Scarier Than A Mountaintop Landing...
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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You talk at the start about the others you fly with also being apprehensive about flying in controlled airspace and talking on radios, so you steer clear. This means as time goes on your saturation point will become lower. Why not go out with one of these friends in the same aircraft and take turns - one flies, the other works the radios, then switch. You’re comfort level will increase quickly when you’re only concentrating on one thing, whether that be flying the aircraft or dealing with the radio. Eventually you’ll get your groove back.
Darren Keast that is an excellent idea! I learned and taught others how to handle flight following by doing just that
Very good idea!
Darren Keast That's a great idea!
This is a very good idea...we do this in EMS as well... It makes sense, I imagine the commercial flights are doing something similar....👍👍👍👍
Excellent idea!
I imagine it’s kind of like driving on the freeway being surrounded by cops. You have no reason to be nervous, but you are.
I do, in fact, know just what you mean.
Yes
That’s exactly it.
LOL. Was a Motor Officer for 11 years of my 28+ years total LEO. I Loved having fun with fellow motorists when working. No worries folks.
This is exactly the feeling
You did just fine ! We aren’t that scary 🤗🤗
PS. That’s me on the other end !
Approach Control or Tower?
TowerFlower InControl So cool!
Yep still scary!! Talk way to fast for my country ears to follow,,
Tower!
That’s cool you commented on his post. Very cool.
When he says “radar contact I see you at 1,600”
You say “ that’s a big 10 4 good buddy, rolling on strong at 16 lookin for some open black top to set this rig down on breaker breaker”
Or just say...bleep blop ack ack ack..ack ack..speak Zorg to them
Eric with three last names. Lol
"I can't hold them, there's too many of em !" "Stay on target ! Stay on target !" "It's just like shooting Whomp rats back at Beggar's Canyon" are all acceptable responses.
I just about fell off my stool laughing so hard
Proper response: “position checks”
Airline pilot here. You did great, sounded like you knew what you were doing and the nerves didn’t come across on the radio.
Nothing to be nervous about, when I’m flying around and hear you guys on the radio I’m jealous that you’re out having fun while I’m working. Love your videos.
Your only radio call that made me smirk was reading back, “winds calm” on takeoff. Good work getting out of your comfort zone, Trent!
@@jeeefthegreat7555 wtf dude
@@jeeefthegreat7555 Don't project yourself onto others...
@@jeeefthegreat7555 Do you even fly airplanes? Or are you just here to act like a jerk? Only pilots are allowed to be jerks.
@@jeeefthegreat7555 Count me in!
yep all you gotta say is fly runway heading, cleared for takeoff 8JJ. not as bad as my worst call by any means when I said the F*** word over the radio after being cleared to land.
The tower is so professional...you know they were thinking how awesome it was to have the Freedom Fox at their airport!!!
Talking to ONE CONTROLLER - panic.
Talking to a quarter million RUclips viewers, - no problem.
ljfinger 🤣🤣🤣
I would suggest that Trent try get rid of some fier w/ Tower!3D Air Traffic Control | Flight Simulator (probably would help)
- practice more practice! Fight fire w/ fire !
Nenad Kralj I don’t see how that analogy applies but yeah, Trent requires the practise
Talking to RUclips, if it goes bad = downlikes
Talking to Tower, if it goes bad = death
thing is that he's talking to a camera
Tower: "Say intentions" Me: "Well I hope to have private pilot training done in about a month, then I want to start on my Instrument rating, maybe one day CFI"
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@@TrentonPalmer Thanks for the vids... super motivational!
Haha, this just happened to me the other day...
YES! 🤣
did you get it done??
When I was a student pilot in the late 70's, my instructor told me all you ever have to do is tell ATC who you are, where you are and what you want to do. It's never failed. You DON"T have to sound like a line captain. BTW.... you did GREAT.
