Why Do Smash Fans Hate Banjo-Kazooie Now?
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2023
- Have you ever found yourself browsing Twitter as a fan of the somewhat popular yet currently irrelevant 90's platformer Banjo-Kazooie, and then you stumble across a bunch of people not only insulting said platformer, but also basing their hatred off of wildly incorrect claims!? No? It's just me that's been annoyed by that? Oops
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Music used:
Spiral Mountain - Banjo-Kazooie
Treasure Trove Cove (Remix) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mad Monster Mansion (Remix) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Vs. Mr. Patch - Banjo-Tooie
Gobi's Valley - Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Kazooie Main Theme (Remix) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Vs. Klungo (Remix) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Spiral Mountain (Remix) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Spiral Mountain - Banjo-Tooie
Outro:
Isle O' Hags (Cloud Cuckooland) - Banjo-Tooie
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I don’t care how many people hate Banjo, I’ll never forget the sheer joy I felt when I saw that announcement trailer
As a ness main I don’t hate banjo at all but he is one my hardest opponents. I never played any of his games but they must have been amazing games
Same
@@ryanbates3319they are
@@ryanbates3319 Banjo is a 3d collect-a-thon is the same fashion as Mario 64.
When I first Knew about Banjo Kazooie, it was when the DLC trailer was out, then I watched it more and more about it and fell in love (not literally) with the Bear & Bird! Also the 1st game scares me because of the game overs, but it's still fun. And what idiots thought that they didn't deserve it?!?!?
they hate him because hes not a swordie, with a comeback mechanic
As a fan of Banjo Kazooie, I was so excited and happy when i saw them as a DLC character in smash
That was when I first became a Banjo fan
I’ve no attachment to Banjo-Kazooie but I’m already a minute in to the video, and your passion for the series is truly awesome! KEEP BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT YOU LIKE WE NEED MORE OF THAT DARN IT!! I do believe they deserve a spot in Smash too, dunno what the deal is with Smash fans and thinking otherwise. The whole point is to include as many iconic video game characters as possible, right? They’re iconic too! Even if I’ve never played the games, I still recognize them very easily!
Yea.
As a Banjo-Kazooie fan/Geno supporter, I really loved this video a lot. People hate Banjo & Kazooie so much nowadays and I never understood why. This may be bit of an unpopular opinion, but I personally think gimmicks in Smash are overrated and I'm actually glad Banjo doesn't have one. His moveset makes him feel like he has always belonged, and I couldn't have asked for anything more.
Also don't forget how the voice of Gumball Watterson reacted to seeing Banjo and Kazooie being in smash. You can't get that same reaction for Kazuya.
God that video is so good
@@tofudemaru Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
Comparing Banjo to most of the DLC characters is not a fair comparison, cause Banjo is the only DLC that is from a plat-former. It makes more sense to compare Banjo to say Peach, K Rool and Luigi.
Good video! Also got into Banjo due to the internet back in the day, and picked up and picked up an N64 almost exclusively to play Kazooie and Tooie. Same with Mario RPG. Sales stats really can't begin to describe some games' influence.
Smash fans: "We don't like Banjo-Kazooie in Smash!"
Sakurai: "Then why did you ask for them?"
Honestly its just the smash fandom being the smash fandom. They probably are mad their character didnt get added or have some twisted logic that theors will never get added if characters such as geno or like idk rayman are so much more widely wanted. I mean, look at how much hate waluigi fans get.
1:03 Undoubtedly, the best part of the whole video
I think that also comes as a response from fans who like anime characters against people calling all of them the same and hating on them, so they hate on the cartoony characters calling them Scrimblo bimblos
i still main them, win online tournaments and enjoy the fact, that they are in smash! nice video! thank you
Dude, your video styles are AWESOME and not LAZY like other youtubers who do this same style, your character actually animates and moves, unlike the other more popular/famous youtubers who just have lazy still sprites. ur a cool dude
Also Banjo and Kazuya deserve love best bear and bird combo :(
I hope we get another Banjo Kazooie game this year!
@@samuelbrown1283 Yes! have you heard the rumors? praying!!!
@@MousyTTR Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Breegul Blaster can be used to pressure opponents.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
found this on my recommended and I LOVE IT. subbed.
Very awesome video all things considered! Banjo is such a beloved character that I hate to see people saying he shouldn’t have been a fighter, every fighter has a reason why they are there. Sora is another one that’s super dear to me as he was a character I wanted for so long even though there was people who said he’d never get in and he was the most requested fighter yet people will still say he’s boring or that he didn’t deserve to get in.
When I play Smash Ultimate with my irl Friends or Contacts, I always pick Banjo-Kazooie as my Main Fighter. It's also one of my favourites besides Samus and Meta Knight.
I must say, this Fighter is balanced despite having all Iconic Moves from the Original BK Games (And the Fact, that they added almost all Abilities from that Duo into Smash - You can clearly see, how much passion the Devs put into it in order to make the BK Fans happy!).
According to my Contacts, who aren't Gamers but played with me while visiting them... Banjo-Kazooie is a good Fighter for Beginners.
