Canon R5 Mark II - Sensor Issues? Dynamic Range Loss? Does it matter?

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @donk8292
    @donk8292 Месяц назад +59

    First mistake - using info from dpreview. Photons to photos has published their dynamic range info for the Canon R5 II. Along with other sites that have tested the new R5 II. Verdict? At ISO 100, the R5 II has about a third of a stop less DR, but is essentially the same from there on up. Using electronic shutter, the result is opposite, the R5 II improves the DR about a third of a stop at ISO 100 and is essentially the same after that. The slight loss of DR at base ISO is to be expected as the readout speed has increased significantly. In other words, there is no "issue" with the R5 mark II sensor. It's DR results are virtually identical to the Sony A1, better than the Sony A9 III at base ISO (which is ISO 200), a very minor degree better than the Nikon Z9 and Z8. Of course, I understand the nature of the headlines needed to generate clicks on RUclips, but unfortunately, many folks will see your video headline on RUclips, won't watch the video, but then will report on other social media sites how there is a problem or an issue with the new Canon R5 II. So, let the Canon bashing begin.

    • @T_157-40
      @T_157-40 Месяц назад

      Thank you!

    • @paulanthony1689
      @paulanthony1689 Месяц назад +4

      Well said. If you need more than 12 stops of DR you probably shouldn't be taking photos.

    • @kennethlui2268
      @kennethlui2268 Месяц назад +4

      Agree 100%. Click bait is always negative. People who don’t take pictures talk about issues in an AC controlled nice room. People who don’t nitpick are out there taking pictures in harsh environments.

    • @fintanmctiernan8284
      @fintanmctiernan8284 Месяц назад

      Well said. Thank you.

    • @vivalasvegas702
      @vivalasvegas702 Месяц назад +1

      He’s still a newborn, in interpreting data.

  • @dominiqueschenck430
    @dominiqueschenck430 Месяц назад +16

    The focus on negativity against Canon is unbelievable in the community. This is obviously designed to harm the sales of the new models. To be clear there is zero “issue” with the Canon sensor as in engineering or design or technological issue. To put it simply, the performance of the R5m2 is way superior or in line with comparable and more expensive models by Sony and Nikon. This is the only message that should be in the title of the video. All of this is proven by Photons to Photos’ article on the topic, which obviously is not mentioned here although it was published way before the video date. This hostility against Canon only reinforces my 30 years old trust in the Canon brand.

    • @kernzilla
      @kernzilla Месяц назад +1

      esp on a camera that doesn't exist in the real world yet. this channel seems to be thirsty for clicks tbh

    • @poolpool64
      @poolpool64 Месяц назад +1

      Canon fan boy?

    • @contentm3893
      @contentm3893 26 дней назад +1

      Yup. These RUclipsrs are just sheep and get negative towards Canon. Sony and Nikon and Lumix all get a pass. Real world footage shows the R5II is impressive.

  • @TheChadWork2001
    @TheChadWork2001 Месяц назад +5

    It has the same sensor, but it’s radically different. That’s a contradiction.

  • @jimbruton9482
    @jimbruton9482 Месяц назад +11

    If you compare the $4300 MSRP of the R5 II vs the $3000 price (B&H) for the R5 I, the R5 I value is much greater. The incremental improvements in the R5 II are almost exclusively for video, not stills, so if you're into video fine, go for it, spend the extra $1300. For primarily still shooters, the original R5 I is just as good, maybe better in terms of dynamic range and noise, according to DpReview

    • @JBlakePhoto
      @JBlakePhoto  Месяц назад +2

      Agreed, which is why I just bought one for $2200.

    • @JohnSwen-p6b
      @JohnSwen-p6b Месяц назад +11

      For still photographers you should consider the following improvements:
      1) significantly faster readout speed for less rolling shutter artifacts
      2) next generation AF system 95% the same as the R1
      3) RAW precapture
      4) faster fps from 20 to 30 fps
      5) the ability to set the maximum fps
      6) blackout free evf
      7) metering divided into 6144 blocks vs 384 for more precise exposure metering
      8) 1/32000 sec fastest shutter speed
      9) eye control AF
      10) full 14 bit RAW at 30 fps. No more 12 bit RAW files.
      While any single feature is incremental, taken as a whole this is a significant upgrade.

