Sergio Toppi is a master of designing chaos and using bold negative space for clarity. How he pulls that off is beyond me but damn I love it. So much to learn!!
I was lucky enough to be taught by Stelfreeze and he used the movie "The Big Combo" for doing black and white tv drawings. It's on youtube, just do quick studies off that and it will answer a lot of great composition questions.
I'd also strongly recommend reading the 11th issue of "Comic Book Artist" which is an Alex Toth issue. He's interviewed by Paul Rivoche and it's a treasure trove of instruction from Alex Toth.
This shit is fucking gold. The funny thing, is when I am removed from making the images and talking composition, much of this stuff comes to mind, but it just bleeds out of my mind when I grab a pencil or pen.
Thanks to you guys I found out about the famous artists cartoon course. I had no idea there was a famous artists course as well. Really appreciate you for providing this info.
I am currently reading the Bravo For Adventure Artist Edition, bought because of your video about it, and every page I have read is an example if excellence in visual story telling, in composition! Additionally, his line-art style and lettering are smooth, attractive; complementary to his adventurous plot and dialog.
Im so ecstatic about this episode. I know that composition is my main weakness and this is extremely helpful and definitely inspired me to find out more information and sources, books on the subject.
I somehow missed this one. Great review of the course and its elements! One thing that works for me in terms of composition is to think of anything I'm about to draw as a film still. Or part of a film still. So this way you have some sort of encapsulated energy going on in the drawing as well as arrangement of elements that doesn't seem bland or stiff or stagey.
Love this stuff ! Always learning and relearning things. I can see a generation getting early lessons, tips and inspiration to make better work. The future creators owes you guys. Keep it up!
Awesome episode, gents! To continue with some graduate level study, track down a reader copy of CREEPY #1 or CREEPY Archives Vol. 1 and throw that under the microscope. I'd love to hear your your impressions / critiques of what Jim Warren cobbled together for just 35 cents in 1964 with the likes of Joe Orlando, Reed Crandall, Frank Frazetta, Gray Morrow, Al Williamson, and more. Thanks so much for Cartoonist Kayfabe and keep up the great work!
With comics, so much of it has to be intuitive. If you've grown up reading thousands of comics, as many of us have, you internalize it like a language, even the bad stuff if it repeats itself over and over. And if you have a deadline, you tend to work without intellectualizing it much, which also makes life simpler for you and gets more of that mountain of pages done. I remember some of my preliterate attempts at comics where I colored some pages out of register because I thought that was something professionals did, and I liked the way it looked.
I'm a video editor and a lot of this stuff is cool to think about when it comes to shot selection. What do different compositions actually mean, what pov does the audience infer, and in what order do you want to reveal information about the setting and characters.
To get a master class in composition, check out anything by Doug Wildey! Some of the best composition in a comic comes from his " Rio " comics. The read like a Glenn Ford film. We all know him from his original Johnny Quest work ( character design mostly, but he also did breakdowns and key animation points for many of the first episodes ), but his westerns are truly eye opening.
Wow! Never a dull moment in Kayfabe land! Not being sarcastic,guys! Great video! Drawing is like mountain climbing,always moving forward as much as possible! Anyone bragging about artwork is Bob Kane and definitely bullshit! Keep reading and making comix! Thanks again ‘
Looks like you might need to brush up on BK history. Sure, he promoted himself, but he indeed conceived of and did most of the early work on Batman, both character creation and art.
This was a great episode. Mostly because I agree about laying out pages. The perfect composition is definitely not always right for the story and narrative you are illustrating.
Great video. PDF can be found witha simple search. This kind of material should be reprinted forever!
What is the title of the art course to search for the PDF?
Sergio Toppi is a master of designing chaos and using bold negative space for clarity. How he pulls that off is beyond me but damn I love it. So much to learn!!
Hello Troy! I love Sergio Toppi's work too. I enjoy your work too, specially the Fear n Loathing adaptation from a few years ago.
I was lucky enough to be taught by Stelfreeze and he used the movie "The Big Combo" for doing black and white tv drawings. It's on youtube, just do quick studies off that and it will answer a lot of great composition questions.
This is the best channel on RUclips hands down.
I'd also strongly recommend reading the 11th issue of "Comic Book Artist" which is an Alex Toth issue. He's interviewed by Paul Rivoche and it's a treasure trove of instruction from Alex Toth.
This shit is fucking gold. The funny thing, is when I am removed from making the images and talking composition, much of this stuff comes to mind, but it just bleeds out of my mind when I grab a pencil or pen.
I have all the PDFs and they truly are a gem.
