I love the difference between Karl's and Ian's answers. Karl will give a good explanation sighting examples while painting a good mental picture. Ian decrees thou shall not change barrel profile.
"The pins are not going to be captive on this one" "Just don't throw them away during disassembly, how hard can it be ?" *"Where can I get spare pins ?"*
the mossberg rep is gonna come by the brownells booth in a few minutes to extract revenge. "3D printer lower? couldn't finish it in time for the show, huh?" "so where's the optic, smart guy?" "is that a CARBON FIBER HANDGUARD?!"
I like how you are willing into going into some technical details, not trying to hide behind trade secrets or anything. Being willing to already talk about plans on polymers and pins is great.
I hope this endeavor is successful because: 1. Ian and Karl deserve our support ergo to be monetary independent from distribution channels revenu and keep what their doing now - educating us while entertaining us; 2. Russel is cool dude and his work for KeArms should be acknowledged; Brownells look like a great company to work with on your dream project. Good job guys.
So to clarify, those two products have made this my favorite shot show so far lol sorry q but people have a hard time justifying pvs14 prices before optics on a bolt gun lol
SinistralRifleman lol i get what you were thinking, big dog. i just get a kick out of seeing your trademark version of expressing absolute panic. congrats on the project!
Seeing InRangeTV presenting at ShotShow makes me excited for the future. With their history of no BS and calling out the rest of the firearms industry for misleading practices, I look forward to seeing how the industry changes from increasing public recognition of InRange.
It’ll be interesting to see how sales are. Gimmicks and flashy will always sell. There are still way more gun owners who are “blow stuff up, beers, titties” than listening to Ian give a lecture on the history of French rifle inscriptions.
The WWSD parts look like they actually belong together now. The gun wasn't exactly ugly before but it did have a certain frankengun look to it. Looks really cool now.
"Has to be designed for the material in mind" And this is why it can take 4 to 5 years to get an engineering degree, especially if you plan to build stuff. Also, I love the use of additive manufacturing for rapid prototyping. Yes, it does take a while to make all the mold. I assume the WWSD2020 lowers are made with a proprietary polymer blend
You guys rock! You had an idea, it was a huge success, and now it’s a main stream product offered by one of the biggest firearms and accessories retailers in the world. BRAVO, guys. Incredible work you do!
“Is there going to be other barrel profiles offered because I don’t believe the results that IRTV has posted two different times on video?” Ian: waiting with giddy anticipation for the mic...... “NOPE”
To be fair, he said "with supressors in mind" which indicates that he wants to be able to add and remove the suppressor without having the more pronounced barrel sag from a pencil barrel. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how big the difference is between a pencil barrel and a thicker profile barrel in that regard though.
@@randymagnum143 That's actually a problem I've always had with this project. I can get behind the overall weight reduction but if stoner was alive today he would be designing a rifle for a world with increasing use of suppressors and night vision. This rifle can't really use either effectively.
To be fair gentlemen, by the time you are using these rifles for two legged eradication..... suppressors will not be needed.... not to mention that suppressing a 223/5.56 is a waste of time and money and nothing more than posturing. Stoner designed his rifle for military purposes and at that time suppressors were not so widely used as they are today. As Ian and Carl stated in this video and in previous concept videos about the WWSD they are following a specific set of rules laid out by stoner. Different barrel profiles would negate the whole principal and balance of what they started out to accomplish. And good for them for sticking to their guns and staying true to their principals and not letting anyone bastardize their rifle.
@@titanscerw IR lasers are almost always put in the 12 o'clock position all the way at the end of the picatiny rail. Having to use an Mlock to picatiny rail adapter is already a compromise because IR lasers are notorious for not holding zero.Those front mlock slots are also blocked by the gas block on the faxon rail. So you either have to put the laser further back on the rail creating laser clearance and barrel shadow issues with your IR illuminator or put the laser at the 3 o'clock position, which should be avoided.
@@MadJustin7 one larger 1913 rail will get you by and just have to be aware while setting it up, karl uses laser designators so I'm sure this was a consideration (I know he added one during wwsd 2017)
The takeover is complete! Ian and Karl pissed off vendors with actual questions in previous shot shows and now they are hosted by Brownell's to unveil their own project. Up yours, establishment! Also it is refreshing to see these guys answer questions immediately with facts and explanations of why this or that is that way insead of the usual hemming and hawing we get from sales reps and gun bunnies.
So excited for WWSD2020. Edited to add, just pre-ordered the mk3 with an extra FDE mk3 lower. Hopefully I was soon enough to get a nice low SN. Going to be a fun Q2.
