In AfterEffects: 8-Core MacPro vs Ryzen 1700
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- 3 benchmarks comparing MacPro at 3GHz against AMD Ryzen 1700, also at 3GHz in Adobe After Effects CC 2017
1) Warp stabilizer of RED 4.5K Footage (www.red.com/sample-r3d-files)
2) Ray-tracing Scene (www.teddygage.com/AEBENCHCS6/)
3) Simple Rings Template rendering (www.freeaetemplates.net/new-free-after-effects-template-for-august/)
All screen recordings played at 8X speed
Correction 1: RED footage is 4.5K instead of 6K
Correction 2: Additional GTX 1080 would not be $400 but ~$530, but it would be a slim benefit in AE
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Prices as of April 2017
One thing I did not hear from any reviewer is the fact that how surprisingly AMD managed to come up with a product like this, considering that AMD has a fraction of Intel's R&D budget and how the company is losing out money and is (or I must say was) in a verge of collapsing financially. I can't imaging what AMD could have done if it had the budget and finance equal to what the giant Intel has.. With so much less resources and options they came up with a diamond as a product!
Well, they will look like Intel now, fat & lazy.
The biggest breakthroughs in almost all new industries come from tiny companies, usually outside US. Then the big one acquihires it or simply buys patents. I am not saying that AMD did that, but R&D budget is usually incomparably small in those companies. Also, companies do not invent things, individual people do.
I read this comment somewhere else, maybe I will find more.
It may be more to do with Intel dragging their feet and resting on their Laurels than anything else. You know the saying: The wolf climbing the hill is hungrier than the wolf on the top the hill.
Now that AMD has brought out a competitive line-up, Intel have no choice but to scavenge their sacred golden-egg laying xeons with all the subtlety of a butcher's knife in order to appear competitive. They won't be until 2018 for HEDT once Threadripper comes out.
That wolf was on the hill for the last 10 years, and has not moved much. Compare 6700K with their i7 from 2008: cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-920-vs-Intel-Core-i7-6700K multicore performace is hardly doubled for almost 10 years.
Thanks man, quite nice test. Decisions will be made.
Lol if you build a ryzen pc with 5600$ to match the price of the mac i think it could be 700% faster
it wont.
maybe with threadripper.
pcpartpicker.com/list/38j6yf
Just make 5x ryzen systems and network them in to a render farm. AE has network rendering built in. Shove that in your mac and smoke it..
it's why it's looks like trash can
Vinsu Karma I know it's a insult.
no its a Trash Can, even Apple Admits.
Loving these Mac pro vs Ryzen series! Very Good Job
Thanks for this hope this gets out there among pros who are getting reamed by the Apple tax
I enjoyed your video :) Keep it up!
Looks like it's time for MAC to get AMD CPUs. Never been a fan, but my MAC brethen shouldn't have to pay through their noses...
Composed from my R7-1800X...
Knowing Apple they will charge the same or more because of profit margins.
the mistake of paying too much $$$$$$ for the MAC-CAN
nice test bro, pretty accurate !!!
Thank you for, I was looking for this!... subbed
just what im looking for, just about to migrate from macpro, thanks a lot, Tech Guy!!!
The Mac Pro (nMP) is a 4yrs old technology which Apple still sales today and the new Ryzen was just released not to long ago I really like these compare videos old hardware vs new hardware
OMG! An after effects texts! :D
Thank you so much for doing this.
well executed, noice
Thanks for the test !
You can save about $300 in part cost to get identical spec... this would allow you to get the 1800x that is at least 20% faster then the 1700
It is not a problem with Mac Pro which is a breeze on FinalCut Pro, for instance, the problem is with AE itself which is not optimized for Mac
AE is different purpose than FCP. FCP is Premere competitor. The AE is not optimized for anything. Recently I tried to also make a video with it on 64Core/128T machine and a one with 8 GPUs, and the results were not exciting at all, so I never finished it.
@@Tech-Guy AE isn't far cry from FCP, on Mac you have Motion for that. And it is as fast as lightning on my Mac Pro late 2013. To me, Motion is even faster than AE and it is also an awesome software. Motion and FCP are very fast. I've been professionally working on PC for almost 30 years and 6 years ago I added Mac. But there is one little thing called CUDA, with it PC can do more and faster. In BM Resolve denoising is at least 3 times faster on my RTX 2080 Ti than on a duet AMD firePro D700
thank you for this specific test I was looking for with Ryzen
The real conclusion here is that you have to be 450% dumber to buy a mac
ah finally a review for creatives thank you.
