Santa's whole thing is being nice to kids. She isn't nice to kids, so she isn't a good fit as Santa, so he rejects her. And yet... she's supposed to be in the right here? Why does she even want to be Santa if she hates children?!
That right there might be what I hate most about this show. That moment could have been turned into a great "meaning of Christmas" bit. It could have been a unique spin on the whole "commercialization/corporatizing of Christmas" plotline, focusing on how this has resulted in people no longer seeing Christmas as a time of hope and happiness and togetherness, in particular no longer seeing Santa as a representation of those ideals but as a corporate icon/symbol of white power. Candy could go for the Santa position thinking only in those corporate/white man terms, initially succeed on the business side of things, only to start failing as her bitter heart fails to make anybody happy or hopeful, let alone kids. At this point she learns what Christmas and being Santa are really about... and she returns the position to the former Santa or gives it to someone else since she just isn't that kind of person, nor can she even be (at least not without a lot of introspection and work). Maybe even old Santa starts being a bit more jolly and nice after Candy's experiences give him a gentle reminder of what Christmas means to so many people... That was the perfect moment to redeem this show and turn it around into an excellent Christmas message... and they ruined it. ...... But to answer your question, she doesn't see Santa as an inspiration to children and important Christmas figure, she only sees him as a white man in power for her to topple. That's why she wants to become Santa despite hating children.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 I think the worst thing about the premise now that I think about it more is - what's Candy going to do if she topples Santa? She hates kids. Kids are what Santa is known for.
Santa Clause in The Santa Clause 3 (and this is coming from a big fan of its predecessors): *knocks down the Christmas tree so it can break into pieces resulting Mrs. Clause to sob uncontrollably though to be Frank, she was overworking her along with her parents… Say, if Santa’s in-laws can come and visit the North Pole, then so could Mrs.’s! (I get that it was an accident, but shouldn’t the movie use Christmas magic so it can fix itself up again?)* Santa Claus in Santa Inc: *just does his job that makes him Santa even though he certainly doesn’t feel completely like one as much as he feels like Cartoon Seth Rogen* Yeah, I think the former Santa is worse because of flanderization, yet the latter was treated like he was worse than every Nazi and slave owner, so “politically correct” my balls!
Did RUclips remove my comment? Well, here I go retyping it I guess. I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
@@guyferrari8124 perfect analogy, its exactly like it. Woke asshole doesn't like the one sensible, friendly person in the room for made up crap, tries to make them out to be the bad guy, ends up becoming the real asshole.
"From the creator's of Sausage Party" That makes A LOT of sense. This is basically a cartoon that they felt they had to add a lot of swears and edgelord humor just to give it its MA rating. And that's it.
I didn't really like that movie too much to be honest. I get why people like it but I think it's okay. Seriously try to make a show that is mature in ways beyond crude jokes and constant F bomb drops in it to get that MA rating.
As a woman who works extremely hard to succeed, Candy effing PISSES ME OFF. It’s goddamned HARD to get noticed at work anymore and you’re more likely to get fired for budgeting reasons or even no REAL reason at all than moved up anywhere these days. Half the time your boss doesn’t even know who you are. Candy’s boss not only knows who she is, but he NOTICES her. He takes note of her strengths and weaknesses, he watches her perform, he admires her talent and the things she can do and he takes EVERYTHING into consideration. And when he makes his final choice, he explains that while it’s not exactly what she wants, it’s exactly where she fits the best, where she’ll do the most good for the company, and why this role is more important than simply BEING Santa. She’s the one who won’t be seen, yes, but she’ll be the one getting shit done, making sure Christmas gets off the ground successfully every year. The company will effectively rely on her. And he decided this BECAUSE he saw what she was good at and what she wasn’t so good at and because he wanted to make sure she knew her true worth and value to the company. And she gets offended by this! Candy you dumbass, do you know how many women AND men would give anything for their bosses to take that kind of interest in them??? Screw this brat.
Ok i know you're enraged with the hellish writting of this show, but like, i really loved how expressive (and charismatic) your choice of words is. It really engaged me, it felt like you was one of those fun youtubers you find at 3am that simply talk bout random things cause they fell like it and, you know, make their interests fun to hear about and you look onto it a bit too? Ye random comparision lol but really, very cool writing
@@adriannaranjo4397 "also lets get our protagonists practically give the mcguffins to the antagonist while leaving a whole bunch of civilians in a monster infested desert, Genius"
You know, wanting to be Santa despite not liking children suggests Candy is only looking to elevate her corporate status, not that she loves what she does. Imagine a Santa that doesn't care about the kids and only wants to complete a job. In a fun holiday special like the ones this show is parodying, that would usually be seen as a _bad thing._
Another pretty good example of a stop-motion episode that tackles discrimination with humour is the episode of Moral Orel called “God’s Blunders”. It portrays the way disabled children are patronized really well while also retaining the show’s campy and satirical sense of adult humour. Also season three of that show was a freaking masterpiece.
THANK YOU I was looking for a comment abt Moral Orel, because that show is absolutely incredible in many aspects, ESPECIALLY with how they can get their point across without slaughtering their humor
@@abba9265 I think most of the episodes are on RUclips but some of the music has been removed due to copyright. It’s a shame because some of the song choices are so good and I think it really enhances the show. The official episodes are on Adult Swim’s website if you have cable.
Unpacking morel Orel talks about the Flanderisarisation of characters… when you have such Transparent aims and no joke subtleties that’s what happens to your characters this is what happens to them, then nobody cares about your themes and plots, plus it’s not funny. morel Orel is a masterpiece
I laugh at how Seth Rogen was calling people who didn’t like the show white supremacists. Meanwhile, the show itself is basically filled with so many stereotypes, that it would make Adam Sandler look at you weirdly.
Stop Motion in General is so underused despite taking alot of effort and passion, that’s why this show is so insulting to the animators who wasted Hours on a Crappy script
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 I feel like there's so much potential in a stop-motion animated horror movie or series. Stop-motion to me has a creepy vibe that no other types of Animation can pull off.
@@ghoulbuster1 What are you talking about? About 50% of US teachers have kids of their own at home. Bet that number would go up even more if we counted the kids that aren't theirs.
@@leobriccocola8141 eh, people who like kids a lot, are going to get jobs where they can be around kids more often also some creeps aren't willing to hurt their own children, they would rather go after other kids
27:52 One of the most memorable jokes for me from, of all things, the Ducktales reboot. Scrooge and the gang were in the Himalayas, and, when Louie saw the size of the mountains, he said that he wasn't going to climb anything. He literally just hung out at the resort spa with his friend Launchpad for the entire episode. It was amazing.
Funny thing about Santa's successor; what you described is exactly the way "Arthur Christmas" ends. Santa's son Steve was supposed to be the next Santa and he was already the brains behind the operation, but then everyone realized that his brother Arthur had more of the heart for it. So they made Arthur the next Santa and Steve was content to support him with his organizational skills behind the scenes. Now "Santa Inc." Santa has the exact same idea with his employees and he's treated as unfair for it. We have regressed in maturity in the past 10 years.
I say it's more of entertainment maturity of Hollywood or the industry in general. It's obvious that audiences are wanting more stuff like bojack horseman for mature comedy animations that aren't another huckleberry or family guy. It's also the fact that they write characters like candy so cynical and mean spirited that is unbearable. That's how I see it atleast
That's the woke mentality these days. If they don't get all of it, no matter how impractical it is, then they get mad. Entitlement, is what I believe it's called.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Originally it meant being someone who woke up to all the inequality if the world and chose to change it. But soon it became warped and now it's being used by people to virtue signal and be hypocritical. For example, they'll go after people for things they've said or done years ago while they themselves do worse things. Dave Chappelle made jokes about everybody, everyone laughed until he went to the trans jokes. People (admittedly few but loud) tried to force him to apologise and he refused. Most if the trans community were fine with it. And when Dave's friend and mentor, a trans woman, tried to defend him, they hounded her to suicide. Everything they see is "problematic" and needs to be changed. Anybody doing anything is bad. Can't tell jokes without them wanting you to die.
“Moral Orel” is literally the prime example that you don’t have to make the characters swear a lot in order to actually tell a good story. And I’m actually flabbergasted that it wasn’t mentioned in this video
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Mike Lazzo didn't like it, thought it got too serious lmao. I'm sure he's also the reason adult swim didn't pick up korgoth of barbaria
I was wondering why that show wasn't brought up. Maybe since it's a bit older? I can't remember when it was on tv; i only know i saw the tail end of the show and reruns once i knew of its existence
I appreciate you being accurate with the example from everybody hates chris. So many people just throw characters like her as being one-note "racist because funny" arguements around, rather than trying to show what such character's points are. Your addition of "ignorance trumps maliciousness" fits very well with the old quote as well "never attribute maliciousness to that which can be explained through incompetence"
Or maybe Daniel, you can shut the fuck up about your political opinions and let the op talk! Even if you hate trump, to try and down play his point with someone you don’t like is just as stupid as trying to say that cookies prove that pastries are unhealthy across the board, like dude. Nobody’s saying you have to dick ride Big bubble trunk trump, what he is saying is that not all people who are ignorant are trying to be malicious to a person or group of people, which is a great point that has substance to it, politics don’t HAVE to be a part of it. In fact by doing this, you are showing yourself to being just as bad as the people who made Santa inc. Folks who put politics and topics in things that don’t need those things forcibly inserted in them and end up alienating everyone who just want to talk and discuss the topic at hand which, in this case, is how people can sometimes not understand how harmful or uninformed a statement can be, even when they have the purest of intentions. People like you(Including those of the opposite side of the spectrum) need to chill out and realize that you don’t have to make everything a political debate and you don’t need to do that to disprove a point. TL;DR Don’t shove your political views onto something that doesn’t require it, as it makes you look like an ass
@@csmead209 No, Trump proved that some people can’t get over their obsession with one man whose term in office only saw improvements for the lives of Americans But seriously, y’all need to get over him.
@@csmead209 ive seen people double down from ignorance to malice. people want to believe what they already know and when people try to help them understand they decide that they made their mind and ignore it
As someone who worked as customer support for the platform this was streaming on... I can confirm. People HATED it. It wasn't until I went back and checked it out that I realized that all of those heated emails were completely justified. I usually say "hate the creator, not the streaming platform" when people hate on shows/movies that are streaming.... But this one.. This one never should have left the discussion boardroom and NOBODY should have streamed it. Ever. Absolutely awful.
Tbh hating the platform is entirely justified. NOT hating the customer support people who have no say in the matter. But a platform (and the people who decide what is shown on a platform) is responsible for giving bad/offensive/distasteful shows a "platform" where they can be seen. When a platform adds a show to its catalogue, it basically endorses that show and its message
The fact Santa Inc. has around the same review score as High Guardian Spice says a lot about what audiences are willing to put themselves through nowadays
High Guardian Spice was awful on every level but it’s a different kind of atrocious: HGS had a *few* good characters (even if they’re dragged down by being attached to such a dreadful series) and a germ of an idea of what they wanted, even if they face-planted on what was actually released, the absense of worldbuilding at anything more than a basic level, and is a pure failure on even a technical level, but Santa Inc. is just pure malicious intent for itself, its audience, and everyone else in between, without any redeemable value to it whatsoever. Between this and The Prince, which is easily worse but I digress, seeing the words “HBO Max original” and “adult animation” in the same sentence will lead to “avoid it like a flesh-eating virus” with about the same level of basic kindergarten logic of 1+1=2.
@@ThatRandomEncounterGuy HGS major problem that its boring and its written by fanfic writer. While Santa Inc. major problem is its tried to be edgy buts ends up being cringe and looks like its written by a 12 year old edgelord. HGS: Boring and Fanfiction like Santa Inc.: Cringe and Edgelord wet dream
Hgs feels almost naive on what makes an anime , like is purely ignorant coupled with a very rocky production, but i can see some little kid talking fondly about it 10 years from now cus he knew no better and watched it. But Santa Inc is just innecesary mean, pandering , but worse than all, is boring, which is probably the worse ínsult people like Seth Rogen and Sarah Silverman could get
@@devilishprime1987 Wait... what's so wrong with fanfiction? Fanfiction can be just as well written and can take just as much effort as any regular written work.
The only thing that comes to mind that does the whole "girl gets put down by sexist coworker" trope right was Aggretsuko. Retsuko didn't want to become a girlboss who breaks glass ceilings, she just wanted to leave her shitty life behind.
I genuinely hope all of the animators of this go on to work on bigger, greater things, because I can’t imagine going through life with Santa Inc. being the only notable job on your resume.
Me hearing Santa Inc. is universally hated: "How bad could it be?" Me having watched the trailer: "That looks like a compilation of everything wrong with 'adult' animation."
@@MariusWales it's made more noticeable that it came out just a month after Arcane. Which is not only the POLAR opposite and should be venerated as an example of what adult animation is capable of, but it's also, at most, a hard PG-13 instead of R that most seem to go for.
@@MariusWales I find it interesting that "adult" animation is often more juvenile than animation made for children, more so for children back in the 90s and early 2000s. Its like taking the limit off of the rating breaks something that kept creators from being...creative or something.
