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Whenever i want to apply the 3 month detailing product, I repaint my car first in an air sealed room and put 5 inches of top coat on top of my regular top coat.
You want to know how to keep lightly soiled cars clean between wash or when you drive to a show? It's called Rinse less Wash. Perhaps you have heard of it. It comes in a foam version now too (AmmoNYC Sells a product).
100% agree with you, it's really common sense, too... Without rinsing off the dirt/ sand/ etc on the car, we're always going to rub that crap against the car during "quick detailing". I only reserve use of detailers only after car wash and also to clean off bird poop/ bugs (after letting it sit for a few minutes then a gentle one direction wipe on my matte car)
Thanks Todd for breaking the myth that you can use Detail Sprays in between washes or to remove light dust from the paint surface. In all the videos that I have seen, you are the only person that has said not to use a detailing spray in between washes. Use it after the car has been washed as a drying aid or after the car has been dried.
Yup! Finally some real info!! NOTHING beats water and soap! I clean my car once a week and been doing so for 13 years. The only marks it has are stone chips and an occasional scratch which are all what I like to call "battle scars" I use QED only after a wash and have it in the back of my car to remove bird poo, but then I saturate it A LOT more than required. Bird poo is much more dangerous than a few swirls! Ask me how I know 😓 😄
not trying to be smart but from your experiences and knowledge what are the dangers of leaving bird poo on your vehicles paint for too long? is it something that can be removed with a detail product such as a “water spot remover” or something similar? or would that had to have been polished or corrected from the paint?
@@Takewifeznlifez bird poo can go thru the clearcoat and even the paint itself, I've had that happen to a car I owned and since then never let it sit there for days. It literally needed to be repainted to fix it
I use quick detailer on my motorcycle because I don't like hosing it down on the regular. Water gets places where it should't be and I end up with corrosion in hard to reach places. I polish the tank and the fenders with some compound every couple years and it very easily removes the light scratches. Overall I think this method keeps the bike looking fresher than if I washed it all the time.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! Finally! Someone that tells it like it is! I tell people to leave their cars DIRTY! The look they give me is like I am stupid. I use Polish Angel High Gloss as my QD and LOVE IT! It's pricey but worth it! KEEP ON ROCKING!
At last, I found a video with the same thought as mine... Quik Detailer still has big risk of scratching the paint.. there's still dirt particles that dragged by the microfiber towel accross the surface although it has detailer lubrication with it. I usually use QD after a wash to touch up the gloss and protection. I always have a bottle of QD stand by in my car to be able to clean something quikly such as bird poo, tree sap for spot cleaning, but not a full car or a panel cleaning though..
Thanks again Todd for another informative video. Using a spray detailer on an unwashed car is the same as using one of those car dusters, where you run the car duster over the dirt and spread the dirt over your paint.
I use quick detailer spray from Griot’s & Meguiar’s ... same deal here. I don’t use the sprays if my vehicles have been sitting for a while, because you can literally hear the dust, pollen, & grime being scraped across the paint ... big NO NO!
I’m not trying to win 1st place at a car show with my Daly driver, but it stays outside and every morning it’s soaking wet from the morning dew, I just rinse, drive to work, do a quick wipe down with quick detailer and it looks great! No swirls or scratches, I flip the rag a lot and shake it off constantly. Yes I’m the crazy guy who keeps his truck super clean, that everyone either complements or ridiculed for how clean and shiny it is Lol.
I’m no professional car cleaner or detailer, but I’ve always done exactly this, wash properly first with a decent car shampoo, rinse, dry, and then use a detailer spray👍🏻
I carry 8 clean edgeless plush towels in a closed container, 3 waffle weave towels in another container, 1 55oz pump sprayer with DI water, ONR and 3D Bead it up and another container for the dirty towels in the trunk. I always do a waterless wash every Friday after work. While not the same as a quick detailer but ONR used correctly with proper technique can be done when you arrive to the show. When I go mountain biking I bring my dewalt power cleaner and syphon water from a gallon of water to remove the heavy dirt and then finish with ONR wash 👍
@@mikeytek We are educating the masses, and informing them of the realities of detailing and detailing products. Even as a detailer, I want nothing to do with an overly involved process. Give me a pressure washer and a 2-bucket method all day!
@@Esotericdetail what's so overly involved? Once again I am able to do this outside every Friday at my jobs parking lot. Head over to local car meet right after. Pressure washing and 2 bucket method at the car show or after work is not necessarily doable. 🤷
@@mikeytek We don't do "rinseless washes". There's simply nothing as safe as a traditional wash. I've seen many versions of how to "safely" use rinseless wash, and they all have strayed well away from the actual instructions and end up being nothing more than a soap once all of the convoluted processes are added. Using tons of towels, pre-mixing solutions, etc. to me just isn't worth the risk. I'd much rather go to a car gathering with a dusty car in perfect condition than a dust-free car with swirls.
I used a quick detailer two times last year. It left my car looking nice but once the shine was minimized over time, the bran new light swirls began to look obvious. That was it for me, never doing that “in between washes” again. Even if my car looks pretty clean but has some light dust after use for a few days, used two dozen clean micro fiber towels…it still left swirl marks
Thanks for sharing your experience with everyone! Unfortunately most people don't see the swirls...they only see clean or dirty. I go to car shows all of the time and see people grinding away on the paint with quick detailers, and they don't even realize that they have swirls.