I'm not surprised at all . . . Apple has been selling overpriced PCs for over 20 years.
AMD is soon coming out with Whitehaven 16 core CPU - it will definitely be hitting the enthusiast market. . . I bet it still will be cheaper to build a system with that which is cheaper than MacPro and beats the crap out of it. One curiosity that I have is what difference switching to Vega GPU would make. It doesn't have "CUDA" cores but it does have OpenCL and a new architecture with a High Bandwidth Cache controller. . . so all the extra RAM (ex: 64 MB ram) would be used more efficiently.
I hear the Ryzen CPU have some issues with Nvidia GPU like driver issues. Is that right? so what your advice for 4K video editing in after effects with Nvidia 1080Ti. I planning to build 4K PC. And i'm confused between Intel i7 7700K and Ryzen 1700
I did not see any issues with 1080 (no ti). Now that I have both I will compare them in the next days when I have some free time. 7700K should have h265 accelerated with hardware but I did not actually see any reports of any program benefiting from that. We will see...
What about actually using the thing? 90% of my time on AE is on the timeline scrubbing through making animations.
You are not even telling what CPU the mac has?
right there!
hey im pretty sure your ram on ryzen would be downclocked if you have all the slots full. They are trying.to.fix it but its not fixed yet. check your bios. and overclock your ram to at least 2666 and more.
Correct title video
DDR3-1866MHz VS DDR4-3000MHz
The result is obvious.
but the MAC is SWAG and EGO boosting, also you can brag with it, also it's amazing for snobs, so MAC wins
lol a trash can is swag and ego boost?
everyone has a trash can.
and everyone knows inside is just plain trash.
To be honest mac is trash
Does the ryzen playback smoothly on timeline compare to the mac? . Thanks for the review btw.
I would appreciate your opinion on the following.
I'm not a gamer. I do video and photography. I actually ordered a Ryzen 1700, which is sitting on my desk since yesterday. My problem is that AMD does not support Thunderbolt in any of the available motherboards, which I need for editing high-bit video externally and it has not announced that it will include it in any of the upcoming motherboards in the near future. Even though I think they have already included it in one external graphics card system, and I also read that Intel will licensee the Thunderbolt technology free. So, with the Ryzen sitting on my desk, I am seriously thinking of returning it to get an i7, maybe the 7800x, which is about $150 more expensive than the Ryzen 1700 for two fewer cores, etc. All because there is no Thunderbolt 3 on the AMD side. Your opinion would be much appreciated.
No one builds a hackingosh to use premier, they do it for FCPX
Is it just me but, looking at CPU utilization, the CPU's aren't maxing out, meaning that the render is primaraly being done on the GPU side. If this is the case, then this has little to do with a ryzen cpu vs a mac but more so a comparison between a gtx 1080 and 2x firepro D700's. Am i missing something?
It does not necessarily mean that. CPU needs to transfer data from RAM and storage drives so that may be the bottleneck. In addition, not all processes can be made multithreaded, especially across so many cores, so there is always a thread waiting for another thread to complete to get data from it.
I'm waiting for the next AMD platform X390 ;) maybe in the next two or three months will be available. 16 CORES BABY.....
Thank you
looks like they droped the price by $1k but damn they are still using DDR3 ram in those mac pro's. Time for Apple to get creative with modern hardware again and put a premium+ price tag on it again.
What if your gpu is an amd graphics card? Will it make a difference if your gpu is rx580 or 570 8gb?
Apple should switch to Ryzen for the desktop macs
They will still be very expensive
Mac pros use server grade material. ryzen isnt server grade and neither is a gtx 1080. They may use it in there other product like the imac. intel xeon and amd fire pro are server grade products used in the mac pro.
That does not matter much today. I work with server components and they also fail. The big difference is that for the 4 year device cycles, I you can have the same performance with consumer components the first year, and even if something fails on consumer side, you can upgrade each year to better components without reaching the original budget. Having the same budget, 3 years later I have "reliable" old machine that I have to replace, while a smart consumer has 3 times faster machine that is 1 year old, and if it fails, that is only new hundreds of dollars to fix while I need to shell out several thousands.
i Never said they would fail. everything has to fail eventually but it wont fail as fast as consumer grade products. if not why do people buy server grade material?
