Hi: I am one of the developers of the MS/Asobo ATR: we have listened to some users having issues with the readability of the DUs...so one of the next updates will come with an EFB slider to adjust the DU Font size. Be aware though that his might not look perfect in all situations with larger font sizes. We hope this feature still pleases the community, though. Have fun with the ATR!
Thanks very much for the info, Ben and indeed the ATR! That sounds like a great solution. It's very commendable, that the team tried to replicate the displays accurately, but of course this can have its limitations within the sim. At least with your proposed measure, everyone should be able to enjoy the ATR more readily : ) Cheers and all the best!
Hi Smolex, If I had to guess, it’s probably something to do with the fact the addon was recently updated (and perhaps the Marketplace now counts it as a “new” product). It’s not the first time I’ve seen something like that happen with regards to ratings on the Marketplace but undoubtedly, the ATR has sold *a lot* of units (and I’m sure received a lot of reviews) haha. All the best : )
It's great to see the ATR and although there are problems, I'm certain that they will be sorted. The price is excellent and I think once the problems are fixed the value will be there. Always good to see Air New Zealand waving the flag, especially flying into NZGS. That's a route I have taken many aeroplanes, both in the sim and in the real world. Many thanks for a great video and review.
Indeed Mr Squirel; it’s nice to finally have a regional turboprop in the sim and a decent / very fairly priced one at that. The ATR is obviously very good value for money, I think Asobo were just a touch ambitious with their “Expert Level” moniker and that’s really where most of the blowback stems from (the product is a fine effort in and of itself). As you say, hopefully the major issues will be fixed up and indeed we have just seen the first patch for the addon. I’m glad you enjoyed another NZ outing, it’s always somewhere that is an absolute pleasure to fly (indeed, I’m in the process of recording another NZ vid at the moment haha)! My pleasure on the video! Take care and all the best : )
There is a way to enter airways without freezing the system. Click on the softkey next to the airway field and select the desired airway from the pop-up list provided as opposed to keying the airway name into the airway field. Content provider 737NG Driver has a video that goes into more detail.
That is actually the "correct" way to do this as per ATR FCOM and the reason that bug was overlooked is probably that it was beta tested by ATR pilots that were doing everything by the book. I wish Asobo included aircraft in their public beta testing as a lot of bugs would be found by "incompetent" people , I suspect a few more quirks are do to this and they will be ironed out !
Whenever I do this to enter an airway, it puts it on the flight plan but copies the airway like 5 times over, and I have to go in and delete the extra checkpoints one by one. Very frustrating.
@@XavierLignieres I wonder if the actual aircraft won’t let you do it though? We can’t whinge about something being a bug when it mirrors the correct behaviour, while also whinging that it’s not expert/ study level….
@@jeremyc311709 I experienced this too, then realised I’d entered the waypoint that was on the near end of the airway, not the end I was flying to. Selecting ‘undo’ then selecting the correct waypoint at the FAR end of the airway rectified this
Thank you very much Paul, I’m glad you found the video to be of use! Certainly, the ATR seems to have divided opinion haha. I think a lot of that came down to expectation management, “expert level” is rather a loaded moniker in many respects (if the product had been marketed as any other, I don’t think anyone would disagree that the ATR offers solid value for money). I enjoyed the ATR, but the addon isn’t without its flaws, hopefully I conveyed both of those points during the video : ) Cheers and all the best!
As always, a well done and much appreciated review. I find your insight into these sim aircraft both interesting and entertaining but also one of the most reliable ways of quickly understanding what new aircraft offer to the sim. Very helpful in deciding what to spend your sim flight time on. Nice job!
Thanks very much Kirt, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video! I certainly try to a give a (somewhat) concise overview of what any particular addon has to offer. For my own benefit, as much as anything, I also try to turn that process into an entertaining flight haha. I’m always happy if the review helps someone decide where best to invest their money / time. Cheers! Much appreciated and all the best : )
So nice watching that landing from the passenger perspective through the window. Your review might have been later than some others but we know we'll get a nicely detailed review.
Thanks very much NG! What I sometimes lack in punctuality, I try to make up for with quality haha. I’m really glad you enjoyed the landing - the pax view does look rather convincing on the ATR : ) Thanks very much once again, much appreciated!
Absolutely Ray; for the price, one can’t go too far wrong with the ATR and it’s great to see that the first update has already been put out. I’m glad you’re enjoying the addon. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I got about 3000 hrs on the real thing, but still think the short 360 was better to fly, not in performance terms. Flying the short feels like picking you nose buggers. Kind of feels nice but you don't want anybody to notice.
It feels underpowered fully loaded in the sim. Is that real to life? I've flown on them as a few times as a passenger, Dublin-Manchester, not much slower than an A320.
@@spuriouspodge7416 In the summer full load 500 feet/min if you lucky 🤞. In the winter so much ice that it gets scary. Like flying on top af a flagpole. The short is formed like a wing itself and strappers and stuff hanging out and says Hello stick to me please. Had two engine failure within a couple of months eachother. The last on dropped out of the Sky and we managed to get going level flight at around 1500 feet, flaps almost full deployed to avoid stalling. Prop Governor failure and unable to fully feather 🪶. Lot of ice and flaps didn't make things easier. Just about 50 nm off the coastline. I got a pratt and whitney dependable engines tattoo 😊 after that one, after all the engine didn't failed right but what a noise when the propeller was trying to match the 28000 rpm of the power turbine. What saved us I think was the warm water over the sea Vs much colder air over land in winter times and we could clean up and limp back under the cloud cover. The most funny part was, when it happened I was smoking a fag and had a Coca-Cola can in my other hand and the skipper trying to get rid of his fag to me. I Will never forget the fought of what was potentially awaiting us descending towards the sea.
Black Box simulation is bringing the Short 330 but also its larger sibling, the Short 360, and the C-23 SHERPA to the sim and is currently in beta testing so I believe 😊
Clear throat, I mean prop 😂. Hope you get better soon, and thanks for doing the review even when you were feeling poorly. Totally agree about the ATR being a joy to taxi. Out of the three aircraft I use with joystick twist axis NWS (incl FBW A320 and BAe146) this one is easily the nicest.
Haha! XD Thanks very much Achim! I’m certainly feeling a whole lot better now (although there might still be one or two videos with a slightly croaky voice haha). My pleasure on the video, I was gutted that I couldn’t do it sooner! Much appreciated and all the best to you : )
Another excellent video. Would love to see some exterior replay shots of takeoff/landing incorporated into your videos. Would really put the icing on the cake.
Thanks very much Eamon, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! I actually often used to have external shots during the takeoff and landing (and still do sometimes), but gravitated more towards wing views, as I felt they maintained the “immersion” a little better. What I would like to do, is have takeoff / landing flyby views, but I’ve still not found a completely satisfactory way of accomplishing that. Anyway, thanks very much for your suggestion and I will keep it under advisement ; ) Much appreciated and all the best! : )
Great review, and nice to see a familiar scheme in a familiar location! Agree with all points you’ve raised, it certainly is FPS heavy on my system too. Hopefully the upcoming patches announced on todays dev stream will address some of the shortcomings we’ve noticed. Still a bargain for $19 though!
Thanks very much zkd0s! I was waiting (with baited breath haha) to see what you thought - I’m glad I wasn’t too far wide of the mark. It’s great to see that the first patch has already gone out and hopefully we’ll continue to see the ATR improve. As you say, one can’t go too far wrong for $10 / $20 ; ) Thanks very much also for the tutorials, they proved very helpful in getting me started! Cheers as always! Hope you’re keeping well : )
An absolute bargain, given the poor value of other purchases. Took a little time sorting the throttle out but eventually did a great ifr from Manchester to Bremen. No complaints. Thanks for vid, always pick up something from them 👍👍
I appreciate your unbiased review and preparation work prior to publish this review. The Expert label defined by MS is more a label to differentiate within their aircraft offering, like also their take on vintage or historical aircraft. As MS does not want to publish aircraft with failure simulation, at least until current, study level is term not applicable, but the term Expert is more meant that it is required to deep dive into systems and functionalities to proper fly the aircraft. The lack of manuals on all their aircraft is their decision and I hope it will be revised to allow simmers to have an easier start into flying complex airliners, which certainly require a basic "expertise" in aircraft system and navigation skills.
Thanks very much for the clarification, Alexander and indeed your kind words. Personally, I still feel that the “expert” moniker is somewhat misleading, but I can appreciate that Asobo wants to differentiate this addon series from the others. “Advanced” (or something similar) might have perhaps been a better term (to me, “expert” really suggests the highest level in complexity). As much as I love Asobo and the sim that they have given us, I strongly disagree with their decision regarding manuals; documentation is not a “nice to have”, it’s an important part of the product (especially one of this complexity) and to call something “expert level” and then not provide a manual, seems a little bit of a juxtaposition to me. It’s also disappointing to see that this trend is starting to catch on with other developers. We have arguably the greatest flight simulator of all time, but it’s sad that new simmers are not being given the same opportunities to learn / improve, as many of us were in older sims (tutorials and documentation were always superb in older Microsoft sims). Thanks very much once again! All the best : )
37:30 Where entering weights and fuel are concerned, there are two ways. The first is to enter them into the FMS to populate the EFB. The second is to set them in the sim's own weight panel, then long--press the ZFW and fuel LSK buttons to transfer that to the airplane.
Thanks very much for the info, Jon! The long-press option is certainly a good trick to know. What I was ideally after, was that the EFB take the sim’s weight data and display that directly or better yet, that the aircraft’s weight can be adjusted via the EFB. Currently, the logic seems to be a bit backwards to me, as it’s not much use having an EFB which tells you what you already know (having already entered the data into the MCDU). Much appreciated! All the best : )
You can solve the issue with the airway by clicking on where it says airway and then there should be a list of airways, and then click on the waypoint button and select the waypoint after the airway. 737NGDriver has a good video on his channel if you have any questions!
Yes, I can confirm that does work but the shorter method of entry not working and causing either a lock-up or duplicate entries to appear in the flightplan is certainly still a bug that needs addressing. 737NGDriver's latest videos on this subject seem to point the finger at it being largely user error as a result of the lack of documentation.
@@XavierLignieres Yes, but I doubt doing it the 'incorrect' way in the real aircraft results in the FMC locking up or the other funky things I've seen.
@I Evo It does not indeed but they only let real ATR pilots test the aircraft, and they did everything by the book so they missed the bug. This is beta testing 101 they failed at ! Always have "incompetent" people try and break your software to make sure it's fool proof.
Thanks very much for the pointer, BleachMan! I seem to recall, that I was having issues with the airways whichever method I used, but perhaps I have misremembered. . . That certainly wasn’t the only issue I was having with the MCDU’s at any rate. It’s great to see that the recent update has at least partially fixed the issue though. Cheers for the feedback. Much appreciated and all the best! : )
People have serious problems with placing expectations. The whole debate about the ATR comes from that. When a plane takes 20+ minutes to start up, you need a manual for knowing its ins and outs and it's on the level of the CRJ or the FBW A320 then I think it's rightfully called an expert level product. Also, bugs don't affect systems fidelity, they're just errors to be fixed, but the fidelity is the same regardless. For this price, I really don't see any better deal in the marketplace right now, for people who like airliners. Thank you for the detailed review!
Hello Gábor, I’m 50/50 with you on that one ; ) Indeed, expectation management can often be a problem. Sometimes it’s self-induced and sometimes the devs have a part to play (as has been said on a number of occasions, the fact that many of these terms such as “study level” etc are open to interpretation, often adds fuel to the fire also). The ATR’s main “issue”, was that people set their hopes very high (I would argue, somewhat as a result of the marketing) and then many felt a little bit disappointed / frustrated as a result. There’s no doubt in my mind, has the ATR been marketed as “just” another product, we’d all be singing it’s praises. Where I disagree somewhat, is that to me, “study level” or (arguably even more so) “expert level”, really suggests the pinnacle in terms of fidelity / accuracy etc. To me, neither the CRJ, FBW A320, or indeed the ATR fall under that umbrella (though of course there’s no right or wrong answer, it’s just *my* opinion). Bugs are not the same as a lack I systems fidelity, I agree, but on the face of it, the ATR seemed to have areas that were “lacking”, as compared with the likes of the Fenix A320, PMDG 737 etc. All of the above being said, I do think the ATR is a very solid offering for the price! As I said in the video, I think it’s a brilliant offering for “intermediate” simmers and those of us who don’t need every rivet to be in the correct spot, before we can go and enjoy the flight. It’s great to see that the first update for the aircraft has already been put out and I hope we will see the ATR go from strength to strength. That’s my take on the situation anyway, for what it’s worth haha. Cheers for your thoughts and all the best! : )
Another great review, thanks. I can see in other comments that you have come across the perfect tone for the flight/review you do. It feels like we are there in the plane with you and not watching a youtube video. Happy landings, cheers!
