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because you admire an idiot who really doesn't know what he's talking about. People like that will always be exposed by truly knowledgeable people. He basically has gotten enough info to connect it in all the wrong ways. Also, his mind isn't at all interesting. He's basically tweaking the same bs that other charlatans have been spouting for decades.
@@backabeyond What are you on about🤔 Flint's own academic institute had said his data and facts are wrong, Flint admitted right on Lex that he Loosely googled the information outside his field of study and in his field of study he is D- academic at best soooo yea there is that tooo. Sure you don't want to rethink your statement and peddle more bullsh1tz like the rest of the cultist changing their flavor of Kool-Aid to to fit the color of the cup.
He said he was promoting white supremacist talking points and he was right. And interesting that your takeaway was not the mountains of evidence Flint presented to showed, but a perceived mean word.
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Except when knowledgeable people have to debate people like Graham to prevent them from spreading garbage as if it was science. That's just called damage control.
Flint spewed utter lies on the debate, Graham wasn't prepared for the avalanche of untruths to be hurled at him and got overwhelmed, I'd imagine his age is catching up on him and it's difficult to keep your cool with an arrogant smug little man who slanders him as a far right racist. There's really not much evidence to refute his claims, that's the more interesting aspect.
Wrong. Flint claimed the evidence for the Sphinx age was from a block of wood in the pyramids. That’s clearly not smart, and his further evidence of erosion was clearly debunked by eye balls.
@XblGtxMickeyy According to Flint's own sources. His misrepresentation of data was egregious. One point mentioned here was the 3 million "mapped" shipwrecks, when in reality, that was really just a statistical estimate with no mapping or evidence. Another example was the ice sheet drilling to measure element presence in the atmosphere. He misrepresented data from a few thousand years ago and used it as an assertion that there wasn't an industrial civilization during or before the ice age. Yet another example was seed feralization, where he claimed it takes many thousands of years for that to occur, and it would have obvious signs. This is another outright lie. Feralization can occur in a single generation, and rice is one example of a grain that's been domesticated and feralied so much that we don't even know its origin. The number of times Dibble cries "racist" alone should tell you this is a person willing to say anything to try to win. He's a liar.
What would be left of a wooden ship from before the younger dryas?? Absolutely nothing!! The wood would decompose and the metals would corrode to nothing. Also detritus from organisms would have long since covered even the largest ships from that era. You are looking for something that has long since been buried and destroyed. Also the coastline the ancients enjoyed is now several miles out to see. The current coastal areas were dry land during the last ice age. why would there be divable ship wrecks from before the younger dryas, so close to shore?? The settlements and wrecks would be located far from our current shores.
Again simply false, wood preserves remarkably well in a low oxygen environment under water. Then there are petrified and/or fossilized samples that would easily endure millions of years if not disturbed. We have recently found man-made wooden structures from almost half a million years ago in Zamibia!
@@MustYouHaveAUsername even if this wood has survived for 12,000 years without being consumed by organisms like wood boring sea worms. it's still buried under 15ft+ of detritus and pretty deep under water. starting at about 400' of water you hit the ancient coastline. The people funding 'the looking' are looking at our current coastlines not the ancient ones. If these wrecks exist they're buried under detritus on that ancient coastline. I don't know of anyone looking there for these anomalies.
@@MustYouHaveAUsername Humans have been sailing for 50,000 years. Oldest ship ever found is 5000 years old. What happened to 45000 years of evidence? It tells us that we barely scratched the surface and we've only uncovered a minute fraction of the available evidence.
@@xp6835 Can you give some examples of those boats that were used 50k years ago? Because most sailing for most of human history, even 2000 years ago, has been in coastal regions and not globe spanning. That is a very important distinction, as Hancock is claiming a globe spanning advanced civilization and not some coastal fishing boats.
Been a huge fan of GH for years, but he comes across very pissy if someone says things he doesnt agree with, got kinda gate keeper vibes being projected.
Oh look a writer plugging the second season of their show. And plugging books. And plugging how he is always the victim.... Why he most certainly isn't a grifter..................
A "grifter" wouldn't go to that actual places (dive and record evidence) and devote a life to discovery and thinking outside the box... You think that because thats what you would do... Even if he's wrong, providing a different way to think about history is valuable to us as humans... Stick to awful space vids with shite techno...
@@grahambecker "Even if he's wrong..." Please stop giving opinions. You are telling me and others that we shouldn't care if he is wrong despite him running around telling everyone that mainstream science is all completely wrong, he is victim and thus absolutely right. He is a danger, not a blessing
@@grahambecker What is this... Do you always edit your original post after someone replies and hope the OP doesn't notice your little trick? What a dirty move. If you're going to respond, do so properly
Yeah, even the idea that dibble mistated the 3 million doesn't negate his larger point that there isn't a huge argument for an advanced sea faring civilization. Hancock is basically nit and cherry picking to negate the rest of the debate.
