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WWSD: Rethinking the AR15 - CONCLUSION
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2018
- There will inevitably be some video updates regarding subcomponents or new ideas in the future, but this is officially our final video in the WWSD series.
You can find all of the components we standardized on for our "official" WWSD build here:
www.inrange.tv/wwsd
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"Force multiplying garbage" is one of the best phrases I've heard in a while.
You know, I reckon the arctic guys will appreciate that heat neutrality of the polymer and carbon fiber just as much as desert guys. Aluminum’s problem isn’t that it gets hot per se, it’s that it has a really low heat capacity and high thermal conductivity. So not only can it get literally blisteringly hot, it can get shockingly cold, too. I imagine having your face thermally bonded to the gun doesn’t help with concentration.
MegaAlpakka Painted aluminum still gets cold, friend
@MegaAlpakka Steel Toes in boots aren't even directly exposed to the air, and have a covering on both sides. They still get so painfully cold working outside that I pay 3x the money to get the carbon fiber toes and not deal with that.
Trust me, the Arctic guys will like that handguard just as much.
@MegaAlpakka theyre usually annodized not painted
dA pAInt mAkeS iT a nON isSuE... Derp. Have you ever even been outside? Lol.
contact frostbite or rather, making the blammer operational with gloves on continues to be a major design criteria for many, many countries near or in or that share wintery winds with the arctic circle & surrounding areas.
Now they should do a "what would Kalashnikov do" rifle
Some of that will be addressed this year.
N Y E T, R I F L E I S F I N E
- Mikhail Kalashnikov, 2018
Didn't Kalashnikov even oppose the switch from 7.62 to 5.45? So "Nyet, rifle is fine" may have actually been his opinion on the issue lol
I'm thinking what ian and karl would say is that the question will be up to the manufacturers and engineers based on what would be the most cost effective and simplest rifle to manufacture on a massive scale.
I'll make the argument that kalashnikov would go with polymer and stampings.
That would just be a plain AKM
5lbs, 2.9oz
Nutnfancy: **heavy breathing**
This feels like watching the series finale of a beloved TV show.
Karl: The safety's not broken I just have a screw loose.
Everyone else: We already knew that, Karl. We've seen your Varestuleka videos.
I think an important point to take from this I feel like might have been missed is waste. In today's AR Lego creations and cool guy gear, we've lost the idea of only what what we need and no waste. Don't waste your total available weight. Dont waste rail space. Don't waste length. Modern materials change the game for those restrictions. I think those "in charge" in DOD and LEO agencies need to take an advance approach and start extensively testing using similar methodologies you have used, but inserting their own "needs". Great job over all and very entertaining. As I've said before, there's a reason why you're channel gets my only monetary suppport.
I mean, you make a pretty good argument but I feel like it's kind of irrelevant at this point. If you've been following the more recent developments, it's pretty obvious that the next US service rifle is going to be a significant departure from the AR platform, and probably even from traditional small arms in general. The US DOD and UK MOD I'll probably just going to stick with a few rounds and upgrades to the current platform, just to keep it up to speed until the next generation rifle comes online. There really isn't any provision for them to go to a WWSD rifle (as it would effectively mean that have to buy entirely new guns).
Unfortunately, their 'needs' are often times exaggerated. They have high requirements and standards. Some might say impractical, but that's a different area entirely.
But the buffer assist was a mistake across the board.
Everyone is talking about what would Mikhail Kalashnikov do, but what I want to know is what would Dieudonné Saive do if he made the FAL today?
That would be intresting.
It would be the Scar 17.
Tiberius: The exact same thing, because the FAL is the perfect firearm.
Dean: The AR10, G3, M14, and FAL all far outclass the SCAR 17, especially in the cost category. ;)
Not tilting bolt and optics ready
CK's channel. I love my G3 and my AR10. But they don’t outclass a SCAR in anyway. Not in weight, not in reliability. AR10 comes close in accuracy but now they have the precision SCAR out so that’s a toss up. M14 is outperformed by anything else. FAL isn’t as reliable as the G3 or SCAR or AR as seen on inrange
My grandfather recently passed; when we were going through his rifles I checked out his scopes. They were mostly Leupolds so not junk, even they weren't absolutely top end.