As someone who flies out of Charlie's and Delta's all the time, you did fine!
responding "affirm" is your best friend :)
Wilco and say again are also pretty good buddies :D
@@yoshyoka "Say again" is the motto of GA
@@BmHabib017 :D
Brian flying in Delta airspace can get really stressful
Me would be "Say What.....Repeat Please! Grounded. #must confess - - non pilot
Reminds me when I first started to call in air strikes and artillery.
Yer that would be intense.
@@Gladius7 Very. Just like Trent you don't want to bother or cause harm to anyone because of you doing something wrong. Danger Close were the worse though, but at the time you don't have time to think about it.
@@jaytrock3217 Mate Thank you for your service. Yep that would be crazy no second guessing your self I bet. Have you seen a Movie called "Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan" Its an Australian movie you might like it. I am Aussie to btw. But worth a look.
Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan - Official Trailer ruclips.net/video/_E0J11-rB7Q/видео.html
@@jaytrock3217 i know that feeling. Only one thing worse tho...
That split second after calling for fire and even tho you checked several times you think...
Did i just give the target grid or my own... Your eyes shoot to where you wrote it and a sigh of relief comes over
I learned in class C, but now days, flying 99.9% in the backcountry/off-airport etc. I feel the exact same way. Much rather face a short landing on a hill than deal with ATC.... lol.... funny how that works. I force myself to do the same thing you did now and then and it does help.... but it also gives me a headache and high blood pressure and I'm sure shaves my life expectancy down a bit!
LOL, You did great man. Talking on the radio was probably the most intimidating part of flight training for me. Flying in Socal busy airspace you've got no choice but to talk someone over the radio while your right hand is constantly pushing buttons to change frequencies. Intimidating at first but you learn to pick things up in no time.
yo mojo luv your stuff alot, keep it up
Hey bro love your stuff.
I was a cop for 20 years. When I first started I felt the same anxiety when talking to my dispatcher. I was afraid I wouldn't understand her, then look stupid to others with a panicked reply. It all went away when my FTO told me to slow down and think before I spoke. The extra second or two is not an issue. The anxiety at times, was almost crippling; I hated talking on the radio. I was originally taught to "get on and off" the radio; making transmissions quick but, until I got comfortable, I had to slow down.
FF here, I always tell cadets "It's a push-to-talk button, not a push to think button".
As a young pilot who flew in towered airspace only twice, it makes me feel less alone when I see someone with a lot of flying experience like you feel uncomfortable in controlled airspace.
So thanks for that !
(also english isn't my main language so sorry if i did any mistakes)
I agree.
English is my first language, your's was spot on way better than my english :)
English isn’t my 1st either, it’s East Texan, but I’m able to stumble through. It’s amazing how well those ATC dudes can handle just about any semblance of English or foreign accent.
Steve Bodine- East Texan ,LOL!
I've mentioned several places that I got my airman's certificate in college and did not fly for 30 years and that I recently started flying again, My instructor, who had also a decade-long gap in his flying experience, mentioned that mike fright was probably going to be a thing. Even though we fly out of a controlled field, I was skeptical because I had trained originally at a class charlie airport, but it definitely was a problem. What I wound up doing was listening to LiveATC at that airport and pretending that every ATC call was for me, and I'd say the appropriate response out loud back to them. It seemed to work for me.
I’m literally sitting in science class day dreaming of flying... sees Trent posts a video!!!
As someone who did all of their flight training in class D and C airspace, ATC wasn’t ever something that scared me. It gets much easier the more you work with them, and 90% of controllers are nice people. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes because mistakes are how we learn! And just remember, controllers are humans just like you. As always, love the videos Trent. Hope to someday see the Freedom Fox in person.
Only 90? :^)
“I might be a little rusty with towers so I’m going to fly into one.”
*chooses a busy class C airspace*
Could've been a Bravo
There is no other tower airport near Reno
Always a good day when a TP video posts. Enjoy your content greatly.
