WWSD - GWACS Armory Sucks
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What do you do in corporate America when you're a total failure and can't succeed even when opportunity is handed to you free of charge?
You sue.
That's the GWACS way, apparently, and in this video we discuss the history of the WWSD project, why it has seen significant delays and the legal issues being brought against it by a company of incompetent grifters.
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KE Arms will have a statement in the forthcoming days
I will be making my declaration to the court as part of our motion for summary judgment along with all of its evidentiary documents public. This includes all relevant contracts and NDAs.
Best of luck Phagan
Hope this gets settled quick!
The A1 length of pull being proprietary is one HELL of a strategy.
I mean, it's called the A1 length of pull. Not the CAV-15 length of pull...
I guess it would fall under "Bold move Cotton, let's see how it works out"
It was a stupid strategy. You can’t claim ownership of someone else’s intellectual property. If anything, the A1 LOP intellectual property belongs to Eugene Stoner, Armalite, and Colt. Even they don’t own it anymore because the AR15/M16 family of weapons became public domain long ago. Their entire argument fell apart. The lawsuit was a desperate attempt to make some money for doing absolutely nothing.
I don’t know how you can own a measurement.
@@con6lex tbf, we live in world were I or a company could own your DNA, and could sue you for trying toy use yourself commercially.
"just because youre right doesnt mean youre going to have justice in this system. justice is not what the legal system does; it does legal stuff" the truth is often painful. thanks Karl, good luck
Gonna remember this line forever! Truer words were never spoken.
It seems that as a result of the investor's statements in his deposition, you could sue him for legal expenses incurred defending against this frivolous lawsuit, as well as for financial damage to the project and all those involved.
Its US, he would need to sleep on money to do that...
@@bBlaF In France, this is called the condemnation to costs (condamnation aux dépens), it'is not systematic, it is the court that decides. And it can be really really expensive.
@@paranoiia8 Not necessarily with the initial copyright claims this suit is going to be in Federal Court where you can ask for Rule 11 sanctions for frivolous claims and lawsuits brought for improper motives which this certainly seems to be. Heck the copyright act includes a fee shifting provision at the discretion of the presiding judge, though I am not sure if the last is available if the copyright claims are dropped.
The English rule where the loser pays for the legal costs of the prevailing party can also be a little overrated as you still have to fund the lawsuit yourself and hope you get some money back at the end of the case.
I was thinking the same thing their frivolous lawsuit hampered the marketing of the project imagine how much better the WWSD would have sold if it had received more attention in the mainstream market
This times a few million aught to do it.
At least you guys never took a preorder on a product that you were unsure would ever be a reality.
Nope, never did.
@@InrangeTv I can respect that.
Did someone do that?
@@dragon3allzdeep325 HMG gun works with the repro stg 44s
@@dragon3allzdeep325 There was also at least two purported manufacturers of Bren 10's that took down payments and the more recent Sol Invictus AA-12 debacle.
Reeks of greed on the part of the GWACS group attempting to extract more wealth from a product they failed to exploit themselves, like the groups that acquired & ran companies like Remington & Colt into the ground for their & their investors’ benefit.
Probably bought up by an investor, maybe in the hope to actually make more lowers, saw that the mold was really shot, or at least in need of a major refurb and then wanted to cut his losses with a frivolous lawsuit and out of court settlement.
That's capitalism for ya. If it's more profitable TO THE INVESTORS to run a company into the ground, waste labor and tooling, harm customers and workers, you're SUPPOSED to do that.
Did you watch to the end? This isn't about greed. Its about gun control on the part of the investor.
@@vigunfighter he’s only a single member of the group, plus Karl stated it’s a *possible* motive for this.
reeks more of an antigunner with an agenda and people without 2 pennies to rub together getting a paycheck
No patent, all prior art, but GWACS still can drain KD Arms' coffers due to a ridiculously expensive court system. Many such cases.
The only net sum gain will be for the lawyer's.
Like SLAPP suits but with companies.
You don't need to win you just need more money, the system is broken.
The thing I can't get my head around is how a defunct company can sue anybody. Is this a particularity of US law?
Or is it GWACS creditors bringing the suit?
Because for a long time companies like KE Arms are the exception, companies that actually invest in a project, take risks, and reap rewards and losses accordingly. Corporate America is, for the most part, a gang of rent seeking grifters that use the courts and lobbysts to siphon off the last penny out of society in general and individual consumers in particular. Certain epithets come to mind but I will leave them unexpressed, they are easy to guess.