Comparing those 1960s-1980s scopes to even lower end optics today was eye opening. We've come a long way
This was a great series. Well thought out and nicely analytical. Less balls and more brains. Refreshing in the gun world and very informative. Keep on going!
Which is exactly why I love these guys. They're pretty much just informational, with no american nationalism and "yee-haw"-behavior.
Cohac yes they neither try to shame nor try to be tacticool. They are being scientists about the topics imo. Start with a hypothesis and test it with data. Fantastic.
@@Cohac 😂😂😂😂 NOW THAT'S FUNNY.
I have really enjoyed these videos... I'm bummed that this is the last one.
Oh yeah, have y'all noticed that the components chosen are all out of stock :)
I loved this series. It's what got me into InRange in the first place - a buddy of mine showed me the first WWSD video and I was hooked. Sad to see it go but there really is only so much they can talk about with these guns.
And yeah - I find it quite compelling how hard it is to find these parts. Perhaps Ian and Karl will've Started Something here. I'm already seeing 'Ultralight' manufacturer rifles on the market, Faxon just released what amounts to an in-house WWSD carbine they pushed hard to get (just) under five pounds unloaded/no optic. InRange may not have *started* that trend but I imagine they helped emphasize it.
Have you missed that they said they will try to do follow up videos and putting guys with experience behind the gun ? Also I doubt that this is the last we have seen of these guns. Certainly many more event videos will feature them.
I feel that. I’ve got a completed AR, aside from the barrel. I’ve been waiting over a month for the 16” 5.56 gunner barrels to get back in stock, and I guarantee it’s because of this series that they’re in such high demand
Firstly OpticsPlanet! OpticsPlanet! OpticsPlanet! and use IRTV5 for 5% off I bought almost everything from them. Ill break down everything below
Aero Precision Upper without forward assist - Wing Tactical
Geissele Super Charging Handle - OP
Faxon Barrel Perm Flash Hider, 14.5″ PENCIL, 5.56 NATO - OP
MWI Low Profile Gas .625 block - OP
MidLength Gas Tube - OP
Faxon 13″ Carbon Fiber Handguards - M-LOK - OP
Bolt Carrier Group - OP
Holosun H503C Circle Dot RDS - OP
GWACS Polymer Lower - KE Arms (only black :( )
KE Arms SLT1 - KE Arms
KE Arms Safety - KE Arms
JP Silent Capture Spring - OP
Norgon Ambi Mag Release - Wing Tactical
PDQ Lever - Teal Blue
all other accessories (sling, sling loop, inforce WMLX, M-LOK pic rails, at Optics planet.
I will amend this by stating some of the items at optics planet may not be in stock, but they allow you to purchase them which for me is preferable to faxon or aero's websites which have a notify me button. for example I got a notification that aero had the upper back but when I checked the site (4 hours after email recieved) it was out of stock.
Watch Ian hit himself in the face with his rifle at 27:05. Played it nice and cool...
The slight smirk after says " Play it cool Ian, no one will notice"
Luckily it was a lightweight WWSD build, anything else would have chipped a tooth
hahaha
AND the 80% polymer lower. Leftists are trying VERY HARD to take this option away.
@Fawthur Must have intended to respond to another comment -- not sure why I put that here. I was in fact disappointed to find that the unique lower they used doesn't seem to be available out there anywhere...
4:00 looks like a still shot from a new Tarantino buddy Western.
These cinematic black bars are getting so thick that I feel like I should be watching this at an independent movie theater.
I'm assuming your next series is going to be called "What would Fellini do?"
I'm a pretty heavily built guy. I've used a number of weapons - ammo capacity is king, and the lighter and better balanced a weapon the more pointable it is, the easier it is to hold on target for a long period. Also if you're going for a 5.56 at 13lbs you have to ask if you're better off with a heavier cartridge. Really fascinating series.
I wish Magpul would get on the polymer lower idea.
Matt That is a polymer lower I would actually trust.
I would imagine it to be something like an MOE AK triangle stock molded into a K grip and then the lower. It would have metal reinforcement where it matters. It would have more features than the GWACS. It would be more expensive. But it would be nice and worth it.
If they went with a triangle stock, I don’t see why it would be heavier; or the weight savings would be rolled into more metal reinforcement.
Magpul is never going to make serialized firearms unless they have a dramatic change in business model.
