It's pretty much a mod itself. It's based on a total conversion of Nival's game called Blitzkrieg, which is awesome. There is even a Mad Max type strategy that is pretty much a Blitzkrieg asset swap.
Tank Destroyers are probably called Tank Chasers because the German word for them is Panzerjäger or Jagdpanzer. Jäger means hunter but can also be translated as chaser. Tank hunter would make more sense, but hey.
I ended up deleting this bit from the video because I couldn't coherently articulate the thought, but basically: a Russian term for Tank Destroyer (one of several) is Exterminator. It also happens to be their term for the class of aircraft designed to chase down and intercept enemy bombers. I think in the mind of underpaid programmer who ended up translating the UI-related stuff, all these things became conflated.
Similar to Czech "stíhač tanků". "Stíhač" is also used for airplane interceptor so "stíhač tanků" could be translated as tank interceptor but verbatim translation also means tank chaser.
@@ducedevlstear2471 Depending on the context both is possible. When "jagen" is not used as hunt but to quickly follow behind someone ("jemanden hinterherjagen") it can be translated as chasing. But this are several strange corners to think around to get there. Maybe it os french where "chasser" means "jagen" and the Tank destroyer/Jagdpanzer is a "Chasseur de chars"
Rapa Nui (aka Easter Island), where the famous Moai statues are located, IS the easternmost of the major inhabited Pacific islands, and closer to South America than any other continent. But it's still like 3000 miles away (about as far away as Hawaii is from the mainland USA), so the image in the game, which appears to show the South American mainland being visible from Rapa Nui, is still hilariously wrong.
That "monstrosity" is the Convair Model 49, which was a coleopter concept for the Advanced Aerial Fire Support System in the sixties. It's still absolutely wacky science fiction, but it comes from the demented minds of American aerospace engineers, not the demented minds of Russian wargame designers.
Young me had a lot of fun with the Bulgarian translation of this game. I save scummed and loved the detailed vehicles. It fueled my tank and vehicle mania byt itself. But as a game, it is very flawed.
Actually there is a very obscure scene that does make these types of games with the Blitzkrieg engine. This is one of them. Others are Stalingrad, Talvisota: Icy Hell, and some WWI game i forget the name of (pretty sure it was called simply WWI). The Blitzkrieg game is really a niche taste type of game. It is frustrating and janky from a gameplay perspective, but the games themselves are quite well researched and the battles are spectacular most of the time which kinda balances out the jank. That's why it still has a serious (albeit really small) community up to this day.
I replay blitzkrieg I and II every year. I have probably played thousands of hours. Had it on disk when I was just a boy. Made levels for my friends to play. I wish they didnt drop the ball on Blitzkrieg III so hard.
@@peterdenov4898If it's an offensive operation, just don't bother, it's ridiculously squishy and ANY armored vehicle is able to claim a horrifying number of poor grunts. If it's defensive and you have trenches, infantry does an okay job.
Penetration system works like this: Each side of vehicle has min to max armor stats. Visible stat is average. Weapon penetration is exact value +/- random value. On successful hit, random value from within armor values is matched with random penetration from within penetration values. Also every vehicle has hidden stat which decides chance to fail enemy hit even if it should hit based on spread and distance (mean to represent how hard it is to hit I guess?).
Oh wow, this is literally just cold-war blitzkrieg. Anyway, too bad it seems they worsened resupplly mechanics; they had a winning formula with blitzkrieg 2. Having played it and its expannsion, Fall of the Reich, i can see how this sort of game-balance will feel really frustrating. Tank fights really do feel, transparently, RNG. You can manipulate them a bit by forcing defensive tactics even while on the offensive, attempting to provoke hostiles to attack you. Infantry in trenches are great for this to draw fire.
Ah yes, this game that when I played it, felt like a juiced up Sudden Strike. Beat it once, never touched it again. The "Chaser/Destroyer" thing is something that oddly enough makes sense to me, as I have seen it before. A naval Destroyer is not called a "Destroyer" in Swedish, but rather a "hunter". And "hunt" is the same word as "chase". Could be something to do with that.
@@Familyguyfunnymoments_ I guess he/she emphasize the Ruzzians that got killed by that second hand equipment. Ironic tbh since the Ruzzia use and bought second hand equipment too from China, Iran, and North Korea. I guess mobikfuhrer became so desperate for that Soviet Union x Tsarist deep dark fantasy
If you want MOW with a TW style strategic map, I recommend checking out Dynamic Campaign Generator. The newest version is only for the first Men of War but its well worth a look at.
Honestly, it wasn't that bad. It just felt half finished and the ending was like "wtf that's it?" I only completed the Chinese campaign because there wasn't any payoff in completing the other campaigns given the universal ending. The biggest two annoyances in gameplay were the inability to see enemy units at varying elevation and the incredibly easy defense missions. The radiation environmental hazard was also nice until I realized how tedious it was to clear a path and how often the AI would path through radiation patches and kill itself. I put up with the game because of my niche interest in the period and my liking of the blitzkrieg games of the same engine.