Eat the rich
@@beansofproduction No, they taste horrible.
Yeah, I remember the detailed videos done by IR & SR in the design and manufacturing of the KP15 lower. Incredibly complicated to get something like that “right” in function and able to be repeatedly manufactured.
@@scipio10000 hunger is the best sauce
@@george5156 sorry there is no sauce thay will make me eat turds. What you need to do with the rich is of a different nature, and to be clear I refer to their power to rule the lives of others.
It may well be that this "GWACS Armory" has not much to do with the firm you worked with. If they really went defunkt, all their assets were sold, including the name and all the intellectual assets. There are ghouls who by stuff like that for pennies om the dollar, just for a chance at something like that.
Honestly that makes a whole lot of sense. A shell company owned by a predatory group of investors looking to make a buck.
Damn, I didn't know that existed. That's a smart scam. Contact info for these corporations is public, so lots of these types start emailing you when they detect it's been deactivated. They probably send an email with a deal to pursue a lawsuit with the help of the owner. They'd have to do a ton of research on GWACS to know they could sue Brownells for this. The owner probably helped out.
I think you're right. The angel investor probably has a majority stake now in whatever shell corporation owns the assets, and probably has controlling interest. So yeah, as others have speculated, the legal fees are probably still charged to the corporation and he isn't personally liable for any losses from the lawsuit.
Absolutely everything can be legally protected. And should be done. It doesn't require much of a change to claim that product as yours. You should have done so..In the very start. Too many sharks out to get you. Sucks...
That honestly makes too much sense for me to be comfortable with
Description is brutally on point
Godspeed to you and everyone else behind WWSD
I was really starting to wonder why I wasn’t hearing much about Kp15s or the WWSD project. Sad to hear there’s people in the industry causing trouble for people who helped them and people who were on the same team. It is odd that they’d continue pursuing the lawsuit with their current investor. Thank you for the update
People in many industries don’t see each other as “on the same team”. Even Karl acknowledges this to an extent when he describes the concerns he had with getting all the vendors to work together in the first place.
It's not odd at all. the current investor is against civilian owership of ARs and sees this as a way to virtue signal and help keep ARs off the market.
@@vigunfighter I just feel it's odd gwacs would be partnered up with an antigunnner but I guess whatever it takes to get that money
To me it seems that GWACS we never about anything else than "whatever it takes to get that money". I'd hesitate to even call them a part of the industry. They just bought some molds as an investment.
@@MarvinCZ Yeah the thing they are named after is all they cared about.
The moment he said “Reed Oppenheimer” I knew what was up. He’s been involved in thinly veiled social engineering forever. At first glance, his causes all sound charitable and flowery. But even a cursory look shows they think peasants should never be allowed to be self sufficient and Certainly not armed. They need to be ruled, after all. They just shouldn’t know about it.
This would be the most ridiculously Anti-Gun strategy. Stopping AR manufacturing one plastic lower at a time. That Guy's not Anti-Gun, he certainly says he is, and supplies money to Schumer (who's not a true believer in anything himself), but I think he doesn't care one way ore the other. He wants just to scam some money out of KE Arms. The worst thing about those type of people is that they don't have any values except their own financial gain.
Strap-on spelled backwards is no-parts
Such wisdom.
oh
LOL
Refreshing :D
Blessed are we to have such a poet and scholar in our midst
Damn Karl, I'm sorry this is/was happening. What a giant pain in the ass, unfortunately this is the most American thing ever. Nothing to do with the fact it includes anything to do with firearms, but the fact that as soon as the little guy starts to make a profit off something the big guy overlooked the deep pockets let hell rain down. Also including the fact that the deep pockets keep people from innovating, we all know this is happening daily in all sorts of avenues of business, ones that would probably have advanced us past a lot of the issues we're currently fighting about.
I'm not an AR guy, but I've loved this series from the beginning, just seemed like a cool different take on home builds. With all the hold ups in the long term series I half wondered if something like this happened.
Keep up the fight Karl.
Did you watch to the end? The investor is anti AR and against civilian ownership of military style rifles. He also said he had no interest in making them. This is about gun control. not profit.