The guys in the Alaska Airlines plane are probably saying holy crap its Trent Palmer !!!!!!
David Tesch 🤣🤣🤣
LMAO. I was thinking they probably wish they were flying that KitFox. But your comment cracked me up.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’d have said hi if that had been me.
One of the coolest things about aviation is that there’s always another challenge if you want it.
It takes a real pilot to show a video like this. My favorite one so far!
Every controller I know is more than happy to do a tower or center tour and help with anything you have questions about. Also flying with an instructor or getting a radio and just sit near an airport and listen or tune to departure, center, and arrival freqs. But I think the best would be to find an instructor or friend to fly with you who has more experience with BCD airspace and can talk you through it. Practice is the name of our game
You have as much right to be there and do what you want as any other aircraft! Don’t feel rushed, do what you need to do! It takes PRACTICE! You did well Trent!
I chuckled through the whole video. I fly out of Chino’s Towered airport and experience all that you demonstrated. It gets seriously more challenging when the operators are speeding up their communications because they have a lot of traffic. Sometimes I have difficulty just getting in touch with them as they are so busy with other traffic. Sometimes a 360 turn is the only way to avoid their space as you wait your turn on the radio. I think you handled it well. Im looking forward to some off airport stuff after 130 hours in my Kitfox now.
Hat off to you sir all that chatter give a lot of low time pilots the willies!! Very intimidating!!!
Chino is a fun place, did my first few hours of training there. You're not kidding when you say that place gets busy, flight school planes, warbirds, and biz jets all day!
At least he's not one of those guys who keys the mic and then rambles on forever.
I have flown over to Flo's for many years. Some weekends it can be very busy on the radio there.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that gets befuddled in CT airports
Trent, pilot edge is a great tool to practice communicating with ATC efficiently and effectively. Im a student pilot and its helped me gain confidence without leaving my house.
You can use it with a lof fightsim programs...Jon Fy uses them in his videos...Good advice!!!
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So is ‘Say It Right’ @ Air Safety Institute on the AOPA or Wings websites.
Back when I was a student pilot on class B KLAX Airspace I used to get really nervous like that. I flew through the active Dodger Stadium TFR and was asked to call a number on landing. That was the scariest day of the year!
Dude I completely understand your anxiety 100% man. That shit stresses me out just watching videos of people doing it.
I share the same struggles, I own and fly a Mooney and most places that my wife and I go, I try to avoid towers if possible. I'm based at an uncontrolled field as well. You actually sound seasoned on the radio compared to most pilots I hear while on frequency. Rock on man!
I enjoyed your video. I am a firefighter who spends every summer in California fighting fires with the National Guard as a crew member. I think it is great/amazing that you are willing to create a video demonstrating ones insecurities. EVERYONE has felt what you felt on this video. It is great to share.
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I feel so much better knowing you hate and struggle with controlled air space and tower talk. It’s the one and only reason I haven’t got my pilot license yet. Love what you do, keep up the great work!!
We're neighbors, I 4wheel near your runway all the time
I was an Air Traffic Controller for the Army, and being based under the 2000 ft shelf of the Houston class B airspace, I am constantly talkint to ATC in some way. I still stumble on my words. I get flight following 90% of the time I fly, and I can tell you, even the commercial pilots mess it up.
Hey Trent, I learned in a Class C towered airport, John Wayne in Orange County. Sometimes, you can reply with your N# (last three if already been talking to them). After you have repeated your instructions and they give you more information, sometimes just before landing, you can respond with your last three to acknowledged the transmission. We live in super crowded airspace and sometimes have to wait to talk to SoCal Approach because they are so busy. And sometimes we are #3 following others and landing parallel to large aircraft. (There is a different tower radio for each runway) Good practice though! Glad to see you doing it. I remember how daunting it was to work the radio as a student and doing all the solo cross countries in the busy airspace. And I am still working on my tailwheel endorsement but have no plans for landing on mountain tops! Will start with big open deserts...
