That tip with adjusting the tire pressure is gold! I only have a singlespeed and can't be bothered to change the crank and chain every time I want to alter the intensity.
you could also try throwing a fistful of sand into the bearings / inner races of the roller mechanism....i reckon that'd do the trick of adding resistance too 🤣
A very good advice video. One that I needed. Ok, but wait, wait, wait, you had the “Spinners” “Ain’t No Price On Happiness” playing in the background? Wow! Very cool. I’m all ears now!
My Tacx Rollers hold a special place in my heart, they are just so much fun. I owned my rollers for 3 years and rode they 3-4 times a week. This year I invested in a smart trainer and I am now training harder with Zwift.
Love riding the endless 15 inch road! Glad to hear you refer to trainers as contraptions... BUT, you need to dive into small diameter rollers that offer resistance based upon physics, those free spinning 3-4inch things almost always turn newby's off of rollers, do not give the ride feel of the road, or give realworld workouts. Kreitler Dynomites are a lifetime purchase and worth every penny! Love the content!
Rollers are cool. The thing that has stopped me from getting a trainer is the setup. Rollers are plug-and-play and are more portable. I know my next purchase will be for my bike.
Over the years I have owned and used all kinds of indoor bike trainers mainly for can't ride outdoors due to rain/snow weather and/or time constraints. You really need to have multiple bikes and invest in some good cycling clothes to do only outdoor riding year around. All the needed outdoor gear can cost as much or more than a good set of rollers? Injury from outdoor riding mtb and getting hit by cars caused me to reduce my outdoor riding. Training indoors is a necessary evil. Any methodology to reduce the bordum is key... like listening to music. I'm wondering. ....can you ride a wheely on your rollers? It took me a few rear wheels to get better at it?
Smart trainer makes a huge difference. If I had to choose between a basic trainer and rollers I would take rollers, but I like data and my smart trainer provides me with power, which I don't have normally.
I will never have your hoppy mad bike skills, but my apartment has a long, very narrow hallway. It is where this sixth decade grumpy man learned to ride clipless pedals. Foot on, foot off, foot on, foot off......rollers it is, right after I get next winters tractor ski's of the Apocalypse, a pair of Altai Hoks 144's.
I’m going to disagree with you on this one. The smart trainer paired with Zwift, Sufferfest, or Trainer Road is my go to winter training. I find I do more miles per week in winter than during “nice” weather months. That’s probably because there is nothing else to do in winter. With that being said, I’ve always wanted to try rollers out.
@@Spindatt I love my smart rollers. I use insideride emotion rollers and they are great! Disadvantages compared to normal rollers are they are much heavier, they don't fold, and because of the rocking motion and the bumpers I don't think you can hop off or onto them (not as easily at least). Advantages are you can do standing sprints (which I've heard is very difficult on static rollers), a more realistic road feel, variable smart resistance, and a built in power meter.
Hey Eric I need help. Kona BIg Honzo ST or Kona Rove LTD? Built up both from frames. I have a old steel road bike and a Kona Precept 120. I really want to get back to basics on mountain biking as well as upgrade almost everything about my mountain bike (tubeless, through axles, etc). On the other hand, my steel roadbike could use the same but almost worse. I constantly reach for my mountain bike instead of my road bike but I could see a dropper post gravel bike being a rowdy enough quiver killer speed machine. I have the option of buying a cheap gravel or hardtail bike and cheaping out on the opposing build but I'm not sure if I want to have two "watered down" bikes. Any advice would be appreciated!
My advice is to put the money into the mtb, and pick away at the road bike. Road bikes need a lot less gear to be fun. Mtb’s benefit from nicer gear more obviously in my mind
FTR, I bought a $12 Vittoria Zaffiro (in red) with steel bead *years* ago and still have it on the dedicated trainer wheel. (it was an old wheel that won't hold true out on the road. Never had any problems, and haven't had to buy a $50 "trainer specific" tire every season. Thanks for the psi tip for the rollers. I've been wondering for a while if it would make a noticeable difference but was unable to find an answer before this.