But that's entirely New to hear, that the Smash Community are disliking them... (Okay probably because I'm not reading much in the Smash Community)
Banjo, ness and DK, gotta love em
When you combine physical N64 sales, Rentals, XBLA, Xbox Gamepass & Emulation it's clear that Banjo-Kazooie is way more popular than Croc ever was. Sales data alone doesn't give you an accurate picture of how popular a franchise is.
I’m really glad that they got into the game. I remember crying tears of joy when they first got revealed because they were my most requested characters and they’ve been my main since release.
Their move-set is a bit unorthodox with how it fits into competitive play, but I’d say it allows room for a lot of creativity with their setups and combos which I absolutely adore. It’s like i’m fighting a boss from the original games and having to figure how to go about fighting against that character with the duo.
When he said "There are plenty of smash character who i think ate pretty annoying to fight" i expected him to show Steve!
I didn’t know who banjo and kazooie were until smash and I personally think they have earned their spot on the smash roster
Nice arguments, I especially like the one where you related how popularity can change with among us, and the game theory joke was actually funny (like, I laughed out loud 😆). I never even saw these arguments but I think they are annoying too but for VERY different reasons. I play pretty competitively with my brother and I don't understand why people think he's annoying to play as but I totally get why he is not fun to fight against. They can ledge guard, juggle you, and the golden feather move is op, despite its limited use. Don't get me wrong tho, the games that they come from are AMAZING (except for that go-cart "revival" 😒) and I don't hate the characters themselves for having an annoying move-set...so yah, that's my two cents 😁.(But yea, he definitely deserved his spot on the roster)
As someone who voted for Banjo & Kazooie in the Smash Ballot and considered their reveal to be among the Top Ten Best Moments of my Life, I wholeheartedly appreciate your defense of both the characters and their games!
So it’s not that the smash community hates Banjo, I and many others in the community have been requesting banjo for years, you can look at the reactions of popular smash content creators at the time with examples of Esam and Coney. But there are factors outside of them just being in smash that some don’t enjoy.
1. Move set and game feel - while banjo is very faithful to his games it feels as though it’s a good and a bad thing. His movement is very clunky in the air with some of the worst multi jump height for that kind of character in the game making it so his options in the air both defensively and offensively aren’t great. Along with that while his run speed is great with the use of Kazooie, his initial dash is really slow and clunky, so his movement while being faithful to the games is sorta not fun when brought into the genre of a platform fighter.
Along with the weird feel of moving around with banjo his options feel very limiting, this is partly because I think the smash team was worried over how over-tuned a move like wonderwing is so most of his other options were made more underwhelming to compensate. For example no combos off grab, up tilt not hitting grounded opponents, eggs being neutralized really easily, up air not comboing or having hit-stun, neutral air having issues with its consistency compared to other similar moves, dash attack barely having any range.
And with both of those combinations combined banjo when he gets a hit doesn’t really get to follow up off of it outside of some simple bread and butters, which makes him rely more on a nickel and dime zoning style which to a lot of people isn’t really that fun. So even people that wanted really badly to play banjo just felt disappointed that he wasn’t what they envisioned for the character.
2. Generational divide
Frankly even though Banjo is very popular within Nintendo fans and the smash community from before ultimate, there is a generational divide in the popularity of the character, younger smash fans didn’t really grow up with banjo as a character so it’s understandable in them not being ecstatic for the character. The same way that those in smash community that are younger will dislike banjo, there was an equal dislike from the older generation with characters like Steve for example, while alot of younger players gravitate towards Steve since that’s the character they grew up with.
3. Every character including Banjo gets the same treatment as banjo. Because people on the internet are shitty.
While not having the same complaints as Banjo every character receives some hate involving there inclusion. Sora for example had alot of people shitting on him saying he wasn’t deserving or hating his play style even even though he was the most requested character.
Part of the reason Banjo and Sora can feel singled out is frankly because of their sizable fanbases with those characters taking up a lot of discussion when the dlc was being developed.
And with this discussion frankly a lot of characters fanbases can be seen frankly as annoying, I remember with a lot of build up around e3 2019 there was a lot of hype for people about banjo, hero was announced at the start of the direct, and Nintendo of America twitter was hounded with Nintendo fans demanding Banjo. When a character has this much of a fan base it’s much easier to get a rise out of members of a community. Like is it cool to antagonize no but it’s just part of the internet
Again there’s a lot of people that play smash and love banjo in the community he’s just kinda disappointing to play for a lot of people who’ve waited for so long, and a lot of discourse around the character is typically bad faith arguments trying to get a rise out of people.
Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
He’s not disappointing to play as to me at all. He feels so fun ❤
I despise banjo with a burning passion.Wonderwing is not a well designed move.When he uses you literally have to play to his rules as you cannot challenge him when he uses it.PLus it allows him to recover for free as rarely any character can edgeguard him while wonderwing is active
@@gamedragonja8962i use WW to get back to stage only, and tech chases. You can grab Banjo when he does WW, its just rare to see it happen. Don’t even get me started on grenegg 😂 Ive put over 1000 hours into Banjo alone. I love the character. I think he’s underrated and he is a top 20-30 character 🤷
@@chrisbeach423 most banjo's use ww as a panic or burst option.Like when they realize their moveset is literal dogshit and their losing theu start hoping to just power through some attacks and get kills.You ever wonder why most people dont attempt to grab wonderwing?Because the risk is not worth it.The grab window is smaller than you think.What about grenade and egg?Their shit prpjectiles.Bro look I know you put in alot of hours into banjo but he isnt underrated and he isnt top 20-30.Banjo is literal grabage.Quite frankly the worst allrounder in the game.I would honestly say that a banjo that runs out of wonderwings is worse than little mac
I have a bit of a response to this video since I have my fair share of the Bear and Bird growing up. I got into the series when it was introduced back in 1998; I was only 5 at the time. When I first play the games, I was amazed and happy I was and I grew a strong attachment to them nonstop until their buyout from Microsoft in 2002, considering them irrelevant in my eyes for the time. As I moved from Banjo-Kazooie, I grew more into other IPs from Animal Crossing, Final Fantasy, Persona, Doom, Minecraft, Fortnite, and more. So, when the day Banjo-Kazooie was introduced into Smash Ultimate, I was really shock that someone from the past came back and shook the world once again. Although, as I grew older, do I still have that attachment to these characters? Of course I do, that won't changed and I am glad there are younger fans seeing the majesty of these iconic characters, but...I also realize a lot of these fans are just mad that their certain character wasn't in smash, so they take it out on Banjo-Kazooie. Even in the competitive scene, I don't see much Banjos trying to optimize their toolkit but they are putting in the effort to make them work and be popular again. Another reason is that Banjo-Kazooie was put onto smash for the chance Rare MIGHT make the "missing third game: Banjo-Threeie" in the series (if we don't count Nuts n Bolts) but Rare recently announce "there isn't an audience to make the third game possible." Umm...YOU SURE ABOUT THAT, RARE?! Anyway, Do I think Banjo-Kazooie deserve the hate from Smash fans? Of course not but it really depends on how strong the fanbase are and how dedicated to the legacy of the bear and bird are. To me, they are iconic and deserving of their spot in smash but they aren't for me, TO ME. I do have better luck with my Isabelle and Joker due to my love of Animal Crossing and Persona 5, but Banjo-Kazooie are deserving of the spot, even if their time in the spotlight are over. As much as people can hate on Banjo, they are in since 2019 and they will never leave. We gotta learn to deal with it. Banjo is cool to many if you see him as relevant TO YOU!!! That's my 2 cents.
Just saying I cried when I saw the Banjo Kazooie reveal trailer. I grew up in the 90s and I've wanted Banjo Kazooie in smash since I've first time playing smash 64.
Also my 4 year old loves Playing Banjo Kazooie on my Xbox. So he's going to probably be a Banjo Kazooie fan when he's older.
BTW great video.
6:10 this is me, THIS IS ME. 19 years old here, played it back in highschool i little before he was announced for smash.
I think Banjo is fun to play as and there's a lot of hidden tech and unexplored territory by most people who use him (including myself) that makes Banjo go from 67th on the official Tier List to High in Mid Tier, or low on High Tier.
Banjo feels super good in the hands and it's fun to use him. His biggest weaknesses are his damage output asside Side B and F-Smash, and not having the best disjoints.
Banjo's more of a spammy type of character than just a zoner. I totally get the hate to a degree but still think he's overly hated. There's a lot of characters that are redicuoously OP, like Pyra/Mythra, Steve, Kazuya, etc. I think Pyra's range and damage is absolutely busted, Kazuya has to try less hard than Luigi for his 0 to death, and Steve does things that have to have minutes analyze if the community were to ban it, minutes adds to more minutes and can delay the tournament even an extra hour (talking about the parrying thing).
So many characters play lame in this game. Banjo isn't even as bad as it gets tbh.
The bear and the bird get way too much hate like c'mon guys
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I never played Banjo-Kazooie but they fit right into Smash and I was more hype for them than any of the other Ultimate newcomers or DLC fighters aside from Ridley, K. Rool, the Belmonts and Sephiroth.
People hating on them saying they don't deserve a spot just seems to me like taking out their frustration with how they play in Smash, which is a fair complaint honestly. Being a Bowser Jr. main, Rear Egg feels extremely obnoxious because it's very similar to Jr's Mechakoopa but better in pretty much every way. It coming out so fast, immediately being active and the space it covers makes it very difficult to get past as a defensive wall type projectile. That's just a balance issue though and it's absurd to say they don't belong on the roster when we have characters like Wii Fit Trainer, Game & Watch and Duck Hunt in the game not getting nearly the same amount of hate.
I know they want to sell fighters, but I can't tell you how much I despise gimmick fighters. Even though I don't use him, I appreciate Banjo for this because he is a Smash character and not character's gameplay from character's series just lifted or has some mechanic stuck onto him. He's designed how they were always meant to be designed and I like that.
Banjo/kazooie are one of my mains and I'm happy about their moveset. Maybe people don't like them because they're not have fast combo moves like Mario for example, he can do a few up-air and connect with his up-special. Combos are the most epic things in fighting games.
A Tekken character was a obvious choice because of Namco Bandai working on the game. Kazuya being the one was probably Harada's doing.
It was. Harada wants Kazuya for be the face of Tekken insead of Heihachi. Hence why Heihachi was killed in the last Tekken
BK's moveset should have been exactly what it was with a few tweaks to make them play more like a basic jack of all trades character like mario instead of having mediocre attacks and being over reliant on camping with eggs.