I work in live events and although it's been a very long time since I've mixed audio live, seeing Ian help Russell with his mic placement made me feel like everything was right with the world for just a moment.
It's incredible to think that the InRangeTV crew having reached out to various manufacturers over the years for what was originally a passion project has become a pretty major R&D event within the industry. Huge credit to Brownells for having the publicity sense to jump on board this endeavour with such enthusiasm. Cooperation surely breeds innovation. As for the project itself, I'm not much of a modern platform kinda guy. The craziest thing I've done is experiment with 44-40 cases using percussion caps and black powder loads. Usually rifles like the AR-15 don't interest me -- you've seen one build, you've seen them all, right? But what Ian and Karl are doing is nothing short of phenomenal. They're going back to the roots of the platform and designing a rifle system that is the very essence of Stoner's vision. They're proving that you can absolutely reinvent the wheel. EDIT: Can we give Ian some appreciation for that vest?
“When I was young I really wanted to change the system. I was ready to fight. I was going to be the best, no matter what. Once you get caught up in the game, you suddenly realize the system you wanted to change actually changed you. I lost my way.”
@@MyLonewolf25 Very much so, considering what you normally pay for a flared mag well lower, extension tube, end plate, castle nut, grip, and fixed stock.
Karl I’m super happy for you and Ian...!!! Great work with the channel, I remember not to long ago you guys starting this channel saying we will see where it goes. Now look partnered with Brownells at shot...!!! At a boy 👦
Are there plans to produce an OD green version of your lower down the line? I only heard Sinestral mention "black" and "FDE" (khaki), but surely you guys wouldn't want to disappoint the USCM now would you...
Yay! I'm so happy for y'all that you get to bring a creation from your passion for firearms and engineering to a main stage through a proper manufacturer and provider. All of us as ForgottenWeapons viewers and InrangeTV viewers are very proud of you Ian and Karl. You make the firearms world just a bit more tolerable to the mundane crap we see daily. Thank you. Side note. What BCG are y'all using?
The original project had a standard mil-spec bcg, so I would assume that's what this has too. Either made by KE arms or whatever company Brownell's contracts their bcg's through.
@@dialingtron9473 I noticed it was nickel boron which made me think not a standard one, I have a failzero lightweight in mine. Probably a standard Brownells NiB if I had to hazard a guess, cause I don't think Faxon makes a milspec NiB
@@Rltvader1 I went with a nitride PSA in my poverty pony. Also didn't really want to mess with lightweight BCG's because I didn't want to jeopardize reliability considering ~90% of what I shoot is steel case.
@@dialingtron9473 I had a PSA in one of mine and it shredded a gas ring within 200 rounds, it got shipped off with a cheap AR. I have 2 lightweight BCGs. Both are running with Faxon Barrels. One is a Adams Arms lightweight Carrier, and the other is the FailZero. Both have zero bolt bounce and shoot great with no problems concerning reliability with any ammo I have tested from steel case monarch to Hornady. My 18" with the Adams arms BCG has a rifle length gas system and rifle length buffer, and all of my rifles have at least a mid length or rifle length gas system. Any shorter than that and I would be running a Milspec Carrier. My 16" has a Toolcraft Milspec Carrier and is working great so far. So I'm not opposed to it. But I like a lightweight Carrier if it is an option.
YAY!!! Saving up now! Hope this is a smash hit! I remember watching the original "jeep testing" video of the Cavs lower on full30, how far we've come! Keep it up guys!
Just pre-ordered. Good choice on the titanium muzzle device! All I ask is that you include a flash hider. Please, no muzzle brakes. I shoot with night vision often. FH is a must. 556 doesn't need the recoil reduction.
Just get the SAFEMOD from allstar tactical, and don't epoxy the screws in place. Plenty of plausible deniability if law enforcement ever sees it, and fully reversible.
Just have the stripped lower shipped to your FFL and build it yourself. The stripped lower by itself is 100% legal, and any moron with a screwdriver set and a punch can put together a lower. Uppers are a little more complicated but you'll probably be able to buy the upper complete. If you really don't want to build it yourself you could have your FFL install the SAFEMOD. If you are in WNY, Allstar will probably do it, and I know The Firing Pin will, but they will probably insist on epoxying the screws. If you absolutely have to go that route, you could always drill out the one they install and replace it yourself with a fresh one without the epoxy, but at that point it really would have been simpler to just build the whole lower yourself.