@@XblGtxMickeyy he may not have a lot of physical evidence but the out right lies flint used to discredit his theories have been proven lies, search Graham's recent video where in detail he proves many of flints "facts" where merely lies which for an academic in his field isn't a good look.
Only a tiny fraction of the earth's surface has been explored, maybe less than 5%. Establishing a timeline from this tiny bit of evidence is unscientific and nonsensical. Statistically speaking, the archaeologists timeline has 0% chance of being right, and a high probability that it is way off. What's worse is that they cancel any hypothesis that deviates from their already-erroneous timeline. By sheer logic alone, Graham is right - Stuff will only get older, the question to ask ourselves is, how much further back will the timeline be pushed back?
But establishing a theory out of your *** because it is the way you like it without any evidence is the way? Grahams argument is this: there is still no evidence that the Atlantic doesn’t exist so it exists. How stupid are you?
@@fiend8677 Rainforests, deserts, tundras, not just the ocean. Even underneath our cities - people are discovering ancient ruins under their homes. An entire city was found in Egypt in 2020, despite it being the most archaeologically studied place on earth. 90% of Gobekli Tepe still unexcavated. Huge cities detected by Lidar in the Amazon, all unexplored.
Graham is using the red herring fallacy here, diverting attention away from what really matters; the complete lack of evidence for this supercivilization. Doesnt really matter that flint got the numbers wrong on shipwrecks, he got the number right on shipwrecks from the ice age; ZERO. Or Graham's attack on Flint using a chart (of Pb levels) that doesnt go back 13,000 years. The chart was from a publication looking at the impact of the industrial age on Pb levels. There are no publications on Pb levels from the ice age because no one has found anything interesting or anything to support metallurgy by this supercivilization.
This was exactly how archaeologists attacked pre-clovis theories. Anything that deviates from their dogmatic timeline is ridiculed and cancelled. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, a simple logical fallacy that archaeologists and the undiscerning like yourself cannot seem to grasp. Until all the evidence is dug up, out macro-model of the past is just speculation. The archaeologist's timeline is pure nonsense, because its based on a tiny slither of evidence. It has been wrong every single year and it will continue to be so.
You should google how soon they expect the Titanic to be nothing more than a rust impression on the sea floor...!!! Before it completely vanishes.......
@@mariz2361 ok, there is no evidence of metallurgy in the ice age. So we can guess that this supercivilization never used metal in their ships. How long would wood last?
Graham doesn't claim it was a SUPER civilisation. The reason no lead levels have been found before 12,000 years ago is because no one has looked for them (see Graham's response to his debate with Dibble on his RUclips channel)
This was exactly how archaeologists attacked pre-clovis theories. Anything that deviates from their dogmatic timeline is ridiculed and cancelled. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, a simple logical fallacy that archaeologists and the undiscerning like yourself cannot seem to grasp. Until all the evidence is dug up, out macro-model of the past is just speculation. The archaeologist timeline is pure nonsense, because its based on a tiny slither of evidence. Every version of it has been wrong and it will continue to be so.
Are there bots here or just biased human beings? This is a balanced, honest response by Graham Hancock. Especially difficult to respond to ad hominem attacks in the moment, which are in fact not valid debate tactics, not about ideas, and indeed a form of fallacy, not proper reason. See Philosophy 101 and basic argumentation.
Uh, maybe we watched different clips? I saw GH holding Dibble to a standard he would never hold himself to, responding 4-5 months after the fact when he thought he had a gotcha. SO because Dibble wasn't totally correct on the number of ship wrecks, now GH's position is plausible? Nah. It's the same argument he used for terrestrial stuff. 'Until everything is excavated there's an ancient advanced civilization and to say otherwise is censorship, they're attacking me because I'm right!'. I listened to GH's stuff in between the Dibble podcast and this interview. Until the last 10 days, he absolutely was still saying, even after thinking that there were 3,000,000 documented shipwrecks, that until they discovered whatever number he thought was acceptable then they haven't disproven him. He's a disingenuous hack. He wants you to believe in this clip that when he see's evidence that he thinks contradicts his position he's objective and adapts. He never adapted here, he just got a lot louder when he actually looked at the research for a change and discovered Dibble was off. Think about that. There was another guy on the podcast a few weeks ago, much better than Hancock, but he said about GH, 'He is one of the best Researchers I've ever come across'. That 'Researcher' took 4 months to fact check a footnote. You guys can pretend we're all paid trolls and haters. Nah, I just read books, including all of Grahams. Have either of you even read one?
I think it’s fair to say that 99% of the people commenting here don’t know anything about what these two are talking about and have picked a side they want to believe, when in reality it’s probably the case that neither of them are wholly right about what they disagree on
I personally think the history channel should sue Graham for plagiarism. Everything in his second ancient apocalypse show was ripped straight from the Ancient Aliens program
What about "The Sahul Shelf" - couldn't that have dropped/lowered in 50,000 years? Wikipedia claims that when, "sea levels fell during the Pleistocene ice age, including the Last Glacial Maximum about 18,000 years ago, the Sahul Shelf was exposed as dry land. Evidence of the shoreline of this time has been identified in locations which now lie 100 to 140 metres below sea level." Sorry, not a deep dive, but Palauan mariners have demonstrated 1,000km+ voyages out of sight of land. Perhaps I should watch the episode.