I would have kept the egg shooting forward attack but remove the breagull blaster all together. It is already referenced enough with the beak bayonet f-tilt. I also think their side B "ammo" gimmick was pretty lame since the move didn't even pressure shields very much and had tons of end lag. The duo's recovery is also really lacking.
I would change their gimmick to be that all of their special moves are stronger but use ammo that appears on stage and must be collected by just touching it. Only BK can collect them. Up B would be fly with red feathers, Side B would still be wonder wing and gold feathers, neutral B would still be egg fire with eggs, down B would be some kind of Jinjo attack requiring you to rescue a jinjo. That way they could have some actual power in their arsenal and a DLC character gimmick that makes sense and makes them more viable.
I dont think of WW as a gimmicky move, I use it mainly as a get back to stage move when someones trying to edge guard me, and off a tech chase from a down tilt. I wish more pro players would pick Banjo up. His potential is higher than people think
as a banjo-kazooie fan and smash main i also could say only cause i cant play a character cause of the moveset doesnt make them bad for example i cant play as ness and lucas and i still like both so yeh the people that have a problem with that just cant handle their lack of skill i guess
Video is really good but homie don’t let twitter affect you so much, I’d say it’s better to ignore their bullshit and enjoy life
i'm a Banjo main, i win more matches than i lose and consistently play against mid to high level players. Torigori, the pro Banjo player, is really bringing a lot to the table lately.
this was a well made video. nice!
I have a friend who hates Banjo-Kazooie wonder wing. He calls it a "A cheap move." Yet he plays Bowser that has tha F*CKING command grab. I've came up with a way to counter it though.
This possible hatred of old characters getting in before newer characters when there's actually a pretty good balance of eras and consoles represented so far makes me fear what would happen to a game like Nasb and Nasb2 if they were more popular, given the blatant 80-90s nostalgia they got, it's so bad there's only 2 characters from the 2010's and one of them is Korra
Though maybe that's an issue with Nick themselves and how they killed everything and anything that didn't bring in immediate spongeBob success and thus that's a forgotten era/Viacom goes out of its way to ignore it idk
I really like this video, because I'm not really one of those newfangled Banjo in Smash Bros haters. Banjo deserved his spot, and he always did! Also, completely unrelated, but how's progress on Penguinronpa chapter 6?
I will say banjo&kazooie is a part of nintendo history so not include them would be a loss.
I’ve honestly never really agreed with the people who want Banjo & Kazooie cut from the game, although I can at least understand why, but also a lot of people wanted him in the game and it made them really happy so it was worth it.
Honestly it makes more sense to cut Min Min & Pyra/Mythra from the game that way Dante & Dr. Eggman could replace them, they’re both way more deserving and they could still have a unique DLC gimmick, also I think Richter could’ve easily been an alt skin for Simon because they’re practically the same moveset wise, and he’s the least unique echo fighter in the entire game, that way we could’ve gotten Shadow as a semi echo for Sonic. We could’ve gotten two new Sonic characters & Dante just by cutting a few characters although Richter wouldn’t even be really cut from the game because you could access him as an alt skin for Simon, how cool would that have been? You could make a case to cut Byleth as well, but honestly Min Min’s & Pyra/Mythra’s inclusions are debatably even worse because I feel like they’re the two characters that deserved a DLC spot the least out of all the characters that were included, more so than even Byleth’s inclusion.
Could you imagine how cool the reveal trailer for Shadow would’ve been if he was revealed as the last echo fighter to be included for the base roster? Also having the end of his reveal trailer saying the Ultimate lifeform in the Ultimate Smash game would’ve been the cherry on top. Especially since the 3rd party echo fighters were the only echo fighters that got a cool reveal trailer like Ken and then when Richter appeared for Simon’s reveal trailer? After just saying that you can probably start to see why Richter would’ve made more sense as an alt skin for Simon.
Also which Fighters Pass 2 roster looks better?
This?
1. Min Min
2. Steve
3. Sephiroth
4. Pyra/Mythra
5. Kazuya
6. Sora
Or This?
1. Dante
2. Steve
3. Sephiroth
4. Kazuya
5. Dr. Eggman
6. Sora
Or maybe cut Kazuya because it seems a little weird to have Dante & Kazuya in the same Fighters Pass so maybe it could go like this:
Fighters Pass 2:
1. Dante
2. Steve
3. Sephiroth
4. Any unique character that stands out among the rest of the characters in this particular Fighters Pass that could also have a unique DLC gimmick but they can’t be from either Devil May Cry, Minecraft, Final Fantasy, Sonic or Kingdom Hearts because they already have a character included in this Fighters Pass.