Great video Todd. I cringe when I go to car shows and see the towel in the trunk (most of the time dirty) and the quick detailer come out. I leave the layer of dust on mine until the next contact wash. Sometimes I get laughed at for not wiping mine down! Lol
Totally agreed with your explanation in using quick spray detailer after a car washed👍🏻 , as not in those other video said directly spray, wipe and clean.
A good tip is to detail the inner wheel wells first (the dirtier the better) .This primes the microfiber towel with some dirt so that the dust will attract to it when you go to wipe your paint. Number one mistake is people using clean cloths without priming first.
Todd, sorry for resurrecting an old video commentary, and I’m sure you’ve forgotten more about detailing than I’ll ever know but, my experience of rinse-less systems (ONR) is absolutely at odds with your advice that between wash touch-ups introduces swirls etc. I use ONR on a carbon black (midnight blue) BMW and an Orca black Audi and I’ve looked at the paint under a sunmatch 3 lamp and a flex dwl2500 light pre / post using ONR and it didn’t introduce swirls…..I also checked with optimum whether there were any fillers in ONR (there aren’t)…..maybe you could do a panel test video sometime so that you could validate whether swirls are/aren’t introduced. Obviously, I’m talking about a dusty rather than dirty car and Optimum claim that encapsulation is a primary reason why the paint doesn’t swirl…..would be great to see the results in a controlled environment. 👍
Light marring that builds up over time cannot be captured on camera or video, so it's really pointless to try to do a video just for that. You also have to look at the educational aspect from the fact that we are talking to the general public, and the masses. Imagine somebody who is not a detailing enthusiast (the majority of society) grabbing a bottle, reading that it won't scratch the finish, then going to town on their car only to scratch it up. If you personally can do a technique that works well, then good for you, and keep doing it. But we don't use it here in the shop or on our personal cars because we simply don't want to risk it. If the car needs to be cleaned, we wash them...
@@Esotericdetail Thanks for the reply. I Hadn’t taken on board the general public aspect…..recently watched a detailing video of a guy who had dropped off his Aston DB11 for a new car detail….it had rained so he thought he’d wipe it down with an old dry chamois prior to dropping the car off…..the detail became a multi-stage paint correction booking 😂😂. Thanks for the channel and videos Todd….they’re great…..and I know you’re one of the best facilities in the US (I’m UK based). I often see very positive comments about the quality of your work on the Porsche Rennlist site 👍
@@alexs8312 We don't use them on our personal cars, either...we wait until the next time to wash. It's our responsibility as educators to let them know the truth behind products and processes, regardless of their level of enthusiasm for it. The biggest culprits of this are those who actually are enthusiasts...just go to the car shows and see. You don't have to make the paint on a daily driver an obsession, and that's where many people have the wrong mindset about detailing and protection. You CAN have a highly detailed vehicle that is a daily driver. All is requires is the know-how of a proper wash system, and not making mistakes like stated in this video. Then you get the pride of ownership throughout the entire process without having to go crazy with the car, and you can still hold the higher value.
Those sprays actually work really well if use u use it correctly as u said. And work even better if u use only the amount needed. In some cases I won’t even have to go behind with a clean, dry towel.
This man speaks the truth but I really don’t care . I’m an avid detail waterless quick fix car enthusiast and constantly get compliments on my 20 yr old Tahoe’s paint ,shine and overall appearance ! Coworkers and strangers alike are always asking how I manage to keep my old truck looking better and newer than the most current year models ! I mean sure there’s superficial swirls and a few imperfections but hardly noticeable to the average 85/90 % of the people I come in contact with and I’m ok with that!
I knew about this before already because of my old car. I clean it before washing just to make it clean all week. I realized that the swirls probably coming from the dirt when wiping it off with a towel. Now I leave my car all dirty without wiping it off until the next car wash. It looks clean looking without a swirls. Also for a quick wash, Go to a touchless carwash.
I use my quick detailer right after it rains. I spray it right on the wet paint and clean it with a clean microfiber towel and then dry it with a clean microfiber towel. It always comes out great. A lot of gloss and slickness.
I'm so glad someone finally made this point! Thank you for the video man. Quick question though. Do you think it's necessary to have both a quick detailer and a spray on sealant in my arsenal? Don't they both perform the same roles?
Glad you liked it. Yes, I think you should have both. Some are going to be just basic maintenance where you'd use a QD, and some are going to be adding protection with a sealant.
Great info. I was damn sure following the instructions on the back of the bottle. Thanks for the tip man. From now on I will use after washing and drying.
I agree, however, you may be able to clean a car using a waterless wash like Adams waterless wash and detailer or AMMO NYC. Just spray and remove the dust with ONLY one wipe using the JUST the clean side of a waffle weave microfiber towel and not reusing it until the whole car is done. I use a total of 3 to 4 rags and wash them in the washing machine every time after use. I only do this when I drive the car for less than 100 miles and is just a bit dusty. With black paint, is inevitable creating small scratches to it but swirl marks will never be created if doing it correctly. For scratch free surface, is always good to do a full paint correction and ceramic coat or sealant even if the car is brand new.