"Argh, I didn't say my tail number again!" - at least you didn't refer to them as your home airfield. Twice...
Probably the most honest aviation video I’ve ever watched. Great job!
My bonafides: Commercial/Instrument, trained at OPF in the '60s when it was the busiest airport in the world. 30 years in ATC, 25 of them in Chicago. I confess I was a center controller, but from our side, the rules/comms are exactly the same, center or tower. Here are a couple of observations:
Don't get hung up on saying your callsign. When you're engaged in a series of transmissions which are obviously between you and the controller, it's patently apparent who you are. There is no need to engage in a rogering contest using your callsign on each transmission. It's also not necessary to read back EVERYthing. "318JJ, wind calm, runway 16R, cleared for takeoff," really only needs the read back on cleared to go, and frankly, in that specific instance, your accelerated movement onto the runway and down it is a pretty good substitute for a verbal readback.
Although I've been retired a long time (22 years today), I've been nauseated by the increase in the use of the nauseaatingly Hollywood terms of "roger that", and "copy that". Every "roger" (the approved phraseology) is an implicit acknowledgement of "that". And I don't recall seeing "copy" as a synonym to "roger" anywhere in the ATP (our procedures manual). Nothing is improved by adding "that". I'm sure I'm an increasingly minority opinion as I'm hearing it more and more even on the controller side. Doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Just keep in mind that what a controller wants to hear on initial call up is "who am I, where am I, what do I want to do?" The rest is conversation. You ask, I respond. And no one in ATC, especially in the towers, is out to write up a pilot for poor phraseology. I say "especially in the towers" because that's where the lowest common denominator of flying experience is found. In the center, 99% of the users are instrument rated, which implies an advanced level of training and experience. At the towers, there are a lot of FLIB drivers with wet licenses. As a controller, we want to treat them equally. Sometimes that's beyond their competence level, but it doesn't take a lot to better the experience. Also keep in mind that a lot of controllers are also pilots.
So cool you took time to respond. Thanks!
roger wilco that!
I was sweating while you did this. Its hard to believe how a simple thing like this is so stressful. Wow.
To be fair, what you do would probably scare the pants off ‘normal’ pilots. (For lack of a better term)
I think "pants" is a good term. Maybe you could have said "britches." :)
I know... I crack myself up.
“Normal” pilots who undertake flight training are usually trained on basic radio communication in class C airspace. And should know how to communicate with other pilots. Lol
@@tb-eo3xj Pretty sure he was referring to the off-airport landings and mountain top takeoffs.
I mean, I always wait to watch his videos until I have to poop. Just watching some of the landings and t/o's he performs scares the sh*t out of me.
I don't even fly, but I can see where I would rather land anywhere but someplace that crowded
Love the humility. Simple solution to the apprehension, get your instrument rating! Controlled airspace will feel trivial
The most stressful part of my training. Thanks for taking me back there. (Stress level 10.) 😂🤣 Great job!!
"Position checks" instead of "sounds correct." Or you could have even just said your abbreviated callsign alone as an acknowledgement. The important thing is to read back instructions. Additional info can be acknowledged with your callsign or "Roger, [callsign]".
Now I know why my plane was late taking off from RNO, it was because Trent was out there playing around.
I love Northern Nevada.
I've always been nervous about getting my PL because of having to talk to ATC. Thanks for sharing that some experienced pilots even get nervous.
The only mistake I really caught was ready for takeoff call. Only the tower says takeoff . We as pilots tell them we are ready for departure or ready in sequence. But still no big deal don't beat yourself up brother. Keep doing what you're doing and believe me it'll get easier and more automatic.
Well I just learned something! Thanks man!
I wasn't really intending to criticize truthfully but they did just recently began enforcing that phraseology supposably that help to prevent runway incursions. Keep up the great work and awesome videos thanks Trent and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@@kevincollins8014Its always good to get input to perfect our phraseology. If ever I meet a controller, Id like to ask what are pilots most annoying wrong calls.
