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Santa's speech was the most mature thing in this whole show, but then they ruined it. You get more out of watching Care Bears because at least somebody cares there.
In a way, the whole perfectly represents the people who made it. No matter how well you argument your point, no matter how serious and sensible speech you give, they will just go "fuck you" and continue pretendibg they're in the right without giving a single solid counter argument
Santa is pretty much ironwood from RWBY. A better character than the lead, but they have to make him bad just to justify the actions of our awful main character.
@@bearerofbadnews1375 That seems to be happening a lot lately, where the villain is actually a reasonable person with understandable reasons why they do what they do, so the writers have to contrive some comically evil thing for them to do to justify why they're in the role of the villain.
What made BoJack likeable was that he was often punished for his actions and he cared enough about people to feel guilty. He was a jerk, not an entitled sociopath.
@@SpaceXfan2005 The unlikable character Saber compared Candy too, but BoJack was still a good character despite being unlikable because of the amount of complexity that the character is written with that people can be able to see their own faults or sympathize with him. I never watched the show, but what I always heard is that BoJack and the show was written with a ton of factors put into it instead of it being black and white.
The reason Bojack is so good is because he feels like a real person, a bad person but a realistic bad person who has motives we can sympathize with and understand even if we don't agree with him
I'm surprised Saber didn't discuss the confrontation that the main girl has with Santa. She asks him why he chooses someone else to fulfill the role of Santa, and he gives an incredibly mature and reasonable response "you don't like kids, they don't like you, and that's what this position is about" but instead of handling it in any way that suggests she processed what he meant she tells him to fuck off, storms out, and never reflects on it.
Bring up a good point about Saber not talking about this show and I kinda miss when he would input how he would have saved the show like the old times.
Yeah because the idea of being disqualified for a job based on how competent you are is a crazy mindbending impossibilty for people who are used to be promoted in their jobs for filling quotas.
@@matthewgagnon9426 It’s crazy that people still believe in meritocracy at that point We’ve known about nepotism for centuries now. Favoritism and cronyism are super common A common strategy to move up in a company is to leave and come back as an outside hire after having moved up as an outside hire when you left your original position to go somewhere else. Not always used for promotion but definitely works for pay rate Large corps don’t promote random hard workers. There was no time period in American history where we can see complete non bias and equal competition for promotion/position
I tend to avoid adult media. Most children's to teen's stuff is actually in a good wheelhouse for being entertaining without being too much. Adult stuff is just off putting and depressing. Maybe because they think they have to "not" be like children's media.
Kids’ Media is exactly the same though, just with euphemistic cussing and marginally subtler raunchy humor. For now. It’s the modern entertainment landscape and its complete lack of standards for anything beside representation quotas that’s causing this dreck.
That's one thing I loved about Smiling Friends is that the Pim and Charlie always end up making their client smile, even in the most haphazardly way possible it always ends on a positive or neutral note.
Yeah it SHOULD have been a realization moment about extremes and NOT automatically gravitating towards them. But try explaining that to corporate hacks that have little to no creative material experience.
That is both funny and sad about the whole show, besides its clear lack of self awareness. Just to add to that, I have absolutely no respect for Seth Rogan either.
There was another funny part of this show. It was in the comments of all the trailers where people would make jokes about famous quotes, but replace certain words with "elves."
More the reason Sonic the Hedgehog was a better fit for Santa's position when his workshop was attacked by Dr. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrobotnik! Santa's had several close calls in his very respectable career. And amazing how people refuse to let this one go if it's as bad as Eight Crazy Nights. @@HeilRay
Yeah and in my opinion, you want to know what the worst part of this? I have a feeling the writers twist this story around to make Santa a scumbag while candy was in the right. But like we agree. Santa had a very good point about her. Candy should of take Santa's offer or at least told him to let her think about. But the writers had to screw it up. In reality with candy, it was never about Christmas, making Santa inc better/safer or even bringing joy to kids, she was just a spiteful, arrogant and narcissistic bitch just want the position not only for bragging rights but she felt entitled.
Yea. Just like in real life. They hate someone popular for being a successful white male. Realize nobody agrees. So they make up a fake story about how he's a r*pist and a bigot to get him cancelled. 100 percent real life.
It’s a shame that the one good scene where Santa gives his perfectly reasonable, and logical explanation for why he didn’t choose her for the position, to where the show would actually turn around and give a whiplash that she was portrayed in the wrong, but doubles down to insist she’s still right.
You know how a lot of media from the 2010's (and earlier) sort of have a message that say you don't have to be perfect to be happy? Shows like this, Forespoken, and Velma give the 2020's version of it: " It's perfectly fine to find the worst in everyone and hate them for it. Even if you hate everything and everyone in your life, you DESERVE success (even if you also hate doing what it takes to get it)." It's such a bitter and backwards message. What goes through a writer's mind when writing something like that?
We are in the last days of a dying empire. Globalization is falling apart, and those who have profited the most are the ones with the most to lose. A whole generation of millennials were brainwashed in college with Marxist talking points. Most of them were deprogrammed with hard time on the Streets, you still find isolated pockets of delusional subversion. Hollywood is one of those pockets, Academia is the other. Do not trust anything coming from either.
Because it's a Blackrock-funded psy-op. They're pushing total moral inversion while actively destroying any unifying cultural touchstones they can get their hand on.
"I have succeeded despite loathing everyone and myself and it didn't make me happy and I'm so used to pushing my feelings onto others that all I can do to process this grief is double down on misanthropy". That's what goes through their minds.
Also, the show is trying to be edgy by asking, “why is Santa a white man?” … but there’s an objective answer to this question. It’s because he’s partially based on the white depictions of St. Nicholas of Myra. Mystery solved. Of course, as was discussed in this video, there are a lot of deeper questions here that would have been really interesting to address … such as, did St. Nicholas really have white skin, why is Santa based on him, why can’t there be different depictions of Santa, and so forth. But, by acting like Santa was created out of thin air by the (American) patriarchy, their message just feels really shallow and mindless.
Modern Santa is basically an invention of Victorian England and the USA. But if people want to have a Black Santa or Chinese Santa or Muslim or Jewish Santa, feel free. It won't be as recognized and beloved as the Classic Modern Santa, but there is no law against it. People trying to dunk on Sexism and Racism for current year social credits, but doing it so badly that they hurt their own supposed cause, lol.
Geez a white country made Santa a white man? Fucking stop the presses. Saint Nicholas was white. There is no greater discussion that needs to be had. America is a majority white country, you can't just shove the majority aside because you're seething.
A few points. 1. There’s very little doubt about Saint Nicholas’ ethnicity, he was born into a Greek Christian family in Anatolia(Edit: Türkiye did not control Anatolia at the time(Technically the country didn’t even exist, thanks loserinasuit for helping!)), ergo he’s Grecian. 2. MODERN RED SUIT Santa is the result of St. Nick’s evolution into the Dutch folklore character Sinterklaas, which was Americanized to Santa Claus, and then became more popularized by Twas the Night Before Christmas, which provided more of a description, namely rosy cheeks and nose, which would be only really recognizable in a dimly lit 1800’s room if the owner of said cheeks was of the caucasian persuasion, Dutch would be my assumption. Ergo, to say that Santa was black would be a direct insult to Dutch culture, like implying Anansi is white. While I have no real fingers in this pie, I am a firm believer in historical accuracy when it comes to representation of culture, and I encourage the celebration of any holiday, so long as you treat the spirit behind it with respect! And the creators of this show did anything but.
I know a lot of people hate that Santa is portrayed as a bad guy for not promoting Candy to Santa for a completely legit reason, that she is terrible with children. He even offered her a job behind the scenes,but because it isn't EXACTLY what she wanted he is a bad guy.
After 2 years, I still love how unintentionally offensive towards black people this show is. Having the black guy get out of heir to be the next Santa for Candy to compete seems somewhat normal until you see how they portray all the 'totally not racially stereotypical' black reindeer with all the weed jokes. They even made the only female reindeer a "promiscuous and rachet black woman" archetype.
I'm only speaking for myself here but I'm not against race jokes as long as their jokes and not coming from a place of actual hate. That being said I would imagine the race jokes in this movie probably aren't very funny given the films overall low quality.
@@PeterGriffin11Not a movie tho, thank God. And no, they aren't funny. They have no substance other than "Look! Stereotype!" and we already pretty much know how Seth Rogen is with his weed jokes. (Also the female reindeer commits SA on Devon at one point)
@@giantpinkcat I never understood the love of Seth Rogen. He was fine as supporting characters in movies like 'Superbad' and 'The 40 Year Old Virgin', playing the goofy pothead, not unlike Sean Penn in 'Fast Times...' but his attempts at propelling that same character type to leading man comes off as a poor-man's Adam Sandler movie, which makes it all the more cringe-inducing. Apparently some of the stuff he's produced were pretty good but don't let him write or star in a movie or series.
@@giantpinkcat The thing about edgy humor for me is that comedy is entirely subjective. I'm not offended by SA jokes I believe that when it comes to dark comedy no topic should be off limits.
The most memorable thing about this show to me is that it was the last thing that received universal dislike on RUclips before the platform removed the dislike counter (at least through official means).
You didn’t talk about Santa’s speech with Candy after the intern wins, that speech was perfection and I think it coulda been a turning point in the show
Like the fight between him and Herv. Bojack went to his place expecting his old friend to forgive him, because he made a token effort and that's how things go. But Herv doesn't. He's still angry about what happened. And it wasn't even not sticking up for him staying on the show; Herv understood that. He was angry that Bojack stopped being his friend. Bojack ruins his chance to apologise and make up because he expects Herv to just forgive him.
My favorite part about this series is Santa having a genuine point about Candy being too cynical for Christmas, then the show acts like it isn't a good point, and then it's revealed he actually was just the bad guy all along. It's like they KNEW there was no way to make Santa the bad guy in this story so they just made him sexist at the last minute
It is like they did an ad hominem fallacy on their own character, they couldn't refute his points so they made him a big mean doodoo head instead. Big mean doodoo heads can still be right about things, being bad doesn't make you always wrong.
@@starburst98 I just learned there is a term for that because of this comment, I will now keep this stashed away for further internet discourse, thank you.
They literally had to shoehorn in a drug cartel scandal just to remind people that theyre suppose to hate santa and love candy. Candy was so insufferable that nobody wanted the protagonist to succeed. Instead of writing a story they were pretty much giving us a directive of how to feel about the characters, which to me is the pinnacle of a weak creative mind trying to get ideas through forcefully
It's such a whiplash to see a scene with actual thought and well written dialogue coming from the supposed "bad guy"... Only for them to remember we're not supposed to like Santa and immediately took the laziest way out to make people hate him again
The biggest issue with the show to me is that their biggest scene, the one meant to drive the plot and give us reasons to cheer for Candy against Santa, actually does the exact opposite. Santa explains how Candy's hard, self-centered nature and her HATRED OF CHILDREN makes her a poor fit for the Santa role, no matter how good she is at the logistical stuff. Candy's response? An F-bomb with no actual defense to her case. It instantly reveals Santa to be in the right when it comes to this choice (even if he's a terrible person otherwise), and Candy as being terrible and incapable of realizing or fixing her flaws... despite the intention being that we'd feel the opposite about them.