SinistralRifleman Perhaps they could do what they did with the ACR, and design and develop the rifle, and then license it to an established firearms manufacturer for production (and hopefully they would pick someone far more competent than Remington or Bushmaster).
Also, if they make a number of significant improvements that I think are necessary, it's probably not an issue if it weighs a _little_ bit more (you could still easily get a sub 6-pound rifle). This GWACS lower is a solid proof of concept, but it's severely lacking in a number of aspects
Canadian Army is still using a combined massive frag vest/plate carrier. It is bulky and restrictive, and I would be tempted to argue that the collapsible stock on our C7/C8 is ESSENTIAL with the armour, and sometimes added on that is heavy winter jackets and things such as that.
My civilian guns, I don't care. If I wear armour, it's a plate carrier. I don't care if I can collapse my stock then.
Also: Metal rails in the arctic are bad juju. The less temperature transfer in something I have to carry, the happier I am.
You can wear gloves that are totally suitable for -40 with windchill, if you don't carry a gun, and have them all of a sudden be woefully inadequate with the gun. I hate hate hate hate carrying metal bullshit in that weather.
Agreed, at 5'6" shooting an M16A4 with an IOTV on with plates in it is ridiculously difficult. Even an M4 with the stock only a couple clicks out is annoying.
Good point. Thank you for serving.
I imagine these points also hold true in many other countries north of the 49th parallel. To any non-Canadians: even relatively southern Canadian cities can get ridiculously cold and regularly get 2 feet or more of snow; for example, one day not too long ago, Calgary (not far from the US border) tied with the South Pole for the coldest place on Earth (around -55° C).
Understandably, I don't think Karl and Ian get much chance to shoot in those conditions in Arizona. I hope they eventually take a trip and try out inclement shooting conditions up north somewhere during the winter (even though the weather is what many of us here take trips to get away from).
When you say you don't like metal rails, what exactly are you suggesting as the alternative?
The Canadian method of staying with the traditional plastic handguard but using that small little 3-way mounting block on the gas block? That's severely limits the number and type of additional items you can mount on your rifle. For some units/militaries that's a complete no-go?.
Using one optic (which is, until recently, a remarkable luxury! Cue kids these days comment) and no flashlights/fancy foregrip in conventional warfare scenario is a tiny price to pay, for not having your skin freeze to metal and rip off/muscle shake violently or seize from great cold. I like my skin and motor coordination more than my flashlight/tactical laser/foregrip/MILSTD1913backscratcher tyvm.
Einsatzgruppen Commander I totally agree on our current system. It's woefully outdated.
I imagine a metal handguard with a coating to prevent heat transfer, or a carbon fiber as shown, or really anything that provides SOME help against cold would be acceptable. I don't much care the attachment system, obviously M-lok would be ideal but even a cheese grater could be fine too. As Aaron Quak said, skin is more important than ergonomically perfect mounting points.
Thanks for narrowing down the plethora of ar add on and aftermarket parts for a lightweight build. Your in-depth discussion of why you picked each part was informative. Also helping me come up with the right questions I should be asking myself before I commit to a purchase.
Magpul should make a polymer lower like that. With that name and quality they would sell so many. Might even change people's thoughts on polymer lowers.
Magpul has some of the best polymer in the industry and they could do modifications like removable pistol grips and adjustments for LOP among other things.
I don't know how ke would feel about joining Magpul for support during the lawsuit
This is really the ultimate civilian rifle, if I had to choose one gun to have it would be a WWSD AR15
Ehhh. I would go with the longer barrel.
@@operator8014 Then you can
@@weasle2904 That's true.
@@operator8014 16" is the way to go.
@@gnrfan713 Here I am with my 10 pound AR with a 20" barrel...
Not gonna lie you guys make a really solid point about modern red dots being pretty damn durable. I run a Romeo 5 because it’s what I could afford and my gun came with some cheap non Magpul poly sights which came loose and then promptly broke when I attempted to tighten them so they wouldn’t wobble. I’ve seen videos of a Romeo 5 surviving some pretty harsh treatment. I think I kinda agree. If you have an Aimpoint or an EOTech it’s that much better. If I do get some MBUS then I likely won’t be able to mount a magnifier without removing it.