I think you're in the same boat as me and many other buyers of the game, in that we liked the concept so much that we were willing to put up with the flaws in the gameplay. It was a very unique idea and having so many period-specific units to play with, as well as feeling like you could go anywhere you wanted on a strategic map while building up and maintaining a persistent army, was worth putting up with the lackluster gameplay.
I remember this game, since I also played it. It was my Blitzkrieg-phase so there we go. Especially the chinese campaign was rather interessing. Mostly because they had an additional resource they could use - manpower. They were the only faction that could reinforce infantry squads. So I basically ordered all my squads to attack a fortified position, put supply trucks slightly behind them and set them to reinforce them and all I could see was infantry trying to rush and dying on mass until the enemy was slowly whittled down, or ran out of ammunition - most of the times it was the latte. Fun times. I also tried modding a bit since tanks like the Abrams were hidden in the files.
I only played the Soviet and European campaigns but they were pretty fun. At least until you get to that absolute bullshit 'stealth mission' in the Soviet campaign where you're trying to prevent the POWs from being executed by the Chinese. so far as I can tell that mission was just unwinnable.
This sort of reminds me of the Risk/Total war style game mode in Tiberium Wars Kane's Wrath (PC only) i don't remember playing that game mode very much. Maybe that could be a video topic?
I feel like the idea of a "vision" mechanic is actually a really good idea, if only for the fact that these are such huge concepts in real-life wars that go almost completely unrepresented in games for the sake of convenience. The issue with this game is that they neither implemented any sort of conveyance that this mechanic exists or how much you can manipulate it, but also there is absolutely no way to _improve_ your vision. As a result the vision mechanic is not something you have to account for, rather it just remains a handicap. I want someone to make a game that handles this idea better.
One of the most practical uses of "more gun range than visual range" is in C&C3, where one faction has some sort of atillery mech that can only fire it's huge gun when forward positioned infantry units mark targets.
The engima engine (used in Blitzkrieg, TDA/CMC/IC, Stalingrad, WW1, Desert Law) is very long in the tooth now. The sad thing is a lot of the issues you described can and have been fixed. Stalingrad for example fixed the issue with buildings and objects not blocking line of fire. It's a feature easily transplantable back to the original Blitzkrieg. Sadly TDA/CMC/IC is too different, adding radiation and fuel and 3d-mesh based missile based weapon (amongst other things) to port those changes to. The issues with line of sight being too short, the camouflage problems, AA issues (being too effective, or not enough) are all fixable with XML changes. I've done it myself, albeit on the original Blitzkrieg rather than CMC. I've considered porting my mod to CMC to take advantage of the additional features that version of the game engine offers but as your review shows, there are just too many downsides. TLDR, all the issues you mentioned could have so easily been fixed with proper playtesting, porting over features from Stalingrad and XML tweaks. They just couldn't be bothered.
Yeah for example i play the gzm mod with the xml file from stalingrad and works fine , my only problem its maintein the tank formation or preven then pull back with the but to the enemy
Good review, brings back memories.. got this game for my 8th birthday and finished it albeit with cheats, gonna redownload it and give it a go, if i manage to find it, I personally love it but because of nostalgia mostly Btw if i remember correctly you can use + and - to speed up or slow down the game, so you can avoid the bad traction of wheeled vehicles on snow or desert maps, doing so you will be able to finish the filler defensive missions in literally 30 seconds because the game can go up to +10 speed, just set your infantry in defensive structures and trenches to counter tanks, if it fails just replay it since it takes little time because of the speed up
I remember this game and I loved it...16 years ago. I recall playing filler and scenario missions, spending resource points, planning on the strategic map. I can imagine that this game feels bad now for a grown up person, but back then for a teenager it was perfect. You rightly pointed out to the features that pissed me off, like nonsense with aviation and refuelling. Strangely enough you didn't mention ATGMs in Ice Crusade DLC - it was quite an innovative mechanics in strategy games those days, but their implementation made it very hard to use tanks. Actually this game is based on famous Blitzkrieg series, that is WW2 strategy. That's why the game has so many WW2 stuff. Anyway, thank you for making me remember this wonderful game. I would like you to make Combat Mission games review. Sounds like you can tarnish them pretty well.
And every time you are attacked on the strategic map when you go to the tactical mode -- you always need to attack. So, on a strategic level, they are attacking you, and you are outnumbered 3 to 1 or even worse. You go into Real-Time mode and YOU need to attack the entrenched position, again, being outnumbered 3 to 1. And AI defense always has the AT and AA Artillery, slaughtering all of your vehicles and aircraft at the sight. At the same time, when you defend your facilities, you have only infantry and light-armored personnel vehicles. That's just not fair.
9:00 the Puma is a wheeled vehicle and is driving slower because of the type of terrain it is going over, not because of a hill. The fuel truck had the same issue earlier in the video trying to reach the tank. The game is 2.5D so hills are visually represented too.
