You probably didn't know but her pokemon are competitively built with the perfect nature, and EV and IV values plus the held items and sometimes hidden abilities
No wonder I struggled so hard. I managed to beat her the first time but the frustration I felt afterwards was enough for me not to touch the game after that.
her team is fully competitively trained, even her garchomp has a counter to ice type moves which i didn’t know going into this fight, bring a fairy type o.o
Mirror coat on her Milotic was actually pretty genius. Her triggering Milotic's Marvel Scale to increase defense, plus scald which can inflict burn to lower your attack, strongly incentivizes you to use special moves instead. And of course, that's exactly what she wants. 😈
Bro, I had my Dialga fully buffed op on X items, underleveled on my first run. 6x sp atk. Roar of time didn't do the trick. Never felt a mirror coat hit my soul harder than that one. Conceded, leveled up and challenged again slightly overleveled.
Fighting Cynthia made me want a Milotic with Mirror Coat. Do you guys have any idea how long it took me to get a male Corsola? The amount of hours I wasted until I finally just traded for it...
Damn, she destroyed me as a kid and now she's destroying everyone else after I've grown up. Now imagine this fight without fairy types and no friendship mechanics that tough out damage, that's what 10 year old me had to deal with lol
To be fair this game compensate by giving her competitive set and perfect IV and Ev soooo that garchomp is a menace. It's also holding a yache berry so first Ice type move may not ohko unless you are boosted or do enough damage. Imagine the horror if they gave Cynthia the power of friendship aka affection boost too.
Imagine playing this back when OG games came out when there was no fairy types and no modern exp share, so more likely than not, most ppls teams were way underleveld against her team which had ev training and perfect IVs. Look forward to see your battles against her post game battles. I hear her 2nd rematch is pretty bonkers.
@@IexistIguessidk What I meant was imagine fihgitng Cynthia in the original DP without the modern exp share and foreknowledge of her pokemon. In the original Diamond Pear and Platinum, exp share was a single item that you gave to a pokemon and that pokemon would get exp. Modern exp-share shares exp to all your party automatically, allowing the rest of your team be closer in level with each other. Back in the originals, only pokemon who participated in the battle or were holding the exp share would get xp. So what would end up happening is when you get to the elite 4 and cynthia, only your most used pokemon(s) would be any where close to the Cynthia's level cause they would be getting the majority of the xp, while the rest of the team were underleveld. So you would need to do some good ol'fashioned grinding to get the rest of your party up to par in level with cynthia's. So in that way, the original fights were harder in the sense that a lot of people's teams were underleveled as well as most people not knowing what was on cynthia's team. Now with the remakes, almost everyone knows who cynthia's pokemon are and try to make a team to fight her, as well as the modern xp share keeping their whole party close in levels, making the game overall less grindy than it originally was. Also Fairy type exist, so Spirit tomb now has a weakness. To compensate for this fact, the people doing the remakes reworked the entire elite 4 and cynthia to have more competitive move sets as well as improved AI. Like in the remakes, Garchomp is always sent out last, so any Garchomp counters people have prepared have to fight their way through her entire team before reaching Garchomp. In short, imagine fighting cynthia while your pokemons are like in the mid to late 50s and maybe lower 60s for your primary pokemon. Underleveled.
You did it cleaner than me! I snatched Cynthia by running out her Earthquake and Dragon Claw PPs lmao. I'd send out Empoleon or Jirachi to bait her into using Earthquake, then immediately switch out to Staraptor to dead the Earthquakes/negate her Swords Dances with Intimidate. Rinse and repeat til she ran out of Earthquakes, when all she had left were swords dance and poison jab, Dialga and Jirachi took no damage. Got her ass with a Blizzard
Amazing vid, bro! I love the hype, genuine enjoyment and excitement you put into every video you do! I felt you were humbled by that first defeat and had to come back with a new approach. It was nice to see that even veterans can get blocked. Great job, bro!
@@perrycarters3113late but was it the same guy who killed the garchomp thinking he won but the rough skin killed his gyarados loosing the battle and he had to redo it?
You definitely forgot she had one swords dance for her Garchomp and you literally only one level above it. Of course that thing is going to outspeed yours lol
On Pokémon Platinum Champion Cynthia is even worst when she have that Togekiss on the team, but then i realized she use Togekiss if you battle her again😂👌
got to love the fact that he says are you scared since she swapped not even 10 seconds after he swapped to have a type advantaged it just didn't work for her and she still would had won if you didn't heal lol i know other did but i was able to beat her first try just took a bit of luck and friendship but boy do i hate that friendship bs i'd rather lose 200 times than win because my Pokémon didn't want me to worry i am not a little kid i wish i could had turn that feature off. too many youtuber and streamers only won thanks to that its a shame they brought it back
also i beat her on the first try on both games. BD team: Infernape, Staraptor, Floatzel, Luxray, Roserade, Hippowdon. SP team: Torterra, Scizor, Magmortar, Luminion, Togekiss, Glaceon
If I'm being completely honest, the old gen version of the theme was better simply because the sharpness of the 8-bit type noises made her fight that much more terrifying if that makes sense
Would the togekiss lived a poison jab just asking cause I know this garchomp has poison jab to deal with fairy types but I also know togekiss is fairly bulky.