Thank you very much for the kind words, Pedro! Haha well, my commentary style seems to receive mixed reviews, but it’s not something I do on purpose, so I guess you’re all stuck with it ; ) I’m really glad you feel it makes the whole experience more immersive though; I very much want my videos to feel like you are sitting in the pilot’s seat. My absolute pleasure! Thanks again and all the best : )
I have worked on the ATR 42/ 72 - 200s in real life and done ground runs on them. They definitely taxi under idle on flat ground. Normally you keep them in Beta for quick differential power turning
GREAT flight Captain. For the average Desk Pilot "Study Level/Expert" is more spot on. For a Real Airline Pilot it's good to hear the specific issues that need attention. Keep in mind the price of the aircraft and for that, a few issues can be dealt with and hopefully they will listen to the issues and make appropriate upgrades. OK Captain, after that flight, grab your favorite chair and have a cup of tea. I'm sure, it always makes you feel better! !! !!!
Many thanks once again, Mark! I very much agree that for the “average” simmer, the ATR is a nice option and indeed, I largely enjoyed the addon myself. “Expert level” suggests to me, that the addon ought to be at the very pinnacle of what we can expect from a product and I don’t think the ATR is there, but maybe that’s just an issue with my interpretation (although I do think the marketing from Asobo could have been a bit clearer). As you rightly mention, for the price, the ATR in undoubtedly an excellent offering and it’s really just a few bugs holding it back (some of which have already been fixed up). Haha, I’m actually not a big tea drinker, Mark; I don’t dislike tea, but I don’t habitually drink it - I’m a terrible Brit I know XD Cheers once again. I hope you’re having a great weekend!
Bought the ATR on Xbox and I'm having a blast with it. Yes it's got bugs and the throttle is tricky but I'm sure they'll sort it out. Great review as always 👍
Thanks very much David, great to hear that you enjoyed the review! The first update is already out, which is nice to see and I’m pleased to hear that you’ve been having fun with the ATR. Happy flying and all the best! : )
There's certainly a big market for regional jets and turbo-props in MSFS. Lots of simmers that like to be thorough with their flights but don't want to spend numerous hours being engaged like you would for long haul flights. Would like to see some development on an ERJ-145/135, Saab 340, and perhaps a CRJ-100/200 in the future.
Absolutely, Chad; I generally prefer shorter flights in the sim myself. I’d be very keen to see a Saab 340, Fokker F50, ATP, Jetstream etc. I’m sure in time, we’ll see the regional / commuter market fleshed out further : ) Happy flying and all the best!
There are even the older turbo-probs like the HS 748, the Fokker F-27 Friendship, the Fokker F-50 or the Antonov AN-24. I'm very fond of them and they are welcome break from all the newer TPs and jets.
The auto-rotation and the long floating on landing have been addressed in the first update. It was an issue of ground effect. In terms of sensitivity on controls, the reference feel should be achieved with the sensitivity at -30 as this is the default value and so it was taken as the base. In terms of CRZ flight performance the aircraft flies at standard weather within 3% of deviation on FL 160 to 240.
you mean to say that the aircraft was tested with sensitivity set at -30? I thought devs always used the default sensitivty settings as their referance
That’s great to hear Alexander and it’s brilliant to see that the first update has already been put out. That’s an interesting point regarding control sensitivities; I noticed recently, that the default values have changed in the sim and thought that was a bit odd (surely “0” ought to be the baseline and then the sim’s flight modelling tweaked from there). I have my controls set at the default values (other than rudder sensitivity at -50) but I am using a joystick, which of course is going to give a snappier response than a yoke with a decent throw. Thanks very much for the info! : )
Indeed, Stanley; the sounds aren’t “bad” per se, but even to a layman (when it comes to the ATR), it’s pretty clear that the soundset doesn’t do much to capture the noise / atmosphere of a turboprop. Unfortunately, once an aircraft has been released, very few devs tend to make any adjustments to the soundset thereafter (hopefully Hans / Asobo will buck the trend on this occasion). Cheers for the feedback! All the best : )
The video I have been waiting for. Croaky or not, your videos are always at the top of my list to watch an highly valued and appreciated. Hope you feel better soon.
Haha, well thanks very much, Chris! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, despite my slight incapacitation ha. I’m feeling much better now thanks - fighting fit for the next review ; ) Cheers for the kind words. Much appreciated and all the best!
at 19:38, if you press CONFIRM T/O DATA at the bottom right of the 2nd MFD (as per the somewhat cryptic checklist item), it sets the V speed bugs on the primary MFD -- which is nice.
Thanks very much for the pointer Bernard. I didn’t dare touch the 2nd MCDU, as I was worried about another CTD haha (and I had the 2nd MCDU go blank on me a couple of times also). I did get the V speeds up when I was learning the aircraft and then couldn’t remember how I’d done it thereafter XD Much appreciated. All the best! : )
For the aircraft setup, MS wants that the "In Sim Loadpage" should be used and the data then transfers automatically to the EFB. That then calculates the reference data based on the weather conditions set. By that the prep is done and can be transferred to the FMS.
That’s fair enough Alexander. I think it’s preferable to be able to do these sorts of things from within the EFB, but if that’s what Asobo prefers, who am I to argue haha. My only real gripe, was that the weight and balance data was not showing on the EFB, until after the MCDU has been populated. Ideally (in my opinion), the EFB should take the weight data from the sim and then one can readily see what needs to be entered into the MCDU (as is the case with most addons, including the CRJ). I hope that makes sense. Cheers once again : )
Thanks very much Lior, glad you enjoyed it! Yes, it’s great to see that we’ve already had 1 update, that addresses many of the aircraft’s major issues. I’m looking forward to seeing what the future brings for the ATR : ) Cheers and all the best!
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this useful video and the NZ case study flight. Much appreciated. The FPS drop is likely to deter my purchase for now.
My absolute pleasure, Kiwi, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! The FPS drop is indeed a pretty massive hit; whilst I didn’t notice any slowdown during the flight itself, one would hope that Asobo can better optimise the aircraft with subsequent updates. Thanks very much and all the best : )
Great, happy to hear you’re enjoying the ATR, Harold! Have Asobo said that failures will he added at a later date then? Happy flying and all the best : )
The entire plane is a failure simulation. Good luck completing one flight without either the engine failing to start, failing to cut off, the autopilot going crazy, the plane 2 dots under the glide slope in approach mode, etc...
Thanks very much once again, Brandon! I’m glad you enjoyed it : ) I see you’ve been playing with Spitfires; I must say that I’m very jealous (glad you’re enjoying the new job ; ) Cheers, all the best!
Yep, a very valid point, Richie. As I say, I do believe the ATR offers very good value for money, I just think that Asobo could have been a bit clearer with their marketing - that’s where most peoples disappointment really stems from. Had the ATR been marketed with a more modest moniker, I’ve no doubt everyone would be singing its praises. Either way, what matters is the quality of the product of course and it’s great to see that the addon has already received an update : ) Happy flying and all the best!
I have observed the following bugs so far: 1. Aircraft computer freezes when entering cretain VORs like VTN. 2. Aircraft loads up in cold and dark state mid air if you load a save, including of course with the gustlock locked. 3. Weather radar does not work. 4. De iceing auto mode button always shows fault. 5. Computer does not load routes from the route planner, you have to enter everything manually. 6. The flight never ends, even if you power down the aircraft at the gate. 7. Radio sometimes stops working if you enter a frequency manually. 8. The "Minimal lightning" button also includes light inside the cockpit comming from no apparent light source. 9. Airways are broken, as other people have noted. 10. Aircraft always need aileron trim and rudder trim to the right to fly straight (maybe a feature?) 11. You get ice warnings, but there is never any ice on the iceing probe or on the outside of the aircraft.
Thanks very much for your observations, Jakob! Hopefully Asobo / Hans are well aware of them and working away at fixing the issues (if the first update hasn’t taken care of some of them already). Much appreciated and all the best to you! : )
It is great to have the first regional turbo prop, especially at the price point. I agree on finding it difficult to the screens, especially the DME numbers. One bug is that when you hit cold and dark it does not reset the positions of all the switches.
Hi Zarniwoop, It is great to see a regional turboprop in the sim and the ATR offers solid value for money overall. The displays are indeed very tricky to read, but the good news is that the devs seem to have taken that feedback onboard and will apparently be addressing display readability in a later update (they initially wanted to go for accurate displays, which is commendable, but perhaps not practical in this case). The first update has already been put out, which is rather promising and hopefully we’ll see further tweaks to other areas of the product going forward. Cheers and all the best! : )
Haha, not at all! Thanks very much for the kind words and all the best to you : )
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This aircraft isn't my cup of tea but with that said, always a pleasure watching your videos. Hope you'll get 100% well soon buddy and have a great rest of the weekend!
Well thanks very much Richard! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, even if the ATR isn’t the sort of thing you’d ordinarily go for. I’m feeling much better now thanks - fighting fit for the next review haha ; ) Thanks once again! Much appreciated and all the best : )
I will just quickly say that the price point is not really a factor here so much. This is because with it being released under a publisher contract of sorts with Microsoft, the final cost of the DLC has been somewhat subsidised. If Hanns went and tried to publish this on his own, it would no doubt be way more expensive (maybe by at least ~£20). So, the final cost doesn't matter here. Furthermore, Hanns himself has said this ATR was never intended to be 100% simulated. However, he wanted it to at least have realistic flight systems etc. 737NG does a good video discussing the lack consistency between definitions for certain things.
Thanks very much for your thoughts, Lawrence. I take your point and 100% agree - there’s no way the ATR would have been so cheap without Asobo’s backing, but (I think) one can only really judge a product based on what it actually costs, rather than what it probably *should* cost (and at the end of the day, I think most are very happy that we now have a sim that is generally affordable, in terms of addon purchases etc). I wasn’t really expecting the ATR to be “study level”, but I can understand (given Asobo’s “expert level” marketing) why many people were and I can appreciate why they felt a little bit let down as a result. I’m no marketing expert haha, but it’s probably a little bit better to underpromise and overdeliver, rather than vice versa. As you say, with no dictionary definition of all these terms, people end up creating their own ideas / expectations. At the end of the day, I do think the ATR is a good product and will suit many simmers perfectly. There were one or two bugs I would have liked to have seen fixed before release, but that is true of most products these days. Cheers once again and all the best! : )
Thanks very much John, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! Feeling much better now thanks and ready to take on the next review haha ; ) Much appreciated. All the best to you!
Great video & review, as usual. Lovely looking plane & the selected livery & scenery make it look even better. I'm not sure I'd buy, as I prefer GA, but you gave it a thorough going over. I appreciate your going above & beyond to get this one out, especially as you are under the weather. I thought you preferred to go around the weather, not under i! Thanks again.
Thanks very much AS! Indeed, you can’t go too far wrong with a spot of NZ flying and a classic ANZ livery ; ) Haha! Yes, going around the weather is generally to be encouraged, but when you have a you baby at home, it seems you’re just dodging one “storm” after the next haha. I was particularly miffed, as I came down with the lurgy right before my leave XD My pleasure and all the best! : )
I think you nailed it there that this is an intermediate level aircraft. I agree some of the criticisms are unfair, and I think the general negativity towards this aircraft is purely brought on by the "expert" label. If they had never mentioned that word, this would've been a pretty smooth and enjoyable release (bugs aside). I think they've unfortunately done some pretty long term PR damage by hyping everyone up for study level (which I too assumed is what they meant by expert) and letting them down. The other unfortunate thing is that it seems Blackbird (who are consistently capable of making expert/study level addons) dropped their own ATR project due to competitive disadvantages against Asobo. I think had they known the actual fidelity level this aircraft was aiming for they would've continued development. Maybe they will pick it up again but they already have a lot on the go so I'd be surprised. Great, and very fair review!
As someone who has been very critical of this plane - yes, exactly. This plane's definitely worth the 20€ asking price (assuming they'll fix the airway freeze - considering the sim's loading time, that is a pretty big annoyance), but marketing it as "expert level" shows that MS/Asobo have a weird definition of "expert".
