The Last Flight of the U.S.S. Constitution - Fallout 4 Lore
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"Damn you Weatherby Savings and Loans!"
Best line from Ironsides.
I don't get it
Ultra Demon Animations - monty python
@@razrdemonic its the building they're stuck on
Hahaha yeah it's a memorable one.
@@mintysushi494It's also a quote Ironside says. So dude who "doesn't get it" doesn't seem to pay much attention.
Such a Missed opportunity, should have had the Minutemen fix the Constitution and use it to broadside the Prydwen.
Doc Hoss could've been the Prydwen's counterpart.
Exactly this! The Minutemen needed this. That would have been fucking awesome.
Doc Hoss THAT would have been amazing
I'm pretty sure that Ironsides would have much rather broadsided the Yangtze had he actually made it into the water.
Doc Hoss Meh, I personally feel that the Brotherhood and Minutemen can co exist.
The “scavengers” are just raiders with extra steps. Meanwhile Captain Ironsides has you repair the ship so it can begin is voyage again and even gives you a sweet hat for helping him, also caps.
So yes Captain Ironsides forever.
and a cannon...he gives you a freaking canon
The scavengers shoot you everytime you walk acros them, they are no more than raiders
Plus, killing the scavangers who told you to buzz off before you realise they were tied to a quest is a logical thing to do
Probably
@@Enes-wj5xq Actually, they tell you to back off before they shoot you, similar to gunners.
The difference between scavenger and raider is what they are willing to do
Scavenger’s don’t like dirty moral work. And raiders would kill and cook you if needed
6:47 even though he's primarily focused on beating the Chinese, I love the fact that he still takes the time to mention how he wants to beat the British and the Canadians for burning down the White House in the War of 1812.
300 years and still has a grudge against the Canadians. That’s a true patriot
in the fallout world, the us attacks, occupies then eventually annexes canada. and right up to the nukes dropping the canadians were still resisting via sabatose and guerrilla resistance.
In the fallout universe the usa is worse than china lol
@@jimboonie9885 They didn't do anything worse than what the communists did in real life.
@@jimboonie9885 the US is better by default regardless of what we’ve done
If we're being technical, the USS Constitution is a commissioned ship in the Navy, meaning Ironsides is the captain of a ship in the US Navy, technically speaking Ironsides is all that's left of the US Navy and may technically be the commander of all "US forces"
Also as the president is dead and no new one has been appointed in the line of succession would he not also be the president of United States
@@jasonpark3803 Thinking about it
It could be possible
If the line of succession is this messed up, Ironsides may well indeed technically be president
we live in a society
john smiff indeed
no offence but his navigator is as competent as VP pence and ironside's planning is that of Trump
I sided with the robots because
A. Yeah, Ironsides kills, but only because he is fired upon first, and even then he says to use lethal force when strictly necessary
B. Because a bunch of robots pretending to be 17th century naval captains in a rocket boat is freaking cool.
Flakey Bitsus also firing a cannon is awesome
@MRDRAXX everyone in Fallout is freaken insane
B lol
Also, he gives you a handheld cannon, which is also freaking cool
And now you have C scavengers are just a bunch of greedy backstabbers who can't be trusted
My reason to side with the robots was as easy as:
They are pirate robots
Don’t you mean, they be pirate robots
I had many reasons. 1 - the scavengers told me to gtfo their lawn just as I passed by, while the robots welcomed me; 2 - the scavengers attacked me while I was onboard; 3 - my son is a robot, my bff is a robot, my butler is a robot and I work freeing robots, so I'm a big fat robot lover alright.
Are ye a true Robo Pirate ay Scallywag?
You've made a very valid argument
what the heck makes you say they're pirates?
No ethical dilemma here.
The scavengers are backstabbing scum.
Waste 'em!
"We won't be killing anyone"
Try to kill you
No arguments here, I only just hate that most companions will prefer siding with those scavengers....
@@neilsonhans4763 That's why Ada is the best. She only hates stealing. But not mass murder. Isn't stolen when the owner isn't around.
@@dankbonkripper2845 Are you sure? I don't think he reacts to much even for cold-blooded murder since I always bring him along when I intend to wipe out an settlement. To me he is more of an automatron with personality but lack judgment.
@neilsonhans4763 when I say "hates" I mean the only thing she has a verbal que that isn't excited agreement is when you steal something. Ada doesn't have standard companion emotional levels, you do her quest as dlc and that's it. But she runs the mechanist factory and in currently taking Hancock with me to slaughter all the raiders in nuke world.
Wow, Cait just isn't happy with anything. You stick up for Ironsides, she makes a snide remark and dislikes it. You help the Scavengers, she agrees with it, and dislikes it.
Cait doesn't like much honestly.
Still I did like this quest. It also left a burning question. How did the robots gain access to DMV and Armed Service records? Is there some EMP hardened mainframe out there with a transceiver of the same?
sunac I got max affinity but taking a shit ton of drugs
Perhaps it was accessed through the National Park Services network?
EMP only temporarily knocks out devices, and depending on location, type of device, and a number of other factors, they may still function without repairs after the EMP has passed. I assume in a civilization that has such a preoccupation with nuclear power and weapons that many systems would be hardened against EMP. But that's merely a guess, even if it's backed up by the number of still-operating computers in the Fallout world.
Most government networks don't necessarily cross paths, but there is still the matter of if any mainframes survived the EMP from the nukes in the first place.
Robots only have a finite memory capacity. We know The Institute likely had surviving hardware given the presence of it in older sections of the complex, but I know of no college or university networks that connect to state run mainframes directly. It's all a puzzle really.
Speaking of EMP from nukes, wouldn't the destruction of The Institute create a strong EMP wave in the local area around it? Many a computer would likely be out of commission without safety measures.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: “I have the high ground.”
Ironsides: *laughs*
TachankaTHICC i don’t understand this but I love it
I saw this and I went YES THE PERFECT MEME
Also, might be just me, but Ironsides does sound like someone doing a semi-ok Vader impression through much of his dialogue.
Nicolas Fernandez Ironsides got the high ground on the sky scraper, and Kenobi had the high ground on Mustafar
Scavengers: "you underestimate our greed"
You gotta be one sick twisted monster to kill Ironsides instead of slaughtering those filthy savages.