No matter how clean your towel is or how thick the suds are, if you drag contaminants like dust and little sand particles you ARE going to scratch your paint. It might be minor but it will scratch.
I spray the quick detailer with wax before I wash in the areas where water spots are prone to collect. This prevents the water from collecting on those areas so Im usually more relaxed during my washes.
In my view, wash your car. Once a year, iron spray, tar spray, and clay, or do that every every 2 years. Then light wash car again. Apply a good sealant or do a paint polish + sealant. Then apply a newgen ceramic spray coating. Then apply a 2nd ceramic spray coating next day. It’s 1/2 day’s work, but paint is fully protected. The afterwards, wash car as you like. Every 3 months, do a really thorough wash, and every 6 months do sealant + spray coat. Quick detailing isn’t necessary.
Two questions: What about cars with paint protection film? And if you have a ceramic coating on top of it? Would this be okay to use the quick detailer the "wrong" way as you describe here? 2nd question: Where do you buy nice microfiber towels like that? All I seem to find are glorified polyester napkins.
I literally live in a desert, sand particles get carried by the wind which makes it impossible to not scratch your vehicle even if you just finished washing the car. I try my best to avoid swirl marks caused by the sand particles, but whatever i do to limit the swirls nothing actually works, besides working indoor which is impossible for me to do.
@@pullingthestrings5233 I'd question the validity of that one, especially when people simply throw them into the trunk of their cars after repeated use.
@@bobsmithinson2050 They have a parafin wax in them, so everything sticks to it...including the stuff you're trying to remove from the surface. So then it just builds up and becomes abrasive.
I polish my car twice a year so I'm not too worried about ultra fine scratches that occur from using a quick detailer. This dude is 100% correct though.. This will leave scratches.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in the quick detailer debate. Great products but they have to be used when appropriate and not as a substitute for a 2 bucket wash.
as you say too many people do use it inbetween washes, I think the only time its ok is if your car has PPF on it. and even, only if its a little dust or dirt
Thanks. Great info, exactly what I was looking for. Got one M tech detailer from Canadian Tire today and was almost going to spray it on my dirty car and start wiping, but good thing the very first video I saw on google is a clear instruction video on how to use the Instant Detailer. One question: so wash the car, dry the car completely before applying detailer or is it okay if there is bit of water on the car from the wash.
@@Esotericdetail I unsubscribed to the many RUclips channels who swear by The Garry Dean Method. I used to follow The Garry Dean Method to the letter. It's a filthy process that turned my fingernails black. Every week I would fill the washbin with 30 damp, gritty, filthy microfibres and the Mrs goes ballistic! Was I doing something incorrectly? Anyway, since subscribing to Esoteric, I've been using the 2 bucket wash method. I've just seen the latest Esoteric video with the wrapped satin blue MB AMG. Great step-by-step reference showing how to have fun washing the car in complete safety.
@@owensteele1274 Thank you for the great reply! We don't believe in creating overly convoluted and complicated processes just to make ourselves look "knowledgeable". Keep it simple, do it based off of thousands of hours of research and practice, and enjoy your car! If you don't mind, please be sure to share that same comment on our wash-at-home video featuring the AMG.
I don't wash my cars using the traditional method such as a wash bucket with soap. One car is always garaged and when it gets dusty I use Griots speed shine to wipe it down. My truck is always parked outside and when i want to clean that i use Griots spray and wash. If either the truck or my car gets dirty from driving in the rain, I just hose it off and then use the spray and wash. I never use soap on my vehicles and I have no streaks or swirl marks.
How to use detailers: 1. Prewash 2. Snow foam wash 3. Post wash with 12 bucket system and 5 grit guards. Water PH must be 6.12. total water TDS must be 12ppm. Water temp must be 35 deg C. Car must point west for even drying. 4. Apply After wash wax as rinse 5. Dry with microfiber use 1 cloth per panel with approximately 0.0045 psi of pressure. 6. Then you can apply detailer That easy. Life shouldn't be hard.
I just grab a bucket of distilled water and towel and wash off the freeway dust/dirt. Soap if its too bad. That constitutes as a wash. Anything you want, you have to work for it. I try to keep my car pretty so that I don't focus on speed. M3 driver. The E350 is just an angel though.
I have only used these to my wheels for minor buff between washes and to door jams, etc. I have finally come to peace to the feeling that my car is going to have dust spots between washes and that's it.
I just use the Lucas spray detailed cause you can use it wet just for lubricant while I am drying the vehicle works amazing even on glass. Is just mist the micro fiber towel. But like he said I never use it to wipe down a dusty car. Only as I am drying it. I don’t rely on it to protect it. I just use it to aid in not scratching the vehicle while drying
Those who condone "waterless washes" or QD's in-between simply don't look at paint as closely, or as critically as we do and are often clueless as to what it's doing over time. As a reseller of products, we should be awarded some kind of medal for actually telling people NOT to buy products! :). That's also a big difference in that we are first and foremost detailers who actually work on cars every single day as opposed to just being a reseller who pushes as many products as possible.
I think there's some confusion between a quick detailer and a rinseless wash. I use 1 gallon of optimum no rinse wash and wax to do my usual wash: half a gallon in a garden sprayer to pre-soak each panel, the other half gallon to soak 500gsm microfibers, 1 per panel. Each folded side of each microfiber makes only 1 pass on a pre-soaked panel, then a waffle weave microfiber to dry. Far less swirls than I ever had with the two bucket method, less water wasted, and no need to have access to water or drag out the hose.