You say trainers are safe but I've 100% crashed off of one because I didn't clamp the back wheel properly so maybe just try being incompetent like me then everything can be exciting and dangerous
I've only owned rollers, people notice my smooth riding style. There have been times when icicles hang from my spokes and frame after a ride. Hot weather just can't motivate me to get out the rollers though.
haha - ace vid!, i got into cycling initially via mtn biking - 98% of my interest was because of the high probability of getting hurt. Now that i've become a roadie, the interest factor relating to getting hurt has fallen down to 96% ....but i feel like the catastrophic outcome possibility more than makes up for that 2% added level of "safety"...🤣
I've never owned either but always wanted rollers for many of the reasons you outlined. I suppose I wouldn't *always* be seeking the degree of balance challenge a set of rollers provides, but I can't imagine ever accepting the unnatural feeling of being unable to sway your bike even slightly when cranking hard when locked into a trainer..
Do tires develop the same ugly square wear mark in the middle with rollers, or is it due to the friction trainers induce that cause this? I hope you didn't mention it and I missed it. Then there are some rollers than do have some adjustable resistance, I suspect there is some wear anyway. To change tires between road use and trainer seems as so much work that a cheap replacement wheel with the hardest tire on the market is an easy choice. If I had to change tires I would probably skip riding or training. So I think it is reasonable that when considering the cost to add that of a cheap wheel, cassette and tire. If you are planning in shifting gears while on the trainer I suspect a compatible cassette to your shifter is a must. Otherwise you may have to end up using a single gear.
😂, thanks for the video 🍻. I had every intention of getting myself a pair of rollers for rainy days but before I made a purchase (I was leaning toward the less basic Tacx), in steps the quarantine and my wife with her new interest in fitness. So the rollers are out but in comes household sponsorship 💸! Now the whole family is using the wahoo kicker core because I hate changing tires. Riding outside is immeasurably better but my non riding family seems to like it 😶.
Spindatt - The wife confiscated my Rans Vrex, a Craigslist recumbent find. She likes the huge seat, it slides to fit riders from 5’ to 6’ 2”. It fits everyone in the house with the twist of three bolts.
Yes, in a door frame or against a wall at least. A wall and the back of a sofa better still. Unless you've got a bad bushing in a roller you'll get it. That would be felt as a bad vibration and high drag.
Well.... it will depend on who you are as a rider... but I have to agree on your point of view... BUT, if you are TRAINING not RIDING, I rather have a trainer.
Had rollers, found I was working way harder than I wanted too on the rollers to be comfortable, not what I wanted. I'm am currently recovering from a broken collar bone, I can read when on the Tacx... :)
@@markjthomson I use one for my wife and my grandson. just bolt your fork onto it and your rear wheel still sits on the rollers. Having that waggle in the back really makes a difference in knee pain, standing and gear ranges. Of course this is on the 2.5 rollers not the larger diameter ones...they just spin too easily...www.kreitler.com
@@TL243 So turn rollers into something the same as a tacx... seems a bit pointless... :) If it's all I had I might consider it... For what I want I'll stick to the trainer... :)
@@markjthomson Good luck!! it has been great to see a kid ride the rollers and then ride his bike for the first time... and for me, it has always been my RAAM training tool... no doubt without them I could not have gotten across the country in 249 hours...Speedy recovery to you and get back on the bike soon!
All good reasons, all valid, but I'm going to nominate a smart trainer(one with a cassette on it) if you are looking for a more intense workout. I live in a smaller city and the quickest way to get hit by car is to go full gas down any road, guarantee someone is going to pull out in front of you or make a right turn into you. Having my smart trainer I can get a full on interval workout in 15-20 min and not have to stop for a stop light or get hit by any cars...and I can do it without having to get geared up and drive out of the city. Also, friends don't let friends ride zwift.
Total agreement. Fixed indoor riding with high tech simulated screen etc etc at best is sad! Perhaps developed in harmony with the A.I. future being planned by the Tech Companies. Perhaps in harmony with the United Nations Agenda 21 plan for this time involving greater and greater control and restrictions of movement.(by great coincedence perfectly facilitated by this covid19 situation) ? My own personal feeling,having been riding,racing road,gravel,mtb for a great many years...rain and shine(in Co. Donegal. West Coast of Ireland mostly rain!!) cycling is about OUTDOORS!
Bicycle purchases increased during the pandemic and more people were outside. I'm not so sure why you would frame this as using trainers/rollers because of the pandemic...