I fully agree, or as a drunk Nate would say, "concur"
*not saying the Brotherhood would let the scavengers take the ship.
Would depend how you're role playing. If you're a dedicated BOS soldier, you may see these robots as a potential danger to humanity. They're gaining independent thought and could eventually rise beyond all their programming, viewing the Wastelanders as their true enemy. Ironsides already reprograms robots to serve his purposes so amassing an army of loyal robots isn't improbable. Very least, no true BOS soldier would choose robots over humanity.
@@overlorddante *Builds Liberty prime to destroy institute
@@titipezehealing4348 *who is under their control and doesn't have free will
@@overlorddante the constitution is a valuable piece of technology that no brotherhood soldier would just give to scavengers for money imagine the constitution flying alongside the prydwen
This would have been a huge and amazing opportunity to have the minutemen use the ship to fight against the brotherhood.
Maxson on the prydwin: (enjoy green tea) I love the smell of burnt synthetic in the mornin- what is that noise?
( USS Constitution crashes into the brotherhood blimp, and minutemen/robot aboard the Prydwin )
Maxson: Godamnit! Dense I want your team on deck imediatly! ..oh right
Preston: With this piece of history we can travel across the commonwealth and aid more settlm- (pauses) general I just marked another settlement who need help on your map
( USS Consitution leave )
Maxson: THE FUCK WAS THIS ABOUT!?
Dense: I don't know, but I came as soon as I heard the commotion Arthur. Awaiting your order
Maxson: HOW DID YOU GET HERE!?
@@psycholaw4394all happening while alarms are sounding and the Minutemen and BOS are somehow allied now
Imagine: the USS constitution takes off, going for a flyby of the prydwen, unleashing broadsides upon broadsides, incinerating the aircraft and everything under it.
Ending by landing on the ocean, sinking being remembered as heroes after serving a priceless service for the freedom of america.
Let's hope Jonathan Nolan sees your comment.
Scavenger: you lucky we dont gun you down
Me wearing a X0-1: *stares*
I have x-01 mark VI
jakob brow ok
@@JustAKomiFan i have 5 x -01 power armors mark vi with misc mods
You guys flexing x01s?
I got quantam X01 with jetpack kinetic and mark 7
My jaw drop that the ship started to fly. Then I laughed my rear off when it hit another building
Maybe if the ship banked to left or right , she would have missed the bank... 😄
Shit, now we’ll never reach Neverland.
Another bank no less
That other building also belonged to the bank it was on before LMAO
Maybe that was the point?
It’s almost everyday I hear:
“Grand Zealot Richter should’ve been a companion.”
“Chase should’ve been a companion.”
“Sierra Petrovita should’ve been a companion.”
But what everybody forgets is that simply put. “Captain Ironside should’ve been your only companion...”
Sieverts if he could be ur companion automatron doc would've made him badass
I've thought since I first found him a bit after the game came out that Captain Ironside should have been a companion. Also, I can never side against him.
well all i can see in his avatar is Jason Sudikis so
he's great until he overheats and had to wait 10 seconds before going back into combat.
I wish the Constitution could be a settlemet or you could send it to a settlement of your choice, that way you could hang out with Ironsides even though he's not a companion.
“How in the hell did a ship get all the way up there?!”
“You know how. And it’s the end of the quest.”
“How the hell did a ship get all the way up there?!”
“Cait, are you drunk?”
“How the hell did a ship get all the way up there?!”
“CAIT! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! WE’VE BEEN THROUGH THIS!”
@Mellie lll looooool
Theres a few quests where companions do that
I was with C0dsw0rth when d0ing this quest and he seemed t0 be where he bel0nged. Als0, WHY D0 THE C0MPANI0NS HAVE T0 REPEAT THAT EVERY TIME WE PASS THE SHIP SHDHDHDHD
@@zxmbievxmit Ada was worse with hers "did you manage to stop the mechanist?" Ada you were with me you saw me cut her head off and launch a mini nuke into the control center
@@tezlaactual6582 0h I didn't kn0w that but thanks
Wait, you get a dislike from Cait by aiding Ironsides and you get a dislike by agreeing to aid the scavengers? That woman is hard to please at times.
You've learned a valuable lesson about all women, right here.
Henrik Gyllkrans she's a bag of damaged goods that's why...I can't blame her from her fucked up past
@@I_am_a_cat_ lol
@MRDRAXX could not have said it better myself...
The best way to please her is to pick locks when she is by u...she loves that shit
I helped IronSides... hell i am British, he is trying to preserve the USA and it's history and not through barbaric means... i fully supported his endeavour.
Another Brit... Still getting my head around why the Yanks don't spot the references;
To defend the Constitution or scrap it...
Huzzah and thank you!
--from an American
Good point teabag, good point
As a someone who is British I fully want Ironsides or win the war and beat are asses
For me, my brotherhood character I would imagine he'd feel that the robots were trying to save humanity through means of destruction of the chinese
You should only side Ironsides, when has anybody in the Commonwealth Wastes ever fired warning shots? Or said "kill them only has a last resort"
Thats troublesome because Ironsides may represent what the good the old Commonwealth once was but its not genuine. It was the past and expecting the scavengers to understand is wrong... the scavengers are what they are: people just trying to get by in this day and age. Ironsides has a right to defend... however, do think what would have happened if Ironsides makes it to the sea? Eventually (assuming they can make it) someday they will come across another broken part of the world and hold his old ideals on these people and its your responsibility for wasting time and resources to take away from the people's potential.
@@kiddykitsune8158 but it's the people that are the problem in this scenario not the robots
@@Ro-Ghost no, again this implies who and what they are is causality. It is actions and how responsible said individual(s) are to those said actions. Furthermore, truth be told due to damage done by each choice it's up to whose ideals hold fairer judgement responsibly.
@@kiddykitsune8158 All they wanted was caps 'money', they were willing to destroy someone or something for their own gain. they are not any more moral than every other NPC in the game. I wish they had an option to get the Constitution in the water somewhere, preferably to the Atlantic and be used as a trade and coast guard ship. As a settlement it is a great place to put all your Robots and Railroad Synths.
@Trevor Reasoner he is kind of a keanu reeves but a robot
The First Mate protectron always makes me laugh. Their completely monotonous yet desperate desire to murder you on sight and the sassy comebacks they have are so good.