What makes it even more baffling is that a perfect compromise is offered to her, of a front man to do the part she wouldn't even want to deal with while she does the parts she is good at. It's promptly thrown back in his face of course, and the writers want us to root for the person who was offered something better than what they thought they wanted at the start? Which in any proper narrative would be the lesson learning moment.
I'll give credit that one of the episode that Santa explains to Candy why she wasn't a good role to take his place, it's because how she acted disgust around children. Candy could've accept there's other opportunities at the door, but writers decided to make her hold grudges🤦🏾♀
It's honestly funny how they had some chances at potential character development with Candy when he got snubbed over the Intern guy for Santa. Explaining that she would be bad for the job because she clearly doesn't like being with children and the whole point of Santa is that he's extremely good with the kids. Like that's LITERALLY what he's all about.
@@corneliussnow8215and Santa even offered to have her be the actual person in charge and make the intern guy a face, while she actually runs the place, but she just wants the title is Santa just so she can be the first female Santa, not because she actually wants to make her "progressive changes" to improve Santa Inc. she doesn't actually care about that, she just wants the prestige. And because Santa was actually really reasonable and made a great point about how she'd be a bad Santa, they made sure to reveal how evil Santa really was afterwards so that his points didn't have merit, and Candy was still in the right.
@@SebasTian58323 Yeah, it was so poorly done and someone probably realized that were making Santa, the antagonist, the VILLAIN, the actually smart morally right one and their main lead just an absolutely unlikable toxic asshole so they were forced to have it be revealed that "Oh no, Santa is actually a really terrible person, here's the proof!" It's like a show constantly talking bad about one particular character yet, giving no reason as to why they're bad only to suddenly reveal that they kick puppies for fun or regularly drink orphan blood or some other wildly crazy things to suddenly justify all they hate they've been getting throughout the story.
I only saw the scene where Santa gives the speech. I feel like Candy would have been a little more justified rejecting the offer if she was too clumsy or too business focused to interact with the kids right. Then it would give the impression Santa isn't letting her settle into the role and is making a hasty decision. As it is, it's like Candy wants a job that requires her to do something she hates. I don't know what kind of message that is.
You can make Santa look evil all you want, it still doesn't doesn't make his assessment of Candy wrong though, that's the problem. He's STILL right about that. And again, he offered to give her literally everything but the title and face, which for most people would be more than enough to enable meaningful changes, on paper SHE could choose the Santa after the Intern. All she has to do is find a Female Elf that's goo with Children and BAM. She gets the thing she wanted. @@corneliussnow8215
Santa Inc really feels like proto-Velma. And while Seth Rogen actually did produce good stuff in recent years (The Boys, Invincible, Mutant Mayhem) but the fact he tried to deflect the reception of the show as "it's just a bunch of dudebros", really feels like a disingenuous move to shrug off criticism, especially since it's clear it's not just dudebros who hated the show, but also the target demographic. It feels he just didn't want to admit a show, that was advertised as progressive and a "feminist agenda" as they said, failed at being that. Like, after hearing about how the creator was Jewish and didn't talk much about the show, makes me think this whole production was more like studio demand and nobody actually wanted to make it. I guess it joins 8 Crazy Nights, as a good-looking holiday special, that was screwed over by awful writing.
Seth doubling down and taking the "progressive lowroad" by scapegoating multiple types of bigots was definitely a low point for his career. Invincible and Mutant Mayhem are good at least.
I found Santa Inc to be so repulsive that I quit watching it after the first episode, Hell to say that "Santa Inc" is terrible would be the understatement of the whole holiday season.
I'm real tired of people going; "people don't like this thing we did because they're racist, sexist, a bigot." What you did was bad, get over yourself. Not to mention, bashing people because they didn't like it isn't going to help you. It will only drive an audience away.
I gave Santa inc a chance even after hearing how terrible it was… It was a genuine struggle to press the screen for the next episode each time because I was genuinely so bored and frustrated at how unfunny and unpleasant it all was
@@jefferyandbob3137 I'm pretty much always right. I have written more stories than you and I know what works. Yes, Santa Inc is hit or miss but it's got charm. You should watch it before whining about it though. Don't have high standards for stoner comedies. Especially ones by Seth. This is one of his best works though.
The one ounce of good writing in the show, (when Santa explains to Candy why she didn't get the job) was immediately ruined by her telling Santa to "Go F*** Yourself", then the writers having to backpedal and justify her horribly ego driven response by making Santa a cliché "Oh but he was actually bad the whole time" character. What a waste.
And even then, it could had been saved by Santa not being contrively made a twist villain, have him lament the uncertain future of the company, fearing what the board will do, while Candy once by herself inmediately ends up bursting into tears by acknowledging the truth in his words, and hating herself for letting her pride blow it.
@@HauntakuTVLiterally what’s the point of being Santa when you’re NOT good with kids? The whole job is about that, make kids happy. If you ain’t good with kids, then you aren’t a good Santa. That’s the reason why Candy didn’t get the job. In fact, to be Santa Claus, you have to care about the kids well being but also care about the good Christmas spirit and unfortunately Candy seems more focus on being first female Santa Claus than caring about the company’s goal/kids.
A while back, I had an idea of rewriting Santa’s Inc For starters, the name would be Santa’s Heir, and Candy would’ve been Santa’s granddaughter. My idea for a plot would be that Santa fell ill, so he can’t travel around the world to bring presents. This upsets Candy because she loved Christmas so much and she wants to make Santa happy, so she decides that she wants to take Santa’s place this year. But she doesn’t get a lot of support, but only because everyone is protective of her and they don’t want her to be put in danger and she’s too young and inexperienced to be the next Santa now. Candy has to come a long way to prove that she is capable of being the next Santa. I know it’s not the best, but I still love the idea of Santa having a grandchild heir, even if it’s not original As for Candy’s personality, she would be kind and cheerful, and a bit naive. She is also somewhat sheltered due to her position as Santa’s granddaughter.Nonetheless, Candy wanted to be the next Santa out of pride and love for her grandfather
With this you can have Rudolph Jr. actually be a villain and not just some Sexist Dick. His motivation can be to have Candy suffer a "Accident" on the trip so he can get all the fame. but on the trip the "Accident" would go wrong for him but instead leaving him to die Candy would save him despite his insults.
Nah, all female characters need to be cynical girlbosses that swear and throw tantrums, because they're so fed up being surrounded by mediocre, priviledged MEN that they're so obviously better than
South Park is a prime example of POS characters being beloved and funny. It's not hard to pull off, heck even Family Guy rolls with it after the first season when it took a nose dive in quality for random humor.
I think South Park and Family Guy are a little different because those shows/creators acknowledge the fact that they have POS characters, and you're expected to laugh *at* them while I don't think that the creators of Santa Inc are aware of how their characters are at all, and you are expected to be on their side.
So the problem with those hateful main characters is that the writers are trying to imitate BoJack. Without understanding why BoJack worked as a character…. Yeah, that checks out.
What make Bo Jack work is that he is trying but horribly failing to be a good person. He knows he is a bad person and doesn’t like that he is. He doesn’t really know how to get out of the circle that he is caught in. Thankfully he has good Friends who are showing him the way out. The show ended with him with the tools to get out of it. I didn’t watch the whole show, I am very conservative and some episodes rubbed me the wrong way but I from the clips I saw, I was rooting for Bo Jack to get his life together and find happiness. We all make mistakes. From what I could tell what show was trying to say is to get back up and try again.
If the corporate misogyny angle was taken more seriously it could have been compelling, but Seth instead modeled the the misogyny after twitter users and internet trolls instead. Bleh
Don't ask about the very not "woke" treatment of the workers who actually got the film made. "its directors cut costs by refusing to pay employees overtime, threatening to ruin their reputations if they quit, and leaving departed employees off the film's credits" Nate Jones, Vulture, August 16, 2016
@@ashkitt7719 At least Rogen learned his lesson (the hard way) with Invincible and TMNT Mutant Mayhem. And most importantly KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT instead of shielding
The biggest difference between BoJack and Candy is they might both be unlikeable jerks but BoJack at least *admits* it and tries to change. Meanwhile Candy wouldn't be capable of self-reflection if you held her face to a mirror.
I have to say, there's absolutely NOTHING there. Even if Candy was the most likeable protagonist ever, the whole story just falls flat, in fact it creates its own crater. It's filled with cliches, hatred, and just full on BS. What were they thinking!
It's to get back at the Christian holiday because it's more loved than Hanukkah. These people hate Christmas because they have nobody to celebrate with them
The santa from santa inc is the opposite of Saint Nick. Here's 2 of the best Christmas movies ever: The Nutcracker Prince (1990) Mickey's Christmas Carol (1983)
The biggest misstep this show made was making Santa an asshole. If they wanted to do something with him, they should have taken a page from the book of Arthur Christmas where Santa (Arthur's dad) is thoughtless and aloof, but not maliciously so. Have Santa realize that he's not as big as he thinks. Have him realize that he could be replaced at any time and that scares him and he turns on Candy because the Board of Directors need their safe and easy mascot. At the end, he and Candy come together and fight against the Board of Directors. That would be an interesting journey. Have Candy realize she's not as good for the role as she thinks she is. She has potential, certainly, but she realizes that the role of Santa requires warmth and kindness and she has to find that inside of her.
Santa's lack of communication ticks Candy off. She feels like she can't be Santa because she's a woman and that Santa is making up a reasonable excuse to not give her the job EVEN AFTER SHE FREAKING EARNED IT. Goodness me. Like, I understand that he was gonna let her pull the strings behind the scenes BUT HE NEVER FREAKING TOLD HER! Goodness gracious.
It's frustrating that people always seem to sympathize with the villains (Santa, Cartmann, etc.) People these days don't understand nuance or reading beyond the page.
the way that characters like candy have been done well before is insane, like reagan from inside job is that exact archetype but is written so much better because she has an actual reason why she is the way she is, AND it works with her job and her goals. with candy it makes no sense why an elf who wants to be SANTA CLAUS, the embodiment of childhood holiday joy, would be an asshole
Worst part is, there is one scene that almost saved this show. Almost made it decent. And they ruined it. The one where Santa tells woman trying to be Santa why she isn't cut out for it but wants her to work behind the scenes and understands her strengths in doing so. She may not be the face, but she will be the one calling the shots. Telling her that she wasn't great with kids but that this other guy is that is what Santa is all about. So he was going to make that guy the face of Santa but let her be the one in charge. It made sense, was well built up and could have actually made this show something. AND WHAT DO THEY DO WITH IT? They have her march off like turning this down was a screw you kind of moment and then dropped the whole thing to make Santa a twist villain. So close to almost being decent and the show completely dropped the ball.
