Being a longtime Garmin watch and ecosystem user, I just got myself the Avitator as a replacement for a 945. Ray might not be the targeted client, but I am. Daily driver was either that 945 or my A Lange & Söhne and a few other dress/sport watches, which all looks nice, but doesn't provide any physiological measurements between training sessions. With the Aviator I can now wear something that looks somewhat decent (Rolex GMT clone) with a suit *and* have 24/7 data, and the price is something I can absorb anyway.
I wish I got the Aviator. I have the golfer, and the hole numbers are in the same position as the GMT hours, but stop at 18 for obvious reasons. I started playing with strap options, and found that I can use Seiko diver spring bars for a great fit. The problem is that green and black are the only straps that work.
I’m glad you talked about price. No one else is talking about price and that makes you stand out of all the other Garmin review videos. I think it’s important to talk about how fast this tech will go obsolete. The prices are incredibly high and the watches will become “previous models” within the next 365 days. They’re coming out with new watches every year. We don’t have 2,000 to drop every year or the other. Garmin needs to recycle their older pieces and give a good rebate on their new watches.
The people buying these are also considering a $5k watch that has FAR MORE outdated "tech". What he didn't talk about with the mechanical watches is regular servicing. You have to send those watches to a *person* to have every tiny piece taken out, cleaned, reassembled, and lubricated. That's about another $1k every 5-10 years just to keep your watch within -2/+6 seconds per day. Given how long Garmin devices last, they're not that bad of a choice VERSUS A LUXURY WATCH. If you need the options of a Fenix and don't care how it looks on your wrist in the board room, stick with the Fenix. That's all the Marq is. That said, I daily the Golfer and play with strap options. I'm the target customer, and they got me.
Been rocking the MARQ adventurer for over 2 months now. Its my favorite watch in general now. I liked my vivoactive, but this thing has more battery, a better sapphire screen, and tons of more features. Yeah it cost a lot more, but it has a lot of premium physical features, like the leather band, sapphire glass... that stuff costs money even in a traditional watch.
Love this channel and the time it takes to do the extensive online reviews must be immense. Great stuff looking forward to seeing more stuff from you, subbed.
@@minervali631 a good friend has a Glashütte (A. Lange & Söhne), and i've talked to people with Patek Phillippes at watch-conventions (i mean other visitors wearing them).. I know people that have expensive IWCs, Jaeger's or Zeniths, and while they are all amazing watches, for me personally they've crossed the border between "reasonable price" and "value".. maybe i'm just not rich enough to be willing to spend 30k on a watch, but until i am i see the best value in the speedmaster.. and i really like the style :)
Love or hate the watches, the review was great. Nobody needs a watch like this, like I don’t need my Tesla. Apple, and now Garmin has determined there is a significant market for things people don’t need. If you need a watch like this, you probably need way more expensive things. Like a plane, or a yacht. I think “Find-my-yacht/plane” is now in the App Store. It’s a free App.
I even don't dare to upgrade from my well functioning Fenix 3 because of all the issues with the newer devices reported in forums, although I would like to have maps. Priority for me as probably for many others is GPS-accuracy, so I agree that real sports guys are not the target group!
Imagine doing a triathlon/cycling while wearing one, then your tire snags a rock or a stick, you fall off and smash your $2500 watch. No thank you! My Garmin 735xt is all I need!
Btw these are made out of similar materials than the fenix so screen wise it's supper solid! There is a fenix 3 sapphire video you can check out = drill + fenix 3 screen = no damage 😋
I had a Fenix 3 before the 5. That F3 got well and truly beaten up and looked it and I was happy about that as I saw it as a tool and not an expensive timepiece.
Well yeah, but you could say the same of active people who wear Tags, Omegas, or Breitlings, except they'll be out a lot more than 2.5k. I don't feel with these products Garmin is trying to appeal to the "My 735xt is all I need" crowd.
not wanting to be nit-picking, but the moving map in the background at 12:15 is moving the wrong way.. Earth spins the other direction! If Earth spun like this, then sun-rise would be in the west and sunset would be in the east..
I love my Fenix 6X Sapphire, but I drool over these Marq series watches. If I had the coin, I would buy one even though the tech would be outdated in a few years.
i felt so guilty about buying a Fenix 5 Plus for 1000 CAD. Even the entry level one in here will cost 2000 CAD. So the athletic version will cost 1000 more for design, UI changes and some firstbeat analytics.
Good news of this collection is that some of this magic will trickle down to the fenix at some point in time. The Athlete is not that much more expensive in some regions than the sapphire Fenix's after release date. Question is who will want to beat up their +1.5K wristwatches without a single worry. Interesting evolution nonetheless Thanks for the detailed overview as always
Really like the Expedition but couldn’t justify the price. I’m considering the 5x+ that comes with the official leather strap in the box. Do you have any pictures of that one or a review. It’s difficult to quite see the colours on the Garmin site. Thanks
This is more of an exercise in branding and positioning than it is a near-term drive for profit. It will be interesting to see how Marq evolves and if it provides more pricing headroom for the lower-end lines. By the way, how was the tactile feel of the buttons?