As for the carbon fibre handguard, it's not that the carbon fibre doesn't absorb heat, it's that it doesn't conduct heat. As for that not being important in cold weather, that is actually a very important aspect in cold weather. Steel for instance, will conduct heat away from your body, 9300 times faster than air of the same temperature. At say -40C/F, touching steel will instantly hurt, the same way touching a scorching hot frying ban will and even a short exposure, can kill the tissue, that comes into contact with the metal. For me as a competition shooter, at competitions that are below the freezing point, keeping my hands warm, is my number one priority. That entails stuff, like keeping my handgun under my clothes, as close to the body as possible between stations (others use insulated bags with hand-warmers next to the guns grip), and having enough magazines pre-filled to run a complete competition, without having to fill up any mags.
With respect, I personally have had to deploy my BUIS during qualification on the range prior to deploying. I really hear what you're saying about modern optics, BUT when/if your red dot M68 CCO fails for whatever reason- mine was for batteries- you REALLY do not want to be potentially on a two-way rifle range with a blind rifle. For your purposes- YES I agree- Holosun is a fantastic red dot, but for me personally, I will have some for of BUIS.
Did you just literally never change the batteries on that thing? They have a battery life of years. If you don't put at least new batteries in your rifle at the beginning of your deployment then that's on you.
This was a fascinating video series. Turned me on to the GWACS lower, which I now love. Really excited for the Lever Gun video series.
How did you get your hands on a GWACS lower? I cant find any fir sale at all
InRange, now in Panavision!
Adds a spaghetti western feel
Thank you guys for doing the research and testing to make this happen!
love the wide cinematic aspect ratio! I've been waiting for the final conclusion, have very much enjoyed the series and the thinking of the project. Looking forward to building my own, thank you for the in depth exploration.
I think you guys have nailed it - modern materials, light weight and keeping the spirit of the original AR-15 concept. So impressive, you have designed/assembled a gun that is probably the best AR ever! Well done!
I just revisited this video - wondering about military applications. So the polymer lower, maybe not robust enough for that usage...what about a carbon fibre equivalent?
I enjoyed this school of thought and have implemented multiple of the suggestions to my defensive tools as needed. Thank you for taking the time to make this series 👍😎
Great job. Very informative series.
Thank you for the excellent series. This type of content is why I subscribed to your channel on Patreon.
I also did my own custom AR build. Your build is slightly lighter than mine, but I can live with another 6 oz.
If I had used the polymer lower, 14" barrel, and carbon fiber forend it would almost match yours.
I used some different parts, but we both have created excellent "go to" weapons if a SHTF moment arrives.
Really enjoyed this series. Haven’t built a clone, but am incorporating many of the components into several rifles, including the first and only rifle caliber firearm my wife has ever enjoyed shooting. You guys are awesome.
This is my favorite channel on RUclips. I love the idea of going back to using the AR-15 like it originally was intended. I liked it so much I've taken the time and money to build my own WWSD rifle and I love it! It's now my go to rifle. Fantastic work guys.
You gentlemen did a brilliant job, and thank you for the list of components!
Okay it's been awhile since I've watched any westerns but the framing and aspect ratio makes me think Ian and Karl are about to go down swinging
This was a great series, please keep these project builds/vids going!!!
Can't even accurately convey how much I love this channel. Don't ever stop.
I have loved this series! Thank you for the information and experiences. Tax return might need to be turned into a WWSD rifle for myself.
Way, way late on this but I'm just now seeing this series and loved watching it. I like the sound of that JP buffer, and I've definitely crossed the BAD lever off the list.
I think it's hilarious that my bog standard budget PSA Freedom rifle with an M4 profile 16" barrel and forged lower with cheap red dot and BUIS weighs in at 5.5 lb. No gee whiz carbon fiber or ultra modern polymer lower here. Call it a "junk rifle" if you like, but it goes bang.
This was a great series, looking forward to the next one.
This was a most interesting project. Taking into account the historical and practical knowledge in the field have created a great reference to assemble a well rounded piece. Very interesting from manufacturing to practical handling and efficiency.
"Why has the AR become a 12 lb behemoth thing?" he asks. Because the tacticool guys need the extra weight to reduce recoil....
Excellent job
I have mine built with the KP-15 and its intense how light and handy it is.
I built mine about two months ago and the parts are back ordered on most websites. Great job to the inrange team.
Incredible, it's about as light as an M1 Carbine
Yeah. To put it in perspective, that AR15 weighs about the same as two 1 liter cartons of milk plus one glass of milk.