And even then, something like that Candy's "Screw your Compromise!" was a more of a panicked, hasted response where she inmediately leaves like running, but the next scene is the two in their respective beds. Santa instead of doing crack and shown as a pusher, we drop all of that and instead show him very much Concerned about the company's future, lamenting that his compromise was the best option for all and it was rejected, about putting all the burden on the kid who he proposed as the face and even reconsidering his retirement plans. While candy instead is locked up in her bedroom, and actually breaking into tears, because She actually wanted to agree to that compromise, sje realized that Santa was right, but falls into a moment of self loathing because she realizes she was too prideful in that moment to admit that, her pride got in her, way, she is realizing her pride may in fact be her worst enemy.
@@rsj2877 Yes yes yes, brilliant. I was thinking for so long that they still could salvage something if after she walks awayshe undergoes any kind of development. Imagine her trying to force herself to like kids. And it fails and she doesn't know why.
I think you don't realize that this is something that women have had to live throughout history of not giving a name to their work or discovery because the tradition is for it to be a man in the front as a positive image of the patriarchy, and this is an allegory to it.
the scene i hated most was when candy hit Rudolph jr with her car. That could have been a powerful moment of choice. Instead of letting her anger control her actions she could have saved Rudolph jr despite his insults and hatred. But nooooo... they didn't do that. they instead made her look like a bigger villain then the main Antagonist Santa despite his shady deals and criminal actions. by leaving Rudolph jr to die she look like the villain instead.
Its funny that you mention that the plot sounds workable because it is on its surface level similar to the movie Arthur Christmas, which is actually a good Christmas movie. (Very surface level, like Santa being a big organization rather than a single person really, and Santa-ness being passed from person to person rather than being a singular individual, and the issue of that passing down being the focus of the conflict). Of course, its a sincere Christmas movie and really a totally different genre, but the idea of a similar story working has already been shown to work.
Yeah! Arthur Christmas is what this should have been. Or even that Disney special Noelle, while probably not _as_ good as Arthur Christmas, was still a better execution of the whole "I want to be Santa but x tradition is in the way" than Santa Inc.
Arthur Christmas actually handles the "logistical vs emotional" side of Santa Inc better (Spoiler below lmao) Arthur Christmas has two brothers, one who's really good at managing the operation of delivering gifts, and the other who is clumsy but still cares about children. the whole plot stems from the latter finding out that one child hasn't gotten a present. everyone in the Claus family learns that THAT is what makes Santa, Santa: going to the extremes just to make one child happy and then in this show it's just "smart good children bad Minecraft villager noise"
I can't believe this is the same studio that made Buddy Thunderstruck. That was a good show that shows when they are limited to a child audience. They can make something good that isn't just "swear words ha ha"
It's a writing crutch, that and having your characters be assholes for no reason. I'd argue that scat jokes are a crutch too, I liked Buddy Thunderstruck but it did have way too many fart jokes
It's another reason I appreciate eastern media. Their la Guage barely has any curse words at all so you don't have to be inundated with those kinds of crutches
thats how these woke people think. they think being cynical and mean spirited about everything is like an enduring trait. like just look how these people behave towards others on twitter.
Everyone keeps forgetting that what makes characters like Bojack and Tony Stark work despite them being such huge assholes is that people constantly hate them. It is made clear that those traits are meant to be overcome, and you root for it to happen
The horrendous script and stop motion makes me wonder if Alexandra Rushfield made the movie to torture their own employee. Stop motion is already as hard as it is.
I love the reason why Santa didn't chose candy as the new Santa even tho she got more vote than the other dude , the reason was because she isn't good with kids and that is a big part of why Santa is Santa
This had a similar problem as She-Hulk. They wanted to address women's issues but they couldn't fit a lifetime of microaggressions into a few hours of show. So they overcompensated and made the men the most over the top straw-men they could until it couldn't work.
You also run into a big issue where these types of shows are just cut because the creators and supporters claim any criticism is baseless prejudice. They don't even try to improve them, just call the critics whatever -ist is relevant at the moment.
@@SilentSavior1263123 as another person in this comment section alluded to, ad hominem fallacies are the main defense of the people who do/make stuff like this. we shouldn't expect them to ever actually try to refute our arguments, only to attack our character.
Honestly I actually kinda like the idea of Santa Claus being a position that has to be passed down as the actual man's physical health deteriorates, real shame this botched it in every aspect possible
I plan on telling my kids the original Saint Nicolas traveled east to Japan, and assumed control of a ninja clan before finally migrating to the North Pole. The Great Claus is a lineal descendant and head of the clan, though he mainly takes an administrative role these days, with "helper" agents scattered across the globe gathering intel on the relative behavior of children over the course of each year. On Christmas Eve, these helpers will receive dead drops from the Great Claus based on that gathered intel, and infiltrate the houses of children in their respective zones to deliver these gifts, sometimes in the guise of the Great Claus himself. These days, though, any sightings of sleighs and reindeer are primarily genjutsu, albeit illusions that deliberately nod to tradition.
I didn't watch this movie, however I did see how Seth Rogan Reacted to criticism of this movie on Twitter. My respect for him went out the window after seeing how he responded. Even Chill stoners like him can turn into complete a**holes on Twitter
Santa Inc is the perfect show if you want a "Reverse Grinch Heart growing" moment. It's THAT bad! And I thought the Nazi rats in Nutcracker 3D were bad!
Bojack, at least, is a low life who legitimately wants to change, and be a better person. We root for him to make the right decisions despite screwing up and making things worse. And that show frames him as in the wrong whenever he goes too far. Candi, and the rest of the characters (on the other hand), are all unlikable, and she's constantly framed as "right" even when she does horrible stuff.
9:43 Who's going to tell him about the tweet? Cuz it makes this part of the video really ironic and quiet hilarious. All i will say is, Viv seems like the person Santa Inc was made for.
Why couldn't the cartoon be about the fact that Candy is an elf trying to be Santa? Would've been more interesting in my opinion but the execution would've still been terrible, I bet. 😐
I agree. Hell, it could have even worked as a metaphor for her being the first woman Santa, similar to what Zootopia does with Judy being the first bunny cop.
@@leroysmith4616 fair, I'm talking about the coincidence with Velma. Usually the first Pro I hear from all the reviews and hate watchers is that the animation is amazing.
What set this apart from being just a regular trash tv show with nothing new or interesting was when I saw the ONE really good scene that got ruined right at the end being Santa’s offer. It was such a thought provoking conversation that showed Santa wasn’t this ignorant jerk (which they completely ruined also..) and candy just tells him off and walks away. What could’ve been a great story about acceptance and compromise turned into an entitled mean spirited tale about how it didn’t matter how unqualified or mean you are just you can forcefully get what you want. It completely takes aspects of Christmas and it’s messages and just flips it completely backwards but not even in a fun way.
And a woman wanting to be Santa could work, like imagine a story where maybe Candy was actually a really friendly kind person and Santa was becoming jaded and cynical. I could see me rooting for her then since maybe Candy cared more about the holiday. But as is, she treats it more like a job.
Didn't we already get a stop-motion Christmas movie about a woman wanting to be Santa? Like in the seventies?? The Year Without a Santa Claus??? Why did they greenlight this; the artistic effort was so wasted 🤦
@@juandacharroninja You're not allowed to say that word!!! But yeah. Why is Candy so stereotypically Jewish-looking? The long, overgrown, curly black hair, the nose... I am not Jewish, but my great great aunt was in Auschwitz. If I were Jewish, I would feel INSULTED.
Honestly Seth rogen and Sarah Silverman are the two biggest hacks in Hollywood, them getting together to make something was inevitably going to be pure cancer.
@@blenderbanana well they used to be pretty talented, I enjoyed most the stuff they acted or va'd in. But now they're both super political and it's what they're "comedy" revolves around now
@@cupocoffee9369 it's like their political, but insincere. Like only going through the motions, and only saying enough to register as "left-leaning". Their politically lazy, just like their comedy.
The fact that they actually had a decent plot going in makes it so much worse. I probably would dislike it less if it was just stupid all around, but they HAD good ideas, they just had the worst writers imaginable.
No even the idea was stupid. If the lesson was it should not be about the title but the actions and sprite of the title. Candy would not be a good Santa. She was mean, cynical and hated kids but for her the title was more important. I know a lot of “minority” groups just want the big title only because the “man” is “keeping” it from them. It would have been an interesting story it that was the lesson.
@@kingofcards9 I mean what Saberspark said. The idea of having woman be the next in line to become santa, only to be belittled by the powers that be, I feel like you could make great commentary out of that as long as it's not hammered over the head. But the show takes a fucking sledgehammer and knocks your teeth out like tom and jerry
Rapsittie is at least _entertainingly_ bad. It's so over-the-top in its incompetence that that's where its charm lies. Santa Inc is just... _hollow_ bad.
For everyone who saw the Santa speech scene and were completely upset the show rejected it, I highly recommend watching “Arthur Christmas” it basically takes that whole scene and shows what it could have been
This and Velma are the exact personification of a good idea done horribly wrong. On the flip side Puss and Boots the last wish is the personification of a Meh idea done perfectly right. What is wrong with today’s world…?
The same thing that was wrong with yesterday's world, stupid people that loves to force their beliefs down peoples' throats then demonize them if they don't accept it such as call them names such as communist, socialist, fascist, nazi, unamerican and etc.
You can really taste the spite from this movie. especially at the speech as to why Candy doesn't have what it takes to be Santa. I get the feeling the writers were turned down from better positions and this is their Get Back. With how bad this movie is, I can see why they were turned down. I wouldn't want this shit in my studios either.
I saw Just Stop's synopsis of this and SANTA WAS GOING TO GIVER HER THE POSITION OF CEO! She would work everyone from the shadows while the intern played Santa! Wtf!!!
You had some Jewish people who don't celebrate or understand the Holiday, on record Seth has stated this, trying to make a Christmas movie with a modern "message". Of course they are going to botch it, the best parodies come from people who understand the characters and themes they are making fun of. They even went out of their way to insult the critics of the show, Seth Rogan is not a person you want to hire if your show does even slightly bad. He will always make it worse.
It's even sadder when you realize that the unlikeable characterization of Candy is actually just Sarah Silverman self-inserting herself. Watch her comedy - that's literally just who she is lol
The old movie 'they live' is a great example of how you can make a character both an asshole and likable. The main character in the movie played by Roddy Piper is pretty much a down on his luck guy who acts very assholeish to those around him even before he finds out the world is ran by aliens. The moment in my opinion that makes him likable is when he begins to recount his past to another character and shares a heartbreaking story about his father which when you look into the real life childhood of Roddy Piper you find out may have been disturbingly autobiographical for him
The show almost redeemed itself in the final episode. There was a great scene where Santa decided that Candy wouldn't be Santa, and for a good reason, but still have her as thee most important person in the operation, which was a fair compromise. They still fucked it up.