@@Taschenschieber People do not realize that the terms "study level" is just a marketing thing used by devs to make their products sound more appealing with a lot of these lacking in many way the closest available right now in MSFS would be the Fenix 320 and PMDG 737's because of their extensive failures simulations and abnormal procedures. At the end of the day not many people use MSFS to do emergency procedures not to mention that you can only really practice the checklist and not the CRM aspect in a home sim and the latter being an essential part of EP's , Aircraft that allow you to follow FCOM for normal procedures only are not an "inferior" product in any way ..... the Asobo/ini A310 FBW 320 or the CRJ for that matter are all nice to fly following normal procedures.
@@XavierLignieres Yeah but that's the thing, the ATR isn't simulating normal ops correctly at this stage, particularly with the flight model. I agree about failures being an acquired taste, but failure simulation is not at all my definition of study level.
@@themighty222 Followed FCOM and completed 28 flights in it so far without ever encountering normal ops discrepancies just the known bugs (some of the instruments/buttons freezing not responding) bugs are not a problem with the aircraft itself though and to be expected with any initial release of software. I have not pushed the flight model nor have I ever flown a real ATR so I don't have anything I can judge it against other than other similar aircraft in sims which they are not many. Are you a real ATR pilot how do you properly judge the flight model of an aircraft in MSFS ? Flight models in MSFS are still a huge moot point with both the PMDG 737's and Fenix having incorrect engine perf and fuel burn and inherent issues with MSFS turboprop and rotor physics. For me the ATR is on par with the INI/Asobo A310 as a day to day ops simulation and the A310 was probably more broken on release as it killed fps and had autopilot issues and physics problems.
Thanks very much TM222, I’m glad you felt that the review broadly hit that nail on the head. I very much agree with your points; Asobo shot themselves in the foot a bit with the marketing. Had this just been another “Local Legend” (and it could have been with the NZ update), we’d all be ranting and raving about what a steal the addon is for $10/20 haha. The bugs are unfortunate, but par for the course these days and it looks as though (with the recent update) most of the ATR’s issues will get fixed up. I’m very much in the same boat, in as much as I’m sad that the Asobo ATR may have killed off the Blackbird version of the aircraft (which no doubt would have been superior). I think there is enough of a gulf between the two products, that Blackbird might consider picking up their ATR again, but it would be a pretty gutsy move, given that the ATR market is now saturated. Thanks very much once again and all the best! : )
I have been eagerly waiting for your review. You always bring the quality! I have to say I agree with most points, yet I´ve really enjoyed the ATR so far. The systems works great for completing a normal flight with basically all buttons operational and that`s generally what I`m looking for. I can accept applying some forward pressure on my yoke until rotation until they fix that. I think the Expert Series label makes sense if viewed within the Asobo/Microsoft line of addons. This is after all a lot more complex than a famous flyer or local legend and not something really well suitable as someone`s first aircraft. One small detail I caught was the flashing MDA. The flashing stops if you set the MDA on the FO`s side as well. Also the screens look great and are easily readable in VR.
Haha, cheers Øystein! I was a bit late to the party with the ATR, so I tried to make up for it with a thorough review : P Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the ATR for what it is. I do still think that Asobo shot themselves in the foot a little bit with the marketing though (getting some people’s hopes up with the “expert level” branding), but I take you’re point and what one considers “expert”, is of course a matter of perspective at the end of the day (Asobo probably could have come up with a more “diplomatic” moniker though ; ) Thanks for the pointer re the MDA. I was wondering about that haha (I assumed it wasn’t supposed to be flashing, but couldn’t figure out how to make it stop). Thanks very much as always! Happy flying : )
I do think the ATR is pretty good value for money overall FG, I just think that Asobo shot themselves in the foot a little with the marketing. If the ATR had been released like any other “Famous Flyer” / “Local Legend”, every man and his dog would be singing the aircraft’s praises haha. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I think it's good value overall but the fact that there are no keybinds for Alt Hold, HDG Hold, Altitude Bug, Heading bug etc etc (the basics) is utterly INSANE. It doesn't make it unflyable - just annoying.
Thank you for yet another great video. Have been busy and played too much DCS and Factory to get around to buy this. Looks decent for the price, though that FPS cut is scary.
You’re most welcome sir! The ATR is certainly decent for the price, but there are better options out there (and it doesn’t come with any AMRAAM’s of GBU’s either ; ) I was somewhat shocked by the FPS hit, I think that’s probably the worst one I have come across in the sim to date. To be fair, the sim didn’t feel any slower during the flight, but I would still hope that Asobo / Hans work on some optimisations haha. Happy flying and have a great weekend! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks mate. I ended up buying it a few days ago. (tbh slight regret i didn't go for the C160) The FPS hit is from the radar. If you turn that off it isn't nearly as bad. Fun thing as DCS pushed Normandy 2 it rekindled my IL-2 love and finally bought into that after a hiatus since the "46 hayday, gues i fly 3 sims now :P Have a great weekend!
Haha, indeed John! Luckily, I’m feeling much better now though and it seems the ATR is also “on the mend”, with the first update having just been released. I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, croaky voice and all haha. Cheers once again! : )
Good plane, great price, and i am sure it will become with updates excelent product! Suit great for me, now I can fly Binter from my home LPMA to LPPS and the canary Islands!
there are some miss procedure broo 1. After you test the Cargo smoke, vent fault becomes on legends on overhead panel you must reset the pushbutton you forget it 2. After start engine you dont back normal position of ignition 3. If you want to release prop brake you must turn on hydraulic by pushbutton on pedestal the times 30 sec ON
There certainly are Reza, but that’s hardly surprising, given that I had to learn the entire operation of the aircraft, without the aid of a manual haha XD Neglecting to turn the ignition off after the start, was something I noticed when watching the video back and that was rather annoying to see ha. The other points you mention, I had no clue about, but I’ll try and remember them for the future (the prop brake seemed to work regardless, so presumably the systems modelling was a little bit “bugged” there also). Cheers for the info. All the best : )
Indeed, Michael; the ATR does seem a little lacklustre in terms of its takeoff performance - a few others have made the same comment. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! All the best : )
Exterior is excellent. Nice attention to detail. Interior has a sharp appearance, but many of the buttons and gauges look just too small. Glass panels just seem hard to read. But a good review. Thanks.
Great video! very informative. They've done a great job with it. I wish your narration would be a little warmer though, It's a bit like listening to a copper give evidence in court.
Copper? Actually that's a great compliment. Factual, accurate, concise and measured information, one reason I subscribe to this channel. "Clear cop!", or maybe I got that phrase wrong :)
Thanks very much Aspect, I’m really glad you (mostly) enjoyed the video haha! Re the narration - you and me both to be honest ha; I’m simply not a natural orator though and whilst I do try my best, I’m certainly aware that my commentary style is probably not as engaging as many other content creators. We’ve all got to work with what we were given though, so what I lack in the entertainment department, I try to make up for with preparedness and a thorough / honest review ; ) Cheers and all the best! : )
Haha, it’s a little bit of both, Don: As people often comment on my “style”, I am conscious of how I end up narrating, but the cadence etc isn’t “put on” and for better or worse, I don’t seem to be able to change it much, even when I try (as soon as I start focusing on the flying etc, I return to default ha). Cheers, all the best!
Hi BOPM, Cheers, I’m glad you enjoyed it! I added in the flight attendant’s briefing during editing (for immersion). There are certain addon programs, that will allow for similar functionality within MSFS (eg PACX) however, I’m not familiar with their operation and haven’t tried them myself. I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
Yes, it’s a lovely livery, isn’t it, BC! To my mind, much more aesthetically pleasing than the “all black” livery, that ANZ have gone with in more recent times. Cheers : )
Great review thanks ! The ATR FMC is only LIKE an airbus FMC, there are a couple of differences. Like in the Airbus you can type in airways etc then LSK them into position, in the ATR you can't do that, you have to LSK then choose what you want from the list that pops up.
Thanks very much once again, Ceegnz! Haha what can I say, I’m a one-trick pony XD To be fair, whilst I haven’t gotten a straight answer either way (and this is the sort of thing where a manual would really come in handy!), my understanding is that using the LSK is the “ATR” way of doing things (hence why none of the real world ATR drivers found the bug), but that entering the airways manually, should still be a valid option also (the ATR’s patch notes would seem to suggest that). Have I got the wrong end of the stick there? Either way, it obviously shouldn’t be causing the MCDU to freeze up entirely, but it’s great to see that the devs have already taken care of that issue ; ) Cheers for your input. Much appreciated!
It’s an amazing aircraft haven’t stop flying it since release some of the bugs are already fixed but as it was released via the marketplace we have to wait for Microsoft slowwwww marketplace team to finnaly release the fix update
I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the aircraft, CS! It’s great to see that the ATR has already had an update and hopefully things will continue to improve going forwards. Happy flying and all the best! : )
Thank you for a great review. For the price, I will probably get this as I will only dip in and out of flying this aircraft. I am sure the bugs will be ironed out and the product improved over time.
Thank you very much Peter, my pleasure as always! I think that’s a reasonable conclusion overall: Whilst the ATR is not perfect, it’s a decent offering for the price and has enough depth to it, that it will be enjoyable to jump in every now and then. It’s great to see that the aircraft has already received an update and I think / hope that there will be more improvements to come. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I think that’s a fair summary, TGDL. Asobo perhaps got a little bit carried away with the “expert level” moniker, but the ATR is good fun and a solid offering given the price. There’s still some work to be done for sure, but it’s great to see that the product has already had its first update. Cheers and all the best! : )
Very good review, it certainly does not deserve some of the criticism it has been receiving, I think it is a well modelled aircraft externally and for the asking price, I think you get a pretty decent aircraft that will suit the average simmer. Not an aircraft I would buy, as I am more of an vintage aircraft user (PMDG's Douglas DC6 and Redwing's Lockheed Constellation etc etc)
Hello, can you recommend me some other aircraft apart from DC-6 which i already own? I've read that Constellation isn't particularly well made - what's your opinion?
@@rymdskrotet On Series X console the FMS does not work and half the switches lack any functionality. It LOOKS amazing in 4K with it's textures and it flies nicely and sounds are great. Just don't think you'll be following a Magenta line anywhere right now. It needs a lot of updating.
I hope so Jeremy. It looks like the intent is there to do so, with the first update having already been released. I would love a quality regional turboprop for the sim and I feel the ATR is halfway there at the moment. No doubt the Majestic Dash 8 will be superb (going off what I have heard regarding the P3D version) and I hope we may yet still see the MILVIZ ATR also. Cheers, all the best! : )
Thanks very much Reason! Haha, well I do hope you enjoy / enjoyed the ATR, as and when the time comes. For $12, one can’t go too far wrong ; ) Happy flying and all the best! : )
I could't believe it was possible to speak faster than the way you did in the past reviews, but in this one you broke the world record. I follow all your videos, which I consider the best available, but it becomes harder and harder. to the point that even the subtitles cannot catch up. My English is quite decent, because I worked many years in an english environement, but following your video it's a real challenge. Your video are very exhaustive, but many times I have to stop, rewind and repeat, because I missed a step while you are already to the next one. Please show a little mercy to the non English motherlanguage
Hello again Ezio, I certainly apologise / sympathise but unfortunately, as I mentioned previously, it’s really tricky to slow down one’s natural rhythm haha. Of course, I want everyone to be able to enjoy the content; perhaps I’ll put out a poll and see if the general consensus aligns with your viewpoint (and then move from there). As you can probably tell, I’m far from a natural orator, so making these sorts of changes is harder (for me) than it may sound. It’s not something I’ve been doing intentionally but once again, I thank you for your feedback and will endeavour to continue improving the content. Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I'll be following your videos anyway because they are the best and I accept the challenge. I realized that at 82 everything slow down, then is not your fault, but my limit 😁👍
I think the "expert" moniker is acceptable as a different name than "Study sim". Like you said with "study sim" it's not some sort of a standardized name recognised by OSI. And as you said at the end with some bug fixes it might be just fine for this name "expert" which for me would mean "hard level" especially for xbox market that needed some easy and clear to understand category. Lots of casual players in the sim... me included and this tier named "expert" certainly doesn't bother me. Bugs aside... that hopefully will be fixed. And for the price... I think is fine. Expert shall be... :D
Hi Zaelu, Of course, neither moniker has a dictionary definition and what is considered “study level”, will vary from one simmer to the next. Arguably, “expert level” is actually less open interpretation haha, but as you (and others) point out, what constitutes “expert”, is somewhat relative; I think many “legacy simmers” felt a little bit let down by the depth of the ATR, given the marketing, but for the “average” MSFS user, the ATR certainly represents a significant step up in complexity. That’s rather what I alluded to in my video; for the more casual simmers amongst us, or simmers at an “intermediate” level, the ATR is a great option, for those who prefer the Fenix A320, or the PMDG 737, the ATR probably isn’t quite going to “scratch that itch” ; ) Either way, I’m really glad you’re enjoying the aircraft and it’s great to see that an update has been put out already : ) Cheers!