I thought this was a 2002 video. Smart trainers are the best thing that has happen for indoor training, you can't just ignore it if you do a trainer vs roller video. More and more people are recording huge distance on their smart trainer now. Zwift is fun, addicting and totally change the way training is done now. Group ride, structured training, race or wander around, none of this was possible before. I can't recommend this enough, if you think about riding indoor, buy a smart trainer. I'm really glad I did and regret not buying one before. Everyone I know who made the investment would say the same thing. It's not a task, it becomes a game, a game that gets you fit ! Try it.
It's all about possibly getting hurt
Danger makes things more fun!
That tip with adjusting the tire pressure is gold! I only have a singlespeed and can't be bothered to change the crank and chain every time I want to alter the intensity.
you could also try throwing a fistful of sand into the bearings / inner races of the roller mechanism....i reckon that'd do the trick of adding resistance too 🤣
Roller skills reminded me of a video of Peter Sagan in the team tent just casually bunny hopping on them
Awesome comparison. Thanks
A very good advice video. One that I needed. Ok, but wait, wait, wait, you had the “Spinners” “Ain’t No Price On Happiness” playing in the background? Wow! Very cool. I’m all ears now!
Have you tried using your motorcycle on rollers? Will the motorcycle break rollers?
Put a small logo in the white space above ur workbench
My Tacx Rollers hold a special place in my heart, they are just so much fun. I owned my rollers for 3 years and rode they 3-4 times a week. This year I invested in a smart trainer and I am now training harder with Zwift.
Love riding the endless 15 inch road! Glad to hear you refer to trainers as contraptions... BUT, you need to dive into small diameter rollers that offer resistance based upon physics, those free spinning 3-4inch things almost always turn newby's off of rollers, do not give the ride feel of the road, or give realworld workouts. Kreitler Dynomites are a lifetime purchase and worth every penny! Love the content!
Whats the difference? I just purchased the Elite arion mag parabolic rollers. Id like to hear more about the rollers you are talking about
You're a bad man. That was cold. I loved it
Rollers are cool. The thing that has stopped me from getting a trainer is the setup. Rollers are plug-and-play and are more portable.
I know my next purchase will be for my bike.
Easily the funniest Spindatt video
I used to use my old road tires and never had a problem, but I'm pretty weak so maybe that's why.
Naw it’s not you. I’m pretty certain that’s not a real problem. Maybe in older trainers or if someone cranked it down way more than necessary
Just ordered the Elite Arion Mag parabolic rollers because of your video.
Thanks Dude, this helped me make a choice between the two!
Any day spindatt posts a video is a good day.
I didn't know, that's great!!
Duh, Rollers every time.
Lol that’s too short a video
Well, that's my mind made up
Yes Eric! I heard it!
So the TL:DR is when its super fucking cold, get studded tires? Aight, I'm going to go send it. #dontgetthiccinsiberia
It was amusing to watch Eric do spinneys on a roller keep up the good work I'll keep watching keep your stick on the ice.
They’ll keep coming! Thanks
Over the years I have owned and used all kinds of indoor bike trainers mainly for can't ride outdoors due to rain/snow weather and/or time constraints. You really need to have multiple bikes and invest in some good cycling clothes to do only outdoor riding year around. All the needed outdoor gear can cost as much or more than a good set of rollers? Injury from outdoor riding mtb and getting hit by cars caused me to reduce my outdoor riding. Training indoors is a necessary evil. Any methodology to reduce the bordum is key... like listening to music. I'm wondering. ....can you ride a wheely on your rollers? It took me a few rear wheels to get better at it?
Sold me on rollers. I like danger.
Spin 'em!
Hello
Nice Video, thx
Does it makes sense with 6.5cm mtb wheels on rollers, and is it possible?
Dont want to change anything on my bike 😅
Thank you
Smart trainer makes a huge difference. If I had to choose between a basic trainer and rollers I would take rollers, but I like data and my smart trainer provides me with power, which I don't have normally.
I ended up just getting a good condition 2nd rear wheel, trainer tire and the trainer. I also just listen to music or watch tv/movies.
I will never have your hoppy mad bike skills, but my apartment has a long, very narrow hallway. It is where this sixth decade grumpy man learned to ride clipless pedals. Foot on, foot off, foot on, foot off......rollers it is, right after I get next winters tractor ski's of the Apocalypse, a pair of Altai Hoks 144's.
