StarFlash V.S Incuggarch | Ultimate Offense V.S Ultimate Defense

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024

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  • @Incuggarch
    @Incuggarch Год назад +389

    Fun fact: I offered StarFlash250 a draw at the beginning because I saw that the game had been made with incorrect settings and had a 35 day limit, meaning that whoever has more properties at that point would just win the game, and if we are tied on properties the game would end in a draw. GL games are not supposed to have a day limit. It didn’t end up mattering in this match, but since Jess' powers scale better with army size compared to Jake on this map, this time limit did give me a small handicap.
    We didn’t talk before the game, so it was completely coincidental that I picked Jess and StarFlash250 picked Jake. I was considering whether to pick Jess or Jake, but I decided against picking Jake because there aren’t that many plains on this map, so I felt that Jake would be a bit inconsistent on this map. You also have the general problem all terrain-focused CO’s have where there are only so many terrain tiles on the map that synergize with your power, so if the game stalls out you might end up in a situation where a smaller and smaller fraction of your army actually gets to fight from the correct terrain type. In comparison all of Jess’ vehicles get the full effect of her powers regardless of the terrain they fight on, so Jess’ powers can often be more consistent and scale better with army size compared to Jake’s, though this is a bit map dependent.

    • @Rambo_Florian
      @Rambo_Florian Год назад +8

      Was going for that aggressive super power & landing a knockout blow in your gameplan or a spur of the moment/instinctive decision?

    • @varodleus
      @varodleus Год назад +1

      @@Rambo_Florian pretty sure he was already aware in toto of what starflash has deployed there.

    • @TheFinalChapters
      @TheFinalChapters Год назад +4

      @@Rambo_Florian It was definitely planned for a while. Or more specifically, it was both Jake and Jess's win conditions: have enough units in range to use the super to cripple the enemy.
      This situation favored Incuggarch and Jess though, as the midgame skirmishes favored them, meaning Starflash needed an especially good super position to come out ahead.
      Still, it took several turns for Incuggarch to find the right position to pull off a successful Super without simultaneously being open to a Jake super.
      In short, both players did very well, but you can see where the extra 100 points comes from!

    • @Incuggarch
      @Incuggarch Год назад +36

      @@Rambo_Florian I decided to do the attack only after getting the additional vision with my recon and seeing that I had a good opportunity to do a very strong attack. I was fully prepared to just hold off and wait if I didn't like what I saw.

    • @StarFlash250
      @StarFlash250 Год назад +43

      It is also funny because I was gonna pick jess originally for the same reasoning but i overestimated how good arty range and bcopters would be at the end

  • @StarFlash250
    @StarFlash250 Год назад +354

    Uh oh not this map
    Sidenote: this is basically the first time i played this map and i had no idea what i was doing, inccugarch offered draw day 1 but i refused and said i wanted to try it out xd

    • @jewishbanana
      @jewishbanana Год назад +49

      Lmao so the “yeet”ing as Mangs calls it doesn’t just occur during the maps but before them too lol

    • @michaelvanderwal7390
      @michaelvanderwal7390 Год назад +28

      I think I literally felt your pain when inccugarch made that last attack.

    • @Ilvocare
      @Ilvocare Год назад +5

      Mfw on day 18 you build a med tank and base skip on a 2 base map with 2k gold in reserve

    • @joehart3481
      @joehart3481 Год назад +3

      Thank you, it was a blast to watch you both play!

    • @Paulunatr
      @Paulunatr Год назад +4

      you're a great sport for giving it a go and put up a hell of a fight

  • @zekenotech
    @zekenotech Год назад +12

    Oh my God, that quote in Starflashes' bio "EXPENDABLE! YOU ARE ALL EXPENDABLE!" is one that has been seared into my brain ever since I first heard it! It's from Battalion Wars where Kaiser Vlad is attacking the Tundran Outpost in the Dune Sea. Oh wow.

  • @Truniht
    @Truniht Год назад +108

    Oh man that attack by inccugarch was so painful to witness, 80k value wiped out just like that while Starflash's defensive position seemed perfectly fine, this would be a table flipping moment if that happened to me.
    Definitely an exciting match!