Interestingly these are similar to my Epix pro sapphire 51. Gonna look for a recent review to see what’s new but these are still beautiful pieces. Especially the mariner.
Some mixed emotions here. I kind of like the way Garmin is going here, but they need to upgrade the display. I would like to se a higher resolution and maybe som real hands, kind of like the Vivomove HR. That would make it more classy.
Yeah, I don't really want to see a full Apple Watch type screen since battery is killer. But, I wish it was just a bit more bright (non-light). Super noticable today while trying to take photos of it next to an Apple Watch. Middle ground is what I want.
@@Dcrainmaker Totally agree on this one. They need to stay away from Apple and Samsung type screens. The non-light display is pretty unique but it is time for a upgrade.
100%. Seeing pixels and the second hand ticking along (more like jumping) is not expected at this price point. Should have no visible pixels and a smooth second hand if they want this considered a luxury watch, price alone doesn't cut it.
I've got several garmin devices now - my daily wear is a VA4. I use it to track general workouts, running, biking, but I also use its golf features pretty extensively. They just released the MARQ golfer which has some really compelling features without taking away the activity stuff I want (like the Approach series does) - but at $1800, that is a pill I'm not willing to swallow. I would, however, give it a second look if the screen were improved over the VA4, which, from reading the comments and watching the video, does not seem to be the case. I definitely do not want amoled, but at the very least, resolution needs to be improved on their screens to ask this much money.
The Marq seems to be a 5plus with pulse ox added. Why do you think the battery life in smart watch mode is 12 days while the 6Pro is 14 days? Do they both have the Sony GPS?
Hi do you know if the golf functions are the same on all devices. I love the look of the aviator gen2 but don’t want to loose function on the golf gen 2
Thx for the review! I'm a Fen5x+ user... I think they miss the mark on this series. Athletes want features and functionality. But I understand there is a market for this niche group and I would love to see the sales next year.
Expeditions mode would be relevant if it was posibel to adjust the GPS record and turn the on and of. And have abc as well. Two weeks would be sufficient for most with low battery use, gps and ABC.
Nice video! Only thing I don’t like is the overhead camera feels like it faces the wrong way.. I don’t know why but my brain expects it to be overhead and from your side of the table. Overall though great content, thanks!!
I will have a hard time buying another Garmin GPS watch, I am on my 3rd Fenix three Sapphire due to various issues with them just flat not doing what Garmin says they are supposed to. Purchased a Fenix 5 for my Wife Christmas before last and it also has some issues with Altimeter/Barometer. Just hard to keep giving them money for things that don't work as advertised.
Fantast review, would have liked to watched your longer version. I'm looking to purchase the Marq Athlete, question, should I or just purchase the Fenix 5 plus?
I enjoy your videos. I have owned a Garmin products since 201. Your point about the lifetime of these watches is a great one. The batteries don’t last more than 2 years and replacing them is not worth the cost. You may as well get a new one. However, I have found Polar to have a better battery. It has certainly lasted longer.
Yeah, i love Garmin watches better than any other sport watch out there. And don't even mind spending $1,500 on it. But one of the important things for me is weight. Lighter is better. I don't want the watch weighing me down. The MARQ athlete misses the mark on weight. Put all that tech in the new Forerunner 936, and you got yourself another best seller Garmin.
@@thestamsvideoproduction7427 Yeah, I haven't dug into the nuance of the golf features between the S60 and the Fenix series. My understanding is that this matches the Fenix series (the variant with pre-loaded course). Sorry!
@@Dcrainmaker no need to be sorry I was just offering more detail on the golf courses. Your videos are awesome. I love your site by the way!! Super in depth! Easily best on the web 😉
Nice production touch with the suit. I see the point about tech moving on, but a camera and a phone are totally different when it comes to consumers buying. But how I am looking at it, why buy these when you can get more or less the same functionality with a Fenix 5x Plus for a lot less. (For the athlete edition anyway) You only have to look an example of this with the iPhone XR and XS. The XR offers more or less the same functionality at a reduced price and it’s a top seller for Apple. (According to the analysts) As a consumer, I buy lots of tech. Some of it is a need and some is a want. I also have a nice collection of high end watches. But i am not tempted to even consider this watch, even though I do own the DLC Fenix 5x Plus. My final point, Apple tried this with both the edition gold range and recently the ceramic edition. Despite all of Apples pulp and marketing, the company has given up again on the luxury line
"Those watches will become obsolete in few years" - But... My fathers Ambit 3 that I use for GPS with HR strap is still perfectly fine... :D Nothing obsolete in what it is.
The delta 2 PX is about $1000 , the Aviator Marq is almost double , what's the difference between the 2 and how does Garmin justify the price increase ?