Very few people will go to that kind of effort to wash a car, simply to have it called "rinseless". If it works for you, great. But it's not something for the masses to say the least. We literally wash thousands of cars per year here, all with a 2-bucket method...no issues whatsoever.
@@Esotericdetail You greatly overestimate the effort involved, obviously no experience in washing cars 😉. Jk, I know your method is fine and don't intend to suggest otherwise. There could be methods you've never tried that have valid use cases, too.
ESOTERIC I can’t see how the dirt can settle to the bottom before the mitt is dunked again but to be fair, the most important thing is how well the car/truck is pre washed
Im a UK pro detailer. My work van is an 18 year old 400,000 mile vehicle. It has swirls, scratches, dents and a little rust. I could use a brillo pad and cause less damage than is already on there. Its not a great advert but. I wash it when I get the time.... People hire me for what I can do to their cars, not what mine looks like. Sonax BSD is more of a sealant than a detail spray.
I always thought this was just common sense. It always seemed to me that adding lubricant to grit made it easier to scratch the surface. Seems I was right. Great video!! Thanks for the great info.
So if I have very light dust it shouldn’t be recommended to use a quick detailer to pick up the light dust after say a day or two of washing the vehicle?
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I use a 14 bucket wash system.
Noob. I use a 15-bucket method. Only takes me three days.
There’s a legend that if you use 40 bucket method, your car will be invincible to getting dirty
You guys are doing it wrong unless you use Himalayan Glacier Water™️
@@jamest.1095 Ha ha ha!
James T. 😂😂😂😂
Whenever i want to apply the 3 month detailing product, I repaint my car first in an air sealed room and put 5 inches of top coat on top of my regular top coat.
LOL
Best detailing channel, short but very informative, straight to the point!
Thank you...please spread the word!
“How do I keep my car clean between washes?
You don’t.”
Thanks Todd for being blunt. Seems obvious to some of us but not the majority.
You want to know how to keep lightly soiled cars clean between wash or when you drive to a show?
It's called Rinse less Wash. Perhaps you have heard of it. It comes in a foam version now too (AmmoNYC Sells a product).
Rinseless wash.
Ken-Jeeper ONR?
Despatcho Z34 yes or Mckees n-914.
I swear I was about to buy a ton of detailers and waterless wash products before watching this video. Thanks!
100% agree with you, it's really common sense, too... Without rinsing off the dirt/ sand/ etc on the car, we're always going to rub that crap against the car during "quick detailing". I only reserve use of detailers only after car wash and also to clean off bird poop/ bugs (after letting it sit for a few minutes then a gentle one direction wipe on my matte car)
Thanks Todd for breaking the myth that you can use Detail Sprays in between washes or to remove light dust from the paint surface. In all the videos that I have seen, you are the only person that has said not to use a detailing spray in between washes. Use it after the car has been washed as a drying aid or after the car has been dried.
Thank you. We teach people based on our testing, and how we care for our personal cars...not based on how we can sell more products.
Thought this would be click bait but was presented by a educated and passionate detailer!
Exactly
Yup!
Finally some real info!! NOTHING beats water and soap! I clean my car once a week and been doing so for 13 years. The only marks it has are stone chips and an occasional scratch which are all what I like to call "battle scars"
I use QED only after a wash and have it in the back of my car to remove bird poo, but then I saturate it A LOT more than required.
Bird poo is much more dangerous than a few swirls! Ask me how I know 😓
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not trying to be smart but from your experiences and knowledge what are the dangers of leaving bird poo on your vehicles paint for too long? is it something that can be removed with a detail product such as a “water spot remover” or something similar? or would that had to have been polished or corrected from the paint?
@@Takewifeznlifez bird poo can go thru the clearcoat and even the paint itself, I've had that happen to a car I owned and since then never let it sit there for days. It literally needed to be repainted to fix it
I use quick detailer on my motorcycle because I don't like hosing it down on the regular. Water gets places where it should't be and I end up with corrosion in hard to reach places. I polish the tank and the fenders with some compound every couple years and it very easily removes the light scratches. Overall I think this method keeps the bike looking fresher than if I washed it all the time.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! Finally! Someone that tells it like it is! I tell people to leave their cars DIRTY! The look they give me is like I am stupid. I use Polish Angel High Gloss as my QD and LOVE IT! It's pricey but worth it! KEEP ON ROCKING!
Thank you! We test, we learn, and then we tell it like it is.
At last, I found a video with the same thought as mine... Quik Detailer still has big risk of scratching the paint.. there's still dirt particles that dragged by the microfiber towel accross the surface although it has detailer lubrication with it. I usually use QD after a wash to touch up the gloss and protection. I always have a bottle of QD stand by in my car to be able to clean something quikly such as bird poo, tree sap for spot cleaning, but not a full car or a panel cleaning though..
Thanks again Todd for another informative video. Using a spray detailer on an unwashed car is the same as using one of those car dusters, where you run the car duster over the dirt and spread the dirt over your paint.
That's a popular one at "car shows"!