@@vigunfighter I don't think we ought to take the investor on his word. GWACS seemed happy enough to "work out a deal" before they actually sued.
This just smells like extortion.
The investor is probably working for one of those globalist organizations that’s anti freedom.
@@airminer I'm with you. All the anti-AR rhetoric in response to questions about his involvement in the product reeks of him trying to dress up his grifting as something "moral" now that he's being called out on it.
Not gona lie, the "drama" behind some of these businesses is absolutely absurd. Almost kinda reminds me of how lithium based batteries were developed. Super long story short, Sony wanted lighter batteries but no battery manufacturer wanted to make them cuz it could compete with the old style of batteries. So Sony said screw it and built their own battery factory so they could get the parts they wanted. If existing firms aren't willing to meet market demand, that just leaves open market sectors for exploitation.
It's hillarious how much stuff Sony does, much of which has no relation each other.
My old man used to work for a company that was involved R&D for lithium batteries in industrial usage, but their CEO was much interested in another project that was a personal mission of his, so all the funding went that way, that project ultimately bankrupted them.
@@nonyabisness6306 sometimes in order for something to get done you have to do it yourself. Sony is a tech company and they dabble in literally everything technology
Predatory litigation by wealthy grifters, seems to be going around right now. I really enjoy the project, hope you guys come out on top.
Slapp suit? I don’t know all your details in this case, but you could arguably pursue a countersuit if your counsel feels they did know better but pursued the suit using the court as a cudgel. All ya gotta do is show material harm (lost sales, un-actualized sales may count) and a few emails from their counsel saying this isn’t viable (discovery bait) . I totally get if you/the others don’t want to get tied further in lawsuits, but if nothing else I hope gwacs gets what they deserve- absolutely nothing.
They’re not trying to muzzle Karl or Fagan. They just want all their money.
@@windowdoog is it Karl or Carl?
@@george5156 Karl.
Not all states have anti slap laws
If you sue to regain monetary losses will the settlement, if won, ever be paid? I know having a new mold cut and the tech package to produce the product is expensive. Could you realize a profit if you started from scratch with a design all your own?
Thanks a lot for letting us know and speaking out about this issue with GWACS. I believe that it's really important to have a set of certain values like honesty and respect. It seems like more and more companies don't follow such values anymore and that's why I really want to show you my support in this way. I already bought and WWSD rifle and will consider supporting you financially in the future. Please never give up these values and rest assured that you have people standing behind you. People who you can reach out to if you really need in case this or any other legal issue should worsen in the future.
This is why we don't see the exponential advancement in technology we should be seeing. They bury the ideas and people who think them in litigation before they even get going. Greed sucks.
this doesn't seem to be greed, it seems to be shady investor helicopter money into a political purpose against the people
What makes you think that firearms technology should be advancing exponentially? Very few technologies have ever advanced exponentially for any length of time. Semiconductor technology is the canonical exceptional example, and even it has been running up against the physical limits on Moore’s Law for more than a decade now, so exponential advance in semiconductors is a thing of the past. In a mature technology like firearms, relatively small, incremental advances are really about the most that you can rationally expect.
@@markhamstra1083 well you've said it all
@@markhamstra1083 people turn to easy answers, e.g. grand conspiracies, when it's the easier answer.
@@markhamstra1083 technology doesnt advance with age, it does with resource investment, Paulie Walnuts is correct
Gotta love how GWACS thanked Inrange for helping them ship all the stock on their store online but stated they wouldn't be doing more. Then of course once they see it wasnt a flash in the pan and they see KE arms and Karl saying okay we'll make our own and improve it if you're not gonna make more. Suddenly fuck Inrange and all those that helped put us on the map.
I saw the title and went "oh no, they're suing for invented IP rights"....
I really enjoy videos like this, because if nothing else, morbid curiosity fuels a desire to know the back door dealings of various people. I am constantly amazed at the depths that some people will go to tear down others, with GWACS being a prime example of that phenomena.
Long live KE Arms, and long live the KP-15
Sounds exactly like when rights to the Santa Cruz Operation were acquired, including the rights to some versions of Xenix and Unix, and tried to collect royalties from Linux users since Linux was inspired by Unix. A lot of court cases. appeals, and legal fees later it was determined that Novell, a company SCO once had a partnership with and acquired rights from when that partnership broke off, was still the owner of the underlying rights involved and had no interest in pursuing claims against Linux users.