    • @jimbruton9482
      @jimbruton9482 Месяц назад +1

      @@JohnSwen-p6b like I said, if you're into video pay the extra $1300 or more. For stills, no it's not worth the premium price.

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@JohnSwen-p6ball of this primarily matters to one subset of stills photography: action. If you aren't into action photography or video, this arguably is an outright worse camera than the Mk1.

    • @SteveSSBB
      @SteveSSBB Месяц назад

      @@JohnSwen-p6b And let's not forget the ability to focus stack with flash for us macro guys. This is huge.

  • @rajlovinglife
    @rajlovinglife 12 дней назад

    yup you said it is more to do with lighting at play..... to control your light and lighting conditions for those whom photography matters important details and conversation starts from 10:30 onwards ....nice to see👍

  • @normansuchorzewski1026
    @normansuchorzewski1026 Месяц назад +10

    Spot on - Totally explained the issue that isn't one. Thanks for this.

    • @kernzilla
      @kernzilla Месяц назад

      this is a weird channel in that regard for sure...

  • @nunoparedes2341
    @nunoparedes2341 20 дней назад

    great video. really useful and direct to the point!

  • @kellyr2681
    @kellyr2681 Месяц назад +3

    I have been waiting for the R5ii as an upgrade from my Lumix S5, but after seeing the.video specs and a few other things, l went with the Z8.

  • @runcmd1419
    @runcmd1419 9 дней назад

    I often do not give a duck about shadow detail. Reject HDR, embrace chiaroscuro.

  • @wadesweeney2200
    @wadesweeney2200 Месяц назад +1

    The r3 was canons first back side illuminated stacked sensor not the r5ii.
    The r3 doesn’t have any issues.
    DP review take with a grain of salt what they say.

  • @kernzilla
    @kernzilla Месяц назад +2

    over-analysis of a camera that doesn't exist yet, based on a 3rd party article, doesn't really make a lot of sense - though i suppose its good for clicks? feel like you being landscape photog, you're going to be bracketing most anything you shoot? 1/2 stop at iso100 not impactful and not sure i see the relevance 🤷‍♂ also did you negate the point of this entire video @ 12:15?
    sidenote: folks wouldn't throw the clickbait phrase out there if the content relevant/informative vs speculation & oddly-derived conclusions. not to be taken as a bash but observation: when a creator uploads something that's not overly relevant, it comes off as a clear indication that the creator is willing to waste the viewers time. I don't think this is widely understood on YT 🤷‍♂ value your viewers, and can tell you they'll have a higher respect for the channel m8

  • @fintanmctiernan8284
    @fintanmctiernan8284 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for the video. The information you provide may be of use to someone. I’m looking forward to getting the R52 on Tuesday and I couldn’t care less about what you are talking about. Far too much info and you guys just seem to love talking about this kind of stuff.

  • @StevenHoagland
    @StevenHoagland Месяц назад +3

    Your overall points are spot on. But, take a look at Photons to Photos for the DR tests. DPReview has historically been biased. On Photons to Photos, R5II beats the Nikon Z8 up to ISO 800, and the same thereafter.

    • @bailey.nt86
      @bailey.nt86 Месяц назад

      I literally just looked. You have the cameras mixed up. Go look again. The Z8 is better at every stop.

    • @StevenHoagland
      @StevenHoagland Месяц назад

      @@bailey.nt86Actually no. The R5II beats the Z8 from ISO 50 on up when in mechanical shutter and still beats it from ISO 100 on up in electronic shutter. Look at the comparison chart.

  • @paulanthony1689
    @paulanthony1689 Месяц назад +3

    Well explained. Ha, you know no matter what, whenever there is a Canon release people start complaining about something. R5 2 is awesome.

