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The dwarven race is my favourite one in middle earth. From durin the deathless to dain ironfoot, the dwarven civilisation has been particularly effective.
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The Dwarves were more of a service economy rather than a agricultural economy, and with thousands of years of refinement of forging and commercial power grew in power.
Much as I like Gimli in the films and the excellent portrayal of John Rhys Davies, I feel his comedic asides, bromance with Legolas, and general stature kinda set the tone for the LOTR dwarves to be treated less seriously than the elves and humans. The Hobbit trilogy did a little bit better, but not my much and only with Thorin. Much like the look at the Hobbits last time it’s great to see the Dwarven society looked at in further detail.
Yeah, I definitely agree, Dwarves definitely need a more serious and dramatically interesting representation. That being said, Gimli was still one half of my favourite exchange in the whole series: "Never Thought I'd die side by side with an elf" "How about side by side with a friend?" Brings a tear to my eye everytime without fail
The Hobbit trilogy did better in setting a serious tone for the Dwarves? You must be off your rocker. Thorin's company are nothing but gags to be had in that film, there is no depth to any of their characters
@@MagusMarquillin I agree that Gimli's character gets mostly reduced to comic relief gags, but the Hobbit's gags are far worse, bottom level humour most of the time
@@meduseld6610 Oh, I agree there's some bad attempts at physical comedy through the Hobbit, but I disagree there's no depth to any of their characters, particularly Thorin, Dwalin, Balin, Kili (not all of it works in his case) and Boufur all had great, dignified scenes. The attempt at fleshing out the dwarves was there, but they were being hampered by too many cooks making a haphazard mess, and many people only seem to remember Bombur bouncing down CGI orcs in his barrel.
They weren’t great at farming but mining was definitely their trade, and especially when they found erebor they would never be a problem for money again, thanks Wizards+Warriors
Erebor wasn't the only rich mines they find. There was also many other settlements like Nogrod, Belegost, Gundabad and to a lesser extent, the Blue Mountains and the Iron Hills. And none surpass the richers of Khazad-dum.
I've always just assumed that Dwarves were petravores, what with their obsession with digging stuff out of the earth... Why not eat the worthless earthstuff? I'm kidding, if that weren't obvious.
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Nice to see more of dwarves since they are so mysterious in the lore asides from Thorin and Co and Gimili. People have brought up a dwarf economy can't work like with all that gold they have that drwas dragons would like depreciate the value, which is the fantasy of it, but there can be a logic that can apply to make it work.
the dwarven race is one of my fav in lotr. also the all the characters of dwarves also my fav. brilliant video. love your videos. both channels are my fav. love from sri lanka.
How do you skip over the greatest Dwarven city, Khazad-dûm, and its relationship with the elves of Eregion? Also Durin's Folk is another name just for the Longbeards, the clan founded by Durin the Deathless. The other Dwarven clans had their own fathers.
Yes that one part is interesting, Eregion and Moria relationship would no doubt include very lively exchange of both knowledge, skill and goods, the Elves of Eregion were also largely Noldor who themselves are quite skilled smiths and craftsmen, as well as masons and builders, (Eregion did have the great stone cities like Ost-in-Edhil) and roads and so on, the ruins of Eregion or what's left of them are seen even so late into Third Age when Fellowship passes through. Eregion Elves would also have I bet the agriculture needed to both sustain themselves and to trade the foodstuffs with the Dwarves (probably also elven realm of Lindon would play a part in the economic relations in that time!). One can imagine that Lindon would also provide some pearls for trade like the Elves of Falas before in First Age (though of course that's an assumption, we're ranginto into speculation here). I particularly like this line from Unfinished Tales: " Both Elves and Dwarves had great profit from this association: so that Eregion became far stronger, and Khazad-dûm far more beautiful, than either would have done alone." Also Eregion case provides another example of a great and warm personal friendship of elf lord Celebrimbor and dwarf craftsman Narvi.
@@fantasywind3923 So then really Khazad Dum and Eregion would be Dwarven and Elven super powers respectively, with Eregion not being not entirely reliant on Dwarf craftsmanship, as they had their own, but were greatly enriched by it nonetheless?