@@MariusWales I know right? How are the shows that are even meant to be catered towards children currently somehow even more mature overall then these types of shows along with covering mature topics better then the shows that are LITERALLY MADE for adults?! Imagine trying to compare this show to Amphibia for example, oh wait, I can't because the comparison is NONEXISTENT. Adult animation has got it all backwards! Just keep on thinking of and watching shows like Invincible or Primal to escape the sea of childish immaturity that Adult animation has been making of itself... It's almost like the people they get to create these shows are in reality just whiny, immature children themselves, weird huh?🙄 They're made like immature shows because they're made by immature people, simple as that.
The funny thing is I've heard that when adds are made for movies or shows, they use the best scenes to spice it up. Meaning the add for Santa Inc has the best it has to offer and still failed.
"Candy is the worst protagonist ever and I would gladly punt kick her into the stratosphere if given the chance" Hey, dont short-change yourself my guy. Thats only our second layer, aim for the Exosphere!
@@tiruliru1189 There was a time the world hated Navi, announcing she was one of the worst video game characters ever. What simple, naive children we were.
I will never forget seth rogen especially how he poorly treated his animators on sausage party for working overtime with no pay and then threatening to blacklist them when they try to speak out about it
@@wesxd5292 yeah that also caught me off-guard this is the first time in history where everybody is on the agreement The Santa Inc is the worst show to ever exist it
The way to pull off the "trash a hotel room" joke would be to have her say "hell yeah, I can do that! I'll leave my used towels on the bathroom floor, I will take a robe home in my luggage, I will refill the empty minibar with water and put the bottles back!" Then the comedy would come from how tame her concept of trash a hotel room is and hence be humorous and set a baseline so that increasing crudeness could then mark a character development to the negative throughout the series
I called it. Not even watching clips of this show, I just knew Santa is one of the best characters in this show, simply because everyone is just more unlikeable than him. He also actually drives the plot, has actual depth and personality, and shows that he could be humanized. It's very ironic that this show, including high guardian spice, their best characters are men
I like how in canon there’s a slur for reindeer (caribou) and then the girlboss protagonist owns a sexist reindeer character by hitting him with a car then leaving his dying body after calling him said slur
@@Kumaclaws The people who wrote this belong to an ideological/political group that sees nothing wrong with reacting to offensive words with violence and more offensive words.
@@Kumaclaws except they're the SAME F*CKING THING, a caribou is a reindeer. Caribou is just what they're called in north America, while reindeer is more European in origin
It's quite interesting to me, that Candy is so unlikeable, when Reagan from Inside Job exhibits much of the same character traits and is arguably one of the most likeable protagonists of adult animation. It all comes down to intention, writing and execution. Reagan feels entitled to be the CEO, because she DOES deserve to be the CEO. She's rude and can be a dick because she struggles with social interactions. There is so much to her that makes her a genuinely relatable and 3 dimensional character. Sometimes I really wonder why people think that these corporate dumpster fires could ever impress anyone, when there is clearly NO passion, NO good intentions and NO effort put into it.
i believe that the difference that it works or not, it's if the writers KNOW they are doing a as*hole character, so they deal with the pros and cons of that personality and also know why are they like that. this tv show, doesn't acknowledge that at all. Or they do, in a very weird way
@@Bombonribon oh man, you're missing out though, gravity falls was awesome. but everything comes down to personal taste. i actually don't like watching rick and morty at all, since i really don't enjoy how malicious the humor is to it's characters sometimes. but i found myself enjoying inside job a lot. i didnt personally relate to any of the characters, but Reagan and Brett just feel very human
The worst part of Santa Inc. is that the concept works. Like, it's such a good concept: Santa needs a successor, and people at the North Pole are scrabbling to nab that place. I want a show with this idea. At least, a _good_ show.
You just perfectly described a lot about what irks me about “adult animation.” Instead of mature themes, using the higher rating to tell a deeper story with darker themes through the beautiful medium of animation, they make middle and grade school humor about sex, swearing and nudity. Swearing isn’t funny, the surprise of swearing is funny. Sex does not equal joke. We are adults, not middle schoolers. It rubs me like the children’s equivalent of butt and fart jokes. It’s not funny and gets old real quick.
Given that Seth and Sarah both blame the failure of the show (and of themselves) on "wHiTe SuPrEmAcY", very clearly they don't want to admit their flaws and strive to do/be better writers/people.
Its a stupid excuse to attempt to skirt any responsibility, but this is the real kicker...Seth and Sarah are both white themselves so how does their statement MAKE ANY SENSE.
@@Ergeniz They're probably pulling the "Jewish is non-white when it suits us" card. But either way, they both really need to look into a mirror, given all of the things that they said about black people by proxy of this disaster of a show.
They wasted the animators on the hands of incompetent Idiots and the fact Seth Rogen blamed White Supremacists on the shows failure is so stupid and sad, that it makes for the only funny joke he has ever said in his entire career
Stop-motion usually has very high standards when it comes to animation. That is the case with Will Vinton/LAIKA (except for Boxtrolls and Missing Link (I get that even non-fans of ML would strongly enjoy its visuals, but it has its gross-out moments and compared to previous stop-motion films, I think it looks decent at most), I think that movie is gross. Don’t @ me. I can have my opinion just like y’all can have yours.), Aardman, Tim Burton, Henry Selick, Ray Harryhausen, Wes Anderson, King Kong (the 1933 version has racist and sexist stereotypes towards women and foreigners like Native Americans. But does Santa Inc. care like it thinks? NO!) and Rankin-Bass. But even stop-motion can just be plain creepy when it falls in the wrong hands like Santa Inc.
The worst part is the stop motion looks pretty good just watching the clips with no sounds this looks like it would be a good show those poor animators didn’t deserve this
Stuff like this always fascinates me. You have an entire team of writers, animators, sculptors and whatnot who spend months and months working on something like this; And not a single one of them looked at what they’re doing and thought: “Hmmm, maybe we shouldn’t make our protagonist some entitled, narcissistic misandry little monster that steps on and manipulates people and only wants to be the new Santa because ‘I AM WOOMAN! HERE ME ROAR!’” Or “Maybe we shouldn’t go so far out of our way to paint an icon of childhood innocence like Santa Claus as some evil misogynistic douchebag all because he’s a guy and nothing else”. Like I get satire and parody and all of that, but they only made themselves look like assholes in the end.
@@switchtheflip9422 I am not even sure that many people were aware of the problem, sometimes work is so compartimetalized, it wouldn't surpise me animator and scuptor had no idea how bad the character were.
The most baffling thing for me in this show is that they gave Santa a legit reason to pass over candy. However the inner cynic in me realize that they didn't intend for it to be seen as legit. The scene they wanted to make was clearly Candy being passed over for a white male who is no where near as skilled as her. However, Santa had already been established as wanting a progressive replacement for PR purposes. So for Santa to do this, he would need a reason. Candy would need to be genuinely bad at one aspect of the job. But at the same time, it had to be an aspect of the job that is very minor. Like firing a baker because he can't make Alfredo pasta. They treat santa's relationship with children to be a minor part of the job. Never mind that it was the desire to help children that STARTED the whole concept of Santa. Or the fact that Santa is one of the few imaginary things parents say is real, for the sake of their kids happiness. It doesnt matter, Children are a minor role in job that is Santa. At least, thats what the show says.
@@eatatjoes6751 Given that this is written by two people who have openly hated on the Christian ideals of Christmas in the past... They don't want Santa to do or represent anything meaningful. Because Santa represents something they abhore. Santa makes children and their childhoods happy, and Christ himself has said the sinless innocence of a child is something sacred... Something that should never be tarnished. It makes sense they'd be so angry a holiday about the birth of Christ, and the innocence and salvation it represents. Mathew 18:6 "If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
@@soggybreadman4035 they are literally the toxic part of any religion that zealously hates on any religion, even though most religions that aren't cults promote peace and unity (yes, including Judaism). They are what give religion in general a bad name, and I'm not even religious, I'm just looking at the facts
Hearing that Seth Rogen is calling detractors of this show "nazis" or something like that is just... Wow. How unfortunate, I thought he was better than that. Made me lose a lot respect for him.
I realised something, listening to this. Santa had someone lined up to be a replacement for his personal benefit. Over time, he came to realise that his original choice was far from the best for the position, and instead turned to someone who actually had the necessary skills to do the job. They made a girlboss story and cast the 'girl' as the undeserving rival, somehow.
Honestly a company would gladly do that to a man as well. If you don’t have the guts for a role then you don’t. It’s not sexist. And all she’s doing is acting like a child who didn’t get what she wanted.
all while not undermining her achievements and still allowing her to stay an integral part of the company. And she STILL turned it down because she's a narcissist.
I LOVE how when the writers of these trashfires make characters that the audience is "supposed to hate" they end up somehow being the only likeable ones in said show.
I think it's because they think that's bad, when it's not. I'm not sure how to explain it, but they think, or are unlikeable, but don't realize they are and put it in the show
@@markhirsch6301 they have a generally "bad" take, so when they go to make a villain for their take, they create a hero for the larger group of people with a "good" take. They don't understand that they're not in the right, because it never crossed their minds.
God from these clips this show LOOKS amazing. I'm a huge fan of stop motion and the different character designs and Christmas gags are genuinely cool. It feels like the people who wrote and executed the show are much different from the people who actually did the art.
Me either I can write a good Christmas series I love the idea of an elf wants to be the new Santa Claus but instead of this old crap "about women can't do the same things men do" but should be like : "everybody has this mind set that Elf only good for is making toys and shoes" not to mention the character should be likeable
Im a teen who is learning how to animate stop motion, and honestly Im sad to see the state of stop motion nowadays, makes me scared that if things keep going the way they are, there may not even be a market for stop motion by the time I can start animating for real.
Honestly, I feel like half of the things wrong with this show and its characters could have been solved by that one scene where Candy hit the misogynist deer guy. The show illustrates that he deserved it, but it just wasn't a satisfying scene at all. It just made her seem cold and vengeful. Alternatively, she could have dragged him to her car and hauled him to a hospital and left him in the ER, even if begrudgingly, and the next time he appeared he would have changed, becoming humble and repentant, and acting as an advocate for Candy to Santa even though no longer part of the inner circle with his severe injuries. Using that scene as a turning point could have redeemed Candy as a deserving protagonist and made her actually likeable. And like, it's Christmas. Showing mercy to those who have hurt you, even if they don't deserve it, is kind of one of the most Christmassy things you can do.
Adult oriented animation feels more childish than kids shows these days. Amphibia will kick every current adult show's ass. And Bluey explore topics rarely adult cartoons do with respect in these times, like the nature of death. Bluey, a preschooler show!
Amazing how boomers and those even older than them generally still show such disdain for the animated medium. I hope we'll see quality adult cartoons getting released that are not sitcoms.
@@miserirken you see that's the problem would adult animated series in America because they're mostly comedies and they rely too much on swear words, sex, and violence
I still get an aneurism whenever you casually mention your age as the realization you’re younger than me somehow and yet making bomb-ass RUclips videos hits my brain like a train smashing into a brick wall. I deeply admire that dedication to working with your talent!
If there is one thing I learned from this video, it's that I need to watch Everyone Hates Chris again, I loved that show when it first came on. Thank you for reminding me of its existence hahaha
Santa Inc. is the most cynical, mean-spirited, and soulless Christmas show, ever. We getting sick and tired that adult animation being reduced into cheap raunchy cash grabs and the fact they tried to push a agenda on people, especially during the holiday season is just gross.
I'm just getting tired of cynical crap now days. It feels less that people use it to make serious statements, but rather just say "the world is bad, we are very smart". I've almost entirely stopped watching most TV because of this
Cynical and mean-spirited shows can be entertaining, but the overabundance of them causes them to lose their charm, unless you somehow still have investment towards the characters. Eventually, the audience will get so bored that they'll stop watching 1/4th in, and look for a show with a more wholesome message.
@@markhirsch6301 Also, "the world is bad, we are very smart" describes a lot of fictional villains that play the victim card by claiming that they're the hero, and everyone else is evil. "God, you... you sound like a fucking 'Far Cry' villain. You're all "Oh, you're just as bad as I am!" Shut the fuck up, dude. You don't know what the hell you're talking about." - Mike, to The Psycho, 'Until Dawn - Part 2 | SnapCube's Real-Time Fandub'
Yeah like we were just looking for some Christmas spirit at the end of a really shitty year then Seth Rogan comes along with this miserable show about how Christmas sucks and calls people white supremacists for not being into it
Everyone must remember, animators do what they are asked to do, an awful script it's not their fault. So even if working on such dumpsterfire for experience, this shouldn't be a dark stain on their curriculum because they did their job fine.
The animation was the only good thing about this show, You can tell the people doing it actually cared about making a good final product. Sucks that the script they had to work with was awful.