  • @Heinrich_Hein
    @Heinrich_Hein Год назад +104

    That was masterfully played on Icuggarch's part, but StarFlash played a very entertaining game on their part! That was a real treat to watch.

  • @baldbro3693
    @baldbro3693 Год назад +79

    Keep the AWBW content coming! My favorite videos on RUclips!

  • @demityrant1784
    @demityrant1784 Год назад +8

    God, even with no plains, StarFlash held terrifying power with Jake. Literally Jake was a bit of a handicapped choice, as if he didn't know what this map was like. Jess combined with Incu's walling and time extension carried the day well. I want to see more of this player with different characters and maps. Power to you StarFlash, keep striking like lightning. Super fun to watch.

  • @lasselen9448
    @lasselen9448 Год назад +19

    That was an insane match! Thanks for the commentary! That final push truly showed what you said about Jess being scary at the beginning... "By the way, your entire army including indirect backline is in range of my tanks now. Also, my MTs one-shot yours. See you in the next game."
    The word you were looking for is "concave" by the way. It's a geometry term that designs an angle that opens inwards (like a pie after cutting out the first slice). You know this, but for people who may be wondering, forming a stretched, curved line around the opponent's army means a maximum of your units are in attack range. In contrast, a straight line would mean the units on one or both ends are too far away. This is especially true when the opposing army forms a ball (rather than a line). You want your own army to be poised to wrap around that ball.

  • @rokr0001
    @rokr0001 Год назад +3

    An unstoppable force meeting an immovable object, you say? Nah. The immovable object BECAME the unstoppable force.

  • @squiddler7731
    @squiddler7731 Год назад +2

    35:32 just realized they specifically targeted the lander to build power charge. The stalemate meant that they wouldn't be able to attack any other high-value units without being punished, and they were still too far from getting their super power to go all in unless they planned to sacrifice their own units to get it. Once the lander was gone though, all it took was a single extra attack on a recon to pop overdrive and win the game

  • @swagmaster2003
    @swagmaster2003 Год назад +24

    I just love to open up youtube and see a new vid from Mangs. Especially when it's two of the best awbw players in the world duking it out. And even though you aren't Deejus, the match you showed today was a real....
    B A N G E R !

  • @albertmolina8186
    @albertmolina8186 Год назад +7

    36:10 that would be a pincer attack with a defensive concave formation

  • @disc06
    @disc06 Год назад +11

    Don’t click if you haven’t watched the game yet and don’t want to be spoiled.
    Inccurgarch had the income lead for a while that allowed him to get 2 M.tanks and the rocket, possibly allowed him to defend the north assault.
    Also this game is a proof of how devastating Jess’ powers can be, holy shit they’re so good (and my goodness is she broken in DS), I almost think that can move her to the tier above. After all they’re very cheap and she is one of the few COs that has the luxury to choose between her both powers, most COs only rely on one.
    On the other side, Jack didn’t take advantage of his powers at all, the choke points didn’t have much plains and I’d say he lacked the indirects.
    Anyways, very cool match! Inccugarch is so good.

  • @joshruner1348
    @joshruner1348 Год назад +2

    The front switching was so precise, great game.

  • @arklaw8306
    @arklaw8306 Год назад +6

    The best defense decimating the best offense in a beautiful superpower was satisfying as all hell.

  • @starhalv2427
    @starhalv2427 Месяц назад +2

    11:35
    I think a move this was supposed to prevent was StarFlash capturing southern comtower. It is possible with that transport, and once captured it'd be defended by artillery, giving a bonus to firepower for a good while before the opponent can take it back- especially if you get commtower on your half of the map too

  • @glipmine7109
    @glipmine7109 Год назад +7

    Hoo boy. There goes 40 mins of my day

  • @stellarkym
    @stellarkym Год назад +11

    Their play styles are completely opposite to each other. Starflash favors quick turns and live games while the former takes his turns for days. Because that Incu takes his turns so slow, Starflash loses his momentum. An unintentional tactic, maybe?