Damn you, Weatherby savings and loan!
This line is really funny
I spit at you!
While Cait may have interesting dialogue about this, I found Preston to be more fun. He was for the whole "congressional army" thing.
I personally agree with those who wanted a Minutemen ending on this quest. Preston could've called the Minutemen from the Castle, fighting through the scavengers, then guarding the ship. Eventually guiding it correctly to the Atlantic.
technically speaking, all they would need to do is give the Constitution a new Surgeon and maybe a box of robot parts.The Surgeon could fix the Bosun, who would then fix the ship and they would probably be able to continue face-tanking skyscrapers all the way to the Atlantic.
Albert 😂🤣😂🤣 you made my day
@@alberttrita5858 and in turn take out downtown Boston Gunners, Raiders, Supermutants etc with debris
Cait’s dialogue is nonsense. She doesn’t like it when you help almost anyone in the game, even the sick boy in Vault 81, so why the hell would she favor helping the scavengers? (Then again, according to the affinity, she doesn’t like you helping either the scavengers or robots)
You could still use the artillery grenades to waste them
There should’ve been an ending where you as the Minutemen used the constitution and fought the prydwen with the cannons... would’ve been such a cool air battle, broadsiding the prydwen and firing cannons
That would be insane........................
And awesome.
Someone should make that a mod.
That would be insane!
If only Bethesda put that in the game :(
Excellent!
Nope, i am sided with both BoS and Minuteman also with Railroad
I got the feeling this might be a nod to Monty Pythons "The Crimson Permanent Assurance" skit in the Meaning if life. A pirate ship crashing into banks. All the British accents.
Not a pirate ship
It's a reference to the War of 1812, when a combined Brithish and Canadian force invaded the US and burned the White House, along with a section of Washington DC.
This is definitely a reference.
"Damn you Weatherby Savings and Loan!" is by far, without a shadow of a doubt, my favorite Fallout 4 quote, I need that on a shirt so bad hahahaha
Right? Ox should put it on shirt with a pic of Ironsides underneath. lol
“Opposition: Sand, Gravel, and *Communism.*”
All the robots have such Golden lines
"I would despair, but it appears my despair emulator has been forcibly removed."
-Bosun
I lol when he said that
whoever was in charge of making this quest must have had a lot of fun, the voice acting is really good as well
Lmao for real it's a fun quest to play
Is it just me or does ironside sound a lot like james earl Jones?
@@emrik99 He could have been a great Darth Vader if they ever want to continue doing animated shows with Vader in it.
Ironsides and his crew are adorable and they have more heart then most of the people in the Commonwealth why I sided with them and not the Scavengers
And they're also literal robot pirates which is never not awesome
@@robertramirez9251 there not pirates their US navy sailors on the USS constitution and are trying to get to the water to defend the Atlantic ocean from enemies
@@tylersoto7465 well let's be real you see a ship with canons, filled with robots, a sentry bot that has a hat a pirate would wear, and you get a canon for a weapon if you side with the robot.
@@tylersoto7465 also another thing the general minuteman uniform can make a good pirate outfit with a sword and the broadsider. Oh and to quote Moe, I like my version better
@@robertramirez9251 which is awesome , I will would love a pirate faction in fallout 4 more than minutemen or railroad so much more liberty and freeing lol
Oxhorn: these robots aren't alive
Also Oxhorn: Synth's are alive
Alive in a biological sense, perhaps? Good point.
I value these robots mor than synths. They are more human to me than a synth will ever be.
Well synth's and robots are different for one thing the synth's are prettier.
Synths are indistinguishable from humans save for the one chip inside them.
Them being able to be turned off can just be put down to hypnosis. It's a real thing. You can "program" a human into responding to certain stimulus.
People with PTSD who have panic attacks from a sound or smell are effectively hypnotized to react that way.
@@PlayBoX-qq9kr you need to spend more time with curie and that will change
I loved this quest so much! The captain was the best bit. "Damn you Weatherby Savings and Loan!"
".., i spit at you"
Best part is how it goes from one Weatherby building to another.
For real. It was one of those "Are you fucking kidding me?" moments.
did you climb the tower the ship crashed on to get the rare/unique admiral hat? that was my favourite part. the hat and broadsider go together so well!
Hazzatron 2000 yea as soon as I saw it crash I was like are you shitting me and I went up there to make sure my favourite robot in the game didn't die lmao😂😂😂😂
Am I the only person who thought it was strange/ funny that the Constitution flew OVER water and crashed into the tower?
when I first saw that I did the Benny hill reverse salute at it lol
Odassia I completely LOL'd when that happened. And I genuinely laughed, none of that straight-faced loling.
The order was two points to starboard. If he'd given the order "Two points to Port", he'd be in the water.
Odassia To the point of crying because he was so serious🤣 then I realized he did it on purpose😑 I'm still beyond confused.
I died when there was a pause the crash and then him saying...Victory at last!
i see no dilemma. do you side with the nice robots with their humble, positive and amusing attitude? or do you side with the people that almost killed you and are practically betraying diamond city and in the end even you?
These robots don't have a heart but still share more love than these people.
Aye, robots it is!
Der Fliegende Mocca I agree, the quest never has you specifically kill the scavengers. You are helping the robots they dont like it and attack you.
Well, for example, I have disliked robots since F2, so I would anyway prefer people, who are cunts, to any kind of robot/synth
Andrew Telitsa why?
Beverly Archer just how I feel about it, no reason
Huzzah!
0:09 often is an understatement. Decon felt the need to tell me about it every second or so for the entire hour I did this quest.
"Oh that? That's the USS Constitution. I hear it's parked up there for ...(Pause for comic timing)... tax purposes."
Same piper for me would not stfu like omg 😆
Nick Valentine was having quite the dilemma too , kept asking himself "I don't know what I find more disturbing - the fact that there's a ship lodged in that building or that there's still a ship lodged in that building."
dear god… no!
"I’m confused, this didn’t sail up here, right?"
i also had decon with me during this quest lol i wish he had more to say about it though
Fun fact: my 6 or 7x great grandfather worked on building the USS Constitution after giving up life as a pirate.
That is supremely cool.
My 7x Grandfather did as well!
That is cool mate.
Awesome!