Resupplying vehicle is slow on snow because of terrain. It's like mud and vehicle doesn't have tracks to move faster. Also the AI can be exploited like killing the tanks from above or behind smoke screen but strategy is worthless. Artillery is the queen of the field.
Everytime I see this game, I want to play it again, only to realize the tactical combat make me bored to tears Thank you for making me feel like that again
Believe it or not, this game has a semi-active modding community that makes it into something enjoyable. The most popular mod right now is "Chronicles of Third World War", which greatly expands on the story, available missions and unit roster. For instance, Act 1 of the Soviet campaign is dedicated to performing "police action" in Polish People's Republic that decided to break away from Warsaw Pact (with a little help from Anglo-American expeditionary force), and your starting units are late WW2 surplus (IS-2M, T-44, IL-10M etc). Oh, and the damage model was somewhat fixed, the battles are no longer a coin toss between win and fail.
this game reminds me of a really niche game called 'Cold War Conflicts' that came out in the 90's, it had the same style of gameplay, tanks running our of ammo, supply trucks, infantry can crew vehicles, kill vehicle crews, and many artillery guns, its rather scary how similar these two games are, with this one only looking slightly better graphically.
The game uses the same engine in which the game Stalingrad was made - It is a game inspired by the Sudden Strike and Blitzkrieg series by the looks of it - isomentric artwork meets 3D vehicle units, tanks with actual different armor over front, side and rear and lots of different unit types working together. But something is a little off - the detail about the camo-effect of static units appears in Stalingrad too. It's a really good attempt but somehow i cant decide wether just masss-blob strats of methodical working out enemy positions is the most effective and or enjoyble way to make the game work. Anyways...
i like the 90s documentary feel to it it reminded me of one those old history series that uses synth. The artstyle reminded me of Postal 1 and its more like Postal meets military magazines art. Its nice. They really missed an opportunity here.
Will you do a review of this game cousin Stalingrad? I played both Cuban Missile Crisis and Stalingrad but for some reasons I think Stalingrad is better although still suffer from some of the same flaws. I got both for free so might be something to do with that too.
About vision-classical sudden strike\blitzkrieg stuff .I don't played this game yet (but I have it in steam ) and don't know how it's work here ,but in sudden strike officer with binoculars and long range artillery battery solves all problems
i swear to god i played a game like this or something in Vietnam or the cold war bc i remember these same graphics but with a russian helicopter and a mini soldier that came out of a rundown barracks
You didn't mention it but when defending random facilities the ai also gets a lot of AT emplacements that the player doesn't get when defending meaning your garrison consists solely of infantry squads and is expected to fend off tank hordes with shoulder carried AT weaponry or the tanks getting too close. The Ai being what it is this actually works somehow but is a pain to do because it takes a while and you can't autoresolve. Also aircraft wise the only plane really worth using are fighter bombers because they do more damage, stay on for longer and can and will single handedly clear pretty much any mission where SAM sites aren't in play and those to my knowledge only show up in some story missions. Other aircraft like level bombers just plain can't compete.
I believe they translated tank destroyers as tank chasers because in russian it's истребитель танков, and истребитель being the same russian word for fighter (as in "fighter plane"). Looks like translator decided that "tank fighter" would sound retarded and sticks to older term for "fighter" part of the "fighter plane" that is "chaser" plane. Translator was professional in linguistics but unaccustomed to military terminology, it seems.
This reminds me, graphically, very strongly of Panzer General 2. It's really surprising that this was all made from the ground up and isn't a mod of that... but then I can't recall if Panzer General 2 had any kind of realtime option. I only played the original PG a ton as a kid, but remember being really impressed with the visual leap taken for the second game. I think my computer was too crappy to run it when it came out, something like that. I would love a total visual update to Panzer General that left the mechanics intact besides some further options etc... like making Norway less of an insane step up in difficulty. It's like it checks that you can beat Poland easily and know what you're doing, and then because of that you get sent to an insanely difficult mission to take Norway... I don't have a problem with the added complexity of the mission, but it shouldn't also require such slim margins to win. Maybe I should check out PG2 all this time later...
Man I loved this game when I was a teen, the one i liked most was Ice Crusade, it started my love of Object 279 :) I never really found it boring, i just thought it was really hard and to be honest I love a crazy concept delivered with a straight face, my biggest issue with Red Alert 3 was that they made it too much of a joke while Red Alert 2 was basically a perfect balance.
Well, the game has very good atmosphere of nuclear apocalypse. I played it quite a lot and sometimes I stop playing because I wanted just listen to music and watch my tanks before most of them will go to tank heaven or tank hell. But the random battles are nuisance. Most of them are almost the same. Even with few tanks enemy had few squads of infantry with rocket launchers and in most situations they will just act passive and wait in ambush. The air forces are essential to defend territories from the enemy incursions (again with few tanks and a bunch of infantry) but they can win a battle in few minutes. It is almost like auto resolve only better. And a big plus is I've learned much about equipment. And I think that USSR, at least on the beginning is really overpowered while in the second US-UK scenario my M48 Patton tanks which are heavier than Soviet MBT/Medium Tanks were massacred by T-54/55. Overall it wasn't bad game.