There is an underlying, fundamental dishonesty in firearms operations as a whole. Historically, and through today. For every good actor out there there are plenty of bad ones that say all the good things, but never deliver or just outright cheat and steal. People involved in firearms typically have a defiant personality which allows them to suspend disbelief and doubt, especially when spoken to in the same language. Same with other devout believers--tell them what they want to hear and you can't keep the money away. Sometimes failure to deliever or outright fraud is just being over ones head and not knowing it. However, when others also suspend their belief in proper business practices you just end up in an echo chamber with little to show for it.
This isn't limited to firearm industry but more or less all industries have large amounts of bs grifters doing this kind of patent trolling
@@marcogenovesi8570 The masters being Amazon. Patent and poison cash injection specialists, par excellence.
I have watched you for a long time now. From the start I feel you were a good honest man, with good intentions. All these years later those feelings have not changed. Hope this bs ends soon. Best of luck.
I’ve watched this video once already. I just had to view it again thanks to “Runkle of the Bailey”, a Canadian law channel. They just eviscerated a gag order motion by GWACS in the case against KE Arms. One thing the lawyer brought up was not only did GWACS attempt to gag InRange, but they essentially compelled the judge to watch Karl’s video which did an effective job of adding another nail into the coffin of this specious lawsuit.
Since the request for the gag order stated the number of views this video had, I felt it only appropriate that I watch it one more time to add to the view count.
same, Bud
This reminds me of Men at Work getting sued over putting the Kookaburra melody in Down Under by a company that acquired the rights to Kookaburra *years* after Down Under was released
I've always liked you and your personality, but the fact that you made a shady legal team rage quit is amazing! I'm so sorry you had to go through this nonsense sir, but I am grateful that they had to be on the other end of your extensive historical firearms knowledge. I'm with Shakespeare on the lawyers question.
It would be funny to see those up tight $ loving lawyers think they had something put together then meet Karl the Uber gun nut inform them how all their special thingies are forgotten antiques! History! “No that’s from 1870 !!” Let’s make the stock grind coffee!!
Thank you for addressing this. I happen to come across the court filing during a google search fest when I was just trying to read up on development and what happened to GWACS. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I’m not well versed in legal speak so I didn’t have to time or energy to translate it into regular speak. You laid it out in a way that was easy to understand, so thank you for that. I hope you, KE Arms and Brownells prevail and get GWACS and this Oppenheimer guy to back off and go back to the hole that they crawled out of to file this frivolous crap. Good luck and hopefully it’ll be over soon.
GWACS does truly suck! Why is GWACS trying to sue people over a weapons design that went into public domain long ago?
Hey Carl how dare you go into a deposition armed with intelligence and facts, that is not the way the game is played. You should have been scared by their tactics. You provoked them into beating a hasty retreat. I love it.
I recently purchased my complete rifle from Brownell‘s this summer. I just completed putting it through sight in at the range this weekend. This makes me really proud that I was able to support the right people and businesses that are trying to make this the product it deserves to be. The rifle is amazing, and I look forward to being able to support you more in the future!
Thank you karl for speaking out and keeping us abreast , this goes to show that just because a company may manufacture firearms does not mean that either them or there investors have the consumers in mind and that we need to be more aware of the goings ons in these companies not only for ourselves but for our rights and our futures
The mere suggestion that gun control advocates could interfere with the production of firearms by acquiring intellectual property and then suing companies with similar property in order to limit or halt production is truly chilling.
they won't be allowed. the unions tried to buy into industries they represented in the 70s when they were scrambling for cash infusions and all got shut out because you can't let that happen. this is just corporate america greed and patent trolling
Generally they can't. There's protections that essentially say you can only defend those rights if you're actually servicing the market.
They didn't even acquire the IP - because there was no IP. It was 100% prior art. They acquired tooling.
It's also not the simplest explanation. This is obviously just about rent-seeking (aka greed).
@@fronthole_guacamole Exactly.
I was excited by your ideas when the first video hit web. I tried to purchase a GWACS receiver for a couple of years without success (and I'm glad I failed). I ended up purchasing two of the KE lowers, one of which I built into a lightweight rifle for my daughter, the other of which remains mine. Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. I think I just made up that little rhyme, but if someone came up with it before me, please don't sue me! Anyway, great explanation and I'm really sorry that all involved had to go through this nonsense and attempted legal extortion.