That’s awesome
"Robots do feel pain, but in extremely slow motion"
Pear Rahna shoot a synth 11 years later *dies*
Daniel Renwick yes a clap-trap tells you that at the start
Me: (hits robot)
Robot: (very slowly) Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ttttttttttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttt hhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttttttt yyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuu jjjjjjjjjjjjjjeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkk!
High on jet?
Epic clap-trap reference
I just love Ironside as a character, he's just great.
Also, why can't I put a pirate hat on my Sentry Bots?
Navy hat, not Pirate hat. There's a difference between sailors and pirates
Whatever, I still want to know why I can't put one on my sentry bot!
your sentry bots are not as good as ironsides!!!!!!!
His voice is kind of close to Darth Vaders.
*Cough* You're welcome - www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/11278 It also allows Codsworth's bowler hat alongside automatron improvements and Takahashi's chef hat.
As an honorably discharged US Navy veteran the scavengers did not take one more breath than it took for them to say they were basically going to destroy the oldest commission warship in the US Navy.
Fun fact about "Old Ironsides" her exceptionally thick hull as you describe it wasn't the only reason that cannons had trouble piercing the hull of the Constitution. The Constitution's hull was made by layering hard and soft woods, which created an effect like some modern day body armors. I'm not sure if the constitution was the first to use this construction method but it wasn't common at the time.
That's pretty fascinating. I wonder if they did any ballistics tests for the materials back then.
Justin David I watched a documentary way back when that said that the more were these old school Chinese sailing ships that had fortified front ends to ram the other ship. If I recall they fortified it in a similar way. Wood layering with a metal plate on the front. And this was like way way way back when they were still one of the only countries with gun powder.
Now doing my homework. The reason she got the nickname "Old Ironsides". Is her encounter and victory against the HMS Guerriere. During the battle. The Constitution fired and struck the Guerriere's mizzenmast and reduced maneuverability of the British Warship because of it dragging in the water. The Guerriere unable to maneuver ends up crashing right into the side of the Constitution. Rigging of both ships become tangled and Guerriere's bow gun in effective range. Fires. Though only destroying the Captain's Quarters. Both ships' Captains did an order for boarding but do to the heavy seas. Neither could board the other effectively.
Through the course of the battle. Both ships start to twist and were now broad side one another. The Constitution fires a few more broadsides into the British ship causing more heavy damage. The waves and weather finally ripped both ships apart. Causing the masts of the Guerriere to collapse. Basically making the Guerriere a floating hulk of a mess. So in turn suffering a third of her crew loses to death and wounding. The British surrender.
The Captain of the Constitution did surprise the British with the Constitution's strong broadside and sailing ability. That the British guns could not punch through the hull of the American Warship. It was stated that an American sailor cried out, "Huzzah! Her sides are made of Iron!" That is where the old girl got her nickname "Old Ironsides".
As for the HMS Guerriere after this fight. Well, the ship was so badly beaten that she was impossible to tow back to port. So the American Captain ordered the British crew to be taken on board and the ship burned. On making it back to homeport. The crew of the USS Constitution found out word spread rather fast of their battle and were hailed as heroes.
/White Oak/Live Oak/White Oak/
These materials in this construction for the hull of the Constitution as well as her unique and robust framing made her one tough ship and could've easily outclassed frigates of her class.
Imagine if they made it out of Australian Buloke or Brazilian Ipe.
33:10 "That's got to be the best pirate I've ever seen!"
"So it would seem."
*Pirates of the Caribbean theme plays*
why does everyone think they're pirates? not once did they pirate anything. you do know that a pirate is basically just a sea raider, right?
@@benthomason3307 You do realize he didn't say they're pirates? It's a meme. From a movie.
After seeing this comment I can just hear the theme
Love your pfp comrade
Being in love with history, when cait comments on burning the ship, my face contorted
Same! For something that old and strong, with such an amazing historical background to have survived as long as it has, the very idea of turning it to scrap or burning it makes me feel sick.
the way mandy talks makes me feel like im having a stroke
This should be renamed to "The Most Recent Flight of the USS Constitution".
She WILL fly again!! :D
"you lucky we don't gun you down"
Me:do you see the futuristic Armour his wearing or the fact that he has a f*cking LASER MACHINE GUN
I r r e l I v e n t
The Dovakhiin: [walks into town wearing full suit of legendary daedric armor]
some kid: "I thought adventurers were supposed to look tough."
"You're lucky that we don't gun you down."
Me: Bitch, I killed multiple super mutants, raiders and gunners armed with firearms with only a serrated combat knife, some scavengers won't be a challenge
I was so upset that threats or intimidation did not become available as options in that exchange.
Should be a perk that makes low level raiders run away if you're in full power armor
The best part of this quest is that the quest-giver sounds like an inexhaustibly exuberant Darth Vader
Flibber Nodgets I was just thinking the same thing haha
Now I want a sequel where Ironsides gets tossed into lava and has to replace one limb with a fleshy one.
"The quaint vulgarity of the common soldier." Or in other words, "The healthy humour of the honest Tommy." *Slaps*
“That is where you are wrong! Now we command the high ground.”
*Obi-wan liked that*
43:40 - "Hey, you know that guy who came in, broke the months-long stalemate and dealt with an entire ship full of millitary robots that had constantly driven us back and killed us, on our behalf, single-handedly, and was willing to simply take a share of the loot and not all of it? Let's try and kill them! I'm sure this will go well!"
They're not very smart.
MGlBlaze here's some more fallout logic
"Hey, isn't that the guy/girl that escaped a vault with nothing, killed Kellog and a bunch of synth single handedly, and destroyed the institute? And he/she also said in that paper they like blowing things up. And they are in X-01 power armor with a fat man and have a super mutant buddy who ALSO has a fatman? Yeah, I'm gonna mug them with my trusty pipe pistol! I'm sure that nothing bad will happen! If they attack, I can just shoot them!"
-Every fallout raider ever
Newer Broom Heh. While it could be argued that the average raider won’t know who you are or have heard of your exploits, it does amaze me how willing they are to take on someone who so obviously outguns them!
JosieJOK yeah, although sometimes, I wish that Bethesda made it so the raiders and gunners "evolved" with the player and got tougher as you leveled up. Getting more advanced armor and weapons, and eventually they get actual power armor. Would make the game much more fun.