So I was curious about this so I compared the specs on the website since I'm just one of those people.... From what I can see your basically paying £700 more (right now) for the MARQ than the DELTA. Breaking that down most of these fall under "Fancier parts". Case material on the MARQ Aviator is also Titanium as opposed to "Fiber-reinforced polymer". Bezel is a blend of Ceramic and Titanium rather than just Titanium. Then you have the more obvious Hardware changes: Gen 3 WRHM which I understand is supposed to feature a few improvements over previous versions (such as potentially better dealing with water between the sensor etc.). Also double the memory/storage of the P2. Beyond that you have all the changes @DC Rainmaker already called out such as different GPS chipset etc. Presumably this device also includes all the latest hardware from recent updates so you will also see more of the latest feature releases for more software type of changes to provide things like BodyBattery and Heat and Altitude Acclimation. I'm not an aviator but from watching the video I also understand each MARQ has its own "Party Trick" that also makes it stand out. I would also imagine given the price and the components there is also a cost added on for "vanity" of the owner / premium price tag. SUMMARY: Right now I'd say the way to think of the difference is like having the latest model of a car you really like or an upgrade to your latest phone but instead of going for just the upgrade you decide to chose the iPhone X Plus over the X.... It might not be for everyone but some will still pay the extra price. P.s. I broke away from Apple for now in a love hate relationship so apologies if this reference is out of date...
Love your hard work man. Any feelings of the Opitcal Heart Rate changes? Is it better than the laggy-ish 5 series? My Apple watch series 4 put the Garmin I had to shame with HR accuracy, but I can't use the Apple watch for long. The battery doesn't make it with the training I do. I'm hoping they will trickle the new HR monitor design down into cheaper watches. If it's better, I'll wait. If it's not, no point in waiting.
ackthet I haven’t heard of anything there. But to be honest, there’s really only two tangible features. One is the Firstbeat widget thing I showed for race predictor, and the other is the Expedition mode. But I suspect that new Expedition mode is heavily tied to the new Sony GPS chipset.
Hi Ray, I have seen the Marq Aviator RRP £1799 for £1079. I was going for a fenix 7 but in your opinion, at this discounted price is it worth going for the aviator even if I won't use the aviation features?
The Athlete and the Adventurer edition are obsolete already. The fenix 6 plus range has the same software & functionality. The only real difference is the build quality, but not worh the price difference imho.
Can they each do the functions of each other? Example, I like the look of the aviator but need the driver and expedition functions. I personally use a 5x plus for motorcycle touring adventures(maps, with bluetooth directions), fitness and I do own a race car.. If they are only for each watches name(aviator cant do drivers functions) then which one fits me?
Thanks - I trust your reviews on Garmin from past experience and it does not bode well if the GPs chip is not that great on such an expensive watch - I like the look of it though
I'm new to buying these smartwatches. I'm a pool and open water swimmer, would it be wise for me to buy (considering if outdated soon) the Garmin 735xt in 2019 or go with recent Garmin 5? Thanks
i have the 935 tri for exactly that very reason, plus running and golf.. no Garmin pay (don't care) and no onboard music (would be convenient for running, but no dealbreaker) and with the included black strap it doesn't really stand out like some of the other colors, so you can still wear it daily or with more elegant clothing if needed..
If you mainly want to go swimming, I'd take a watch that is really waterproof. The 735xt is rated for 3bar (30m) which in theory should be fine, but there are many complaints about the watch stopping to work while being in the water. And Garmin even states in the manual that you should better not press the buttons while under water. To me, this is a no-go.
James Greenwood I have no desire to see anything relating to Golf. Golf takes up space in Connect and other places it seems to be the one activity that cannot be hidden or removed.
@@jedisdad2265 you can modify it in Garmin connect mobile: Open the app Select your device (top right) Select activities and apps and more Select activities and applications Then select which ones you want to remove Hope this helps 😉. Descent is a nice bit of kit!!
Hi Ray Thanks for the reviews. I went on Garmin website and seen that they have a SCUBA Diving smart watch. I’m a scuba diver and use a dive computer. Is there anyway you can do a review on the SCUBA DIVING ONE??? Thanks
Rainmaker - love your stuff, especially the website which has been my goto place for years. About this watch series... just my opinion, but this is rubbish. The price does not even come close to justifying what utility you actually get out of the watch. I am a long-time Garmin user, starting with the 310xt (ugly by today's standards ;-)), then the 910xt, I then moved on to the original Fenix, then the Fenix 3. I stopped there because I could not see the purchase of the Fenix 5 as being justified... This now is simply outrageousness :-)
No mention anywhere about the water resistance rating . That's a very important thing to overlook. Is is 1 atm? 10? 100? Garmin doesnt show it on their website and your everything you will ever need to know post also contains zero info.
Does show on the website in the specifications.. FYI all the MARQ's are 10 ATM rated.... Not sure you can find a 100 ATM rated true smartwatch yet - but if you do please post the link :)
I'd buy an American made Music Man Stingray which will work perfectly for decades to come and hold value really well. A Forerunner 235 suits me just fine ;-)
Hm. I'd rather like to see Garmin fix their Fenix 5+ firmware instead releasing a similar set of watches for 3-5 times the price of a 5+. But ya, I don't understand business obviously.