5. Dr. Eggman
6. Sora
Alright, I definitely don't speak for the entirety of the competitive scene, but as a competitive player, I think a bit of the argument was misconstrued. I don't think most people think that Banjo and Kazooie is a wasted slot, rather that they could've been more than what they are in their current form in smash. I say this as someone who adores Banjo and Kazooie and nearly cried at their reveal trailer. Their animations are excellent and extremely fluid, their stage and music choices are on point, but I do take issue on how he is played. He is almost designed to play campily which isn't what I'd attribute Banjo and Kazooie to being as a character. While the moveset is faithful to a lot of moves from Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie, I don't think a platformer character should have some of the worst movement stats in the game, and instead should be focusing more on combos rather than keeping their opponent out. Also, a few of the moves that Banjo has stands out as very unoriginal such as his Neutral Air (just a ripoff of Ivysaur's and Piranha Plant's), his Forward Air (very similar in nature to Mario's), his up tilt (which is just snake's but worse). Personally, I'd suggest a change to his movesets like making his neutral air him swinging his backpack, while making his forward air rat-a-tat instead of his back air to fit more in line with his games, as well as changing his up tilt from the kick to an uppercut that then combos into his up air (I'd also imagine this would be buffed as well to have less end lag so it can combo into itself for more damage), and making his back air something like the Beak Barge where it is a strong long range attack to compensate for his back air being removed. I'd also make his movement stats better, particularly in the air to sort of match the platformer vibe he had. I think this would not only make Banjo and Kazooie better overall but also promote a more aggressive playstyle more similar to how he plays in his games in contrast to the campy one he is shown to have in Ultimate. But, hey, that's just my opinion, sorry for the very long comment but I just felt like Banjo could be so much more :)
Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
Comparing Banjo to most of the DLC characters is not a fair comparison, cause Banjo is the only DLC that is from a plat-former. It makes more sense to compare Banjo to say Peach, K Rool and Luigi.
@@orangeslash1667his nair is underrated.
I get what your saying. But name a character in the game that has more moves loyal to their game than Banjo?!? Banjos NAIR is underrated. His BAIR is amazing at hitting people off stage into the stage and people miss the tech 90% of the time and die. I love his moveset.. I’ve also put over 1000 hours into him alone.. so im not biased 😂
@@orangeslash1667my main use for WW is to get back to stage safely. Its a free recovery tool. His NAIR is better than people think. If you catch someones jump with it then you can combo it into up air. I love Banjo and his custom combos. When a grenegg hits someone you can make any combo you want. Also the eggs is great at gimping characters off stage 😂
@@chrisbeach423 the missing tech part of bair may just be online making it hard to tech. also I'm not saying his moveset is unoriginal, I'm saying it should be changed more in line to be more aggressive rather than sitting back and camping (while also making some changes to include more references)
I was so annoyed that some people hated banjo simply because they had never played his game but then mained characters of games they also have not even played and said “i don’t have to play the game to main them” then why can you hate a character when you’ve never played the game? If you’re going to hate characters based on how they play in smash you’re going to have a very skewed like/dislike of video game characters.
There’s nothing more annoying then competitive smash players who talk shit about a character and their fans based on their competitive viability, as if they didn’t make up even a fraction of the player base compared to the percentage of people who literally just play the game casually and pick their favorite scrimblo
Most competitive players don’t care what people who play casually do.
The only dlc character that doesn’t have some broken mechanic. And no, wonder wing isn’t broken. That move honestly sucks, you get 5 per stock, it’s easy to dodge, and if you use them all up, the move is literally useless, it doesn’t even do 1 percent
Gonna eat me some mac and cheese and am hydrating myself sir, agree with most of your definitions of gimmicky, except maybe Byleth and Sora. Plus i would argue Peach/Daisy and Marth are kinda gimmicky at this point
Seems like we’re starting to go with this same song and dance but with Sora now lately. Smash fans sure love to just switch up out of nowhere lol
The other day I booted up Ultimate just cause I wanted to play as Banjo too. Can we get a proper sequel 🥲
Fellow Banjo Kazooie main here: 👋
It's my biggest problem with the Smash Bros fanbase: people being so ungrateful for a character they wanted to finally get in the game playable with a faithful move set.
I think Banjo Kazooie has much better representation then Sonic (we know how bad Sonic's represented) and even then: I still play as Sonic because he's from my favourite video game franchise
I have to think of Sonic's moveset and you're absolutely right. I main Banjo too but I felt besides giving him a tool kit from both Kazooie and Tooie the moves were awkwardly placed (Beak Drill and Split Pad Kazooie's spinning attack from Tooie, forgot their names, being their Up Smash and also the spinny move having Banjo alongside it)
I also thought it was weird Banjo buried people and had an upward kick that he never did in the games.
I also main Banjo but I do think they did a great job with his Specials.
And you're correct: Sonic is just a ball... "Spinning around at the Speed of Sound". His Side B, Down B, and Neutral B he's just a blue ball. And his back Air and Forward Air animations were copy and pasted from Falco's in Brawl and onward just with different properties.
You're totally right though. And no hate toward Sonic either. Most Sonic players are also pretty chill people. I know a good player from my area who got 4th place in a Smash 4 tournament with over 1000 people and lost to K9Bruce's Yoshi. His name is 2Quik (formally known as Chris)
I also think the Banjo Smash Player Base is very nice and welcoming and have some of the funniest names do hidden tech, like bro... KFC 😂 (Kentucky Fried Chicken or Kazooie Fast Cancel).
I used to main Greninja and I was the first person to post a Footstool combo string off Down Air and then I went to a tournament and they taught me it wasn't true it was just based off DI, and all these other Greninja players told me I was wrong and that it was true on their videos
I was the first one to post that video and I have to upload date there for proof. And I said the thing that I came out with first was not guaranteed and was not true. They told me that it is true, and always find ways to take arguments with me. I dropped the character because he has no out of Shield options, add Banjo does. Greninja feels amazing when you win the match up but when you lose the matchup he feels awful. Banjo doesn't feel as bad you just have to play a little different. I just feel Greninja dominates more in than most characters I know in favorable match ups, I bring my Greninja back, but yes for the most part the Greninja Community can be kind of elitist.