Ian Karl and Russell, now that the Brownells have released uppers and lowers for their BRN180, and the likelihood that alternatives will pop up here and there, is there any plans in the future of the WWSD project to put together an AR180 style build? Are there enough advantages in a folding stock design to seriously consider the project at all? If so, given that the 180 design puts less stress on the lower and should be easier to design, would KEArms work on a polymer lower for that project also?
Awesome project! I am curious if any of Jim Sullivan's design upgrades have made into this rifle? I would also love to see it chambered in 6.8, the direction our Military seems to be headed, and in 6.5 Grendle, the direction they should have gone.
Will there be a model of the WWSD rifle for ban states, as the current model doesn't have an adjustable stock, bayonet lug, I image that with little modification such a model could be produced
The problem is there's no such thing as "little modification" when it comes to injection molding. As Russ pointed out, making small cuts in the polymer both potentially weakens it past tolerances and drastically increases scrap rate, which lowers yield. And that doesn't include the added cost of adding the modification tooling to the production line. You could make a separate mold to specifically handle those modifications, but new injection molds tend to cost $20K each or more.
@@patrickdertz9110 True, I just like not having to worry about repainting it if it gets scuffed up or it having a weird texture or the color looking dull. I am also very lazy.
No i asked ke arms themselves and they would have atf issues. it would be a perfect host and if it was like the p80 it would be sold out in seconds. sad i hope they change their minds soon
I hope the Faxon carbon fiber handguards get back in stock sometime soon. There are no suitable alternatives, are there? Like I know Lancer makes some, but they're heavier than Faxon's.
I'm looking at the Brownell"s website and i see three options for pre-ordering the lower. Stripped, Complete Mil-Spec, and "KE ARMS LLC - AR-15 MK3 COMPLETE LOWER RECEIVERS AMBIDEXTROUS POLYMER" . The last one lists the SLT-1 Trigger and Ambi selector switch in the description. It doesn't mention the Ambi bolt release or the buffer assembly. Are these parts also included in this package?
The ambi lower includes SLT-1 trigger, ambi selector and mag catch. It does not include the PDQ lever or Silent capture spring system. If it is not specifically listed it is not included.
I hate to compare something you guys made to ATI, and i know you designed for it, but i'm curious with something like an out of battery discharge how well a polymer lower would protect your hands. Obviously thats not an ideal scenario, but there is something to be said for aluminum potentially doing a better job of absorbing that blast should something catastrophic happen.
Ryan Bird “Paul was visibly shaken. We checked him for injuries and fortunately there was nothing major. He had some small scratches on his face and a fragment from the barrel extension in his inner forearm. He was wearing Oakley Half-Jacket glasses and while there was no visible impact on the glasses, Paul now uses glasses with more coverage for shooting.” sinistralrifleman.com/2014/12/23/internet-rumor-control/
@@peteranderson037 i believe its B5, as they're a manufacturer that already produces stocks, grips etc. But theres nothing on their website, or on brownells about this thing soooo..
It looks like its part of that lower. The hinge is probably milled into the back of the receiver. Would be cool if it was attached with a pic rail like so many other companies have been using.
@@willswim4pie no its a picattinny attachment on the back of the lower. can take a look at the lower on brownells site, not to mention he specifically states it at 1:24
really cool to see the cav arms lower getting an update. I cant wait to pick one up, I always regretted selling the one I had gotten from Sean.
4 года назад
Will you make a lead-lined/filled version for the people who want to feel the weight? Just like an airsoft gun or Chinese watch with lead weights in it to make it feel expensive for the postmodernists from Ukraine?
Ordered my black lower today. They are in stock. I ll post back when it is in hand to share delivery times. The updated photos look good. Don't forget Steyr and Glock paved the way for non metal firearms.
are there any longevity issues with pencil barrels? im quite new to firearms, so i have no idea what kind of wear and tear happens in the action or through the barrel over time.
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
seeing ian live out his dream of writing his name into weapons design history brings a tear to my eye. congrats from a proud stranger.
really cool how big the WWSD project has become in such a short time
You were supposed to destroy the Shot Show vendors, not join them!
..the thin end of the wedge has to start somewhere, for some, this is literally it, for others, it's joining the herd.
But where better to destroy them, than to show them how it should be done?
AJ Tomeček brownells gets a pass for all the cool products they put out that actually work. And for helping InRange to make their dream guns a reality
Money talks
Remember how they used to shill Hudson
Gun Jesus has the high ground.
I love the difference between Karl's and Ian's answers. Karl will give a good explanation sighting examples while painting a good mental picture. Ian decrees thou shall not change barrel profile.
"The pins are not going to be captive on this one"
"Just don't throw them away during disassembly, how hard can it be ?"