  • @jklbd4815
    @jklbd4815 Месяц назад +1

    It is not really blazing fast but it is fast enough for general needs but not for fast moving cars, bikes or flying birds you'll still get the jello effect though much less than the original R5, it is 1/125 of a second in 14" bit UC RAW.

    • @rajlovinglife
      @rajlovinglife 12 дней назад

      thanks to the bsi stacked sensor on the r5ii to reduce rolling shutter effect.......

  • @dscottstoness2436
    @dscottstoness2436 Месяц назад

    It does not matter because at studio or landscape (iso100 1/3 stop down from R5) you can control the light (lighting or AEB/Blend) and for wildlife /action you will always be at greater than iso600 where R5ii and R5 are the same performance. The only time you might notice is in very bright light with sun, when you really need to push the darks at ISO 100. And it's only 1/3 stop. Updated Adobe enhance (denoise) and tuned raw converters will offset the effect. Eg its in the rounding, and your usage nuances will overwhelm the gap.

  • @goldenstasgs
    @goldenstasgs 22 дня назад

    Compare dynamic range r5 mark 2 to Nikon z8/z9. In every iso position z8/9 has lower dynamic range.

  • @camerasutra247
    @camerasutra247 Месяц назад +11

    DP review our attention seekers. Put on the photo already put out the actual sensor test not some bullshit cooked up nonsense or you take a sensor and go under exposed and see what you can recover. Actually the dynamic range of the new camera is better than the Nikon Z8 and Z9 along with the six mark three that just came out. Also, you’re getting close to dynamic range out of this camera being a stacked sensor. Anyways, I’m sure you’ll get to views that you’re seeking out of this video but as far a problem, the problem is people that jumped the gun without the camera, officially being out and truly being tested by people that know how to test them. Photons to photos it’s actually run by one of the guys from Harvard University highly educated and they really know what they’re doing. Good luck thanks for the Video

    • @livejames9374
      @livejames9374 Месяц назад +1

      Only thing that’s cooked are canon raw files with noise reduction to artificially boost dynamic range.

    • @RayValdezPhotography
      @RayValdezPhotography Месяц назад +2

      @@livejames9374 that was the theory with the R3. It beats out all full frame I think or at the time of release it did. People want to shit on Canon so badly though and ride Sony's bandwagon. All the high end FF cameras really do prefer damn near the same in image quality for the last 4 years. The arguments and hate are stupid if when people talk about photography DR. Video and low light is where the battle is right now.

  • @altonmarsh
    @altonmarsh Месяц назад

    Good for you. A hater landed hard on Rob Adams, half of the Rob Adams/Venessa Joy (Canon Explorer of Light) team for saying it doesn’t matter, no one is going to notice. He then landed on me for pointing out Adams is a commercial videographer who has numerous corporate clients in addition to producing video for his wife’s wedding business.
    By the way, on another issue, I noticed something strange with my R5 when shooting electronically at 20 FPS. I can scroll quickly through the shots on the back of my R5 and see distortion reshaping objects in the image. It isn’t that I moved the camera because how far can you move it in one second when using image stabilization and IBIS? I suspect I am seeing sensor shift from IBIS to stabilize the scene, or maybe both camera and lens stabilization, as the culprit.

  • @denyamiga
    @denyamiga Месяц назад +24

    I don't understand why there are so many Canon haters in the vlogging world.

    • @janplexy
      @janplexy Месяц назад +8

      Because they spent $$$ on Sony and Nikon and now they have a bitter taste in mouth.

    • @jamesburne3893
      @jamesburne3893 Месяц назад +5

      They never used a camera in a professional environment therefore they do not appreciate how solid a Canon is when your wages rely on it.

    • @lbeetech
      @lbeetech Месяц назад +4

      They can't afford the gear for one and Sony pays them to use their cameras.

    • @JojoJoget
      @JojoJoget Месяц назад

      @@jamesburne3893 Actually they are all reliable in a professional setting, sounds like projection here, a professional would know his tool’s limitations.