Well, it was originally supposed to replace the M1 carbine in Air Force service, while bringing a more effective cartridge into the mix. It may not be my favorite rifle design, but it certainly does what it was designed to do when configured properly.
Glad you mentioned the holosun in use with your nvg's. i have a pvs-14 on the way and had just ordered both the holosun reflex, and the same holosun red dot youre using and was a little worried about if id be able to mount my pvs on my rifle in exactly the situation you mentioned.
I loved this series. It was very interesting and i learned a lot from it. I love this channel and Forgotten Weapons. They are the best channels on RUclips in my opinion. Greetings from Ireland.
I really enjoyed watching this series. It really gives me something to think about for my next build.
I absolutely love this project. Kind of sad it is over, but now that it is could you make a playlist on youtube so all the videos are easily found.
A nice conclusion to a great project. I've learned many new things about firearms and ways of thinking that I really have to thank you.
In regards to opinions of other people, I would like to see Larry Vickers and Nutnfancy shoot the WWSD rifle.
Huh, I thought nutn died in a Cerakoting accident.
What a fun sounding project and cool outcome. I honestly don't know that much about guns, but I love your channel(s). As an Engineer I really appreciate your attention to detail and particularly experiment in this case. Well done.
Good work boys! I really enjoyed this series. Thank you
With red dots ( Aimpoint or EOTech variety). I run a fixed front. Try it out. It’s significantly faster for me. Also with a lot of reps and good consistent contact points it’s possible to be very accurate just using the front sight. Especially through the tube of a down/off optic.
I thought they would mention that. If you shoulder the gun, get your normal cheek weld, and put the target in the center of the red dot with it off, you can hit targets under 50 yards fairly easily. If you add a fixed front sight its even more accurate.
MX5autoxer
Yeah fixed front does a lot. Along with what you’ve said With lower 1/3 it’s affective as height over bore reference in close stuff. It’s a fixed reference for parallax when shooting in tough positions. It helps with speed because it’s fixed. Then it’s an obvious second sighting system. Underrated setup for sure.
How about an episode WWSD: suppression. That seems to be the next big thing for the M4...
Came back to watch again. Great series, good concept.
Great series, thoroughly enjoyed it!!
This project inspired me to do my first AR build with not necessarily all these parts but going for the specific lower and something light on the upper. I got a 1-6 and have been waiting on Gwacs for 2 weeks. They seem to be getting popular and have a hard time keeping up with demand.
Menelaos 1-6 what are you shooting pencil length bullets
I sent them an email, they're behind on buttplate production right now. It'll be closer to a month soon.
The CAV-15 Mold can run a part every 60 seconds.
GWACS was out of the machined aluminum butt plates they now use. They’ll be shipping again soon.
Hopefuly all this business will allow tthem to design a gen 2 version of their lower, QD points would make this thing golden.
"you can't Grok this" In 2020 i Grok it. and i'm probably the only person that got that reference.
No, no you weren't. LOL
Too bad Karl didn't also throw in "On the bounce" when discussing dynamic movement.
No you weren’t.
Tremendous work gentlemen. Outstanding!
This project was fascinating. The design excerise, the historical thought, the defined goal, and the process were all very well presented, and I love the end result.
The extremely responsible & historically respectful, and culturally respectful (Aussie) attitude you present is also deeply appreciated.
Coming into this late, having recently found you. I'm Aussie, and have been interested but not in position to have a gun hobby. Even then, this was really great & I'd love to try one. Not likely to, but...
Having really enjoyed this build series, I have to admit that I hope we get to eventually see a "What Would Kalashnikov Do?" series for the AK platform.
Not change too much at all I imagine. Kalashnikov wasn't doing anything groundbreaking with the AK, he was just taking other good mechanical things and putting them together in a functional package before almost everyone else. The difference in design philosophy is massive.
Now, a "What Would Stoner Do" AK would be an interesting (and probably expensive and complex redesign) undertaking.
But it would look a lot like an AK.
I hope so, AK are sexy bitches.
I think the differences in design philosophy between Stoner and Kalashnikov make it so Stoner is a much more interesting figure to look into, but I do think it'd be cool if InRange atleast took a stab at a "WWKD" project and see how it goes.