That’s so spot on, makes absolute sense in every aspect. Super helpful, you deserve more views! Thank you
As someone new to the detailing game, thank you for making this informative video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
But if I don't mess up my clear coat, then I've got no use for my polisher, pads, etc.
What kind of fun is that?...
In that case, scratch away! :)
use it on the glass
Yeah I think you got it right.. wet sanding😎
My between washes solution for dust typically is a quick rinse followed by using pressurized air to dry the car.
Bravo...bravo
I bought a cheap battery operated leaf blower. Use it to blow off dust in between washes (Live in the AZ desert) and to dry after washing.
I use quick detailer spray from Griot’s & Meguiar’s ... same deal here. I don’t use the sprays if my vehicles have been sitting for a while, because you can literally hear the dust, pollen, & grime being scraped across the paint ... big NO NO!
I’m not trying to win 1st place at a car show with my Daly driver, but it stays outside and every morning it’s soaking wet from the morning dew, I just rinse, drive to work, do a quick wipe down with quick detailer and it looks great! No swirls or scratches, I flip the rag a lot and shake it off constantly. Yes I’m the crazy guy who keeps his truck super clean, that everyone either complements or ridiculed for how clean and shiny it is Lol.
I only use my quick detailer to clean my door jambs, and I never let them get very dirty.
Same here, never used on the exterior.
I use it on that shitty piano black ugh I hate it
I’m no professional car cleaner or detailer, but I’ve always done exactly this, wash properly first with a decent car shampoo, rinse, dry, and then use a detailer spray👍🏻
I carry 8 clean edgeless plush towels in a closed container, 3 waffle weave towels in another container, 1 55oz pump sprayer with DI water, ONR and 3D Bead it up and another container for the dirty towels in the trunk. I always do a waterless wash every Friday after work. While not the same as a quick detailer but ONR used correctly with proper technique can be done when you arrive to the show. When I go mountain biking I bring my dewalt power cleaner and syphon water from a gallon of water to remove the heavy dirt and then finish with ONR wash 👍
That's great if it works for you, but the reality is that next to nobody wants to go to that extreme...
@@Esotericdetail thought we were detailers on here? Not really extreme as I mentioned I do this every Friday after work so it's my routine wash
@@mikeytek We are educating the masses, and informing them of the realities of detailing and detailing products. Even as a detailer, I want nothing to do with an overly involved process. Give me a pressure washer and a 2-bucket method all day!
@@Esotericdetail what's so overly involved? Once again I am able to do this outside every Friday at my jobs parking lot. Head over to local car meet right after. Pressure washing and 2 bucket method at the car show or after work is not necessarily doable. 🤷
@@mikeytek We don't do "rinseless washes". There's simply nothing as safe as a traditional wash. I've seen many versions of how to "safely" use rinseless wash, and they all have strayed well away from the actual instructions and end up being nothing more than a soap once all of the convoluted processes are added. Using tons of towels, pre-mixing solutions, etc. to me just isn't worth the risk. I'd much rather go to a car gathering with a dusty car in perfect condition than a dust-free car with swirls.
I used a quick detailer two times last year. It left my car looking nice but once the shine was minimized over time, the bran new light swirls began to look obvious. That was it for me, never doing that “in between washes” again. Even if my car looks pretty clean but has some light dust after use for a few days, used two dozen clean micro fiber towels…it still left swirl marks
Thanks for sharing your experience with everyone! Unfortunately most people don't see the swirls...they only see clean or dirty. I go to car shows all of the time and see people grinding away on the paint with quick detailers, and they don't even realize that they have swirls.
Great video Todd. I cringe when I go to car shows and see the towel in the trunk (most of the time dirty) and the quick detailer come out. I leave the layer of dust on mine until the next contact wash. Sometimes I get laughed at for not wiping mine down! Lol
Yes, we love seeing that as well. I always say that I'd rather have a dusty car with perfect paint than dust-free that is full of swirls!
You can use compressed air, or a Waterless Wash.
Honest and straight forward video - subscribed!
Totally agreed with your explanation in using quick spray detailer after a car washed👍🏻 , as not in those other video said directly spray, wipe and clean.
What if you dust the car and then use quick deatailer
I using quick detailer after every wash 😍
Then why not apply a ceramic spray that beads water for 3 months. Almost dame effort as a detailer spray.
I use quick detailers as drying aid
A good tip is to detail the inner wheel wells first (the dirtier the better) .This primes the microfiber towel with some dirt so that the dust will attract to it when you go to wipe your paint. Number one mistake is people using clean cloths without priming first.
Yeah and wipe all the particle matter from the wheels all over the paint. Great idea...........
@@gregshanahan1205 😂 you seemed to have missed my immense sarcasm in the comment. Priming a towel with dirt? 😂
Lmao
@@bobsmithinson2050 Yeah, but some people really are dumb enough to follow this advice. Never underestimate people's stupidity
Who else is here AFTER they used the quick detailer INCORRECTLY LOL
I’m here before I make the mistake.
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Love your honesty 👍🏻 their is nothing easy or fast about keeping your vehicles in perfect condition
Thank you.
Todd, sorry for resurrecting an old video commentary, and I’m sure you’ve forgotten more about detailing than I’ll ever know but, my experience of rinse-less systems (ONR) is absolutely at odds with your advice that between wash touch-ups introduces swirls etc.