*"Where can I get spare pins ?"*
I figured I would go ahead and ask that right then and there, because I am certain I am going to be losing some at some point. :-)
@@DeviantOllam better than having to run to the hardware store
@Mr. Completely No one asked if the lower would be available separately.
@@MultiLoganM If you watch his DEF CON talks, you'll see that @DeviantOllam basically *is* a hardware store.
having disassembly pin sockets might be a good idea
"Hey we made this cool ar with all the extra crap cut out, any questions?"
"Do you plan on adding extra crap?"
"No"
LOL - solid mate
Hahaha
Rifle is fine!
+
"Hey we made this cool AR with all the extra crap cut out, any questions?"
"Yes, can it do my taxes?"
"No."
I'm going to miss the Roasting of Products this year :-(
Give it time.
the mossberg rep is gonna come by the brownells booth in a few minutes to extract revenge. "3D printer lower? couldn't finish it in time for the show, huh?" "so where's the optic, smart guy?" "is that a CARBON FIBER HANDGUARD?!"
@@TSpencerWise id actualy love to see that as an agreed upon, all in good fun, skit
Hats off to you, gentlemen (as well as KE and Brownells). Can't help but respect a "Be the change you want to see" attitude. Congratulations 🍻
Well done Brownells, Karl, Ian, Fagan!
I like how you are willing into going into some technical details, not trying to hide behind trade secrets or anything. Being willing to already talk about plans on polymers and pins is great.
They have to be prepared for when inrangeTV comes around to ask questions. They don't want to end up like Franklin Armory.
I hope this endeavor is successful because: 1. Ian and Karl deserve our support ergo to be monetary independent from distribution channels revenu and keep what their doing now - educating us while entertaining us; 2. Russel is cool dude and his work for KeArms should be acknowledged; Brownells look like a great company to work with on your dream project. Good job guys.
After all the reviews of awful ShotShow stuff
"well I'll get my own ShotShow booth,
with blackjack, and hookers!"
I just realised that at under 6lbs, this real rifle weighs less than my Airsoft MP5...
That's without a mag, right?. A 30 round mag is almost exactly 1 pound extra
@@tommihommi1 Without a mag but with an optic. Just over 6 pounds with a mag I assume. Still pretty crazy.
Before optics, this rifle for manoeuvring combined with a sig cross for precision.... is lighter than my configured precision rifle... lol
So to clarify, those two products have made this my favorite shot show so far lol sorry q but people have a hard time justifying pvs14 prices before optics on a bolt gun lol
"Confused screaming"
Ian isn't wearing a military combat shirt from one of many different countries. Whats up?
I was really hoping for his WW I British officer's cap. Think it would have paired well with the overall dapper appearance.
Brownells rep: "Black or tan"
Russ: "..flat dark earth"
Karl: "SAME THING!"
Russ: *eyes dart around the room autistically*
?
Black and tan meant something completely different in Ireland in 1920
THERE IS NO COLOR BUT OD GREEN!!!!
Without the correction people would be reeeing.
Desert Tan, Coyote Brown, and FDE are all different plastic colors
SinistralRifleman lol i get what you were thinking, big dog. i just get a kick out of seeing your trademark version of expressing absolute panic. congrats on the project!
And now brownells’ site is gonna crash
Yeah it crashed lol.
“The hug of death.”
Poor customer support?
How did they not see this coming?
They are in stock now. I ordered one lower assembled an hour ago
"We're building a standardised low weight rifle"
"Can we modify it and add weight?"
Puts barrel in mouth
Seeing InRangeTV presenting at ShotShow makes me excited for the future. With their history of no BS and calling out the rest of the firearms industry for misleading practices, I look forward to seeing how the industry changes from increasing public recognition of InRange.
It’ll be interesting to see how sales are. Gimmicks and flashy will always sell. There are still way more gun owners who are “blow stuff up, beers, titties” than listening to Ian give a lecture on the history of French rifle inscriptions.
The WWSD parts look like they actually belong together now. The gun wasn't exactly ugly before but it did have a certain frankengun look to it. Looks really cool now.
'Is there gonna be adjustable length of pull'.
Karl ' no shut up'
The question was "are there any plans to have stocks with DIFFERENT LENGTHS OF PULL" not adjustable stocks. They misheard the question just like you.
@@miltechmoto Brownells answered that; yes - with add on but plates. So you go longer, but not shorter.
"Has to be designed for the material in mind"
And this is why it can take 4 to 5 years to get an engineering degree, especially if you plan to build stuff.
Also, I love the use of additive manufacturing for rapid prototyping. Yes, it does take a while to make all the mold.