@@mattgrandich3977 I think so. Eregion was a realm of the powerful Noldor, High Elves who naturally not only build great civilization and culture but were also strong warriors. The Noldor craftsmen of Eregion probably aimed to surpass the skill of the past times the mighty realms of Beleriand, and maybe even Valinor itself! That was certainly a dream for Celebrimbor to reach the legendary height of skill that Feanor boasted (and that's why Sauron's teachings were so attractive to them), and Moria, Khazad-dum in that period of Second Age was also very powerful realm, in fact almos an empire. Going by texts in HoME: “…for the Longbeards had spread southward down the Vales of Anduin and had made their chief ’mansion’ and stronghold at Moria; and also eastward to the Iron Hills, where the mines were their chief source of iron-ore. They regarded the Iron Hills, the Ered Mithrin, and the east dales of the Misty Mountains as their own land.” HoME XII, Peoples of Middle-earth, Of Dwarves and Men ... “It was a brief period in … the Second Age, yet for many lives of Men the Longbeards controlled the Ered Mithrin, Erebor, and the Iron Hills, and all the east side of the Misty Mountains as far as the confines of Lórien; while the Men of the North dwelt in all the adjacent lands as far south as the Great Dwarf Road that cut through the Forest (the Old Forest Road was its ruinous remains in the Third Age)….” The Peoples of Middle-Earth, HoME Vol 12, Part 2, Ch 10, Of Dwarves and Men: Notes, Note 30 That period of early Second Age saw the flourishing of both elven and dwarven civilization. The trading and alliance with Elves, Men of Rhovanion would have made both Eregion and Khazad-dum prosper. Eregion would probably also have contacts with Lindon and the elven king Gil-galad would benefit indirectly from association. Moria was also a source of mithril, it's discovery in Second Age brought insane wealth (which also flowed through into Eregion, and in fact the Elves of Eregion decided to move in BECAUSE of the news of the discovery of this metal). Eregion's strength is difficult to assess as we have little information about it's inner workings, though it had at least one great city/stronghold of Ost-in-Edhil, they were quarrying for sone, building their own infrastructure, exchange of knowledge, skill and goods with the Dwarves would definitely benefit both sides. Even Fellowship near 5000 years later saw some ancient leftovers of ruins of Eregion, and used the ancient road the elves build for their traffic with the Dwarves. Legolas says he senses things within the stones of the land: "'To the end of the journey - in the end,' said Gandalf. 'We cannot look too far ahead. Let us be glad that the first stage is safely over. I think we will rest here, not only today but tonight as well. There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there.' 'That is true,' said Legolas. 'But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them: Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago.'" ... "From Ost-in-Edhil, the city of the Elves, the highroad ran to the west gate of Khazad-dûm" The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age ... "'In Eregion the craftsmen of the Gwaith-i-Mírdain, the People of the Jewel-smiths, surpassed in cunning all that have ever wrought, save only Fëanor himself; and indeed greatest in skill among them was Celebrimbor, son of Curufin, ...' The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age The loss of Eregion would be tragic, who can say how much wonders were lost forever: "'Sauron used all his arts upon Celebrimbor and his fellow-smiths, who had formed a society or brotherhood, very powerful in Eregion, the Gwaith-i-Mírdain; but he worked in secret, unknown to Galadriel and Celeborn. Before long Sauron had the Gwaith-i-Mírdain under his influence, for at first they had great profit from his instruction in secret matters of their craft. So great became his hold on the Mírdain that at length he persuaded them to revolt against Galadriel and Celeborn and to seize power in Eregion; and that was at some time between 1350 and 1400 of the Second Age.... At last the attackers broke into Eregion with ruin and devastation, and captured the chief object of Sauron's assault, the House of the Mírdain, where were their smithies and their treasures. Celebrimbor, desperate, himself withstood Sauron on the steps of the great door of the Mírdain; but he was grappled and taken captive, and the House was ransacked.' Unfinished Tales, Part 2, Ch IV, The History of Galadriel and Celeborn ... "[They] struck a good path. It looked to Frodo like the remains of an ancient road, that had once been broad and well planned, from Hollin to the mountain-pass.... Many of [the stones] looked to have been worked by hands, though now they lay tumbled and ruinous in a bleak, barren land."
An entire race that sorta takes the place of medieval craftsman and merchant classes, a rung of society that can only be supported by the basic labor of the rest of the population that allows them to specialize in a more specific field. Id' never really thought about them in that light before.
The Dwarves are among my favorite races of Middle-Earth. This video shows them to be exquisite craftsmen as they are. I can’t wait to see the Battle of Erebor between Dale and Erebor vs the Easterlings and Mordor.
It would be cool to see Nogrod and Belegost depicted in a show. Or a video game where you could play as and race in the Second Age of middle earth. And be able to create your own town or city
Their economy, is based on providing and making the finest quality of craftsmanship of whatever product or tool that a person orders. Well being professional and courteous at the same time.
It's kinda double edged sword. It built a symbiotic relationship between the races and kinda force good relationship with one another. But it also make them very dependant to each others, if the mens stop providing, famine will ravaged the dwarves and if the dwarves do the same, mens will find themselves with poor tools and weaponry. It's great from one side but not so great from another.