Graham brings up interesting points about gaps in our historic/archeological knowledge. He is a valuable contribution to the community in my opinion and should not be ignored. However, there is an ENORMOUS lack of evidence for how incredible his claims are. I mean come on, a super-advanced civilization spanning thousands of years, and NOT ONE artefact was found??
They'll never let the Dibbler back on, he'll deconstruct every crackpot theory Graham can come up with, and I say this as one that has gotten a lot of entertainment out of Grahams theories over the years.
I read his book, I watched him speak, and I even had a picture with the guy. All that is to say I tried. There still isn't any evidence for the leaps he takes. The victim stuff is old. If something pops up I'll take a look. Until then, give it a rest.
I think Flint Dibble came off arrogant, condescending and incredibly disrespectful. Dressed up like he thinks he’s Indiana Jones. He’s a little punk for sure. For what it’s worth, I don’t believe he was superior in anyway. Graham more than held his own, and I thought he did a great job.
Where archaeologists usually say “we don’t know” or “nobody knows” we have Grahm who does his best to provide the best educated guess based on the evidence that is understood.
@@Bhatton1118 Yeah, but most articles are sourced very well. I contributed myself to a lot of articles on Dutch military history for example and in my experience is quite positive. It is difficult to spread obvious nonsense because other editors will look at your edits and there a lot of guidelines and rules in place to keep it from becoming a shit show. The best value of it is the source gathering that wiki editors do. It means that you don't have to trust the wiki article itself, but can go directly to its sources. However if you really want to use wikipedia well you should learn to use the talkpages and edit histories. You can see there what kind of discussions on the article have taken place and what the possible biases are of the editors.
The problem for people like Graham is nothing they claim survives scrutiny. Archaeologists can point to all kinds of research, evidence and science to back up their findings and what they teach. That's all Flint did when he shredded Graham's arguments on Joe Rogan's show. No evidence for advanced ancient civilizations exists. Graham does everything he can to avoid admitting this, and that's why I think he's a grifter.
Ok... Egyptians and Vikings had boat burials... Where did that come from...???!!! What's the chance of 20,000 year old boat burials still being in the ground...???
The chances are about as slim as finding a perfectly complete T-Rex fossil. His whole thing is based on, imo, logical assumptions. That being said he's also chasing pixcy dust, as what he hopes to prove would've been ground into nothing long long ago.
I find Grahams ideas very interesting but find some of the people he chooses for his specials absolutely suck. He needs to drop the Atlantis shit and pivot away from Carlson and Bright Insight. Those guys suck and make him an easy punching bag.
This guys a genius he speaks about 12k years ago was age of Leo Jews and Muslims talk about a lion they are people from ancient civilizations there's something there
Whether you agree with his proposals or not he is just doing what journalists are supposed to do which is challenge established ideas to find cracks so we can get closer to the truth. Dibble tried to silence Graham which showed what a pathetic little weasel he is and those defending it must see a lot of themselves in Dibble and are defensive about it.
those who believes dibble are the same haters that hate graham. For us who already know graham through his works we already know he's not such a person or a liar etc. I think there's a second season of his show on Netflix and i can't wait to watch it!
This guy is full of nonsense, disrecpecting people hardwork by just having the bigger mouth to cater to people's imagination. nothing to do with evidence and facts
I think a more likely reason for exploring new lands especially those that involve sea voyage were destination is not visible is necessity due to conflicts. If the nebouring island tribe will defeat you and the alternative is to sit and watch your children been eaten before you go into the pot then the only option is to sail into the void where they will not chase you.
There may be something to the old days when a man could demand a duel at sunrise for such insults if the other man didn’t retract and deny them. It would keep little worms like Dibble from lobbing insinuations.
He did not call him racist. He said that he uses the same arguments as white supremacy groups which undervalue the achievements of non-white indigenous populations by proposing some white lost civilisation. This is why he was dismissed as having any credibility here in the UK.
8:'09 it the mainsteam narative that is racist... it seeks to put atlantis in greece..when the only candidate that actually fits the descripton is the eye of the sahara..which is in africa just like Egypt
@@brutalisaxeworth3024 it the mainsteam narative that is racist... it seeks to put atlantis in greece..when the only candidate that actually fits the descripton is the eye of the sahara..which is in africa just like Egypt
Whether his hypothesis is correct or not, Graham has the right to research and communicate his views. And I really disapprove of archeologists calling Graham a "pseudo-archeologist." Name-calling is hardly representative of the scientific method. Moreover, compared to the pure and applied sciences such as physics and chemistry, archeology itself has more in common with art history. In fact archeology was once considered a pseudo-science itself. For example, "Solomon's Gates."