It's annoying bc visually this looks fantastic, i love stopmotion and the visual designs of these characters actually look good! And then! The writing! Dear fucking god!
The best part of this show was when santa gives a perfectly valid and logical reason why she shouldn't be santa, and she's just like "nah fuck you! Patriarchy! I should get everything I want cause I'm a woman and if you don't give it to me, you're a misogynist!" It really shows how the creators actually feel XD It's people who think like that that give feminism a bad name.
I think what truly makes this show rotten to the core is that it takes Christmas, and the holidays in general, this time for love, giving, comfort, and goodwill, things that unify people, and fills it with everything that makes our current day so divisive with no nuisance back it up. It doesn’t help that all the characters are about as appealing as a bad holiday fruit cake. It straight comes across as if the creators hate everything Christmas represents. And when South Park handles what Christmas represents better than you, then you know you failed.
Is it me, or does Rogen have a general vindiction towards any type of goodwill or Christian allegory? -Sausage party-vindiction towards the afterlife and extremely nihlist to living in general hedonism. -Santa Inc-Trying to demonize the goodwill of man towards a corporate leaning perspective, also general hedonism l -That pickle movie i forgot the name to-Once again disdain towards christianity It seems that after moving on from his "Dude,weed lmao" phase he's moved on to a nihlist phase.
1:14 Tubi has some good stuff. I mean, its the only place to watch some Super Sentai and Kamen Rider legally. That decreases the odds Toei will EVER license more of them out for english subbing, but that's what fansubs are for. God I wish live action Japanese shows would get a competent form of early Crunchyroll (Free w/ads, and comprehensive as all hell in terms of line up. The classics, the new stuff, and everything inbetween. Maybe even with simulsubbing, but that's being too optimistic for Toei specifically.
Krampus, a Christmas Horror Comedy that is PG-13 is probably a more mature piece of adult-ish Christmas media than this series lol. Then again tho I'm comparing a masterpiece to this
@@SarafinaSummers that's awesome lol. I was excited to see David Koechner in Final Destination 5 as I loved Krampus before. I had an obsession with the FD franchise all year so David is a classic horror actor icon to me now lol
“What if she thinks she’s handing out candy canes and it’s tampons.” I died. I laughed so hard. Nothing can ever top that. Give this movie all the things
You want to know what hit the nail on the head for me. .... It was such a forced plot, with the entire 'Santa Workshop' being re-written to include an entire corporate structure that no other narrative has, and that's ignoring the culture of it. It literally made NO sense .. what so ever, to any bigotry... and the only bloody question I have is 'Why'... Why does 'santa' or 'the elf' even give a shit about 'who is the top dog' when the world will only ever say 'Santa Clause' and even if she took off and rocketed the holiday into space... She would still be the faceless dawg wearing the 'santa mask', and the only one who will know her are .... the people who are painfully familiar with the whole process. (Kinda like sparing for top tog for a development studio... where the only name ever shown to anyone is the studio Holder name, and you along with anyone who even partly works with/for are literally unable to even tell or let be known you're in that studio or let it be known it that holder name isn't one person with only a nameless team of helpers) You want to know what made Bojack.. Good... EVERYTHING was grounded and made sense... from the overly cheerful friends, to the unreal amounts of different abuses, the traumas... and while some of the stuff was overly contrived, it all made fucking sense.. Bojack made sense as a broken person.. along with everyone else. The story wasn't ... force feed an agenda to fit some super 4th wall narrative and some progressive pockets, all the while the main creators .. .actually LOVED & ENGAGED with the show in the public sphere.
All due respect to the studio, but maybe a Christmas series shouldn't be helmed by people who don't celebrate christmas. Like you wouldn't get Rankin Bass to make a Hannukah movie right?
You know, funny thing is that when Santa inevitably doesn't pick Candy as his successor, his logic is fairly reasonable and not because she's a woman: It's because she's bad with kids which is a rather important part of being Santa. He even makes an offer that the intern he picked a his successor is the face of the company while Candy herself is the one actually in charge and making all the decisions. She tells him to fuck himself and it's presented like you are supposed to be rooting for her.
I remember watching a video talking about a scene that almost could have saved the show singlehandedly if it was done right. The dialogue between Candy and Santa about why Candy wasn't chosen is legitimately great. But then they fuck it up.
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ALSO MERRY CHRISTMAS! What did y'all think of Santa Inc?
I'm sick of these hate filled characters and how we're somehow supposed to root for them.
Yes
Merry Christmas
Why do you care about jewelry now?
Rankin bass wouldn't be happy seeing
This.
Santa's speech was the most mature thing in this whole show, but then they ruined it. You get more out of watching Care Bears because at least somebody cares there.
Felt like I was watching a dementia patient have a moment of clarity.
In a way, the whole perfectly represents the people who made it. No matter how well you argument your point, no matter how serious and sensible speech you give, they will just go "fuck you" and continue pretendibg they're in the right without giving a single solid counter argument
Santa is pretty much ironwood from RWBY. A better character than the lead, but they have to make him bad just to justify the actions of our awful main character.
@@bearerofbadnews1375 That seems to be happening a lot lately, where the villain is actually a reasonable person with understandable reasons why they do what they do, so the writers have to contrive some comically evil thing for them to do to justify why they're in the role of the villain.
This shows how Santa Claus, of all people, is the most sane out of the unlikable characters.
What made BoJack likeable was that he was often punished for his actions and he cared enough about people to feel guilty. He was a jerk, not an entitled sociopath.
@@SpaceXfan2005 One of the best adult show out there!❤❤❤
I mean…he kinda was because of his past who is more sympathetic so you can root for him to get better
@@SpaceXfan2005 The unlikable character Saber compared Candy too, but BoJack was still a good character despite being unlikable because of the amount of complexity that the character is written with that people can be able to see their own faults or sympathize with him.
I never watched the show, but what I always heard is that BoJack and the show was written with a ton of factors put into it instead of it being black and white.
The reason Bojack is so good is because he feels like a real person, a bad person but a realistic bad person who has motives we can sympathize with and understand even if we don't agree with him
"Entitled sociopath" perfectly describes Peter Griffin from Family Guy today.
It’s worse that this is stop motion, one of the most time consuming and impressive animation styles
My singing monsters
Yeah, like the stop motion is good because it’s by robot chicken people but it’s writing awful
Rankin bass are rolling in their graves
Now.😂
Someone was like how bout we take
The beloved classic of rankin bass
And turn it up to 11?
Rankin bass would vomit seeing this😂
I'm surprised Saber didn't discuss the confrontation that the main girl has with Santa. She asks him why he chooses someone else to fulfill the role of Santa, and he gives an incredibly mature and reasonable response "you don't like kids, they don't like you, and that's what this position is about" but instead of handling it in any way that suggests she processed what he meant she tells him to fuck off, storms out, and never reflects on it.
Bring up a good point about Saber not talking about this show and I kinda miss when he would input how he would have saved the show like the old times.
Yeah because the idea of being disqualified for a job based on how competent you are is a crazy mindbending impossibilty for people who are used to be promoted in their jobs for filling quotas.
@@MarvinHartmann452 It's more likely to be promoted because you know the boss personally than out of merit.
@@matthewgagnon9426
It’s crazy that people still believe in meritocracy at that point
We’ve known about nepotism for centuries now. Favoritism and cronyism are super common
A common strategy to move up in a company is to leave and come back as an outside hire after having moved up as an outside hire when you left your original position to go somewhere else. Not always used for promotion but definitely works for pay rate
Large corps don’t promote random hard workers.
There was no time period in American history where we can see complete non bias and equal competition for promotion/position
@@jrich436only chumps work harder than they are paid to especially in corporations
Im sick of these ultra cynical, super pop culture referencing shows. It makes me hate being an adult.
The target audiences for them aren't really adults in a mental sense if it helps any.
I tend to avoid adult media. Most children's to teen's stuff is actually in a good wheelhouse for being entertaining without being too much. Adult stuff is just off putting and depressing. Maybe because they think they have to "not" be like children's media.
Kids’ Media is exactly the same though, just with euphemistic cussing and marginally subtler raunchy humor. For now. It’s the modern entertainment landscape and its complete lack of standards for anything beside representation quotas that’s causing this dreck.
That's one thing I loved about Smiling Friends is that the Pim and Charlie always end up making their client smile, even in the most haphazardly way possible it always ends on a positive or neutral note.
Embrace adulthood but stay away from shows like this and people who think shows like this need to exists.
The fact they made Santa an actual likable and reasonable boss who's trying to do his best completely by accident is the only funny part of this show.
Yeah it SHOULD have been a realization moment about extremes and NOT automatically gravitating towards them. But try explaining that to corporate hacks that have little to no creative material experience.
That is both funny and sad about the whole show, besides its clear lack of self awareness. Just to add to that, I have absolutely no respect for Seth Rogan either.
@@goufr3540nah we leave Seth Rogan alone idc what anyone says.
Show would be better if this was sitcom like a office
There was another funny part of this show. It was in the comments of all the trailers where people would make jokes about famous quotes, but replace certain words with "elves."
It’s like they realized that they accidentally made Santa a pretty reasonable boss and had to make him a criminal to justify hating him.
Didnt work, just hate Candy, Sarah and Seth more.
More the reason Sonic the Hedgehog was a better fit for Santa's position when his workshop was attacked by Dr. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrobotnik! Santa's had several close calls in his very respectable career. And amazing how people refuse to let this one go if it's as bad as Eight Crazy Nights. @@HeilRay
Yeah and in my opinion, you want to know what the worst part of this? I have a feeling the writers twist this story around to make Santa a scumbag while candy was in the right.
But like we agree. Santa had a very good point about her. Candy should of take Santa's offer or at least told him to let her think about. But the writers had to screw it up. In reality with candy, it was never about Christmas, making Santa inc better/safer or even bringing joy to kids, she was just a spiteful, arrogant and narcissistic bitch just want the position not only for bragging rights but she felt entitled.
Yea. Just like in real life. They hate someone popular for being a successful white male. Realize nobody agrees. So they make up a fake story about how he's a r*pist and a bigot to get him cancelled. 100 percent real life.
Same thing happened with Wish.
It’s a shame that the one good scene where Santa gives his perfectly reasonable, and logical explanation for why he didn’t choose her for the position, to where the show would actually turn around and give a whiplash that she was portrayed in the wrong, but doubles down to insist she’s still right.
They had the perfect setup for a great scene, and they completely fucked it up.
They probably screwed up the emotionally of that scene cause, ya know edgy comedy n' stuff 🤷🏾♂️
Candy is right though...