Its a nice plane but I wished that the reverse thrust were more realistic. Yes you hear a little sound in the background but not the full burst like the Real ATR 72's.
I think the sounds could be better in general, Abstract. The initial change in sound is actually quite nice when activating reverse, but the noise dies off far too quickly thereafter. I’ve only flown on an ATR a couple of times and whilst I don’t recall the engine sounds all that well (I’ve never been much good with anything audio related), I do recall being amazed at just how quickly we came to a stop on the (very short) runway haha! Cheers, all the best : )
I think that the ‘Expert Level’ naming applies to the Xbox platform only and not the PC platform. They really should sort this out as it’s misleading. You can’t compare it to some of the better PC addons (PMDG/Fenix).
That’s a fair point Ed and an angle that I hadn’t really considered. For the “average” MSFS user, the ATR is probably a very advanced offering and it’s probably largely the “legacy simmers”, who got put out of joint by the “expert” labelling. As you say though, the ATR simply isn’t comparable with the the Fenix, PMDG and Leonardo offerings, so I think “expert level” is still a touch generous. “Intermediate level” really sums up the ATR for me, but granted that doesn’t sound very catchy from a marketing perspective XD Cheers and all the best! : )
I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, Tuhoeterra and indeed seeing Wellington (or Gisborne) airport! Thanks very much for watching and all the best : )
This was great! I'm not a pilot but still enjoyed the critiques you had for it. I still have a LONG way to go with learning all of these things. But again, great video! Also, what are you using for the ATC? I heard something totally different. As well as, where did you get the flight plans from? I see they're for sims only. Thank you!
Thanks very much Soul, I'm really happy to hear that you enjoyed the video! The ATC is real-world recordings (from LiveATC.net), which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : ) I generate my flight plans using SimBrief. You need to need to create an account to use the service, but it's free otherwise and highly recommended! I hope that helps. All the best!
I have an issue where it’s hard for me to “manually” control the throttle. Once I go full throttle, it’s hard to take over so I can reduce speed for decent. My big complaint so far. Not sure if there is a switch to use or am I suppose to use AP take off to landing?
Hello Richard, It seems quite a few people have been having issues with throttles and condition levers (I think there are some bugs). The operation of the throttles should be pretty straightforward; one basically places the throttles in the “notch” detent from takeoff, all the way through to top of descent and then manually adjusts the throttles to maintain the speed thereafter (depending on the autopilot mode in use). Has the recent update fixed your problem? Cheers, all the best! : )
Affirm, sir. Or at least, the addon used to - I don’t know what’s been done with the subsequent updates. The roll tendency wasn’t completely egregious but, certainly more significant than I would imagine is true to life of the real-world airframe. I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
Being a real pilot, how to you set your in sim yoke config? The standard seems to be too fast on the inpust, specially the pitch control. Also found that the trim is exagerating the up/down nose.
Hello João, I’m afraid I can’t offer up much help on that one. I haven’t really investigated / tested different sensitivity settings within MSFS. By default, the sim is indeed too sensitive on the controls, but I think there are some fundamental areas of the flight modelling that need fixing up, in order to address that. Another reason that I haven’t really played around with the sensitivity settings, is that given the number of reviews I do, I think it’s easier / fairer to keep the sim’s default settings and then I’m assessing each addon from a level playing field. All of the above being said, I do use a -50 curve on my rudder haha, as rudder inputs are currently just waaaay too sensitive in MSFS. Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
I’m afraid there is no such option, so far as I am aware, HF. Sorry to hear that the reflections don’t agree with you. You could perhaps try getting in touch with the dev and seeing whether he might consider adding the option to remove the effect. All the best! : )
I think there’s a couple of reasons Andy; 1) Unlike with FSX, it’s now very easy these days, for devs to update products after the fact (with almost everyone having a decent internet connection. 2) Most “Asobo” aircraft are released to tie-in with a specific sim update and therefore have a specific deadline for release. I think this tends to lead towards products being rushed out. 3) I think it’s also just a case of “because they can”. Putting a product on sale before completion, seems to have become industry standard with most forms of software, unfortunately. People seem to be willing to buy a product, regardless of whether or not it has been finished. Devs are aware of this and obviously the practice means they can get the money rolling in sooner rather than later. Personally, I’m generally not a fan of this “early access” model, but I’m pretty sure it’s here to stay. The ATR has received a couple of significant updates at this point though and given the price, I think the addon is in a fairly decent place now (though there is still work to be done). Cheers, all the best! : )
I think that’s a fair assessment Scott. The ATR is not “bad” by any means, but there is certainly still some bugs that need fixing up and work to be done generally. Being an “Asobo” aircraft, I do hope the ATR receives the required updates / fixes (most of these addons seems to get one update and then everything goes quiet). Cheers, all the best! : )
Regarding the ability of a turboprop to slow down, I remember in C-130 school someone asking if it had speed brakes. The instructor told him there were four of them, two on each wing.
Why don’t people just use simbrief downloader until the fms is fixed. Expert is an appropriate moniker for this aircraft compared to the default aircraft
It’s a fair point Michael, in that what one considers to be “expert”, is all relative. I still think some sort of “intermediate” labelling would have been closer to the mark (default aircraft are the “base level”, at the end of the day), but that doesn’t sound very catchy of course haha. I haven’t tried the Simbrief downloader myself, as programming the MCDU is one of the aspects that I enjoy, but it sounds like it could be a good option for many. Cheers and all the best! : )
Hi David, No, the CRJ still has most of its original issues, unfortunately. From what Joe is saying, it sounds like that might change at some point in the future though (fingers crossed). Cheers, all the best!
Hi Andreas, As Joe very kindly points out, I’m using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : ) I hope that helps. All the best!
Hi Jeremy, I pretty much joined my first airline, right after competing my licence. I know that might sound a bit strange in many countries (like the US), but it’s somewhat the “norm” in Europe (where there isn’t really much GA and regional carriers are not hugely extensive either). I did a bunch of different flying and got my PPL when I was fairly young and then eventually went on to do my licence and found myself on the Airbus after flight school : ) I hope that satisfies your curiosity ; ) Cheers, all the best!
A very good question, JD and a point I would certainly have to agree with! I don't like the trend that we have seen within MSFS, of products being released without documentation. With an addon of this complexity, a manual should have been considered essential. All the best!
Hi Takis, I’m afraid, I can’t really go over everything in a single RUclips comment but, there’s no auto throttle in the ATR so, thrust / speed are always controlled manually. For VNAV and VS, the aircraft will fly the programmed / selected profile and it’s up to you to adjust the throttles, in order to maintain your desired speed. For IAS hold, the aircraft will instead hold the selected speed and you can then adjust the power levers, in order to adjust your rate of descent. I hope that helps a little? All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations it helped a lot and thank you so much! I was confused exactly with that if it has auto throttle now I understood because I was always overspeeding the aircraft so thank you once again!!
Hello AB, I’ve no doubt that I will at some point (in fact, I already have another NZ flight pre-recorded). I try to spread my flights around a little geographically, so that there’s something for everyone, but NZ is one of my personal favourite stomping grounds, so you can expect to see a return on the channel for sure ; ) Thanks very much for the suggestion and all the best! : )
Hi Mr Bu, I may look at the Osprey at some point, but it’s not high on my list at the moment I’m afraid. The Osprey does look excellent though and I’m sure it’s great fun. As and when I’m a bit less busy, I will perhaps take a look. Thanks for the suggestion! All the best : )
No one must hear this but I couldn't get mine started even after dutifully following the checklist provided by Jonathan Beckett on his channel. Can't imagine what I'm doing wrong. Will have to follow yours a tad more dutifully then, ITB and hope for the best.
Haha, well I hope you had a bit more luck getting the ATR started then, Kokoete ; ) Just in case you weren’t able to find it, I actually left a link to the Asobo ATR tutorial series, down in the video description. Happy flying and all the best! : )
Hello Atonium, The ATC is real-world recordings (from LiveATC.net), which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : ) I hope that helps. All the best!
Hi: I am one of the developers of the MS/Asobo ATR: we have listened to some users having issues with the readability of the DUs...so one of the next updates will come with an EFB slider to adjust the DU Font size. Be aware though that his might not look perfect in all situations with larger font sizes. We hope this feature still pleases the community, though. Have fun with the ATR!
Do you know how to stop the alarm when you turn on the battery ?
Thanks very much for the info, Ben and indeed the ATR!
That sounds like a great solution. It's very commendable, that the team tried to replicate the displays accurately, but of course this can have its limitations within the sim. At least with your proposed measure, everyone should be able to enjoy the ATR more readily : )
Cheers and all the best!
why this plane has 0.0/5 stars in MSFS store? no one buying them?
Hi Smolex,
If I had to guess, it’s probably something to do with the fact the addon was recently updated (and perhaps the Marketplace now counts it as a “new” product). It’s not the first time I’ve seen something like that happen with regards to ratings on the Marketplace but undoubtedly, the ATR has sold *a lot* of units (and I’m sure received a lot of reviews) haha.
All the best : )
DUDE... YOU SCAMMED ME OF 20 EUROS!! When I load it the battery is on OVRD, not a single screen turns on and wipers are set to fast
It's great to see the ATR and although there are problems, I'm certain that they will be sorted. The price is excellent and I think once the problems are fixed the value will be there. Always good to see Air New Zealand waving the flag, especially flying into NZGS. That's a route I have taken many aeroplanes, both in the sim and in the real world. Many thanks for a great video and review.
Indeed Mr Squirel; it’s nice to finally have a regional turboprop in the sim and a decent / very fairly priced one at that. The ATR is obviously very good value for money, I think Asobo were just a touch ambitious with their “Expert Level” moniker and that’s really where most of the blowback stems from (the product is a fine effort in and of itself). As you say, hopefully the major issues will be fixed up and indeed we have just seen the first patch for the addon.
I’m glad you enjoyed another NZ outing, it’s always somewhere that is an absolute pleasure to fly (indeed, I’m in the process of recording another NZ vid at the moment haha)!
My pleasure on the video! Take care and all the best : )
There is a way to enter airways without freezing the system. Click on the softkey next to the airway field and select the desired airway from the pop-up list provided as opposed to keying the airway name into the airway field. Content provider 737NG Driver has a video that goes into more detail.
That is actually the "correct" way to do this as per ATR FCOM and the reason that bug was overlooked is probably that it was beta tested by ATR pilots that were doing everything by the book. I wish Asobo included aircraft in their public beta testing as a lot of bugs would be found by "incompetent" people , I suspect a few more quirks are do to this and they will be ironed out !
Whenever I do this to enter an airway, it puts it on the flight plan but copies the airway like 5 times over, and I have to go in and delete the extra checkpoints one by one. Very frustrating.
@@XavierLignieres I wonder if the actual aircraft won’t let you do it though? We can’t whinge about something being a bug when it mirrors the correct behaviour, while also whinging that it’s not expert/ study level….
@@jeremyc311709 I experienced this too, then realised I’d entered the waypoint that was on the near end of the airway, not the end I was flying to. Selecting ‘undo’ then selecting the correct waypoint at the FAR end of the airway rectified this
@AviatorTN83 if you do it all from the soft key vs manually entering, it will work perfectly
Given the mixed opinions of the ATR on the various forums, along with the lack of manuals, this video was very much needed. Thank you.
Thank you very much Paul, I’m glad you found the video to be of use! Certainly, the ATR seems to have divided opinion haha. I think a lot of that came down to expectation management, “expert level” is rather a loaded moniker in many respects (if the product had been marketed as any other, I don’t think anyone would disagree that the ATR offers solid value for money). I enjoyed the ATR, but the addon isn’t without its flaws, hopefully I conveyed both of those points during the video : )
Cheers and all the best!
As always, a well done and much appreciated review. I find your insight into these sim aircraft both interesting and entertaining but also one of the most reliable ways of quickly understanding what new aircraft offer to the sim. Very helpful in deciding what to spend your sim flight time on. Nice job!
Thanks very much Kirt, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video! I certainly try to a give a (somewhat) concise overview of what any particular addon has to offer. For my own benefit, as much as anything, I also try to turn that process into an entertaining flight haha. I’m always happy if the review helps someone decide where best to invest their money / time.