I use ONR on a carbon black (midnight blue) BMW and an Orca black Audi and I’ve looked at the paint under a sunmatch 3 lamp and a flex dwl2500 light pre / post using ONR and it didn’t introduce swirls…..I also checked with optimum whether there were any fillers in ONR (there aren’t)…..maybe you could do a panel test video sometime so that you could validate whether swirls are/aren’t introduced.
Obviously, I’m talking about a dusty rather than dirty car and Optimum claim that encapsulation is a primary reason why the paint doesn’t swirl…..would be great to see the results in a controlled environment. 👍
Light marring that builds up over time cannot be captured on camera or video, so it's really pointless to try to do a video just for that. You also have to look at the educational aspect from the fact that we are talking to the general public, and the masses. Imagine somebody who is not a detailing enthusiast (the majority of society) grabbing a bottle, reading that it won't scratch the finish, then going to town on their car only to scratch it up. If you personally can do a technique that works well, then good for you, and keep doing it. But we don't use it here in the shop or on our personal cars because we simply don't want to risk it. If the car needs to be cleaned, we wash them...
@@Esotericdetail Thanks for the reply. I Hadn’t taken on board the general public aspect…..recently watched a detailing video of a guy who had dropped off his Aston DB11 for a new car detail….it had rained so he thought he’d wipe it down with an old dry chamois prior to dropping the car off…..the detail became a multi-stage paint correction booking 😂😂.
Thanks for the channel and videos Todd….they’re great…..and I know you’re one of the best facilities in the US (I’m UK based). I often see very positive comments about the quality of your work on the Porsche Rennlist site 👍
@@jasonsfraser Thank you kindly!
@@alexs8312 We don't use them on our personal cars, either...we wait until the next time to wash. It's our responsibility as educators to let them know the truth behind products and processes, regardless of their level of enthusiasm for it. The biggest culprits of this are those who actually are enthusiasts...just go to the car shows and see. You don't have to make the paint on a daily driver an obsession, and that's where many people have the wrong mindset about detailing and protection. You CAN have a highly detailed vehicle that is a daily driver. All is requires is the know-how of a proper wash system, and not making mistakes like stated in this video. Then you get the pride of ownership throughout the entire process without having to go crazy with the car, and you can still hold the higher value.
Those sprays actually work really well if use u use it correctly as u said. And work even better if u use only the amount needed. In some cases I won’t even have to go behind with a clean, dry towel.
1 min in and Damn I'm good. I was taught pretty good by a detailer and he taught us this. Man quick and to the point. Thumbs up
This man speaks the truth but I really don’t care . I’m an avid detail waterless quick fix car enthusiast and constantly get compliments on my 20 yr old Tahoe’s paint ,shine and overall appearance ! Coworkers and strangers alike are always asking how I manage to keep my old truck looking better and newer than the most current year models ! I mean sure there’s superficial swirls and a few imperfections but hardly noticeable to the average 85/90 % of the people I come in contact with and I’m ok with that!
Finally, the answer to why quick detailer after every short drive is a bad idea. The black paint on my car thanks you.
Thanks for watching!
I fucked mine up
I knew about this before already because of my old car. I clean it before washing just to make it clean all week. I realized that the swirls probably coming from the dirt when wiping it off with a towel. Now I leave my car all dirty without wiping it off until the next car wash. It looks clean looking without a swirls. Also for a quick wash, Go to a touchless carwash.
I use my quick detailer right after it rains.
I spray it right on the wet paint and clean it with a clean microfiber towel and then dry it with a clean microfiber towel. It always comes out great. A lot of gloss and slickness.
Gonna try this 👍
I use ONR in a squirty bottle when my car needs a quick dusting. Works great
Thank you for clarifying this. I constantly see idiots using this shit thinking they aren't scratching their paint 🤦🏽♂️
subbed after this well explained video
Thanks, and welcome to the channel!
I'm so glad someone finally made this point! Thank you for the video man. Quick question though. Do you think it's necessary to have both a quick detailer and a spray on sealant in my arsenal? Don't they both perform the same roles?
Glad you liked it. Yes, I think you should have both. Some are going to be just basic maintenance where you'd use a QD, and some are going to be adding protection with a sealant.
Great info. I was damn sure following the instructions on the back of the bottle. Thanks for the tip man. From now on I will use after washing and drying.
This is Advice Every car owner should hear !
Thank you Bob...please share it with everybody you know to help spread the word! :)
Good advice... common sense, pretty much! Thanks!
I agree, however, you may be able to clean a car using a waterless wash like Adams waterless wash and detailer or AMMO NYC. Just spray and remove the dust with ONLY one wipe using the JUST the clean side of a waffle weave microfiber towel and not reusing it until the whole car is done. I use a total of 3 to 4 rags and wash them in the washing machine every time after use. I only do this when I drive the car for less than 100 miles and is just a bit dusty. With black paint, is inevitable creating small scratches to it but swirl marks will never be created if doing it correctly. For scratch free surface, is always good to do a full paint correction and ceramic coat or sealant even if the car is brand new.
No matter how clean your towel is or how thick the suds are, if you drag contaminants like dust and little sand particles you ARE going to scratch your paint.
It might be minor but it will scratch.
Hold on a minute good sir, you are telling me that they really don't encapsulate dirt with a protective force field?!