I assume the WWSD2020 lowers are made with a proprietary polymer blend
Yes.
@@InrangeTv You know it will be scientifically checked by AvE using a soldering iron and his nose ;)
@@InrangeTv must be skookum as frig.
You guys rock! You had an idea, it was a huge success, and now it’s a main stream product offered by one of the biggest firearms and accessories retailers in the world.
BRAVO, guys. Incredible work you do!
“Is there going to be other barrel profiles offered because I don’t believe the results that IRTV has posted two different times on video?”
Ian: waiting with giddy anticipation for the mic......
“NOPE”
To be fair, he said "with supressors in mind" which indicates that he wants to be able to add and remove the suppressor without having the more pronounced barrel sag from a pencil barrel. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how big the difference is between a pencil barrel and a thicker profile barrel in that regard though.
@@randymagnum143 That's actually a problem I've always had with this project. I can get behind the overall weight reduction but if stoner was alive today he would be designing a rifle for a world with increasing use of suppressors and night vision. This rifle can't really use either effectively.
To be fair gentlemen, by the time you are using these rifles for two legged eradication..... suppressors will not be needed.... not to mention that suppressing a 223/5.56 is a waste of time and money and nothing more than posturing. Stoner designed his rifle for military purposes and at that time suppressors were not so widely used as they are today. As Ian and Carl stated in this video and in previous concept videos about the WWSD they are following a specific set of rules laid out by stoner. Different barrel profiles would negate the whole principal and balance of what they started out to accomplish.
And good for them for sticking to their guns and staying true to their principals and not letting anyone bastardize their rifle.
@@titanscerw IR lasers are almost always put in the 12 o'clock position all the way at the end of the picatiny rail. Having to use an Mlock to picatiny rail adapter is already a compromise because IR lasers are notorious for not holding zero.Those front mlock slots are also blocked by the gas block on the faxon rail. So you either have to put the laser further back on the rail creating laser clearance and barrel shadow issues with your IR illuminator or put the laser at the 3 o'clock position, which should be avoided.
@@MadJustin7 one larger 1913 rail will get you by and just have to be aware while setting it up, karl uses laser designators so I'm sure this was a consideration (I know he added one during wwsd 2017)
So cool that such a sound concept has actually found both market traction and large company support
The takeover is complete! Ian and Karl pissed off vendors with actual questions in previous shot shows and now they are hosted by Brownell's to unveil their own project. Up yours, establishment! Also it is refreshing to see these guys answer questions immediately with facts and explanations of why this or that is that way insead of the usual hemming and hawing we get from sales reps and gun bunnies.
So excited for WWSD2020.
Edited to add, just pre-ordered the mk3 with an extra FDE mk3 lower. Hopefully I was soon enough to get a nice low SN. Going to be a fun Q2.
same :)
Didn't see where the fde was an option.
@@mpeugeot it's an option if you backorder just the lower. The mk3 build appears to only be available for pre-order in black.
Never thought I would be excited for a AR-15 again.
Great job guys, thank you to Brownells and KE arms for making this possible.
Now this is pod racing.
ingrange tv the only guys at shotshow with a male goateed gun bunny
Finally a press release I can stand watching
It's funny how 2 people who have actually looked at the history of firearms have come up with an outstanding new idea. Bravo boys!
You turned a thought into a dream into a tangible thing... cant wait to hold it in my hands.
Cool that brow bells has the retro line, and then the “where this could have gone” rifle
I work in live events and although it's been a very long time since I've mixed audio live, seeing Ian help Russell with his mic placement made me feel like everything was right with the world for just a moment.
I used to think I'd have no problems whatsoever with such things until I actually had to speak into a mic.
They should have used model number IRTV-20 or something. You deserve that as a recognition of your efforts.
Also: Deviant, watch you fingers please.
The uppers are labeled WWSD2020.
The model being MK3 is a reference to the earlier CAV-15 models without being directly tied to it.
Watching people who are intimately knowledgeable about the topic talk without any marketing flair is so refreshing. Thanks guys
It's incredible to think that the InRangeTV crew having reached out to various manufacturers over the years for what was originally a passion project has become a pretty major R&D event within the industry. Huge credit to Brownells for having the publicity sense to jump on board this endeavour with such enthusiasm. Cooperation surely breeds innovation.
As for the project itself, I'm not much of a modern platform kinda guy. The craziest thing I've done is experiment with 44-40 cases using percussion caps and black powder loads. Usually rifles like the AR-15 don't interest me -- you've seen one build, you've seen them all, right? But what Ian and Karl are doing is nothing short of phenomenal. They're going back to the roots of the platform and designing a rifle system that is the very essence of Stoner's vision. They're proving that you can absolutely reinvent the wheel.