Just came over from Runkle Of The Bailey, congrats on having the judge view your video.
Have motions to dismiss for failure to state a case not been heard? The first thing I would've insisted that the defense counsel to do would be to file motions on the exact things you articulated for dismissal - They don't own any of the IP they claim to own, can't prove otherwise, and the "IP" wasn't IP in the first place since it was never patented. I can't imagine *any* federal circuit court allowing this to go to deposition and this long if the arguments had been made properly to dismiss because they have *NO* standing. Even in civil court, there is no damage for GWACS to claim.
You do realize that in our court system even a pre evidentiary dismissal can take up to 2 years and $200,000 in legal costs, right?
@@blueishgreen76 I do, however that there have been depositions suggests either no pre-evidentiary dismissal motion was filed, or that it was denied, which is why I asked the question. Also "$200,000 in legal costs" is pretty extreme. Yes, it can be expensive, but I think you're talking about 1/10th that cost for a dismissal at the initial pleadings stage. We're talking IP law here, not criminal or personal injury litigation. The "value" of this type of litigation doesn't justify any party spending $200k just in pre-trial activities.
I looked it up. GWACS basically dropped all the claims except those related to violating NDA contracts. Because NDA's cover sensitive information that is not already subject to patents, copyrights, or trademarks, GWACS didn't have to give any evidence they could prove such ownership. Breach of an NDA is a valid cause of action, and your average Federal judge is ignorant of STEM matters to stop stupid IP claims before discovery.
@@blueishgreen76 I would dksagee that most Federal Judges are ignorant on STEM when it comes to contract law and IP-related law since that is a HUGE part of their day-to-day caseload. I still don't see and answer to my original question though because if this is now a "broke NDA", aka contract dispute, why hasn't GWACS been ordered to show proof of a valid NDA (signed by all named parties) as part of the initial pleadings? Look at any contract lawsuit and the contract itself is almost always required as part of the initial pleading because the plaintiff has to prove they were damaged. If they didn't include an NDA and they were demanded to provide one by the defendants or the court, this would be over since there is almost certainly not one.
Thanks for sharing this, having had a tiny bit of experience with people operating in bad faith, I think I can at least imagine what you are going through. Then again, maybe not, I didn't put a fraction of what you did into this project.
That said, I am terribly sad about this and hope that it is all resolved in your favor, with you, KE Arms, and Brownells recouping all of your legal expenses as well. The only complaint I have about my KP-15 is the price of ammo and the fact that I am not as good a shot as I would like to be.
Please, please, do not give up either on this project on on InRange as a whole due to this. All good things are worth fighting for.
Thank you for the information on the WWSD project. I am a proud owner of a KP-15 FDE lower from KE Arms. I have watched your videos on the WWSD project and decided to build my own. It's sad to see a company stoop so low to sue for things they had no hand in on designing or anything. I am a fan of KE Arms products and to help with this fight I will buy all my parts for any project I am working on for them. I can't do much but I will do what I can. I wish you all victory in this fight and to see KP-15 and the WWDS project flourish.
An activist with too much money and a grifting company. Name a more iconic duo
Reasons you aren't allowed to be happy... and government.
To be honest, half way through before you mentioned the court case I said to myself "They are going to pop up with a dodgy lawsuit and squeeze you guys for just enough so settling was just a bit cheaper than defending the claim", I didn't see the rich arsehole doing it to screw you over for what is effectively shits and giggles.
It's not shits and giggles. Watch the video again.
It's targeted anti duece alpha.
Oppenheimer you say? He has become death, destroyer of monolithic polymer lowers
It sucks that you all have to go through all of this bs. WWSD was such a cool project and I liked seeing how you were all working together to make a viable product out of it even though I could have never gotten my hands on one.
Kind of amazing that GWACS didn't see that coming, injection moulding tools have a limited number of pressings before they are junk - especially when you're using fibre filled polymers (which I assume these lowers are).
I guess either 1. they were unaware of how expensive it is to have injection moulding tools manufactured and/or didn't have the money or will to reinvest, or 2. they didn't get the drawings and engineering specification to make a new tool when theirs wore out, so would have had to start from scratch. The latter seems quite likely to me due to their comments about "finalising" the design of the mk 3.