The sad thing is, I can see how this basic premise could have worked, with only a bit of self-awareness and LOT of re-writes The way I (granted, an inexperienced writer) see it: Let's have two main characters: Candy and Santa. Candy is still surrounded by awful, unlikable people as her "friends" and family, but this time we actually treat them as being awful and show how their constant abuse made Candy into this selfish jerk convinced that she can only rely on herself Santa can be initially portrayed as jagged and burned-out: his marriage is crumbling, he has no real friends and he lost touch with what made him good at his job Their rivarly can gradually cause them to self-reflect and grow closer, eventually becoming friends. They could even develop a father-daughter like relationship, where Candy finally has someone who respects and cares about her as a person; and Santa finally has a true friend and someone who helped him reconnect with that jovial, helpful guy he once was. Oh, and obviously, it should have actual jokes, no whatever the hell the real thing had There, a guy with little writing experience came up with a basic idea for a story that actually feels like it belongs on Christmas: wholesome, with themes of familiar bonding and can still touch on serious issues, like toxic enviroments. Obviously that would require a creators that 1. are skilled and 2. give a crap about what Christmas means to people. Instead we got 30+ yo people who churned out something with story and humor as mature and sophisticated as ttrpg campaigns run by edgy 12-year-olds. TL:DR: There are obvious ways to make the premise work and be christmas-y if there was only some effort and self-awareness present. Remember to love your editors and beta-readers, kids
See, the issue with your pitch is that there's no way to spin it as a feminist power fantasy, or as an unsubtle reminder that chosenites can be as racist as they wish with zero recourse.
Honestly, that just sounds like you're describing Aggretsuko there. Her relationship between her and her (initially) abusive boss sounds exactly like what you wrote.
Their one kid friendly show being better than "adult" ones really says a lot As the old saying goes, restrictions breed creativity. Apparently some people literally can't be creative without restrictions
That saying is horrible, we write off failures as lack of creativity because of it and create ignorance. This WAS their creativity but they failed with it. Creativity doesn't mean a success or even making something unique. By focusing or restraining yourself you tend to improve stuff because you LIMIT creativity. This show being restrictive would make it less creative for what they wanted. They would've focused on improving the restricted elements and likely results in improvement. Less creativity leads to more focus leads to higher quality.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I understand your take, but that only works for creators who are not as competent, too many restrictions could lead to an overall bland experience, like the MCU has been getting.
Kinda like how in regular show they use chicken wings and spice sauce for things like beer and drugs, it's more funny they trying to adapt adult things in a kids show instead of just being an adult show and be like "wow this character got drunk guys how funny. Laugh."
Someone else mentioned this and I wanna share more of it, its funny how Candy has been trying to emulate more masculine traits throughout the whole show but what didn't get her the job was the lack of the feminine trait of being nurturing towards children. If they somehow spun the story around and actually showed Candy *is* good with kids but due to her trying to be so stereotypically male Santa didn't realize, they really couldve saved the show. Or idk, just agree to working behind the scenes with Devon as the face wouldve been cool too.
I actually remember watching a stop motion TV show as a kid that I remember loving called Clay Kids. It's a spanish kid's show about a bunch of grungy kids getting into all kinds of situations. I remember it being pretty entertaining and the animation was great with them using the clay appearance of the characters to their full potential
My biggest issue with the show (and others) is that its so cynical. Which, especially in a _christmas_ based show is a terrible decision. Honestly, I'm just so exhausted with the cynicism in adult animated media. It's exhausting to be told that, "The world is terrible, everyone hates everyone else, happiness is a lie, etc." all the time when you just want to sit down and laugh. Not to mention being overly crass + overly cynical isn't mature in the slightest. Most "adult comedies" feel like a bunch of teenagers wrote them. Why is it that, instead of watching the stuff targeted at people my age, (21+) I get more enjoyment out of the stuff aimed at kids? Gravity Falls, The Owl House, The Dragon Prince, Green Eggs and Ham, Ducktales (the new one,) and so much more have been more enjoyable and have more meaning to them than the slop being thrown in the metaphorical "Adult animation" pig trough.
@@pidgedidge I thought it was ok at first but the characters grew to irritate me over time. I watched all of season 1. I hate Dewy. I hate how he is reckless and runs into trouble without thinking. He reminds me of Scrappy Doo. I dislike Heuy. He is dull even by sterotypical nerd standards. Lisa Simpson he ain't. Louie is the only good triplet he carries the show. I hate Della Duck she is the worst mother ever. She abandons her kids for a trill and the writers expect me to be sympathetic. Later Ducktales I'm never watching you again.
@@pidgedidge owl house s1 is meh, s2 however is surprisingly really good and a massive improvement in every way. The characters are written better, there's no filler, the new additions to the cast are fantastically written. Its like the moment disney stopped taking the reins on the series to force in episodes, plots, and make it something it wasn't it became basically a whole other better show. Would recommend it if you have even slight interest in it.
Smiling Friends is honestly one of the few adult animated shows that is not hyper cynical and the characters don't actively go out of their way to fuck eachother over.
Another of my favorite discrimination-based media is Zootopia. It is a movie rather than a TV show (though maybe it could work as a TV show?) but Santa Inc does make me appreciate it all the more. Judy is a good example of how to advocate against discrimination. Unlike Candy, she doesn't complain all the time that people underestimate her, despite being put under the bus after she proves that she can use her skills in a law-enforcing way. She's not perfect, ironically cautious around foxes after one brutally attacks her. She even resigns after she feels she's dealt a major blow to a community's reputation after having come to care about someone in that community, but she helps make things right when given the opportunity. Unlike Candy, Judy's flaws are minor compared to how awesome she can be. They don't simply say "women are discriminated against and that's wrong." They instead show us that we should do our best to break away from our misconceptions and make the world better. That serious analysis aside, what do you think is worse between Glen Martin DDS and this?
Wasn't Judy not discriminated against at all? Her coworkers resented her because there was some kind of diversity initiative, and she got in on that. Once she showed that she didn't need to be a diversity hire, they loved her. It was the predators who were discriminated against by the sneaky sheep politician.
The problem with Zootopia's racism message is that it isn't subtle at all and that it doesn't really work with Prey/Predator dynamics. On one hand you can't really do a "everyone's equal despite our differences" message if on a fundamental level the two groups representing real-life issues are unequal on a fundamental basis, and on the other shoving it down the audience's throat every 5 minutes doesn't help to make the message anymore digestible. The scene where a bunny hugs her kid close to her because a tiger sat next to them is the only one that actually worked because it's the only time where the main theme of the movie wasn't so blatantly shown and told, unlike every other time it did.
One thing here that I realized with one of their theme's of sexism, is that literally all the female characters are part of the stereotypes women get narrowed down to. Just there sexual purposes and bitchy. I can't tell if the writers did that on purpose with the characters, or by accident and just making this more of a dumpster fire.
I've seen so many kid shows that are much more complex and mature than a lot of recent "adult" shows. BTAS and ATLA are two classics that not only stand the test of time, they also treat their audience with respect.
South Park perfected the idea of using swear words as punchline in "It hits the fan" a show where they said shit 160 times and wrote it out 40 times. The point of it was that they rare use of the word made it an occasional good punchline but if that is the basis for your comedy you are flawed. Santa Inc did not learn this lesson from 20 years ago
Concerning stop motion TV, I find it funny so few remember Shaun the Sheep, which is still ongoing, has two movies and was pretty much BBC's 'mascot' for their Xmas marketing this year. No swearing, minimal toilet humour, hell the characters don't even really talk, it's just fun well animated silent comedy thus a great demonstration of stop motion's abilities. People tend to like it when they remember it, but that's always the hurdle it seems.
I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
I really do despise how the Santa was actually trying really hard to be progressive and gave a totally reasonable excuse as to why he wasn't going to allow candi to take over (that speech was so prefect I was almost shocked by the sudden spike in the writing quality only to be deeply disappointed that it was just rendered meaningless)
you know what’s kinda funny about this show? the show constantly shouts at the top of it’s lungs that it cares about women & all white men are sexist, while at the same time, pretty much all of the female characters are unlikable
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that this show was made with a Christmas theme on purpose so that it would get intense backlash from Christians which then the production team could cash in for easy publicity points on Twitter. The whole thing is so cynical and mean spirited that I'm actually willing to believe that. Also, gotta love how even after one month, this show doesn't even have one single critical review in Rotten Tomatoes at all.
Honestly, they have the perfect opportunity to save this show by after Santa giving the elf his explanation, she would say she needs time and spends the next episode questioning her thoughts through all of this and her actions like the murder and it would've end with her in reindeer grave with the blonde guy talking things out and agreed to work together, then she comes back to Santa and confirms that she understands. Showing her taking time to decide to not make the plotwist rushed. We can also have the blonde guy and reindeer girl have a break due to him discovering their first Meetup was sexual harrasment to which the reindeer girl begins to learn how to improve herself. We also couldve have the ginger girl and guy learn to improve themselves as people as well, have the brother or the elf's relatives show some care or actual personality other than a gimmick to truly make this show good or even great.
Man, I love everybody hates chris. It's fun and interesting. I'm glad people are starting to talk and reference it. I thought I was the only person who watches that show.
Cheers, me too. Steve Reviews also did one on it, and he has even more, new reasons why it's terrible garbage. He has some interesting takes on how the show almost had some good ideas and then fucked them the fuck up. I'd recommend for the schadenfreude.
I like to think of it like this: Racism is a result, not a motivation. When you use it as a character trait, it feels false because evil is rarely done for evil's sake.
Ironically a character in this show that I actually thought could have been interesting if given actual depth and character, is Junior. The story of a guy who's a self-centered popular dickhead because his dad became one and wanted him to live up to him so it ruined him, is legit interesting and could have been good if done right. (Look at Bojack for an example of how to do something along those lines right) I actually would have preferred he was the main character instead of Candy if he was well written. But no character in this show is because the writers were shit.
This could easily be a Grinch story where this "protagonist" realizes that Christmas isn't about the identity politics. Maybe Christmas means so much more
Coming from a stop-motion fan like most others who are actually aware of the genre (of a medium that is animation), I don’t know what’s worse. Hell and Back, or this, or Glenn Martin DDS by Nickelodeon and the (former) evil Disney CEO Michael Eisner?
Arthur Christmas did this sooooooo much better also why the fuck wasn’t amazon the villain? It was such a perfect setup! Candy could’ve come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t santa and begins helping devin and then the original black santa who defected to amazon could’ve come back as a twist villain. It was so close!
For once I wanna see a joke where the setup has you convinced that it’s gonna be “they say one thing and then the opposite thing happens” but then the punchline is that everything they said really happened
As awful as this show is, that scene with Santa being genuinely mature in his reasoning on why he didn't pick Candy for the role shows that SOMEONE on the writing team had talent. But instead of letting us have a sincere moment, they doubled down on the "everybody sucks" angle and didn't do more than that. It feels like they could've made a good show but didn't for some reason
I think Axe Cop possibly fits that box, It was written by a five year old, but it’s one of the best imaginative I’ve seen. I repeat, a five year old wrote this and it’s better when compared to the adults who want Yelena Belova to talk about her castrated uterus, like it’s normal. P.S. there’s also King of the Hill, which is way more mature and it does it without constantly swearing in your face to get the joke.
I'm imagining a situation where a character who is kind is basically stuck in a Family Guy/Robot Chicken-esque reality where everybody's a dickhead, and their whole goal is to actually try to make their world a better place while everybody else just does the same cynical edgy scktick.
"Sarah Silverman was miscast" No, you're mistaken. Sarah Silverman is perfect for Candy, since she herself is essentially Silverman with the mask off. She wasn't miscast, she's too well cast, and that's why she's awful.
I know you made this comment a year ago, but I'm glad someone else said it. I don't know why anyone likes Silverman. Not only is she not a good comedian, she went full hog in on this "oppression" nonsense to hide her own incompetence.
@@ForeverLaxx I still remember that YT Award show where Norm MacDonald made fun of Sarah for talking in "Commie gobbleygook" and you could see Sarah doing her best to not rage on camera.
The only recent example of "and then the opposite happens" working is in Spiderverse where one of the spidermen says "there's no way it's that easy" and cut to "it was that easy," and I think that it's because the joke wasn't just "and then the opposite happens," more so the setup was the overly complex heist plan that is common in cartoons that requires way to much to go right, a character from a separate universe where this wouldn't happen pointing out how implausible it is, but then it goes exactly as planned, so it is more "and then the opposite of the opposite happens," which is unique in a way.