That hallway sounds perfect for learning to ride rollers!
I’m going to disagree with you on this one. The smart trainer paired with Zwift, Sufferfest, or Trainer Road is my go to winter training. I find I do more miles per week in winter than during “nice” weather months. That’s probably because there is nothing else to do in winter. With that being said, I’ve always wanted to try rollers out.
I think the true winner would be smart rollers!
@@Spindatt I love my smart rollers. I use insideride emotion rollers and they are great! Disadvantages compared to normal rollers are they are much heavier, they don't fold, and because of the rocking motion and the bumpers I don't think you can hop off or onto them (not as easily at least). Advantages are you can do standing sprints (which I've heard is very difficult on static rollers), a more realistic road feel, variable smart resistance, and a built in power meter.
I could only handle doing the turbo with Zwift, nothing else was even close to doable.
Hey Eric I need help. Kona BIg Honzo ST or Kona Rove LTD? Built up both from frames. I have a old steel road bike and a Kona Precept 120. I really want to get back to basics on mountain biking as well as upgrade almost everything about my mountain bike (tubeless, through axles, etc). On the other hand, my steel roadbike could use the same but almost worse. I constantly reach for my mountain bike instead of my road bike but I could see a dropper post gravel bike being a rowdy enough quiver killer speed machine. I have the option of buying a cheap gravel or hardtail bike and cheaping out on the opposing build but I'm not sure if I want to have two "watered down" bikes. Any advice would be appreciated!
My advice is to put the money into the mtb, and pick away at the road bike. Road bikes need a lot less gear to be fun. Mtb’s benefit from nicer gear more obviously in my mind
FTR, I bought a $12 Vittoria Zaffiro (in red) with steel bead *years* ago and still have it on the dedicated trainer wheel. (it was an old wheel that won't hold true out on the road. Never had any problems, and haven't had to buy a $50 "trainer specific" tire every season.
Thanks for the psi tip for the rollers. I've been wondering for a while if it would make a noticeable difference but was unable to find an answer before this.
I ruptured my Achilles, so the indoor bike trainer was fantastic for cardio.
You say trainers are safe but I've 100% crashed off of one because I didn't clamp the back wheel properly so maybe just try being incompetent like me then everything can be exciting and dangerous
I've only owned rollers, people notice my smooth riding style. There have been times when icicles hang from my spokes and frame after a ride. Hot weather just can't motivate me to get out the rollers though.
haha - ace vid!, i got into cycling initially via mtn biking - 98% of my interest was because of the high probability of getting hurt. Now that i've become a roadie, the interest factor relating to getting hurt has fallen down to 96% ....but i feel like the catastrophic outcome possibility more than makes up for that 2% added level of "safety"...🤣
Always a level of danger makes monotonous activities exciting 😹
I've never owned either but always wanted rollers for many of the reasons you outlined. I suppose I wouldn't *always* be seeking the degree of balance challenge a set of rollers provides, but I can't imagine ever accepting the unnatural feeling of being unable to sway your bike even slightly when cranking hard when locked into a trainer..
Do tires develop the same ugly square wear mark in the middle with rollers, or is it due to the friction trainers induce that cause this? I hope you didn't mention it and I missed it. Then there are some rollers than do have some adjustable resistance, I suspect there is some wear anyway.
To change tires between road use and trainer seems as so much work that a cheap replacement wheel with the hardest tire on the market is an easy choice. If I had to change tires I would probably skip riding or training. So I think it is reasonable that when considering the cost to add that of a cheap wheel, cassette and tire. If you are planning in shifting gears while on the trainer I suspect a compatible cassette to your shifter is a must. Otherwise you may have to end up using a single gear.
😂, thanks for the video 🍻. I had every intention of getting myself a pair of rollers for rainy days but before I made a purchase (I was leaning toward the less basic Tacx), in steps the quarantine and my wife with her new interest in fitness. So the rollers are out but in comes household sponsorship 💸! Now the whole family is using the wahoo kicker core because I hate changing tires. Riding outside is immeasurably better but my non riding family seems to like it 😶.
Just need to make sure all of those bikes have the same speed drivetrain I assume? That’s pretty good!