It's also pretty amazing that they've got this far with the lawsuit given that they likely don't have any IP rights over the part they own the tools for, let alone a completely re-engineered design. The suit is obviously malicious and baseless.
Hopefully you guys can recover the legal fees once this finally falls over.
There is also possibility #3. GWACS may have been a tax scam that got caught flat footed when their years of inventory evaporated overnight. That sort of manufacturing can allow accountants to shift a lot of money around.
@@blueishgreen76 How does that work, keep a bunch of parts in stock, sell them gradually, but claim your running expenses are greater than they are?
If it was a scheme of some sort, it makes sense that they'd be peeved about it.
@@Chlorate299 One " leagal" way is to keep it as a small business elegeable for cash accounting on inventory that let's you write off the full cost of production in the first year deferring taxes until the product is sold years later. (The IRS doesn't like this and has clamped down recently. ) You can also go after friendly "small business" grants, tax breaks, and loans that make the business cheap to operate. Obviously there is a lot more one can do if they resort to outright fraud.
No idea what is exactly in play here, but "group of investors" and a company sitting around for years treading water, only to disappear when on the cusp of being profitable does scream tax shelter.
@@blueishgreen76 Especially since they didn't design the product, they bought the tooling. That seems consistent to me.
@@WJS774 The most charitable read I can take is the that guy who actually ran the company was a ne'er-do-well schemer that didn't fully appreciate all of his "investors" were only interested in the tax write-off, and was legitimately surprised none of them were interested in reinvesting in a real product. Then one of the investor's got greedy when they realized, belatedly, how much money was actually at stake.
From what I can see about the the chartable foundation of the financier of this debacle, he knows more than a thing or two about tax avoidance.
I always wondered how GWACS would react to the KP-15. Today I got my answer. And the answer is, as you said, a grift. I’m sorry you have to go through this.
This is genuinely an insane story. I hope you end up on top of this, financially and legally.
This is the sort of stuff that makes me lose faith in the system. You have one side who are trying to create and innovate and another side that just has a bunch of money. It feels like our system doesn't reward the creators but instead those with the money to grease the courts.
That's because those with the money can influence (bribe) the lawmakers to tweak the system in their favour.
wealth begets wealth, and lawyers are the knight raiders enforcing it. the last few years have really given me no faith in the legal profession, at least when they're employed by a corporation, to act in an ethical responsible manner ever both from public stories and personal interactions.
one could say this is how it always was
Always has been, always will be.
welcome to capitalism
I wonder if the persons who bought KP15s, KP9s, WWSD rifles, and other products that were affected by this misuse of the legal system could form a class action suit against both gwacs and the "angle" investor for the recovery of the increase of the retail price paid?
Anyone who can prove they had the desire to purchase one plus the financial means to do so, can exhibit financial harm from increased cost, and that is the necessary legal evidence for standing to make suit.
Then, that person has to be able to *afford* legal costs. *If* there were several or many such suits, then these could file to be combined in to a class action; however, though this would combine the legal costs, it would be a *_single suit_* and can be defeated as such. Defending against fifty or five hundred or five thousand _individual_ suits would be *much* more of an obstacle!
Geez, what a mess and a legal nightmare. The judicial system is messed up.
InRangeTV, thank you for your transparency. I look forward to seeing the product evolve and grow, once this is all behind us!
Ahahaha hahahahahahaha 😂
My desire for a WWSD2020 rifle is now significantly stronger... Just need the money...
Thank you for sharing, Karl.
The transparency and spotlight on bad action is very much appreciated.
Sounds like their lawyers were just trying to demonstrate their knowledge of (or lack their of) for future ATF positions.
I live in Australia, own no guns, haven't watched any of the WWSD videos, and still found this utterly compelling.
Best of luck for a speedy and just resolution!
The wwsd project was one hell of a journey, if you're into light functional carbines, it's worth a watch
Well I wish you and everybody involved with the WWSD project well and hope you succeed in the long run. I can only imagine how much of a shine was taken off the project by these nefarious antics.
One of the worse things of the US system is the ease of stupid law suits. That court doesn't have a review system to identify frivolous cases. This case is a poster child for it and seems to encourage a couter suit for harrassment. Especially after his comments.
I remember following the project, but could never find a GWACS lower in stock. Kinda absurd that they let their business lapse and are now trying to fight you guys for it.