Hard to believe I know...but true!
Nope NOT Quick Detailers. However a Waterless Wash will.
@@Gotallofthem1 would be amazing if such a product existed
@@KWW0321 So your force field comment wasn't a metaphor? You actually were asking if an actual force field exists?
@@Gotallofthem1 it was sarcasm in reference to the way some manufacturers describe what their quick detailers and waterless washes are capable of.
I spray the quick detailer with wax before I wash in the areas where water spots are prone to collect. This prevents the water from collecting on those areas so Im usually more relaxed during my washes.
I like quick detailer for bird poop. Birds in my area take huge dumps so it’s handy to clean of their mess if I can’t wash my car.
In my view, wash your car. Once a year, iron spray, tar spray, and clay, or do that every every 2 years. Then light wash car again. Apply a good sealant or do a paint polish + sealant. Then apply a newgen ceramic spray coating. Then apply a 2nd ceramic spray coating next day. It’s 1/2 day’s work, but paint is fully protected. The afterwards, wash car as you like. Every 3 months, do a really thorough wash, and every 6 months do sealant + spray coat. Quick detailing isn’t necessary.
Two questions: What about cars with paint protection film? And if you have a ceramic coating on top of it? Would this be okay to use the quick detailer the "wrong" way as you describe here?
2nd question: Where do you buy nice microfiber towels like that? All I seem to find are glorified polyester napkins.
This man speaks the truth! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
That's how we do it here at ESOTERIC! Thank you.
I literally live in a desert, sand particles get carried by the wind which makes it impossible to not scratch your vehicle even if you just finished washing the car. I try my best to avoid swirl marks caused by the sand particles, but whatever i do to limit the swirls nothing actually works, besides working indoor which is impossible for me to do.
Good sound advice. I can now see that detailers are not a good thing and not needed really.
Todd no doubt, you’re number one channel for car detailing fans....
Thank you kindly, and please spread the word! :)
Good video. I just listen to you on Corvette Today Podcast. Looking forward to viewing more of your videos on RUclips. Thanks!
Thanks for watching (and listening!).
Very helpful, I’ve always thought about this but with all the products on the market considered myself to be overly thinking. 👍
What about California Duster?? I would think that would scratch as well??
Yes, those definitely scratch the surface!!
@@Esotericdetail it's been proven that they don't scratch
@@pullingthestrings5233 I'd question the validity of that one, especially when people simply throw them into the trunk of their cars after repeated use.
@@Esotericdetail I’m sure this comment implies the duster was properly kept in its sleeve.
@@bobsmithinson2050 They have a parafin wax in them, so everything sticks to it...including the stuff you're trying to remove from the surface. So then it just builds up and becomes abrasive.
I polish my car twice a year so I'm not too worried about ultra fine scratches that occur from using a quick detailer. This dude is 100% correct though.. This will leave scratches.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in the quick detailer debate. Great products but they have to be used when appropriate and not as a substitute for a 2 bucket wash.
Oh boy, you think that a 2 bucket wash is the utmost best way of doing things?
Gotallofthem1 non contact first of course but it won’t take care of everything.
as you say too many people do use it inbetween washes, I think the only time its ok is if your car has PPF on it. and even, only if its a little dust or dirt
Thanks. Does the quick detailer work as well/last as long when used on a wet car vs a dry (clean) car?
Thanks. Great info, exactly what I was looking for. Got one M tech detailer from Canadian Tire today and was almost going to spray it on my dirty car and start wiping, but good thing the very first video I saw on google is a clear instruction video on how to use the Instant Detailer. One question: so wash the car, dry the car completely before applying detailer or is it okay if there is bit of water on the car from the wash.
Thank you!! Finally, someone points out the truth about quick detailer!!!
TOTALLY agree, I found out the hard way!
As have most of us!
@@Esotericdetail I unsubscribed to the many RUclips channels who swear by The Garry Dean Method. I used to follow The Garry Dean Method to the letter. It's a filthy process that turned my fingernails black. Every week I would fill the washbin with 30 damp, gritty, filthy microfibres and the Mrs goes ballistic! Was I doing something incorrectly? Anyway, since subscribing to Esoteric, I've been using the 2 bucket wash method. I've just seen the latest Esoteric video with the wrapped satin blue MB AMG. Great step-by-step reference showing how to have fun washing the car in complete safety.
@@owensteele1274 Thank you for the great reply! We don't believe in creating overly convoluted and complicated processes just to make ourselves look "knowledgeable". Keep it simple, do it based off of thousands of hours of research and practice, and enjoy your car! If you don't mind, please be sure to share that same comment on our wash-at-home video featuring the AMG.
How do you keep it clean in between washes? You Don’t. That was great😂
Great info!
I don't wash my cars using the traditional method such as a wash bucket with soap. One car is always garaged and when it gets dusty I use Griots speed shine to wipe it down. My truck is always parked outside and when i want to clean that i use Griots spray and wash. If either the truck or my car gets dirty from driving in the rain, I just hose it off and then use the spray and wash. I never use soap on my vehicles and I have no streaks or swirl marks.
I agree!! I use this as the last step when I wash.