  • @TheMongral
    @TheMongral Год назад +19

    Fantastic play from both players in this match. That ending was absolutely devastating and really showed just why these two are so highly ranked.
    I doubt anything less decisive from incuggarch could have secured the victory either, at least not as quickly. Starflash had quite a solid defensive formation and a less destructive attack probably would have been one he could recover from.
    But it’s pretty clear that Incuggarch recognized that fact, which is likely why he opted to make a concave, so he could collapse his forces on Starflashes forces in a brutal, decisive, assault.
    Again, excellent play from both players. I always love getting to see these high-level matches because they’re always so interesting.

  • @XiremaXesirin
    @XiremaXesirin Год назад +5

    22:42 This is not a new bug, and it's not a problem with the replay viewer. There are certain events that AWBW doesn't properly record in the replay log. To my knowledge, it is these:
    1. Moving to attack a unit, and getting trapped by an unseen unit (this is different to simply moving and getting trapped by an unseen unit, which AWBW *does* properly record)
    2. Attacking a Pipe Seam
    There may be others, but those are the two I'm aware of.
    If either of these events occurs, the replay won't show them. The Replay Viewer *could* try to work around these by deducing certain actions (i.e. if it sees that a tank ends up in a position on the next turn and a pipe seam took damage, it can reasonably infer the tank must have performed that attack), but it's a hard problem to solve, and I don't blame the dev for not wanting to try to figure it out. The only real fix is for AWBW to finally properly record those events.

  • @sharkastic2633
    @sharkastic2633 Год назад +8

    Automatic subtitles change Incuggarch into "incredork" and I find that quite amusing.

  • @irshkashirkle
    @irshkashirkle Год назад +1

    Starflash's troops during incuggarchs last push: "THEYRE EVERYWHERE GAHHHH"

  • @xort13
    @xort13 Год назад +14

    Incredible match between masterminds. Incuggarch showed his best defense but nearly his best attack too. What a player !
    Thanks Mangs for the replay, I started to (re)play this game since a month because of your content. Keep the good job you won like and sub :)

  • @MrFirefox322
    @MrFirefox322 Год назад +1

    wow that winning turn was something else, holy hell

  • @GeneralBlaguin
    @GeneralBlaguin Год назад +5

    That last attack was… waw.

  • @tora_scrolls
    @tora_scrolls Год назад +8

    Many kudos to umm Incugga for unbreaky wall and gigantapush for win! Admirable! Good commentary by Mangs Mangs too

  • @cccpredarmy
    @cccpredarmy Год назад +5

    I'd dare to say that this match wasn't only a perfect representation of 2 great players but also a representation of 2 different approaches... if not "DOCTRINES" of this WAR game. The "Dojo" of defense and counterattack vs the "Dojo" of pure attack.
    What a match! What an enjoyment to watch it!

  • @NaturalCloud
    @NaturalCloud Год назад +10

    I believe the bug with the pipeseam is due to the replay file itself not registering attacks made on the pipeseam itself. Deamonhunter has made some effort to fix this by resetting units at the end of a turn but its probably up to awbw itself to add these attacks into replays for them to show up correctly.

  • @snoodude
    @snoodude Год назад

    36:00 I believe the word you were looking for is "concave". You were close!

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu 2 месяца назад

    The funny thing is that Jake would be at home in AW2 if he was allowed to be there. On every Colin, Jess, Drake, and Andy campaign mission and on the ones where you get to chose your COs, think of all the times you wanted to have your direct units attack from a city, but it just was 1 movement short of making the 2 movement "move around" and so had to attack from plains? Well the answer is a lot. And think of how many times you were forced to attack from plains in the War Room? Well it's a lot. Think of how often a 3 by 3, 3 by 4, or even 3 by 6 block of plains appear adjacent to a city. Well in AW2, actually quite a bit. Jess would be trying to attack from cities and ending up attacking from plains almost all the time. League maps don't have dramatically fewer plains than AW2 campaign maps, but the central areas tend to not be nearly as plain dominated. For example, this particular map looks like Koal might be a better choice. Not because you want to attack from roads, but because movement is more important than a plains boost here and if you activate your superpower, Koal is a better version of Adder. Or just pick Jess.

  • @andregon4366
    @andregon4366 Год назад +4

    Starflash isn't that aggressive, you should see Mangs infantry.