EDIT: Can we give Ian some appreciation for that vest?
Did he just say Black and Tan?
O Reilly! Get the fertilizer!
“When I was young I really wanted to change the system. I was ready to fight. I was going to be the best, no matter what. Once you get caught up in the game, you suddenly realize the system you wanted to change actually changed you. I lost my way.”
Did I miss the price on the lower itself?
Never mind $90.00 for stripped receiver
SMACK1978 honestly that’s really reasonable
@@MyLonewolf25 Very much so, considering what you normally pay for a flared mag well lower, extension tube, end plate, castle nut, grip, and fixed stock.
Agreed 👍🏻
It's a downright bargain. I could definitely see these replacing Aero as the go-to lowers for budget builds.
That's all???
It was great to meet the two of you, thank you for sharing your time with me.
Russel electric as always, charisma +10
Look at our boys.. how far they have come. Excellent presentation. Bravo
Karl I’m super happy for you and Ian...!!! Great work with the channel, I remember not to long ago you guys starting this channel saying we will see where it goes. Now look partnered with Brownells at shot...!!! At a boy 👦
So cool that you guys were able to turn this idea and experiment into a business venture involving multiple companies. Congrats!
Are there plans to produce an OD green version of your lower down the line? I only heard Sinestral mention "black" and "FDE" (khaki), but surely you guys wouldn't want to disappoint the USCM now would you...
Yay!
I'm so happy for y'all that you get to bring a creation from your passion for firearms and engineering to a main stage through a proper manufacturer and provider. All of us as ForgottenWeapons viewers and InrangeTV viewers are very proud of you Ian and Karl. You make the firearms world just a bit more tolerable to the mundane crap we see daily.
Thank you.
Side note.
What BCG are y'all using?
The original project had a standard mil-spec bcg, so I would assume that's what this has too. Either made by KE arms or whatever company Brownell's contracts their bcg's through.
@@dialingtron9473 I noticed it was nickel boron which made me think not a standard one, I have a failzero lightweight in mine.
Probably a standard Brownells NiB if I had to hazard a guess, cause I don't think Faxon makes a milspec NiB
@@Rltvader1 I went with a nitride PSA in my poverty pony. Also didn't really want to mess with lightweight BCG's because I didn't want to jeopardize reliability considering ~90% of what I shoot is steel case.
@@dialingtron9473 I had a PSA in one of mine and it shredded a gas ring within 200 rounds, it got shipped off with a cheap AR. I have 2 lightweight BCGs.
Both are running with Faxon Barrels. One is a Adams Arms lightweight Carrier, and the other is the FailZero. Both have zero bolt bounce and shoot great with no problems concerning reliability with any ammo I have tested from steel case monarch to Hornady.
My 18" with the Adams arms BCG has a rifle length gas system and rifle length buffer, and all of my rifles have at least a mid length or rifle length gas system. Any shorter than that and I would be running a Milspec Carrier.
My 16" has a Toolcraft Milspec Carrier and is working great so far. So I'm not opposed to it. But I like a lightweight Carrier if it is an option.
@@dialingtron9473 poverty ponies for life, I don't believe in dropping lots of money on lowers
Gun Jesus and Obi-gun Kenobi killing it at yet another shot show !
I'm genuinely happy for you guys! It's really cool this is coming to fruition. I'm super stoked!
I was tickled about the WWSD project, I am so happy Brownells picked this up and is selling it!! Congrats to InRange for a cool rifle.
Y’all are awesome. Congratulations. It’s nice to see people who actually use firearms and appreciate them to have an influence in their design.
Will there be 18" or 20" barrels available from faxon with the pencil profile?
YAY!!! Saving up now! Hope this is a smash hit! I remember watching the original "jeep testing" video of the Cavs lower on full30, how far we've come! Keep it up guys!
Just pre-ordered. Good choice on the titanium muzzle device! All I ask is that you include a flash hider. Please, no muzzle brakes. I shoot with night vision often. FH is a must. 556 doesn't need the recoil reduction.
I hope they make a NY compliant version with a pinned magazine release that could easily be removed upon moving to a free state
Just get the SAFEMOD from allstar tactical, and don't epoxy the screws in place. Plenty of plausible deniability if law enforcement ever sees it, and fully reversible.
miller306678 so would I just have brownells ship the rifle to them first?