"We as pilots tell them we are ready for departure or ready in sequence." Or November XXX holding short 16 Right.
I agree. Only the tower says "take off". When I'm cleared for takeoff, I reply " Nxxxx is rolling on xx, ..." (Technically it's more correct to always end with your tail number, but it's better declarative English with N number first.). I am always impressed, if not appreciative, by how towers are usually very accepting of nonstandard phraseology as long as it presents no ambiguity.
That was a little awkward. 😎 I'm your polar opposite.
I learned to fly out of Chicago Midway and had to deal with ATC and commercial airline traffic from day one. Intimidating, but by the time I soloed, no big deal.
Bush landing? Never. 😄
Same, I have that experience out of KAUS. It's just something different I guess. You learn it with all the ATC and now when you have a lack of ATC feels weird to me.
Same here , got trained in the North with two flight schools and a large cargo hub ..... steady jabbering
@@duncandmcgrath6290 it just adds that comfort in the back of mind.
Just Another Aviator lol my CFI called his 172 the flying radio.
Just Another Aviator yh uncontrolled feels a bit unsafe to me sometimes haha. Like I have to be on high alert the whole time cuz there could be a guy flying in without a radio or doing an opposite traffic pattern to me. With atc I just feel safe knowing they control everything hahah.
One of my first flights back into towered airspace after a 13 year break in flying I circled outside the delta for about 20 minutes trying to get the courage up to make the initial radio call lol
Dude this is great. I'd say it's refreshing to know I'm not the only one who gets flustered or feels overwhelmed with controlled airspace... thanks for being vulnerable and willing to show the not-so-cool but human side of flying. I think that is what is so awesome about Aviation is you should always be getting better and learning.
lol, I learned in a class D, so I get freaked out when there is no tower
Lol, yeah, same here :D I know my procedures around towered airport, but I am a bit at a loss as to what to say around uncontrolled ones.
Same, class D under a class C, uncontrolled freak me out.
@@nathansasse4655 I learned uncontrolled but under the Sea-Tac C and right up against the Renton Delta... my whole life was doing everything in my power to stay above local patterns but below the C and clear of the Ds.
So kinda like swimming in a pool with no lifeguard and just a sign that says "swim at your own risk"?
Same! Class C. I'm far more comfortable in ATC - it's like someone's holding my hand. Not like the wild wild west of class G
When you are told about traffic near you, there are only two responses necessary. "Traffic in sight" or "negative contact". Don't overthink it. Don't say looking for traffic. When departing behind a larger aircraft, you can tell the tower that you will offset 100 yards (left or right) for wake turbulence, then when departing once airborne, go ahead and offset but still fly runway heading. I have never had them deny this request.
@@ryanthomas2472Please read and become more knowledgeable about proper communications. The Pilot/Controller Glossary is the FAA official document on the subject: www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/media/pcg_4-03-14.pdf
No where in that document is there mention of "looking for traffic".
Per the above document, the proper response is: NEGATIVE CONTACT− Used by pilots to inform
ATC that:
a. Previously issued traffic is not in sight. It may
be followed by the pilot’s request for the controller to
provide assistance in avoiding the traffic
Yes, pilot phraseology has gotten much worse over the years. When you think about it, saying "looking" is just as meaningless as saying "flying". Of course you are looking, are you ever going to say "not looking". All the controller wants to know is do you have the traffic in sight or not. They don't care how you go about seeing it. I guess "looking" is better than "feeling" which would mean an inflight crash. Controllers will figure out what you mean, but it tells them right away that you may need extra attention.
Another sloppy transmission is saying "with you" when first contact after a frequency change. Obviously you are "with them", you are on the frequency. You are just wasting bandwidth. You should say your altitude and if you are climbing, descending or level. So it should sound like "Reno approach, Cessna 12345, level eight thousand five hundred".