    • @jamesburne3893
      @jamesburne3893 Месяц назад

      @@JojoJoget I’m talking about the people who use the cameras not the camera itself…

  • @itaylorm
    @itaylorm Месяц назад

    Excellent detail. Still have the camera on order and good to know for when to use my Mark 1 and when to use my Mark II (When it arrives)

    • @donk8292
      @donk8292 Месяц назад

      There will be absolutely no reason not to use the R5 mark II when it arrives. results with the 2 cameras will be identical to the human eye.

  • @R0dan
    @R0dan Месяц назад

    Very good explanation 👍👍

  • @mwran
    @mwran Месяц назад +3

    Photons to photos has R5 Mark II dynamic range tests posted

    • @mbismbismb
      @mbismbismb Месяц назад

      And its on par with the sony A1

    • @RayValdezPhotography
      @RayValdezPhotography Месяц назад

      people are freaking out over a few specs of grain. You can still get an old R5 and be fine. If you want something on another level get Medium format, even that wont really make a huge difference in the end result

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@RayValdezPhotographytbh YT is weird with links but go compare for yourself the ISO 6400 or 12800 results on the DPReview studio scene (option checked) and put the R5ii up against the Z8, original R6, and a7R V. Make sure to compare RAW to RAW. Find a nice shadow area of the black mat. The R5ii has clearly the worst noise result of the bunch, even compared to the 61MP a7R! It's a bit damning to be totally honest.

    • @RayValdezPhotography
      @RayValdezPhotography Месяц назад +1

      @@JMurph2015 12800 isn't an ideal iso. you can just use noise reduction or AI noise reduction. I don't think any camera tries to sell you on isos after 6400 except sports cameras. I saw some zoomed in images on DPreview it's not a big deal. I am more concerned about details and color over noise when the iso goes up.

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 Месяц назад +1

      @@RayValdezPhotography it's present at lower ISOs obviously, but not as apparent. I'd also argue that ISO 6400 does matter. If you're shooting an event like a wedding and can't use flash in that moment, then your ISO is going to likely be around 6400 with a high end f/2.8 zoom. Also, the whole selling point of being "only 45MP" is that it should have better high ISO noise performance. But it doesn't.

  • @wadesweeney2200
    @wadesweeney2200 Месяц назад

    I continue to say the Sony trolls made it popular to hate on canon.
    Doesn’t matter what they do they will trash it.

  • @AbdurahmanMabrook
    @AbdurahmanMabrook 29 дней назад

    No my heart cant take this

  • @goldenstasgs
    @goldenstasgs Месяц назад

    You forgot to mention that dpreview was talking only about electronic shutter. But even in it Z9/8 has less dynamic range than r5/r5m2, z7, d850. It’s because of only electronic shutter with huge sensor speed. Why dpreview did not mention this? Why they did not compère dynamic range of r5m2 with z8? But canon r5m2 HAS mechanical shutter with no dynamic range decreasing but z8/z9 don’t. It’s fail for Nikon.

  • @shueibdahir
    @shueibdahir Месяц назад

    To understand "dual native iso" best, a technology Sony licensed from Aptina, read the paper on optimising inter-scene dynamic range Aptina provided. There's lots of misconceptions and misinformation on the technology

  • @bkhopeproduction8325
    @bkhopeproduction8325 Месяц назад

    Failed when u say 30 MP with confidence for R1

  • @BrianHallmond
    @BrianHallmond Месяц назад

    Good video thanks for the info mate! Hope RUclips makes you richer for your kids haha

  • @T_157-40
    @T_157-40 Месяц назад

    Can a software update correct these issues?
    Does the R1 have any issues?
    I can buy either camera.

    • @andreasfriedl9858
      @andreasfriedl9858 28 дней назад

      There are no issues with the R5ii (as far as we know). The R1 and the R5ii target different use cases. The R1 is a much more specialized camera (high speed, super rugged etc).