Just have the stripped lower shipped to your FFL and build it yourself. The stripped lower by itself is 100% legal, and any moron with a screwdriver set and a punch can put together a lower. Uppers are a little more complicated but you'll probably be able to buy the upper complete.
If you really don't want to build it yourself you could have your FFL install the SAFEMOD. If you are in WNY, Allstar will probably do it, and I know The Firing Pin will, but they will probably insist on epoxying the screws. If you absolutely have to go that route, you could always drill out the one they install and replace it yourself with a fresh one without the epoxy, but at that point it really would have been simpler to just build the whole lower yourself.
miller306678 thanks for the advice fren
Or, crazy concept, you could just build an ar
well done guys this is monumental. you have designed a definitive ar platform all your firearm knowledge practice and experimentation has paid off.
Ian and Karl, you should consider signing some of the rifles. Like a dremel on the lower or something.
Or mold it into the polymer? maybe a brand?
I was planning on copying the wwsd build, but this is really cool to see inrange working with companies. I’ll look into buying one for sure.
Very happy for your success guys, you deserve it. I'm looking forward to getting my own wwsd rifle
Ian Karl and Russell, now that the Brownells have released uppers and lowers for their BRN180, and the likelihood that alternatives will pop up here and there, is there any plans in the future of the WWSD project to put together an AR180 style build? Are there enough advantages in a folding stock design to seriously consider the project at all? If so, given that the 180 design puts less stress on the lower and should be easier to design, would KEArms work on a polymer lower for that project also?
No, that is not on the radar whatsoever.
Awesome project!
I am curious if any of Jim Sullivan's design upgrades have made into this rifle?
I would also love to see it chambered in 6.8, the direction our Military seems to be headed, and in 6.5 Grendle, the direction they should have gone.
Did anyone else catch the name of the company making the retro looking BRN-180 stock they mentioned? Sounded like "V5" but I couldn't tell for sure.
I couldn't hear it either.
After listening again I think it's "B5" as in b5systems.com - though they don't show the stock on their website (yet).
Will there be a model of the WWSD rifle for ban states, as the current model doesn't have an adjustable stock, bayonet lug, I image that with little modification such a model could be produced
The problem is there's no such thing as "little modification" when it comes to injection molding. As Russ pointed out, making small cuts in the polymer both potentially weakens it past tolerances and drastically increases scrap rate, which lowers yield. And that doesn't include the added cost of adding the modification tooling to the production line. You could make a separate mold to specifically handle those modifications, but new injection molds tend to cost $20K each or more.
If they made a wolf grey version I would die happy, still buying one though after I turn 21.
Same, I'd really like a grey option.
You could always paint it later on
@@patrickdertz9110 And I very likely will.
@@patrickdertz9110 True, I just like not having to worry about repainting it if it gets scuffed up or it having a weird texture or the color looking dull. I am also very lazy.
Just duracoat it - my FDE has held up for two years on top of a blem black lower.
Man what an amazing venture. Good job guys!!!
More info on the BRN180 stock from B5 would be nice.
Thank you Brownells for teaming up with Inrangetv on this!
Brownells has become my go to for anything I need. Will never shop at midway again!
I really want just the lower, I back ordered it at brownells... when will these be shipping from brownells?
From what I have heard sometime in the 2nd quarter
I used the message feature on Brownells and the guy told me end of March but idk
That seemed to me to be missing from their discussion
K e arms will be selling the lowers by themselves
@@i7s3a7a3c yeah, their website said not shipping til October when I looked there
Congrats guys!! I’m really pulling for this project!!
Will there be an 80% version of this lower-stock-grip combo?
I hate registering anything, and I own a dremel.
No i asked ke arms themselves and they would have atf issues. it would be a perfect host and if it was like the p80 it would be sold out in seconds. sad i hope they change their minds soon
@rebelredeye You watched a gun vidio. You are already on a list without "registering" any thing.
@@DerekIcelord Ever filled out a 4473? Those are kept for years and ATF can request those whenever they want.
Is that Mossberg lady in the background?!?
I could defanintly heard Deviant Ollam in the background.
You are correct! He posted on his channel that he recorded for them!
I hope the Faxon carbon fiber handguards get back in stock sometime soon. There are no suitable alternatives, are there? Like I know Lancer makes some, but they're heavier than Faxon's.
I just got a V7 Hyperlight Magnesium handguard and it's awesome, it's like 6oz including the barrel nut
@@HariboStarman Thanks, might have to look into this. I imagine it'll get hot really fast but it's even lighter than the Faxon, that's something.