Cheers! Much appreciated and all the best : )
So nice watching that landing from the passenger perspective through the window. Your review might have been later than some others but we know we'll get a nicely detailed review.
Thanks very much NG! What I sometimes lack in punctuality, I try to make up for with quality haha.
I’m really glad you enjoyed the landing - the pax view does look rather convincing on the ATR : )
Thanks very much once again, much appreciated!
That view out the airport window brings back fond memories!
Ah well I’m really glad the video brought back some nice memories, Aprilla! Thanks for watching and all the best to you : )
Been looking forward to this one, I always watch your review of an aircraft before buying!
I do hope you enjoyed the video then IG and found it useful in making your purchasing decision. Thanks for watching and all the best! : )
Couldn't resist this for the price!! Overall, pretty happy with it and I imagine it will only get better as bugs are addressed
Absolutely Ray; for the price, one can’t go too far wrong with the ATR and it’s great to see that the first update has already been put out.
I’m glad you’re enjoying the addon. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I got about 3000 hrs on the real thing, but still think the short 360 was better to fly, not in performance terms. Flying the short feels like picking you nose buggers. Kind of feels nice but you don't want anybody to notice.
Ha ha that comment made my day!
It feels underpowered fully loaded in the sim. Is that real to life?
I've flown on them as a few times as a passenger, Dublin-Manchester, not much slower than an A320.
@@spuriouspodge7416 In the summer full load 500 feet/min if you lucky 🤞. In the winter so much ice that it gets scary. Like flying on top af a flagpole. The short is formed like a wing itself and strappers and stuff hanging out and says Hello stick to me please. Had two engine failure within a couple of months eachother. The last on dropped out of the Sky and we managed to get going level flight at around 1500 feet, flaps almost full deployed to avoid stalling. Prop Governor failure and unable to fully feather 🪶. Lot of ice and flaps didn't make things easier. Just about 50 nm off the coastline. I got a pratt and whitney dependable engines tattoo 😊 after that one, after all the engine didn't failed right but what a noise when the propeller was trying to match the 28000 rpm of the power turbine. What saved us I think was the warm water over the sea Vs much colder air over land in winter times and we could clean up and limp back under the cloud cover. The most funny part was, when it happened I was smoking a fag and had a Coca-Cola can in my other hand and the skipper trying to get rid of his fag to me. I Will never forget the fought of what was potentially awaiting us descending towards the sea.
A Short 360 in the sim would be fun. It looks like a box other airplanes come in.
Black Box simulation is bringing the Short 330 but also its larger sibling, the Short 360, and the C-23 SHERPA to the sim and is currently in beta testing so I believe 😊
Clear throat, I mean prop 😂. Hope you get better soon, and thanks for doing the review even when you were feeling poorly. Totally agree about the ATR being a joy to taxi. Out of the three aircraft I use with joystick twist axis NWS (incl FBW A320 and BAe146) this one is easily the nicest.
Haha! XD
Thanks very much Achim! I’m certainly feeling a whole lot better now (although there might still be one or two videos with a slightly croaky voice haha).
My pleasure on the video, I was gutted that I couldn’t do it sooner!
Much appreciated and all the best to you : )
Another excellent video. Would love to see some exterior replay shots of takeoff/landing incorporated into your videos. Would really put the icing on the cake.
Thanks very much Eamon, I’m really glad you enjoyed it!
I actually often used to have external shots during the takeoff and landing (and still do sometimes), but gravitated more towards wing views, as I felt they maintained the “immersion” a little better. What I would like to do, is have takeoff / landing flyby views, but I’ve still not found a completely satisfactory way of accomplishing that. Anyway, thanks very much for your suggestion and I will keep it under advisement ; )
Much appreciated and all the best! : )
Great review, and nice to see a familiar scheme in a familiar location! Agree with all points you’ve raised, it certainly is FPS heavy on my system too. Hopefully the upcoming patches announced on todays dev stream will address some of the shortcomings we’ve noticed. Still a bargain for $19 though!
Thanks very much zkd0s! I was waiting (with baited breath haha) to see what you thought - I’m glad I wasn’t too far wide of the mark. It’s great to see that the first patch has already gone out and hopefully we’ll continue to see the ATR improve. As you say, one can’t go too far wrong for $10 / $20 ; )
Thanks very much also for the tutorials, they proved very helpful in getting me started!
Cheers as always! Hope you’re keeping well : )
An absolute bargain, given the poor value of other purchases.
Took a little time sorting the throttle out but eventually did a great ifr from Manchester to Bremen. No complaints. Thanks for vid, always pick up something from them 👍👍
Glad you’re enjoying the ATR sir! My pleasure on the video (happy to hear you felt you got something out of it : )
Happy flying!
I appreciate your unbiased review and preparation work prior to publish this review.
The Expert label defined by MS is more a label to differentiate within their aircraft offering, like also their take on vintage or historical aircraft. As MS does not want to publish aircraft with failure simulation, at least until current, study level is term not applicable, but the term Expert is more meant that it is required to deep dive into systems and functionalities to proper fly the aircraft. The lack of manuals on all their aircraft is their decision and I hope it will be revised to allow simmers to have an easier start into flying complex airliners, which certainly require a basic "expertise" in aircraft system and navigation skills.
Thanks very much for the clarification, Alexander and indeed your kind words.
Personally, I still feel that the “expert” moniker is somewhat misleading, but I can appreciate that Asobo wants to differentiate this addon series from the others. “Advanced” (or something similar) might have perhaps been a better term (to me, “expert” really suggests the highest level in complexity). As much as I love Asobo and the sim that they have given us, I strongly disagree with their decision regarding manuals; documentation is not a “nice to have”, it’s an important part of the product (especially one of this complexity) and to call something “expert level” and then not provide a manual, seems a little bit of a juxtaposition to me. It’s also disappointing to see that this trend is starting to catch on with other developers. We have arguably the greatest flight simulator of all time, but it’s sad that new simmers are not being given the same opportunities to learn / improve, as many of us were in older sims (tutorials and documentation were always superb in older Microsoft sims).
Thanks very much once again! All the best : )
37:30 Where entering weights and fuel are concerned, there are two ways. The first is to enter them into the FMS to populate the EFB. The second is to set them in the sim's own weight panel, then long--press the ZFW and fuel LSK buttons to transfer that to the airplane.
Thanks very much for the info, Jon! The long-press option is certainly a good trick to know. What I was ideally after, was that the EFB take the sim’s weight data and display that directly or better yet, that the aircraft’s weight can be adjusted via the EFB. Currently, the logic seems to be a bit backwards to me, as it’s not much use having an EFB which tells you what you already know (having already entered the data into the MCDU).
Much appreciated! All the best : )
You can solve the issue with the airway by clicking on where it says airway and then there should be a list of airways, and then click on the waypoint button and select the waypoint after the airway. 737NGDriver has a good video on his channel if you have any questions!
Yes, I can confirm that does work but the shorter method of entry not working and causing either a lock-up or duplicate entries to appear in the flightplan is certainly still a bug that needs addressing. 737NGDriver's latest videos on this subject seem to point the finger at it being largely user error as a result of the lack of documentation.
@@I_Evo Indeed as the way mentioned above is the ATR FCOM way.
@@XavierLignieres Yes, but I doubt doing it the 'incorrect' way in the real aircraft results in the FMC locking up or the other funky things I've seen.
@I Evo It does not indeed but they only let real ATR pilots test the aircraft, and they did everything by the book so they missed the bug.
This is beta testing 101 they failed at ! Always have "incompetent" people try and break your software to make sure it's fool proof.
Thanks very much for the pointer, BleachMan!
I seem to recall, that I was having issues with the airways whichever method I used, but perhaps I have misremembered. . . That certainly wasn’t the only issue I was having with the MCDU’s at any rate. It’s great to see that the recent update has at least partially fixed the issue though.
Cheers for the feedback. Much appreciated and all the best! : )
People have serious problems with placing expectations. The whole debate about the ATR comes from that. When a plane takes 20+ minutes to start up, you need a manual for knowing its ins and outs and it's on the level of the CRJ or the FBW A320 then I think it's rightfully called an expert level product. Also, bugs don't affect systems fidelity, they're just errors to be fixed, but the fidelity is the same regardless. For this price, I really don't see any better deal in the marketplace right now, for people who like airliners. Thank you for the detailed review!
Hello Gábor,
I’m 50/50 with you on that one ; )
Indeed, expectation management can often be a problem. Sometimes it’s self-induced and sometimes the devs have a part to play (as has been said on a number of occasions, the fact that many of these terms such as “study level” etc are open to interpretation, often adds fuel to the fire also). The ATR’s main “issue”, was that people set their hopes very high (I would argue, somewhat as a result of the marketing) and then many felt a little bit disappointed / frustrated as a result. There’s no doubt in my mind, has the ATR been marketed as “just” another product, we’d all be singing it’s praises.
Where I disagree somewhat, is that to me, “study level” or (arguably even more so) “expert level”, really suggests the pinnacle in terms of fidelity / accuracy etc. To me, neither the CRJ, FBW A320, or indeed the ATR fall under that umbrella (though of course there’s no right or wrong answer, it’s just *my* opinion). Bugs are not the same as a lack I systems fidelity, I agree, but on the face of it, the ATR seemed to have areas that were “lacking”, as compared with the likes of the Fenix A320, PMDG 737 etc.
All of the above being said, I do think the ATR is a very solid offering for the price! As I said in the video, I think it’s a brilliant offering for “intermediate” simmers and those of us who don’t need every rivet to be in the correct spot, before we can go and enjoy the flight. It’s great to see that the first update for the aircraft has already been put out and I hope we will see the ATR go from strength to strength.
That’s my take on the situation anyway, for what it’s worth haha.
Cheers for your thoughts and all the best! : )
Another great review, thanks. I can see in other comments that you have come across the perfect tone for the flight/review you do. It feels like we are there in the plane with you and not watching a youtube video. Happy landings, cheers!
Thank you very much for the kind words, Pedro! Haha well, my commentary style seems to receive mixed reviews, but it’s not something I do on purpose, so I guess you’re all stuck with it ; ) I’m really glad you feel it makes the whole experience more immersive though; I very much want my videos to feel like you are sitting in the pilot’s seat.
My absolute pleasure! Thanks again and all the best : )
I have worked on the ATR 42/ 72 - 200s in real life and done ground runs on them. They definitely taxi under idle on flat ground. Normally you keep them in Beta for quick differential power turning
Thanks very much for the info, Jon. Always good to hear from those that have actual experience with the aircraft : )
Much appreciated, all the best!
GREAT flight Captain. For the average Desk Pilot "Study Level/Expert" is more spot on. For a Real Airline Pilot it's good to hear the specific issues that need attention. Keep in mind the price of the aircraft and for that, a few issues can be dealt with and hopefully they will listen to the issues and make appropriate upgrades.
OK Captain, after that flight, grab your favorite chair and have a cup of tea. I'm sure, it always makes you feel better! !! !!!
Many thanks once again, Mark!
I very much agree that for the “average” simmer, the ATR is a nice option and indeed, I largely enjoyed the addon myself. “Expert level” suggests to me, that the addon ought to be at the very pinnacle of what we can expect from a product and I don’t think the ATR is there, but maybe that’s just an issue with my interpretation (although I do think the marketing from Asobo could have been a bit clearer). As you rightly mention, for the price, the ATR in undoubtedly an excellent offering and it’s really just a few bugs holding it back (some of which have already been fixed up).
Haha, I’m actually not a big tea drinker, Mark; I don’t dislike tea, but I don’t habitually drink it - I’m a terrible Brit I know XD
Cheers once again. I hope you’re having a great weekend!
Bought the ATR on Xbox and I'm having a blast with it. Yes it's got bugs and the throttle is tricky but I'm sure they'll sort it out. Great review as always 👍
Thanks very much David, great to hear that you enjoyed the review! The first update is already out, which is nice to see and I’m pleased to hear that you’ve been having fun with the ATR.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
There's certainly a big market for regional jets and turbo-props in MSFS. Lots of simmers that like to be thorough with their flights but don't want to spend numerous hours being engaged like you would for long haul flights. Would like to see some development on an ERJ-145/135, Saab 340, and perhaps a CRJ-100/200 in the future.