  • @locker1964
    @locker1964 Месяц назад

    The entire series of measurements only have academic value. In practice, this hardly plays a role. In bird photography, smaller objects - high ISO values due to the very fast shutter speeds - are offset by improved autofocus. I dare to doubt whether the R5II is really worse overall. The only point of criticism for me would be the readout speed of the sensor, I would at least have expected it to be on a par with the Z8, but as I said, I'm complaining at a high level.

  • @thelookoflifefilms
    @thelookoflifefilms Месяц назад

    Great insight!1

  • @JojoJoget
    @JojoJoget Месяц назад

    They say the same thing about the A9iii, which is true to an extent but for the A9iii’s use case, which is likely to be iso 800 and above, they are all the same.

  • @denisbellerose273
    @denisbellerose273 Месяц назад +1

    Enfin quelqu'un qui met de l'ordre dans tous ces commentaires de plage dynamique. J'ai déjà le Canon R5 et j'aurai le R5 mk2 mardi le 20 août, je serai en mesure de comparer sur le terrain. Car oui, c'est pas des cibles de test que je photographie mais bien des sujets en mouvement qui génère une émotion ! Combien de gens parle encore de la surchauffe du R5 quand celui-ci n'est plus un problème depuis l'ajout du firmware 1,6 le R5 originale avec tous les corrections de firmware est bien meilleur que lors de sa sortie en juillet 2020 mais ça pratiquement personne ne le mentionne et reste accrocher aux premiers commentaires de la surchauffe.

  • @paullanoue5228
    @paullanoue5228 Месяц назад

    You want see how a camera works take into the real world and make images with it. Then process the image as you normally would. Then make a 16x20 or larger print. Put it on a table under 5000 kelvin light. View it from the appropriate distance for it’s size. Let the image speak for the camera. Don’t waste your time looking at a file at 400%. No one looks at images under a magnifying glass. If you don’t see any noise at 100% you’re good.

  • @f1joeh
    @f1joeh Месяц назад

    Noise is a lack of information, right? 🧐

  • @brianbrooking496
    @brianbrooking496 Месяц назад

    When you watch someone who doesn’t understand what they are saying, it is all in their eyes in the first 3 mins. Looks a bit like when you have asked your kid if they tidied their room. No wonder so many cuts and edits…. Like a bad salesperson… reporting on a report that he had no part of. RUclips is full of these guys, 10 a penny.

  • @bachmannmanuel1562
    @bachmannmanuel1562 Месяц назад

    no click-bait comment.. xD

  • @dushyantbhatt9345
    @dushyantbhatt9345 Месяц назад

    All bsi sensors needs to be shot above 800iso isn’t that common ?? 😂

  • @lbeetech
    @lbeetech Месяц назад

    So what you are saying is that you will have to know how to take pictures with the camera that you have.

  • @JMurph2015
    @JMurph2015 Месяц назад

    Listen this was a 13:00 video to say 1 minute worth of content from other sources, which is the R5ii sensor has slightly worse IQ than the Mk 1 in exchange for readout speed. That said, these comments complaining about the "Canon hate" are so delusional. The numbers are the numbers, get over it. Canon doesnt have to have the biggest numbers to make a great camera, but it wouldn't hurt.

  • @fredlar9421
    @fredlar9421 Месяц назад

    And don't leave humming behind

  • @deanjohnson6082
    @deanjohnson6082 Месяц назад +1

    I canceled the 2 R5 mk2s I ordered 1 hour after launch about a week ago. The DPreview comparisons to the original R5 showed the mk2 has gone backwards in detail and iso. It didnt help that 4k60 and 4k120 use line skipping. Im now waiting on the A1 mk2 and a possible R1X if its real.

  • @shawnlabranche6852
    @shawnlabranche6852 Месяц назад +1

    Other channels love to bring negativity on Canon. Certain reviewers and sites I stopped watching their reviews because of this. When they can find any bad to say, they will make the smallest thing into a big issue, but you wont see them blow things up about other brands smh. I like what you said in your video, it doesnt matter. Just go out and shoot. Thank you!!!

