents were Sub Postmasters in a small village in the NE. They were meticulous with their accounts, nightly, weekly and monthly. All handballed into various ledgers, red, blue and black Bic Biro pens !!! Non PO supplied by the way. I can remember it like yesterday 40 years on. I am so glad that they had retired before this less than half cocked Horizon horseshit was imposed upon them - it would have killed them to be implicated in this as they were never short in 30 years. They had pride in their work and a good reputation in the small community that they provided the PO service for. Not so fortunate for another local sub Postmaster who got wrapped right around the axle with the Horizon system.
Absolutely right.
Nothing but prison for everyone at Fujitsu and the Post Office will be good enough. The £1billion set aside by the government to cover compensation won't even touch the sides...Fujitsu need to stump up the same amount and the Post Office needs to be closed down
Exactly and it’s taxpayers money
This man needs jail. We need to prosecute people! No we demand this man is sent to jail. The people want justice!
His apology is FAR too little, FAR to late, a horrible little man and hopefully another who will get the justice he richly deserves....
What apology? I only heard him say sorry for writing something down that if he had said in person would not be in evidence.
This supports the belief that the sub postmasters were treated as "grubby little people working for a living" by both the PO, and it seems to have spread, to the Fujitsu managers too..... I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.... Digging their own graves..
Tough love from the questioner - all those tasked with getting to the truth have been articulate and bright - exactly what the GPO and that Venables person have not been.
Vennells. Details are the whole point here.
What an embarrassment this man is. He is sitting there soiling himself no remorse no regrets no apologies getting rinsed for being a poor excuse for a man. Unfortunately this happens in many businesses today they hope nobody will ever know. These individuals should go to jail they are inhuman.
There can be no further acceptance of these lies and claims of amnesia. Justice MUST prevail.
"I don't know why I wrote it" should never be accepted as an answer to any question in an enquiry into the ruination of people's lives. Shame on the Government for trying to hide behind this enquiry.
Absolutely appalling. I can’t wait to see these people behind bars themselves.
won't happen
He remembers what he did not do but can't remember what he did do. Beyond reasonable doubt Sewell is continuing to miss lead the enquiry. This is evidence of perverting the course of justice
Get a jury of 12 in that inquiry room stat!
Power corrupts and always leads to this tyrrany. Nobody oversaw or watched senior managers and board members and this is what you get when people in positions of authority are not watched openly.
Power doesn’t corrupt.
It reveals.
@@rolandnelson6722 In some cases it does both and sometimes neither. Johnson wasn’t born a moron, he was made into one.
@@LysanderLH Power can’t fail to reveal.
The term 'lying through your back teeth' comes to mind!
Appalling bunch of corporates. They should be held accountable with jail time seeing as the innocent postmasters had to serve some.
Never underestimate the power of denial especially when used by professional liars.
Worst type of lying bullying manager. But will he be held to account, let alone do time?
Another one of many who should find themselves before a criminal court
Arrest him. Convict him. Bankrupt him.
It doesn't make what is true or false, right or wrong, just protect the brand & company by whatever means necessary. What immorality lies at the heart of Fujitsu.
This is awful. Excellent cross-examination by the lawyer.
How bizarre using the word and instructing someone to use 'integrity.' They clearly have no concept of what that means. They certainly never demonstrated using any whatsoever.
I thought the questioner's pause after reading the word "integrity" was very significant. It is a word that few people understand and even fewer exhibit.
He wrote that because he never expected to be sitting there explaining his actions ..
Surely there are grounds for prosecuting these people for perverting the course of justice!?!?
Should face the same sanction as the victims of their incompetence and malevolence.
Fujitsu need to be responsible for all of the compensation that should be forthcoming to these poor postmasters.
No one can give back a persons life or time spent in Jail. In fact, all of the people who covered up this miscarriage of justice should be sent to prison. Let them see what their lies cause others to suffer.
Brilliant interrogator! She cuts to the wire.
Sewell - only remembers what he wants to remember. Disgusting behaviour. Police do your thing. Its in the public interest to charge him for Perverting the course of justice
Never underestimate the power of denial !!
Looking forward to the list of names the judge recommends for prosecution or police investigation. Criminal behaviour shouldn't go unpunished.
I expect this man felt entirely on top of his brief when he was writing that email and cashing his fat paychecks.
I hope he and his entire management team serve heavy custodial sentences for their crimes.
His family and friends must be so proud of his sympathetic, decent style of 'management'. He does seem to be very embarrassed and ashamed of himself.
What a contemptible bunch of people. Glad they are being outed and hope they are all prosecuted.
Disgusting people. People need to go to jail.
When the lawyer was questioning Peter Sewell, Mr Sewell had instant and absolute recall of what he says he didn't do, but no recall of what he did do. In an e-mail he also referred to Lee Castleton as a nasty man. Libel is a written statement that is unjustly unfavourable. The law says that someone has 12 months after the publication of a libellous statement to start court proceedings. Depending on your definition of the publication date, this e-mail has probably only seen the light of day as the result of this enquiry. Just an observation
they're all sticking up for each other hoping saying the bare minimum and admitting to nothing will get them away with it.
He can’t believe he wrote an email, but he can believe that he has never said similar, and we have his word for that.
Yet again, the undercurrent of unpleasantness with these people towards the sub-postmasters is appalling...A culture of unprofessionalism, nastiness, spitefulness & ''us & them'' is so prevalent...This cowardly guy doesn't even have the cahonies to own & fully explain his own words he once wrote....smdh...
And don't mention the most obvious one... Begins with R
That is the class mentality that he and his ilk are locked into. Obviously there's no possible excuse for it, he only regrets being found out and having to face questions from somebody he can't dismiss as an inferior.
Always apologetic, when caught, these people need to go to prison and have a taste to what they have dished out to these postmasters, also , pensions lost.
I bet all these people never thought that this would ever come back to bite them on their arses. Lives ruined, even suicides. What an utter disgrace.
He looks and sounds like a frightened little 8 year old who is on the verge of wetting his pants.
As in the USA, it now seems that these people believe they can magically render themselves unaccountable and thereby untouchable, simply by feining limited memory loss.
Just how many board members sat on multiple boards of other companies picking up a wage? How can they practice appropriate
These people need jail they have no genuine shame. He will say anything or do anything to get the job done.
The whole thing is a huge corporate cover up where Fujitsu and Post Office would say anything to protect their reputation and individuals would say or do anything to protect their jobs and pensions. They watched sub-postmaster after sub-postmaster be convicted when they knew they hadn't committed a crime. Really low stuff. Does anyone know why there never seems to be mention of main post office (postmasters) being convicted, only sub-postmasters? Was this because of different contracts, issues caused by remote connectivity differences, or was there something in place to make all this happen to close small post offices?
Shame on him! Shame on them all! Hold them ALL accountable!
"I don't Know" or "I can't remember" are euphemisms for 'I am guilty of the charges, but I am not man enough to own up to them'.
imgine he was an everyday man from the street, that smirk would be wiped off his face and held in contempt for lying.