So I can understand your stand point on thinking these will not compete with tech in the next 6 years but you're wrong on them being done and dusted at that point. The dentures they offer don't go bad... honestly with what they offer, there isn't anything else needed from a GPS watch
@@Dcrainmaker I won't disagree with ya there at all. Luckily these come with setting to make the most out of the battery. By the time this thing degrades enough to be a head ache, I will have gotten my moneys worth out of it and then some. Have the expedition and the entire next year I will be hiking through all the national parks in the states. Shooters choice I guess. If ya bought something like this and not utilizing it for what it is, then yea waste of money
I had the finex 5. I did not like the washed screen and the very inaccurate heart rate in what was supposed to be a watch for sports. I hope those pricy versions are better.
I wore Breitlings for about ten years before I finally switched to Fenix. While I appreciate Garmin trying to dress up sports watches--which are all rather bland and industrial--I don't see myself getting one of these. No amount of bling (even tastefully done) on a sports watch will give it the exclusivity and artistic relevance of high-end mechanical diving or racing watches. I feel like these MARQs are aimed at this awkward middle ground. In the case of practicality, my Fenix 5 Plus does everything these MARQ watches do. If someone wants to dress up or show off, a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling will always be more classy and expensive than a Garmin.
Kinda disagree with the "it will be obsolete in a few years or 2-4 years" thinking. More like 5-10 years imo (if you are OK with not having some of the latest tech & features). But yeah ultimate it is a lot of money and still not going to last very long.
Still not solar powered - I just went for a Casio Rangeman - beautiful display, basic nav but main reason - solar powered GPS position. Garmin are still tied to a flawed display - it may be colour but there's no dynamic range/contrast. I wonder how long they will continue to milk the cow...
@@Dcrainmaker I know - a compromise to make ;-) Keep doing what you do. I bought lots of stuff (multiple Forerunner watches, Aeropod, Vector 3 set, Neo, Edge units, GoPro etc.) after consulting your blog with brilliant reviews.
@@Dcrainmaker It worked well and working in IT I didn't have any issues with the Isaac software or setting up different profiles for my road bikes and the P3-triathlon bike. However I was able to buy a brand new Vector 3 set for half the price - therefore the PowerPod has been sold last year.
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Hey folks - here’s the link to the full post with all the accuracy testing and piles of galleries of photos of all the watches, enjoy! dcra.in/MARQ
Nice suit, but I bet you have your bike shorts on :)
Being a longtime Garmin watch and ecosystem user, I just got myself the Avitator as a replacement for a 945. Ray might not be the targeted client, but I am. Daily driver was either that 945 or my A Lange & Söhne and a few other dress/sport watches, which all looks nice, but doesn't provide any physiological measurements between training sessions. With the Aviator I can now wear something that looks somewhat decent (Rolex GMT clone) with a suit *and* have 24/7 data, and the price is something I can absorb anyway.
I wish I got the Aviator. I have the golfer, and the hole numbers are in the same position as the GMT hours, but stop at 18 for obvious reasons. I started playing with strap options, and found that I can use Seiko diver spring bars for a great fit. The problem is that green and black are the only straps that work.
I’m glad you talked about price. No one else is talking about price and that makes you stand out of all the other Garmin review videos. I think it’s important to talk about how fast this tech will go obsolete. The prices are incredibly high and the watches will become “previous models” within the next 365 days. They’re coming out with new watches every year. We don’t have 2,000 to drop every year or the other. Garmin needs to recycle their older pieces and give a good rebate on their new watches.
The people buying these are also considering a $5k watch that has FAR MORE outdated "tech". What he didn't talk about with the mechanical watches is regular servicing. You have to send those watches to a *person* to have every tiny piece taken out, cleaned, reassembled, and lubricated. That's about another $1k every 5-10 years just to keep your watch within -2/+6 seconds per day. Given how long Garmin devices last, they're not that bad of a choice VERSUS A LUXURY WATCH. If you need the options of a Fenix and don't care how it looks on your wrist in the board room, stick with the Fenix. That's all the Marq is. That said, I daily the Golfer and play with strap options. I'm the target customer, and they got me.
Renwewal cycle is clearly longer, 2 to 3 years for fenix, and closer to 4 years for Marq, but yeah I kinda see your point.
Been rocking the MARQ adventurer for over 2 months now. Its my favorite watch in general now. I liked my vivoactive, but this thing has more battery, a better sapphire screen, and tons of more features. Yeah it cost a lot more, but it has a lot of premium physical features, like the leather band, sapphire glass... that stuff costs money even in a traditional watch.
Love this channel and the time it takes to do the extensive online reviews must be immense. Great stuff looking forward to seeing more stuff from you, subbed.
Forerunner 935 (tri) for daily wear and sports.. Omega for elegant occasions.. can't beat that combo :)
cdh79 until the day you run in someone with a patek...
@@minervali631 a good friend has a Glashütte (A. Lange & Söhne), and i've talked to people with Patek Phillippes at watch-conventions (i mean other visitors wearing them)..