How to use detailers:
1. Prewash
2. Snow foam wash
3. Post wash with 12 bucket system and 5 grit guards. Water PH must be 6.12. total water TDS must be 12ppm. Water temp must be 35 deg C. Car must point west for even drying.
4. Apply After wash wax as rinse
5. Dry with microfiber use 1 cloth per panel with approximately 0.0045 psi of pressure.
6. Then you can apply detailer
That easy. Life shouldn't be hard.
yeah i'm not doing that. no one has access to R/O water either
I just grab a bucket of distilled water and towel and wash off the freeway dust/dirt. Soap if its too bad. That constitutes as a wash. Anything you want, you have to work for it. I try to keep my car pretty so that I don't focus on speed. M3 driver. The E350 is just an angel though.
Problem for people like me who doesn't have a drive and no way of getting a hose to the communal car park I use.
I have only used these to my wheels for minor buff between washes and to door jams, etc. I have finally come to peace to the feeling that my car is going to have dust spots between washes and that's it.
This man speaks the truth!
I just use the Lucas spray detailed cause you can use it wet just for lubricant while I am drying the vehicle works amazing even on glass. Is just mist the micro fiber towel. But like he said I never use it to wipe down a dusty car. Only as I am drying it. I don’t rely on it to protect it. I just use it to aid in not scratching the vehicle while drying
I don’t even really see the need for a QD anymore. Too many other better options that give gloss AND protection
Wich options?
Wished I saw this an hour ago. Used a QD after a correct wash...and used too much. So fatty streaks galore. Lesson learned 🤣.
Very informative and straight forward. 👍👍👍
That's exactly how we like to do it! :)
Well said brother!
I really appreciate this video and I’m glad I found your channel. I’ve been doing it wrong. Will sub to the channel.
You are totally the best.
Thank you! :)
what if you a PPF on the whole car? self healing film? Can you use to wipe light dust?
I love using quick detailer on my new black corvette…works great for me.
I use Gyeon QD and it is super glossy and easy to use…also was pretty cheap like 15-17€ / 1 liter
You are most definitely right
Those who condone "waterless washes" or QD's in-between simply don't look at paint as closely, or as critically as we do and are often clueless as to what it's doing over time. As a reseller of products, we should be awarded some kind of medal for actually telling people NOT to buy products! :). That's also a big difference in that we are first and foremost detailers who actually work on cars every single day as opposed to just being a reseller who pushes as many products as possible.
I think there's some confusion between a quick detailer and a rinseless wash. I use 1 gallon of optimum no rinse wash and wax to do my usual wash: half a gallon in a garden sprayer to pre-soak each panel, the other half gallon to soak 500gsm microfibers, 1 per panel. Each folded side of each microfiber makes only 1 pass on a pre-soaked panel, then a waffle weave microfiber to dry. Far less swirls than I ever had with the two bucket method, less water wasted, and no need to have access to water or drag out the hose.
Very few people will go to that kind of effort to wash a car, simply to have it called "rinseless". If it works for you, great. But it's not something for the masses to say the least. We literally wash thousands of cars per year here, all with a 2-bucket method...no issues whatsoever.
@@Esotericdetail You greatly overestimate the effort involved, obviously no experience in washing cars 😉. Jk, I know your method is fine and don't intend to suggest otherwise. There could be methods you've never tried that have valid use cases, too.
Shew, seen the video and was thinking I was probably an idiot. I've already been doing it after washes only. lol
Great info. Thanks.
True
The 2 bucket method doesn’t work either. Rinse the mitt with a hose after each panel 👍
Charlie 400 you have to get the dirt that’s embedded out of the mitt. Rinsing isn’t going to do that
Midwest Mopars what about the traffic film that sits on top of the rinse water that then goes back onto the mitt
Actually it does...no issues with marring paint here at our shop! Combine the 2-buckets with a foam gun and a blower for drying and you're good to go!
ESOTERIC I can’t see how the dirt can settle to the bottom before the mitt is dunked again but to be fair, the most important thing is how well the car/truck is pre washed
Follow 2 bucket system but with car wash solution/shampoo in both the buckets ✌🏼
Thanks for the vid. I personally only use quick detailers as drying aides.
Im a UK pro detailer.
My work van is an 18 year old 400,000 mile vehicle. It has swirls, scratches, dents and a little rust.
I could use a brillo pad and cause less damage than is already on there.
Its not a great advert but. I wash it when I get the time....
People hire me for what I can do to their cars, not what mine looks like.
Sonax BSD is more of a sealant than a detail spray.
Great explanation and info. Subscribed!
This is a hall of fame car detailing video.
Thank you!
Good video!!
I’m impressed!!
Keep it up!!
Soooo correct ....GREAT ADVICE ..THX ..
Hello, I use BSD after car wash every wash. When drying. Do I then have to dilute it with water in a 1:1 ratio?
I always thought this was just common sense. It always seemed to me that adding lubricant to grit made it easier to scratch the surface. Seems I was right. Great video!! Thanks for the great info.
Bob Kersting it’s crazy and I’ve been knowing this sense 15. Pretty common sense but people are idiots so.
exactly. common sense, there isnt there a magical spray that removes dirt without leaving a scratch. That would ruin all detailing garages.
So if I have very light dust it shouldn’t be recommended to use a quick detailer to pick up the light dust after say a day or two of washing the vehicle?
Correct.
Thanks!