That may have been indeed one of the factors in diminishment of the Dwarves of Moria in late Third Age. As we know in the beginning, since early days the Dwarves of Khazad-dum become powerful and had strong connections with all the local peoples, Elves of Eregion in Second Age and the Northmen of Rhovanion. This economic cooperation, plus the influx of dwarven refugees from Ered Luin (the Dwarves from two other clans that escaped to Moria after the turmoil of War of Wrath wrecked the dwarf cities of Nogrod and Belegost in Blue Mountains) then the Dwarves of Moria increased massively in numbers in time of prosperity, but steadily things got worse, Eregion was destroyed and it's people left or were destroyed, the Men of Vales of Anduin became the major providers (as well as Hobbits in later period before their crossing the mountains into Eriador) then the kingdom of Arnor would probably also be a source of food, but we know that in centuries preceding the fall of Moria the situation was so that already the Longbeards were diminishing: "The Dwarves hid them-selves in deep places, guarding their hoards; but when evil began to stir again and dragons reappeared, one by one their ancient treasures were plundered, and they became a wandering people. Moria for long remained secure, but its numbers dwindled until many of its vast mansions became dark and empty." This period of decline no doubt would be also influenced by the neighboring peoples diminshment as well, the Hobbits mostly migrated west, Arnor during wars with Angmar was decimated until it fell in year 1974, and Moria itself fell soon after, when they discovered Balrog's hiding place: "After the end of the First Age the power and wealth of Khazad-dûm was much increased; for it was enriched by many people and much lore and craft when the ancient cities of Nogrod and Belegost in the Blue Mountains were ruined at the breaking of Thangorodrim. The power of Moria endured throughout the Dark Years and the dominion of Sauron, for though Eregion was destroyed and the gates of Moria were shut, the halls of Khazad-dûm were too deep and strong and filled with a people too numerous and valiant for Sauron to conquer from without. Thus its wealth remained long unravished, though its people began to dwindle. It came to pass that in the middle of the Third Age Durin was again its king, being the sixth of that name. The power of Sauron, servant of Morgoth, was then again growing in the world, though the Shadow in the Forest that looked towards Moria was not yet known for what it was. All evil things were stirring. The Dwarves delved deep at that time, seeking beneath Barazinbar for _mithril_, the metal beyond price that was becoming yearly ever harder to win. Thus they roused from sleep a thing of terror that, flying from Thangorodrim, had lain hidden at the foundations of the earth since the coming of the Host of the West: a Balrog of Morgoth. Durin was slain by it, and the year after Náin I, his son; and then the glory of Moria passed, and its people were destroyed or fled far away." With the dwindling neighbors it would be harder and harder to secure enough supplies to feed the whole population, also the mithril the extremely rare and precious metal was the source of much their wealth.
@@fantasywind3923 i agree. Shutting the gates was a mistake. I would prefer to die along friends and with a trusty axe in hand. Also note why would you smith and make the greatest armurs and weapons just to let them get dust and rust. Or worse never use them... I conclude it must be because the corrupting influence of dwarf rings gifted (or corrupted) by Sauron....
@@Josuegurrola that certainly could play a part, though in the Third Age Sauron had no Ring of his own the Seven Rings were made with his help and so they were corrupting, Sauron in Third Age actually also tried to reclaim the Seven and were're told of the Ring held by the Longbeards of Moria: "Of this Ring something may be said here. It was believed by the Dwarves of Durin’s Folk to be the first of the Seven that was forged; and they say that it was given to the King of Khazad-dûm, Durin III, by the Elven-smiths themselves and not by Sauron, though doubtless his evil power was on it, since he had aided in the forging of all the Seven. But the possessors of the Ring did not display it or speak of it, and they seldom surrendered it until near death, so that others did not know for certain where it was bestowed. Some thought that it had remained in Khazad-dûm, in the secret tombs of the kings, if they had not been discovered and plundered; but among the kindred of Durin’s Heir it was believed (wrongly) that Thrór had worn it when he rashly returned there. What then had become of it they did not know. It was not found on the body of Azog. None the less it may well be, as the Dwarves now believe, that Sauron by his arts had discovered who had this Ring, the last to remain free, and that the singular misfortunes of the heirs of Durin were largely due to his malice. For the Dwarves had proved untameable by this means. The only power over them that the Rings wielded was to inflame their hearts with a greed of gold and precious things, so that if they lacked them all other good things seemed profitless, and they were filled with wrath and desire for vengeance on all who deprived them. But they were made from their beginning of a kind to resist most steadfastly any domination. Though they could be slain or broken, they could not be reduced to shadows enslaved to another will; and for the same reason their lives were not affected by any Ring, to live either longer or shorter because of it. All the more did Sauron hate the possessors and desire to dispossess them. It was therefore perhaps partly by the malice of the Ring that Thráin after some years became restless and discontented. The lust for gold was ever in his mind. At last, when he could endure it no longer, he turned his thoughts to Erebor, and resolved to go back there. He said nothing to Thorin of what was in his heart; but with Balin and Dwalin and a few others, he arose and said farewell and departed. Little is known of what happened to him afterwards. It would now seem that as soon as he was abroad with few companions he was hunted by the emissaries of Sauron. Wolves pursued him, Orcs waylaid him, evil birds shadowed his path, and the more he strove to go north the more misfortunes opposed him. There came a dark night when he and his companions were wandering in the land beyond Anduin, and they were driven by a black rain to take shelter under the eaves of Mirkwood. In the morning he was gone from the camp, and his companions called him in vain. They searched for him many days, until at last giving up hope they departed and came at length back to Thorin. Only long after was it learned that Thráin had been taken alive and brought to the pits of Dol Guldur. There he was tormented and the Ring taken from him, and there at last he died." -- Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, Part III: Durin's Folk ... "‘Surely you do not think of returning to Erebor?’ said Thráin. ‘Not at my age,’ said Thrór. ‘Our vengeance on Smaug I bequeath to you and your sons. But I am tired of poverty and the scorn of Men. I go to see what I can find.’ He did not say where. He was a little crazed perhaps with age and misfortune and long brooding on the splendour of Moria in his forefathers’ days; or the Ring, it may be, was turning to evil now that its master was awake, driving him to folly and destruction. From Dunland, where he was then dwelling, he went north with Nár, and they crossed the Redhorn Pass and came down into Azanulbizar." The Lord of the Rings | Appendixes - III DURIN’S FOLK and those were the dwarf-lords of later day! The earlier, the kings of Moria, before the Durin VI (who died killed by the Balrog, Durin's Bane) may have been influenced by the power of the Ring they held to be more secluded and irrational. As we know the Rings though failed to dominate the minds of the Dwarves under Sauron's will still influenced the dwarf bearers corrupting them slowly: "The Dwarves indeed proved tough and hard to tame; they ill endure the domination of others, and the thoughts of their hearts are hard to fathom, nor can they be turned to shadows. They used their rings only for the getting of wealth; but wrath and an over-mastering greed of gold were kindled in their hearts, of which evil enough after came to the profit of Sauron. It is said that the foundation of each of the Seven Hoards of the Dwarf-kings of old was a golden ring; but all those hoards long ago were plundered and the Dragons devoured them, and of the Seven Rings some were consumed in fire and some Sauron recovered." Some of the dwarf kings may have become greedy, quarrelsome, selfish and this may have affected negatively their policies. We know relatively little about the kings of Moria before it's fall, in the centuries preceding there were only referenes to conflicst with Orcs who invaded the dwarven territory in Misty Mountains in the years 1300s of the Third Age, coincidentally when the Angmar realm arose under Witch-king far in the north! This was also one of the things I questioned, whether the Dwarves of Moria were ever invovled in Arnor's wars with Angmar? One wonders what the dwaven leaders did then.
No, but it is inspired by the Silmarils. The Hobbit was originally written to be outside of Tolkien's grand-high myth. But he couldn't help but take inspiration from it
It's interesting how Tolkien originally intended dwarves to be petty villains, but then it all changed after one idea: That they were a people longing to return to their homeland.
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Well the doors are just the craftsman and skills tradesman the master craftsman. Most people don't have any real money because the real money is World Bank currency which is pure gold and silver coins and a platinum bill. So what we do is we do trade in things that they actually have that's believable for them to actually honor did the contract with that we can trade to others for something else that we actually want.
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The dwarven race is my favourite one in middle earth. From durin the deathless to dain ironfoot, the dwarven civilisation has been particularly effective.
I thought the Dwarves weren't a race but a species of 7 races. Like 7 different house clans things.
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Wait till u see Amazon Dwarves LOL. They meased up big time with Black dwarves
It was the China, Rome, or America of Middle Earth.
That is so far off.
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The Dwarves were more of a service economy rather than a agricultural economy, and with thousands of years of refinement of forging and commercial power grew in power.
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Much as I like Gimli in the films and the excellent portrayal of John Rhys Davies, I feel his comedic asides, bromance with Legolas, and general stature kinda set the tone for the LOTR dwarves to be treated less seriously than the elves and humans. The Hobbit trilogy did a little bit better, but not my much and only with Thorin.
Much like the look at the Hobbits last time it’s great to see the Dwarven society looked at in further detail.
Yeah, I definitely agree, Dwarves definitely need a more serious and dramatically interesting representation. That being said, Gimli was still one half of my favourite exchange in the whole series:
"Never Thought I'd die side by side with an elf" "How about side by side with a friend?"
Brings a tear to my eye everytime without fail
The Hobbit trilogy did better in setting a serious tone for the Dwarves? You must be off your rocker. Thorin's company are nothing but gags to be had in that film, there is no depth to any of their characters
@@meduseld6610 Your memory is selective.
@@MagusMarquillin I agree that Gimli's character gets mostly reduced to comic relief gags, but the Hobbit's gags are far worse, bottom level humour most of the time
@@meduseld6610 Oh, I agree there's some bad attempts at physical comedy through the Hobbit, but I disagree there's no depth to any of their characters, particularly Thorin, Dwalin, Balin, Kili (not all of it works in his case) and Boufur all had great, dignified scenes. The attempt at fleshing out the dwarves was there, but they were being hampered by too many cooks making a haphazard mess, and many people only seem to remember Bombur bouncing down CGI orcs in his barrel.
They weren’t great at farming but mining was definitely their trade, and especially when they found erebor they would never be a problem for money again, thanks Wizards+Warriors
Erebor wasn't the only rich mines they find. There was also many other settlements like Nogrod, Belegost, Gundabad and to a lesser extent, the Blue Mountains and the Iron Hills. And none surpass the richers of Khazad-dum.
I've always just assumed that Dwarves were petravores, what with their obsession with digging stuff out of the earth... Why not eat the worthless earthstuff?
I'm kidding, if that weren't obvious.
@@The-Plaguefellow i think there is a universe setting where dwarves dig by eating the earth.
Always good to see a reference to Mim the Petty Dwarf. I enjoyed his scenes in "Children of Hurin" and "Silmarillion."
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Nice to see more of dwarves since they are so mysterious in the lore asides from Thorin and Co and Gimili. People have brought up a dwarf economy can't work like with all that gold they have that drwas dragons would like depreciate the value, which is the fantasy of it, but there can be a logic that can apply to make it work.