@@HauntakuTV right about what? That if you don’t get your way even when you don’t deserve it just throw a tantrum?
@@HauntakuTV Right about what? Why would you want to be Santa Clause if you hate children?
You know how a lot of media from the 2010's (and earlier) sort of have a message that say you don't have to be perfect to be happy?
Shows like this, Forespoken, and Velma give the 2020's version of it: " It's perfectly fine to find the worst in everyone and hate them for it. Even if you hate everything and everyone in your life, you DESERVE success (even if you also hate doing what it takes to get it)."
It's such a bitter and backwards message. What goes through a writer's mind when writing something like that?
We are in the last days of a dying empire. Globalization is falling apart, and those who have profited the most are the ones with the most to lose.
A whole generation of millennials were brainwashed in college with Marxist talking points. Most of them were deprogrammed with hard time on the Streets, you still find isolated pockets of delusional subversion. Hollywood is one of those pockets, Academia is the other. Do not trust anything coming from either.
Because it's a Blackrock-funded psy-op. They're pushing total moral inversion while actively destroying any unifying cultural touchstones they can get their hand on.
"I have succeeded despite loathing everyone and myself and it didn't make me happy and I'm so used to pushing my feelings onto others that all I can do to process this grief is double down on misanthropy".
That's what goes through their minds.
Cocaine, probably
The answer is in the question. Bitter artists make bitter art.
Also, the show is trying to be edgy by asking, “why is Santa a white man?” … but there’s an objective answer to this question. It’s because he’s partially based on the white depictions of St. Nicholas of Myra. Mystery solved.
Of course, as was discussed in this video, there are a lot of deeper questions here that would have been really interesting to address … such as, did St. Nicholas really have white skin, why is Santa based on him, why can’t there be different depictions of Santa, and so forth. But, by acting like Santa was created out of thin air by the (American) patriarchy, their message just feels really shallow and mindless.
Modern Santa is basically an invention of Victorian England and the USA. But if people want to have a Black Santa or Chinese Santa or Muslim or Jewish Santa, feel free. It won't be as recognized and beloved as the Classic Modern Santa, but there is no law against it.
People trying to dunk on Sexism and Racism for current year social credits, but doing it so badly that they hurt their own supposed cause, lol.
Geez a white country made Santa a white man? Fucking stop the presses. Saint Nicholas was white. There is no greater discussion that needs to be had. America is a majority white country, you can't just shove the majority aside because you're seething.
A few points.
1. There’s very little doubt about Saint Nicholas’ ethnicity, he was born into a Greek Christian family in Anatolia(Edit: Türkiye did not control Anatolia at the time(Technically the country didn’t even exist, thanks loserinasuit for helping!)), ergo he’s Grecian.
2. MODERN RED SUIT Santa is the result of St. Nick’s evolution into the Dutch folklore character Sinterklaas, which was Americanized to Santa Claus, and then became more popularized by Twas the Night Before Christmas, which provided more of a description, namely rosy cheeks and nose, which would be only really recognizable in a dimly lit 1800’s room if the owner of said cheeks was of the caucasian persuasion, Dutch would be my assumption. Ergo, to say that Santa was black would be a direct insult to Dutch culture, like implying Anansi is white.
While I have no real fingers in this pie, I am a firm believer in historical accuracy when it comes to representation of culture, and I encourage the celebration of any holiday, so long as you treat the spirit behind it with respect! And the creators of this show did anything but.
@walkermcmullin8665 The Turks were not in Anatolia at this time so he is not Greco-Roman Turkish. He's Greek.
@@loserinasuit7880 Well that makes it easier, then, thank you for helping clarify!
I know a lot of people hate that Santa is portrayed as a bad guy for not promoting Candy to Santa for a completely legit reason, that she is terrible with children. He even offered her a job behind the scenes,but because it isn't EXACTLY what she wanted he is a bad guy.
They had the perfect setup for a great, mature scene and they completely fucked it up.
@@blueflare3848if these people had a sense of maturity themselves they wouldn't have written such a doubling down scene
that's not even a reason based on gender or race, anyone can be terrible with kids, it was a reason based on qualifications.
All she saw was the line of white Santa’s continuing
@@shakeymistakey3881 If that was all she cared about she never cared about the job and responsibility of being Santa Clause to begin with.
I'm sick of these hate filled characters and how we're somehow supposed to root for them.
It's because hopefulness is out of fashion, and cynicism is in.
@@LuceoX30 Well cynicism is getting over saturated now
You can have a protagonist who is an asshole while still being likable. This is unfortunately not one of those characters.
@@Dr.Mliekosorry but thanksgiving was a month ago, you can put the forced politics down for another year cant you?
@@Dr.Mlieko dude shut up
After 2 years, I still love how unintentionally offensive towards black people this show is. Having the black guy get out of heir to be the next Santa for Candy to compete seems somewhat normal until you see how they portray all the 'totally not racially stereotypical' black reindeer with all the weed jokes.
They even made the only female reindeer a "promiscuous and rachet black woman" archetype.
Well yeah, the producers don't have good opinions of black people.
I'm only speaking for myself here but I'm not against race jokes as long as their jokes and not coming from a place of actual hate. That being said I would imagine the race jokes in this movie probably aren't very funny given the films overall low quality.
@@PeterGriffin11Not a movie tho, thank God. And no, they aren't funny. They have no substance other than "Look! Stereotype!" and we already pretty much know how Seth Rogen is with his weed jokes.
(Also the female reindeer commits SA on Devon at one point)
@@giantpinkcat I never understood the love of Seth Rogen. He was fine as supporting characters in movies like 'Superbad' and 'The 40 Year Old Virgin', playing the goofy pothead, not unlike Sean Penn in 'Fast Times...' but his attempts at propelling that same character type to leading man comes off as a poor-man's Adam Sandler movie, which makes it all the more cringe-inducing.
Apparently some of the stuff he's produced were pretty good but don't let him write or star in a movie or series.
@@giantpinkcat The thing about edgy humor for me is that comedy is entirely subjective. I'm not offended by SA jokes I believe that when it comes to dark comedy no topic should be off limits.
The most memorable thing about this show to me is that it was the last thing that received universal dislike on RUclips before the platform removed the dislike counter (at least through official means).
Yeah. That series deserves a 👎. lol! 😂
You didn’t talk about Santa’s speech with Candy after the intern wins, that speech was perfection and I think it coulda been a turning point in the show
I feel like the reason Bojack was easier to root for was because the show knew that he was a bad person and held him accountable for it.
He deep down knew he was a bad person and did want to fix that
Yes
Like the fight between him and Herv. Bojack went to his place expecting his old friend to forgive him, because he made a token effort and that's how things go. But Herv doesn't. He's still angry about what happened. And it wasn't even not sticking up for him staying on the show; Herv understood that. He was angry that Bojack stopped being his friend. Bojack ruins his chance to apologise and make up because he expects Herv to just forgive him.
This is probably the most non-christmas Christmas show I've ever seen.
Considering it was written by Jewish people who must hate Christmas, I'm not surprised. Candy is the embodiment of that hate.
Kinda what happens when the head writer and lead actors have never celebrated the holiday that's the main focus of the show...
Boy I wonder why... 👃🤔🤫
Let's Wiki the writers'/actors' Early Life, shall we? 🔎
What so you expect from a group that have less then zero respect for the source material and the people who like it
My favorite part about this series is Santa having a genuine point about Candy being too cynical for Christmas, then the show acts like it isn't a good point, and then it's revealed he actually was just the bad guy all along. It's like they KNEW there was no way to make Santa the bad guy in this story so they just made him sexist at the last minute
It is like they did an ad hominem fallacy on their own character, they couldn't refute his points so they made him a big mean doodoo head instead. Big mean doodoo heads can still be right about things, being bad doesn't make you always wrong.
@@starburst98 I just learned there is a term for that because of this comment, I will now keep this stashed away for further internet discourse, thank you.
They literally had to shoehorn in a drug cartel scandal just to remind people that theyre suppose to hate santa and love candy. Candy was so insufferable that nobody wanted the protagonist to succeed. Instead of writing a story they were pretty much giving us a directive of how to feel about the characters, which to me is the pinnacle of a weak creative mind trying to get ideas through forcefully
That also falls flat because whatever happened to "Be gay, do crime" and "Drugs aren't hurting anyone" too.
It's such a whiplash to see a scene with actual thought and well written dialogue coming from the supposed "bad guy"... Only for them to remember we're not supposed to like Santa and immediately took the laziest way out to make people hate him again
Or just the bile of a people that hate Christianity and everything it stands for.
But have to be secretive and cheeky about it.
The biggest issue with the show to me is that their biggest scene, the one meant to drive the plot and give us reasons to cheer for Candy against Santa, actually does the exact opposite.
Santa explains how Candy's hard, self-centered nature and her HATRED OF CHILDREN makes her a poor fit for the Santa role, no matter how good she is at the logistical stuff. Candy's response? An F-bomb with no actual defense to her case. It instantly reveals Santa to be in the right when it comes to this choice (even if he's a terrible person otherwise), and Candy as being terrible and incapable of realizing or fixing her flaws... despite the intention being that we'd feel the opposite about them.
They Really did make her look like a bigger Villain than the actual villain didn't they
Cluster-Bs are incapable of taking any kind of criticism. And Sarah Silverman definitely has at least one of those personality disorders.
What makes it even more baffling is that a perfect compromise is offered to her, of a front man to do the part she wouldn't even want to deal with while she does the parts she is good at. It's promptly thrown back in his face of course, and the writers want us to root for the person who was offered something better than what they thought they wanted at the start? Which in any proper narrative would be the lesson learning moment.
I'll give credit that one of the episode that Santa explains to Candy why she wasn't a good role to take his place, it's because how she acted disgust around children. Candy could've accept there's other opportunities at the door, but writers decided to make her hold grudges🤦🏾♀
It's honestly funny how they had some chances at potential character development with Candy when he got snubbed over the Intern guy for Santa. Explaining that she would be bad for the job because she clearly doesn't like being with children and the whole point of Santa is that he's extremely good with the kids. Like that's LITERALLY what he's all about.
@@corneliussnow8215and Santa even offered to have her be the actual person in charge and make the intern guy a face, while she actually runs the place, but she just wants the title is Santa just so she can be the first female Santa, not because she actually wants to make her "progressive changes" to improve Santa Inc. she doesn't actually care about that, she just wants the prestige. And because Santa was actually really reasonable and made a great point about how she'd be a bad Santa, they made sure to reveal how evil Santa really was afterwards so that his points didn't have merit, and Candy was still in the right.
@@SebasTian58323 Yeah, it was so poorly done and someone probably realized that were making Santa, the antagonist, the VILLAIN, the actually smart morally right one and their main lead just an absolutely unlikable toxic asshole so they were forced to have it be revealed that "Oh no, Santa is actually a really terrible person, here's the proof!"