Absolutely, Chad; I generally prefer shorter flights in the sim myself. I’d be very keen to see a Saab 340, Fokker F50, ATP, Jetstream etc. I’m sure in time, we’ll see the regional / commuter market fleshed out further : )
Happy flying and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulationswe need the de havilland dash 800 too its in the same category
There are even the older turbo-probs like the HS 748, the Fokker F-27 Friendship, the Fokker F-50 or the Antonov AN-24. I'm very fond of them and they are welcome break from all the newer TPs and jets.
The auto-rotation and the long floating on landing have been addressed in the first update. It was an issue of ground effect.
In terms of sensitivity on controls, the reference feel should be achieved with the sensitivity at -30 as this is the default value and so it was taken as the base.
In terms of CRZ flight performance the aircraft flies at standard weather within 3% of deviation on FL 160 to 240.
Is this update publicly released, or still in testing?
@@SamCAviation Already included with the updated version.
@@metzgergva are you saying that's the one on marketplace because no, it currently autorotates.
you mean to say that the aircraft was tested with sensitivity set at -30? I thought devs always used the default sensitivty settings as their referance
That’s great to hear Alexander and it’s brilliant to see that the first update has already been put out. That’s an interesting point regarding control sensitivities; I noticed recently, that the default values have changed in the sim and thought that was a bit odd (surely “0” ought to be the baseline and then the sim’s flight modelling tweaked from there). I have my controls set at the default values (other than rudder sensitivity at -50) but I am using a joystick, which of course is going to give a snappier response than a yoke with a decent throw.
Thanks very much for the info! : )
After having worked with these planes, the sound of this simulation breaks my heart...
Indeed, Stanley; the sounds aren’t “bad” per se, but even to a layman (when it comes to the ATR), it’s pretty clear that the soundset doesn’t do much to capture the noise / atmosphere of a turboprop. Unfortunately, once an aircraft has been released, very few devs tend to make any adjustments to the soundset thereafter (hopefully Hans / Asobo will buck the trend on this occasion).
Cheers for the feedback! All the best : )
The video I have been waiting for. Croaky or not, your videos are always at the top of my list to watch an highly valued and appreciated. Hope you feel better soon.
Haha, well thanks very much, Chris! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, despite my slight incapacitation ha. I’m feeling much better now thanks - fighting fit for the next review ; )
Cheers for the kind words. Much appreciated and all the best!
at 19:38, if you press CONFIRM T/O DATA at the bottom right of the 2nd MFD (as per the somewhat cryptic checklist item), it sets the V speed bugs on the primary MFD -- which is nice.
Thanks very much for the pointer Bernard. I didn’t dare touch the 2nd MCDU, as I was worried about another CTD haha (and I had the 2nd MCDU go blank on me a couple of times also). I did get the V speeds up when I was learning the aircraft and then couldn’t remember how I’d done it thereafter XD
Much appreciated. All the best! : )
For the aircraft setup, MS wants that the "In Sim Loadpage" should be used and the data then transfers automatically to the EFB. That then calculates the reference data based on the weather conditions set. By that the prep is done and can be transferred to the FMS.
That’s fair enough Alexander. I think it’s preferable to be able to do these sorts of things from within the EFB, but if that’s what Asobo prefers, who am I to argue haha. My only real gripe, was that the weight and balance data was not showing on the EFB, until after the MCDU has been populated. Ideally (in my opinion), the EFB should take the weight data from the sim and then one can readily see what needs to be entered into the MCDU (as is the case with most addons, including the CRJ). I hope that makes sense.
Cheers once again : )
great review as always. Glad to see an update is coming out I think on the 9th and that further functionality is being developed
Thanks very much Lior, glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, it’s great to see that we’ve already had 1 update, that addresses many of the aircraft’s major issues. I’m looking forward to seeing what the future brings for the ATR : )
Cheers and all the best!
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this useful video and the NZ case study flight. Much appreciated. The FPS drop is likely to deter my purchase for now.
My absolute pleasure, Kiwi, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! The FPS drop is indeed a pretty massive hit; whilst I didn’t notice any slowdown during the flight itself, one would hope that Asobo can better optimise the aircraft with subsequent updates.
Thanks very much and all the best : )
I really love this turbo prop, having alot of fun flying it! I am looking forward for failure simulation.
Who said there's going to be failure simulation?
Great, happy to hear you’re enjoying the ATR, Harold! Have Asobo said that failures will he added at a later date then?
Happy flying and all the best : )
The entire plane is a failure simulation. Good luck completing one flight without either the engine failing to start, failing to cut off, the autopilot going crazy, the plane 2 dots under the glide slope in approach mode, etc...
As expected, a truly wonderful video!
Thanks very much once again, Brandon! I’m glad you enjoyed it : )
I see you’ve been playing with Spitfires; I must say that I’m very jealous (glad you’re enjoying the new job ; )
Cheers, all the best!
It's fun to fly, short landings are a blast but don't expect anything study level.
Even with its issues, you don't get an aircraft with such dept for 20 bucks, plus there will be improvements.
Yep, a very valid point, Richie. As I say, I do believe the ATR offers very good value for money, I just think that Asobo could have been a bit clearer with their marketing - that’s where most peoples disappointment really stems from. Had the ATR been marketed with a more modest moniker, I’ve no doubt everyone would be singing its praises. Either way, what matters is the quality of the product of course and it’s great to see that the addon has already received an update : )
Happy flying and all the best!
I have observed the following bugs so far:
1. Aircraft computer freezes when entering cretain VORs like VTN.
2. Aircraft loads up in cold and dark state mid air if you load a save, including of course with the gustlock locked.
3. Weather radar does not work.
4. De iceing auto mode button always shows fault.
5. Computer does not load routes from the route planner, you have to enter everything manually.
6. The flight never ends, even if you power down the aircraft at the gate.
7. Radio sometimes stops working if you enter a frequency manually.
8. The "Minimal lightning" button also includes light inside the cockpit comming from no apparent light source.
9. Airways are broken, as other people have noted.
10. Aircraft always need aileron trim and rudder trim to the right to fly straight (maybe a feature?)
11. You get ice warnings, but there is never any ice on the iceing probe or on the outside of the aircraft.
Thanks very much for your observations, Jakob!
Hopefully Asobo / Hans are well aware of them and working away at fixing the issues (if the first update hasn’t taken care of some of them already).
Much appreciated and all the best to you! : )
It is great to have the first regional turbo prop, especially at the price point. I agree on finding it difficult to the screens, especially the DME numbers. One bug is that when you hit cold and dark it does not reset the positions of all the switches.
Hi Zarniwoop,
It is great to see a regional turboprop in the sim and the ATR offers solid value for money overall. The displays are indeed very tricky to read, but the good news is that the devs seem to have taken that feedback onboard and will apparently be addressing display readability in a later update (they initially wanted to go for accurate displays, which is commendable, but perhaps not practical in this case). The first update has already been put out, which is rather promising and hopefully we’ll see further tweaks to other areas of the product going forward.
Cheers and all the best! : )
You can zoom the nav display by clicking on the glass of the ND itself. Top is zoom in and bottom is out. I believe lol
Thanks very much CTL, I did indeed do that during the video hehe ; )
The pointer is much appreciated though. All the best! : )
@IntotheBlueSimulations I suppose I need to watch all before commenting. Won't happen again. Keep up the best flight sim videos out there
Haha, not at all! Thanks very much for the kind words and all the best to you : )
This aircraft isn't my cup of tea but with that said, always a pleasure watching your videos. Hope you'll get 100% well soon buddy and have a great rest of the weekend!
Well thanks very much Richard! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, even if the ATR isn’t the sort of thing you’d ordinarily go for.
I’m feeling much better now thanks - fighting fit for the next review haha ; )
Thanks once again! Much appreciated and all the best : )
Good to hear 👍
I will just quickly say that the price point is not really a factor here so much. This is because with it being released under a publisher contract of sorts with Microsoft, the final cost of the DLC has been somewhat subsidised. If Hanns went and tried to publish this on his own, it would no doubt be way more expensive (maybe by at least ~£20).
So, the final cost doesn't matter here. Furthermore, Hanns himself has said this ATR was never intended to be 100% simulated. However, he wanted it to at least have realistic flight systems etc. 737NG does a good video discussing the lack consistency between definitions for certain things.
Thanks very much for your thoughts, Lawrence. I take your point and 100% agree - there’s no way the ATR would have been so cheap without Asobo’s backing, but (I think) one can only really judge a product based on what it actually costs, rather than what it probably *should* cost (and at the end of the day, I think most are very happy that we now have a sim that is generally affordable, in terms of addon purchases etc).
I wasn’t really expecting the ATR to be “study level”, but I can understand (given Asobo’s “expert level” marketing) why many people were and I can appreciate why they felt a little bit let down as a result. I’m no marketing expert haha, but it’s probably a little bit better to underpromise and overdeliver, rather than vice versa. As you say, with no dictionary definition of all these terms, people end up creating their own ideas / expectations.
At the end of the day, I do think the ATR is a good product and will suit many simmers perfectly. There were one or two bugs I would have liked to have seen fixed before release, but that is true of most products these days.
Cheers once again and all the best! : )
I can hear you had a cold in this video. I hope you're feeling better!
Haha! I did and I am, thanks very much, Arthur! Much appreciated, all the best : )
Another quality review dude, cheers.
Cheers Mark, much appreciated! : )
This is another great review - thanks.
P.S. get well soon!
Thanks very much John, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! Feeling much better now thanks and ready to take on the next review haha ; )
Much appreciated. All the best to you!
Great video & review, as usual. Lovely looking plane & the selected livery & scenery make it look even better. I'm not sure I'd buy, as I prefer GA, but you gave it a thorough going over. I appreciate your going above & beyond to get this one out, especially as you are under the weather. I thought you preferred to go around the weather, not under i! Thanks again.
Thanks very much AS! Indeed, you can’t go too far wrong with a spot of NZ flying and a classic ANZ livery ; )
Haha! Yes, going around the weather is generally to be encouraged, but when you have a you baby at home, it seems you’re just dodging one “storm” after the next haha. I was particularly miffed, as I came down with the lurgy right before my leave XD
My pleasure and all the best! : )
I think you nailed it there that this is an intermediate level aircraft. I agree some of the criticisms are unfair, and I think the general negativity towards this aircraft is purely brought on by the "expert" label. If they had never mentioned that word, this would've been a pretty smooth and enjoyable release (bugs aside). I think they've unfortunately done some pretty long term PR damage by hyping everyone up for study level (which I too assumed is what they meant by expert) and letting them down. The other unfortunate thing is that it seems Blackbird (who are consistently capable of making expert/study level addons) dropped their own ATR project due to competitive disadvantages against Asobo. I think had they known the actual fidelity level this aircraft was aiming for they would've continued development. Maybe they will pick it up again but they already have a lot on the go so I'd be surprised. Great, and very fair review!
As someone who has been very critical of this plane - yes, exactly. This plane's definitely worth the 20€ asking price (assuming they'll fix the airway freeze - considering the sim's loading time, that is a pretty big annoyance), but marketing it as "expert level" shows that MS/Asobo have a weird definition of "expert".
@@Taschenschieber People do not realize that the terms "study level" is just a marketing thing used by devs to make their products sound more appealing with a lot of these lacking in many way the closest available right now in MSFS would be the Fenix 320 and PMDG 737's because of their extensive failures simulations and abnormal procedures. At the end of the day not many people use MSFS to do emergency procedures not to mention that you can only really practice the checklist and not the CRM aspect in a home sim and the latter being an essential part of EP's , Aircraft that allow you to follow FCOM for normal procedures only are not an "inferior" product in any way ..... the Asobo/ini A310 FBW 320 or the CRJ for that matter are all nice to fly following normal procedures.
@@XavierLignieres Yeah but that's the thing, the ATR isn't simulating normal ops correctly at this stage, particularly with the flight model. I agree about failures being an acquired taste, but failure simulation is not at all my definition of study level.
@@themighty222 Followed FCOM and completed 28 flights in it so far without ever encountering normal ops discrepancies just the known bugs (some of the instruments/buttons freezing not responding) bugs are not a problem with the aircraft itself though and to be expected with any initial release of software.
I have not pushed the flight model nor have I ever flown a real ATR so I don't have anything I can judge it against other than other similar aircraft in sims which they are not many.
Are you a real ATR pilot how do you properly judge the flight model of an aircraft in MSFS ? Flight models in MSFS are still a huge moot point with both the PMDG 737's and Fenix having incorrect engine perf and fuel burn and inherent issues with MSFS turboprop and rotor physics.
For me the ATR is on par with the INI/Asobo A310 as a day to day ops simulation and the A310 was probably more broken on release as it killed fps and had autopilot issues and physics problems.