  • @wassimdarwich5918
    @wassimdarwich5918 Год назад +3

    That was great i love the last push

  • @0ceanking
    @0ceanking Год назад

    Dang, what an intense game! I felt like in those two or so turns StarFlash was holding onto that SCOP, they were probably really wishing they were Jess instead of Jake. Poor artillery just weren't close enough to the front to benefit from the +1 range, just like you were saying, the lack of plain tiles killed any chance of a wall break!

  • @AlexVHome
    @AlexVHome Год назад +5

    Just like in AW, defence is more valuable then offense...

  • @inversepie6512
    @inversepie6512 Год назад +1

    As a Jugger main, I really feel the movement bonus COPs the most. Jess and Jake both have them and can wreck with a well placed atrack.

  • @TeeQueueSA
    @TeeQueueSA Год назад +2

    Concave. He's got a nice concave.
    I'm sure you haven't already been told this 100 other times, so I'll tell you without checking the comments section.

  • @jasonsoliva6678
    @jasonsoliva6678 Год назад +1

    @36:06 in StarCraft they're called concaves

  • @derkatwork33
    @derkatwork33 Год назад +4

    Certified ba-ba-ba-BANGER!

  • @kentmichaelgalang686
    @kentmichaelgalang686 Год назад +1

    incuggarch must be the stone wall jackson of advance wars

  • @ManaNek
    @ManaNek Год назад +2

    This is a fantastic coincidence as I just lost a Global League match with this exact matchup on this map. Time to study it 🤓

  • @icykiwi6650
    @icykiwi6650 Год назад

    That was an AMAZING attack to watch

  • @blankempty5128
    @blankempty5128 Год назад +3

    The word used all of the time in SC2 casting to describe encircling your opponent so you army has more surface area to deal damage with is "concave"

  • @RDG99
    @RDG99 Год назад +2

    I saw OVERDRIVE in the screen and I went HOLY SHIT IT'S OVER

  • @HippieInHeart
    @HippieInHeart Год назад +1

    Damn, absolutely loved the final attack from Incuggarch. Also very suprising outcome, for quite some time it looked like Starflash was definitely gonna win, and even until the very final attack they seemed pretty even.

  • @Hone_mor2525
    @Hone_mor2525 Год назад +4

    The unstoppable force VS the immovable object.

  • @SturmxHawke
    @SturmxHawke Год назад +1

    36:20 the word is "Concave"

  • @محمود-ف9و1ظ
    @محمود-ف9و1ظ Год назад +2

    I would love to watch a match between voice of akasha and incuggarch..... its like a dream

  • @lusciel2910
    @lusciel2910 Год назад +3

    And your video on Jess made me like her a lot more and she's really high on my list for T4 2 base maps depending on air effectiveness. Also I always try her in High Funds because I want the glorious day when I resupply an out of ammo Jess Megatank.
    Edit: Also I found this game before my recent match on this and copied Incuggarch's opening...

  • @mr.s.i6642
    @mr.s.i6642 Год назад +5

    Attacking pipe seam & getting trapped is bugged in Replay viewer

  • @dewottgaming1507
    @dewottgaming1507 Год назад +2

    the Starcraft term you were looking for there was Concave

  • @GLIEPNIR
    @GLIEPNIR Год назад +3

    Forgive my ignorance... But wasn't Advance Wars a GBA game?? I didn't play it. I just saw it once, gave it a shot... But wasn't my thing, so I didn't learn much about it. Anyway, what's all this?? Online play? A private thing? What is going on o. O"?

    • @Mangs1337
      @Mangs1337  Год назад +12

      It's called Advance Wars By Web. It's an online site where people can play Advance Wars.

    • @GLIEPNIR
      @GLIEPNIR Год назад +2

      @@Mangs1337 ohhhh... Ok, that's interesting o. O

    • @masterchief2622
      @masterchief2622 Год назад

      @@GLIEPNIR you should try it out. It's a lot of fun.

  • @splitlipceo6864
    @splitlipceo6864 Год назад +2

    Great blend of aggression and defense, definitely wasn’t the outcome I expected, great match!