I know a girl who used Lucas and the Lucas community was super mean to her. And she was just a girl gamer trying to learn the game. She's pretty damn good at the game too and for the longest time she had more hours than me until this year. She's also really pretty, funny, and nice and plays guitar.
Smash is just a very sweaty game with a very toxic community. Sad our boy Banjo gets hate.
And tbh I noticed the characters with the most toxic play styles seem to be the nicest people in the Community
I've been playing Smash Bros since the beginning, and I wanted Banjo-Kazooie in the game for 20 years because back then they literally WERE Nintendo characters. When Rare was sold to Microsoft, Nintendo exchanged the Banjo-Kazooie IP (which they owned) in for the Donkey Kong characters Rare had created (which Rare owned). Basically, this prevented a Geno situation from happening with the Donkey Kong IP, but Banjo-Kazooie was the cost. Anyone of a certain age probably thinks of Banjo-Kazooie as a Nintendo franchise and a lost piece of Nintendo's history missing from Smash Bros.
I’ve never hated Banjo and Kazooie in Smash and never will.
Looks like I have reason to continue playing as Banjo to troll the other players the next time I play~.
TLDR: Boring and innefective specials. His game plan is kind of a nothing burger because his specials don't meld together cohesively whatsoever. I just personally don't enjoy playing Banjo regardless of if it's Casual or Competitive because of this.
Their specials are my only gripe with the duo. Why does a whacky cartoon bear and bird get a grenade that is hard to work with, a neutral special with combo potential that is both frame perfect and does the same as two to three combo strings. And a generic and vulnerable up b only having utility as a recovery option, and only a recovery option. Nothing else.
Side b is cool, he kind of needs that level of cheese considering how tasteless and suboptimal his other options are. Down and neutral b kind of just results in everyone trying to camp with him. Which do to his movement being slowed down while holding Kazooie, is pretty easy to get around even for some slower characters. Down B being either only a wall, or a predictable throw forward is kind of rough as well. Down B having a bigger timer might have resulted in it being a pretty neat utility tool like Snakes grenades or Diddy's banana. But I guess they thought full invincibility is broken, so having a genuinely useful and flexible tool to mess with would have been too much to handle? Idk.
Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
What makes Banjo standout is that he has both a Wondering and bury. You know K Rool and R.O.B have a bury down B, Banjo can do the same thing. If Banjo can't killing with wondering, he can bury them whiling killing them with an up tilt. Breegul Blaster is great for pressuring the opponent preventing them from approaching. If you're really talented you can use Breegul Blaster to send them into the air and immediately use up tilt to kill them.
I mainly recover with WW to not get edge guarded, also the greneggs is more than a wall or “predictable forwards throw. Sometimes I intentionally throw the egg in the opposite direction, or jump and throw it to catch their jumps. Then get the opponent confused on what ima do next. Up B isnt great but with 3 jumps and WW you can pretty much recover from anywhere. Neutral B is great for gimping opponents off stage. I rarely bring out neutral special, will do it once or twice a match to surprise opponents. Also on ledge popping off a grenegg will force an opponent to back up and you can safely get back on stage. BAIR is great at forcing techs off stage, and D-tilt is severely underrated. Im not the best banjo in the world but my banjo is pretty damn good. I wish a top player would pick him up. I think his ceiling is super high.
Smash Fans hating on characters over the moveset and thus make fun of fans of said character is no new thing sadly, I Love playing Sonic but campers tainted Sonics rep because instead of using Sonic for what hes made for, chasing opponets and not giving them a breather, they use Sonic to camp and everyone bullies Sonic mains...
i srespect the game But you have to Complete 85% To actually see the End in 1
great video, banjo was my first game haha
Compare the sales of Banjo and Croc as evidence of popularity is dump because the users base was diference. This is a wild guest but I belive 8 of 10 n64 users bought Banjo and 1 of 100 ps1 users bought Croc.
That is why Banjo is remember by nintendo fans as a cherriesed franshise and ps players who play Croc remember it as that grandma gift that bought in a Walmart clearance.
I think the reason that bizarre conspiracy theory of "Banjo was never popular, Nintendo RUclipsrs just gaslit people into thinking it was" got any traction was because people wanted to dunk on Nintendo fans and paint them as delusional. Just because they got pissy for Arlo supposedly saying Banjo was more popular than Tekken (which he didn't). Just because it isn't popular now (not releasing any games in 15 years for no good reason does that to a series), doesn't mean it never was. You didn't need to be there to understand that, it's just logical thinking.
I don’t know a single soul who has talked crap about them since their release, or frankly ever:
After watching the rest of your video, first time here, by the way, I frankly need to recommend people to act man or video game dunkeys reviews on banjo Kazooie, because after realizing most of it is from people who live on Twitter, their opinions are all rendered irrelevant because they were not around in the 90s more than likely to experience the beauty that was this franchise
Also, quite literally just look at the reaction trailer for them being released in smash, and people collectively lost their damn minds
After seeing Steve moveset, I think Banjo was done dirty compared to him as far as Microsoft reps go (Must be the "First rep of your franchise/company" syndrome).