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How do you skip over the greatest Dwarven city, Khazad-dûm, and its relationship with the elves of Eregion?
Also Durin's Folk is another name just for the Longbeards, the clan founded by Durin the Deathless. The other Dwarven clans had their own fathers.
Yes that one part is interesting, Eregion and Moria relationship would no doubt include very lively exchange of both knowledge, skill and goods, the Elves of Eregion were also largely Noldor who themselves are quite skilled smiths and craftsmen, as well as masons and builders, (Eregion did have the great stone cities like Ost-in-Edhil) and roads and so on, the ruins of Eregion or what's left of them are seen even so late into Third Age when Fellowship passes through. Eregion Elves would also have I bet the agriculture needed to both sustain themselves and to trade the foodstuffs with the Dwarves (probably also elven realm of Lindon would play a part in the economic relations in that time!). One can imagine that Lindon would also provide some pearls for trade like the Elves of Falas before in First Age (though of course that's an assumption, we're ranginto into speculation here). I particularly like this line from Unfinished Tales:
" Both Elves and Dwarves had great profit from this association: so that Eregion became far stronger, and Khazad-dûm far more beautiful, than either would have done alone."
Also Eregion case provides another example of a great and warm personal friendship of elf lord Celebrimbor and dwarf craftsman Narvi.
@@fantasywind3923 So then really Khazad Dum and Eregion would be Dwarven and Elven super powers respectively, with Eregion not being not entirely reliant on Dwarf craftsmanship, as they had their own, but were greatly enriched by it nonetheless?
@@mattgrandich3977 I think so. Eregion was a realm of the powerful Noldor, High Elves who naturally not only build great civilization and culture but were also strong warriors. The Noldor craftsmen of Eregion probably aimed to surpass the skill of the past times the mighty realms of Beleriand, and maybe even Valinor itself! That was certainly a dream for Celebrimbor to reach the legendary height of skill that Feanor boasted (and that's why Sauron's teachings were so attractive to them), and Moria, Khazad-dum in that period of Second Age was also very powerful realm, in fact almos an empire. Going by texts in HoME:
“…for the Longbeards had spread southward down the Vales of Anduin and had made their chief ’mansion’ and stronghold at Moria; and also eastward to the Iron Hills, where the mines were their chief source of iron-ore. They regarded the Iron Hills, the Ered Mithrin, and the east dales of the Misty Mountains as their own land.” HoME XII, Peoples of Middle-earth, Of Dwarves and Men
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“It was a brief period in … the Second Age, yet for many lives of Men the Longbeards controlled the Ered Mithrin, Erebor, and the Iron Hills, and all the east side of the Misty Mountains as far as the confines of Lórien; while the Men of the North dwelt in all the adjacent lands as far south as the Great Dwarf Road that cut through the Forest (the Old Forest Road was its ruinous remains in the Third Age)….”
The Peoples of Middle-Earth, HoME Vol 12, Part 2, Ch 10, Of Dwarves and Men: Notes, Note 30
That period of early Second Age saw the flourishing of both elven and dwarven civilization. The trading and alliance with Elves, Men of Rhovanion would have made both Eregion and Khazad-dum prosper. Eregion would probably also have contacts with Lindon and the elven king Gil-galad would benefit indirectly from association. Moria was also a source of mithril, it's discovery in Second Age brought insane wealth (which also flowed through into Eregion, and in fact the Elves of Eregion decided to move in BECAUSE of the news of the discovery of this metal). Eregion's strength is difficult to assess as we have little information about it's inner workings, though it had at least one great city/stronghold of Ost-in-Edhil, they were quarrying for sone, building their own infrastructure, exchange of knowledge, skill and goods with the Dwarves would definitely benefit both sides. Even Fellowship near 5000 years later saw some ancient leftovers of ruins of Eregion, and used the ancient road the elves build for their traffic with the Dwarves. Legolas says he senses things within the stones of the land:
"'To the end of the journey - in the end,' said Gandalf. 'We cannot look too far ahead. Let us be glad that the first stage is safely over. I think we will rest here, not only today but tonight as well. There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there.'
'That is true,' said Legolas. 'But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them: Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago.'"
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"From Ost-in-Edhil, the city of the Elves, the highroad ran to the west gate of Khazad-dûm"
The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
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"'In Eregion the craftsmen of the Gwaith-i-Mírdain, the People of the Jewel-smiths, surpassed in cunning all that have ever wrought, save only Fëanor himself; and indeed greatest in skill among them was Celebrimbor, son of Curufin, ...'
The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
The loss of Eregion would be tragic, who can say how much wonders were lost forever:
"'Sauron used all his arts upon Celebrimbor and his fellow-smiths, who had formed a society or brotherhood, very powerful in Eregion, the Gwaith-i-Mírdain; but he worked in secret, unknown to Galadriel and Celeborn. Before long Sauron had the Gwaith-i-Mírdain under his influence, for at first they had great profit from his instruction in secret matters of their craft. So great became his hold on the Mírdain that at length he persuaded them to revolt against Galadriel and Celeborn and to seize power in Eregion; and that was at some time between 1350 and 1400 of the Second Age....