With Kalashnikov, he was more about making a rifle that could put as much lead downrange as possible without fail and while also being a cheap/simple design to manufacture. He did design one of my favorite rifles of all time, so I have alot of respect for the man, but I doubt a "WWKD" project would result in any revolutionary ideas/perspectives, considering his entire emphasis was on mass-manufactured, rugged rifles and he didn't seem to place much thought into refinement, things like ergonomics, precision accuracy, low weight, etc seemed to not be a huge deal. I'm not sure how much of that was Kalashnikov just building the rifle the Soviets wanted, or how much of it was his own idea of what a rifle should be however, so maybe it would be worth taking a look.
Either way, regardless of my preconceived notions about it, I'd watch every damn video of the series!
Skogi, I would also watch a "What would Stoner Do" AK series, but I have to wonder if there are any options for low weight parts like the GWACS lower or the Faxon pencil barrel on the market for the AK. It'd certainly be interesting seeing them try to apply Stoner's design principles to it, but I feel like the cost and availability of parts might not be there for it to be realistically possible.
Allow me to give a specific rebuttal: For line infantry I would argue that backup iron sights are essential. Reason: you can not go back to the armorer to get your optic fixed and you have no say in how long you are deployed.
I somewhat agree but at that point - just put them in a case and throw the case in your bag. I do absolutely see the argument for having them on your person but just like with the bipot for Karls and Ians application - being able to put it on n a moments notice is great but having it on the gun 24/7 is too much of a downside.
BIIGtony If the sights are going to be in your bag, why not just pack a spare optic with a QD mount?
BRWaldo97 I thought soldiers were in charge of buying their own optics? But yes, cost (especially with an Elcan or ACOG) can be a problem.
Soldiers rarely get a say in what weapon they get or what is on it.
I was the armorer for a company that deployed to Afghanistan in 2013. Far as the weapon itself, no changes. Things like firing pins, bolt carriers, etc, were not replaceable other than by me or trained weapons maintenance personnel.
For attachments like grips and optics, most of my company had invested in some kind of personal item. I had a Knights Armament foregrip on my M4. A few squads worth of people had various combinations of foregrips, slings, lights, and all manner of stuff on their rifles. I didn't mind so long as it fit on the racks since I would recognize certain combinations for certain people and wouldn't have to hunt around.
A few people did have a personal optic, in the event they were issued a rifle capable of accepting it and not given a corresponding optic to mount. I still issued optics to more than half of my company, mainly ACOGs and M68 CCOs. Our machine gunners had their own optic type that was issued, can't recall the nomenclature.
Great series guys, thanks!
Thank you for all the work you did ,the information gathered by you guys is very valuable
Okay, I realize someone else has probably said this: I understand Ian reasons on why the 14.5" "door-kicker" rifle but, I would figure that the add FPS would be welcomed. I have been slowly buying the parts needed for my own WWSD Rifle but I am glad I held off on the barrel. This actually makes me think about barrel length though, at the end of the day I will probably still go 18" barrel. Which the irony is that I live in a thick wooded area and you all live in open desert where I figured our barrel wants/needs would be just the opposite.
(BTW, having just turned 30 today, I figure its time I grew up and got rid of my AR-15 that weighs as much as a M60 lol!)
Get the 18 inch. The range and power is worth it
If you need back-up sights, the irons are so small and light you can carry them off the gun and install as needed.
If you zero them before your optic and witness mark them, you do not.
I'm really digging the extra wide aspect ration vid format...makes the content seem even more epic! :) Cheers!
Great series! I've enjoyed it a lot and I think that what you have done, both conceptually and practically, is outside the ordinary. Specialists in the industry and in the military should really look into that.
Would you have any interest in bringing back the longer barreled gun, or looking into a slightly heavier profile barrel in order to look into an automatic rifle concept similar to the M27? Something designed to be a base of fire for suppression using short bursts of fire but much more maneuverable than an M249?
I'd argue that, unless used as part of a proper MG team, a magazine-fed weapon is far superior to a belt-fed weapon, due to the tendency of a single man to become task-saturated.
I don't get it? No light weight bolt carrier group? Titanium adjustable gas block matched with a light weight buffer spring? Would you figure saving weight there makes the gun less reliable?
They used a captured buffer for reliability because of the pin possibly breaking and getting into the FCG, and the lighweight carrier just rubbed them the wrong way with all of the material that was being removed and would recommend a full auto capable carrier or semi one because of reliability.