The interesting unit lists and feeling of freedom that it gave the players, as well as putting the effort into making unique scenario missions, rescued the game from its flawed mechanics for me. I have fond memories of it.
There's a stand alone game that comes in several version- Mars Wars, Doom Wars, UAC wars. They're all the same product really. Its a doom based RTS game, think its a mod of either Warhammer 2 or command and conquer if I had to guess, that's pretty fun and free to download and play. Small file at that. Never really left the alpha stages though. give it a look sometime its down your alley.
nice vid i only have one problem with everything you said. as a hetzer fan it is everything but Czech it was a German tank developed in Germany the only thing that makes it remotely Czech is it was based off the Czech panzer 38.
It was using the Sudden Strike engine. The same problems are valid to the entire Sudden Strike series. Use artillery and push slowly, repair and head your units and use spotters. Thankfully they upgraded the Sudden Strike engine to the Blitzkrieg and that was quite a good game.
I'm not a fan of limited ammo and fuel. While it might be more realistic, having to micromanage each unit is just painful. At least in real life, those units will have the brains to get to refuel and rearm themselves.
Blitzkrieg was a really good game. I've always liked RTS games and my friend recently introduced it to me. It's obviously old and clunky and some game mechanics (particularly line of sight) are kind of broken, but I feel like it provides a pretty realistic take on WW2 era combat.
First of all....the game is good. Much better than most of the modern games. Second....the publisher was full of original ideas with several actually good and original games. I still remember a countless hours spend with Jagged Union. The graphic is a little under the critic but the game is full of fun. Actually, this video reminded me on those games to play them again.....
Can you do that game where its a bit like an RTS, but you enter temples with a hero and read a text box to see if they won? When they do, they gain more skills. Circa 98/99
bruh i played the shit out of this game when i was a kid. someone bought me few games, and this was one of them, after i got my first pc, with no internet at all. still have the cd but can't get it to run on my newer pc :(
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this is the kind of game that modders could turn into a masterpiece.
during :) (in progress)
It's pretty much a mod itself. It's based on a total conversion of Nival's game called Blitzkrieg, which is awesome. There is even a Mad Max type strategy that is pretty much a Blitzkrieg asset swap.
@Darryl Revok Well, check out Silent Storm from the same developer. It's like a Nazi X-COM with fully destructible maps.
It's a Blitzkrieg 1 mod, because 1C likes mods. Stalin VS Martians is also a Blitzkrieg 3 mod.
@@olegkosygin2993 more like a jagged alliance clone in WW2 with diesel punk elements and [SPOILERS AHEAD]
small mechs later in the game
Wait a minute, this is just Blitzkrieg !
Oivan!
I believe they use the same engine.
that's why it looked familiar.
Me thoughts exactly!
always has been
Tank Destroyers are probably called Tank Chasers because the German word for them is Panzerjäger or Jagdpanzer. Jäger means hunter but can also be translated as chaser. Tank hunter would make more sense, but hey.
I ended up deleting this bit from the video because I couldn't coherently articulate the thought, but basically: a Russian term for Tank Destroyer (one of several) is Exterminator. It also happens to be their term for the class of aircraft designed to chase down and intercept enemy bombers. I think in the mind of underpaid programmer who ended up translating the UI-related stuff, all these things became conflated.
@@WarlockracyIt's elementary. It's "Counter-Tank" (Verbatim) or "Anti-tank"
Similar to Czech "stíhač tanků". "Stíhač" is also used for airplane interceptor so "stíhač tanků" could be translated as tank interceptor but verbatim translation also means tank chaser.
Jäger is meant to be "Hunter", not "chaser".
@@ducedevlstear2471 Depending on the context both is possible.
When "jagen" is not used as hunt but to quickly follow behind someone ("jemanden hinterherjagen") it can be translated as chasing.
But this are several strange corners to think around to get there.
Maybe it os french where "chasser" means "jagen" and the Tank destroyer/Jagdpanzer is a "Chasseur de chars"
Rapa Nui (aka Easter Island), where the famous Moai statues are located, IS the easternmost of the major inhabited Pacific islands, and closer to South America than any other continent.
But it's still like 3000 miles away (about as far away as Hawaii is from the mainland USA), so the image in the game, which appears to show the South American mainland being visible from Rapa Nui, is still hilariously wrong.
It's also owned by Chile. But yes. Still a long ways from South America.
They've relocated Statue of Liberty. Maybe they've just moved these too?
That "monstrosity" is the Convair Model 49, which was a coleopter concept for the Advanced Aerial Fire Support System in the sixties. It's still absolutely wacky science fiction, but it comes from the demented minds of American aerospace engineers, not the demented minds of Russian wargame designers.