I know people that have expensive IWCs, Jaeger's or Zeniths, and while they are all amazing watches, for me personally they've crossed the border between "reasonable price" and "value"..
maybe i'm just not rich enough to be willing to spend 30k on a watch, but until i am i see the best value in the speedmaster.. and i really like the style :)
Love or hate the watches, the review was great. Nobody needs a watch like this, like I don’t need my Tesla. Apple, and now Garmin has determined there is a significant market for things people don’t need. If you need a watch like this, you probably need way more expensive things. Like a plane, or a yacht. I think “Find-my-yacht/plane” is now in the App Store. It’s a free App.
heart in mouth every time that stand wobbles.
Your reviews are impressive. Very very well done! I'm part of the family now. Keep it up!
Love the suit and tie Ray. And, congrats on the subscriber milestone.
Upvoted just for the Ray’s the Steaks reference
At those prices, I guess their new slogan is
"Fleecing the Marq"
I even don't dare to upgrade from my well functioning Fenix 3 because of all the issues with the newer devices reported in forums, although I would like to have maps. Priority for me as probably for many others is GPS-accuracy, so I agree that real sports guys are not the target group!
Same here, left for the apple watch for a short time but back to my Fenix 3HR
Imagine doing a triathlon/cycling while wearing one, then your tire snags a rock or a stick, you fall off and smash your $2500 watch. No thank you! My Garmin 735xt is all I need!
I don't think this is for people who actually use them. These are for people who have lowered SUVs on slicks.
Btw these are made out of similar materials than the fenix so screen wise it's supper solid! There is a fenix 3 sapphire video you can check out = drill + fenix 3 screen = no damage 😋
I had a Fenix 3 before the 5. That F3 got well and truly beaten up and looked it and I was happy about that as I saw it as a tool and not an expensive timepiece.
Well yeah, but you could say the same of active people who wear Tags, Omegas, or Breitlings, except they'll be out a lot more than 2.5k. I don't feel with these products Garmin is trying to appeal to the "My 735xt is all I need" crowd.
@@cdamian I've put the Fenix 3 through incredible cycling spills and thrills. Still going strong after >3 years.
These are tools Guy. I categorically wanted a higher end, lux styled watch to do my running. Glad these came out. It is to be used and enjoyed.
Loving the suit !! Looking good Ray.
such an insane price!
not wanting to be nit-picking, but the moving map in the background at 12:15 is moving the wrong way.. Earth spins the other direction!
If Earth spun like this, then sun-rise would be in the west and sunset would be in the east..
cdh79 Maybe Garmin is trying to change the world...
...or maybe this plays a role with the GPS inconsistencies you had mentioned? :P
In any way, thanks (as always) for your great review!
Watch as the flat earthers swarm...
@@Julie-my6ds that'd be hilarious..
Lol! @@cdh79
I love my Fenix 6X Sapphire, but I drool over these Marq series watches. If I had the coin, I would buy one even though the tech would be outdated in a few years.
Nice suit Ray.............looking sharp!!!
Thanks!
Hey DC why would it be obsolete? If it is charged it will run right? It's just not up to date with the newest software.....or do you think otherwise?
Will be interested to see how the watch does in open water swim.
Anup Kulkarni hoping to find out in a few weeks.
@@Dcrainmaker thanks for your response.
As long as you don't press the button under water it should be fine. [cf 735xt, sorry for the irony]
i felt so guilty about buying a Fenix 5 Plus for 1000 CAD. Even the entry level one in here will cost 2000 CAD. So the athletic version will cost 1000 more for design, UI changes and some firstbeat analytics.
is this like a fenix 5x+ but in a fancy suit?
It's the Kylo Ren of Star Wars when we were all perfectly happy with Darth Vader.
Hard to beat a bit of honesty 😉
Thanks for the quick upload and great takes.
Thanks for all the reviews and tests! You are the best in this! :)
Thanks!!!
Ray, Garmin just released the Commander edition for the MARQ series. An update to this channel? :)
Good news of this collection is that some of this magic will trickle down to the fenix at some point in time. The Athlete is not that much more expensive in some regions than the sapphire Fenix's after release date. Question is who will want to beat up their +1.5K wristwatches without a single worry. Interesting evolution nonetheless Thanks for the detailed overview as always
Really like the Expedition but couldn’t justify the price. I’m considering the 5x+ that comes with the official leather strap in the box. Do you have any pictures of that one or a review. It’s difficult to quite see the colours on the Garmin site. Thanks
This is more of an exercise in branding and positioning than it is a near-term drive for profit. It will be interesting to see how Marq evolves and if it provides more pricing headroom for the lower-end lines. By the way, how was the tactile feel of the buttons?
The buttons are actually really good. I like the fact that I can endlessly rotate them too. :)
Interestingly these are similar to my Epix pro sapphire 51. Gonna look for a recent review to see what’s new but these are still beautiful pieces. Especially the mariner.
Great review, keep up the good work 👍
400 for a smart Watch is the most you should pay not a million dollars. 2500 HAHAHAHAH
Some mixed emotions here. I kind of like the way Garmin is going here, but they need to upgrade the display. I would like to se a higher resolution and maybe som real hands, kind of like the Vivomove HR. That would make it more classy.