  • @nubcake67
    @nubcake67 Год назад +2

    Incuggarch with that pincer trap at the end. Absolutely brutal.

  • @superior_solutions
    @superior_solutions Год назад +1

    Concave formation at 36:00

  • @peterchauvin1486
    @peterchauvin1486 Год назад +3

    Love ur videos

  • @andreacappelletti5442
    @andreacappelletti5442 Год назад +3

    What a punch

  • @audiosurfarchive
    @audiosurfarchive Год назад +3

    Wow, absolutely sublime match! This map is excellently designed, and that was an insane push from Inky to end it all. That was very surprising coming from him and picking that apart. Vision wins battles!

  • @Paulunatr
    @Paulunatr Год назад +1

    Love seeing top-level play like this. As only a casual player myself it's quite striking to see the added complexity of playing against a human instead of just the AI.

  • @DemonFox369
    @DemonFox369 Год назад +1

    So many non-plain tiles. Incuggarch used that very well.

  • @ShanglionTheFirst
    @ShanglionTheFirst Год назад +1

    The StarCraft term you were looking for is concave. English is hard.

  • @JayDayX116
    @JayDayX116 Год назад +1

    Yaa know. One of the most unappealing things to me is being made to listen to sports on the radio.
    Meanwhile. Me listening to advance wars replay narrations at work, that's the fuckin shit dude. Love your stuff.

  • @TheFanaticsPlay
    @TheFanaticsPlay Год назад +1

    i still dont get why they dont use the jess dual strike version

  • @coldwintersknight9793
    @coldwintersknight9793 Год назад +10

    Unstoppable force meets immovable object

    • @DatBoi-sl1rw
      @DatBoi-sl1rw Год назад +4

      Such a good comment! You just repeated the literal first sentence of the video! Wow!

    • @Hone_mor2525
      @Hone_mor2525 Год назад +1

      you beat me to it, lol.

    • @Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox
      @Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Год назад +1

      How original, I sure wonder where you could come up with such biting social commentary

  • @lordbiscuitthetossable5352
    @lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Год назад +1

    I think to call Incuggarch a defence specialist indicates that he's a master of defence. I feel that's only half true, since he's clearly really powerful at projecting his presence. Rather I kinda feel his main strength is being conservative. He makes very measured gains while only risking what he can afford to lose and seems very thoughtful, which is probably why he picked Jess over Jake.
    I kinda feel like this battle was half won at that CO select phase. Jess's weaknesses are only very slight, and she is all round pretty flexible, even with the unit's she is "weaker" at she doesn't lose any options to inform his strategy, while Jake can be outright denied with the proper terrain tactics employed. Starflash being completely unable to connect with his Super I feel was ultimately the deciding factor in this match, he just couldn't break through that wall because his C.O choice worked against him. That and Incuggarch started teching up at least 3 to 5 days before he did,
    Incredible game played by both players! I really enjoyed watching Starflash move, it seemed that wherever the fight was, Star Flash had his entire army there.

    • @Mangs1337
      @Mangs1337  Год назад +2

      Incuggarch can certainly attack too, it's just that what he's known for is his incredible artillery walls. Being good at defense does not make you weak at offense, it's just that defense is his specialty. Meanwhile, StarFlash is known as a player who will just slam his forces into his opponent until he either wins or loses, but because he's so good at attacking, it often works out for him.

    • @lordbiscuitthetossable5352
      @lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Год назад

      @@Mangs1337 Ahhh, that makes a lot of sense in the grander sense of things. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me!

  • @arpitrohilla285
    @arpitrohilla285 Год назад +2

    Wow that was one of the best turns ever

  • @sprites75
    @sprites75 Год назад +1

    the winner would be the first to initiate... and starflash was down one super

  • @jgaringan
    @jgaringan Год назад +1

    The Starcraft term you're thinking of is "concave."

  • @Dakkar171
    @Dakkar171 Год назад +2

    That was a SICK game thanks for casting it for us!