Young me had a lot of fun with the Bulgarian translation of this game. I save scummed and loved the detailed vehicles. It fueled my tank and vehicle mania byt itself. But as a game, it is very flawed.
This game was so heartbreakingly close to being good.
Actually there is a very obscure scene that does make these types of games with the Blitzkrieg engine. This is one of them. Others are Stalingrad, Talvisota: Icy Hell, and some WWI game i forget the name of (pretty sure it was called simply WWI). The Blitzkrieg game is really a niche taste type of game. It is frustrating and janky from a gameplay perspective, but the games themselves are quite well researched and the battles are spectacular most of the time which kinda balances out the jank. That's why it still has a serious (albeit really small) community up to this day.
I replay blitzkrieg I and II every year. I have probably played thousands of hours. Had it on disk when I was just a boy. Made levels for my friends to play. I wish they didnt drop the ball on Blitzkrieg III so hard.
Ahh, during the era when every game was WWII and RTS wasn't dead yet.
@@claytonmoore8472 As a veteran could you spill the beans on how to use infantry in blitzkrieg 2?
@@peterdenov4898If it's an offensive operation, just don't bother, it's ridiculously squishy and ANY armored vehicle is able to claim a horrifying number of poor grunts. If it's defensive and you have trenches, infantry does an okay job.
Penetration system works like this: Each side of vehicle has min to max armor stats. Visible stat is average. Weapon penetration is exact value +/- random value. On successful hit, random value from within armor values is matched with random penetration from within penetration values. Also every vehicle has hidden stat which decides chance to fail enemy hit even if it should hit based on spread and distance (mean to represent how hard it is to hit I guess?).
Oh wow, this is literally just cold-war blitzkrieg. Anyway, too bad it seems they worsened resupplly mechanics; they had a winning formula with blitzkrieg 2. Having played it and its expannsion, Fall of the Reich, i can see how this sort of game-balance will feel really frustrating. Tank fights really do feel, transparently, RNG. You can manipulate them a bit by forcing defensive tactics even while on the offensive, attempting to provoke hostiles to attack you. Infantry in trenches are great for this to draw fire.
Ah yes, this game that when I played it, felt like a juiced up Sudden Strike. Beat it once, never touched it again.
The "Chaser/Destroyer" thing is something that oddly enough makes sense to me, as I have seen it before. A naval Destroyer is not called a "Destroyer" in Swedish, but rather a "hunter". And "hunt" is the same word as "chase". Could be something to do with that.
"You get to defeat the Russians using second hand Russian equipment"
This comment aged well lmao
rofl
Doesn't that happen every time?
Second hand Soviet equipment× Countless human bodies√
@@user-sd6ev3rn5wyou emphasize as if Ukraine's the only one actually taking casualties
@@Familyguyfunnymoments_ I guess he/she emphasize the Ruzzians that got killed by that second hand equipment. Ironic tbh since the Ruzzia use and bought second hand equipment too from China, Iran, and North Korea. I guess mobikfuhrer became so desperate for that Soviet Union x Tsarist deep dark fantasy
To be fair, Easter Island/Rapa Nui is owned by Chile, but it's nowhere near the mainland.
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If you want MOW with a TW style strategic map, I recommend checking out Dynamic Campaign Generator. The newest version is only for the first Men of War but its well worth a look at.
Honestly, it wasn't that bad. It just felt half finished and the ending was like "wtf that's it?" I only completed the Chinese campaign because there wasn't any payoff in completing the other campaigns given the universal ending. The biggest two annoyances in gameplay were the inability to see enemy units at varying elevation and the incredibly easy defense missions. The radiation environmental hazard was also nice until I realized how tedious it was to clear a path and how often the AI would path through radiation patches and kill itself. I put up with the game because of my niche interest in the period and my liking of the blitzkrieg games of the same engine.
I think you're in the same boat as me and many other buyers of the game, in that we liked the concept so much that we were willing to put up with the flaws in the gameplay. It was a very unique idea and having so many period-specific units to play with, as well as feeling like you could go anywhere you wanted on a strategic map while building up and maintaining a persistent army, was worth putting up with the lackluster gameplay.
Right? That game was some sort of TNO grandfather back in the day
I remember this game, since I also played it. It was my Blitzkrieg-phase so there we go. Especially the chinese campaign was rather interessing. Mostly because they had an additional resource they could use - manpower. They were the only faction that could reinforce infantry squads. So I basically ordered all my squads to attack a fortified position, put supply trucks slightly behind them and set them to reinforce them and all I could see was infantry trying to rush and dying on mass until the enemy was slowly whittled down, or ran out of ammunition - most of the times it was the latte. Fun times. I also tried modding a bit since tanks like the Abrams were hidden in the files.
I only played the Soviet and European campaigns but they were pretty fun. At least until you get to that absolute bullshit 'stealth mission' in the Soviet campaign where you're trying to prevent the POWs from being executed by the Chinese. so far as I can tell that mission was just unwinnable.
13:26 Hey, that's not Red Alert 2, that's Mental Omega!