Personally, I was more on the camp that Master Chief would get in as the 1st Microsoft rep, because he is their mascot, he is still very popular and still relevant. And was against Steve, because he is too recent, feels like a fad and has not much video game history or even more games, and therefore doesn't deserve a spot in Smash (I kinda feels the same way toward Bayonetta too. Joker gets a pass, because his franchise is old, has LOTS of games and has video game history).
I understand yeah banjo also got a lot of hate before getting confirmed as well due to the minecraft steve fans because these steve fans thought they would be the Microsoft pick. Lots of people wanted master chief Dante doomslayer and seeing that characters like banjo terry pyra mythra minmin sora getting picked over them does get people mad because they never heard of them nor played their games. Some were disappointed with the move set and I've seen people's different interpretations of banjo even in brawl mods. I even thought banjo deserved to be a main roster character instead of dlc when I talked with friends because how his moveset was. No matter what some characters are going to be hated no matter what they have because it's not their characters added. Despite that I'm glad he's in smash always fun to play casually. Though competitive players want a character that can be a easy win or dominate the tournaments.
Tldr: the smash community when it comes what characters to be added to the game can be very toxic.
Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
As much as I love Banjo-Kazooie, and as I'm ecstatic as I am that they're in the game, I admit that they aren't very fun to play as.
banjo is so fun to play idc how many hate me for it
I remember when Banjo was first released. It was a big deal. And I remember we felt like he should have been in the original Smash. Like, Smash is made up of cartoony characters that were on mainly Nintendo consoles. Guess what Banjo was? XD
So yeah, I don't get the hate for Banjo.
When will penguinronpa be back it was soo good
When it's ready :]
Oh ok take ur time i was just wondering im glad ur still working with it
when it comes back the world will be rid of all demons... well most
Haha! Jokes on you, I’m already eating Mac and cheese for my meal right now. 😂😂
Well, I hate haters and what they do to banjo-kassoie It's horrible that they didn't want them to be in smash, shame on them, anyway I consider kazuya as the character I hate to control, it's difficult, I don't know how they settle The combos and I'm not a fan of tekken I'm more of a streat fight, and that Sora appeared in smash and is my favorite character to control.
Imo as a ness player banjo is one of my hardest opponents but he deserves to be in the game. I never played his game but it must’ve been good
If you ask me, all the characters (and Piranha Plant) have earned
their place as DLC in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Especially
Banjo and Kazooie.
I've literally never heard of a Smash fan hating Banjo-Kazooie tbh
OUT OF ALL THE DLC CHARACTERS BANJO AND KAZOOIE HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE ONES WHO ARENT AN S OR A TIER
the internet is the most tunnel visioning, manipulative, and dumbass place ever. take nothing on the internet seriously. the best perspective on everything is your own perspective and dont let anyone tell you otherwise
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@2:11 Isn't that true with anyone though.
From what I see, most people only hate playing against Banjo, because yeah he can be annoying. But, in general, he's seen in a very positive light. Being a zoomer myself (keep this in mind before you read this), I think these complainers on Twitter are zoomers that weren't around when the BK games were popular and don't really understand how important they are to Nintendo history. Ya know, the thing that Smash was originally created to celebrate. Banjo and Kazooie were considered important enough to be advertised on the level of Mario and Zelda back during the 64 era. These guys are important to Nintendo history. Honestly, they're a bigger part of Nintendo history than some Nintendo characters like Pit and Ness. Also, the Smash devs seem to know the difference between an "artificially popular character" through the internet and memes and such (like Waluigi) and a character who genuinely has enough popularity to warrant representation. Who do these people think is more deserving of a spot over Banjo and Kazooie? Waluigi? No. Shantae? No. Bandana Dee? No.
Tbh I think the title should’ve been “Why Do Smash Fans Dont Care about Banjo-Kazooie in smash Now?”
I main banjo in smash. Hes so fun idk why ppl dont like them
I like banjo kazooie but voted for simon belmont. Both series warms my heart. Also sakurai knows best
I personally think it’s because Banjo wasn’t Waluigi.
If people didn’t want Banjo Kazooie in Smash then why was he the 2nd most voted for character in the Smash Ballot behind Sora? Also Banjo Kazooie was just as good as Mario 64, if not better. Banjo Kazooie is my main. I have thousands of hours into just him alone. Trust me I can see how people hate fighting against my Banjo 😂 Banjo getting in was the reason i bought a Switch and Smash Ultimate
The Nintendo community always love to complaint about everything and anything, huh? Seem like instead Banjo and Kazooie they would prefer another sword guy characters or another Fire Emblem characters in Smash?😁Pretty funny that most of them claim to have a better taste than anyone else by hate Banjo-Kazooie or claim that the Nintendo Switch is the perfect console than the previous Nintendo console and Microsoft/Sony consoles despite they seem pretty brainless to forget that most of the Switch game who belong to Nintendo running with a lot of old Mario game port to the Switch with a expensive price like Paper Mario TTYD from GCN and Luigi's Mansion 2 from 3DS and somes Wii U games to the Switch and too much grab money game released every years in a Call of Duty style just for the money due to their hight popularity in Japan with too much Pokemon games, 6 Kirby games and 5 Fire Emblem games since 6 years despite we don't have any new Star Fox and Kid Icarus games since 6 years, just 2 Metroid games and no more news anymore about Metroid Prime 4, one Rom Hack about F-Zero from the SNES to the Switch with 99 players instead do a 3D modern game on the Switch, only one new Pikmin game while the 3 others was port and the Mario Kart and Donkey Kong fans never get any new fresh game on the Switch who isn't a Wii U port or a GBA remake that it made the Nintendo Switch to not have too much "various" and "new fresh" games on the Switch except somes new fresh and various games.