27:54 When I heard this, I had immediately thought of that one scene from Courage the Cowardly Dog, where Eustace says "i ain't getting outta this chair," and he never does. The genius of how he repeats that line whenever a stressful situation comes on is amazing. What Courage does in terms of its own form of comedy, is changing the game with the show's spin on simple cliches, such as aliens from outer space or being stranded on an island, and expand on that concept indefinitely. Also, much like with that scene you showed earlier in the video with Aunty Donna's Big House of Fun, the joke is unexpected by luring in the audience thinking, "Oh, this character is going to say something or do something different from what they have originally done or said," but easily catches the audience member off guard, as the length in which the audience continues to wait for the punchline, only to receive it in a unique form in which they did not expect. Santa Inc. tries to attempt this, but rather than setting up a punchline or cliche in which the characters could respond to, such as in 23:51, they use shock value ineffectively in order to get a "dark humor" chuckle out of an audience member. Considering that I watched this entire thing with friends who are fans of some forms of dark humor, like the web series Cyanide & Happiness, we all agreed they pushed it too far. With what Candy said, considering that this is the first episode of the series and we should have know more about her before she made this right field statement, it was out of nowhere, with no warning, barely any reason for such wording/phrasing of the statement, and does not add anything to the plot or attempt to move it forward. I am a huge fan of yours, and I think that this video perfectly encapsulates the stupid, unfunny attempt at comedy and storytelling this show gives us. A waste of time, money, and a shame to what stop-motion animation has become in our current generation.
I like how you brought up the topic of "casual discrimination" which doesn't always stem from a place of malice, but a place of ignorance and while well-meaning still causes tension. Today people would like things to be so black and white (I'm sticking with that) that there isn't any concept that someone would do something that falls under stereotyping or insensitivity that isn't immediately attributed to hatred. Some people make mistakes, they might be inexperienced and come from very tightly knit communities that doesn't interact with others outside of it often and therefore they don't pick up on social cues or fully understand where or how to approach a given person or situation outside of that. It isn't always fueled by blatant racism, it's sometimes just someone that doesn't know any better and someone has to explain things to them and not attack them for it.
Or, people simply don't care and are fine talking to each other. That's what communication is all about. To be hung up on rigid social cues sounds exhausting and domineering when concepts like the KISS Principle exists (keep it simple stupid). It isn't that people are "racist" or "ignorant". It's just how people have been talking to one another for thousands of years and haven't gone to hell in a handbasket. I'm a minority myself and I could care less how others speak to me in a certain way. I don't subscribe to that "being offended" crap anymore.
@@donutbevil9669 This isn't an "or" I wasn't presenting some kind of alternative or something, i was saying that people have a knee-jerk reaction today and are more prone to wanting to be combative than communicate effectively with each other and create bridges. They'd rather have an adversary because that's simple and straight-forward, but that's not how it works in real life. While we are both minorities and neither of us takes particular offense when someone throws anything out there, especially when it seems innocent in its intent, I understand why people would find it hard to ignore. Which is why I presented the idea that it would be better to fill someone in than attack them for a mistake, because then what would they do? They'd ether fall apart or go on the defensive and either one is terrible outcome for someone that had no intent of doing wrong. It IS true that offense is taken, not given. You can always let stuff run down your back. Also, KISS is a design and problem solving principle. Social interactions are anything BUT simplistic, no matter what it is you're doing. People could just not care so much, but that's not really simplifying it.
@@Gakusangi That depends. The circles I mingle in simply don't care and talk about stuff just fine. Even jokes are fair game. If it isn't genuine, malicious harm, then what's the point or even the problem? Getting nagged on or to badger only irritates and frustrates people (which only makes them less receptive). To "educate" them implies they aren't smart enough to figure out themselves what is and isn't offensive, or inappropriate. We're talking about young to fully grown adults. That just seems reductive. Let their character speak for itself. I know a white guy who's rude and uncouth. I also know a black guy who's the same. We hang out together just fine and they're my neighbors. The thing that people seem to forget is that one single flaw doesn't define a person, and you can probably find similar sentiments from other people you know. We're not a monolith or a hive mind. Everyone is just people. It's this current narrative that seems to be expecting that we act perfect and utopian to fulfill some arbitrary notion of virtue. I used to hear that kind of rhetoric from diehard evangelicals in the past (before their past detractors adopted their worst tactics).
Thats exactly why Im so confused about these "diversety" people wanting to segregate (it was on some college, f me if I can remember whitch one), like, segregation just breeds more racism/ignorance
@@comradesam3382 That's pretty much the plan. They don't actually want equality. They never did since they realized that division is more profitable until they can milk it for all it's worth.
I have to say, with the topic of swearing comedy, I think if your joke needs to be "the character said the swear!" You could at least have it be a character very against swearing using the worst swear insult they can think of, or have them try to think of a bad swear insult and end up saying what every kindergartner thinks is the worst swear word, because then you can use the comedy of the character trying to think of a swear and failing, or do the whole shock thing where it subverts your expectations.
Robot Chicken nailed this with Emperor Palpatine. He’s all calm and formal and polite, but once his nerves wear down he loses his shit like an angry manager at the office. In fact that’s what made a lot of their Star Wars skits so funny: they apply normal Earthly behaviors and workplace relationships to Star Wars, and it’s some of the funniest shit I’ve ever seen. The Emperor’s Phone Call is easily one of my favorite pieces of comedy ever.
In the Guardians of Gahool book series (the one with the owls) the writer established one in-universe swear word as the absolute foulest word someone could say and practically made it the most uptight character's catchphrase. Granted it was more a character moment against banned books but it's still kinda funny she swore like a sailor after that.
This lack of nuance is the exact reason I fall out of favor with most CW shows. They often have interesting stories but I get hit over the head with what they consider “social commentary” that it’s genuinely upsetting. Not that I have a problem with what it’s saying on it’s own but it just does it so poorly it’s more like unintentional comedy.
Stop motion has so MUCH potential for really good story telling and comedy. Seeing such an amazing form of animation being used for the same old boring adult schlock makes me upset. Shows and movies like the shivering truth and so many more get swept under the rug, most if not all of stop motion has been turned into it. It’s saddening really.
ironic from Seth "you are all supremacists" rogan having nothing but stereotypes on his "show" is almost like Hollywood is full of projecting hypocrites
Honestly, I think it would have made for a much more interesting story for Candy to basically become so toxic in her beliefs and goals that she basically drives away all of her friends, ultimately resulting in someone she has nothing against getting severely hurt due to her actions. Seeing this, Candy runs away in fear of what she’s done and realizing what she’s become. Cut to her in her room several weeks later. Her mother comes in to try and console her over everything that’s happened, before asking her why she *really* wanted the job. Was it because she thought she could do better, or because she wanted the fame and recognition despite not having the one quality that makes Santa Santa- A genuine connection with children. Then, to Candy’s surprise, Santa shows up. Candy asks why Santa is here after everything she’s done, and Santa tells her ‘Candy, what you did was incredibly selfish, stupid and immature. However, I wouldn’t be worthy of my position as Santa if I couldn’t forgive you and give you a second chance. I meant what I said before: You’re the best person to run the company, but not to be Santa. The position is still available if you want it, because I genuinely believe you’re the best person to run this business. I won’t lie to you: It won’t be easy starting off. You have a *lot* to make right, but I believe you have the fortitude to fix your mistakes and apologize. What do you say?’ Candy pauses, then stands up and holds her hand forward. ‘Mr. Kringle, you’ve got yourself a deal!’
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Santa's whole thing is being nice to kids. She isn't nice to kids, so she isn't a good fit as Santa, so he rejects her. And yet... she's supposed to be in the right here? Why does she even want to be Santa if she hates children?!
That right there might be what I hate most about this show. That moment could have been turned into a great "meaning of Christmas" bit.
It could have been a unique spin on the whole "commercialization/corporatizing of Christmas" plotline, focusing on how this has resulted in people no longer seeing Christmas as a time of hope and happiness and togetherness, in particular no longer seeing Santa as a representation of those ideals but as a corporate icon/symbol of white power.
Candy could go for the Santa position thinking only in those corporate/white man terms, initially succeed on the business side of things, only to start failing as her bitter heart fails to make anybody happy or hopeful, let alone kids. At this point she learns what Christmas and being Santa are really about... and she returns the position to the former Santa or gives it to someone else since she just isn't that kind of person, nor can she even be (at least not without a lot of introspection and work). Maybe even old Santa starts being a bit more jolly and nice after Candy's experiences give him a gentle reminder of what Christmas means to so many people...
That was the perfect moment to redeem this show and turn it around into an excellent Christmas message... and they ruined it.
...... But to answer your question, she doesn't see Santa as an inspiration to children and important Christmas figure, she only sees him as a white man in power for her to topple. That's why she wants to become Santa despite hating children.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 I think the worst thing about the premise now that I think about it more is - what's Candy going to do if she topples Santa? She hates kids. Kids are what Santa is known for.
Santa Clause in The Santa Clause 3 (and this is coming from a big fan of its predecessors): *knocks down the Christmas tree so it can break into pieces resulting Mrs. Clause to sob uncontrollably though to be Frank, she was overworking her along with her parents… Say, if Santa’s in-laws can come and visit the North Pole, then so could Mrs.’s! (I get that it was an accident, but shouldn’t the movie use Christmas magic so it can fix itself up again?)*
Santa Claus in Santa Inc: *just does his job that makes him Santa even though he certainly doesn’t feel completely like one as much as he feels like Cartoon Seth Rogen*
Yeah, I think the former Santa is worse because of flanderization, yet the latter was treated like he was worse than every Nazi and slave owner, so “politically correct” my balls!
@Insult to the Human Race
Forget hiring tons of writers for a season 2, they just need random RUclips commenters
@@eatatjoes6751 run them over with the sleigh and call them racial slurs
The fact the writers tried to make Santa unlikable and failed to the point where he is the only likable character in the show is just... Wow...
I think it's funny
Did RUclips remove my comment? Well, here I go retyping it I guess.
I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
@@user-jl7cz2pe6d and then Seth rogen complain nobody watching his stupide show and say where all whitesupremaciste
Reminds me of the new guy meme
@@guyferrari8124 perfect analogy, its exactly like it. Woke asshole doesn't like the one sensible, friendly person in the room for made up crap, tries to make them out to be the bad guy, ends up becoming the real asshole.
"From the creator's of Sausage Party"
That makes A LOT of sense. This is basically a cartoon that they felt they had to add a lot of swears and edgelord humor just to give it its MA rating. And that's it.
The Webb-Telescope, it has started and now sends Data. Science is expecting epic things from this Data...
True. And Sausage Party is horrible, one of the worst movies I've ever watched, if not the worst. This Santa Inc show is just like that.
I didn't really like that movie too much to be honest. I get why people like it but I think it's okay. Seriously try to make a show that is mature in ways beyond crude jokes and constant F bomb drops in it to get that MA rating.
And to think I actually liked Sausage Party and was wanting to gonna see it at the cinema!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if the creators are thinking too much about fame?
As a woman who works extremely hard to succeed, Candy effing PISSES ME OFF. It’s goddamned HARD to get noticed at work anymore and you’re more likely to get fired for budgeting reasons or even no REAL reason at all than moved up anywhere these days. Half the time your boss doesn’t even know who you are.
Candy’s boss not only knows who she is, but he NOTICES her. He takes note of her strengths and weaknesses, he watches her perform, he admires her talent and the things she can do and he takes EVERYTHING into consideration. And when he makes his final choice, he explains that while it’s not exactly what she wants, it’s exactly where she fits the best, where she’ll do the most good for the company, and why this role is more important than simply BEING Santa. She’s the one who won’t be seen, yes, but she’ll be the one getting shit done, making sure Christmas gets off the ground successfully every year. The company will effectively rely on her. And he decided this BECAUSE he saw what she was good at and what she wasn’t so good at and because he wanted to make sure she knew her true worth and value to the company.
And she gets offended by this! Candy you dumbass, do you know how many women AND men would give anything for their bosses to take that kind of interest in them??? Screw this brat.
You should write a book
@@SynthpoptroubadourI’ve considered it lol
Ok i know you're enraged with the hellish writting of this show, but like, i really loved how expressive (and charismatic) your choice of words is.
It really engaged me, it felt like you was one of those fun youtubers you find at 3am that simply talk bout random things cause they fell like it and, you know, make their interests fun to hear about and you look onto it a bit too?
Ye random comparision lol but really, very cool writing
I’ll never understand how “adult humor” always falls into the pit of elementary school level jokes that wouldn’t even get a chuckle from a 13 year old
...well, back then, because it was new.
Now it's because people have brains the size of pickles.
As a 14 year old, south park is still pretty funny i think
Bad writers confuse being adult and not being allowed as a PG rating too much when it comes to comedy
@@armageddongirl612 You are not 14 you have a Homestuck pfp
@@Terranallias18 ...why does my homestuck pfp exclude me being 14 years old?
You know you failed when the antagonist you're supposed to hate is more likeable than the protagonist you're supposed to like.
Reminds me of what happened with rwby and ironwood
@@RC.- the concept is still over used
And with alot of laziness like in this show
@@BioMega96 "shit, people like our antagonist and think he's making more sense than our protagonist. Better have him start murdering people!"
@@adriannaranjo4397 "also lets get our protagonists practically give the mcguffins to the antagonist while leaving a whole bunch of civilians in a monster infested desert, Genius"
@@BioMega96 Yeah
You know, wanting to be Santa despite not liking children suggests Candy is only looking to elevate her corporate status, not that she loves what she does. Imagine a Santa that doesn't care about the kids and only wants to complete a job. In a fun holiday special like the ones this show is parodying, that would usually be seen as a _bad thing._
she's literally the best villain for a children's Christmas special, someone who does the job for attention not passion
Another pretty good example of a stop-motion episode that tackles discrimination with humour is the episode of Moral Orel called “God’s Blunders”. It portrays the way disabled children are patronized really well while also retaining the show’s campy and satirical sense of adult humour. Also season three of that show was a freaking masterpiece.