Yeah, I don't really want to see a full Apple Watch type screen since battery is killer. But, I wish it was just a bit more bright (non-light). Super noticable today while trying to take photos of it next to an Apple Watch. Middle ground is what I want.
@@Dcrainmaker Totally agree on this one. They need to stay away from Apple and Samsung type screens. The non-light display is pretty unique but it is time for a upgrade.
100%. Seeing pixels and the second hand ticking along (more like jumping) is not expected at this price point. Should have no visible pixels and a smooth second hand if they want this considered a luxury watch, price alone doesn't cut it.
hey, does the price gives more advantage on battery life.
I've got several garmin devices now - my daily wear is a VA4. I use it to track general workouts, running, biking, but I also use its golf features pretty extensively. They just released the MARQ golfer which has some really compelling features without taking away the activity stuff I want (like the Approach series does) - but at $1800, that is a pill I'm not willing to swallow. I would, however, give it a second look if the screen were improved over the VA4, which, from reading the comments and watching the video, does not seem to be the case. I definitely do not want amoled, but at the very least, resolution needs to be improved on their screens to ask this much money.
Loving the new mic 😉
The Marq seems to be a 5plus with pulse ox added. Why do you think the battery life in smart watch mode is 12 days while the 6Pro is 14 days? Do they both have the Sony GPS?
Hi do you know if the golf functions are the same on all devices. I love the look of the aviator gen2 but don’t want to loose function on the golf gen 2
Which is best the marq commander or the tactix 7 pro??
Thx for the review! I'm a Fen5x+ user... I think they miss the mark on this series. Athletes want features and functionality. But I understand there is a market for this niche group and I would love to see the sales next year.
What based on the 5 when there is a 6 doesn’t make much sense???
Expeditions mode would be relevant if it was posibel to adjust the GPS record and turn the on and of. And have abc as well.
Two weeks would be sufficient for most with low battery use, gps and ABC.
Nice video! Only thing I don’t like is the overhead camera feels like it faces the wrong way.. I don’t know why but my brain expects it to be overhead and from your side of the table. Overall though great content, thanks!!
Yeah, I don’t really know why I had it oriented that way that day.
That is a beautiful watch!
I will have a hard time buying another Garmin GPS watch, I am on my 3rd Fenix three Sapphire due to various issues with them just flat not doing what Garmin says they are supposed to. Purchased a Fenix 5 for my Wife Christmas before last and it also has some issues with Altimeter/Barometer. Just hard to keep giving them money for things that don't work as advertised.
Fantast review, would have liked to watched your longer version.
I'm looking to purchase the Marq Athlete, question, should I or just purchase the Fenix 5 plus?
I enjoy your videos. I have owned a Garmin products since 201. Your point about the lifetime of these watches is a great one. The batteries don’t last more than 2 years and replacing them is not worth the cost. You may as well get a new one. However, I have found Polar to have a better battery. It has certainly lasted longer.
Goodluck at your highschool prom with that suit ray!!! :)
Is the black hybrid titanium (Driver edition) wirstband compatible with a normal fenix?
Proper sales man
Minus the part where I say I’d never buy them. 🤫
Yeah, i love Garmin watches better than any other sport watch out there. And don't even mind spending $1,500 on it. But one of the important things for me is weight. Lighter is better. I don't want the watch weighing me down. The MARQ athlete misses the mark on weight. Put all that tech in the new Forerunner 936, and you got yourself another best seller Garmin.
Any chance they will launch a golf version?
Actually, all editions include golf and preloaded courses too!
@@Dcrainmaker the mapping for golf mapping is comparable to Approach S60 (more detailed) compared to fenix series.
@@thestamsvideoproduction7427 Yeah, I haven't dug into the nuance of the golf features between the S60 and the Fenix series. My understanding is that this matches the Fenix series (the variant with pre-loaded course). Sorry!
@@Dcrainmaker no need to be sorry I was just offering more detail on the golf courses. Your videos are awesome. I love your site by the way!! Super in depth! Easily best on the web 😉
Nice production touch with the suit.
I see the point about tech moving on, but a camera and a phone are totally different when it comes to consumers buying.
But how I am looking at it, why buy these when you can get more or less the same functionality with a Fenix 5x Plus for a lot less. (For the athlete edition anyway)
You only have to look an example of this with the iPhone XR and XS. The XR offers more or less the same functionality at a reduced price and it’s a top seller for Apple. (According to the analysts)
As a consumer, I buy lots of tech. Some of it is a need and some is a want. I also have a nice collection of high end watches. But i am not tempted to even consider this watch, even though I do own the DLC Fenix 5x Plus.
My final point, Apple tried this with both the edition gold range and recently the ceramic edition. Despite all of Apples pulp and marketing, the company has given up again on the luxury line
How's this compare to the Fenix 6 line up at this point?
Identical in terms of features still.
"Those watches will become obsolete in few years" - But... My fathers Ambit 3 that I use for GPS with HR strap is still perfectly fine... :D Nothing obsolete in what it is.
The delta 2 PX is about $1000 , the Aviator Marq is almost double , what's the difference between the 2 and how does Garmin justify the price increase ?