The difference was much bigger several years ago, but today there isn't much. On professional equipment you get support, if something is not working well, while if you buy consumer stuff you will not get your issue resolved even if you say you represent a company and have bought 30 of the same product. Companies have money and man-hours are expensive, and down time is expensive, so better to pay more just to be safe. If I was building computers for hospitals or other "mission critical" businesses I would go with server grade components, but nobody dies or looses money if one of ours computers in entertainment industry, civil engineering, design, video production or other similar industries crashes, component dies and there is 2 hour down time for a single person.
Lets be hones, 95% buy apple to be flashy. Other 5% really need what apple offers
I like your build, i get almost the same but in micro atx form factor
Cool. Can you post a photo how it looks inside when it is done? I like small cases and I am curious to see how well it fits together.
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Threadripper 1920x (4.05 Ghz ) : 145sc for stabilization
That is a nice improvement, although I wish Adobe would do more for the mutithreading in their software.
@@Tech-Guy sure, 138 sc for i7 7700k vs threadripper... and specialy when we use i7 on cinebench, 950 points vs 2615 for 1920x
@@traitparfait I am not surprised as even Ryzen 1700 was quite a bit faster in other 3d software compared to 7700k when I tested it here ruclips.net/video/4b36xcv9pEc/видео.html
at the starting of the video i was shouting ..please dont dont mac pro pls dont go against him!.......and now I say "at least you tried!"
Tech Guy:::i seen the List on the PC Built, on the video screen, but not on the Description.I would like to take notes for all the parts used in the PC Built please thank you, hope you can update and put them in your description.I Subscribed an pressed the notification bell for in case update.Hope you will Reply or notify for all Parts in List Thanks Again.
Hi, Here is the current components list list pcpartpicker.com/list/yrYc7h
This one just 2x8 GB of RAM instead 2x16
You forgot to make a '10 bit on a consumer GPU' video. :)
Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me! Adding now a sticky note to my desktop
I tried making that video but it did not work out. I remember checking information in monitor OSD and seeing 30bit signal but on 4K LGs that I have now I do not have that info anymore and I can see banding on GTX and not on Quadro, no matter the options. It looks like a fraud from nVidia, letting you chose 10bit color output in control panel of gtx card, and also Adobe showing 30bit output when it actually cannot deliver.
Yes, I was pissed off the same way you are when I acknowledged nVidia false advertises 10-bit mode for their consumer cards. Anyway, thanks for posting an update!
what will be now when 16/32 R9 Ryzen comes !! results will be 2x faster but still be cheaper them Mac Shit book
Mr11ESSE111 its called trashcan
You need to use FCPx on the MAC...then you will see some real test numbers
FCPx is more comparable to Premiere with features. AE is for something completely different
And on top of that, you can overclock the ryzen cpu
Threadripper with windows 10 will outright kill macs in creative studios unless Apple adopts it, and fast. They simply can't afford to put intel CPU's to compete with similarly capable Ryzens where the cost is two or even three times as much with intel.
I can't believe they STILL have no touch screen productivity devices other than their tablets. I work in VFX and rarely use touch except in Photoshop, but even then I will always switch to the surface book for tasks with a pressure sensitive touchscreen stylus, rather than trying to do the same job on the PC with a graphics tablet and pen.
My surface book i7 is what macbooks should have been, but instead they just keep making gimmicks like the touch bar. It's as if someone else has the rights to make touchscreens, so apple are doing their best to avoid it, which of course is not the case.
Meanwhile surface pro's are on their 5th gen, surface book 2nd gen, and for those who can afford it the surface studio again destroys mac pro's in creative circles. STILL no touchscreens and styluses on macs, coupled with iOS having aged very badly due to sod all significant updates from Apple for years while Microsoft plows on with specific updates for creators and content makers hard baked into Windows.
Microsoft and Ryzen are the way to go for sure, there's simply no advantage to macs whatsoever now other than for sentimental reasons. Most big studios now will have an even mix of mac and PC, I suspect the macs are already a endangered species in professional environments.
In our lab we have 30 pcs and 30 macs. PCs are usually all taken, while only half of macs are being used.