I’m sorry but the more I listen to Hancock the more unlikable he becomes. I think Dibble really put him in his place and you can tell he’s super butt hurt about it. Like lmao at him saying “it’s not 3 million, that’s an estimate (that was shown on the slide) and the number might actually be 250k”, I mean cmon that doesn’t disprove Dibbles point at all, that’s just finding a minor error (which wasn’t even really an error) to discredit him hoping that if ya throw that out you can throw everything out
this dude is still so butthurt over the debate, i mean grahams ideas are fun but they are just as that fun, nothing he has ever presented has any actual evidence to point to his conclusion
i mean the main theme of graham is that there has to be a lost civilisation because the people that were there could have never build these things cause they were just not intelligent enough.
Graham has to waste his valuable time defending his character from such people as Flint Dibble. A man who tries to pass himself off as an intellectual, one of the so-called "experts" and claims to be a man of science; but clearly a small man, of bad character, and small mind... and he knows it. So sad, I pity men like Dibble, they truly are pathetic human beings, and waste the time and energy of great charactered people such as Graham Hancock. Instead of have to make this video defending his character from small minded men such as Dibble, Graham could have placed his energy on more of the brilliant work he produces for the world... but that's how these , charlatans operate; force you waste your time defending yourself from such character associations, and rebuttals of truth to their lies... and to think people like Flint Dibble, and company are well paid to educate our children, to educate them? Or more likely to stuff their minds with BS!
So over this dude he's not a racist but he's just kind of annoying while at the same time being completely wrong about everything. He's just bitter dibble proved him wrong
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I love Graham, I enjoy his work and the way his mind works. That debate did him absolutely no favors and he didn’t come away from that at all well
The lies flint told on that debate completely discredit him as an academic, just gate keeper for establishment ideology!
because you admire an idiot who really doesn't know what he's talking about. People like that will always be exposed by truly knowledgeable people. He basically has gotten enough info to connect it in all the wrong ways. Also, his mind isn't at all interesting. He's basically tweaking the same bs that other charlatans have been spouting for decades.
@@backabeyondwell that’s your opinion.
@@backabeyond
What are you on about🤔
Flint's own academic institute had said his data and facts are wrong, Flint admitted right on Lex that he Loosely googled the information outside his field of study and in his field of study he is D- academic at best soooo yea there is that tooo.
Sure you don't want to rethink your statement and peddle more bullsh1tz like the rest of the cultist changing their flavor of Kool-Aid to to fit the color of the cup.
@@backabeyondhow is he an idiot? What did I miss?
The oldest boat the Dufuna canoe and was 8500 years found in the Congo. Humanity has risen and fallen several times in the past.
That's pretty cool!!!
Several? Try dozens! Look up zep tepi
@@awokenv7302 Indeed. I most definitely need to research Zep Tepi. Can you suggest any ancient texts or steles?
Facts
He called him a white supremacist and then tried to snake his way out of it. That was the problem.
No he didn't
@@maxis2778 Yes he did. Stop making excuses
@@maxis2778 he did watch the podcast
no
He said he was promoting white supremacist talking points and he was right. And interesting that your takeaway was not the mountains of evidence Flint presented to showed, but a perceived mean word.
Unfounded accusations of racism are the worst form of racism these days
You clearly don’t know what “racism” means.
@@harwn999 you clearly can't listen.
@@joemoody7440 nah you clearly don’t know sht
@@harwn999 clearly a lot more than you! 🤡
@@harwn999 clearly know more than your uneducated as£
Dibble needs to fire his tailor
He’s a researcher. These kind of men care not for fashion
I think he needs to stop dressing himself and hire a tailor.
@@frankfly1368 The hat was quite silly.
Knocked on the Indianna Jones costume departments door. In 2024
@@frankfly1368oh so he just dresses up like a movie character by accident everyday yeah ok lol
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Except when knowledgeable people have to debate people like Graham to prevent them from spreading garbage as if it was science. That's just called damage control.
@@backabeyondwhat kind of man white knights for flint dibble hahaha
He's right, Flint seems like a real master (de)bater
It was nice of Flint’s father to loan him his suit for the debate.
Flint cooked Graham. I’ve enjoyed watching graham for years on Rogan but he really doesn’t have much evidence for his claims
Flint spewed utter lies on the debate, Graham wasn't prepared for the avalanche of untruths to be hurled at him and got overwhelmed, I'd imagine his age is catching up on him and it's difficult to keep your cool with an arrogant smug little man who slanders him as a far right racist. There's really not much evidence to refute his claims, that's the more interesting aspect.
Lies according to who? Graham? Lol get of your knees. Dude is making half the shit up
Wrong. Flint claimed the evidence for the Sphinx age was from a block of wood in the pyramids. That’s clearly not smart, and his further evidence of erosion was clearly debunked by eye balls.