Fancier parts apparently.
So I was curious about this so I compared the specs on the website since I'm just one of those people.... From what I can see your basically paying £700 more (right now) for the MARQ than the DELTA.
Breaking that down most of these fall under "Fancier parts".
Case material on the MARQ Aviator is also Titanium as opposed to "Fiber-reinforced polymer". Bezel is a blend of Ceramic and Titanium rather than just Titanium.
Then you have the more obvious Hardware changes: Gen 3 WRHM which I understand is supposed to feature a few improvements over previous versions (such as potentially better dealing with water between the sensor etc.). Also double the memory/storage of the P2.
Beyond that you have all the changes @DC Rainmaker already called out such as different GPS chipset etc. Presumably this device also includes all the latest hardware from recent updates so you will also see more of the latest feature releases for more software type of changes to provide things like BodyBattery and Heat and Altitude Acclimation.
I'm not an aviator but from watching the video I also understand each MARQ has its own "Party Trick" that also makes it stand out.
I would also imagine given the price and the components there is also a cost added on for "vanity" of the owner / premium price tag.
SUMMARY: Right now I'd say the way to think of the difference is like having the latest model of a car you really like or an upgrade to your latest phone but instead of going for just the upgrade you decide to chose the iPhone X Plus over the X....
It might not be for everyone but some will still pay the extra price.
P.s. I broke away from Apple for now in a love hate relationship so apologies if this reference is out of date...
Love your hard work man. Any feelings of the Opitcal Heart Rate changes? Is it better than the laggy-ish 5 series? My Apple watch series 4 put the Garmin I had to shame with HR accuracy, but I can't use the Apple watch for long. The battery doesn't make it with the training I do. I'm hoping they will trickle the new HR monitor design down into cheaper watches. If it's better, I'll wait. If it's not, no point in waiting.
Looking sharp Boss 👍
Is this also the new OP that we will see on the fenix watches?
Any word on how much of these features they're going to backport to the Fenix 5/5+ series?
ackthet I haven’t heard of anything there. But to be honest, there’s really only two tangible features. One is the Firstbeat widget thing I showed for race predictor, and the other is the Expedition mode. But I suspect that new Expedition mode is heavily tied to the new Sony GPS chipset.
@@Dcrainmaker I'm mostly interested in the beautified widgets!
How's the screen resolution? I had the Chronos and ended up returning it after a month because it was so difficult to read.
Hi Ray, I have seen the Marq Aviator RRP £1799 for £1079. I was going for a fenix 7 but in your opinion, at this discounted price is it worth going for the aviator even if I won't use the aviation features?
I should add that I just want all day health tracking with some workouts including cycling, running and fitness training. Sleep tracking etc.
When Apple becomes the reasonable, better featured, affordable option.
To be fair, Apple still offers options isn’t that price range as well.
better featured? XD
The Athlete and the Adventurer edition are obsolete already. The fenix 6 plus range has the same software & functionality. The only real difference is the build quality, but not worh the price difference imho.
How many of the widget changes will make it onto the current Fenix and forerunner 935 series?
Can they each do the functions of each other? Example, I like the look of the aviator but need the driver and expedition functions. I personally use a 5x plus for motorcycle touring adventures(maps, with bluetooth directions), fitness and I do own a race car.. If they are only for each watches name(aviator cant do drivers functions) then which one fits me?
what type of display is used? how many colors?
Video starts at 3:16
Will we see some of that trickle down to the 935?
Arnþór Gíslason Not likely in the current version, but I suspect this sets the stage for what to expect in future iterations.
Thanks - I trust your reviews on Garmin from past experience and it does not bode well if the GPs chip is not that great on such an expensive watch - I like the look of it though
I'm new to buying these smartwatches. I'm a pool and open water swimmer, would it be wise for me to buy (considering if outdated soon) the Garmin 735xt in 2019 or go with recent Garmin 5? Thanks
I’d honestly split the difference and get the FR935. It’s what I prefer.
@@Dcrainmaker totally appreciated
i have the 935 tri for exactly that very reason, plus running and golf..
no Garmin pay (don't care) and no onboard music (would be convenient for running, but no dealbreaker) and with the included black strap it doesn't really stand out like some of the other colors, so you can still wear it daily or with more elegant clothing if needed..
If you mainly want to go swimming, I'd take a watch that is really waterproof. The 735xt is rated for 3bar (30m) which in theory should be fine, but there are many complaints about the watch stopping to work while being in the water. And Garmin even states in the manual that you should better not press the buttons while under water. To me, this is a no-go.
The 935 has some awesome training feature that training load and training effect too 😉.
Is there any way to remove GOLF from a Garmin Descent MK1?
When you say remove do you mean - when you go to the activities list you no longer wish to see it OR do you mean remove it completely from the device?
James Greenwood I have no desire to see anything relating to Golf. Golf takes up space in Connect and other places it seems to be the one activity that cannot be hidden or removed.
@@jedisdad2265 you can modify it in Garmin connect mobile:
Open the app
Select your device (top right)
Select activities and apps and more
Select activities and applications
Then select which ones you want to remove
Hope this helps 😉. Descent is a nice bit of kit!!
