You Aren’t Last Hitting Correctly - Dota 2 Fundamentals (Episode 13)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2022
- BSJ explaining how to make your cs way better
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I havent played a single game for 4 years. Now i got the itch again and back to bsj videos. Last hitting mechanics,map control, playing around vision/enemy vision have not changed. But man do i feel like making fun of myself when playing invoker. My timings are also way off with new things added to the map
I actually did this the moment I started playing this game, because I felt like being able to last hit more with it, while having no idea why. Seeing and explaination about this 4 years later makes me really happy :D
Even now, after 4 years there is a chance. GET OUT while there is still a chance!!!
The difference now is that there is an option that lets you repeat rightclick automatically by holding rightclick, which reduces the variance of swingtime compared to spam clicking yourself.
I've been doing the spam stop/rightclick to CS for years too, but now its even stronger by allowing yourself to effectively click 10 times a second just by holding rightclick, thats the reason this video is being made
@@oblivescence5861 thats not new i am using this since there are bounty runes and since then i cs like that
how would you even know of this when you were a complete beginner? I smell bullshido
@@undyingsnetherregions I had a lot of trouble with all the different attack speeds/animations. Delaying helped me to actually get cs.
Been doing this for at least 3-4 years...I thought this was common knowledge at this point lmao but good stuff, auto right click repeat master-race
So if I get this right:
1. Right click a creep, and hold the mouse down to continously attack it
2. Spam S or Stop key to stop your attack animation until you get the timing right
BSJ has a small lingo mistake in here. The time it takes for the attack to start is called attack point. Backswing is the useless part of the animation after you hit which can be canceled by giving a new command.
Purge would be proud.
Ohhh ok I was like what is this noob trying to tell us here.. thanks now I understand the video.
You have a small lingo mistake as well. The time it takes for the attack to occur is called Frontswing. Attack point is the point at which the attack occurs/the projectile is released. Also, backswing cannot be canceled, only the animation. You still have to wait for your backswing to finish before you can start your next frontswing.
@@5chneemensch138 yea or windup, is what i've always heard it called.
@@5chneemensch138 Someone's used the wc3 map editor before :P
o probably watch bsj since 2016 or 2017, and always hated this tip to attack with A because I used the mechanic in this video and felt so much essential to me
Anyone else remember when BSJ was roasting a coachee for doing this exact thing? I remember.
Nice character development
Was it the pump faking luna?
Been doing this for years. It's just as op as quick cast.
lots of love for your efforts to make these vids.
ive tried this. I'm not sure of the balance. I feel like i still need the attck more. like moving hitting moving hitting when farming camps for example. that doesnt work very well eithout attack move. How much do you use aclick in lane still?
Oh this is actually awesome I’m definitely gonna use this
For some reason repeatidly clicking does not restart my hero's attack. They just continue autoattacking. Is there some third setting i need to change?
right click to attack or to deny ?
which one is better and why
How about doing the drill in demo hero, that way you could buy ur starting items and get used to the "true damage"?
I am the last hitting like that for 7+ years, not sure if that is something new out there.
Another skill I didn't know I needed!
Thank you. im in low immortal and this helps me a LOT as a carry.
Reallu helpful! Thanks!
Any tips for mouse dpi settings or camera settings? Currently i play fps game with 800 dpi, when I play dota i use 2000 dpi and it feels so fast, i used to play with 3200 dpi when actively playing. Maybe some tips?
What about the option "disable autoattack when stop is held" ?
Hi ty for the vid.
Try to avoid LH while stepping on a clif ( seen near the end ) but most importantly practice LHing in ONLINE bots games even without bots or alone ( ex custom lobby ), the game behaves differently you can see it in this vid at the top right corner it says like 200fps and 0ms; you are fighting for the fractions of a second the delay has to be part of your technique , don't think of 25ms but about being online in an imperfect flow vs offline in a perfect stream sim.
I have techniques that don't work on line. What you're doing in the vid I call "The Rapper", and I do it in two different ways: I have "Attack / Attack Ground' bind on Mouse Wheel Up, just by changing the turning speed of the MWUp to mach the hero animation it can be achieved and with a great degree of control, as an extra I also have stop on Mouse Wheel Down which complements as necessary as is far more elegant that it seams.