„Ready for take-off“ 😱 One of the main factors of the Tenerife accident and the reason why the changed the phrase. Loving the video though. Keep it up!
One of the things I like best about aviation is that ALL pilots have both a regular normal voice, and a strange radio voice... and yup, controllers too!
I love all your videos Trent but this is one of your top ones. It was a very honest insight into your life as an airman. Thanks for sharing.
“That which we persist in doing becomes easier to do, not that the nature of the thing has changed but that our power to do has increased.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson
Good on ya for doing the hard things. That takes character.
BBFour I like that!
Hi Trent, I enjoy your videos!
I fly an Airbus at work and a drone for fun......
😉 If it makes you feel any better I’ve heard much worse so called”awkwardness” by actual airline pilots on the radio. You are doing fine radio work and all it really comes down to is familiarity. Sometimes just responding with your call sign (letting them know you’ve heard) them is all that is really needed especially in situations where there’s no proper response)Keep up the great work sir!
Didnt know a kitfox came with a "hot seat", lol.....
Fun to watch, speaking as a CFI, CFI-I, MEI, ATP, four type ratings, and current major airline pilot. You did better than you felt like you did. A little unrefined, but clear, concise, and aware. Well done, bro!
I'm a student pilot (almost done) and the worst part for me is the taxi instructions..."taxi via Lima 1, Lima, Delta, cross 14 L, right at Sierra, cross 18, to Sierra Hotel, hold short 14 R" only to have them call back in 30 seconds to change it to "taxi via Lima 1, Lima, Delta, cross 14 L, Left at Sierra, Right at Tango, cross 32 L onto Echo, right on Alpha, cross 36, Alpha to Alpha Hotel, hold short 14 R"...or something along those lines
When Nor Cal states your position, all you need to say back is “position checks” if what he said matches your position. Keep it short and simple!
Or just, roger. They're telling you where you are, not asking.
Hey Trent! Im a Approach contoller and most pilots say "position checks" when we radar contact them if that helps. but I don't think there's set phraseology for that and I think your transmissions sounded great 👍
Being an airline pilot we all do it. A lot of Class B have their own “lingo” and procedures so even we get tripped up sometimes when flying to unfamiliar Bravos.
LOL @ requesting “stop & go” - DENIED 🙅♂️
I thought a stop and go was a bit hopeful too!
I think she had to. If that airbus had to go around, we wouldn't want it to go *through* Trent.
I’ve been flying for about 25 years. I had the same problem being uncomfortable using the Radio going into controlled airports. Just like doing STOL Landings, it takes practice, practice, practice. That was an excellent video!
Thanks for sharing this. You are not alone (at all) with your apprehensions.
A kindred spirit. By far the most difficult part of getting my pilot certificate was ... understanding what ATC [and other airplanes] are saying over the radio. And even when I could, to figure out what they mean or want is sometimes difficult or impossible. Great to hear Trent avoids ATC and controlled airspace as diligently as I do! Hahaha. BTW Trent, here is a free (sleazy) tip. When you first contact ATC (especially at a busy airport), tell ATC you're a student pilot. That sometimes helps a fair bit.
ha ha, he's known on RUclips by far too many!
Well Trent, I'm a professional controller and I don't sound any better when I talk to a VFR controller.
When I started my IFR training and was in busy airspace I was the same as you are now, it was stressful AF, but after a dozen flights in busy airspace you get used to it , don’t worry too much about forgetting your tail number, if you’re responding with the information they’re looking for and your voice hasn’t changed in the last few seconds then they know it’s you and the time on freq is less
Agree. Don't sweat the call sign thing. Also, getting instrument rating will get you comfy with ATC real quick!
Same here. I got my primary training at a rural airport and did not do a lot of work at controlled fields, though did some for my cross countries. However, it was the instrument training and rating that really got me comfortable. I also will mention that a tower tour is very helpful also. Seeing things from the controller’s perspective and just talking with them and seeing that they are just like us can be very helpful.