Thank you for an outstanding set of videos.
I can vouch for the popularity of these builds - that pencil barrel was back ordered for several months. This project clicked for me from the beginning. I went with a different trigger, bcg, gas block & a few other items, but I think you guys found the best lower, barrel, handguard & optic for this build and I copied those. Mine ended up at 4.8 pounds and I love it! Thanks for the inspiration.
Will you do a mudtest with your WWSD Rifles?
It would most likely function just like the other AR they mud tested, and if they mud tested these beautiful rifles I'd have to look away.
I suspect they will do better than the standard AR they already tested
They sort of did, only thing that changed is there are even less egress points for dirt. Although I'm uncertain about the ambi bolt release
They are Ars mate, they've already mud tested Ars.. Mud testing another Ar will be no different than the other Ars they've tested.... It would be redundantly repetitive. =]
A lot of people are saying that this is unnecessary because they already tested a standard AR. However, you're significantly under estimating how different materials and tolerance stacking can significantly change reliability. Just the difference in how the fire control group or the buffer operates in a polymer lower when filled with debris might completely change the outcome (or not). Same thing with the magazine. I think it would be worth testing, though I can understand them being hesitant about wanting to mud up these pretty expensive rifles
"Some $450 beater rifle that you probably don't want anyway."
I don't think the cost of the WWSD is crazy, but this comment is, to me, perhaps ignoring the current state of the market. Brownells has had Aero Precision complete rifles with mid length gas systems for ~$550-$600 pretty regularly. You don't have to buy a DD or BCM to get what is a pretty nice rifle. Now it won't be as light as this, but it also won't be as expensive (and I totally get you have to add in the optic and other component costs).
Is the cost worth the weight reduction? It may well be. My point is merely the market is very competitive currently. I think a lot of these weight saving elements could be applied individually and still yield some results to go with the philosophy of weight savings.
This lower plus any 200 complete upper makes a light Sub 450$ gun.
Some of the best direction I have gotten for building my ar. Good job
I have just become a patreon supporter at the 10 dollar level. I love what you guys do and I really want to support you.
Try a glass optic in a wet and misty environment and you might change your mind about irons. After all, the front sight can be folded down out of the way and the rear carried in your bag like any other small bit of gear. It isn't just a matter of electronics being more subject to fail in a humid environment, but the glass itself will constantly be fogged, beaded with moisture even when the electronics continue to work. I don't disagree at all with your trust in new electronics, but as backups go, irons are inexpensive, weatherproof and small enough not to be a carry concern.
I live in Virginia, we have a lot of 90% humidity 90° days. Even during extended range sessions the only scope I've had fog up on me is a Tasco 4x my grandfather bought in the 80's (granted that's out of a sample of three scopes in total). Besides, if that's a concern just get an open reflex sight like the EOtech or the Holosun 510. That way the optics would only fog if they're cold
I've got a lot of hours with a steyr aug glass sight as issued standard (old school fixed scope) never had it fog up ever. I guess it could happen but I've never seen it.
They shouldn't fog if they're sealed correctly. (Hint, your car *isn't* sealed correctly)
Any good optic won't fog, i've never once heard of an ACOG or similer cost optic have issues like this.
This is why good optics are sealed and filled with nitrogen.
I wasn't referring to an internal leak and subsequent fogging, but rather to wet glass itself. I spent most of my life in coastal Alaska and trust me, when hunting there you will either have BUIS or wish you did.
If the enemy has NVGs, they'll be able to see the light emitted by your NVGs if they are mounted to the rifle and left on.
Mate, if they have NVG's and they can see the small amount of light emanating from the sight, then they can see you anyways. The point they were trying to make is that an IR laser literally is an arrow pointing directly at you that can be seen for miles around, as opposed to a small plume that you would only see if you were looking directly at the gun anyways.
Excellent video series, Thanks
like a watch, the rifle falls below the threshold of awareness. great series. thank you
Compare the AR to the KAC SR15 since it was Stoner next evolution of the AR platform
"What would Browning do" when?
What an amazing series! Sad that it's coming to an end! Let's see some WWSD reaction vids!
I think with the world of fun accessories out there, people forget sometimes that a rifle can at times be what it isn't. In the sense that there's just something very nice about a very simple and minimal rifle.