@XblGtxMickeyy According to Flint's own sources. His misrepresentation of data was egregious. One point mentioned here was the 3 million "mapped" shipwrecks, when in reality, that was really just a statistical estimate with no mapping or evidence. Another example was the ice sheet drilling to measure element presence in the atmosphere. He misrepresented data from a few thousand years ago and used it as an assertion that there wasn't an industrial civilization during or before the ice age.
Yet another example was seed feralization, where he claimed it takes many thousands of years for that to occur, and it would have obvious signs. This is another outright lie. Feralization can occur in a single generation, and rice is one example of a grain that's been domesticated and feralied so much that we don't even know its origin.
The number of times Dibble cries "racist" alone should tell you this is a person willing to say anything to try to win. He's a liar.
List the lies please.
I love Graham Hancock, he was talking Younger Dryas for years and now mainstream academia is now saying yes it occurred
What would be left of a wooden ship from before the younger dryas??
Absolutely nothing!! The wood would decompose and the metals would corrode to nothing.
Also detritus from organisms would have long since covered even the largest ships from that era.
You are looking for something that has long since been buried and destroyed.
Also the coastline the ancients enjoyed is now several miles out to see. The current coastal areas were dry land during the last ice age. why would there be divable ship wrecks from before the younger dryas, so close to shore?? The settlements and wrecks would be located far from our current shores.
Again simply false, wood preserves remarkably well in a low oxygen environment under water. Then there are petrified and/or fossilized samples that would easily endure millions of years if not disturbed. We have recently found man-made wooden structures from almost half a million years ago in Zamibia!
@@MustYouHaveAUsername even if this wood has survived for 12,000 years without being consumed by organisms like wood boring sea worms. it's still buried under 15ft+ of detritus and pretty deep under water. starting at about 400' of water you hit the ancient coastline. The people funding 'the looking' are looking at our current coastlines not the ancient ones. If these wrecks exist they're buried under detritus on that ancient coastline. I don't know of anyone looking there for these anomalies.
@@MustYouHaveAUsername Humans have been sailing for 50,000 years. Oldest ship ever found is 5000 years old. What happened to 45000 years of evidence? It tells us that we barely scratched the surface and we've only uncovered a minute fraction of the available evidence.
@@xp6835 Can you give some examples of those boats that were used 50k years ago?
Because most sailing for most of human history, even 2000 years ago, has been in coastal regions and not globe spanning.
That is a very important distinction, as Hancock is claiming a globe spanning advanced civilization and not some coastal fishing boats.
@@xp6835 According to what you just said, there's 50,000 year old evidence of sailing vessels. Care to cite that?
Been a huge fan of GH for years, but he comes across very pissy if someone says things he doesnt agree with, got kinda gate keeper vibes being projected.
Well. Dibble did call GH a racist, so. There is that
I can’t believe I fell for his bs we so stupid
@@OneLeggedDiver nah he’s like the church to me now I might make my whole channel about him now 😂
Let me guess you're definitely were one of them republican crowds who follow joe rogan and "atleast joe rogan isn't woke ☝️🤓"
@@erenjaeger1738 keep guessing. I have faith in you!
@@TheeMaddScienctist "THIS IS WOKE☝️🤓"
@@erenjaeger1738 if you say so, guess I just have to take your word for it. I still have faith in you, even if you don’t!
Oh look a writer plugging the second season of their show. And plugging books. And plugging how he is always the victim....
Why he most certainly isn't a grifter..................
A "grifter" wouldn't go to that actual places (dive and record evidence) and devote a life to discovery and thinking outside the box...
You think that because thats what you would do...
Even if he's wrong, providing a different way to think about history is valuable to us as humans...
Stick to awful space vids with shite techno...
@@grahambecker "Even if he's wrong..." Please stop giving opinions. You are telling me and others that we shouldn't care if he is wrong despite him running around telling everyone that mainstream science is all completely wrong, he is victim and thus absolutely right. He is a danger, not a blessing
@@grahambecker What is this... Do you always edit your original post after someone replies and hope the OP doesn't notice your little trick? What a dirty move. If you're going to respond, do so properly
@@grahambeckerwhat evidence did he record. Quickly.
Flint might have come as arrogant but Graham really doesn’t have strong arguments.
That's just nonsense, Graham proved a lot of flints arguments where completely false out right lies!
@@joemoody7440no he did not. I came in a Graham supporter and left thinking he was full of shit. Lack of evidence is not evidence
Yeah, even the idea that dibble mistated the 3 million doesn't negate his larger point that there isn't a huge argument for an advanced sea faring civilization. Hancock is basically nit and cherry picking to negate the rest of the debate.
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@@XblGtxMickeyy he may not have a lot of physical evidence but the out right lies flint used to discredit his theories have been proven lies, search Graham's recent video where in detail he proves many of flints "facts" where merely lies which for an academic in his field isn't a good look.