Spindatt - The wife confiscated my Rans Vrex, a Craigslist recumbent find. She likes the huge seat, it slides to fit riders from 5’ to 6’ 2”. It fits everyone in the house with the twist of three bolts.
I have a set of rollers but I can't seem to ride them. Bent a derailleur hanger falling off them.
Do some maintenance. Stop watching, start fettling. Don't be lazy.
Have you tried riding between a door frame to use as a place to lean against?
Yes, in a door frame or against a wall at least. A wall and the back of a sofa better still. Unless you've got a bad bushing in a roller you'll get it. That would be felt as a bad vibration and high drag.
You could have put the BMX on it when you said "any bike". You can definitely ride a bmx with rollers
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Who are you Google? I swear you are reading my mind. I have been looking at trainers for when winter comes
They are always watching! Haha
@@Spindatt I can't see how a google algorithm can make sense of the Spindatt channel!!
Well.... it will depend on who you are as a rider... but I have to agree on your point of view...
BUT, if you are TRAINING not RIDING, I rather have a trainer.
Had rollers, found I was working way harder than I wanted too on the rollers to be comfortable, not what I wanted. I'm am currently recovering from a broken collar bone, I can read when on the Tacx... :)
Two words, fork stand....
@@TL243 fork stand... huh? I don't need one on the trainer... and how would that work on the rollers..?
@@markjthomson I use one for my wife and my grandson. just bolt your fork onto it and your rear wheel still sits on the rollers. Having that waggle in the back really makes a difference in knee pain, standing and gear ranges. Of course this is on the 2.5 rollers not the larger diameter ones...they just spin too easily...www.kreitler.com
@@TL243 So turn rollers into something the same as a tacx... seems a bit pointless... :) If it's all I had I might consider it... For what I want I'll stick to the trainer... :)
@@markjthomson Good luck!! it has been great to see a kid ride the rollers and then ride his bike for the first time... and for me, it has always been my RAAM training tool... no doubt without them I could not have gotten across the country in 249 hours...Speedy recovery to you and get back on the bike soon!
Have melted a tyre on my trainer before 😅
fun video
All good reasons, all valid, but I'm going to nominate a smart trainer(one with a cassette on it) if you are looking for a more intense workout. I live in a smaller city and the quickest way to get hit by car is to go full gas down any road, guarantee someone is going to pull out in front of you or make a right turn into you. Having my smart trainer I can get a full on interval workout in 15-20 min and not have to stop for a stop light or get hit by any cars...and I can do it without having to get geared up and drive out of the city.
Also, friends don't let friends ride zwift.
I’ve never tried a smart trainer before. Though, I’ll quietly say that I’d be willing to haha
Safe bet..rollers. Not ashamed to say some of my bikes are used for drying clothes. Many of us don't have garages / workshops.
The basement bike definitely have clothes hanging off of them, Hense my knowledge of their effectiveness as drying racks haha!
Wheel off trainers
Total agreement. Fixed indoor riding with high tech simulated screen etc etc at best is sad! Perhaps developed in harmony with the A.I. future being planned by the Tech Companies. Perhaps in harmony with the United Nations Agenda 21 plan for this time involving greater and greater control and restrictions of movement.(by great coincedence perfectly facilitated by this covid19 situation) ? My own personal feeling,having been riding,racing road,gravel,mtb for a great many years...rain and shine(in Co. Donegal. West Coast of Ireland mostly rain!!) cycling is about OUTDOORS!
Bicycle purchases increased during the pandemic and more people were outside. I'm not so sure why you would frame this as using trainers/rollers because of the pandemic...
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I thought this was a 2002 video. Smart trainers are the best thing that has happen for indoor training, you can't just ignore it if you do a trainer vs roller video. More and more people are recording huge distance on their smart trainer now. Zwift is fun, addicting and totally change the way training is done now. Group ride, structured training, race or wander around, none of this was possible before. I can't recommend this enough, if you think about riding indoor, buy a smart trainer. I'm really glad I did and regret not buying one before. Everyone I know who made the investment would say the same thing. It's not a task, it becomes a game, a game that gets you fit ! Try it.
My choice is beer. Riding indoors sucks 🤢🤢
It seriously does
I'm with you on that one. Rollers only after a week of unrideable weather in winter. Good for warmups for racing but that was years ago.
Ride outside anyway. UV rays kill ‘rona .
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