Just like the Pokemon community who doesn't stop complaint like a cry baby about the Pokemon new game who are bad games by claim those last games suffer somes graphics issue, story and gameplay too short and too easy and somes lags and glitch issue but still want more new game for just complaint about the same thing the next year instead complaint there is too much Pokemon games on the Switch. No longer wonder when I meet somes bad faith people from the Nintendo community who refuse to accept this or those problem who are visible because only their own point of view is better than anyone else that I don't take them in serious and that I ignore them most of the time so too bad that a good part of the Nintendo community become toxic and don't have any taste into the video game anymore because, if they claim to have a lot of taste, it would be a while I will hear them complaint about we didn't get a new Star Fox game and Kid Icarus game and that we need more news about Metroid Prime 4 while they would complaint they release too much Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Kirby games on the Switch due to their hight popularity in Japan as a grab money game instead made their game more various unless did they sold Star Fox, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Pikmin, F-Zero and somes of their others serie to others editors? I though Nintendo wasn't just Mario, Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Kirby? Did someone have lying to me?
simple reason.He has the most annoying moveset of any smash character
Samus isn’t annoying? Ness isn’t annoying? There are plenty more annoying characters
@@Chaotix_Neutral with sonic while he is annoying it always feels like sonic is just a stronger character thank Link(my main).With Banjo its the complete opposite.His moveset is terrible yet still it feels annoying.Sonic is annoying because he is hard to fight.Banjo is annoying because his moves are annoying.Banjo isnt actually good(worst allrounder in the game).He just does annoying things
tldr: smash fans hate banjo because theyre dinguses and banjo is a good character
banjo will always be my boy 💯💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm glad I don't use TwiX.
I find it very ironic how all these people are complaining about Banjo & Kazooie’s inclusion on the roster and calling then irrelevant and questioning why the hell Sakurai/Nintendo chose them are unknowingly proving the fans right in the long run. Banjo-Kazooie are irrelevant, they haven’t had a game since 2008 (said game was so disliked it basically killed the franchise), their rights holders don’t have any plans to do anything with the franchise a franchise that is only remembered by those who grew up with the games. Not to mention the fact that the franchise belongs to one of Nintendo’s direct competitors (Microsoft). So how the hell did they earn a spot on the roster? THE FANS. The only reason Banjo & Kazooie made it onto the Smash roster is because of all the fans who voted for their inclusion on the Smash Ballot. Votes that were so large in volume that Sakurai was shocked, even implying that they were very close to the top of the ballot. Nintendo wouldn’t have had any reason to work with their direct competitor to get the stars of a dead IP into Smash had it not been for the fans who came out in droves to support the bear and bird’s inclusion. Same with Sora, sure Kingdom Hearts is popular but the legal minefield Nintendo must have had to walk through to get Disney to approve him for Smash would have never been touched had it not been for the massive amount of support Sora got to send him to the top of the ballot. So when all these haters question why these old ass characters from a dead IP made it into this game they fail to realize the only reason Banjo & Kazooie are in Smash and why the bear and bird got in over their most wanted pick is a direct result of the very fans they keep shitting on, on Twitter coming out in droves to support the duo on the ballot.
Talmbout a wasted space when theres half of the roster with japanese characters lmao, sorry im an ignorant Texan I suppose
Anyone who thinks Smash is a good fit for a highly competitive game with a fully balanced roster is disillusioned and shouldn't be left anywhere near a game design job ever. Smash isn't and cannot be a fully balanced game, and that's fine. Brawlhalla or Rivals of Aether are much better examples of attempts at making a good highly-competitive smash-like game.
As for short-lived : only because of Nintendo. There was never a doubt that Nintendo killed Banjo by selling Rare. I mean, I don't think that greenlighting the third Banjo game even took a lot of effort (at least while Nintendo did own Rare) and had it been given the chance to continue alongside Nintendo, it could have become as influential and popular a mascot as Mario and Sonic themselves.
People hate these characters?
No one hates banjo.
Haters gonna hate, just like ice climbers, get over it people banjo is here now and I still like banjo and kazooie in smash bros
😢 "Promo SM"
Smash Bros player have the worst takes ever, so no wonder they hate Banjo. They need atleast 50 Swordfighter which have the same moveset in order to play good.
LMFAO GENO HATE TOO? IMAGINE GROWINP UP on Paper Mario Thoushand shit rather then Super Mario rpg. Oh the poor little children who can't appreciate a good game when they have one in their face. Geno is GOAT.
I dont hate banjoe and kazooie i just hate the playstyle
Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
They racist
Pichu does not deserve a spot. Banjo and kazooie does
Tofu isn't a smash fan. They're a liar (like Kokichi)
how dare you