THANK YOU I was looking for a comment abt Moral Orel, because that show is absolutely incredible in many aspects, ESPECIALLY with how they can get their point across without slaughtering their humor
I wish they would have gotten the greenlight for season 4. The show was so good.
Where can I watch it?
@@abba9265 I think most of the episodes are on RUclips but some of the music has been removed due to copyright. It’s a shame because some of the song choices are so good and I think it really enhances the show. The official episodes are on Adult Swim’s website if you have cable.
Unpacking morel Orel talks about the Flanderisarisation of characters… when you have such Transparent aims and no joke subtleties that’s what happens to your characters this is what happens to them, then nobody cares about your themes and plots, plus it’s not funny. morel Orel is a masterpiece
I laugh at how Seth Rogen was calling people who didn’t like the show white supremacists. Meanwhile, the show itself is basically filled with so many stereotypes, that it would make Adam Sandler look at you weirdly.
Hot damn you right
Putting Seth Rogen in the same tier as Adam Sandler is an insult to Adam Sandler.
Never trust anyone with the sence of humor and mentality of a stoned 12 year old.
What Adam Sandler do?
@@llo3755 In his movies there are a lot of stereotypes but atleast he doesnt go around acting like hes enlightened
*Let's be honest here:* _Aardman,_ _Laika,_ and _Rankin Bass_ are the three horsemen of stop-motion animation.
Stop Motion in General is so underused despite taking alot of effort and passion, that’s why this show is so insulting to the animators who wasted Hours on a Crappy script
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 I haven't really see the show but I already tell that it's gonna be bad.
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 I feel like there's so much potential in a stop-motion animated horror movie or series. Stop-motion to me has a creepy vibe that no other types of Animation can pull off.
Gumby
@@kittykittybangbang9367 I think the Addams Family would benefit from a stop motion film. It can help push the goth esthetic.
Santa: you can't have a job with children if you hate children
A lot of teachers: 🗿
You're confusing cause and effect
No no, he's got a point.
Teachers are sus, don't trust a teacher with a kid alone.
@@ghoulbuster1 What are you talking about? About 50% of US teachers have kids of their own at home.
Bet that number would go up even more if we counted the kids that aren't theirs.
@@leobriccocola8141 eh, people who like kids a lot, are going to get jobs where they can be around kids more often
also some creeps aren't willing to hurt their own children, they would rather go after other kids
27:52 One of the most memorable jokes for me from, of all things, the Ducktales reboot. Scrooge and the gang were in the Himalayas, and, when Louie saw the size of the mountains, he said that he wasn't going to climb anything. He literally just hung out at the resort spa with his friend Launchpad for the entire episode. It was amazing.
Based Es profile pic
@@yourverybestfriend1263 agreed
Ah, yes, the most unexpected joke.
Saying something and then actually doing it.
Funny thing about Santa's successor; what you described is exactly the way "Arthur Christmas" ends. Santa's son Steve was supposed to be the next Santa and he was already the brains behind the operation, but then everyone realized that his brother Arthur had more of the heart for it. So they made Arthur the next Santa and Steve was content to support him with his organizational skills behind the scenes. Now "Santa Inc." Santa has the exact same idea with his employees and he's treated as unfair for it. We have regressed in maturity in the past 10 years.
I say it's more of entertainment maturity of Hollywood or the industry in general. It's obvious that audiences are wanting more stuff like bojack horseman for mature comedy animations that aren't another huckleberry or family guy. It's also the fact that they write characters like candy so cynical and mean spirited that is unbearable. That's how I see it atleast
That's the woke mentality these days. If they don't get all of it, no matter how impractical it is, then they get mad. Entitlement, is what I believe it's called.
@@rhyscallinan3680 What does "woke" mean?
@@mmgmagic So it's basically just an ad hominem fallacy?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Originally it meant being someone who woke up to all the inequality if the world and chose to change it. But soon it became warped and now it's being used by people to virtue signal and be hypocritical. For example, they'll go after people for things they've said or done years ago while they themselves do worse things. Dave Chappelle made jokes about everybody, everyone laughed until he went to the trans jokes. People (admittedly few but loud) tried to force him to apologise and he refused. Most if the trans community were fine with it. And when Dave's friend and mentor, a trans woman, tried to defend him, they hounded her to suicide. Everything they see is "problematic" and needs to be changed. Anybody doing anything is bad. Can't tell jokes without them wanting you to die.
“Moral Orel” is literally the prime example that you don’t have to make the characters swear a lot in order to actually tell a good story.
And I’m actually flabbergasted that it wasn’t mentioned in this video
It's so sad that Moral Orel got canceled and was treated horribly by the network
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Mike Lazzo didn't like it, thought it got too serious lmao. I'm sure he's also the reason adult swim didn't pick up korgoth of barbaria
I was wondering why that show wasn't brought up. Maybe since it's a bit older? I can't remember when it was on tv; i only know i saw the tail end of the show and reruns once i knew of its existence
I was honestly waiting for it to be mentioned the whole time ngl
Yeah that show is good.
I appreciate you being accurate with the example from everybody hates chris. So many people just throw characters like her as being one-note "racist because funny" arguements around, rather than trying to show what such character's points are. Your addition of "ignorance trumps maliciousness" fits very well with the old quote as well "never attribute maliciousness to that which can be explained through incompetence"
Didn't Trump prove narcissism and ignorance will turbo charge malice! That we should assume that ignorance can double down into malice?
Or maybe Daniel, you can shut the fuck up about your political opinions and let the op talk! Even if you hate trump, to try and down play his point with someone you don’t like is just as stupid as trying to say that cookies prove that pastries are unhealthy across the board, like dude. Nobody’s saying you have to dick ride Big bubble trunk trump, what he is saying is that not all people who are ignorant are trying to be malicious to a person or group of people, which is a great point that has substance to it, politics don’t HAVE to be a part of it. In fact by doing this, you are showing yourself to being just as bad as the people who made Santa inc. Folks who put politics and topics in things that don’t need those things forcibly inserted in them and end up alienating everyone who just want to talk and discuss the topic at hand which, in this case, is how people can sometimes not understand how harmful or uninformed a statement can be, even when they have the purest of intentions. People like you(Including those of the opposite side of the spectrum) need to chill out and realize that you don’t have to make everything a political debate and you don’t need to do that to disprove a point.
TL;DR
Don’t shove your political views onto something that doesn’t require it, as it makes you look like an ass
@@csmead209 No, Trump proved that some people can’t get over their obsession with one man whose term in office only saw improvements for the lives of Americans
But seriously, y’all need to get over him.
@@csmead209 ive seen people double down from ignorance to malice. people want to believe what they already know and when people try to help them understand they decide that they made their mind and ignore it
yeah yeah wyite people bad blacks gods that can no wrong
As someone who worked as customer support for the platform this was streaming on... I can confirm. People HATED it. It wasn't until I went back and checked it out that I realized that all of those heated emails were completely justified. I usually say "hate the creator, not the streaming platform" when people hate on shows/movies that are streaming.... But this one.. This one never should have left the discussion boardroom and NOBODY should have streamed it. Ever. Absolutely awful.
Tbh hating the platform is entirely justified. NOT hating the customer support people who have no say in the matter. But a platform (and the people who decide what is shown on a platform) is responsible for giving bad/offensive/distasteful shows a "platform" where they can be seen. When a platform adds a show to its catalogue, it basically endorses that show and its message
The fact Santa Inc. has around the same review score as High Guardian Spice says a lot about what audiences are willing to put themselves through nowadays
High Guardian Spice was awful on every level but it’s a different kind of atrocious: HGS had a *few* good characters (even if they’re dragged down by being attached to such a dreadful series) and a germ of an idea of what they wanted, even if they face-planted on what was actually released, the absense of worldbuilding at anything more than a basic level, and is a pure failure on even a technical level, but Santa Inc. is just pure malicious intent for itself, its audience, and everyone else in between, without any redeemable value to it whatsoever. Between this and The Prince, which is easily worse but I digress, seeing the words “HBO Max original” and “adult animation” in the same sentence will lead to “avoid it like a flesh-eating virus” with about the same level of basic kindergarten logic of 1+1=2.
@@ThatRandomEncounterGuy HGS major problem that its boring and its written by fanfic writer. While Santa Inc. major problem is its tried to be edgy buts ends up being cringe and looks like its written by a 12 year old edgelord.
HGS: Boring and Fanfiction like
Santa Inc.: Cringe and Edgelord wet dream
To fill the heart shape void created by 2020 and 2021, we’ve resorted to masochism
Hgs feels almost naive on what makes an anime , like is purely ignorant coupled with a very rocky production, but i can see some little kid talking fondly about it 10 years from now cus he knew no better and watched it.
But Santa Inc is just innecesary mean, pandering , but worse than all, is boring, which is probably the worse ínsult people like Seth Rogen and Sarah Silverman could get
@@devilishprime1987 Wait... what's so wrong with fanfiction? Fanfiction can be just as well written and can take just as much effort as any regular written work.
The only thing that comes to mind that does the whole "girl gets put down by sexist coworker" trope right was Aggretsuko. Retsuko didn't want to become a girlboss who breaks glass ceilings, she just wanted to leave her shitty life behind.
I love that series! Ironically Retsuko is more of a feminist character than Candy.
Retsuko was amazing and made me actually cry
@@cupio-stardust And she was made by Sanrio, the makers of Hello Kitty.
Aggretsuko is surprisingly mature for something so cutesy.
Aggretsuko portrays this perfectly
I genuinely hope all of the animators of this go on to work on bigger, greater things, because I can’t imagine going through life with Santa Inc. being the only notable job on your resume.
there's irony in santa being the only dimensional, likeable character, and everyone else being dimensionless, hateful and negative personalities
If only he was actually portrayed as a good guy
Me hearing Santa Inc. is universally hated: "How bad could it be?"
Me having watched the trailer: "That looks like a compilation of everything wrong with 'adult' animation."
How sad is it that this kind of ‘adult’ animation is the most juvenile thing anyone can think of?
@@MariusWales it's made more noticeable that it came out just a month after Arcane. Which is not only the POLAR opposite and should be venerated as an example of what adult animation is capable of, but it's also, at most, a hard PG-13 instead of R that most seem to go for.
@@MariusWales I find it interesting that "adult" animation is often more juvenile than animation made for children, more so for children back in the 90s and early 2000s. Its like taking the limit off of the rating breaks something that kept creators from being...creative or something.
@@MariusWales I know right? How are the shows that are even meant to be catered towards children currently somehow even more mature overall then these types of shows along with covering mature topics better then the shows that are LITERALLY MADE for adults?! Imagine trying to compare this show to Amphibia for example, oh wait, I can't because the comparison is NONEXISTENT.
Adult animation has got it all backwards! Just keep on thinking of and watching shows like Invincible or Primal to escape the sea of childish immaturity that Adult animation has been making of itself... It's almost like the people they get to create these shows are in reality just whiny, immature children themselves, weird huh?🙄 They're made like immature shows because they're made by immature people, simple as that.
The funny thing is I've heard that when adds are made for movies or shows, they use the best scenes to spice it up. Meaning the add for Santa Inc has the best it has to offer and still failed.
"Candy is the worst protagonist ever and I would gladly punt kick her into the stratosphere if given the chance"
Hey, dont short-change yourself my guy. Thats only our second layer, aim for the Exosphere!
Remember when the worst characters were the ones that were annoying? Ffs, can't we go back in that time?!
@@tiruliru1189 There was a time the world hated Navi, announcing she was one of the worst video game characters ever. What simple, naive children we were.
@@vocalcalibration8033 To quote Thanos: _"Perhaps I've treated you too harshly."_
Forget Exosphere, PUNT HER TO PLUTO!
the sun is a good target.
Surprised no one's brought up Moral Oral, an actually good stop motion adult animated series.
I'm convinced the reason Candy and her family are so unlikeable yet still portrayed in the right is due to the projection from Seth and Sarah.
I will never forget seth rogen especially how he poorly treated his animators on sausage party for working overtime with no pay and then threatening to blacklist them when they try to speak out about it
That actually happened?
@@nendymion yep it was actually huge news in the animantion community back in 2016
@@Pretzelcoatlus
Easy there dude. Don't throw around words like that around, your devaluing the meaning of them.
Actually it was one of the co-directors, Greg Tiernan, who blackmailed those animators into working overtime.
Why am I not surprised?
I absolutely love how everyone in the world is unifying and coming together to say this show is utter shit.
Even Rotten Tomato thinks the show sucks it only got a 4% how many shows you know have that low of a score
@@animezilla4486 not even the critics are coming out to save the show... That's how bad it is lmao
@@wesxd5292 yeah that also caught me off-guard this is the first time in history where everybody is on the agreement The Santa Inc is the worst show to ever exist it
And according to Seth Rogen, we’re all racist.😐
A Christmas miracle!