It's like a show constantly talking bad about one particular character yet, giving no reason as to why they're bad only to suddenly reveal that they kick puppies for fun or regularly drink orphan blood or some other wildly crazy things to suddenly justify all they hate they've been getting throughout the story.
I only saw the scene where Santa gives the speech. I feel like Candy would have been a little more justified rejecting the offer if she was too clumsy or too business focused to interact with the kids right. Then it would give the impression Santa isn't letting her settle into the role and is making a hasty decision. As it is, it's like Candy wants a job that requires her to do something she hates. I don't know what kind of message that is.
You can make Santa look evil all you want, it still doesn't doesn't make his assessment of Candy wrong though, that's the problem. He's STILL right about that. And again, he offered to give her literally everything but the title and face, which for most people would be more than enough to enable meaningful changes, on paper SHE could choose the Santa after the Intern. All she has to do is find a Female Elf that's goo with Children and BAM. She gets the thing she wanted. @@corneliussnow8215
The main prerequisite of making unlikeable characters work is the show being aware the the characters are unlikeable.
Candy is a sweetheart
@@HauntakuTVStop liking your own comments you self high fiving div.
Yeah, very important to be aware of that.
Otherwise you'll end up like the person right above me, living in La-la Land.
@@RJS2003 Get a rib resection
Found Candy's sock account lol.
Santa Inc really feels like proto-Velma. And while Seth Rogen actually did produce good stuff in recent years (The Boys, Invincible, Mutant Mayhem) but the fact he tried to deflect the reception of the show as "it's just a bunch of dudebros", really feels like a disingenuous move to shrug off criticism, especially since it's clear it's not just dudebros who hated the show, but also the target demographic. It feels he just didn't want to admit a show, that was advertised as progressive and a "feminist agenda" as they said, failed at being that. Like, after hearing about how the creator was Jewish and didn't talk much about the show, makes me think this whole production was more like studio demand and nobody actually wanted to make it. I guess it joins 8 Crazy Nights, as a good-looking holiday special, that was screwed over by awful writing.
Seth Rogen is one of the most sensitive, insecure "celebrities" in hollywood. He can't take criticism.
But unlike Santa Inc, the main character of 8 crazy nights Davie actually progressed as a character and realized what a jackass he was
Never thought he was funny
Get used to more “Velmas” in the future. This is the thinly if at all veiled propaganda people are trying to pass off as entertainment nowadays.
Seth doubling down and taking the "progressive lowroad" by scapegoating multiple types of bigots was definitely a low point for his career. Invincible and Mutant Mayhem are good at least.
I found Santa Inc to be so repulsive that I quit watching it after the first episode, Hell to say that "Santa Inc" is terrible would be the understatement of the whole holiday season.
I'm real tired of people going; "people don't like this thing we did because they're racist, sexist, a bigot." What you did was bad, get over yourself. Not to mention, bashing people because they didn't like it isn't going to help you. It will only drive an audience away.
It's an easy way to excuse bad reviews
The only thing about this whole show that made me laugh was that they thought they were gonna get a second season
You serious?
It deserves a second season tbh.
@@HauntakuTVwhy tho?
@@HauntakuTVOh I love Christmas jokes, tell another! 🎉
@@RibbitRibbit191 Because she could create a competing Santa business
I gave Santa inc a chance even after hearing how terrible it was…
It was a genuine struggle to press the screen for the next episode each time because I was genuinely so bored and frustrated at how unfunny and unpleasant it all was
You just don't get it
@@HauntakuTVBad bait.
@@jlev1028 Not bait. This is my opinion, bro.
@@HauntakuTV Nah we got it, we just don't l,ke it. You're free to have your opinion, but you're not objectively right.
@@jefferyandbob3137 I'm pretty much always right. I have written more stories than you and I know what works. Yes, Santa Inc is hit or miss but it's got charm. You should watch it before whining about it though. Don't have high standards for stoner comedies. Especially ones by Seth. This is one of his best works though.
The one ounce of good writing in the show, (when Santa explains to Candy why she didn't get the job) was immediately ruined by her telling Santa to "Go F*** Yourself", then the writers having to backpedal and justify her horribly ego driven response by making Santa a cliché "Oh but he was actually bad the whole time" character. What a waste.
And even then, it could had been saved by Santa not being contrively made a twist villain, have him lament the uncertain future of the company, fearing what the board will do, while Candy once by herself inmediately ends up bursting into tears by acknowledging the truth in his words, and hating herself for letting her pride blow it.
Candy is based 🗿
@@rsj2877 This is exactly what should've happened. It really sucks that Santa's speech wasn't the turning point it should've been.
@@HauntakuTV Lol, you're working hard in these comments to defend this show. :D
@@HauntakuTVLiterally what’s the point of being Santa when you’re NOT good with kids? The whole job is about that, make kids happy. If you ain’t good with kids, then you aren’t a good Santa. That’s the reason why Candy didn’t get the job.
In fact, to be Santa Claus, you have to care about the kids well being but also care about the good Christmas spirit and unfortunately Candy seems more focus on being first female Santa Claus than caring about the company’s goal/kids.
A while back, I had an idea of rewriting Santa’s Inc
For starters, the name would be Santa’s Heir, and Candy would’ve been Santa’s granddaughter. My idea for a plot would be that Santa fell ill, so he can’t travel around the world to bring presents. This upsets Candy because she loved Christmas so much and she wants to make Santa happy, so she decides that she wants to take Santa’s place this year. But she doesn’t get a lot of support, but only because everyone is protective of her and they don’t want her to be put in danger and she’s too young and inexperienced to be the next Santa now. Candy has to come a long way to prove that she is capable of being the next Santa.
I know it’s not the best, but I still love the idea of Santa having a grandchild heir, even if it’s not original
As for Candy’s personality, she would be kind and cheerful, and a bit naive. She is also somewhat sheltered due to her position as Santa’s granddaughter.Nonetheless, Candy wanted to be the next Santa out of pride and love for her grandfather
I think you just described Disney's Noelle, lol.
With this you can have Rudolph Jr. actually be a villain and not just some Sexist Dick. His motivation can be to have Candy suffer a "Accident" on the trip so he can get all the fame. but on the trip the "Accident" would go wrong for him but instead leaving him to die Candy would save him despite his insults.
Nah, all female characters need to be cynical girlbosses that swear and throw tantrums, because they're so fed up being surrounded by mediocre, priviledged MEN that they're so obviously better than
South Park is a prime example of POS characters being beloved and funny. It's not hard to pull off, heck even Family Guy rolls with it after the first season when it took a nose dive in quality for random humor.
I think South Park and Family Guy are a little different because those shows/creators acknowledge the fact that they have POS characters, and you're expected to laugh *at* them while I don't think that the creators of Santa Inc are aware of how their characters are at all, and you are expected to be on their side.
So the problem with those hateful main characters is that the writers are trying to imitate BoJack. Without understanding why BoJack worked as a character…. Yeah, that checks out.
What make Bo Jack work is that he is trying but horribly failing to be a good person. He knows he is a bad person and doesn’t like that he is. He doesn’t really know how to get out of the circle that he is caught in. Thankfully he has good Friends who are showing him the way out. The show ended with him with the tools to get out of it. I didn’t watch the whole show, I am very conservative and some episodes rubbed me the wrong way but I from the clips I saw, I was rooting for Bo Jack to get his life together and find happiness. We all make mistakes. From what I could tell what show was trying to say is to get back up and try again.
They ain't trying to be Bojack.
@@MrSophireMan. I totally disagree with you. But fun analysis though.
@@blenderbanana Thanks I guess,
If the corporate misogyny angle was taken more seriously it could have been compelling, but Seth instead modeled the the misogyny after twitter users and internet trolls instead. Bleh
Which is really Ironic Considering how Seth responded to criticism of this film on Twitter
Santa Inc should return for a second season and in it Candy should have a competing Santa business.
I’d rather hear about corporate misandry.
@@HauntakuTV no thanks.
@@lmno567 You don't have to watch it, bro
I remember they marketed with the tagline "From the creators and producers of Sausage Party"
That's not a selling point, That's a Warning
Don't ask about the very not "woke" treatment of the workers who actually got the film made.
"its directors cut costs by refusing to pay employees overtime, threatening to ruin their reputations if they quit, and leaving departed employees off the film's credits"
Nate Jones, Vulture, August 16, 2016
@@ashkitt7719
At least Rogen learned his lesson (the hard way) with Invincible and TMNT Mutant Mayhem.
And most importantly KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT instead of shielding
The biggest difference between BoJack and Candy is they might both be unlikeable jerks but BoJack at least *admits* it and tries to change. Meanwhile Candy wouldn't be capable of self-reflection if you held her face to a mirror.
Women for you
Is there any wonder why we don't often get Christmas-themed animated series, besides only being relevant during one time of the year?
Is "whiny, white guilt" a genre at this point?
I'm trying to think what other shows would fit into this sub genre. I definitely think The Proud Family reboot would fit into it.
Yes
Mindy kaling's Velma is definitely part of it.
@PeterGriffin11 I think it’s obvious that Velma would be in that category
@@Rangi_WildDog I forgot about that.
This show really put the "stop" in "stop-motion".
By that I mean OH MY GOD WHY WON'T IT *STOP?!?!!*
I have to say, there's absolutely NOTHING there. Even if Candy was the most likeable protagonist ever, the whole story just falls flat, in fact it creates its own crater. It's filled with cliches, hatred, and just full on BS. What were they thinking!
Well theyre Jewish, so connect the dots
It's to get back at the Christian holiday because it's more loved than Hanukkah. These people hate Christmas because they have nobody to celebrate with them
The santa from santa inc is the opposite of Saint Nick.
Here's 2 of the best Christmas movies ever:
The Nutcracker Prince (1990)
Mickey's Christmas Carol (1983)
@@osets2117 Haha, I believe you are right! Spot on.
I had to read that last sentence in AVGN's voice.
"A bunch of Hollywood friends hastily made a show but phoned it in when it came to follow-through". Is the entirety of Seth Rogan's filmography.
lest we forget, this show was part of the reason that youtube got rid of the dislike button
so yeah, i'd say the hate was/is warranted
I remember the first year of Biden press conferences also being a contributing factor to getting rid of the dislike button. :D
The biggest misstep this show made was making Santa an asshole. If they wanted to do something with him, they should have taken a page from the book of Arthur Christmas where Santa (Arthur's dad) is thoughtless and aloof, but not maliciously so. Have Santa realize that he's not as big as he thinks. Have him realize that he could be replaced at any time and that scares him and he turns on Candy because the Board of Directors need their safe and easy mascot. At the end, he and Candy come together and fight against the Board of Directors. That would be an interesting journey. Have Candy realize she's not as good for the role as she thinks she is. She has potential, certainly, but she realizes that the role of Santa requires warmth and kindness and she has to find that inside of her.