  • @cabreraseven
    @cabreraseven Год назад +1

    How do you access this game online? Instructions please

  • @privategallade9120
    @privategallade9120 Год назад +5

    🥚

  • @napalmcannon2513
    @napalmcannon2513 Год назад +1

    fun game to watch, I wonder how strong a player with both Starflash's offence and Incuggarch's defence would be

  • @rickstar5773
    @rickstar5773 Год назад

    36:10 correct me if I'm wrong but I think the word Mangs was looking for there was "Concave"

  • @DennisN09
    @DennisN09 10 месяцев назад +1

    Unstoppable force vs inmoveble object😊

  • @joefarrow1599
    @joefarrow1599 Год назад +1

    This was awesome to watch, thanks for the commentary

  • @NotPepefrog
    @NotPepefrog Год назад +1

    You guys remember Billy Mitchell? He can probably beat Incuggarch.

  • @kevinduffy2688
    @kevinduffy2688 Год назад +1

    I think the word is canopy, a nice canopy of units

  • @oKnuTo
    @oKnuTo Год назад +1

    The word youve been looking for is concave

  • @onEmEmbErstudios
    @onEmEmbErstudios Год назад +1

    Yes, more Incuggarch's matches, please
    And I miss your Advance Wars gameplay as well, Mangs

  • @warpuppy4528
    @warpuppy4528 Год назад +1

    The word you are looking for is Concave.

  • @masterchief2622
    @masterchief2622 Год назад +1

    Also, Incuggarch just hit 1700.

  • @CyrogenicNation
    @CyrogenicNation Год назад +1

    Why are there so many repairs in this game? Didn't you say that it's bad to repair and that you should never do it?

    • @Mangs1337
      @Mangs1337  Год назад +4

      I was wrong. Don't listen to my old advice. Repairs are super important because it preserves your unit count, which is one of the most important things in AW.

  • @BBHood217
    @BBHood217 Год назад +1

    Now this is Heavy Metal.

  • @haraberu
    @haraberu Год назад +1

    It's called a 'concave'

  • @ribbitcoffee-x-tea7723
    @ribbitcoffee-x-tea7723 Год назад +1

    mate i learned kinda how the game works after akash olafvolaf and im hooked on these commentaries now

  • @jonathanlee9145
    @jonathanlee9145 Год назад +2

    I just started watching these advance wars videos and they are a blast. Are there ever 3 or 4 player free for all matches?

    • @swagmaster2003
      @swagmaster2003 Год назад +3

      Up to 16 players even, but not in a video as far as I know.

  • @adrianjsf
    @adrianjsf Год назад +1

    This was insane to watch. I truly thought starflash won at some times

  • @puy0puy0
    @puy0puy0 Год назад +8

    36:07 it's called concave

  • @orrrk1
    @orrrk1 Год назад +1

    yaaaaaaay more replays pls!!

  • @phenethylamine91
    @phenethylamine91 Год назад +1

    37:09 Incuggarch goes OM NOM NOM NOM

  • @Ilvocare
    @Ilvocare Год назад

    I've been writing off Jess a lot in T4 because I just like Jake more and the inf debuffs feel debilitating.
    I may reconsider things, but rolling with her requires me to play well enough to reach an endgame state where she thrives...

  • @ryono2759
    @ryono2759 Год назад +1

    36:20 concave or crecent

  • @Rocky712_
    @Rocky712_ Год назад +1

    Banger certified™

  • @Rudesayer
    @Rudesayer Год назад +1

    Chess with tanks

  • @weilchenwachter7597
    @weilchenwachter7597 Год назад +1

    36:20 Concave?

  • @2805a
    @2805a Год назад +1

    Where can I find this type of replays? If I enter the history of competitive replays, the option to replay does not appear as in normal games.

  • @SMooreArtDesign
    @SMooreArtDesign Год назад +1

    So good!

  • @whisper6534
    @whisper6534 Год назад +1

    Up!

  • @bosterii
    @bosterii Год назад

    Will there be a grandmasters tournament season 3, my dude? The last two streams of that were legendary.

  • @jacobcapistrano6731
    @jacobcapistrano6731 Год назад +1

    Incuggarch's playstyle even with Jess is so good!

  • @ericd1022
    @ericd1022 Год назад +1

    watching two titans duke it out is always a treat ^.^