I'm looking at the Brownell"s website and i see three options for pre-ordering the lower. Stripped, Complete Mil-Spec, and "KE ARMS LLC - AR-15 MK3 COMPLETE LOWER RECEIVERS AMBIDEXTROUS POLYMER" . The last one lists the SLT-1 Trigger and Ambi selector switch in the description. It doesn't mention the Ambi bolt release or the buffer assembly. Are these parts also included in this package?
The ambi lower includes SLT-1 trigger, ambi selector and mag catch. It does not include the PDQ lever or Silent capture spring system. If it is not specifically listed it is not included.
@@SinistralRifleman Thank you! I appreciate the reply.
Congrats guys on your project becoming a product!
Any plans to add green to the color choices in the future?
It's funny that they mentioned H&K. I wonder if they considered drilling holes in the stock to retain the take down pins during cleaning.
I hate to compare something you guys made to ATI, and i know you designed for it, but i'm curious with something like an out of battery discharge how well a polymer lower would protect your hands. Obviously thats not an ideal scenario, but there is something to be said for aluminum potentially doing a better job of absorbing that blast should something catastrophic happen.
Ryan Bird
“Paul was visibly shaken. We checked him for injuries and fortunately there was nothing major. He had some small scratches on his face and a fragment from the barrel extension in his inner forearm. He was wearing Oakley Half-Jacket glasses and while there was no visible impact on the glasses, Paul now uses glasses with more coverage for shooting.”
sinistralrifleman.com/2014/12/23/internet-rumor-control/
I cant wait to save up for the WWSD2020
im interested in that retro stock for the BRN180, cant find it
And of course he said the name of the company that makes it so fast that I couldn't make it out. It's either B5, P5, or V5 but I can't be sure.
@@peteranderson037 i believe its B5, as they're a manufacturer that already produces stocks, grips etc. But theres nothing on their website, or on brownells about this thing soooo..
It looks like its part of that lower. The hinge is probably milled into the back of the receiver. Would be cool if it was attached with a pic rail like so many other companies have been using.
@@willswim4pie no its a picattinny attachment on the back of the lower. can take a look at the lower on brownells site, not to mention he specifically states it at 1:24
Way cool!! Is there a link to buy that ultralight polymer lower rifle
Not online yet in Europe, no link for me to the WWSD2020 to see and I got an unfilled one on my permit open for it with a 2-round mag :D
Regarding the takedown pins: Please consider adding holes into the stock to store the pins in, like HK does!
The holes are already in the lower receiver, no need for extra holes.
I can’t wait to buy the WWSD rifle
Awesome
really cool to see the cav arms lower getting an update. I cant wait to pick one up, I always regretted selling the one I had gotten from Sean.
Will you make a lead-lined/filled version for the people who want to feel the weight? Just like an airsoft gun or Chinese watch with lead weights in it to make it feel expensive for the postmodernists from Ukraine?
im very pleased for you all. good hard work, hope it pays off. im sure it will.
Are the mag wells going to be sized to fit larger magazines I.E. the magpul 6.8 spc or dedicated. 458 bushmaster mags?
InRangeTV: that's not a gun. This... is a gun.
Just got 2nd e mail stating it has shipped 3 to 5 day shipping. I ordered 12/2 and it shipped 12/3.
Is there any concern about the nylon heating up and distorting after a few mag dumps?
The lower never really comes into contact with any heat.
Ordered my black lower today. They are in stock. I ll post back when it is in hand to share delivery times. The updated photos look good. Don't forget Steyr and Glock paved the way for non metal firearms.
Just got shipping invoice . It is in transit soon. I ll post when my FFL receives. I am in Aurora Colorado btw
Availability is another benefit to this lol
I read they take 65 seconds to make 1 plus deburring ops. When these take off it will rock the gun world. Hope I can get no 2 next week
Couldn't they do a version of the lower that accepts the magpul length of pull adaptor plates? (Or something like it)
MrNpc81 it would require completely different mold inserts and welder inserts. So no not really without investing another $150k+
@@SinistralRifleman the polymer really is a whole new thing isnt it. Well anyway I wish you guys the best for the project - I intend to get a lower!
Would be cool to see a close up of the rifle and all the parts.
1:57 WWSD2020, before that they go about other brownells product
Are they going to make a traditional AR-180 meaning stock and hand guard
Would a WWSD AR pistol be a possibility in the future?
are there any longevity issues with pencil barrels? im quite new to firearms, so i have no idea what kind of wear and tear happens in the action or through the barrel over time.
its just a thinner lighter barrel. not something you want to do full auto out of but for regular shooting a pencil is fine.
Oh nice! Shot show always has some neat stuff