The way to pull off the "trash a hotel room" joke would be to have her say "hell yeah, I can do that! I'll leave my used towels on the bathroom floor, I will take a robe home in my luggage, I will refill the empty minibar with water and put the bottles back!" Then the comedy would come from how tame her concept of trash a hotel room is and hence be humorous and set a baseline so that increasing crudeness could then mark a character development to the negative throughout the series
I called it. Not even watching clips of this show, I just knew Santa is one of the best characters in this show, simply because everyone is just more unlikeable than him. He also actually drives the plot, has actual depth and personality, and shows that he could be humanized. It's very ironic that this show, including high guardian spice, their best characters are men
I like how in canon there’s a slur for reindeer (caribou) and then the girlboss protagonist owns a sexist reindeer character by hitting him with a car then leaving his dying body after calling him said slur
Aren't caribou real?
@@microwave8931 yeah, I can only assume it’s written like a racist jab along the lines of “they all look the same”
What's supposed to be a "How do you like them apples?" sentiment fell flat on its face.
@@Kumaclaws The people who wrote this belong to an ideological/political group that sees nothing wrong with reacting to offensive words with violence and more offensive words.
@@Kumaclaws except they're the SAME F*CKING THING, a caribou is a reindeer. Caribou is just what they're called in north America, while reindeer is more European in origin
It's quite interesting to me, that Candy is so unlikeable, when Reagan from Inside Job exhibits much of the same character traits and is arguably one of the most likeable protagonists of adult animation. It all comes down to intention, writing and execution. Reagan feels entitled to be the CEO, because she DOES deserve to be the CEO. She's rude and can be a dick because she struggles with social interactions. There is so much to her that makes her a genuinely relatable and 3 dimensional character. Sometimes I really wonder why people think that these corporate dumpster fires could ever impress anyone, when there is clearly NO passion, NO good intentions and NO effort put into it.
You know you made a good comment when you only get likes and no replies, good observation
i believe that the difference that it works or not, it's if the writers KNOW they are doing a as*hole character, so they deal with the pros and cons of that personality and also know why are they like that. this tv show, doesn't acknowledge that at all.
Or they do, in a very weird way
@@Bombonribon oh man, you're missing out though, gravity falls was awesome. but everything comes down to personal taste. i actually don't like watching rick and morty at all, since i really don't enjoy how malicious the humor is to it's characters sometimes. but i found myself enjoying inside job a lot. i didnt personally relate to any of the characters, but Reagan and Brett just feel very human
@@Bombonribon that's valid!
No, lots of work went into it. That work wasnt in the writing, but in the animation. Stop motion is hard, people!
The worst part of Santa Inc. is that the concept works. Like, it's such a good concept: Santa needs a successor, and people at the North Pole are scrabbling to nab that place. I want a show with this idea.
At least, a _good_ show.
Ikr
*I KNOW, RIGHT.* The concept works, the stop motion is needlessly good...but the writing *sucks.*
Let me suggest the show, Succession. No Santa stuff but the premise is similar
if you do want a good movie with this concept look up Arthur Christmas its pretty fun
You just perfectly described a lot about what irks me about “adult animation.” Instead of mature themes, using the higher rating to tell a deeper story with darker themes through the beautiful medium of animation, they make middle and grade school humor about sex, swearing and nudity. Swearing isn’t funny, the surprise of swearing is funny. Sex does not equal joke. We are adults, not middle schoolers. It rubs me like the children’s equivalent of butt and fart jokes. It’s not funny and gets old real quick.
Just balance them
To be fair, we have been getting more of mature and deeper story types of adult animation that's not anime. Like invincible and primal.
@@napoleonwells7552 just balance them
@@napoleonwells7552 harley quinn 2019
honestly people swar so much those day its not even funny or surprising
Given that Seth and Sarah both blame the failure of the show (and of themselves) on "wHiTe SuPrEmAcY", very clearly they don't want to admit their flaws and strive to do/be better writers/people.
Its a stupid excuse to attempt to skirt any responsibility, but this is the real kicker...Seth and Sarah are both white themselves so how does their statement MAKE ANY SENSE.
Cause when you fail at something...
Blame everyone by saying they are "Sexist", "Racist", "Homophobic", etc.
@@Ergeniz They're probably pulling the "Jewish is non-white when it suits us" card.
But either way, they both really need to look into a mirror, given all of the things that they said about black people by proxy of this disaster of a show.
This is the worst thing Sarah Silverman has done since kissing a twelve year old boy on the lips.
@@MariusWales why would she do that??
As a stopmotion animator, this one REALLY hurts.
They wasted the animators on the hands of incompetent Idiots and the fact Seth Rogen blamed White Supremacists on the shows failure is so stupid and sad, that it makes for the only funny joke he has ever said in his entire career
Stop-motion is sacred :(
Fr dude
Your animation looks great.
Stop-motion usually has very high standards when it comes to animation.
That is the case with Will Vinton/LAIKA (except for Boxtrolls and Missing Link (I get that even non-fans of ML would strongly enjoy its visuals, but it has its gross-out moments and compared to previous stop-motion films, I think it looks decent at most), I think that movie is gross. Don’t @ me. I can have my opinion just like y’all can have yours.), Aardman, Tim Burton, Henry Selick, Ray Harryhausen, Wes Anderson, King Kong (the 1933 version has racist and sexist stereotypes towards women and foreigners like Native Americans. But does Santa Inc. care like it thinks? NO!) and Rankin-Bass.
But even stop-motion can just be plain creepy when it falls in the wrong hands like Santa Inc.
The worst part is the stop motion looks pretty good just watching the clips with no sounds this looks like it would be a good show those poor animators didn’t deserve this
I’m glad that Buddy Thunderstruck got even a little recognition, that show barely gets talked about and for a kids show, it’s pretty hilarious.
Stuff like this always fascinates me. You have an entire team of writers, animators, sculptors and whatnot who spend months and months working on something like this; And not a single one of them looked at what they’re doing and thought:
“Hmmm, maybe we shouldn’t make our protagonist some entitled, narcissistic misandry little monster that steps on and manipulates people and only wants to be the new Santa because ‘I AM WOOMAN! HERE ME ROAR!’”
Or
“Maybe we shouldn’t go so far out of our way to paint an icon of childhood innocence like Santa Claus as some evil misogynistic douchebag all because he’s a guy and nothing else”.
Like I get satire and parody and all of that, but they only made themselves look like assholes in the end.
Pretty sure there were plenty of people who thought that, but nobody who was in a position to do anything about it.
This is partially the biggest problem with Rwby as a late but they( Rooster Teeth) are a lot more subtle about it
@@switchtheflip9422 I am not even sure that many people were aware of the problem, sometimes work is so compartimetalized, it wouldn't surpise me animator and scuptor had no idea how bad the character were.
Thats a pretty good observation, I kinda wanna see a "making of"
Yea how did no one question this
The most baffling thing for me in this show is that they gave Santa a legit reason to pass over candy. However the inner cynic in me realize that they didn't intend for it to be seen as legit.
The scene they wanted to make was clearly Candy being passed over for a white male who is no where near as skilled as her. However, Santa had already been established as wanting a progressive replacement for PR purposes. So for Santa to do this, he would need a reason. Candy would need to be genuinely bad at one aspect of the job. But at the same time, it had to be an aspect of the job that is very minor. Like firing a baker because he can't make Alfredo pasta.
They treat santa's relationship with children to be a minor part of the job. Never mind that it was the desire to help children that STARTED the whole concept of Santa. Or the fact that Santa is one of the few imaginary things parents say is real, for the sake of their kids happiness. It doesnt matter, Children are a minor role in job that is Santa.
At least, thats what the show says.
Which begs the question of what they think Santa does.
@@eatatjoes6751 Given that this is written by two people who have openly hated on the Christian ideals of Christmas in the past... They don't want Santa to do or represent anything meaningful. Because Santa represents something they abhore.
Santa makes children and their childhoods happy, and Christ himself has said the sinless innocence of a child is something sacred... Something that should never be tarnished.
It makes sense they'd be so angry a holiday about the birth of Christ, and the innocence and salvation it represents.
Mathew 18:6
"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
@@soggybreadman4035 they are literally the toxic part of any religion that zealously hates on any religion, even though most religions that aren't cults promote peace and unity (yes, including Judaism). They are what give religion in general a bad name, and I'm not even religious, I'm just looking at the facts
@@ntfoperative9432 there will always be fanatics and pharisees in every belief system.
@@Rinesmyth pretty much all stuff that involved a community have (at least one) extremist
The modern definition of "adult animation" for the most part is just middle-schooler humour branded as 'adult humour.'
I'm a middle schooler and I love that humor
Hearing that Seth Rogen is calling detractors of this show "nazis" or something like that is just... Wow.
How unfortunate, I thought he was better than that. Made me lose a lot respect for him.
Wait, Seth ROGEN?
Yes
I realised something, listening to this.
Santa had someone lined up to be a replacement for his personal benefit. Over time, he came to realise that his original choice was far from the best for the position, and instead turned to someone who actually had the necessary skills to do the job.
They made a girlboss story and cast the 'girl' as the undeserving rival, somehow.
And yet we have to side with her.
Honestly a company would gladly do that to a man as well. If you don’t have the guts for a role then you don’t. It’s not sexist. And all she’s doing is acting like a child who didn’t get what she wanted.
all while not undermining her achievements and still allowing her to stay an integral part of the company. And she STILL turned it down because she's a narcissist.
I LOVE how when the writers of these trashfires make characters that the audience is "supposed to hate" they end up somehow being the only likeable ones in said show.
I think it's because they think that's bad, when it's not. I'm not sure how to explain it, but they think, or are unlikeable, but don't realize they are and put it in the show
@@markhirsch6301 they have a generally "bad" take, so when they go to make a villain for their take, they create a hero for the larger group of people with a "good" take. They don't understand that they're not in the right, because it never crossed their minds.
It’s not that hard when their idea of a witty character is just a being a sarcastic asshole
God from these clips this show LOOKS amazing. I'm a huge fan of stop motion and the different character designs and Christmas gags are genuinely cool. It feels like the people who wrote and executed the show are much different from the people who actually did the art.
Everybody, Santa Inc. is now gone from HBO max. There is literally no way to watch it.
I'm just going to pretend Santa Inc. does not exist. I don't want to give the "I smoke weed!" guy any more attention.
Good for you
the only attention he deserves is his "pussy" sound effect
that one is fine
Seth Rogan ruined marijuana
I can’t believe someone would make such a mean spirited Christmas series.
Me either I can write a good Christmas series I love the idea of an elf wants to be the new Santa Claus but instead of this old crap "about women can't do the same things men do" but should be like : "everybody has this mind set that Elf only good for is making toys and shoes" not to mention the character should be likeable
That would be so much better
That's the thing, they're hardly people at this point
You've never watched 8 crazy nights
@@MartianManHunter2258 I mean that not a Christmas movie but I get what u mean
Im a teen who is learning how to animate stop motion, and honestly Im sad to see the state of stop motion nowadays, makes me scared that if things keep going the way they are, there may not even be a market for stop motion by the time I can start animating for real.
Honestly, I feel like half of the things wrong with this show and its characters could have been solved by that one scene where Candy hit the misogynist deer guy. The show illustrates that he deserved it, but it just wasn't a satisfying scene at all. It just made her seem cold and vengeful. Alternatively, she could have dragged him to her car and hauled him to a hospital and left him in the ER, even if begrudgingly, and the next time he appeared he would have changed, becoming humble and repentant, and acting as an advocate for Candy to Santa even though no longer part of the inner circle with his severe injuries. Using that scene as a turning point could have redeemed Candy as a deserving protagonist and made her actually likeable.
And like, it's Christmas. Showing mercy to those who have hurt you, even if they don't deserve it, is kind of one of the most Christmassy things you can do.
The show just wants you to feel angry and hollow. The exact opposite ANY Christmas special suppose to make you feel.
Steve Reviews also covered this S-it-Show.
Sounds evil if you ask me
That's funny, i usually feel empty when watching christmas specials
I personally don't think adult animation is dying, it's just how it's used nowadays.
Adult oriented animation feels more childish than kids shows these days. Amphibia will kick every current adult show's ass. And Bluey explore topics rarely adult cartoons do with respect in these times, like the nature of death. Bluey, a preschooler show!
And that is why Bluey once took the #1 spot on Disney+.
Amazing how boomers and those even older than them generally still show such disdain for the animated medium. I hope we'll see quality adult cartoons getting released that are not sitcoms.
@@miserirken you see that's the problem would adult animated series in America because they're mostly comedies and they rely too much on swear words, sex, and violence
@@animezilla4486 Primal is a breath of fresh air.
I still get an aneurism whenever you casually mention your age as the realization you’re younger than me somehow and yet making bomb-ass RUclips videos hits my brain like a train smashing into a brick wall. I deeply admire that dedication to working with your talent!