Only a tiny fraction of the earth's surface has been explored, maybe less than 5%. Establishing a timeline from this tiny bit of evidence is unscientific and nonsensical. Statistically speaking, the archaeologists timeline has 0% chance of being right, and a high probability that it is way off. What's worse is that they cancel any hypothesis that deviates from their already-erroneous timeline. By sheer logic alone, Graham is right - Stuff will only get older, the question to ask ourselves is, how much further back will the timeline be pushed back?
But establishing a theory out of your *** because it is the way you like it without any evidence is the way? Grahams argument is this: there is still no evidence that the Atlantic doesn’t exist so it exists. How stupid are you?
Your thinking 5% of the ocean
Yet, nothing suggests a lost civilisation ever existed. I like the idea of it, but there is ZERO evidence of it..
@@fiend8677 Rainforests, deserts, tundras, not just the ocean. Even underneath our cities - people are discovering ancient ruins under their homes. An entire city was found in Egypt in 2020, despite it being the most archaeologically studied place on earth. 90% of Gobekli Tepe still unexcavated. Huge cities detected by Lidar in the Amazon, all unexplored.
Is this how you cope with your lack of knowledge?
Graham is using the red herring fallacy here, diverting attention away from what really matters; the complete lack of evidence for this supercivilization.
Doesnt really matter that flint got the numbers wrong on shipwrecks, he got the number right on shipwrecks from the ice age; ZERO.
Or Graham's attack on Flint using a chart (of Pb levels) that doesnt go back 13,000 years. The chart was from a publication looking at the impact of the industrial age on Pb levels. There are no publications on Pb levels from the ice age because no one has found anything interesting or anything to support metallurgy by this supercivilization.
This was exactly how archaeologists attacked pre-clovis theories. Anything that deviates from their dogmatic timeline is ridiculed and cancelled.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, a simple logical fallacy that archaeologists and the undiscerning like yourself cannot seem to grasp.
Until all the evidence is dug up, out macro-model of the past is just speculation. The archaeologist's timeline is pure nonsense, because its based on a tiny slither of evidence. It has been wrong every single year and it will continue to be so.
You should google how soon they expect the Titanic to be nothing more than a rust impression on the sea floor...!!!
Before it completely vanishes.......
@@mariz2361 ok, there is no evidence of metallurgy in the ice age. So we can guess that this supercivilization never used metal in their ships. How long would wood last?
Graham doesn't claim it was a SUPER civilisation.
The reason no lead levels have been found before 12,000 years ago is because no one has looked for them (see Graham's response to his debate with Dibble on his RUclips channel)
This was exactly how archaeologists attacked pre-clovis theories. Anything that deviates from their dogmatic timeline is ridiculed and cancelled. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, a simple logical fallacy that archaeologists and the undiscerning like yourself cannot seem to grasp. Until all the evidence is dug up, out macro-model of the past is just speculation. The archaeologist timeline is pure nonsense, because its based on a tiny slither of evidence. Every version of it has been wrong and it will continue to be so.
I want to see Flint Dibble on PowerSlap with his back scratcher hands
Up next on the Lex podcast: Snake oil, is it as bad as people say?
Flint wiped the floor with Graham, but his ideas are fun rather than factual.
Really though? He said the wood from the pyramids were evidence. He’s flawed from the start
Ancient humans knew where land was located because of their knowledge of star constellations. As above so below was the axiom.
Flint and Graham both look so unhappy in the pic 😂
Are there bots here or just biased human beings? This is a balanced, honest response by Graham Hancock. Especially difficult to respond to ad hominem attacks in the moment, which are in fact not valid debate tactics, not about ideas, and indeed a form of fallacy, not proper reason. See Philosophy 101 and basic argumentation.
Definitely bots & paid trolls in these comments
Uh, maybe we watched different clips? I saw GH holding Dibble to a standard he would never hold himself to, responding 4-5 months after the fact when he thought he had a gotcha. SO because Dibble wasn't totally correct on the number of ship wrecks, now GH's position is plausible? Nah. It's the same argument he used for terrestrial stuff. 'Until everything is excavated there's an ancient advanced civilization and to say otherwise is censorship, they're attacking me because I'm right!'. I listened to GH's stuff in between the Dibble podcast and this interview. Until the last 10 days, he absolutely was still saying, even after thinking that there were 3,000,000 documented shipwrecks, that until they discovered whatever number he thought was acceptable then they haven't disproven him.
He's a disingenuous hack. He wants you to believe in this clip that when he see's evidence that he thinks contradicts his position he's objective and adapts. He never adapted here, he just got a lot louder when he actually looked at the research for a change and discovered Dibble was off. Think about that. There was another guy on the podcast a few weeks ago, much better than Hancock, but he said about GH, 'He is one of the best Researchers I've ever come across'. That 'Researcher' took 4 months to fact check a footnote.
You guys can pretend we're all paid trolls and haters. Nah, I just read books, including all of Grahams. Have either of you even read one?