At last the attackers broke into Eregion with ruin and devastation, and captured the chief object of Sauron's assault, the House of the Mírdain, where were their smithies and their treasures. Celebrimbor, desperate, himself withstood Sauron on the steps of the great door of the Mírdain; but he was grappled and taken captive, and the House was ransacked.'
Unfinished Tales, Part 2, Ch IV, The History of Galadriel and Celeborn
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"[They] struck a good path. It looked to Frodo like the remains of an ancient road, that had once been broad and well planned, from Hollin to the mountain-pass.... Many of [the stones] looked to have been worked by hands, though now they lay tumbled and ruinous in a bleak, barren land."
An entire race that sorta takes the place of medieval craftsman and merchant classes, a rung of society that can only be supported by the basic labor of the rest of the population that allows them to specialize in a more specific field. Id' never really thought about them in that light before.
7:10 - Such a clever phrase for good times: "Ever cool was the friendship...."
Amazing production and artwork
The Dwarves are among my favorite races of Middle-Earth. This video shows them to be exquisite craftsmen as they are. I can’t wait to see the Battle of Erebor between Dale and Erebor vs the Easterlings and Mordor.
One of my favorite details from the War of the Ring is that Dain Ironfoot fell defending the body of King Brand in the battle before Erebor.
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job
*...AND MY AXE!*
_Because Gimli, son of Gloin, is a badass!_
*badaxe
Really looking forward to the economies of mordor and co. :) Great stuff.
First also, I love ur vids, on kng and on wnw
Nice work dude thanks
nice videos! would be nice to see some more the elder scrolls content. keep up the good work!
u have some amazing maps of middle earth, those are your creations or can i find them somewhere?
We created them ourselves. Thanks!
A dwarven trade caravan would be interesting
It would be cool to see Nogrod and Belegost depicted in a show. Or a video game where you could play as and race in the Second Age of middle earth. And be able to create your own town or city
Honestly I have been searching for this topic some time ago.
Love the Dwarves, loved this Video
What a great job!!
Great vid
i learned a lot of new words in this video dang
can you do a video on the flight of the noldor
Tolkien describes the dwarves as never being bald
I swear if the Orcs steampunk society wont be next I shall resurrect morgoth onto earth myself
It can all be sumerized as Khazad-Dûm make big mons blue mountains were first though....so "Mines" is the short sumerization
Please cover the Exosquad
I have a quick question. Will you be covering battles and events from Brandon Sanderson's works?
This channel should have millions of sub, I love this shit
So this is the fantasized medieval version of the Triple Alliance, am I correct? I like it! And I am also interested in this as well!
what's the Tripal Alliance
@@theawesomeman9821 it's an alliance made between three states against the common enemies, of course.
@@lerneanlion I know what an allience is I was just curious if you were referencing any allience in particular
@@theawesomeman9821 Not exactly.
ever going to cover battletech?
Please make videos on Gundam!
Their economy, is based on providing and making the finest quality of craftsmanship of whatever product or tool that a person orders. Well being professional and courteous at the same time.
Ha! A true umgak would never be able to stomach some good Stonebread! Much less some of Bugmans finest!
Oh sh*t, wrong universe.
But what about Aragorns tax policy?
He taxed the rich and fed the poor!
I like to imagine them also cultivating mushroom and maybe something like moss or mold farms underground to eat during times of hardship.
I have always been a dwarf fan since the D&D cartoon i think. I used to have the figure too.
Can you make a video about THE WHEEL OF TIME?
Very cool
Are you going to make Destiny videos too? Like the Battle of the Twilight Gap.
Good job w&w
Can you make a series for World of Warcraft please???
Please do a video about the Dwemer from Tamriel
Dwarves are awesome 😍
It's kinda double edged sword. It built a symbiotic relationship between the races and kinda force good relationship with one another. But it also make them very dependant to each others, if the mens stop providing, famine will ravaged the dwarves and if the dwarves do the same, mens will find themselves with poor tools and weaponry. It's great from one side but not so great from another.
That may have been indeed one of the factors in diminishment of the Dwarves of Moria in late Third Age. As we know in the beginning, since early days the Dwarves of Khazad-dum become powerful and had strong connections with all the local peoples, Elves of Eregion in Second Age and the Northmen of Rhovanion. This economic cooperation, plus the influx of dwarven refugees from Ered Luin (the Dwarves from two other clans that escaped to Moria after the turmoil of War of Wrath wrecked the dwarf cities of Nogrod and Belegost in Blue Mountains) then the Dwarves of Moria increased massively in numbers in time of prosperity, but steadily things got worse, Eregion was destroyed and it's people left or were destroyed, the Men of Vales of Anduin became the major providers (as well as Hobbits in later period before their crossing the mountains into Eriador) then the kingdom of Arnor would probably also be a source of food, but we know that in centuries preceding the fall of Moria the situation was so that already the Longbeards were diminishing:
"The Dwarves hid them-selves
in deep places, guarding their hoards; but when evil began to stir again and dragons reappeared, one by one their ancient treasures were plundered, and they became a wandering people. Moria for long remained secure, but its numbers dwindled until many of its vast mansions became dark and empty."