If there is one thing I learned from this video, it's that I need to watch Everyone Hates Chris again, I loved that show when it first came on. Thank you for reminding me of its existence hahaha
Santa Inc. is the most cynical, mean-spirited, and soulless Christmas show, ever. We getting sick and tired that adult animation being reduced into cheap raunchy cash grabs and the fact they tried to push a agenda on people, especially during the holiday season is just gross.
I'm just getting tired of cynical crap now days. It feels less that people use it to make serious statements, but rather just say "the world is bad, we are very smart". I've almost entirely stopped watching most TV because of this
Cynical and mean-spirited shows can be entertaining, but the overabundance of them causes them to lose their charm, unless you somehow still have investment towards the characters. Eventually, the audience will get so bored that they'll stop watching 1/4th in, and look for a show with a more wholesome message.
@@markhirsch6301 Also, "the world is bad, we are very smart" describes a lot of fictional villains that play the victim card by claiming that they're the hero, and everyone else is evil.
"God, you... you sound like a fucking 'Far Cry' villain. You're all "Oh, you're just as bad as I am!" Shut the fuck up, dude. You don't know what the hell you're talking about."
- Mike, to The Psycho, 'Until Dawn - Part 2 | SnapCube's Real-Time Fandub'
@Sunky Pushing an agenda? That's sounds crazy.
Yeah like we were just looking for some Christmas spirit at the end of a really shitty year then Seth Rogan comes along with this miserable show about how Christmas sucks and calls people white supremacists for not being into it
Everyone must remember, animators do what they are asked to do, an awful script it's not their fault. So even if working on such dumpsterfire for experience, this shouldn't be a dark stain on their curriculum because they did their job fine.
I feel bad for the animators, they were probably pressured by Seth Rogan and Silverman...
Yeah no, the animation side of it was fine. It was the WRITERS that decimated any chance they had.
@@quirkhopper404 that's what I said?
@@OcioCamaraMx I know, I was agreeing with you
The animation was the only good thing about this show, You can tell the people doing it actually cared about making a good final product. Sucks that the script they had to work with was awful.
Biggest plot twist in this entire video is the reveal that you are 17 years old
Says a lot that the funniest thing about this show is, not the scene, but the text "taffy is no laffy matter"
The sad thing is, I can see how this basic premise could have worked, with only a bit of self-awareness and LOT of re-writes
The way I (granted, an inexperienced writer) see it:
Let's have two main characters: Candy and Santa.
Candy is still surrounded by awful, unlikable people as her "friends" and family, but this time we actually treat them as being awful and show how their constant abuse made Candy into this selfish jerk convinced that she can only rely on herself
Santa can be initially portrayed as jagged and burned-out: his marriage is crumbling, he has no real friends and he lost touch with what made him good at his job
Their rivarly can gradually cause them to self-reflect and grow closer, eventually becoming friends. They could even develop a father-daughter like relationship, where Candy finally has someone who respects and cares about her as a person; and Santa finally has a true friend and someone who helped him reconnect with that jovial, helpful guy he once was.
Oh, and obviously, it should have actual jokes, no whatever the hell the real thing had
There, a guy with little writing experience came up with a basic idea for a story that actually feels like it belongs on Christmas: wholesome, with themes of familiar bonding and can still touch on serious issues, like toxic enviroments.
Obviously that would require a creators that 1. are skilled and 2. give a crap about what Christmas means to people. Instead we got 30+ yo people who churned out something with story and humor as mature and sophisticated as ttrpg campaigns run by edgy 12-year-olds.
TL:DR: There are obvious ways to make the premise work and be christmas-y if there was only some effort and self-awareness present.
Remember to love your editors and beta-readers, kids
See, the issue with your pitch is that there's no way to spin it as a feminist power fantasy, or as an unsubtle reminder that chosenites can be as racist as they wish with zero recourse.
Honestly, that just sounds like you're describing Aggretsuko there. Her relationship between her and her (initially) abusive boss sounds exactly like what you wrote.
Their one kid friendly show being better than "adult" ones really says a lot
As the old saying goes, restrictions breed creativity. Apparently some people literally can't be creative without restrictions
What’s that kid friendly show?
@@Thomperfan it was mentioned in video, buddy thunderstruck
That saying is horrible, we write off failures as lack of creativity because of it and create ignorance.
This WAS their creativity but they failed with it. Creativity doesn't mean a success or even making something unique.
By focusing or restraining yourself you tend to improve stuff because you LIMIT creativity.
This show being restrictive would make it less creative for what they wanted. They would've focused on improving the restricted elements and likely results in improvement. Less creativity leads to more focus leads to higher quality.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I understand your take, but that only works for creators who are not as competent, too many restrictions could lead to an overall bland experience, like the MCU has been getting.
Kinda like how in regular show they use chicken wings and spice sauce for things like beer and drugs, it's more funny they trying to adapt adult things in a kids show instead of just being an adult show and be like "wow this character got drunk guys how funny. Laugh."
Someone else mentioned this and I wanna share more of it, its funny how Candy has been trying to emulate more masculine traits throughout the whole show but what didn't get her the job was the lack of the feminine trait of being nurturing towards children. If they somehow spun the story around and actually showed Candy *is* good with kids but due to her trying to be so stereotypically male Santa didn't realize, they really couldve saved the show. Or idk, just agree to working behind the scenes with Devon as the face wouldve been cool too.
I actually remember watching a stop motion TV show as a kid that I remember loving called Clay Kids. It's a spanish kid's show about a bunch of grungy kids getting into all kinds of situations. I remember it being pretty entertaining and the animation was great with them using the clay appearance of the characters to their full potential
My biggest issue with the show (and others) is that its so cynical. Which, especially in a _christmas_ based show is a terrible decision. Honestly, I'm just so exhausted with the cynicism in adult animated media. It's exhausting to be told that, "The world is terrible, everyone hates everyone else, happiness is a lie, etc." all the time when you just want to sit down and laugh. Not to mention being overly crass + overly cynical isn't mature in the slightest. Most "adult comedies" feel like a bunch of teenagers wrote them. Why is it that, instead of watching the stuff targeted at people my age, (21+) I get more enjoyment out of the stuff aimed at kids? Gravity Falls, The Owl House, The Dragon Prince, Green Eggs and Ham, Ducktales (the new one,) and so much more have been more enjoyable and have more meaning to them than the slop being thrown in the metaphorical "Adult animation" pig trough.
Owl House and the Ducktales reboot are horrible. Gravity Falls rocks though.
@@icecreamhero2375 the Owl House is meh but I thought the Ducktales reboot was great. What didn’t you like about it?
@@pidgedidge I thought it was ok at first but the characters grew to irritate me over time. I watched all of season 1. I hate Dewy. I hate how he is reckless and runs into trouble without thinking. He reminds me of Scrappy Doo. I dislike Heuy. He is dull even by sterotypical nerd standards. Lisa Simpson he ain't. Louie is the only good triplet he carries the show. I hate Della Duck she is the worst mother ever. She abandons her kids for a trill and the writers expect me to be sympathetic. Later Ducktales I'm never watching you again.
@@pidgedidge owl house s1 is meh, s2 however is surprisingly really good and a massive improvement in every way. The characters are written better, there's no filler, the new additions to the cast are fantastically written.
Its like the moment disney stopped taking the reins on the series to force in episodes, plots, and make it something it wasn't it became basically a whole other better show.
Would recommend it if you have even slight interest in it.
Smiling Friends is honestly one of the few adult animated shows that is not hyper cynical and the characters don't actively go out of their way to fuck eachother over.
Another of my favorite discrimination-based media is Zootopia. It is a movie rather than a TV show (though maybe it could work as a TV show?) but Santa Inc does make me appreciate it all the more. Judy is a good example of how to advocate against discrimination. Unlike Candy, she doesn't complain all the time that people underestimate her, despite being put under the bus after she proves that she can use her skills in a law-enforcing way. She's not perfect, ironically cautious around foxes after one brutally attacks her. She even resigns after she feels she's dealt a major blow to a community's reputation after having come to care about someone in that community, but she helps make things right when given the opportunity. Unlike Candy, Judy's flaws are minor compared to how awesome she can be. They don't simply say "women are discriminated against and that's wrong." They instead show us that we should do our best to break away from our misconceptions and make the world better.
That serious analysis aside, what do you think is worse between Glen Martin DDS and this?
I've actually heard that zootopia is getting a TV series and it's coming to Disney+
@@kittykittybangbang9367
Why am I not surprised, lol.
Wasn't Judy not discriminated against at all? Her coworkers resented her because there was some kind of diversity initiative, and she got in on that. Once she showed that she didn't need to be a diversity hire, they loved her.
It was the predators who were discriminated against by the sneaky sheep politician.
@@KopperNeoman She would've gotten in on her own if the police academy was just academics, but she failed all the physical tests
The problem with Zootopia's racism message is that it isn't subtle at all and that it doesn't really work with Prey/Predator dynamics. On one hand you can't really do a "everyone's equal despite our differences" message if on a fundamental level the two groups representing real-life issues are unequal on a fundamental basis, and on the other shoving it down the audience's throat every 5 minutes doesn't help to make the message anymore digestible.
The scene where a bunny hugs her kid close to her because a tiger sat next to them is the only one that actually worked because it's the only time where the main theme of the movie wasn't so blatantly shown and told, unlike every other time it did.
"From the creators of Sausage Party"
Oh. They were proud of that?
One thing here that I realized with one of their theme's of sexism, is that literally all the female characters are part of the stereotypes women get narrowed down to. Just there sexual purposes and bitchy. I can't tell if the writers did that on purpose with the characters, or by accident and just making this more of a dumpster fire.
I've seen so many kid shows that are much more complex and mature than a lot of recent "adult" shows. BTAS and ATLA are two classics that not only stand the test of time, they also treat their audience with respect.
@PKMN37 What does BTAS stand for? I assume ATLA stands for Avatar The Last Airbender?
@@alexflenner3778 Batman: the animated series. Abbreviating everything has become confusing.
@@gothragdoll I know! Just type it out people!
I am pretty sure that both 2003 and 2008 Clone Wars have a lot of maturity, intelligence and respect for its audience
There's also adventure time
South Park perfected the idea of using swear words as punchline in "It hits the fan" a show where they said shit 160 times and wrote it out 40 times. The point of it was that they rare use of the word made it an occasional good punchline but if that is the basis for your comedy you are flawed. Santa Inc did not learn this lesson from 20 years ago
And the "only certain people can say certain words" part was great too.
It’s pathetic, to say the least.
Concerning stop motion TV, I find it funny so few remember Shaun the Sheep, which is still ongoing, has two movies and was pretty much BBC's 'mascot' for their Xmas marketing this year. No swearing, minimal toilet humour, hell the characters don't even really talk, it's just fun well animated silent comedy thus a great demonstration of stop motion's abilities. People tend to like it when they remember it, but that's always the hurdle it seems.
I love how Santa gave her a completely valid reason as to why she couldn't be the next Santa and even gave her a good compromise. But the only thing she responded with was an insult. Then the writers realized that they made HIM look like a good person so they turned him into a twist villain.
Man, Everybody Hates Chris WAS a great show.
I remover watching that show a little when I was young, it seemed good for what I saw.
as a wise woman might say, I don't need to watch Santa Inc. My man has 3 jobs!
@@OttoVonGarfield lol who is this wise woman?
Steve Reviews did also a review on santa inc.
In Brazil, Everybody Hates Chris it's the base of our understanding of race, work ethics, humor and our knowledge of the United States and the 1980s.
I really do despise how the Santa was actually trying really hard to be progressive and gave a totally reasonable excuse as to why he wasn't going to allow candi to take over (that speech was so prefect I was almost shocked by the sudden spike in the writing quality only to be deeply disappointed that it was just rendered meaningless)
“From the creators of Sausage Party.”
Well…that should have been a sign of the train wreck that was coming.
Obviously
you know what’s kinda funny about this show? the show constantly shouts at the top of it’s lungs that it cares about women & all white men are sexist, while at the same time, pretty much all of the female characters are unlikable
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that this show was made with a Christmas theme on purpose so that it would get intense backlash from Christians which then the production team could cash in for easy publicity points on Twitter. The whole thing is so cynical and mean spirited that I'm actually willing to believe that.
Also, gotta love how even after one month, this show doesn't even have one single critical review in Rotten Tomatoes at all.
They don't need to; the internet did the criticism for them.
I mean, that’s pretty much what they tried doing with Sausage Party, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all
@@Murr248 lot of athiest still celebrate christmas.. The show itself was an insult to all human beings
As someone who enjoys stop motion and dreamt of becoming an claymation artist.
This hurts…
Hope you reach your dreams c:
Honestly, they have the perfect opportunity to save this show by after Santa giving the elf his explanation, she would say she needs time and spends the next episode questioning her thoughts through all of this and her actions like the murder and it would've end with her in reindeer grave with the blonde guy talking things out and agreed to work together, then she comes back to Santa and confirms that she understands. Showing her taking time to decide to not make the plotwist rushed. We can also have the blonde guy and reindeer girl have a break due to him discovering their first Meetup was sexual harrasment to which the reindeer girl begins to learn how to improve herself. We also couldve have the ginger girl and guy learn to improve themselves as people as well, have the brother or the elf's relatives show some care or actual personality other than a gimmick to truly make this show good or even great.