What? ad hominem attacks and subject changes to avoid being wrong are all that came out of his mouth during the debate. Are you a bot lmao
I think it’s fair to say that 99% of the people commenting here don’t know anything about what these two are talking about and have picked a side they want to believe, when in reality it’s probably the case that neither of them are wholly right about what they disagree on
I personally think the history channel should sue Graham for plagiarism. Everything in his second ancient apocalypse show was ripped straight from the Ancient Aliens program
What about "The Sahul Shelf" - couldn't that have dropped/lowered in 50,000 years? Wikipedia claims that when, "sea levels fell during the Pleistocene ice age, including the Last Glacial Maximum about 18,000 years ago, the Sahul Shelf was exposed as dry land. Evidence of the shoreline of this time has been identified in locations which now lie 100 to 140 metres below sea level." Sorry, not a deep dive, but Palauan mariners have demonstrated 1,000km+ voyages out of sight of land. Perhaps I should watch the episode.
Graham brings up interesting points about gaps in our historic/archeological knowledge. He is a valuable contribution to the community in my opinion and should not be ignored. However, there is an ENORMOUS lack of evidence for how incredible his claims are. I mean come on, a super-advanced civilization spanning thousands of years, and NOT ONE artefact was found??
You ever think that’s why he’s ignored? Because there is not an ounce of evidence? What is there to discuss? Waste of time until there is EVIDENCE
They'll never let the Dibbler back on, he'll deconstruct every crackpot theory Graham can come up with, and I say this as one that has gotten a lot of entertainment out of Grahams theories over the years.
Volcanic eruptions would be a way humans could have identified land farther away than could be seen by the naked eye.
This is why I think the piri reis map is so interesting
I read his book, I watched him speak, and I even had a picture with the guy. All that is to say I tried. There still isn't any evidence for the leaps he takes. The victim stuff is old. If something pops up I'll take a look. Until then, give it a rest.
I think Flint Dibble came off arrogant, condescending and incredibly disrespectful. Dressed up like he thinks he’s Indiana Jones. He’s a little punk for sure. For what it’s worth, I don’t believe he was superior in anyway. Graham more than held his own, and I thought he did a great job.
All of them are like that...hubris and arrogance is oozing from the mainstream
Remember when Graham admitted to having zero evidence for his claims? 🙃 whoops
The point is graham has NO evidence for his claims.
Oh nice a comment on demeanour and appearance, can’t wait for you to address his arguments with the same zeal…
The crossings over to Australia make no sense.
Graham has no answer when he says there is no evidence of domesticated seeds from before the ice age.
Where archaeologists usually say “we don’t know” or “nobody knows” we have Grahm who does his best to provide the best educated guess based on the evidence that is understood.
He’s just making shit up
At least they are honest enough to say they don't know.
Do people actually read and use Wikipedia? I've never used it
It's a very good source for most subjects if you are new to it
@@Raadpensionaris But I heard years ago that the public can control it. So it just made me never trust it.
@@Bhatton1118 Yeah, but most articles are sourced very well. I contributed myself to a lot of articles on Dutch military history for example and in my experience is quite positive. It is difficult to spread obvious nonsense because other editors will look at your edits and there a lot of guidelines and rules in place to keep it from becoming a shit show.
The best value of it is the source gathering that wiki editors do. It means that you don't have to trust the wiki article itself, but can go directly to its sources.
However if you really want to use wikipedia well you should learn to use the talkpages and edit histories. You can see there what kind of discussions on the article have taken place and what the possible biases are of the editors.
The problem for people like Graham is nothing they claim survives scrutiny. Archaeologists can point to all kinds of research, evidence and science to back up their findings and what they teach. That's all Flint did when he shredded Graham's arguments on Joe Rogan's show. No evidence for advanced ancient civilizations exists. Graham does everything he can to avoid admitting this, and that's why I think he's a grifter.
Flint was right, but made bad excitements to make Graham look bad which is unfair.
There are lots of dibble fantubes that need to update their ass kissing over dibble on the Joe show.
Dibble 3:16
Ok...
Egyptians and Vikings had boat burials... Where did that come from...???!!! What's the chance of 20,000 year old boat burials still being in the ground...???
The chances are about as slim as finding a perfectly complete T-Rex fossil. His whole thing is based on, imo, logical assumptions. That being said he's also chasing pixcy dust, as what he hopes to prove would've been ground into nothing long long ago.
That (buried) would be the best place to find the preserved remains of well, anything?…what point are you trying to make?
Please get your ego in check. You got owned and the most intellectual humility you can afford "i wasn't prepared, he was wrong".
I’m on Graham’s side all the way✌️
I find Grahams ideas very interesting but find some of the people he chooses for his specials absolutely suck. He needs to drop the Atlantis shit and pivot away from Carlson and Bright Insight. Those guys suck and make him an easy punching bag.
Could asked him WHY he wasted ready. I'm curious to know..
Quibble with Dibble.