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Did anyone else know you could increase or decrease the game speed with “+” or “-“? This also works for the two Blitzkriegs.
yes i know that
@@damix2933 You would be surprised how few people know that.
This sort of reminds me of the Risk/Total war style game mode in Tiberium Wars Kane's Wrath (PC only) i don't remember playing that game mode very much. Maybe that could be a video topic?
I feel like the idea of a "vision" mechanic is actually a really good idea, if only for the fact that these are such huge concepts in real-life wars that go almost completely unrepresented in games for the sake of convenience. The issue with this game is that they neither implemented any sort of conveyance that this mechanic exists or how much you can manipulate it, but also there is absolutely no way to _improve_ your vision. As a result the vision mechanic is not something you have to account for, rather it just remains a handicap. I want someone to make a game that handles this idea better.
Wargame: Red Dragon is pretty good if you haven't played it. Just....maybe ignore the public chat box.
One of the most practical uses of "more gun range than visual range" is in C&C3, where one faction has some sort of atillery mech that can only fire it's huge gun when forward positioned infantry units mark targets.
The engima engine (used in Blitzkrieg, TDA/CMC/IC, Stalingrad, WW1, Desert Law) is very long in the tooth now. The sad thing is a lot of the issues you described can and have been fixed.
Stalingrad for example fixed the issue with buildings and objects not blocking line of fire. It's a feature easily transplantable back to the original Blitzkrieg. Sadly TDA/CMC/IC is too different, adding radiation and fuel and 3d-mesh based missile based weapon (amongst other things) to port those changes to.
The issues with line of sight being too short, the camouflage problems, AA issues (being too effective, or not enough) are all fixable with XML changes. I've done it myself, albeit on the original Blitzkrieg rather than CMC. I've considered porting my mod to CMC to take advantage of the additional features that version of the game engine offers but as your review shows, there are just too many downsides.
TLDR, all the issues you mentioned could have so easily been fixed with proper playtesting, porting over features from Stalingrad and XML tweaks. They just couldn't be bothered.
Yeah for example i play the gzm mod with the xml file from stalingrad and works fine , my only problem its maintein the tank formation or preven then pull back with the but to the enemy
Good review, brings back memories.. got this game for my 8th birthday and finished it albeit with cheats, gonna redownload it and give it a go, if i manage to find it, I personally love it but because of nostalgia mostly
Btw if i remember correctly you can use + and - to speed up or slow down the game, so you can avoid the bad traction of wheeled vehicles on snow or desert maps, doing so you will be able to finish the filler defensive missions in literally 30 seconds because the game can go up to +10 speed, just set your infantry in defensive structures and trenches to counter tanks, if it fails just replay it since it takes little time because of the speed up
I remember this game and I loved it...16 years ago. I recall playing filler and scenario missions, spending resource points, planning on the strategic map.
I can imagine that this game feels bad now for a grown up person, but back then for a teenager it was perfect.
You rightly pointed out to the features that pissed me off, like nonsense with aviation and refuelling. Strangely enough you didn't mention ATGMs in Ice Crusade DLC - it was quite an innovative mechanics in strategy games those days, but their implementation made it very hard to use tanks.
Actually this game is based on famous Blitzkrieg series, that is WW2 strategy. That's why the game has so many WW2 stuff.
Anyway, thank you for making me remember this wonderful game.
I would like you to make Combat Mission games review. Sounds like you can tarnish them pretty well.
And every time you are attacked on the strategic map when you go to the tactical mode -- you always need to attack. So, on a strategic level, they are attacking you, and you are outnumbered 3 to 1 or even worse. You go into Real-Time mode and YOU need to attack the entrenched position, again, being outnumbered 3 to 1. And AI defense always has the AT and AA Artillery, slaughtering all of your vehicles and aircraft at the sight. At the same time, when you defend your facilities, you have only infantry and light-armored personnel vehicles. That's just not fair.
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Why is my PP so big?
Your videos are fire, man. Glad I found your channel, subbed.
Extremely good channel and videos. The Morrowind videos brought me, but damn - you make good stuff.
Wow I’m glad I found you. This was an interesting review.
I remember playing Blitzkrieg 1 as a kid, I still have the DVD somewhere. Good times. Some missions were pretty hard for a 8 yo lol
9:00 the Puma is a wheeled vehicle and is driving slower because of the type of terrain it is going over, not because of a hill. The fuel truck had the same issue earlier in the video trying to reach the tank. The game is 2.5D so hills are visually represented too.
Resupplying vehicle is slow on snow because of terrain. It's like mud and vehicle doesn't have tracks to move faster. Also the AI can be exploited like killing the tanks from above or behind smoke screen but strategy is worthless. Artillery is the queen of the field.
American-British-Australian alliance...
At least the game was some kind of "prophetic"!
As someone who eats French bread, I am offended by this.
Aukus
Apparently Gates of Hell will have a dynamic campaign on release, so maybe your wish will be granted there.