It is a cash grab (or was supposed to be). In the land of the free, defending ones case is often more expensive than striking a deal out of court.
this is relatable, as I have some experience with kangaroo courts and sham lawsuits. what a pain in the ass.
never stop fighting.
Totally understand why you didn't share this information previously but its great to finally have some background info on what's been going on. Thanks for everything you do!
Most court documents are a matter of public record. Could you possibly provide those in the video description? It might be a real value added.
Patent trolls.
The business model, is to coerce payment for something that is legally disputable.
Whether the legal suit ultimately ends up having any merit in a court isn't terribly relevant.
As long as time and resources are tied up in fighting the vexatious claim, then there is an incentive to just reach a settlement, to make the problem go away.
It is intimidation tactics, and bullying, and opportunism.
Blackmail - essentially.
But it is activity that is also hardly a secret or a surprise.
It is so common - it is more a case of wondering why anyone would be surprised if it happened to them.
It is now pretty much a case of, the cost of doing business in America.
Guess I just gotta get another wwsd lower then! I love my wwsd rifle, and I hope y'all gain more support. This sounds like they made a deal with a devil to recoup their losses to me after failing as a company, and while I know it is a pain I would file a counter suit againts the agitators if financially possible, but you know what is best for you. Anyways, good luck to you Karl, and all of the project members man!
Dude… those lawyers messed with the wrong enthusiast.
They probably went bankrupt, didn’t have the cash on hand to design/create a new mold, but when the owner/s saw KE arms coming out with a monolith polymer lower, they reestablished the company with a skeleton crew to add some legitimacy to their lawsuit.
Sadly it seems the strategy GWACS uses has devolved into "throw money at it until it goes away". I guess it really shows how skewed our system is for money.
This reminds me of old youtube, before the dark times before the monetization. Monetization seems to have changed YT content away from what interesting people think is interesting and to what they know will appeal to the lowest common denominator.
To think That a Anti gun millionaire would squander thousands of dollars, if not millions to sabotage a gun manufacturer. 🤔 in this day in age, 100%
Not many things are as dangerous as the wealthy with an agenda.
Michael Bloomberg, George Soros...
Sorry to hear of all the legal BS.. that said I'm even more glad my father grabbed one of your WWSD2020 rifles. It's an amazing rifle. Happy hunting against the fools trying to steal your hard work!
So sorry y'all went through this. Had no idea.
GWACS bought the mold for the CAV-15 Mk.II, they then marketed the product built with this mold as 'CAV-15 Mk.II'. ...did GWACS buy the rights to the CAV-15 Mk.II brand name? 🤔
They're hoping for an Out Of Court paycheck to give up "any and all rights"
I really do dislike the "justice" system we're subject to. Lots of total bullshit. Worse yet, all this time and money spent fighting it won't likely be won back in a counter suit because of that same system. Is it really too much to ask to just be left alone?
lol this world is competitive. "freedom" can't compete with adaptive behavior.
I bought the kp 15 complete lower. It's an awesome product. I really appreciate all you guys have done to make it possible. I wish y'all the best of luck dealing with those low life idiots.
Thanks for the update Karl. As a known sh** magnet in the Healthcare world, I feel your pain and wish you the best. Sorry man.
It's a shame that gun companies are going at each other's throats when the system itself is against them. I wish you and KE the best of luck with the lawsuit, I know first hand that legal battles are never a quick and easy venture. Hopefully GWACS can accept the fact that they're failures and disappear into obscurity for all of our sakes.
Calling GWACS a gun company is a bit of a stretch. It was an investment venture that incidentally involved guns. I doubt they ever felt any kinship.
Christ. Had no idea this was going down with a company right in my backyard. You mentioning Oklahoma and then TULSA, then Oppenheimer... That guy is campaigning here and it all seemed sketch. Insane to hear his hamd in this.
Thanks for telling the tale and fighting the fight. I built several WWSD type rifles a few years back, Faxon pencil barrels, CF FF HGs, carbine lowers with Rogers Superstocs. Came in at 6 lbs 2 oz, great handling rifles.
Would be interesting to hear Fudd Busters take on this.
I would LOVE to see that deposition when all this is over. Hope the summary judgement works out.
Could they be counter sued for business damges/ business interference? Also could you/they set up a gofundme for the current lawsuit? I'm sure there would be many people out ther who would support you/them against this and at least take some of the financial pressures off.