What is the reasoning behind the aspect ratio?
I'm genuinely curious btw.
Focus on content instead of 5:53 ANTS ON GROUND
Ultrawide is great but you should upload it without black bars. Now i have black bars on the left/right/top/bottom in fulscreen on 21:9 monitor.
InRangeTV now we have to notice the specific way the wind shifts the brush at 18:13
InRangeTV Now I want to see those ants... GIVE US THE ANTS!
InRangeTV The wide angle was really pleasant. I noticed it right off the bat and thought you were going to make a joke about spaghetti westerns.
Had to re-watch the video you're selling them now in 2020
Me too man. I rewatched the whole series.
What I loved about this series was your willingness to learn from experience and change direction. You were not wedded to any component or idea other than the initial goal
I recently finished a build that I’m using as my main defensive rifle & it’s strikingly similar to what you guys have done. I have a poly CAV15 lower but ended up going with an Aero Precision M4E1 instead. Here’s the setup:
- Holosun 515C (what a great optic!)
- Streamlight Protac on a M-lok cantilever mount
- 2 point sling on qd mounts
- 16” stainless barrel w/mid gas system
- Magpul K2 pistol grip
- Geissele charging handle
- 13.5” M-lok free float rail (aluminum not carbon fiber)
- Hogue overmold stock (it doesn’t pull my tactical beard hairs)
Hate to see this series end, I really enjoyed taking the journey with you guys. Looking forward to what’s next.
I love this project, I plan on building one when I can get my hands on a gwacs.
Do you guys no if there is any brittleness issues with the plastic? I live in a much colder environment than the desert.
Now I'd like to see a new relevant project, What Would Stoner do if he lived in New York?
Nothing more to say I guess
Get the frick out there!
Ironic that the AR was developed by Armalite in Hollywood, California.
He would have stayed and fought to the bitter end. Don't flee, because if you do so the anti-gunners will follow you and enact the same restrictions in your new state (just look at Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, and Vermont as examples).
I think InRange is planning a series on “what to do if in a restricted state”. There are options like fixed-mag AR, featureless AR, Area SCR, lever gun, SKS.
thank's Ian & Karl.most professional.like it
Thanks for this incredible and detailed project. Even if I'm in a country where I can't aquire a rifle like this, because I love the history & development of weapons, and this look forward to what this plataform can be in our day and age is trully enjoyable. I look forward to the next project! (Even if it is not on youtube)
Shame I cant do this over here in the UK :'(
On that note however we can get 22rim fire semi autos, so maybe I could get an MnP 15-22 and do this, or is it not compatible?
RockHumper haha, yeah rather sadly I don't see us getting any more freedom in anything (not just firearms) anytime soon, someone has been sent to jail for making a joke in a video that someone deemed offensive, an elderly man was arrested after killing a man in self defense who'd broken into his home. They're also talking about banning 50bmg (for literally no reason), and banning online knife sales, oh yeah, and airgun licencing. Yeah, no freedom coming our way anytime soon I don't think.
Same here. How tough is legally moving to the US, again?
Pcm979 if I were living in different circumstances I'd move to the us or some European country so I could follow a hobby without having to bend over to the government, however the farm ain't gonna look after itself.
Saiv a loif, bin dat noif.
Sorry couldn't resist.
I'm very interested in seeing a "What Would Cooper Do?" series centered on the Scout Rifle. Especially in response to the legions of people screeching about bolt guns not being obsolete. I kinda just imagine a modern Scout Rifle would be some kind of AR10 with a 16 inch barrel or something like that.
This has been a well thought out, detailed, & informative series. I hope to build one of my own, as soon as I can locate a GWACS lower. Everyone is sold out.
Bravo, great series. I want more!
If only gwacs still made stuff
KE arms is just starting up new manufacturing of a gwacs style lower. They are supposed to start shipping first quarter of 2020.
Can’t we look at the SR-15 as exactly what stoner would do?
Sure, but he died in 1997 so there has still been over 20 years of additional new development since then.
Loved these videos, its going to be a bummer to see them go. I know you said you wanted to get them in the hands of some people to try and I hope we will get some videos out of those. Also, would love if you guys where able to do some videos with other RUclipsrs. Keep up the good work.
Thaank you good sirs for your unbiased, well educated opinions. Great info!