Thanks to you guys I found out about the famous artists cartoon course. I had no idea there was a famous artists course as well. Really appreciate you for providing this info.
So many of the fundamentals taught in the Famous Artist course still apply today… great to see you two grooving on it!
I am currently reading the Bravo For Adventure Artist Edition, bought because of your video about it, and every page I have read is an example if excellence in visual story telling, in composition! Additionally, his line-art style and lettering are smooth, attractive; complementary to his adventurous plot and dialog.
Im so ecstatic about this episode. I know that composition is my main weakness and this is extremely helpful and definitely inspired me to find out more information and sources, books on the subject.
Swearing off my A-to-B talking head exposition pages after this, always would drudge through them exactly like Ed described his pharmacy scene.
As ever, yet another amazing video - I just love all of your videos !!
Dropping a comment for the algorithm! Dope video! 🍻 love the idea of doing a course w the crew -Andy
I might have to look for his instructional stuff. I think I saw it somewhere for sale as I was browsing. I love his work and accomplishments.
Amazing- I’m excited to read these for myself. Thanks for heads up guys!
I always feel like composition is over my head. Working on pages as i watch this, so I def appreciate you guys sharing the knowledge. Many thanks!
And what you said about Wally Wood's 22 Panels acting more as tools/ideas, rather than rules, completely turned me on my head
Invaluable stuff! Thanks!
I somehow missed this one. Great review of the course and its elements! One thing that works for me in terms of composition is to think of anything I'm about to draw as a film still. Or part of a film still. So this way you have some sort of encapsulated energy going on in the drawing as well as arrangement of elements that doesn't seem bland or stiff or stagey.
Love this stuff ! Always learning and relearning things. I can see a generation getting early lessons, tips and inspiration to make better work. The future creators owes you guys. Keep it up!
Awesome episode, gents! To continue with some graduate level study, track down a reader copy of CREEPY #1 or CREEPY Archives Vol. 1 and throw that under the microscope. I'd love to hear your your impressions / critiques of what Jim Warren cobbled together for just 35 cents in 1964 with the likes of Joe Orlando, Reed Crandall, Frank Frazetta, Gray Morrow, Al Williamson, and more. Thanks so much for Cartoonist Kayfabe and keep up the great work!
You guys are great!!! Thank YOU!!!!!
The next episode you guys sould do is How to Think when you Draw by the Etherington Brothers.
Thanks for posting this! What a great resource!
Fantastic stuff, also some of the recommendations from the comments are gold.
With comics, so much of it has to be intuitive. If you've grown up reading thousands of comics, as many of us have, you internalize it like a language, even the bad stuff if it repeats itself over and over. And if you have a deadline, you tend to work without intellectualizing it much, which also makes life simpler for you and gets more of that mountain of pages done. I remember some of my preliterate attempts at comics where I colored some pages out of register because I thought that was something professionals did, and I liked the way it looked.
I'm a video editor and a lot of this stuff is cool to think about when it comes to shot selection. What do different compositions actually mean, what pov does the audience infer, and in what order do you want to reveal information about the setting and characters.
This was a great refresher! Is there somewhere to get this?
Found it!
To get a master class in composition, check out anything by Doug Wildey! Some of the best composition in a comic comes from his " Rio " comics. The read like a Glenn Ford film. We all know him from his original Johnny Quest work ( character design mostly, but he also did breakdowns and key animation points for many of the first episodes ), but his westerns are truly eye opening.
Wow! Never a dull moment in Kayfabe land! Not being sarcastic,guys! Great video! Drawing is like mountain climbing,always moving forward as much as possible! Anyone bragging about artwork is Bob Kane and definitely bullshit! Keep reading and making comix! Thanks again ‘
Looks like you might need to brush up on BK history. Sure, he promoted himself, but he indeed conceived of and did most of the early work on Batman, both character creation and art.
Another influence Toth has cited is the German artist Ludwig Holwein.
YES!!!! THANK YOU
You guys should definitely create an online course by the way. Let me know if you want help making it!
Is this available for download gentlemen???
This was a great episode. Mostly because I agree about laying out pages. The perfect composition is definitely not always right for the story and narrative you are illustrating.
Can you make a PDF and post it, or link us to one?
Is this essay on Alex Toth available on-line?
Yes. It's in a collection of essays about Alex Toth by the late Jesse Hamm - Hamm on Toth: jessehamm.gumroad.com/l/mALZC - Jim
@@CartoonistKayfabe thanks for sharing!
This is what I’m here for
woah this is good
awesome
Best channel. Ever.
Where can I find this ?
Is it too early to tell if Red Room will be seeing a hardcover release one day?
link the pdf?
thanks guys.