This guys a genius he speaks about 12k years ago was age of Leo Jews and Muslims talk about a lion they are people from ancient civilizations there's something there
Whether you agree with his proposals or not he is just doing what journalists are supposed to do which is challenge established ideas to find cracks so we can get closer to the truth. Dibble tried to silence Graham which showed what a pathetic little weasel he is and those defending it must see a lot of themselves in Dibble and are defensive about it.
Why Lex, why?
those who believes dibble are the same haters that hate graham. For us who already know graham through his works we already know he's not such a person or a liar etc. I think there's a second season of his show on Netflix and i can't wait to watch it!
Dibble the my dad guy type
Are you saying that because you don't have a dad?
This guy is full of nonsense, disrecpecting people hardwork by just having the bigger mouth to cater to people's imagination. nothing to do with evidence and facts
Have you seen the bmi of those he criticizes? No hard work at all.
I think a more likely reason for exploring new lands especially those that involve sea voyage were destination is not visible is necessity due to conflicts. If the nebouring island tribe will defeat you and the alternative is to sit and watch your children been eaten before you go into the pot then the only option is to sail into the void where they will not chase you.
Graham always plays the victim. Droopy handed graham his ass.
no lips either
Just a fiction books seller
Graham may have some legit ideas but how would anyone ever know when he spouts so much BS and acts like a spoiled brat when opposed.
Graham is the CNN of archeology.
Graham is good and thank goodness for him.
What makes him so good? His nonsense ideas that he has been making money on his whole career?
There may be something to the old days when a man could demand a duel at sunrise for such insults if the other man didn’t retract and deny them. It would keep little worms like Dibble from lobbing insinuations.
It sucked
Flint a woke pay for can’t wait his post op years!😂
He did not call him racist. He said that he uses the same arguments as white supremacy groups which undervalue the achievements of non-white indigenous populations by proposing some white lost civilisation. This is why he was dismissed as having any credibility here in the UK.
Uk spokesman here👆👆👆
Lex continues to have people full of nonsense on his podcast, and he can’t stop talking about daddy Joe Rogan.
Ok boomer
yea it’s pretty wild to see him go from respected scientists and experts in their field to Graham Hancock
8:'09
it the mainsteam narative that is racist... it seeks to put atlantis in greece..when the only candidate that actually fits the descripton is the eye of the sahara..which is in africa just like Egypt
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@@brutalisaxeworth3024 it the mainsteam narative that is racist... it seeks to put atlantis in greece..when the only candidate that actually fits the descripton is the eye of the sahara..which is in africa just like Egypt
Whether his hypothesis is correct or not, Graham has the right to research and communicate his views. And I really disapprove of archeologists calling Graham a "pseudo-archeologist." Name-calling is hardly representative of the scientific method. Moreover, compared to the pure and applied sciences such as physics and chemistry, archeology itself has more in common with art history. In fact archeology was once considered a pseudo-science itself. For example, "Solomon's Gates."
I’m sorry but the more I listen to Hancock the more unlikable he becomes. I think Dibble really put him in his place and you can tell he’s super butt hurt about it. Like lmao at him saying “it’s not 3 million, that’s an estimate (that was shown on the slide) and the number might actually be 250k”, I mean cmon that doesn’t disprove Dibbles point at all, that’s just finding a minor error (which wasn’t even really an error) to discredit him hoping that if ya throw that out you can throw everything out
Mr. Hancock pays mr. Dibble respect in various ways diretcly towards the end of the clip. How come that you find him ublikable?
this dude is still so butthurt over the debate, i mean grahams ideas are fun but they are just as that fun, nothing he has ever presented has any actual evidence to point to his conclusion
i mean the main theme of graham is that there has to be a lost civilisation because the people that were there could have never build these things cause they were just not intelligent enough.
It's amazing to me how people fall for Graham's crap. I don't get it. Sad. Lex is horrible as well. Lex is mini Rogan. Even sadder.
Let’s see if this bait catches anyone 🤔
Hes known for his mind but i bet old G Hancock could really kick some ass. Keep giving him acreason you mainstream scientists.🇺🇸🧠🤺🚮🚷🕺🛐🪦
As an English man i would never wear a hat indoors.
Graham has to waste his valuable time defending his character from such people as Flint Dibble. A man who tries to pass himself off as an intellectual, one of the so-called "experts" and claims to be a man of science; but clearly a small man, of bad character, and small mind... and he knows it. So sad, I pity men like Dibble, they truly are pathetic human beings, and waste the time and energy of great charactered people such as Graham Hancock. Instead of have to make this video defending his character from small minded men such as Dibble, Graham could have placed his energy on more of the brilliant work he produces for the world... but that's how these , charlatans operate; force you waste your time defending yourself from such character associations, and rebuttals of truth to their lies... and to think people like Flint Dibble, and company are well paid to educate our children, to educate them? Or more likely to stuff their minds with BS!
So over this dude he's not a racist but he's just kind of annoying while at the same time being completely wrong about everything. He's just bitter dibble proved him wrong