LTVoyager absolutely right on.
@@LTVoyager And comforting. Definitely take a tower tour.
You nailed it, dude! Read back instructions, acknowledge everything else with your tail number.
"November Eight Juliet Juliet radar contact a half mile southeast of the Reno/Stead Airport, I show you at 1600 feet."
"November Eight Juliet Juliet."
Student pilot here, totally agree about the tower/radio stuff. When I went on the first solo I wrote down the ground and tower calls on the kneeboard and repeated it out loud what felt like a million times while taxiing down alpha. Just takes practice, I'm not there yet but after more radio interactions I'm a little more comfortable. You did way better than me man, at least you calmly play off the hiccups instead of freezing.
Kudos for stepping out of your comfort zone.Just takes practice.
"Position/altitude checks: after they pick you up on radar
When ATC gives you “Radar contact, 1 mile south of Stead at 6,800”, An easy response is “ Position Checks, 8JJ”..... controller now knows what he is seeing is correct and accurate and he is looking at correct target.......
Hey Trent. Airline guy and RV4 owner here at KLHM. Thought you did really well! I operate in that environment every day, all over the world. Still make plenty of mistakes!! Many of the controllers are also pilots, so they get it. It is intimidating, but I try to encourage my buddies to do what you did.
One of the hardest things is just taxing around these big airports. We recommend reviewing the taxi diagram ahead of time and have a plan for when you’re clear of the runway. See you on the radio!!
I know ag pilots with over 12000 hours that are scared of flying into controlled airspace, their radio work is rusty at best. But that’s how they fly, their knowledge of the airspace they fly into and their situational awareness is amazing.
I started my flight lessons at a towered airport to get used to talking with ATC. Makes it much easier to get comfortable with it.
You did great, and I read a controller’s comment that when continuing back and forth ‘information’ you do not have to give your N or even part of it each and every time, they know who you are, but sign off with it. At times, just acknowledge with your short call sign, like when switching from tower to Departure and say See ya, or Gooday at the end. When acknowledging critical information, like cleared for take-off, crossing runways, cleared to land, then it is always correct to read back the ‘instruction’ and your full or partial contact . On initial contact always say your type aircraft. If the controller shortens your contact to the last three numbers/letters, then that’s the contact you use. If you hear a call sign similar to your own, then call with your type and full call sign. I really want to hear the tower say, ‘Alaska 321 cleared to land 9R, Caution wake turbulence, Freedom Fox just landed 9R’....LOL. You can listen to LIVEATC.com at certain large airports to tower and ground for the dialog. See ya! 🛫😎
I did all my training in Class B airspace as a private pilot. I feel very similar about non-controlled airspace. I suppose it's what you're used to. I didn't like flying with a CTAF at all. It is great to get out of that comfort zone and do new things. Thank you for sharing.
Trent, great idea for a video. We all have our things we are used to. Thanks for reminding us that we are all learning, all the time.
As a retired Controller .. just acknowledge and say "Roger".
At busier tower controller airports. They usually will not approve Stop and Go's .
"Eight-Juliett-Juliett, I got a number for you to copy when you're ready." 😁
LOL - Haven't had it happen to me yet, but have heard it a few times on the radio.
Got my license well before 9/11 so was able to visit several control towers to just hang around and listen to the chatter. Also had a great tower tape from Oshkosh that helped understand how to communicate. Always found controller folks to be very patient and courteous.
Repatician, nervousness GONE. Piece of cake!
Radio is my biggest nemesis ... I'm very accustomed to police/fire and military police chatter, but aviation chatter frightens me... just something about talking on that radio and other pilots listening, almost get the feeling that I'll forget something, be laughed at for inexperience, or something along those lines....yuck...LOL...