Cynthia wrecking players just like she did 15 years ago? You love to see it.
Hello there...
"You love to see it." Unless it's YOU that she is fighting!
yep she still clappin cheeks all these years later... until you finally clap her cheeks... 😎
You probably didn't know but her pokemon are competitively built with the perfect nature, and EV and IV values plus the held items and sometimes hidden abilities
No wonder I struggled so hard. I managed to beat her the first time but the frustration I felt afterwards was enough for me not to touch the game after that.
@@Twinklethefox9022 I dare you to do phase 3.
her team is fully competitively trained, even her garchomp has a counter to ice type moves which i didn’t know going into this fight, bring a fairy type o.o
Mirror coat on her Milotic was actually pretty genius.
Her triggering Milotic's Marvel Scale to increase defense, plus scald which can inflict burn to lower your attack, strongly incentivizes you to use special moves instead.
And of course, that's exactly what she wants. 😈
When she broke out mirror coat after all of that I legit laughed out loud. Lol.
@@TrAnMu At the moment, She brought her Milotic I didn't doubt she use Mirror Coat. Only pros knows her true intentions 😂
Bro, I had my Dialga fully buffed op on X items, underleveled on my first run. 6x sp atk. Roar of time didn't do the trick. Never felt a mirror coat hit my soul harder than that one.
Conceded, leveled up and challenged again slightly overleveled.
Fighting Cynthia made me want a Milotic with Mirror Coat. Do you guys have any idea how long it took me to get a male Corsola? The amount of hours I wasted until I finally just traded for it...
Damn bro that almost hit you full force irl . Like fr damn@@indicatorbeatbox
When I saw Garchomp get the swords dance off, a tear fell down my face lmao
Just one swordsman is lethal
Damn, she destroyed me as a kid and now she's destroying everyone else after I've grown up.
Now imagine this fight without fairy types and no friendship mechanics that tough out damage, that's what 10 year old me had to deal with lol
To be fair this game compensate by giving her competitive set and perfect IV and Ev soooo that garchomp is a menace. It's also holding a yache berry so first Ice type move may not ohko unless you are boosted or do enough damage. Imagine the horror if they gave Cynthia the power of friendship aka affection boost too.
@@scarletrose8766garchomp toughed it out so Cynthia won’t get mad! *throw the switch away*
Cynthia, giving a new generation of players MEGA SHINKA PTSD.
She is known as "The God of pokemon champions" for a reason!
"Please don't outspeed!"
Dude really thought he was gonna outspeed a Garchomp.
The cope was real 😭
Imagine playing this back when OG games came out when there was no fairy types and no modern exp share, so more likely than not, most ppls teams were way underleveld against her team which had ev training and perfect IVs. Look forward to see your battles against her post game battles. I hear her 2nd rematch is pretty bonkers.
Wait I am a bit confused. Do you mean imagine fighting this Cynthia in the old style? Because back in DPPT she just had perfect IVs.
@@IexistIguessidk What I meant was imagine fihgitng Cynthia in the original DP without the modern exp share and foreknowledge of her pokemon. In the original Diamond Pear and Platinum, exp share was a single item that you gave to a pokemon and that pokemon would get exp. Modern exp-share shares exp to all your party automatically, allowing the rest of your team be closer in level with each other. Back in the originals, only pokemon who participated in the battle or were holding the exp share would get xp. So what would end up happening is when you get to the elite 4 and cynthia, only your most used pokemon(s) would be any where close to the Cynthia's level cause they would be getting the majority of the xp, while the rest of the team were underleveld. So you would need to do some good ol'fashioned grinding to get the rest of your party up to par in level with cynthia's. So in that way, the original fights were harder in the sense that a lot of people's teams were underleveled as well as most people not knowing what was on cynthia's team.
Now with the remakes, almost everyone knows who cynthia's pokemon are and try to make a team to fight her, as well as the modern xp share keeping their whole party close in levels, making the game overall less grindy than it originally was. Also Fairy type exist, so Spirit tomb now has a weakness. To compensate for this fact, the people doing the remakes reworked the entire elite 4 and cynthia to have more competitive move sets as well as improved AI. Like in the remakes, Garchomp is always sent out last, so any Garchomp counters people have prepared have to fight their way through her entire team before reaching Garchomp.
In short, imagine fighting cynthia while your pokemons are like in the mid to late 50s and maybe lower 60s for your primary pokemon. Underleveled.