For the tower deny the Rapper is king but for general CSing I recommend what I call "Fat Pedal and Whip" ( as in keeping your foot to the max on the gas pedal), I have Move also bind on the Mouse I generally use what most people use for Sensitivity Up with a piece of covered Double Sided Tape so that I can press it with a phalanx and it is also on auto repeat (can be done with anything that spams the keys like a macro in the mouse soft). So... while hodling Move like your life depends on it you vary the distance of the cursor from the hero's feet to your target ( this distance is really important ), you will naturally move around and make many turns ( a super adv tip is imagine the where the enemy cursor is if you get the feeling you can even confound your opponent and make your self harder to click, it doesn't work vs everyone but thats the ultimate goal for moving constantly ), then the moment you want to CS, deny you hold attack + move simultaneously in a whip motion, the attack will take precedence, on some heroes you will need to release Move but the idea is that the pressing Down Attack ( and optionally release Move ) happens as the very start of the Whip, the Whip will always have Attack key down for the whole duration, after the CSing hit left the chamber release attack and return to dancing.
Yes there is turn rate to account, yes it is more complex but is far more natural and it simulates what you need to do most of the time.
Man, this whole time I doing it wrong. Thanks bsj this improves my last hit a lot
banana sama, is the option toggle autoattack automatically any good ?
Having "Right click allies to attack" is so crippling for me because sometimes i will right click on an ally instead of ground and my hero will try to attack instead of moving.
never had that problem, just try to not lose focus of your hero and keep holding right click to move and kite nonstop
just check "to deny"
where should I go to get that CS scoreboard on the upper far right of bsj's screen? I'm one of those who needs visual representation of how much I'm actually able to do. :/
What about "attack to deny"?
discovered this feature, 2 months ago. 60% of the game I played enemy mid laner always telling my teammates that I am smurfing and they should report me.
Better for you, you will get more mmr if the system thinks you are smurfing.
Doubt
Question do you finish your attack by realease stop or righ click command ? Ty for the help. Nice guide.
Releasing stop obviously. As you can see when you hit stop it tries to instantly attack again.
People who play Ursa are the kind of people who put Gravy on Ice Cream
Bro I just tried vanilla icecream with some brown onion gravy. Its good🤤
@@mrlee9213 tffff
@@alfonsosierra406 it was good until the gravy coagulated
This is so funny, I'm coming from the moba HoN and this is how it is by default, I'm already so good with this its been hard to swap to a stop a, now I can go back to normal
holding to move is such quality of life btw
No you fuck up a lot
whats a good cs per minute?
I changed the settings but I still dont understand how you do it? when i press right mouse my hero just attacks. how do you do the spaz
HOLD the right click and then spam stop key.
I already deranked since the time you said Bristleback was the hot shit carry, this better be good
I think he forgot to mention that you need to play like him as well XD
He did add a disclaimer that you need shops that give you stacks. I feel like in pubs at my level he is a better pos 3.
I just had a game with BB as offlane and solo carried my team (>90k damage) lol. Disclaimer: I'm a very low rank...
thank you for usefull tips 😍😍
this makes me want to eat crunchy green grapes
So many settings in dota like this I am not aware of man
thank you sir, this was very useful to me
This was the way to last hit since dota 1 / warcraft 3. It stopped since dota 2 allowed S button to stop autoattack, right?
I did this before, the reason I stopped doing it is because you can't move your hero! everytime you accdentally right clicked an ally your hero fucking stops!
That will get you killed when you could escape, or let enemy escaped when you had the kill !
Use right-click: to deny
What does he means with heroes that has "wind up"? my english is not that good help
Kinda confusing, I replayed a couple times to try and understand what's the new trick I should be using... Turns out this is exactly what I've done for years.
I should have watched that one much earlier... I am training it for 1 day and got so good results omg.
Thank You! Former crusader, current herald :( this single handedly improved my CS 10 fold!!
This needs 1 million views
Really work
So you dont use A click anymore?
best youtuber ever!