I'm the opposite. I'm learning at a Class D and when I fly into an untowered I butcher the comms
Same sorta thing with me. Got my license at a BUSY airport in class C surrounded by all sorts of altitude restricted airspace due to the large international airport nearby. Coms in that environment are easy peezy, but get me to into an uncontrolled airport and I'm always fumbling my words and worrying if I said the right thing lol
Same
Learning flight in South Florida, where we have to talk to everyone... I have to admit that in flight communications with control has always been my most painful thing to do... Getting clearances and instructions down on the knee board and then making sense of it all was a hoot! Dropping a LIKE on your video! Watching and Supporting! Watching further... that ENTIRE experience is EXACTLY how I felt every single time I flew!
Did awesome. Thanks for sharing so openly
I learned how to fly at a towered airport so when I go to non towered I'm freaked out
I’ve been a private pilot for more than 30 years, and when people asked me what the most difficult part of flying is, without hesitation I say “ATC.“ I had the “advantage“ of doing all of my training at what was at that time the busiest airport in the United States in number of take offs and landings, so venturing out to non-towered airports and only needing to talk to other pilots was pure luxury.
Controller for ten years here, you did great. If the controller was confused about who you were those few times you forgot to sign your transmitions they would have asked, no big deal. ATC is just a conversation about safety.
I’m more scared about flying into uncontrolled airports lol
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Thanks for sharing what we all go through while learning to talk the intense and intimidating Tower Talk.
As a member of the 'not a pilot yet' crowd I can so empathize with the intimidation of the radio and thank you so much for sharing this. It's actually comforting to see others do what I might also do in similar situations.
It's actually encouragement to be better on the radio, at least for me.
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for being real and showing how many of us would feel who aren't slick willies on the radio....Flying is amazing and communicating with the tower is intimidating especially with major alines in front of you and behind you..Sucks all the air out of your lungs...lol
Needs more class b, i remember my first lesson was in Houston airspace. Super difficult to grasp
So many pilots are so and would never have posted themselves struggling like you did here. Very cool that you are humble enough to do so.
I fly on the side. Only have a couple hundred hours. Only fly a couple times a month so I often feel rusty.
Thanks for putting yourself out there. It helps us non-professionals feel part of the community.
Hearing you being nervous makes me feel a lot better
It’s definitely intimidating talking to a tower. Better to talk too much and let them know exactly what you are doing than say nothing at all. Tower controllers surprisingly are not aviation nazis, and are a lot more chill than you think.
Anytime you have the opportunity to visit the Tower, please do !
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Great advice, except for the part about better to talk too much. Hogging the frequency with needless chatter is probably the one thing that ticks off controllers. Using nonstandard terminology is one thing, but holding the frequency is another. Just say exactly what you need, repeat back what they said concisely, and if they need anything they'll ask.
TowerFlower InControl yeah..controllers are always hungry..I gained 35 lbs working in NYARTCC, many years ago.. pilots should always interact with controllers, and both sides can see the real people on both ends...
I’d think as ATC they definitely want you talking as much as possible.
Travis Bohanan imagine you’re a controller and just noticed somebody made a wrong turn and is on a course to intersect another aircraft. Would you like to wait until the pilot checking in finishes telling you his life story to be able to fix the problem? Standard phraseology is terse for a reason.
"Most airports around the country are non-towered, no requirement to have a radio to fly into there and how you talk on the radio is not regulated."
European pilots: (o_o)
I live roughly under a very well-used RNAV waypoint in SW UK - also under the approach corridor to the reasonably large by regional standards airport, and also inside a military low flying training zone. Within 3 miles are two grass fields ( one directly under the airport approach ) who's entire traffic control consists of phoning the airfield before you land! :)
Fortunately these days most of the mil traffic is rotary & there's not *that* much traffic into the airport.
Depends of where in Europe you are. In Finland, I think the ratio of towered:non-towered fields is somewhere around 1:5 or something. Although in winter, many of the non-towered fields are unmaintained and unusable except for ski planes.