Newer Broom I agree!
Newer Broom - you basically just described what they tried to do with Oblivion, and it was pretty awful. Although that may have been more to do with how you could actually gimp yourself by leveling up too frequently because of how the game handled player stat increases.
On the subject of morality, I believe the robots are in the right. They just want to be left alone, they have not attacked, only defended themselves. When considering Codsworth, Curie, KL-E-O, P.A.M., or the robots of Grey Garden: I believe many robots left active for 200 years have become self aware. Maybe not truly people like Gen 3 Synths, but AI none the less. And to have a group of raiders who sell to towns, scavengers, attack 17 times is just over agressive jerks who might wipe out my lovely Grey Garden next. Scavengers bad, Ironsides good.
Yeah but these robots don't need caps for food guns, ammo, etc... so I personally went with the scavengers
Jurassic Pranks but then the scavengers betray you...
Jurassic Pranks Then they should started farming.
G Turpin lol so you'd really side with robots instead of helping actual people?
Yes, especially since that was the first time I talked with a scavenger. They always shoot first and die. At least the reboots value human life.
How the ship hasn't already burned down with all the Mr Handy retrothrusters is a miracle in itself.
*What I think is the most beneficial option:*
1. Get the parts needed for the ship
2. Go to the scavengers, ask Mandy for the 500 caps, then change your mind, causing them to open fire on you.
3. Launch the ship as normal. Scavengers dealt with, mission success, your pockets are full with caps, and everyone's happy... or well... dead.
I like to think given the option, the Ironsides would ally with the Minutemen, in fact, the U.S.S Consitution could operate as the Minutemen's own Predwyn!
JakeSpacePirate E I think it was a huge missed opportunity. The minutemen could've allied with Ironsides and raided the Predwyn using the ship.
Many missed opportunity's are present within this game. Reprogramming Liberty Prime for the Minutemen and attacking the Brotherhood, making more 'Director' choices with the institute, destroying the main factions with the Nuka-World raiders, challenging Elder Maxon to the title of Elder... *Sigh* The list goes on. ;(
Well the minutemen did exist during the time the ship was built
JakeSpacePirate E here's the thing. There is cut content where you could have challenged elder Maxon together with Danse for leadership of the Brotherhood. Huge missed opportunity.
23:09
"Thank god. I almost thought you were buyin' into that whole 'pirate' thing."
"Cait disliked that"
"Damn you Wetherby Savings and Loan! I spit at you!"
"Damn you weatherby savings and loans!! I spit at you." Gets me every time 😂😂
Siding with the scavengers just broke my heart. . .
Well, that ship is sailing between banks.
get it?
Yes😂😂
Dude I almost sprayed soda all over my screen 🤣
Lol it sails trough the air only to land on another even higher builing.
I laughed when i saw it crashland on the other building.
A succesfull launch ironsides called it.
*exits power armour and jumps off prydwen*
Ha
I think its really cute how the Protectons mention that they must protect the Constitution. Of course, it refers to the document, not the ship. :P
Surrealist Gal
Why do you say that? They were reprogrammed by Ironsides and the ship is the Constitution.
windex
Oh I confused alright but I understand that the ship is named after the document but the Protectrons are definitely talking about the ship
That's not true. The United States military's, and all it's robots, goal is to defend the document.
List of Importance:
-The Document (As in it's ideology)
-The Government
-The People
-The Nation (As in land)
"if that answer is not to your satisfaction. I'm afraid you must make your peace with it"
I'll be using this line from now on.
I always side with Ironsides. He’s just too great!
Did... we all just get Charisma Checked by a robot?
Nat 20, he has us all!
Yes
Does it matter if we did?
People should side with Ironsides for the simple fact that he represents the good that America once was. He has honor, integrity, and a strong sense of ethics just like any good military commander would have so helping him preserves good qualities of the Fallout version of America.
@Caesarslegion1 dirty scavver
@Caesarslegion1 imagine thinking that's relevant? Nice job stalking my account just because I disagree with you in a RUclips comment chain lmfao where did you even find out I "like manga"
Poor you
Caesarslegion1
You’re regarded logic.
Words like those get such praise from a bot that says sir
@Caesarslegion1lmao, wtf!? :'DDDD How's manga any relevant to this thread?? X'DD
The constitution is a precious piece of history. I'd be loathe to let the scavengers destroy it.
eric saylor stop.
Kekistanis are not Alt-Right.
All races and creeds are welcome in Kekistan.
All religions.
Praise Kek, Trump For 2020 and normie get the fuck out.
eric saylor number one, you are the SJW, SJWs say all the shit you're saying.
I am completely against xenophobia, sexism and ableist rights.
And human rights abuses? Obama inprisioned ILLEGAL children first.
Stop it, get some help. PS my mayor is Muslim, and I support him wholeheartedly.
eric saylor and my president, Big Man Tyrone is black, and i will vote for him in the next Kekistani elections.
eric saylor Kekistan was founded by Sargon, who has black ancestry, a mixed race dude, a middle eastern man and a white dude.
We are inclusive.
Just.
Stop.
Research your fucking facts before shoving you foot in your mouth.
You are Fucking shit Trump is a fucking racist shitlord with the intelligence of a broken hair dryer So why don't you take your white nationalism and goddamn privilege and shove It you not fooling anyone we can see though your blatant shitty facade fuck off pepe
34:54 I believe that here Ironsides was possessed by the friendly spirit Obi-Wan-Kenobi
I thought the same thing
@@Karzipp same over here
yet he sounds like he's voiced by Darth Vader
If synths can be people, then robots can be as well. I can't kill ironsides and never have.
I was thinking the same thing only more in the context of my playthrough being a railroad agent, and applying the values of my role-play would make the decision clear. If I were doing a BoS playthrough it might be a different story.
Well it's a question of what defines a man? The conflict with the Institute vs the Railroad really is one where the Institute says: "We built them, they are machines meant to service us". While the Railroad says: "They're sapient beings with their own thoughts and desires, and that's enough to warrant personhood and freedom".
The interesting question for me is the Robots. We see time and time again in the Fallout Universe robots that have achieved Sapience. Have in fact transcended into True AI really. From ED-E in the Mojave, to Codsworth and CVRIE in Fallout 4. And Ironsides would be one of them as well. He CHOSE to overcome his own initial programming, chose to adopt a lifestyle he believed in, and chose his own goals and purpose, ideals and culture.