@@ramennoodlelover Well that is how I experienced her.
She's more complex now than she was 10+ years ago. Only thing holding us up is the power of friendship
Poor Sylvester had an even fight (damage wise) , then got bodied immediately
You did it cleaner than me! I snatched Cynthia by running out her Earthquake and Dragon Claw PPs lmao. I'd send out Empoleon or Jirachi to bait her into using Earthquake, then immediately switch out to Staraptor to dead the Earthquakes/negate her Swords Dances with Intimidate. Rinse and repeat til she ran out of Earthquakes, when all she had left were swords dance and poison jab, Dialga and Jirachi took no damage. Got her ass with a Blizzard
I had revives n a driblim wit destiny bond 😮💨😂
Amazing vid, bro! I love the hype, genuine enjoyment and excitement you put into every video you do! I felt you were humbled by that first defeat and had to come back with a new approach. It was nice to see that even veterans can get blocked. Great job, bro!
If rough skin put you just a bit lower, the recoil would have killed you, and you would have lost.
Saw this happen to another guy with a Gyarados.
@@perrycarters3113late but was it the same guy who killed the garchomp thinking he won but the rough skin killed his gyarados loosing the battle and he had to redo it?
I really hope pokemon keeps this level of difficulty for futures titles
Pokemon shield was too easy. Currently playing violet. Heard the champ was a joke so can't say I'm worried 😂.
@@wonder777warrior6 The champ sets out their ace last and it has hazard moves😭😭
It's all fun and games until she sends out her level 88 Garchomp
The Horror lol
@@samifranco5541 I wasn't expecting that to happen 😭😭😭😭
Wait
That mirror coat
💀
You definitely forgot she had
one swords dance for her Garchomp and you literally only one level above it. Of course that thing is going to outspeed yours lol
Cynthia was the toughest challenge up to this point in Pokemon and in Arceus they really decided to bring her theme back
On Pokémon Platinum Champion Cynthia is even worst when she have that Togekiss on the team, but then i realized she use Togekiss if you battle her again😂👌
She switch it up the first stage was a warmup stage 2nd and 3rd battle yeah....
I'm still glad I beat Cynthia itemless and at or below level. Really difficult but fun fight!
Wait until u rematch her ,u will probably get to know what is hell stage 🤣
SHE'S A D E A M O N !!!!! 😅
quoting Jaden from Jaden animations: his Garchomp was created by the devil himself and even he fears what he created
I feel now and days.. people don't understand fighting her for the first time not knowing her team was a pain
I wasn't well versed in searching for info or checking out YT when playing DP back then... Go bodied so hard I had to rethink life 😂😂😂
Babymode Cynthia makes the piano even more terrifying
🤣people went crazy when battling with her.so funny🤣 were you choose the great nature or ability to your pokemon?
i mean you asked for a crit...shame it wasn't for you XD
4 turns of freeze bro lol. She knew it was your second time and felt bad
She's a true monster. I had to use Perish Song cheese on Kricktune to beat her Garchomp
got to love the fact that he says are you scared since she swapped not even 10 seconds after he swapped to have a type advantaged it just didn't work for her and she still would had won if you didn't heal lol i know other did but i was able to beat her first try just took a bit of luck and friendship but boy do i hate that friendship bs i'd rather lose 200 times than win because my Pokémon didn't want me to worry i am not a little kid i wish i could had turn that feature off. too many youtuber and streamers only won thanks to that its a shame they brought it back
You can *technically* turn it off, using herbal medicine to make them like you less
Rematch 2 Cynthia: You thought this was over?
also i beat her on the first try on both games.
BD team:
Infernape, Staraptor, Floatzel, Luxray, Roserade, Hippowdon.
SP team:
Torterra, Scizor, Magmortar, Luminion, Togekiss, Glaceon
Garchomp said fuck your emotions on battle 4 to son goku.
Tfw everyone but Roshi gets outsped and hit by a super-effective from Cynthia's Garchomp.
If I'm being completely honest, the old gen version of the theme was better simply because the sharpness of the 8-bit type noises made her fight that much more terrifying if that makes sense
to be honest, the friendship stuff is so bullshit i hate it in new gens, makes the games so much easier
I’m playing bd right now pray for me
My team for fighting cynthea was infernape roserade gyarados honchcrow clefable garchomp I had two flying types because of honchcrow has mean look
lmao hahaha
if only you revived Angel and her against Garchomp the first try
Would the togekiss lived a poison jab just asking cause I know this garchomp has poison jab to deal with fairy types but I also know togekiss is fairly bulky.
@@scarletrose8766
yeah. i said that because HIS Togekiss took hits like a champ
I just got the remake I beat her the first time I fought her but every time after has been a struggle trying different teams
You cannot run from a trainer battle!