Thanks very much TM222, I’m glad you felt that the review broadly hit that nail on the head.
I very much agree with your points; Asobo shot themselves in the foot a bit with the marketing. Had this just been another “Local Legend” (and it could have been with the NZ update), we’d all be ranting and raving about what a steal the addon is for $10/20 haha. The bugs are unfortunate, but par for the course these days and it looks as though (with the recent update) most of the ATR’s issues will get fixed up.
I’m very much in the same boat, in as much as I’m sad that the Asobo ATR may have killed off the Blackbird version of the aircraft (which no doubt would have been superior). I think there is enough of a gulf between the two products, that Blackbird might consider picking up their ATR again, but it would be a pretty gutsy move, given that the ATR market is now saturated.
Thanks very much once again and all the best! : )
I have been eagerly waiting for your review. You always bring the quality! I have to say I agree with most points, yet I´ve really enjoyed the ATR so far. The systems works great for completing a normal flight with basically all buttons operational and that`s generally what I`m looking for. I can accept applying some forward pressure on my yoke until rotation until they fix that. I think the Expert Series label makes sense if viewed within the Asobo/Microsoft line of addons. This is after all a lot more complex than a famous flyer or local legend and not something really well suitable as someone`s first aircraft. One small detail I caught was the flashing MDA. The flashing stops if you set the MDA on the FO`s side as well. Also the screens look great and are easily readable in VR.
Haha, cheers Øystein! I was a bit late to the party with the ATR, so I tried to make up for it with a thorough review : P
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the ATR for what it is. I do still think that Asobo shot themselves in the foot a little bit with the marketing though (getting some people’s hopes up with the “expert level” branding), but I take you’re point and what one considers “expert”, is of course a matter of perspective at the end of the day (Asobo probably could have come up with a more “diplomatic” moniker though ; )
Thanks for the pointer re the MDA. I was wondering about that haha (I assumed it wasn’t supposed to be flashing, but couldn’t figure out how to make it stop).
Thanks very much as always! Happy flying : )
Safe travels have a good flight
Great review you never let us down.
Haha, thanks very much Runman, I try my best ; )
Much appreciated! I’m really glad you enjoyed it. Cheers : )
As always, a solid flight and great review of FS2020 aircraft! Thank you sir!
Thanks very much Turbo Life, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! My pleasure and all the best to you : )
I think it was a steal at the price even though it is not as amazing as advertised (at least for now).
I do think the ATR is pretty good value for money overall FG, I just think that Asobo shot themselves in the foot a little with the marketing. If the ATR had been released like any other “Famous Flyer” / “Local Legend”, every man and his dog would be singing the aircraft’s praises haha.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
I think it's good value overall but the fact that there are no keybinds for Alt Hold, HDG Hold, Altitude Bug, Heading bug etc etc (the basics) is utterly INSANE. It doesn't make it unflyable - just annoying.
Thank you for yet another great video. Have been busy and played too much DCS and Factory to get around to buy this. Looks decent for the price, though that FPS cut is scary.
You’re most welcome sir!
The ATR is certainly decent for the price, but there are better options out there (and it doesn’t come with any AMRAAM’s of GBU’s either ; )
I was somewhat shocked by the FPS hit, I think that’s probably the worst one I have come across in the sim to date. To be fair, the sim didn’t feel any slower during the flight, but I would still hope that Asobo / Hans work on some optimisations haha.
Happy flying and have a great weekend! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks mate. I ended up buying it a few days ago. (tbh slight regret i didn't go for the C160)
The FPS hit is from the radar. If you turn that off it isn't nearly as bad.
Fun thing as DCS pushed Normandy 2 it rekindled my IL-2 love and finally bought into that after a hiatus since the "46 hayday, gues i fly 3 sims now :P
Have a great weekend!
My Favorit Flyer of all! I LOVE IT!
Safe travels have a good flight ❤❤❤❤😊
You do sound a bit under the weather! So not only is the plane riddled with bugs but so is ITB! 😀 Despite the bugs I thoroughly enjoyed the video.
Haha, indeed John! Luckily, I’m feeling much better now though and it seems the ATR is also “on the mend”, with the first update having just been released.
I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, croaky voice and all haha. Cheers once again! : )
I just bought this one and am getting ready to fly it from KIND to KCMH. Just a quick one to see if I can handle it and how it flies.
I hope you enjoyed your trip, L CC! Happy flying and all the best : )
Good plane, great price, and i am sure it will become with updates excelent product! Suit great for me, now I can fly Binter from my home LPMA to LPPS and the canary Islands!
I'm glad you've been enjoying the ATR, Sergio! Happy flying and all the best : )
there are some miss procedure broo
1. After you test the Cargo smoke, vent fault becomes on legends on overhead panel you must reset the pushbutton you forget it
2. After start engine you dont back normal position of ignition
3. If you want to release prop brake you must turn on hydraulic by pushbutton on pedestal the times 30 sec ON
There certainly are Reza, but that’s hardly surprising, given that I had to learn the entire operation of the aircraft, without the aid of a manual haha XD
Neglecting to turn the ignition off after the start, was something I noticed when watching the video back and that was rather annoying to see ha. The other points you mention, I had no clue about, but I’ll try and remember them for the future (the prop brake seemed to work regardless, so presumably the systems modelling was a little bit “bugged” there also).
Cheers for the info. All the best : )
That takeoff roll seemed very long. ATR usually gets get off the ground in Wellington about halfway along the runway.
Indeed, Michael; the ATR does seem a little lacklustre in terms of its takeoff performance - a few others have made the same comment. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!
All the best : )
Exterior is excellent. Nice attention to detail. Interior has a sharp appearance, but many of the buttons and gauges look just too small. Glass panels just seem hard to read. But a good review. Thanks.
You can adjust brilliance via the buttons below and they will stay as you once changed them to your liking.
You go make it then you sook
@@metzgergva you have made these comments as a reply, not on the video
@@metzgergva Not that failures on a turboprop would work in MSFS as their turboprop physics re still very much WIP !
@@blindsight_music_ Thanks for the hint. Will copy them onto higher level
Great video! very informative. They've done a great job with it. I wish your narration would be a little warmer though, It's a bit like listening to a copper give evidence in court.
I know what you mean and it’s the reason I never really watch this guy. His narration is very wooden indeed.
It's either intentionally or subconsciously the tone and cadence of a pilot on comms.
Copper? Actually that's a great compliment. Factual, accurate, concise and measured information, one reason I subscribe to this channel. "Clear cop!", or maybe I got that phrase wrong :)
Thanks very much Aspect, I’m really glad you (mostly) enjoyed the video haha! Re the narration - you and me both to be honest ha; I’m simply not a natural orator though and whilst I do try my best, I’m certainly aware that my commentary style is probably not as engaging as many other content creators. We’ve all got to work with what we were given though, so what I lack in the entertainment department, I try to make up for with preparedness and a thorough / honest review ; )
Cheers and all the best! : )
Haha, it’s a little bit of both, Don: As people often comment on my “style”, I am conscious of how I end up narrating, but the cadence etc isn’t “put on” and for better or worse, I don’t seem to be able to change it much, even when I try (as soon as I start focusing on the flying etc, I return to default ha).
Cheers, all the best!
Its a lot of fun for the price took me ages to get to know how to fly it ,but I'm getting there it great in VR .Waiting for a Dash8 to come to msfs.
Glad to hear that you're enjoying the ATR, Dave! Happy flying and all the best : )
Neat video! How did you manage to get the flight attendant briefing? Is there a switch in the aircraft?
Hi BOPM,
Cheers, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
I added in the flight attendant’s briefing during editing (for immersion). There are certain addon programs, that will allow for similar functionality within MSFS (eg PACX) however, I’m not familiar with their operation and haven’t tried them myself.
I hope that clarifies things. All the best! : )
A beautiful aircraft.
Love that livery!
Yes, it’s a lovely livery, isn’t it, BC! To my mind, much more aesthetically pleasing than the “all black” livery, that ANZ have gone with in more recent times.
Cheers : )
Great review thanks ! The ATR FMC is only LIKE an airbus FMC, there are a couple of differences. Like in the Airbus you can type in airways etc then LSK them into position, in the ATR you can't do that, you have to LSK then choose what you want from the list that pops up.
Thanks very much once again, Ceegnz!
Haha what can I say, I’m a one-trick pony XD
To be fair, whilst I haven’t gotten a straight answer either way (and this is the sort of thing where a manual would really come in handy!), my understanding is that using the LSK is the “ATR” way of doing things (hence why none of the real world ATR drivers found the bug), but that entering the airways manually, should still be a valid option also (the ATR’s patch notes would seem to suggest that). Have I got the wrong end of the stick there? Either way, it obviously shouldn’t be causing the MCDU to freeze up entirely, but it’s great to see that the devs have already taken care of that issue ; )
Cheers for your input. Much appreciated!
It’s an amazing aircraft haven’t stop flying it since release some of the bugs are already fixed but as it was released via the marketplace we have to wait for Microsoft slowwwww marketplace team to finnaly release the fix update
I’m really happy to hear that you’re enjoying the aircraft, CS! It’s great to see that the ATR has already had an update and hopefully things will continue to improve going forwards.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
Thank you for a great review. For the price, I will probably get this as I will only dip in and out of flying this aircraft. I am sure the bugs will be ironed out and the product improved over time.
Thank you very much Peter, my pleasure as always!
I think that’s a reasonable conclusion overall: Whilst the ATR is not perfect, it’s a decent offering for the price and has enough depth to it, that it will be enjoyable to jump in every now and then. It’s great to see that the aircraft has already received an update and I think / hope that there will be more improvements to come.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
It’s good fun, little overhyped though. Solid base but needs quite some refinement to MCDU, autopilot and flight dynamics.
I think that’s a fair summary, TGDL. Asobo perhaps got a little bit carried away with the “expert level” moniker, but the ATR is good fun and a solid offering given the price. There’s still some work to be done for sure, but it’s great to see that the product has already had its first update.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Very good review, it certainly does not deserve some of the criticism it has been receiving, I think it is a well modelled aircraft externally and for the asking price, I think you get a pretty decent aircraft that will suit the average simmer. Not an aircraft I would buy, as I am more of an vintage aircraft user (PMDG's Douglas DC6 and Redwing's Lockheed Constellation etc etc)
Hello, can you recommend me some other aircraft apart from DC-6 which i already own? I've read that Constellation isn't particularly well made - what's your opinion?
I do think that if Asobo hadn't marketed it as "expert series", it wouldn't have received anywhere near as much criticism as it has.
@@chakraUK Flight Sim community in a nutshell. I mean, who's actually expecting to get a 'study level' aircraft for £10?
@@craigstephens93 Playing devil's advocate - we did get two (the A310 and Beaver) for free in the 40th anniversary update...
@@chakraUK I didn't realise the community had accepted the A310 as an advanced aircraft. I accept your point though.
Hope they fix the bugs! We need a good regional turboprop.
Havent read all about this. Are there many smaller or som huge bugs as well?
@@rymdskrotet On Series X console the FMS does not work and half the switches lack any functionality. It LOOKS amazing in 4K with it's textures and it flies nicely and sounds are great. Just don't think you'll be following a Magenta line anywhere right now. It needs a lot of updating.
I hope so Jeremy. It looks like the intent is there to do so, with the first update having already been released. I would love a quality regional turboprop for the sim and I feel the ATR is halfway there at the moment. No doubt the Majestic Dash 8 will be superb (going off what I have heard regarding the P3D version) and I hope we may yet still see the MILVIZ ATR also.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Great video as always. I got the ATR on sale for 12 bucks and haven't even flown it yet. LoL
Thanks very much Reason!
Haha, well I do hope you enjoy / enjoyed the ATR, as and when the time comes. For $12, one can’t go too far wrong ; )
Happy flying and all the best! : )
I think you need to manually add weight and fuel through the toolbar menu ... otherwise it's set to 50% fuel and default weight
Hi Steve,
I did do that (ahead of the recording), it just would have been nice to be able to do it via the EFB also : )
Cheers and all the best!
I could't believe it was possible to speak faster than the way you did in the past reviews, but in this one you broke the world record. I follow all your videos, which I consider the best available, but it becomes harder and harder. to the point that even the subtitles cannot catch up. My English is quite decent, because I worked many years in an english environement, but following your video it's a real challenge. Your video are very exhaustive, but many times I have to stop, rewind and repeat, because I missed a step while you are already to the next one. Please show a little mercy to the non English motherlanguage
Hello again Ezio,
I certainly apologise / sympathise but unfortunately, as I mentioned previously, it’s really tricky to slow down one’s natural rhythm haha. Of course, I want everyone to be able to enjoy the content; perhaps I’ll put out a poll and see if the general consensus aligns with your viewpoint (and then move from there). As you can probably tell, I’m far from a natural orator, so making these sorts of changes is harder (for me) than it may sound. It’s not something I’ve been doing intentionally but once again, I thank you for your feedback and will endeavour to continue improving the content.