Unfortunately I had to suffer all macs at University, so did all creative work at home
mac pro is also on last gen memory
Is it worth taking Ryzen 1700 to work in AE or is it better to use 7700k?
7700K will be more comparable to Ryzen 1800x. It will also depend on task, and some may benefit for the double the number of cores that Ryzen have. I have 7700k at work but I will probably not have time soon to test it out, but I will publish it with the same scenes as soon as I find some time.
thx
You need to change your render preferences in the mac... I am.guessing that ryzen will still perform better.... But not much difference...
If you look carefully, macpro is using 8 threads not 16, that means its only using physical cores not virtual...
I think the AE is not optimised on your mac
Other 8 threads work but lower, to thread scheduler does not work properly; not sure if the fault is with macos or in AE. But if you look at Windows' cpu graph you will see that it is more even but average utilization is still low at 25%. If you have ideas on what settings to change on mac I will repeat the tests
I had the same problem on my Macbook pro... AE did not use the CPU or GPU 100% which was bugging me, coz I was wasting time.
I went in the preferences. and changed the cores to 4, which made it faster and also increased the CPU usage to 100%.
This is a Quad core i7 on AE CS6. Currently my Macbook is in for Repair, I will share more details when it gets back.
Also I have Placed an Order for a ryzen 1700 with radeon pro>
Mental ray in maya(upto 2016), usses CPU to render, so I would recommend you, you try that to test CPUs and multicore performances.
I am a CGI artist, if you need any help in that I can definitely help.
AS an apple fan I have used this machine, while it looks good in ads, but Current Mac Pro and macbook pro is a middle finger by apple to the professionals!
That existed in CS6, but they removed that option in newer versions of AE. You cannot change number of cores and RAM per core anymore. I am also in 3D biz, but I use vray. I made the benchmark videos a month ago but I just forgot to put them side by side... maybe I will do it later this week. VRay also uses all cores at 100%. Maybe it is too late now, but since you are doing 3D, 1800x would be better option, even with less RAM at the same total price point.
After effects is so unoptimised. Not saying the results would be any different to a better program, Mac Pro might even get dominated more if you benchmarked using something else, I just don't understand why it's used as a benchmark in the first place. It doesn't even use multiple CPU cores in previewing footage anymore. It rarely maxes out all cores.
It is not general CPU benchmark, but a program specific. Some people use AfterEffects daily and would need to know what would save them time when they cannot use anything else.
Does RYZEN 7 support 4k RAW VIDEO EDITING in Davinci Resolve....??
BTW great Video....!!
So, will Apple switch to Ryzen processors?
I bet no. They are not investing much in desktops. They make tones more money on iPhones than on all laptops, macpros and imacs combined.
macpro isn't a cpu. is that a xeon?
Are mac s good at anything?
amd ftw!!!
Honestly it's not even a fair comparison anymore. Mac pro are built on obsolete technology DDR3 vs Ddr4, sata vs nvme
Then why it costs that much today? The comparisons are done with today's latest prices and products available, and it's only Apple's shame that it hasn't released anything newer, or even lowered the existing ones' price...
that mac price should be cut in half at the least.
Well, if you go by the hardware, and the fact that the engineering costs are no longer as pressing of a concern anymore, it should be less than third...
jackelofnar It's a fair comparision because it still costs a shit ton of money
I think I have some settings wrong because with a Ryzen 1700x, latest Mobo update, 32Gb RAM, 1080ti, and M2 Samsung Pro and EVO media/scratch drive, after effects is still not as fast as I'd like. It seems to have slowed since I bought the system two months ago. I also don't see in task manager that it is fully utilizing most of the components because nothing is in a high percentage of usage.
Most AE functions are not well parallelized, so don't expect high CPU usage on any CPU. The latest Adobe update had reportedly increased performance on Ryzen, but I have not had a chance to test it. Slowed down? I could only suspect on M2 issues
Tech Guy AE has issues with M2?
Yeah after further reading I realize that after effects for the last couple years has not been taking advantage of multi thread processors. I think I probably would have been better off getting an i7 7700k. Live and learn. There are so many variables in a system, it is hard to keep track of them all. The i7 plus mobo might not even cost that much.