Thanks for coming out with this, Karl. Good luck in your fight against the anti-gunners.
Scenario #4 : Dudes named Oppenheimer just want to see the world burn
Unfortunately I suspect that the world will burn
Nothing to say besides wishing you best of luck. As soon as I can get my hands on a wwsd here in Italy I will absolutely do so, because I love the concept and now because I’ll know that in doing so I’m supporting your battle to get justice for yourself and for a company that’s truly innovative and deserving. Keep up the good work!
Sorry you have had to go through that. Good luck.
I wondered why the WWSD2020 videos were so sparse compared to the WWSD2017 videos. Now we know.
I have nothing but contempt for GWACS Armory and Reed Oppenheimer.
All the best to everyone behind WWSD! Give them all you got!
What a ridiculous situation! My condolences. Hope you win out in the end. With costs. And that the end is not all that far away.
Personally I think that Oppenheimer used "I don't wanna sell them scary assault weapons" as an attempt to gain sympathy from the court, banking on them being anti gunners if I heard right and he was a prior investor.
Alternatively he could have had a change of heart however. Either way still a shit bag.
I think he might have actually shot himself in the foot right there (maybe somewhere else next time). The suit is about the design / rights to produce the lowers, and implied loss of profit due to someone else designing something to fill the void. I think saying that will actually make his case harder because he can't claim he suffered financial damages because he intentionally buried the company before KE produced anything like it. That also gives him no gives him no advantage in the actual lawsuit because he's suing over the design. If anything it might strengthen KE arms case because he clearly let slip that the new design has no effect on his business in the future because he's already abandoned that market
The most interesting Inrange ever. A real insight into American firearm industry politics. I hope you succeed. Respect from Australia.
PS: I don't suppose when gwacs are beaten you can market a GWAC memorial edition to kick their corporate memory into their grave?
Wow. You just gotta love shitty people. It's really sad that the folks behind this seem to think they actually stand a chance in court. Says a lot about our legal system. Apparently they had no idea who Karl is though, or they might have thought better of it. Good luck, I hope it all works out for you in the end!
I'm sorry for this unduly mess and ...
I must say you are a most excellent communicator. You managed to explain such a convoluted story in an interesting, engaging and light way manner. Your work in the community is very much appreciated and valued but ...
Have you ever thought of working for the History Channel?
I really hope the best for you and everyone affected by this frivolous lawsuit. I would like to eventually buy a WWSD2020 rifle but will see about supporting you through Patreon in the meantime.
I would love to get one also, but CA.
@@con6lex hope the recent court happenings bring an end to the california antigun tyranny.
@@con6lex CA sucks, but there are compliant versions of almost any rifle.
Put a fin on the grip and a brake on the muzzle, and the WWSD should be CA legal.
I understand the frustration and blinding hot rage that comes with a situation like this. It burned the heart out of me and took many years to get the enthusiasm and joy back. Thankfully I did. Gain strength from friends and family brother.
Wow, I'm saddened to hear that InRange and K&E have to endure this criminal and frankly ugly "legal" action. I think what your collaboration has achieved represents what is great in this country. Best of luck on the Lawsuit. I hope you send them to whence they came, tails between their legs.
Hey what's up Karl, I worked in plastic injection molding for a short while with my dad and he's done it for years.
The mold wearing out is a real thing, injecting polymer actually wears out molds pretty quickly depending on the needs, and the molds themselves cost in the 6 figures to re-engineer and re-manufacture if you don't have the CAD files for the CNC you have.
For example the molds for your average dewalt cordless drills are gonna need changing every few tens of thousands of units, because those are made of poly-carbonate, with 30% glass fibers by weight for reinforcement. Those glass fibers wear the molds very quickly.
I don't know the materials engineering of the monolithic lower but it's safe to assume there's glass fiber reinforcement in there. Still, shame that GWACS is "patent trolling".
F that guy. I don’t need another rifle but when I hear of such actions from a wealthy “businessman” buying a WWSD is very attractive. My own form of activism is to exercise my rights.
Thanks for putting up the fight and sticking with it. The liars will find any and every way to destroy truth.
Sounds like they need to be counter sued into bankruptcy.
Thanks for clarifying what this was all about. Good luck to you and I hope your efforts succeed and it just ends up costing GWACS and their investors a lot of money and time for no gain.
Oh buddy I feel for you guys.