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I'll be following your videos anyway because they are the best and I accept the challenge.
I realized that at 82 everything slow down, then is not your fault, but my limit 😁👍
I think the "expert" moniker is acceptable as a different name than "Study sim". Like you said with "study sim" it's not some sort of a standardized name recognised by OSI. And as you said at the end with some bug fixes it might be just fine for this name "expert" which for me would mean "hard level" especially for xbox market that needed some easy and clear to understand category. Lots of casual players in the sim... me included and this tier named "expert" certainly doesn't bother me. Bugs aside... that hopefully will be fixed. And for the price... I think is fine. Expert shall be... :D
Hi Zaelu,
Of course, neither moniker has a dictionary definition and what is considered “study level”, will vary from one simmer to the next. Arguably, “expert level” is actually less open interpretation haha, but as you (and others) point out, what constitutes “expert”, is somewhat relative; I think many “legacy simmers” felt a little bit let down by the depth of the ATR, given the marketing, but for the “average” MSFS user, the ATR certainly represents a significant step up in complexity. That’s rather what I alluded to in my video; for the more casual simmers amongst us, or simmers at an “intermediate” level, the ATR is a great option, for those who prefer the Fenix A320, or the PMDG 737, the ATR probably isn’t quite going to “scratch that itch” ; )
Either way, I’m really glad you’re enjoying the aircraft and it’s great to see that an update has been put out already : )
Cheers!
Its a nice plane but I wished that the reverse thrust were more realistic. Yes you hear a little sound in the background but not the full burst like the Real ATR 72's.
I think the sounds could be better in general, Abstract. The initial change in sound is actually quite nice when activating reverse, but the noise dies off far too quickly thereafter. I’ve only flown on an ATR a couple of times and whilst I don’t recall the engine sounds all that well (I’ve never been much good with anything audio related), I do recall being amazed at just how quickly we came to a stop on the (very short) runway haha!
Cheers, all the best : )
I think that the ‘Expert Level’ naming applies to the Xbox platform only and not the PC platform. They really should sort this out as it’s misleading. You can’t compare it to some of the better PC addons (PMDG/Fenix).
That’s a fair point Ed and an angle that I hadn’t really considered. For the “average” MSFS user, the ATR is probably a very advanced offering and it’s probably largely the “legacy simmers”, who got put out of joint by the “expert” labelling. As you say though, the ATR simply isn’t comparable with the the Fenix, PMDG and Leonardo offerings, so I think “expert level” is still a touch generous. “Intermediate level” really sums up the ATR for me, but granted that doesn’t sound very catchy from a marketing perspective XD
Cheers and all the best! : )
So cool to see my home airport, great video.
I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, Tuhoeterra and indeed seeing Wellington (or Gisborne) airport! Thanks very much for watching and all the best : )
This was great! I'm not a pilot but still enjoyed the critiques you had for it. I still have a LONG way to go with learning all of these things. But again, great video! Also, what are you using for the ATC? I heard something totally different. As well as, where did you get the flight plans from? I see they're for sims only.
Thank you!
Thanks very much Soul, I'm really happy to hear that you enjoyed the video!
The ATC is real-world recordings (from LiveATC.net), which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I generate my flight plans using SimBrief. You need to need to create an account to use the service, but it's free otherwise and highly recommended!
I hope that helps. All the best!
Enjoyed this to fun to watch n well done...thx
Thanks very much Anjinsan, I’m really glad you enjoyed it! My pleasure and thanks for watching : )
I have an issue where it’s hard for me to “manually” control the throttle. Once I go full throttle, it’s hard to take over so I can reduce speed for decent. My big complaint so far. Not sure if there is a switch to use or am I suppose to use AP take off to landing?
Hello Richard,
It seems quite a few people have been having issues with throttles and condition levers (I think there are some bugs). The operation of the throttles should be pretty straightforward; one basically places the throttles in the “notch” detent from takeoff, all the way through to top of descent and then manually adjusts the throttles to maintain the speed thereafter (depending on the autopilot mode in use). Has the recent update fixed your problem?
Cheers, all the best! : )
Why the right aileron trim? Does it have a left roll/bank tendency in neutral trim?
Affirm, sir. Or at least, the addon used to - I don’t know what’s been done with the subsequent updates. The roll tendency wasn’t completely egregious but, certainly more significant than I would imagine is true to life of the real-world airframe.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
Being a real pilot, how to you set your in sim yoke config? The standard seems to be too fast on the inpust, specially the pitch control. Also found that the trim is exagerating the up/down nose.
Hello João,
I’m afraid I can’t offer up much help on that one. I haven’t really investigated / tested different sensitivity settings within MSFS. By default, the sim is indeed too sensitive on the controls, but I think there are some fundamental areas of the flight modelling that need fixing up, in order to address that. Another reason that I haven’t really played around with the sensitivity settings, is that given the number of reviews I do, I think it’s easier / fairer to keep the sim’s default settings and then I’m assessing each addon from a level playing field.
All of the above being said, I do use a -50 curve on my rudder haha, as rudder inputs are currently just waaaay too sensitive in MSFS.
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
Great video. How do you turn on the terrain feature in this aircraft? I haven't been able to figure it out.
I managed to figure it out.. ND OVLY tab on the MFD.. :)
I’m glad you managed to get things figured out, Edbern. Happy flying and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks and same to you as well.
Do you know if there is the ability to remove display reflections in this aircraft. Gives me a bit of a headache after a while.
I’m afraid there is no such option, so far as I am aware, HF. Sorry to hear that the reflections don’t agree with you. You could perhaps try getting in touch with the dev and seeing whether he might consider adding the option to remove the effect.
All the best! : )
Very nicely modelled aircraft but why are they sending them out not completely finished unlike in FSX
I think there’s a couple of reasons Andy; 1) Unlike with FSX, it’s now very easy these days, for devs to update products after the fact (with almost everyone having a decent internet connection. 2) Most “Asobo” aircraft are released to tie-in with a specific sim update and therefore have a specific deadline for release. I think this tends to lead towards products being rushed out. 3) I think it’s also just a case of “because they can”. Putting a product on sale before completion, seems to have become industry standard with most forms of software, unfortunately. People seem to be willing to buy a product, regardless of whether or not it has been finished. Devs are aware of this and obviously the practice means they can get the money rolling in sooner rather than later. Personally, I’m generally not a fan of this “early access” model, but I’m pretty sure it’s here to stay.
The ATR has received a couple of significant updates at this point though and given the price, I think the addon is in a fairly decent place now (though there is still work to be done).
Cheers, all the best! : )
it feels like it is not quite completed yet, i think they will keep working on it for a while yet
I think that’s a fair assessment Scott. The ATR is not “bad” by any means, but there is certainly still some bugs that need fixing up and work to be done generally. Being an “Asobo” aircraft, I do hope the ATR receives the required updates / fixes (most of these addons seems to get one update and then everything goes quiet).
Cheers, all the best! : )
Regarding the ability of a turboprop to slow down, I remember in C-130 school someone asking if it had speed brakes. The instructor told him there were four of them, two on each wing.
Haha! Well there you go , Jay - I figured that might be the case XD
Thanks for sharing! All the best : )
Why don’t people just use simbrief downloader until the fms is fixed. Expert is an appropriate moniker for this aircraft compared to the default aircraft
It’s a fair point Michael, in that what one considers to be “expert”, is all relative. I still think some sort of “intermediate” labelling would have been closer to the mark (default aircraft are the “base level”, at the end of the day), but that doesn’t sound very catchy of course haha.
I haven’t tried the Simbrief downloader myself, as programming the MCDU is one of the aspects that I enjoy, but it sounds like it could be a good option for many.
Cheers and all the best! : )
What settings do you use for the tobii in game movement inputs?
Hi Yeti,
I’m not actually a Tobii user myself, I use TrackIR : )
Cheers and all the best!
If i recall, the CRJ found it difficult to track the magenta line, in LNav? Has this been rectified?
Not yet, but now that the ATR is released Hans is back to wrenching on the CRJ.
Hi David,
No, the CRJ still has most of its original issues, unfortunately. From what Joe is saying, it sounds like that might change at some point in the future though (fingers crossed).
Cheers, all the best!
That’s good to know, Joe! Although I do hope Hans keeps plugging away at the ATR also ; )
How is the moving view in the cockpit achieved? I'd love to have the same effect on my PC. Any idea/help?
TrackIR.
Hi Andreas,
As Joe very kindly points out, I’m using a head-tracking device called "TrackIR" for the camera movements. It's great, although a little pricey. There are cheaper / freeware alternatives available though, should you wish to give it a go for yourself : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
Curious, if you have never flown a Turboprop, what type were you on prior to the Airbus?
Hi Jeremy,
I pretty much joined my first airline, right after competing my licence. I know that might sound a bit strange in many countries (like the US), but it’s somewhat the “norm” in Europe (where there isn’t really much GA and regional carriers are not hugely extensive either). I did a bunch of different flying and got my PPL when I was fairly young and then eventually went on to do my licence and found myself on the Airbus after flight school : )
I hope that satisfies your curiosity ; )
Cheers, all the best!
I wonder if they will bring a Saab 340 aircraft into Microsoft flight simulator
I certainly hope that they do, Jarrod! I really enjoyed the Carenado Saab 340 in XP11 : )
Anyone else get an issue with the atr 42/72 on MSFS where on the exterior view the stairs are invisible and the cargo door has no interior?
how is it "expert series" or "study level" if it doesn't have a manual?
A very good question, JD and a point I would certainly have to agree with!
I don't like the trend that we have seen within MSFS, of products being released without documentation. With an addon of this complexity, a manual should have been considered essential.
All the best!
I didn't understand how we can control the speed during descent especially through power manually or on other way
Hi Takis,
I’m afraid, I can’t really go over everything in a single RUclips comment but, there’s no auto throttle in the ATR so, thrust / speed are always controlled manually. For VNAV and VS, the aircraft will fly the programmed / selected profile and it’s up to you to adjust the throttles, in order to maintain your desired speed. For IAS hold, the aircraft will instead hold the selected speed and you can then adjust the power levers, in order to adjust your rate of descent.
I hope that helps a little? All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations it helped a lot and thank you so much! I was confused exactly with that if it has auto throttle now I understood because I was always overspeeding the aircraft so thank you once again!!
Ah great, I’m glad it helped! You’re most welcome. Cheers : )
Could you do another New Zealand Flight Like NZAA-NZWB
Hello AB,
I’ve no doubt that I will at some point (in fact, I already have another NZ flight pre-recorded). I try to spread my flights around a little geographically, so that there’s something for everyone, but NZ is one of my personal favourite stomping grounds, so you can expect to see a return on the channel for sure ; )
Thanks very much for the suggestion and all the best! : )
Can you make a Video about the v22 ?
Hi Mr Bu,
I may look at the Osprey at some point, but it’s not high on my list at the moment I’m afraid. The Osprey does look excellent though and I’m sure it’s great fun. As and when I’m a bit less busy, I will perhaps take a look.
Thanks for the suggestion! All the best : )
No one must hear this but I couldn't get mine started even after dutifully following the checklist provided by Jonathan Beckett on his channel. Can't imagine what I'm doing wrong. Will have to follow yours a tad more dutifully then, ITB and hope for the best.
There is a series of Asobo's tutorial on this plane, all combined under an hour. With them you will be able to start it nicely in mere 5 minutes.
@@maczetamaczeta189 Thanks, mate. Will see what I can do.
Silly question now: where please can I get the Asobo tutorials? Here on RUclips?
@@kokoeteantigha389 Yes, on Microsoft Flight Sim youtube channel under ATR Discovery Series.
Haha, well I hope you had a bit more luck getting the ATR started then, Kokoete ; )
Just in case you weren’t able to find it, I actually left a link to the Asobo ATR tutorial series, down in the video description.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
What are you using for ATC comms ??
Hello Atonium,
The ATC is real-world recordings (from LiveATC.net), which I’ve then edited into the video. There is actually an ATC chatter app available for MSFS though, if that’s the sort of thing you’re after : )
I hope that helps. All the best!