Everytime I see this game, I want to play it again, only to realize the tactical combat make me bored to tears
Thank you for making me feel like that again
Referring to the Hetzer as a “cutie” is now my favorite concept. Consider it STOLEN, my good man
Who knew that about a month after this video was posted, frozen Texas became a reality for a small amount of time lol
Believe it or not, this game has a semi-active modding community that makes it into something enjoyable. The most popular mod right now is "Chronicles of Third World War", which greatly expands on the story, available missions and unit roster. For instance, Act 1 of the Soviet campaign is dedicated to performing "police action" in Polish People's Republic that decided to break away from Warsaw Pact (with a little help from Anglo-American expeditionary force), and your starting units are late WW2 surplus (IS-2M, T-44, IL-10M etc). Oh, and the damage model was somewhat fixed, the battles are no longer a coin toss between win and fail.
Can i get a link to yhe mod
this game reminds me of a really niche game called 'Cold War Conflicts' that came out in the 90's, it had the same style of gameplay, tanks running our of ammo, supply trucks, infantry can crew vehicles, kill vehicle crews, and many artillery guns, its rather scary how similar these two games are, with this one only looking slightly better graphically.
The game uses the same engine in which the game Stalingrad was made - It is a game inspired by the Sudden Strike and Blitzkrieg series by the looks of it - isomentric artwork meets 3D vehicle units, tanks with actual different armor over front, side and rear and lots of different unit types working together.
But something is a little off - the detail about the camo-effect of static units appears in Stalingrad too.
It's a really good attempt but somehow i cant decide wether just masss-blob strats of methodical working out enemy positions is the most effective and or enjoyble way to make the game work.
Anyways...
i like the 90s documentary feel to it it reminded me of one those old history series that uses synth. The artstyle reminded me of Postal 1 and its more like Postal meets military magazines art. Its nice. They really missed an opportunity here.
This channel is fantastic.
Will you do a review of this game cousin Stalingrad? I played both Cuban Missile Crisis and Stalingrad but for some reasons I think Stalingrad is better although still suffer from some of the same flaws. I got both for free so might be something to do with that too.
3:16 I nearly choked on my water LOL
Strange, I grew up in the 2000s and I never heard of this game before but Red Alert. Thanks for sharing this.
Ah, I knew why this game looked so familiar. The same company also made a WW1 game creatively named "WW1".
I remember having a copy of this game but it had a different name
EdIT: the name was THE DAY AFTER
About vision-classical sudden strike\blitzkrieg stuff .I don't played this game yet (but I have it in steam ) and don't know how it's work here ,but in sudden strike officer with binoculars and long range artillery battery solves all problems
i swear to god i played a game like this or something in Vietnam or the cold war bc i remember these same graphics but with a russian helicopter and a mini soldier that came out of a rundown barracks
I was playing both of them when I was a kid, and i liked them A LOT, because nobody told me they are bad...
I play this game when I'm sick, still rocking out to the soundtrack.
I had no idea a cold war blitzkrieg game existed
if this is really the blitzkrieg engen then some one should have told him he can fast-forward the gameplay by pressing the + key
"you pick battles on a Strategic Mode and then fight them" so Empire Earth then.
Since you are doing bad blitzkrieg games(but I repeat myself) you should try Stalin vs. Martians
your channel is so so so good.
You didn't mention it but when defending random facilities the ai also gets a lot of AT emplacements that the player doesn't get when defending meaning your garrison consists solely of infantry squads and is expected to fend off tank hordes with shoulder carried AT weaponry or the tanks getting too close. The Ai being what it is this actually works somehow but is a pain to do because it takes a while and you can't autoresolve.
Also aircraft wise the only plane really worth using are fighter bombers because they do more damage, stay on for longer and can and will single handedly clear pretty much any mission where SAM sites aren't in play and those to my knowledge only show up in some story missions. Other aircraft like level bombers just plain can't compete.
I believe they translated tank destroyers as tank chasers because in russian it's истребитель танков, and истребитель being the same russian word for fighter (as in "fighter plane"). Looks like translator decided that "tank fighter" would sound retarded and sticks to older term for "fighter" part of the "fighter plane" that is "chaser" plane. Translator was professional in linguistics but unaccustomed to military terminology, it seems.
At the beginning, there were three true-witches walking the *True-Step!*
yeah that thing 12:17 was an actual design from Convair, the Convair model 49
My version of the game runs under the name "The Day After" ... the story is quite interesting and they wrote whole story essays for that.
This reminds me, graphically, very strongly of Panzer General 2. It's really surprising that this was all made from the ground up and isn't a mod of that... but then I can't recall if Panzer General 2 had any kind of realtime option. I only played the original PG a ton as a kid, but remember being really impressed with the visual leap taken for the second game. I think my computer was too crappy to run it when it came out, something like that. I would love a total visual update to Panzer General that left the mechanics intact besides some further options etc... like making Norway less of an insane step up in difficulty. It's like it checks that you can beat Poland easily and know what you're doing, and then because of that you get sent to an insanely difficult mission to take Norway... I don't have a problem with the added complexity of the mission, but it shouldn't also require such slim margins to win. Maybe I should check out PG2 all this time later...