This period of decline no doubt would be also influenced by the neighboring peoples diminshment as well, the Hobbits mostly migrated west, Arnor during wars with Angmar was decimated until it fell in year 1974, and Moria itself fell soon after, when they discovered Balrog's hiding place:
"After the end of the First Age the power and wealth of Khazad-dûm was much
increased; for it was enriched by many people and much lore and craft when the ancient cities of Nogrod and Belegost in the Blue Mountains were ruined at the breaking of Thangorodrim. The power of Moria endured throughout the Dark Years and the dominion of Sauron, for though Eregion was destroyed and the gates of Moria were shut, the halls of Khazad-dûm were too deep and strong and filled with a people too numerous and valiant for Sauron to conquer from without. Thus its wealth remained long unravished, though its people began to dwindle.
It came to pass that in the middle of the Third Age Durin was again its
king, being the sixth of that name. The power of Sauron, servant of Morgoth, was then again growing in the world, though the Shadow in the Forest that looked towards Moria was not yet known for what it was. All evil things were stirring.
The Dwarves delved deep at that time, seeking beneath Barazinbar for _mithril_,
the metal beyond price that was becoming yearly ever harder to win. Thus they roused from sleep a thing of terror that, flying from Thangorodrim, had lain hidden at the foundations of the earth since the coming of the Host of the West: a Balrog of Morgoth. Durin was slain by it, and the year after Náin I, his son; and then the glory of Moria passed, and its people were destroyed or fled far away."
With the dwindling neighbors it would be harder and harder to secure enough supplies to feed the whole population, also the mithril the extremely rare and precious metal was the source of much their wealth.
@@fantasywind3923 i agree. Shutting the gates was a mistake. I would prefer to die along friends and with a trusty axe in hand. Also note why would you smith and make the greatest armurs and weapons just to let them get dust and rust. Or worse never use them...
I conclude it must be because the corrupting influence of dwarf rings gifted (or corrupted) by Sauron....
@@Josuegurrola that certainly could play a part, though in the Third Age Sauron had no Ring of his own the Seven Rings were made with his help and so they were corrupting, Sauron in Third Age actually also tried to reclaim the Seven and were're told of the Ring held by the Longbeards of Moria:
"Of this Ring something may be said here. It was believed by the Dwarves of Durin’s Folk to be the first of the Seven that was forged; and they say that it was given to the King of Khazad-dûm, Durin III, by the Elven-smiths themselves and not by Sauron, though doubtless his evil power was on it, since he had aided in the forging of all the Seven. But the possessors of the Ring did not display it or speak of it, and they seldom surrendered it until near death, so that others did not know for certain where it was bestowed. Some thought that it had remained in Khazad-dûm, in the secret tombs of the kings, if they had not been discovered and plundered; but among the kindred of Durin’s Heir it was believed (wrongly) that Thrór had worn it when he rashly returned there. What then had become of it they did not know. It was not found on the body of Azog.
None the less it may well be, as the Dwarves now believe, that Sauron by his arts had discovered who had this Ring, the last to remain free, and that the singular misfortunes of the heirs of Durin were largely due to his malice. For the Dwarves had proved untameable by this means. The only power over them that the Rings wielded was to inflame their hearts with a greed of gold and precious things, so that if they lacked them all other good things seemed profitless, and they were filled with wrath and desire for vengeance on all who deprived them. But they were made from their beginning of a kind to resist most steadfastly any domination. Though they could be slain or broken, they could not be reduced to shadows enslaved to another will; and for the same reason their lives were not affected by any Ring, to live either longer or shorter because of it. All the more did Sauron hate the possessors and desire to dispossess them.
It was therefore perhaps partly by the malice of the Ring that Thráin after some years became restless and discontented. The lust for gold was ever in his mind. At last, when he could endure it no longer, he turned his thoughts to Erebor, and resolved to go back there. He said nothing to Thorin of what was in his heart; but with Balin and Dwalin and a few others, he arose and said farewell and departed.
Little is known of what happened to him afterwards. It would now seem that as soon as he was abroad with few companions he was hunted by the emissaries of Sauron. Wolves pursued him, Orcs waylaid him, evil birds shadowed his path, and the more he strove to go north the more misfortunes opposed him. There came a dark night when he and his companions were wandering in the land beyond Anduin, and they were driven by a black rain to take shelter under the eaves of Mirkwood. In the morning he was gone from the camp, and his companions called him in vain. They searched for him many days, until at last giving up hope they departed and came at length back to Thorin. Only long after was it learned that Thráin had been taken alive and brought to the pits of Dol Guldur. There he was tormented and the Ring taken from him, and there at last he died."
-- Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, Part III: Durin's Folk
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"‘Surely you do not think of returning to Erebor?’ said Thráin. ‘Not at my age,’ said Thrór. ‘Our vengeance on Smaug I bequeath to you and your sons. But I am tired of poverty and the scorn of Men. I go to see what I can find.’ He did not say where. He was a little crazed perhaps with age and misfortune and long brooding on the splendour of Moria in his forefathers’ days; or the Ring, it may be, was turning to evil now that its master was awake, driving him to folly and destruction. From Dunland, where he was then dwelling, he went north with Nár, and they crossed the Redhorn Pass and came down into Azanulbizar."