The problem for me is Bethesda really swerves that question outside of Gen 3 Synths because of CVRIE. Even though as a robot she definitely showing such sapience and desires like Ironsides does. Choosing her own fate, to bypass or negate her programming, even her own desires to leave her post and explore the world... the game's script after Memory Interrupted, when you put her in a Gen 3 Synth Body tries to act like the robot CVRIE didn't have those things. That it was only after being turned into a Synth that she had any glimmer of emotion, desires, goals, independence, etc.
It's a really odd thing. I'm not sure if it was just a left hand not telling the right what it was doing storyline and thematically, or if it was a case of just some blindness to the questions they were bringing up and why it wouldn't apply to Robots with similar traits.
@@hitomisalazar4073 in my personal opinion and observations it seems like robots get more personality and stuff as they get older. Like there are some robots out there who are completely self reliant and know exactly what's happening... Like that assultron in Goodneighbor. Another example is Curie like you mentioned. Or even the bartender in the third rail. I highly doubt someone programed him to be a sketchy mob guy. Just seems alot of robots developed their own ideas and changed from their former programing... Or at least added on to it. Just my thoughts
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Wadsworth:Good morning sir what can i do for you?
Vault Dweller:Tell me a joke.
ichangemynameeverydayandiverunoutofideas :} war does not determine who is right, only who is left
(*Playful growl*)
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(or as my mom calls them, a murrlurr den)
Me: You are by far the worst captain I have heard of.
Ironsides: Aye! But you have heard of me!
Out of all the times I’ve played this quest and heard other people talk about it, I somehow had no clue until now that you could visit Ironsides and his crew after they crash into the skyscraper
I always kinda figured the scavengers would double-cross you, and I like robots, especially ones who fight only for self-defense. That automatically makes them better than at least half of the humans you meet in Fallout 4 since a big chunk are raiders, gunners, or some other unscrupulous people and they usually try to kill you. Hence, I always side with the robots. Plus they were there first, also I'd rather not let a bunch of scavvers tear apart a historical treasure for salvage. It's safer on top of that skyscraper.
i mean the gunners are mercenaries and when you run into them it is mostly at their outposts or fortifications so they technically are defending themselves.
Storm Trooper #286931 Tell that to the gunners who invaded Quincy. Gunners open fire even when you meet them out away from their outposts and fortifications. They're basically militarized raiders.
Stoßtruppen they don't defend themselves for me, I'm just walking along and then 20 gunners open fire on me.
The people in this quest are awful, I am totally for the robots.
There’s actually a mod that puts the SS constitution
On my first playthrough, I thought these were enemies so I attacked him. Bad news is I did not beat Ironsides, so I ran away.
Later in the game, I went with the BoS route. I was going to the Prydwen on a Vertibird when I saw the USS Constitution and Ironsides tried to attack me, but failed.
After beating the game, I decided to research the USS Constitution. That's when I found this video. I was an idiot.
Adam Rodriguez lol
I first was hesitant when approaching them as I was only about level 12 and I went into VATS to scout it out and saw Ironsides with a Skull next to his health bar and sprinted the other way 🤣
That's what I do now. If I see someone who I think may be an enemy, I just lock onto them in VATS. Friendly NPC won't light up red
Love it when he says "in a mere century we will take to the ocean".
32:48
Cait: "How in the hell did a ship get all the way up there?"
**Sailor voice*
Stow it for a sec, bonny lass, and you'll see how...
Why does almost everyone skip the fact that robots in the commonwealth actually have free will?
It's just their programming that makes it seem that way.
@Bigdrake good luck killing library prime
Bigdrake No, Curie and Codsworth are national treasures of Commonwealth.
I live in Boston and I absolutely love the lore of this game I live right next to the shipyard that this ship is docked in. It sails once and a while and it's beautiful
Same I used to live in Boston in the USS constitution is truly beautiful
Can't see how anyone could seriously argue which side of this is the morally good choice. The scavengers are out for themselves, and their argument that they're not attacking people is irrelevant, because they're not holding back from harming humans for any reason beyond the simple circumstances that there aren't humans on board. As soon as a human gets in their way--as soon as a human does so much as dip a little into their profit margin--the majority of them have *no qualms* about killing that human, and even those that do, like Mandy, will still support that majority enough to be there to take part in it. It's situational circumstances, not moral convictions or personal beliefs, that separate this group of scavengers from groups like the Gunners.
The real irony here is that many of the most valuable salvageable items to be found on the ship are those taken from elsewhere in the Commonwealth. Instead of teaming up to take a single ship of robots, these scavengers could have worked together in a group like this to take a location like the Corvega plant, somewhere with a ton more salvage (some of it apparently similar to what's on the ship to begin with) and considerably lesser defenses (even a well-fortified raider gang is child's play compared to a ship of combat robots with height advantage and canons). These fools could have been getting more with fewer casualties and doing the Commonwealth some good, if they weren't so short-sighted and stubborn.
TheRPGenius Irony and Ironsides. I don't know if you meant to do that or not, but bravo for that my dude
My problem with Ironsides is his objective. You say that Ironsides values human life, but he only values American life. One of the first things he says is that he’s gonna go continue the war with China. Whether he’d attack Chinese citizens or ghouls, now just trying to live their life after also likely being nuked, who knows, but I’m not going to take the chance
The thing is, you aren't aware that the scavengers have no qualms about attacking you if you side with them. If you did, the choice would be easier.
@@JoelCarli *Betrayed*
Cait: Thank god you didn't side with the robots.
Also Cait: Cait disliked that.
The USS Constitution is not a museum ship, it is still to this day a commissioned vessel in the United States Navy. Admittedly it is for historic reasons, however, the status of the ship is "Active"
It is kind of a floating museum in the sense it's maintained for the sake of historical preservation, not for modern military missions,. But you're are correct in that it's still considered an actively commissioned vessel in the U.S. Navy, making it the oldest ship still designated as such.