Hi Ray
Thanks for the reviews. I went on Garmin website and seen that they have a SCUBA Diving smart watch. I’m a scuba diver and use a dive computer. Is there anyway you can do a review on the SCUBA DIVING ONE???
Thanks
Ask and you shall receive! www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/10/garmins-descent-mk1-diving-gps.html
Rainmaker - love your stuff, especially the website which has been my goto place for years. About this watch series... just my opinion, but this is rubbish. The price does not even come close to justifying what utility you actually get out of the watch. I am a long-time Garmin user, starting with the 310xt (ugly by today's standards ;-)), then the 910xt, I then moved on to the original Fenix, then the Fenix 3. I stopped there because I could not see the purchase of the Fenix 5 as being justified... This now is simply outrageousness :-)
希望Garmin MARQ能增加,太陽能,觸控面板,led照明功能,謝謝
Great video! Thank you for it!
Do you think the Garmin Fenix 6 will come out in 2019?
Thank you!
The plus is fenix 6. They went with plus rather then a new number.
surprising lack of footage of the watches.
No mention anywhere about the water resistance rating . That's a very important thing to overlook. Is is 1 atm? 10? 100? Garmin doesnt show it on their website and your everything you will ever need to know post also contains zero info.
Does show on the website in the specifications.. FYI all the MARQ's are 10 ATM rated.... Not sure you can find a 100 ATM rated true smartwatch yet - but if you do please post the link :)
Thank you
New charging port?
Yup, sadly.
0:34 something happened witht the sound
their website I useless .. is their any website .. that I can compare specs side by side
I'd buy an American made Music Man Stingray which will work perfectly for decades to come and hold value really well. A Forerunner 235 suits me just fine ;-)
Hm. I'd rather like to see Garmin fix their Fenix 5+ firmware instead releasing a similar set of watches for 3-5 times the price of a 5+. But ya, I don't understand business obviously.
what´s wrong with the firmware?
So I can understand your stand point on thinking these will not compete with tech in the next 6 years but you're wrong on them being done and dusted at that point. The dentures they offer don't go bad... honestly with what they offer, there isn't anything else needed from a GPS watch
Except batteries do actually degrade. And in 4-6 years the batteries will likely be a fraction of what they are today.
@@Dcrainmaker I won't disagree with ya there at all. Luckily these come with setting to make the most out of the battery. By the time this thing degrades enough to be a head ache, I will have gotten my moneys worth out of it and then some. Have the expedition and the entire next year I will be hiking through all the national parks in the states. Shooters choice I guess. If ya bought something like this and not utilizing it for what it is, then yea waste of money
I had the finex 5. I did not like the washed screen and the very inaccurate heart rate in what was supposed to be a watch for sports. I hope those pricy versions are better.
why should i get this watch?
I wore Breitlings for about ten years before I finally switched to Fenix. While I appreciate Garmin trying to dress up sports watches--which are all rather bland and industrial--I don't see myself getting one of these. No amount of bling (even tastefully done) on a sports watch will give it the exclusivity and artistic relevance of high-end mechanical diving or racing watches.
I feel like these MARQs are aimed at this awkward middle ground. In the case of practicality, my Fenix 5 Plus does everything these MARQ watches do. If someone wants to dress up or show off, a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling will always be more classy and expensive than a Garmin.
Kinda disagree with the "it will be obsolete in a few years or 2-4 years" thinking. More like 5-10 years imo (if you are OK with not having some of the latest tech & features). But yeah ultimate it is a lot of money and still not going to last very long.
If the GPS in this watch turns out to have GPS issues it’s a No Go no matter what the price is.
My god you might as well have published a Harry Potter novel with how long that post looked.
That’s my goal!
You really think the tech will be obsolete in a few years? Garmin hasn't added fundamental new features/sensors in a long time.
Still not solar powered - I just went for a Casio Rangeman - beautiful display, basic nav but main reason - solar powered GPS position. Garmin are still tied to a flawed display - it may be colour but there's no dynamic range/contrast. I wonder how long they will continue to milk the cow...
Nice look in suit. Maybe unbutton the jacket sitting down?
Great walkthrough as always.
:) 2:13
@@Dcrainmaker I know - a compromise to make ;-) Keep doing what you do. I bought lots of stuff (multiple Forerunner watches, Aeropod, Vector 3 set, Neo, Edge units, GoPro etc.) after consulting your blog with brilliant reviews.
@@KristianKlitgaard Thanks! Out of curiosity - how's the Aeropod coming along?
@@Dcrainmaker It worked well and working in IT I didn't have any issues with the Isaac software or setting up different profiles for my road bikes and the P3-triathlon bike. However I was able to buy a brand new Vector 3 set for half the price - therefore the PowerPod has been sold last year.
$ 2k and more Smartwatch and the display resolution is just 240×240? That's a sad joke! It remember me on the first Nintendo Game Boy...
In my opinion the Fenix 5 series are over priced... these are ridiculous! I certainly wont be getting one!
Worth it this watch -60% off in 2023???