I don't thing AE has specific issues with M.2, I think that of all components that one is the most likely to develop issues that would result in slowdown. I got the i7 7700K at work, I will build it in the next days with the same RAM and GTX 1800 as in Ryzen, and redo the tests in AE, PR, PS, to see how much do we gain or loose compared to 1700.
Yeah, I'd love to see that. I don't want to have buyers' remorse. Though really, I feel the problem is AE, so I'm looking for an alternative for that, too. I only animate 2D text, so I only use 5% of its features.
Did you ever build it? Curious!
what about a hackintosh on that pc?
Probably would be hell to make it work... and even then you cannot tell if the scheduler would work for all cores, so I will not bother
i think dat cooler master is no difference between stock cooler u get with cpu maybeee few ℃...better to save up for noctua and oc dis beast :D
Can the ryzen chip can play an 8k youtube video without stuttering?
Yeah if your internet can keep up
Do you own a ryzen cpu?
Yes the 1700x. My i7 5820k was able to do it too. It is not too cpu intense. Mine goes between 14%-50% usage switching between the cores. The internet is a large factor. Now editing 8k that is a different story haha
My 1st gen i7 cant play 8k videos, 4k and 5k plays fine but 8k stutters.
Well, I can confirm it plays smoothly on mine. Only on chrome though, firefox will not work.
What is a render farm?
It is used in creative industry - it is a bunch of computers without monitors, or graphic cards, connected into a network, and used only for rendering. Imagine you have a video with 100 frames, and when you press Render, 10 Render Farm "Nodes" take 10 frames each to individually render, so all 100 frames render in 1/10 of the time it would take for one computer. Pixar and other animation companies have farm with thousands of computers, so instead of rendering one film in 10 years, they finish it in a few weeks.
you dont need to buy 1800x for faster times then just oclcok r7 1700 or now you can add few $ more and buy some R9 ryzens
Do ryzen 7 vs daul Xeon gtx 1080 in CAD software
Soon I will do Ryzen 1700 vs i7-7700K vs Dual Xeon, all with 1080Ti in 3D and CAD software
Tech Guy thank you
As expected PC is much more superior and cheaper in comparison to Apple. am not at all surprised about the results of this benchmark!
The uniqueness of the Macs is gone since they moved to x86 architecture in 2005 I think. Before that Jobs always said Power PC chips are much better, he even explained in one of his keynotes pipelines difference between Intel, where he basically showed difference between RISC and CISC x86 architecture ruclips.net/video/LA1ZBxVMwBU/видео.html.
Here is another video they showed 500 Mhz G4 speed vs 1 Ghz Pentium 3 ruclips.net/video/h6ciBW2AfMk/видео.html ;)
well its a 2/4 years old mac :D
ryzen hackintosh??
There are pcs that run osx in vm
faster than mac pros lol
Next Mac Pro will use Ryzen
No because Thunderbolt is intel's and without thunderbolt, the mac can do even less
meanwhile mac pro fans cried because ryzen is too much cheap and very high performance than mac pro.
Annndd you can overclock the 1700 :)
Not on all motherboards, but on this one yes, and many others ;)
Yup and ThreadRipper will make the Mac Pro an even bigger waste of a trashcan
Most of your 4-year-old Mac Pro vs current release Windows machines use Adobe products. Adobe has never optimized their code very well for mac multi gpu machines, especially in their video applications. I have both the 8 core mac and 2 new Alienware machines, An Alienware 17 R4 laptop with the 1070 GTX and a new Alienware Aurora (6700K) with GTX 1080. TRhey blow the mac away with Adobe products, but I don't really use adobe products o the Mac, Like most or at least many Mac users, I use FCP 10.3 and Motion and Compressor from Apple. And when using those programs for my video workflow, the Mac just eats both Alienware computers alive that are stuck running the Adobe crap. Just saying, use the proper tool on the proper machine brings a whole new view of what that machine does.
if only adobe apps would be better multi threaded... they have shit multi core performance.
sure
MotoK tips shit performance in general. But what makes it worse is that they have no initiative - they just sit there not rendering or caching anything other than the time line until you tell them to do something.
ScamPro vs PC
Wie der Ryzen den Xeon rasiert .
Well apple is shit. Iphone i have...
get yourself the epyc 32 core 64 thread for the same price of mac pro :)
Use FCP on the Mac and save money ;) Adobe subs. sucks
But MacPro it's most cute.... XD
Ya its true. Its the only good thing about it.