Which is why I disagree with the scavengers' claim to the ship. Its not derelict, its still being maintained by the designated crew, albeit robotic. As a member of the Minutemen (Basically the National Guard) it would behoove the player to render any assistance needed to the US Navy warship and pushing for payment and bounties may have been a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
James Williams I was thinking the same. since the captain is a military robot, wouldn't that mean (since he is the captain) that he is technically an active duty naval officer? If so then that means that the scavengers are attacking an active military ship with active military crew. Not only have they attacked the vessel, but they've killed members of said crew and stolen from the ship. Wouldn't that make the scavengers enemies of the state?
The captain certainly acts like a naval officer. Except that he drafts you because he can and expects you to immediately snap to it when he says to do things.
The real world USS Constitution's "active" status is maintained by the fact that they periodically take her to sea. So she's a functional, if antiquated vessel.
Oh and the UCMJ also requires the military to pay you. :p Granted the pay structure is different, but unless Captain Ironsides is going to give me a salary, then he's gonna have to settle for what he gets.
Bet you're fun at parties m8
The last flight of the U.S.S Constitution, a story of bravery, undying hope, and chasing your dreams, even when they seem out of reach. Never stop believing you'll one day take off the ground too.
With regards to Ironsides' belief that the war with China is ongoing, I'd like to say that his thought process most likely goes something like: "The last data I received said that a state of war existed between the US and China. Until and unless I hear otherwise, I must assume that this state of war still exists."
Foolish perhaps, but it does have a certain logic to it.
For the record, I sided with Ironsides the first time I came across this, if only because I found him amusing, and I wanted to see the ship fly.
X2
I wonder why Cait didn't wonder out loud "how the hell did a ship end up there?" when it landed on the skyscraper.
Thanks for showing what the scavengers do if you side with them; I would never have learned that on my own. Ironsides shows greater humanity than any of those trash.
The thickness of Constitutions hull wasn't the only thing that made it so strong, the old growth lumber of America used to make it was harder than the wood used to make European ships
wiley peeper She T H I C C
When the ship finally took off i was feeling so nostalgic for Disney's Treasure Planet
I just love the fact Ironsides curses the bank "Damn you, Weatherby Savings and Loan!" :D
I don't have a problem with killing off these scavengers. In the end the give you no choice of handing them the ship and it's scrap without it resulting in your death. This makes them no better than raiders
I looked at the ship and I immediately thought:
*Treasure Planet???*
Same
Loved the mission. Always side with the robots. Side with "humanity" and honour above making a buck. Screw the backstabbing scrappers
This is genuinely one of- if not the best quest I've played in a game. Ever. Captain Ironsides is so funny and amazing, he's unique and especially as a sentry bot the fact you get to talk to him and play pirates and sailors with him is wonderful. I think even the baby of Stalin and Hitler would say you're a heartless bastard for turning on the crew. While the scavengers could use the caps the scrap brings it doesn't make it any less bad. These bots welcomed you onto their ship and even hundreds of years after Nuclear anhilation and thousands if not tens of thousands of caps worth of scrap and weapons on them they've persisted and toughed it through, still wanting to fight and die for us, even if it was programmed, just because helping poor scavengers is good doesn't make killing the bots not bad. It's less morally gray and more like a flaming battle of white vs. black depending on your personal stance, either way you gotta be pure evil to not atleast hesitate a little about killing them with all their funny, awesome quirks and incredible resiliance. For them to survive longer then 8 entire generations of people and for you to be the one that snuffs out that flame of resiliance that could go on to be helpful and useful for centuries to come is just h*cked up my dood.
It's great but definitely not the best.
You need to play the Witcher 3 if you want to see the best quests in gaming. Do the bloody baron questline, holy shit.
I sided with the scavs
Roast me
I'm really glad that I helped the robots the very first time I played through this quest, especially after I've seen the other ending now!
I still think that seeing it launch and hit the other building was by far the best quest end in the whole game.
It certainly made laugh anyway!
I gotta say, I do not agreed with the whole "I'm a scavenger too" thing and I don't think is immoral to kill them and this is why: first of all, we do not board the ship to scavenge it, we do because we are "invited" by Ironsides crew; second, as you show in this brilliant video, no mater what you do to help the scavengers, in the end they still want to kill you. I know, at the time you don't know that and It's is a choice of robot over human but at the end, it was the robots the most human ones in this quest. I love this quest, the characters are spot on and all that work just to end in the top of another building? Classic. Sorry for the bad grammar (English is not my native language and didn't had the opportunity to write in a while). Keep up the good work and please continue to "peel" the wonderful world of Fallout!
Filipe Fragoso
But in the game the character said i’m a scavenger
I think siding with Ironsides is more benevolent. He might be a robot but he is sentient, much like Codsworth, Ada, and Nick, all of whom are also trustworthy and good. Plus Ironsides likely really does want to defend the Eastern coast while the scavengers will only care about themselves and are not going to spare you even if you side with them while Ironsides only attacks if you betray them
I chose Ironside because my historic side wants the constitution to continue it's fight, they may be robots but they're living beings as well, the scavengers are trying to make a living but they don't care about the well being for others only themselves, this may be the apocalypse but civilization is rebuilding and there are rules again but people like raiders, a few scavengers, and etc. are breaking them just for themselves.
That's all I have to say
Dimas Arellano wrote: "they may be robots but they're living beings as well"
Also if you side with the settlers then they will betray you in the end.
i agree with u i would take the bots side as well .
I don’t want to join The Brotherhood of Steel, or The Railroad, or the Institute, or the Minutemen. I only want to join Captain Ironsides and his crew, and cruise around helping the Commonwealth on their ship. Garvey will come aboard, install the coordinates a settlement that needs help into our guidance chip. And then we can go and crash our ship into the settlement. The settlement won’t/can’t need help, if there is no settlement.
Comedy aside;
What I did was side with Ironsides. What I did differently to some maybe most, was I killed Mandy and her crew of Davis and a couple of mercenaries in our first encounter. I know this sounds evil, but hear me out.
Their group tried to kill the player (yes she says she wasn’t in on the attack, but then she also lied about helping orphans, and lied about splitting the reward with the player, then tried to kill the player again), then they tried to buy the player’s loyalty. Clearly they are terrible people only in it for themselves which makes them a threat to not only the player and the robots, but also any other survivors in the Commonwealth who has something that Mandy and her gang want. Therefore I made the decision to remove that threat, before anyone else was hurt. In these decisions every variable needs to be considered, both whatever is occurring in the now, and any future consequences to your actions.