The Lord of the Rings | Appendixes - III DURIN’S FOLK
and those were the dwarf-lords of later day! The earlier, the kings of Moria, before the Durin VI (who died killed by the Balrog, Durin's Bane) may have been influenced by the power of the Ring they held to be more secluded and irrational. As we know the Rings though failed to dominate the minds of the Dwarves under Sauron's will still influenced the dwarf bearers corrupting them slowly:
"The Dwarves indeed proved tough and hard to tame; they ill endure the domination of others, and the thoughts of their hearts are hard to fathom, nor can they be turned to shadows. They used their rings only for the getting of wealth; but wrath and an over-mastering greed of gold were kindled in their hearts, of which evil enough after came to the profit of Sauron. It is said that the foundation of each of the Seven Hoards of the Dwarf-kings of old was a golden ring; but all those hoards long ago were plundered and the Dragons devoured them, and of the Seven Rings some were consumed in fire and some Sauron recovered."
Some of the dwarf kings may have become greedy, quarrelsome, selfish and this may have affected negatively their policies.
We know relatively little about the kings of Moria before it's fall, in the centuries preceding there were only referenes to conflicst with Orcs who invaded the dwarven territory in Misty Mountains in the years 1300s of the Third Age, coincidentally when the Angmar realm arose under Witch-king far in the north! This was also one of the things I questioned, whether the Dwarves of Moria were ever invovled in Arnor's wars with Angmar? One wonders what the dwaven leaders did then.
It was a good video but deffo some mistakes for us that love dwarf lore and always like to hear new things
Is the Arkenstone of Thrain a Simaril? One of the Simaril was lost in the earth
The Arkenstone is not a silmaril
No, but it is inspired by the Silmarils. The Hobbit was originally written to be outside of Tolkien's grand-high myth. But he couldn't help but take inspiration from it
Oh, shit some first age stuff. I hope you guys cover the Wars of Beleriand eventually.
It's interesting how Tolkien originally intended dwarves to be petty villains, but then it all changed after one idea: That they were a people longing to return to their homeland.
Tought I was watching the epic history Channel for a second
But which came first for the Dwarfs? Agriculture or Mining?
10:27-11:40 What were your sources for this? The History of Middle Earth?
nice
Continue on the war of the ring
I thought they just drank really really thick beer.
Please make more warhammer content
Anyone knows the soundtrack used in this and other videos?
Is to build one Roman mile of a real Roman road cutting down to the bedrock and moving forward every 10 months after you become proficient and every 20 months to 10 months depending on attention to detail and terrain.
Kings and generals when will you be doing SC Fi videos?
Guys, I understand you do immense research on all you topics so pronunciation of names and words should not be exempt from it
Tolkien placed great value in how words and names sounded, agonised over it. They are as important as the meaning as he believed the sound had the ability to evoke the meaning
Your pronunciation of "Ah-loo-ee" outstrips the infamous Martin Shaw! Hahaha. Perhaps hand a copy of the Silmarillion to your narrator as there's a guide for the words in the back
Is it just me being an idiot or is he saying dorves or dorfes or something :S
hi guys for old players can we get the free stuff as well?
Everyone always puts elves on top but I'm a dwarf man myself :)!
I still cannot forgive what those dwarven did to Thingol.
The Silmaril had such a corrupting influence on both the noble races 😢
Also, the dawrves who had the rings of Sauron could multiply their wealth by the power of the rings -the seven rings-
I believe the Dwarf Mîm is pronounced like "meme", the name has the accent over the I, and I heard it pronounced like that in an audiobook.
In reference to the ad. Vaping and smoking is bad for you. You shouldn't be breathing in any smoke at all. Plus you're ruining your brain your body keeps growing until you're 28 and that's your permanent memory of your brain after that that short term memory after 28. So you want to wait till you're after 28, because then you're legally an adult. And your individual at 36. Individuals are enough worldly experience to make your own intellectual and proper choices in the matters. And you can go against syndicate groups as long as you're not endangering yourself and others.
How about you guys speak about the Ramayana and Mahabharata
So Dwarves were given food if they were to let a human Dalish person become a apprentice to a Dwarf Smith? Interesting
"Nonetheless they will have need of wood"
Greetings.
Well the doors are just the craftsman and skills tradesman the master craftsman. Most people don't have any real money because the real money is World Bank currency which is pure gold and silver coins and a platinum bill. So what we do is we do trade in things that they actually have that's believable for them to actually honor did the contract with that we can trade to others for something else that we actually want.
always like the dwarves because of there good relationship with men and elves .
Because they dig deep.
Maybe too deep....
We need more elder scrolls
rock and stone
Have a comment for the algorithm
“Dorf”
I thought that they ate nothing but stone and drank dust or sand sifted from gravel.
Dam........ NOT First
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You ignored the greatest Dwarven fortress of them all. Boatmurdered
I'm 5
I don't get why some people associate Tolkien's dwarves with racism.
i absolutely love these videos, but i wish that the narrator took the time to learn the true pronunciation of all the names
Idc bout economies I want battles!
Now Amazon tarnishes the lore
Dorfs.
Hes doing it again. What are doorfs?? Does he mean dwarves, the last video it was sherfs??? Weird by the end of the video he says it correctly???
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