Turned on right click allies to attack, turned on auto repeat right mouse, it still isnt working for me. Any ideas as to why?
use "to deny"
Now i dunno how to hit a enemy hero..., should I "A" attack, or right click attack. I guess im getting worse at this =/
No ill intent, but Purge Gamers made a guide on this about creep time windows
@/bsj /Thank you for reminding me to check my key bindings! My idiot self had somehow managed to delete the cancel current action key. Weirdly enough my last hitting just improved in seconds...I'm going to head back to my guardian trash corner now but thank you. 😅
Also having good ping matters a lot
Hi BSJ in your previous last hitting video you mentioned we do A S A because if we right click we could misclick and move closer to the enemy which can be detrimental for ranged heroes sometimes. When using this method sometimes i click the ground and keep moving forward, what can i do to correct this.
Did you figure out the answer to it? I imagine we still have to use A and then spam S? I haven't been playing in a while so didn't get to try it out but I hope you have been successful with it
You hold down right click, not spam it. Just realized myself. lol
Effective for drow
Wait... Did BSJ actually just find this out? Been doing that since frickin heroes of newerth xD
oh i BEEN doing this haha. also really good for baiting a last hit
still good video though for everyone
What additional setting is needed for it to continuously attack the target? I have Right Click Ally to Attack and AutoRepeat RightMouse both set like in the video, yet I right click on an enemy and press the stop button, and the hero (Necro, Jug, whoever) does not attack again.
you have to hold down the right click while constantly applying the stop command
Got both settings still cant att like that
Ok I am not as bad as I thought, I learned something in the last 3k hours of dota xd
"attack attack attack attack attack"
I'm almost completely sure that people used this "new' mechanic even in Warcraft 3 days
Yes but no, the difference is that the option let you to "hold" the right click and the game will detect it, while before you needed to spam click the creep and spam the S key now you only need to spam the S key
Im doing this for years. Thought it was automatic lol😂
you dont really have to spam the S button hold > release > attack makes it easier to do it right and its not that obvious for the enemy to know what are you up to
Doesn't work
@@Tezla0 you probably dont have the option enabled in settings
Question: Misclicking will move your hero out of position and into danger. How to solve that ?
I am thinking about this too,because i use "A" click instead of this special setting to right click mouse. I think could be ok to use it on the laning stage, and after disable it. For example on tinker i turn off auto attack after laning stage
you spam "stop" hotkey so you won't move too much, you'll have a few tries to adjust your aim before you actually move a bit out of position. But as you train it you won't have to worry about misclicking
Practice
Not misclick?
use right click: Denies instead of right click: Attack, this way the hero won't try to attack creeps when its hp is not deniable
You missed a creep from the first wave hahahaha
It's frontswing. Great video tho!
Just realized this now ? PPl been doing this since allstars.
So I used to last hit like this but when bsj said in another video to use A click for denies I was stupid and actually listened
Moral of the story sometimes doing what feels best and makes solid sense to you is just fine no need to listen to Brandon fake news James
pretty simple 3k stuff
this works on sniper but im not sure its worth the carpel tunnel
i feel this...
I've been doing this for years lol
Man stopped playing since 2020. Im 50 games in and still not being able to last hit efficiently like the old times. I guess im getting older for real. Hoping i can improve sooner.
The auto right attack doesnt seems to work for me, I need to have other option activated?
To deny option
@@paquibotlouis2002 I set both of them, still is the same as before, just the attack on ally creepa work
@@claudiopereira5163 it will attack if is deniable, otherwise it will follow the unit
@@paquibotlouis2002 yeah I know, that works fine, Im talking about the right click "spam"
@@claudiopereira5163 auto repeat right click option - u just hold right click then spamming your stop key
Basically this is basically a basic BSJ video
MAN YOU'RE GOOD, AND YES, WE SKIP THE TURN AROUND AND AIMING DELAY SO WE JUST SHOOT AND THAT'S IT. GREAT MAN TNKS A LOT!!!
im last hitting this way for years
I don't do this I just feel them. Can't last hit on early though
What key do you guys use for stop?
my is T
Z
This is actually worse for me. You get tired of pressing S and if u are a bit late to spam it, its easy to fck up. It doesnt remove the attack point, it can if you're lucky, but many time u press S just before u need to launch an attack, and your attack point (animation) reset.