Back on how Mandy and crew decide to kill the player despite their help, who knows how many other people they’ve already done this to.
I believe that siding with Captain Ironsides and his crew is the most ethical choice as they value life, are far more humane, and have deeper personality then the scavengers/raiders attacking them. Based off how the robots have developed their own personalities I’d go as far to say if it’s unethical to kill synths, then it is unethical to kill Captain Ironsides and his crew. I could go deeper into the comparison with synths, but I don’t want to make this comment a full on essay😂.
Another thing that makes killing the robots unethical is the betrayal required. If they were evil then it’s fine. If your fighting for a side that you find out is evil, obviously it would be wrong to continue helping them. But the robots aren’t evil. Evidence of this is when the scavengers/raiders were trying to kill them, and Ironsides still told his crew to spare them if possible. They are not evil. They are honest, companionate, loyal and devoted to their mission. Also, unlike Mandy and her group, they’ll actually pay you for your efforts. They value hard work.
But at the end of the day ethics and being morally good are merely concepts of our personal realities. As an example Thanos believed wiping out half the universe was ethical, however I’m pretty sure most of us would disagree. I know that’s from a movie, but I’m afraid that many people have grown soft, and may get offended if I apply a real world example that associates with them. So to spare myself the trouble of needless arguments we’ll just use Thanos.
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@benjamin ramsey You must have missed the part about Thanos where I said;
“I’m pretty sure most of us would disagree.” The keyword in that sentence being ‘us’.
As for our other disagreement, I would argue that if you look at politics, and the left and right wing, you would see that both wings see themselves as good, and the other side as evil. Which is a real world example of good being a personal concept.
Also just quickly, I’m more then happy to listen to and consider your points and ideas, so long as we can keep it civilised.
So basically Bethesda is trash
Honestly it would be the coolest thing if President Ironsides teamed up with the minutemen and you could use the shop as a counterpart to the prydwen.
@@natenate4980 Dude that would be awesome. Imagine using the ship to fly over and bombard raider strongholds.
Act like a raider, get treated like a raider
Back in 2020, we used to call them rioters and looters.
@@dakoderii4221 Lol
@@dakoderii4221 Rooters N' Looters! Ha ha ha!
Man the way you narrate these quests is fantastic, all I wanna do is play games but I have a full time job. The way you script these videos make it perfect to listen to while I work.
Its not like there isnt loads of "salvage" around in various buildings around those scavengers, like in Arcjet, or the other factories, so why they absolutely must have a wooden ship full of battle robots is beyond me.
I did a play thru where I helped the scavengers and they betrayed me anyway... so now they get the gift of a quick death. (I usually make sniper characters.) very satisfying to drop them all from a roof a few blocks away without them ever knowing where you were. Serves em' right.
And if you paid attention to the tone of the scavengers on first meeting them, you could probably predict where it was heading anyway. How you got to that point is another question entirely.
Luzur but who wouldn't want a wooden ship with battle robots though?
I role-play that, as the General of the Minutemen, I make a deal with Ironsides, so that if he ever makes it to the Atlantic, that he will captain the Constitution as the Flagship of the Minutemen Navy. If the scavengers attack our flagship... well, do I need to explain?
You know what really sucked, How close the ship was to the water before it took off
Ironsides: “we have the high ground” Obi Wan kenobi: “hold my beer”
I went into this with the assumption that I was invited onto the ship by SOMEONE. Invited into someone's home. My experiences with Codsworth, Whitechapel Charlie, Ada, and Kleo made me respect some robots as people because their programming has expanded (perhaps due to error over hundreds of years to some semblance of sapience). Your average protection or sentrybot is just a mindless machine carrying out a task, but Ironsides is immediately noticeable as different. He was probably originally just intended to be a tour guide of the boat, but the realities of the war made him expand his own role on his own. He reprogrammed the others to have more personality, but I'm not sure what they did before the war. Maintenance of the boat? Security when a tour was closed? Who knows? First Mate is clearly a repurposed police robot. Anyway, he's not Button Gwinnett from Fallout 3 where he literally believes he's some real life historical figure. He acknowledges that the bombs fell and that the accent and mannerisms he's using are anachronistic but he does it to play a role and I guess to have a little fun because its his life and why not? Since he was a military robot and the war leaves the US military in shambles, he reckons that makes him the highest ranked US military officer in existence, so its his duty to fight the Chinese. He doesn't have any data on China, so he's either confused, operating from ignorance, or figured that this purpose was as good as any as far as military actions are concerned. The biggest and most glaring part of his confusion which you don't mention in the video is that even if the Constitution landed in the ocean, it would immediately begin to sink because of the big damn hole in the bottom. Regardless, when the scavengers said that they were just trying to kill the robots, I immediately hated them and saw then as pirates. To me attacking Ironsides because he's a little confused is like robbing an old man of all his gardening tools because he keeps planting marbles because of his poor eyesight. Ironsides was a robot made for a purpose. Unlike most robots who mindlessly continue that singular purpose for centuries until they are deactivated, reprogrammed, or destroyed, he GAVE HIMSELF a new purpose when the old one was obsolete, just like a person would. An average sentrybot would continue to patrol around its assigned military outpost forever until it was stopped, even though there's no need to do so. If Ironsides had been assigned to some military museum made out of an old base, perhaps Fort Independance, he would have instead recruited robots to make the base a functional one and used an army command structure, with himself as Colonel or something. Sarge didn't do that, but Ironsides would. Ironsides didn't stay on the Constitution, just telling everyone its history forever like he was programmed to do. Ironsides is special. Ironsides is a person.
My only question is how in the everlasting heck did Ironsides reprogram the rest of the bots with no goddamn hands?
@@SorowFame Maybe he just, I dunno, somehow did so without hands? Like maybe robots can communicate telepathically? I dunno.
saying you didn't know they would betray you is like saying you didn't know a deathclaw wasn't soft until you tried to pet it.
I dunno, that Deathclaw over in the North-eastern part of 4's map is pretty soft and cuddly if you give their egg back. Even gets the other deathclaws in its territory to give you a hand sometimes afterwords.
If only Ironsides could join the minutemen.
Do a vid on NCR next please
3:20
I just wanna appreciate the delivery of this response.