    • @mbismbismb
      @mbismbismb Месяц назад +1

      I gave them thumbs down and never ever subscribe to their channels

  • @GabrielScindian
    @GabrielScindian Месяц назад

    Switch to Mechanical Shutter to keep your dynamic range high.

    • @kernzilla
      @kernzilla Месяц назад

      want to say I read somewhere the R5II keeping same bitrate for elec vs mech?

    • @markrigg6623
      @markrigg6623 Месяц назад

      Look at what's happened to the human race. The world's going down the gurgler and here we are obsessed with stuff like this.

    • @GabrielScindian
      @GabrielScindian Месяц назад

      @@markrigg6623 the world may be going down in flames around you as it has done in the past year after year president after president that doesn’t mean stop enjoying yourself

    • @markrigg6623
      @markrigg6623 Месяц назад +1

      @@GabrielScindian Absolutely.

  • @nevvanclarke9225
    @nevvanclarke9225 Месяц назад

    It really matters if you're a landscape photographer and I certainly wouldn't be buying this camera for landscape photography and I've made that really clear on several pages. This is a sports wildlife and general camera. It is not for landscape photographers. If you are a landscape photographer I would not be buying this camera especially when there are many better options available like the Z8 or GFX cameras which have far better dynamic range. It's really disappointing and I know there is a trade-off with frames per second and stat senses. You are going to lose dynamic range but maybe they should've made two models one for the landscape guys how many people are into landscape photography? there are lots who are in deeply in the cannon ecosystem yet they've been let down. Also the flip out screen is another turn off for landscape photography again I would argue they should make two models one with the flip and one with the tilt down screen and the one with the tilt down screen could have a normal sensor not the stacked sensor. And you don't need those frames per second to shoot sports. Honestly you could shoot sport with 10 frames a second we've been led into this hysteria that we need 25 frames a second to shoot sports. It's ridiculous. We do not a skilful photographer like myself used to shoot sports on film cameras and I was quite happy shooting sports and eight frames a second this is ridiculous. With all due respect people don't want to get into bracketing they don't they hate it. It's why I'm over at GFX shooting landscape photography because the dynamic range is amazing plus the image quality is far beyond anything that canon or Nikon can deliver but I just really feel they let the landscape Community down with this camera. THE FLIP out sideways screen SUCKS for landscapes photographers. I do think it's a great camera and sorry for my big long message but I do think it's a valid point for landscape photography and I'm purely talking about landscape. Nothing else you do lose detail even though you save it with. de noise

  • @davehenson5390
    @davehenson5390 Месяц назад

    13 minute video and 8minutesbefore you even start to talk about useability. But....why are you spending so much effort talking about a third stop difference? If you are that bothered about noise, then all that time you have spent creating the image is wasted.

  • @dushyantbhatt9345
    @dushyantbhatt9345 Месяц назад

    Doesn’t back side illuminated sensor haves issue with dynamic range issues in stills, regardless of weather it’s canon or other manufacturers ?? 😂😂

  • @K9malinois_dog_love
    @K9malinois_dog_love Месяц назад

    Tech nerd speculating😂😂😂

  • @StarLightDotPhotos
    @StarLightDotPhotos Месяц назад

    Hey speaking of "Lasers." I shot this video for the local historical society and this dude's laser pointer made a dead pixel through the whole video, but it's not showing up on photos or videos since then. Any clue why? ruclips.net/video/I-Fbo0ma5-o/видео.html

  • @cristirenault
    @cristirenault Месяц назад

    You still don't have the camera, but talking a lot of things about it. Nice, very nice. Not. Get the camera, test it, see how it is and after that you can talk this or that. I am not mean, but I am really sick about people talking things for the sake to make a new video and gather views.

    • @paulanthony1689
      @paulanthony1689 Месяц назад +1

      He is explaining the testing results to the masses. You don't need the camera to do that

    • @cristirenault
      @cristirenault Месяц назад

      @@paulanthony1689 Why do you need somebody to explain to you some testing results? What is that hard to understand?