Yeah I'm not a fan either. I just attack a creep and spam hold without having to hold the mouse button down
Spaz attack… 2022
How is this better than just timing the A press? Is it because you might already be in the *start up* of an attack and letting go of S would be faster than initiating an attack?
more or less
But you cannot be in backswing if the attack hasn't happened. If anything this tip saves a fraction of frontswing animation.
backswing is the after-attack, this clown baj is alrdy giving misinformation..
but u get the gist, u r putting urself alrdy in atk animation by spamming rclick..
also anyone who turns his back on creeps before last hit is just dumb coz u r putting turnrate in formula of ur tot atk tjme, instead of just starting with the animation.
@@FrostArchon Yeah Backswing is wrong but also frontswing and backswing are stupid terms in general. What I should have said is that you might already be in the *start up* of an attack, and therefore can just complete the start up from that point to CS as oppose to having to go through the entirety of a *start up*. Instead of backswing we also might say "recovery"
it's much easier to cs when you have 200fps unlike my 15 😳 from a work laptop
auto attack on never?
TIL im already last hitting like a pro player all along
He discovered a "new" (old) way to cs :D
why not right-click: to deny option?
that option is just awful, if and allied creep that is barely >50% hp is losing hp and you try to spam right clic it to deny it ASAP, you'll start to follow the creep and put yourself out of position. Same thing if you think that it's in deny range and it has 51%, you'll go forward and good players will punish you.
@@michael-c. so only start denying when it's below 50%? that's quite a big window don't you think?
@@michael-c. also, if you know that there is a possibility that you will move forward because the creep is slightly above deny range, then you can preemptively press stop???
@@plosslaw you can only begin to deny when the creep is >50%. That’s why the option to right click deny is so bad
@@Kvic0843 same reply I gave the other guy
I have been last hitting like that in the last 10 years. It is funny that BSJ just realized this obvious, easy trick. When he insisted on "A click - S - A click" type last hitting, I was like how the fck is he even 9k MMR. This is bullshit. Now he finally learned the right way.
You're 2k mmr at most with that attitude.
Yeah, the A/S method was too slow to fake lasthits or denies, key + clic was way faster always.
coz hes a clown. hes using some of the terms incorrectly 🤡
These goddamn zoomers are overshadowing us
This video its helping everyone except BSJ. Today was shameful
Is this not the technique since dota 1?
I'm glad that I did that before this video. I didn't like the other mechanic to last hit...
was gonna watch the video bu then i realize you are talking about this 10 year old technique xD lmao
Guys doesn't matter if your team is spazzing out like mason, atleast that cs game is on point.
Cmon man last hitting is bad but it’s decision making that’s the main problem surely?
Oh, I have seen others use this in my lane and I usually take advantage of this by hitting them for free. Given the tradeoff for a hit and timing it correctly, I would honestly try to be better at the latter
if they're doing it to a creep that isn't close to death then they're doing it wrong
i dont understand, so bsj is saying that in midlaning situations is better to be still rightclick-stopping for like 3 seconds one creep instead of moving and a-clicking? i thought that was actually what youre suppose to avoid
In midlane you have a ton of situations: ones, where you need reaggro and move a lot, ones where you just need to rightclick wave as fast as possible, and ones where at the moment lane is static, and your goal is to have LH/deny earlier than enemy concentrating on every microseconds, BSJ talking about this in this video, so you can just outplay enemy with this shit
Instead of "for like 3 seconds" it is precisely for less than 1 second before it needs to be last hit or denied. Those 2 seconds make all the difference and are what delineates bad positioning and min-maxing last hit damage.
ok guys thanks for the comments, i just though that spamming right click stop was a really old way to lasthit
what is "a stop a"? my a is deny and my s is cancel.
btw thanks for the video. I have 1000+ hours on dota and never knew about the spam that you showed
I think thats one of the techniques that dont make the game better. I dont know, but it doesnt feel good; it has nothing to do with experience, learning the animations, reading your oponent... Its just spamming :-D
took first last hit