Candy is kind though. You didn't even watch it bro
@@HauntakuTVwhen? everything she does she does for herself
Santa's lack of communication ticks Candy off. She feels like she can't be Santa because she's a woman and that Santa is making up a reasonable excuse to not give her the job EVEN AFTER SHE FREAKING EARNED IT. Goodness me. Like, I understand that he was gonna let her pull the strings behind the scenes BUT HE NEVER FREAKING TOLD HER! Goodness gracious.
It's frustrating that people always seem to sympathize with the villains (Santa, Cartmann, etc.) People these days don't understand nuance or reading beyond the page.
@@HauntakuTV genuinely can't tell if trolling or actually just incredibly stupid
the way that characters like candy have been done well before is insane, like reagan from inside job is that exact archetype but is written so much better because she has an actual reason why she is the way she is, AND it works with her job and her goals.
with candy it makes no sense why an elf who wants to be SANTA CLAUS, the embodiment of childhood holiday joy, would be an asshole
Worst part is, there is one scene that almost saved this show. Almost made it decent. And they ruined it. The one where Santa tells woman trying to be Santa why she isn't cut out for it but wants her to work behind the scenes and understands her strengths in doing so. She may not be the face, but she will be the one calling the shots. Telling her that she wasn't great with kids but that this other guy is that is what Santa is all about. So he was going to make that guy the face of Santa but let her be the one in charge. It made sense, was well built up and could have actually made this show something. AND WHAT DO THEY DO WITH IT? They have her march off like turning this down was a screw you kind of moment and then dropped the whole thing to make Santa a twist villain. So close to almost being decent and the show completely dropped the ball.
They had the perfect set up for a great and mature scene, and they completely fucked it up.
And even then, something like that Candy's "Screw your Compromise!" was a more of a panicked, hasted response where she inmediately leaves like running, but the next scene is the two in their respective beds.
Santa instead of doing crack and shown as a pusher, we drop all of that and instead show him very much Concerned about the company's future, lamenting that his compromise was the best option for all and it was rejected, about putting all the burden on the kid who he proposed as the face and even reconsidering his retirement plans.
While candy instead is locked up in her bedroom, and actually breaking into tears, because She actually wanted to agree to that compromise, sje realized that Santa was right, but falls into a moment of self loathing because she realizes she was too prideful in that moment to admit that, her pride got in her, way, she is realizing her pride may in fact be her worst enemy.
@@rsj2877 Yes yes yes, brilliant. I was thinking for so long that they still could salvage something if after she walks awayshe undergoes any kind of development.
Imagine her trying to force herself to like kids. And it fails and she doesn't know why.
They didn't just drop the ball, they panicked so hard they yeeted it into the sun.
I think you don't realize that this is something that women have had to live throughout history of not giving a name to their work or discovery because the tradition is for it to be a man in the front as a positive image of the patriarchy, and this is an allegory to it.
The fact this show was made by someone who presumably doesn't/has never celebrated Christmas (she's Jewish) explains a lot, honestly
the scene i hated most was when candy hit Rudolph jr with her car. That could have been a powerful moment of choice. Instead of letting her anger control her actions she could have saved Rudolph jr despite his insults and hatred. But nooooo... they didn't do that. they instead made her look like a bigger villain then the main Antagonist Santa despite his shady deals and criminal actions. by leaving Rudolph jr to die she look like the villain instead.
Its funny that you mention that the plot sounds workable because it is on its surface level similar to the movie Arthur Christmas, which is actually a good Christmas movie. (Very surface level, like Santa being a big organization rather than a single person really, and Santa-ness being passed from person to person rather than being a singular individual, and the issue of that passing down being the focus of the conflict). Of course, its a sincere Christmas movie and really a totally different genre, but the idea of a similar story working has already been shown to work.
Yeah! Arthur Christmas is what this should have been.
Or even that Disney special Noelle, while probably not _as_ good as Arthur Christmas, was still a better execution of the whole "I want to be Santa but x tradition is in the way" than Santa Inc.
Arthur Christmas actually handles the "logistical vs emotional" side of Santa Inc better (Spoiler below lmao)
Arthur Christmas has two brothers, one who's really good at managing the operation of delivering gifts, and the other who is clumsy but still cares about children. the whole plot stems from the latter finding out that one child hasn't gotten a present. everyone in the Claus family learns that THAT is what makes Santa, Santa: going to the extremes just to make one child happy
and then in this show it's just "smart good children bad Minecraft villager noise"
I can't believe this is the same studio that made Buddy Thunderstruck.
That was a good show that shows when they are limited to a child audience. They can make something good that isn't just "swear words ha ha"
It's a writing crutch, that and having your characters be assholes for no reason. I'd argue that scat jokes are a crutch too, I liked Buddy Thunderstruck but it did have way too many fart jokes
It’s the same studio that made Robot Chicken I don’t know what you expect from them when writing adult shows
It's another reason I appreciate eastern media. Their la Guage barely has any curse words at all so you don't have to be inundated with those kinds of crutches
The fact that it's stop motion makes it sad because they had more potential than regular animation.
I feel the issue is that unlike those other shows this one tries very hard to present Candy as being their good guy.
thats how these woke people think. they think being cynical and mean spirited about everything is like an enduring trait. like just look how these people behave towards others on twitter.
Everyone keeps forgetting that what makes characters like Bojack and Tony Stark work despite them being such huge assholes is that people constantly hate them. It is made clear that those traits are meant to be overcome, and you root for it to happen
The horrendous script and stop motion makes me wonder if Alexandra Rushfield made the movie to torture their own employee. Stop motion is already as hard as it is.
If anything, it might've been designed to torture Gentiles---which, y'know, fair, cool, but let's put some effort into it, shall we?
I mean she's a talentless hack.
She wrote it because most "progressives" are actually miserable people. And they project that onto all of their work.
@@dinosaysrawr It's self inflicted torture. You're only tortured as much as you watch it. :D
I love the reason why Santa didn't chose candy as the new Santa even tho she got more vote than the other dude , the reason was because she isn't good with kids and that is a big part of why Santa is Santa
exactly its like being a babysitter but hating children like your just in the complete wrong line of work.
This is one of those shows where it feels like I want to pause it every 15 seconds to have an hour long criticism about what it just subjected me to
This had a similar problem as She-Hulk. They wanted to address women's issues but they couldn't fit a lifetime of microaggressions into a few hours of show. So they overcompensated and made the men the most over the top straw-men they could until it couldn't work.
You also run into a big issue where these types of shows are just cut because the creators and supporters claim any criticism is baseless prejudice. They don't even try to improve them, just call the critics whatever -ist is relevant at the moment.
"lifetime of microaggressions" only women could make up stupid bullshit like that.
Microagressions = rich Liberal women problem.
@@SilentSavior1263123 as another person in this comment section alluded to, ad hominem fallacies are the main defense of the people who do/make stuff like this. we shouldn't expect them to ever actually try to refute our arguments, only to attack our character.
Honestly I actually kinda like the idea of Santa Claus being a position that has to be passed down as the actual man's physical health deteriorates, real shame this botched it in every aspect possible
You'd like Arthur Christmas
I plan on telling my kids the original Saint Nicolas traveled east to Japan, and assumed control of a ninja clan before finally migrating to the North Pole. The Great Claus is a lineal descendant and head of the clan, though he mainly takes an administrative role these days, with "helper" agents scattered across the globe gathering intel on the relative behavior of children over the course of each year. On Christmas Eve, these helpers will receive dead drops from the Great Claus based on that gathered intel, and infiltrate the houses of children in their respective zones to deliver these gifts, sometimes in the guise of the Great Claus himself. These days, though, any sightings of sleighs and reindeer are primarily genjutsu, albeit illusions that deliberately nod to tradition.
How is everyone all of a sudden remembering this movie like 2 years later and now talking about it?? I don’t get it.
It's like an STD. It always comes back in some way.
@@Ability-King-KKwhat a metaphor
Because the internet's culture is ultimately very rewarding of hate.
@@Ability-King-KKI see😏
@@riverscuomo7140that is somehow very true
I didn't watch this movie, however I did see how Seth Rogan Reacted to criticism of this movie on Twitter. My respect for him went out the window after seeing how he responded. Even Chill stoners like him can turn into complete a**holes on Twitter
Santa Inc is the perfect show if you want a "Reverse Grinch Heart growing" moment. It's THAT bad!
And I thought the Nazi rats in Nutcracker 3D were bad!
That movie is at least so silly that it's an enjoyable trainwreck. Santa Inc. is just painful and cringey at every turn.
Bojack, at least, is a low life who legitimately wants to change, and be a better person. We root for him to make the right decisions despite screwing up and making things worse. And that show frames him as in the wrong whenever he goes too far.
Candi, and the rest of the characters (on the other hand), are all unlikable, and she's constantly framed as "right" even when she does horrible stuff.
9:43
Who's going to tell him about the tweet? Cuz it makes this part of the video really ironic and quiet hilarious.
All i will say is, Viv seems like the person Santa Inc was made for.
Why couldn't the cartoon be about the fact that Candy is an elf trying to be Santa? Would've been more interesting in my opinion but the execution would've still been terrible, I bet. 😐
I agree. Hell, it could have even worked as a metaphor for her being the first woman Santa, similar to what Zootopia does with Judy being the first bunny cop.
It's funny how often adult animation's 1 redeeming factor is their animation.
most of the time it isn't adult animation is notorious for how little they care for the animation thus the existance of a billion family guy clones.
@@leroysmith4616 fair, I'm talking about the coincidence with Velma. Usually the first Pro I hear from all the reviews and hate watchers is that the animation is amazing.
The worst part is how easily it could have been saved at the end. But no, the performative progression had to come first.
It's not even progression it's just assholes being assholes
Yeah i really hate when people fail at something and the only thing they needed to do was just keep breathing and nothing more
@@GarkKahn can't argue.
What set this apart from being just a regular trash tv show with nothing new or interesting was when I saw the ONE really good scene that got ruined right at the end being Santa’s offer. It was such a thought provoking conversation that showed Santa wasn’t this ignorant jerk (which they completely ruined also..) and candy just tells him off and walks away. What could’ve been a great story about acceptance and compromise turned into an entitled mean spirited tale about how it didn’t matter how unqualified or mean you are just you can forcefully get what you want. It completely takes aspects of Christmas and it’s messages and just flips it completely backwards but not even in a fun way.
And a woman wanting to be Santa could work, like imagine a story where maybe Candy was actually a really friendly kind person and Santa was becoming jaded and cynical. I could see me rooting for her then since maybe Candy cared more about the holiday. But as is, she treats it more like a job.
Didn't we already get a stop-motion Christmas movie about a woman wanting to be Santa? Like in the seventies?? The Year Without a Santa Claus???