Man, I love everybody hates chris. It's fun and interesting. I'm glad people are starting to talk and reference it. I thought I was the only person who watches that show.
I can’t believe nobody mentioned The Shivering Truth or Moral Orel. Those are two adult stop-motion shows that are absolutely amazing.
Man, it's quite telling when people didn't mention those gems, and just went for Robot Chicken...
I know right especially with them being Adult Swim shows as well and from what I thought well known with both getting multiple seasons.
Supermansion is a hidden gem. Give it a trie
I liked moral orel
@@x900fulanito4 ooh agreed supermansion is a good one
I didn't wanna watch this show, but I still wanted to know what was wrong with it. Thanks for suffering through this show, merry Christmas!
Cheers, me too. Steve Reviews also did one on it, and he has even more, new reasons why it's terrible garbage. He has some interesting takes on how the show almost had some good ideas and then fucked them the fuck up. I'd recommend for the schadenfreude.
Yea
I like to think of it like this: Racism is a result, not a motivation.
When you use it as a character trait, it feels false because evil is rarely done for evil's sake.
Ironically a character in this show that I actually thought could have been interesting if given actual depth and character, is Junior. The story of a guy who's a self-centered popular dickhead because his dad became one and wanted him to live up to him so it ruined him, is legit interesting and could have been good if done right. (Look at Bojack for an example of how to do something along those lines right) I actually would have preferred he was the main character instead of Candy if he was well written. But no character in this show is because the writers were shit.
This could easily be a Grinch story where this "protagonist" realizes that Christmas isn't about the identity politics.
Maybe Christmas means so much more
I’m glad someone mentions how awful this is for stop motion animators, thanks for putting this
Coming from a stop-motion fan like most others who are actually aware of the genre (of a medium that is animation), I don’t know what’s worse. Hell and Back, or this, or Glenn Martin DDS by Nickelodeon and the (former) evil Disney CEO Michael Eisner?
Arthur Christmas did this sooooooo much better
also why the fuck wasn’t amazon the villain? It was such a perfect setup! Candy could’ve come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t santa and begins helping devin and then the original black santa who defected to amazon could’ve come back as a twist villain. It was so close!
For once I wanna see a joke where the setup has you convinced that it’s gonna be “they say one thing and then the opposite thing happens” but then the punchline is that everything they said really happened
You know what else Santa Inc has accomplished? Making Star Wars Christmas special watchable and no longer the worst Christmas themed show ever!
HORRAY!
Yeah.
At least the Bea Arthur segment of that was alright, which is more than can be said of Santa Inc..
Santa Inc.: Proof that Not Everybody Should be Promoted
As awful as this show is, that scene with Santa being genuinely mature in his reasoning on why he didn't pick Candy for the role shows that SOMEONE on the writing team had talent. But instead of letting us have a sincere moment, they doubled down on the "everybody sucks" angle and didn't do more than that.
It feels like they could've made a good show but didn't for some reason
im surprised moral orel wasnt mentioned, its the best stop motion show imo. there wasnt any swears and it was still incredibly funny and dark.
There were swears I think, but they were used very sparingly.
I would love a Shrek style middle finger towards “adult” cartoons.
I think Axe Cop possibly fits that box,
It was written by a five year old, but it’s one of the best imaginative I’ve seen.
I repeat, a five year old wrote this and it’s better when compared to the adults who want Yelena Belova to talk about her castrated uterus, like it’s normal.
P.S. there’s also King of the Hill, which is way more mature and it does it without constantly swearing in your face to get the joke.
I'm imagining a situation where a character who is kind is basically stuck in a Family Guy/Robot Chicken-esque reality where everybody's a dickhead, and their whole goal is to actually try to make their world a better place while everybody else just does the same cynical edgy scktick.
@@libRteedude That idea/premise for a show alone would be something worth watching... at least I'd think so, anyway.
"Sarah Silverman was miscast"
No, you're mistaken. Sarah Silverman is perfect for Candy, since she herself is essentially Silverman with the mask off.
She wasn't miscast, she's too well cast, and that's why she's awful.
I know you made this comment a year ago, but I'm glad someone else said it. I don't know why anyone likes Silverman. Not only is she not a good comedian, she went full hog in on this "oppression" nonsense to hide her own incompetence.
Yeah, she's a pretty terrible human being just like Seth.
@@ForeverLaxx I still remember that YT Award show where Norm MacDonald made fun of Sarah for talking in "Commie gobbleygook" and you could see Sarah doing her best to not rage on camera.
What do you mean?
The only recent example of "and then the opposite happens" working is in Spiderverse where one of the spidermen says "there's no way it's that easy" and cut to "it was that easy," and I think that it's because the joke wasn't just "and then the opposite happens," more so the setup was the overly complex heist plan that is common in cartoons that requires way to much to go right, a character from a separate universe where this wouldn't happen pointing out how implausible it is, but then it goes exactly as planned, so it is more "and then the opposite of the opposite happens," which is unique in a way.
27:54
When I heard this, I had immediately thought of that one scene from Courage the Cowardly Dog, where Eustace says "i ain't getting outta this chair," and he never does. The genius of how he repeats that line whenever a stressful situation comes on is amazing. What Courage does in terms of its own form of comedy, is changing the game with the show's spin on simple cliches, such as aliens from outer space or being stranded on an island, and expand on that concept indefinitely.
Also, much like with that scene you showed earlier in the video with Aunty Donna's Big House of Fun, the joke is unexpected by luring in the audience thinking, "Oh, this character is going to say something or do something different from what they have originally done or said," but easily catches the audience member off guard, as the length in which the audience continues to wait for the punchline, only to receive it in a unique form in which they did not expect.
Santa Inc. tries to attempt this, but rather than setting up a punchline or cliche in which the characters could respond to, such as in 23:51, they use shock value ineffectively in order to get a "dark humor" chuckle out of an audience member. Considering that I watched this entire thing with friends who are fans of some forms of dark humor, like the web series Cyanide & Happiness, we all agreed they pushed it too far. With what Candy said, considering that this is the first episode of the series and we should have know more about her before she made this right field statement, it was out of nowhere, with no warning, barely any reason for such wording/phrasing of the statement, and does not add anything to the plot or attempt to move it forward.
I am a huge fan of yours, and I think that this video perfectly encapsulates the stupid, unfunny attempt at comedy and storytelling this show gives us. A waste of time, money, and a shame to what stop-motion animation has become in our current generation.
I like how you brought up the topic of "casual discrimination" which doesn't always stem from a place of malice, but a place of ignorance and while well-meaning still causes tension. Today people would like things to be so black and white (I'm sticking with that) that there isn't any concept that someone would do something that falls under stereotyping or insensitivity that isn't immediately attributed to hatred. Some people make mistakes, they might be inexperienced and come from very tightly knit communities that doesn't interact with others outside of it often and therefore they don't pick up on social cues or fully understand where or how to approach a given person or situation outside of that. It isn't always fueled by blatant racism, it's sometimes just someone that doesn't know any better and someone has to explain things to them and not attack them for it.
Or, people simply don't care and are fine talking to each other. That's what communication is all about. To be hung up on rigid social cues sounds exhausting and domineering when concepts like the KISS Principle exists (keep it simple stupid).
It isn't that people are "racist" or "ignorant". It's just how people have been talking to one another for thousands of years and haven't gone to hell in a handbasket. I'm a minority myself and I could care less how others speak to me in a certain way. I don't subscribe to that "being offended" crap anymore.
@@donutbevil9669 This isn't an "or" I wasn't presenting some kind of alternative or something, i was saying that people have a knee-jerk reaction today and are more prone to wanting to be combative than communicate effectively with each other and create bridges. They'd rather have an adversary because that's simple and straight-forward, but that's not how it works in real life.
While we are both minorities and neither of us takes particular offense when someone throws anything out there, especially when it seems innocent in its intent, I understand why people would find it hard to ignore. Which is why I presented the idea that it would be better to fill someone in than attack them for a mistake, because then what would they do? They'd ether fall apart or go on the defensive and either one is terrible outcome for someone that had no intent of doing wrong. It IS true that offense is taken, not given. You can always let stuff run down your back.
Also, KISS is a design and problem solving principle. Social interactions are anything BUT simplistic, no matter what it is you're doing. People could just not care so much, but that's not really simplifying it.
@@Gakusangi That depends. The circles I mingle in simply don't care and talk about stuff just fine. Even jokes are fair game.
If it isn't genuine, malicious harm, then what's the point or even the problem? Getting nagged on or to badger only irritates and frustrates people (which only makes them less receptive).
To "educate" them implies they aren't smart enough to figure out themselves what is and isn't offensive, or inappropriate. We're talking about young to fully grown adults. That just seems reductive. Let their character speak for itself.
I know a white guy who's rude and uncouth. I also know a black guy who's the same. We hang out together just fine and they're my neighbors. The thing that people seem to forget is that one single flaw doesn't define a person, and you can probably find similar sentiments from other people you know.
We're not a monolith or a hive mind. Everyone is just people. It's this current narrative that seems to be expecting that we act perfect and utopian to fulfill some arbitrary notion of virtue.
I used to hear that kind of rhetoric from diehard evangelicals in the past (before their past detractors adopted their worst tactics).
Thats exactly why Im so confused about these "diversety" people wanting to segregate (it was on some college, f me if I can remember whitch one), like, segregation just breeds more racism/ignorance
@@comradesam3382 That's pretty much the plan. They don't actually want equality. They never did since they realized that division is more profitable until they can milk it for all it's worth.
I have to say, with the topic of swearing comedy, I think if your joke needs to be "the character said the swear!" You could at least have it be a character very against swearing using the worst swear insult they can think of, or have them try to think of a bad swear insult and end up saying what every kindergartner thinks is the worst swear word, because then you can use the comedy of the character trying to think of a swear and failing, or do the whole shock thing where it subverts your expectations.
Robot Chicken nailed this with Emperor Palpatine. He’s all calm and formal and polite, but once his nerves wear down he loses his shit like an angry manager at the office. In fact that’s what made a lot of their Star Wars skits so funny: they apply normal Earthly behaviors and workplace relationships to Star Wars, and it’s some of the funniest shit I’ve ever seen. The Emperor’s Phone Call is easily one of my favorite pieces of comedy ever.
Rule of Thumb: If you want swearing to be shocking, have the nicest, sweetest character do it. Once. When it makes sense for them to do so.
I was thinkin that for one of my characters! Good that we have similar ideas.
In the Guardians of Gahool book series (the one with the owls) the writer established one in-universe swear word as the absolute foulest word someone could say and practically made it the most uptight character's catchphrase.
Granted it was more a character moment against banned books but it's still kinda funny she swore like a sailor after that.
This lack of nuance is the exact reason I fall out of favor with most CW shows. They often have interesting stories but I get hit over the head with what they consider “social commentary” that it’s genuinely upsetting. Not that I have a problem with what it’s saying on it’s own but it just does it so poorly it’s more like unintentional comedy.
I’m glad Rankin and Bass aren’t here to witness the mess of Santa Inc.
Rankin died, Bass is alive and yet I dunno what he's up to now.
Stop motion has so MUCH potential for really good story telling and comedy. Seeing such an amazing form of animation being used for the same old boring adult schlock makes me upset. Shows and movies like the shivering truth and so many more get swept under the rug, most if not all of stop motion has been turned into it. It’s saddening really.
ironic from Seth "you are all supremacists" rogan having nothing but stereotypes on his "show" is almost like Hollywood is full of projecting hypocrites
Honestly, I think it would have made for a much more interesting story for Candy to basically become so toxic in her beliefs and goals that she basically drives away all of her friends, ultimately resulting in someone she has nothing against getting severely hurt due to her actions. Seeing this, Candy runs away in fear of what she’s done and realizing what she’s become. Cut to her in her room several weeks later. Her mother comes in to try and console her over everything that’s happened, before asking her why she *really* wanted the job. Was it because she thought she could do better, or because she wanted the fame and recognition despite not having the one quality that makes Santa Santa- A genuine connection with children. Then, to Candy’s surprise, Santa shows up. Candy asks why Santa is here after everything she’s done, and Santa tells her ‘Candy, what you did was incredibly selfish, stupid and immature. However, I wouldn’t be worthy of my position as Santa if I couldn’t forgive you and give you a second chance. I meant what I said before: You’re the best person to run the company, but not to be Santa. The position is still available if you want it, because I genuinely believe you’re the best person to run this business. I won’t lie to you: It won’t be easy starting off. You have a *lot* to make right, but I believe you have the fortitude to fix your mistakes and apologize. What do you say?’ Candy pauses, then stands up and holds her hand forward. ‘Mr. Kringle, you’ve got yourself a deal!’
These shows aren't "adult" shows, they're "We're allowed to swear a lot" shows