Man I loved this game when I was a teen, the one i liked most was Ice Crusade, it started my love of Object 279 :) I never really found it boring, i just thought it was really hard and to be honest I love a crazy concept delivered with a straight face, my biggest issue with Red Alert 3 was that they made it too much of a joke while Red Alert 2 was basically a perfect balance.
I was obsessed with this game when I was 16
I've been hearing the ReArmed rebalance mod makes a lot of improvements that make the game worth playing. Might be worth trying.
@4:15 Weird seeing The Red Square w/o a tourist bazaar vomited all over it...
Well, the game has very good atmosphere of nuclear apocalypse. I played it quite a lot and sometimes I stop playing because I wanted just listen to music and watch my tanks before most of them will go to tank heaven or tank hell. But the random battles are nuisance. Most of them are almost the same. Even with few tanks enemy had few squads of infantry with rocket launchers and in most situations they will just act passive and wait in ambush. The air forces are essential to defend territories from the enemy incursions (again with few tanks and a bunch of infantry) but they can win a battle in few minutes. It is almost like auto resolve only better. And a big plus is I've learned much about equipment. And I think that USSR, at least on the beginning is really overpowered while in the second US-UK scenario my M48 Patton tanks which are heavier than Soviet MBT/Medium Tanks were massacred by T-54/55. Overall it wasn't bad game.
The interesting unit lists and feeling of freedom that it gave the players, as well as putting the effort into making unique scenario missions, rescued the game from its flawed mechanics for me. I have fond memories of it.
COMMENTED AND LIKED! you are a hidden fucking gem of a reviewer. I bought this game and got so frustrated and came to you.
This really reminds me of Blitzkrieg anthology
There's a stand alone game that comes in several version- Mars Wars, Doom Wars, UAC wars. They're all the same product really. Its a doom based RTS game, think its a mod of either Warhammer 2 or command and conquer if I had to guess, that's pretty fun and free to download and play. Small file at that. Never really left the alpha stages though.
give it a look sometime its down your alley.
>it is a mystery
Oh, I remember that. ;)
nice vid i only have one problem with everything you said. as a hetzer fan it is everything but Czech it was a German tank developed in Germany the only thing that makes it remotely Czech is it was based off the Czech panzer 38.
It was using the Sudden Strike engine. The same problems are valid to the entire Sudden Strike series.
Use artillery and push slowly, repair and head your units and use spotters.
Thankfully they upgraded the Sudden Strike engine to the Blitzkrieg and that was quite a good game.
Can you make one for Compulsion for Peace please? That mod for Sudden Strike was whack but fun af.
I'm not a fan of limited ammo and fuel. While it might be more realistic, having to micromanage each unit is just painful. At least in real life, those units will have the brains to get to refuel and rearm themselves.
12:05 lmao at "Huston"
Have you heard of "World War III: Black Gold"?
I wish you made this before I bought it, and its DLC or what ever the other game is.
Blitzkrieg was a really good game. I've always liked RTS games and my friend recently introduced it to me. It's obviously old and clunky and some game mechanics (particularly line of sight) are kind of broken, but I feel like it provides a pretty realistic take on WW2 era combat.
It's strange watching this video in 2024. They really put to eleven marketing campaign for the next part.
I had a lot of fun trying to translate back from English to Russian the terms and trying to guess the original meaning
I thought he was actually rating the real Cuban missile crisis
For some reason i love this game
Sounds like Eugen systems too a small page from this book
I remember this game
First of all....the game is good. Much better than most of the modern games. Second....the publisher was full of original ideas with several actually good and original games. I still remember a countless hours spend with Jagged Union. The graphic is a little under the critic but the game is full of fun. Actually, this video reminded me on those games to play them again.....
Who's here from Rimmy ?
Imagine a red alert2 mod for this
Dawn of war dark crusade has a mode sort of like this if you’re still Looking for good 4x-like rts games, though it’s a bit basic
I have nightmares about ZSU 57-2 because of this game.
Oh this is the game that foreshadowed how good AAA units like this is going to be in War Thunder...
Have you checked out Stalingrad 2004? It is very similar to this game.
the only way to upstage a AAA Battery is by using a highly skilled indie helicopter crew
it took two years to someone to make this joke
Can you do that game where its a bit like an RTS, but you enter temples with a hero and read a text box to see if they won? When they do, they gain more skills. Circa 98/99
Heroes of Might and Magic 1
It's a Blitzkrieg 1 mod, because 1C likes mods. Stalin VS Martians is also a Blitzkrieg 3 mod.
Game of my childhood
Subbed due to this and other videos, loving your stuff.
A the "Chaser" Tank Chaser
bruh i played the shit out of this game when i was a kid. someone bought me few games, and this was one of them, after i got my first pc, with no internet at all. still have the cd but can't get it to run on my newer pc :(