Why did they greenlight this; the artistic effort was so wasted 🤦
I love that movie so goddamn much. Mrs. Claus would curbstomp Candy's ass ngl.
That was more 5 minutes or something like that.
For the same reason they greenlit Big Mouth: (Jewish) Nepotism.
@@juandacharroninja You're not allowed to say that word!!!
But yeah. Why is Candy so stereotypically Jewish-looking? The long, overgrown, curly black hair, the nose... I am not Jewish, but my great great aunt was in Auschwitz. If I were Jewish, I would feel INSULTED.
@@juandacharroninja woah, buddy
what did you mean by what?
Apparently this was moved to Tubi of all places. Hell, Tubi has the Flintstones last time I checked
I like the Design of the Reindeers.
This concludes the Likable things about this show.
Honestly Seth rogen and Sarah Silverman are the two biggest hacks in Hollywood, them getting together to make something was inevitably going to be pure cancer.
Ehhh. Like any career, they've had ups and downs: and their so imminent, that when their down: everyone notices.
@@blenderbanana well they used to be pretty talented, I enjoyed most the stuff they acted or va'd in. But now they're both super political and it's what they're "comedy" revolves around now
@@cupocoffee9369 it's like their political, but insincere. Like only going through the motions, and only saying enough to register as "left-leaning".
Their politically lazy, just like their comedy.
I genuinely cannot figure out why people think Seth Roger is funny
@@katiekreature He's Charismatic. Even his voice. Just the things out of his mouth aren't funny.
Charming though
I'm starting to realize a lot of animations meant for "mature audiences" are not very mature writing wise.
Mature audience basically means twelve year olds and adults with the brains of twelve year olds
I've seen kids cartoons more mature than most of adult shows
@@sonicfanboy3375Avatar The Last Airbender is one of the best examples of this.
We live in time when media "for children" is more mature than media supposedly for adults...
@@ExtremeMadnessX There are some exceptions such as Guillermo del Toro's Pinnochio but a lot of the time "mature" is childish.
The fact that they actually had a decent plot going in makes it so much worse. I probably would dislike it less if it was just stupid all around, but they HAD good ideas, they just had the worst writers imaginable.
No even the idea was stupid. If the lesson was it should not be about the title but the actions and sprite of the title. Candy would not be a good Santa. She was mean, cynical and hated kids but for her the title was more important. I know a lot of “minority” groups just want the big title only because the “man” is “keeping” it from them. It would have been an interesting story it that was the lesson.
@@MrSophire She doesn't hate kids. Bro, did you even watch it?
What good ideas?
@@kingofcards9 I mean what Saberspark said. The idea of having woman be the next in line to become santa, only to be belittled by the powers that be, I feel like you could make great commentary out of that as long as it's not hammered over the head.
But the show takes a fucking sledgehammer and knocks your teeth out like tom and jerry
@@FreshDecimate12 the problem is this is not the subject matter to do it with, why Santa?
The only thing i can think of that was a bigger waste of clay then this was that time one of aardmans studios burned down
The difference is everyone actually felt bad when it happened to Aardman.
Santa Inc: *labelled the worst Christmas animated movie ever made*
Rapsittie Street Kids:
Rapsittie is at least _entertainingly_ bad. It's so over-the-top in its incompetence that that's where its charm lies.
Santa Inc is just... _hollow_ bad.
At least Rsk actually have a good message
@@LendriMujina The grandma is the best character
I think Rapsittie seems worse but Santa Inc seems less fun to watch.
Not unlike Manos the Hands of Fate vs Garbage Pail Kids.
For everyone who saw the Santa speech scene and were completely upset the show rejected it, I highly recommend watching “Arthur Christmas” it basically takes that whole scene and shows what it could have been
This and Velma are the exact personification of a good idea done horribly wrong.
On the flip side Puss and Boots the last wish is the personification of a Meh idea done perfectly right.
What is wrong with today’s world…?
The same thing that was wrong with yesterday's world, stupid people that loves to force their beliefs down peoples' throats then demonize them if they don't accept it such as call them names such as communist, socialist, fascist, nazi, unamerican and etc.
Wow that’s sad the concept seemed good but execution was horrible it’s a shame cause I really liked the animation
You can really taste the spite from this movie. especially at the speech as to why Candy doesn't have what it takes to be Santa. I get the feeling the writers were turned down from better positions and this is their Get Back.
With how bad this movie is, I can see why they were turned down. I wouldn't want this shit in my studios either.
I saw Just Stop's synopsis of this and SANTA WAS GOING TO GIVER HER THE POSITION OF CEO! She would work everyone from the shadows while the intern played Santa! Wtf!!!
Santa didn't explain sh*t, so now he gets to eat sh*t
11:48 "shut up winking charachter, im gonna kill you" saber turned into evil woody there for a second
You had some Jewish people who don't celebrate or understand the Holiday, on record Seth has stated this, trying to make a Christmas movie with a modern "message". Of course they are going to botch it, the best parodies come from people who understand the characters and themes they are making fun of.
They even went out of their way to insult the critics of the show, Seth Rogan is not a person you want to hire if your show does even slightly bad. He will always make it worse.
The animators deserved to work on a better written storyline.
It's even sadder when you realize that the unlikeable characterization of Candy is actually just Sarah Silverman self-inserting herself. Watch her comedy - that's literally just who she is lol
What turned her into such a bitter [birthing person]?
@@Xbalanque84Achsuallyyy, more like [female dog]
The old movie 'they live' is a great example of how you can make a character both an asshole and likable. The main character in the movie played by Roddy Piper is pretty much a down on his luck guy who acts very assholeish to those around him even before he finds out the world is ran by aliens. The moment in my opinion that makes him likable is when he begins to recount his past to another character and shares a heartbreaking story about his father which when you look into the real life childhood of Roddy Piper you find out may have been disturbingly autobiographical for him
The show almost redeemed itself in the final episode. There was a great scene where Santa decided that Candy wouldn't be Santa, and for a good reason, but still have her as thee most important person in the operation, which was a fair compromise.
They still fucked it up.
Silverman and Rogen got coal in their stockings for sure the year this was released 😂
It's annoying bc visually this looks fantastic, i love stopmotion and the visual designs of these characters actually look good! And then! The writing! Dear fucking god!
The best part of this show was when santa gives a perfectly valid and logical reason why she shouldn't be santa, and she's just like "nah fuck you! Patriarchy! I should get everything I want cause I'm a woman and if you don't give it to me, you're a misogynist!" It really shows how the creators actually feel XD It's people who think like that that give feminism a bad name.
It's like actually sending anti-feminist messages by pretending it to be feministic.
I think what truly makes this show rotten to the core is that it takes Christmas, and the holidays in general, this time for love, giving, comfort, and goodwill, things that unify people, and fills it with everything that makes our current day so divisive with no nuisance back it up. It doesn’t help that all the characters are about as appealing as a bad holiday fruit cake. It straight comes across as if the creators hate everything Christmas represents. And when South Park handles what Christmas represents better than you, then you know you failed.
Is it me, or does Rogen have a general vindiction towards any type of goodwill or Christian allegory?
-Sausage party-vindiction towards the afterlife and extremely nihlist to living in general hedonism.
-Santa Inc-Trying to demonize the goodwill of man towards a corporate leaning perspective, also general hedonism l
-That pickle movie i forgot the name to-Once again disdain towards christianity
It seems that after moving on from his "Dude,weed lmao" phase he's moved on to a nihlist phase.
1:14 Tubi has some good stuff. I mean, its the only place to watch some Super Sentai and Kamen Rider legally.
That decreases the odds Toei will EVER license more of them out for english subbing, but that's what fansubs are for.
God I wish live action Japanese shows would get a competent form of early Crunchyroll (Free w/ads, and comprehensive as all hell in terms of line up. The classics, the new stuff, and everything inbetween. Maybe even with simulsubbing, but that's being too optimistic for Toei specifically.
Krampus, a Christmas Horror Comedy that is PG-13 is probably a more mature piece of adult-ish Christmas media than this series lol. Then again tho I'm comparing a masterpiece to this
My husband and I quote every Christmas “I just got my ass handed to me by a bunch of Christmas cookies “! 😂
@@SarafinaSummers that's awesome lol. I was excited to see David Koechner in Final Destination 5 as I loved Krampus before. I had an obsession with the FD franchise all year so David is a classic horror actor icon to me now lol
This like a Christmas version of Velma (2023) and also do a video on that horrible Warner Bros and Paramount merge possibly.
Warner Bros and Paramount are not merging
Yet
Their in talks
But i highly doubt it's gonna happen
“What if she thinks she’s handing out candy canes and it’s tampons.” I died. I laughed so hard. Nothing can ever top that. Give this movie all the things
You want to know what hit the nail on the head for me.
.... It was such a forced plot, with the entire 'Santa Workshop' being re-written to include an entire corporate structure that no other narrative has, and that's ignoring the culture of it. It literally made NO sense .. what so ever, to any bigotry... and the only bloody question I have is 'Why'... Why does 'santa' or 'the elf' even give a shit about 'who is the top dog' when the world will only ever say 'Santa Clause' and even if she took off and rocketed the holiday into space... She would still be the faceless dawg wearing the 'santa mask', and the only one who will know her are .... the people who are painfully familiar with the whole process. (Kinda like sparing for top tog for a development studio... where the only name ever shown to anyone is the studio Holder name, and you along with anyone who even partly works with/for are literally unable to even tell or let be known you're in that studio or let it be known it that holder name isn't one person with only a nameless team of helpers)
You want to know what made Bojack.. Good... EVERYTHING was grounded and made sense... from the overly cheerful friends, to the unreal amounts of different abuses, the traumas... and while some of the stuff was overly contrived, it all made fucking sense.. Bojack made sense as a broken person.. along with everyone else. The story wasn't ... force feed an agenda to fit some super 4th wall narrative and some progressive pockets, all the while the main creators .. .actually LOVED & ENGAGED with the show in the public sphere.
This movie is proof seth rogan is just full of hate, while saying hes fighting against hate.
100%
All due respect to the studio, but maybe a Christmas series shouldn't be helmed by people who don't celebrate christmas.
Like you wouldn't get Rankin Bass to make a Hannukah movie right?
You know, funny thing is that when Santa inevitably doesn't pick Candy as his successor, his logic is fairly reasonable and not because she's a woman: It's because she's bad with kids which is a rather important part of being Santa.
He even makes an offer that the intern he picked a his successor is the face of the company while Candy herself is the one actually in charge and making all the decisions. She tells him to fuck himself and it's presented like you are supposed to be rooting for her.
I remember watching a video talking about a scene that almost could have saved the show singlehandedly if it was done right.
The dialogue between Candy and Santa about why Candy wasn't chosen is legitimately great.
But then they fuck it up.
You should check out “penguin land”. It’s a very chaotic movie about a group of penguins not being able to catch fish, so they decide to build a garden in the Arctic.