In recent days it’s hard to find a RUclips video on the topic of the difference between men and women that allows comments. It’s so refreshing to hear someone have the knowledge and strength to talk about this. There is a difference and it should be acknowledged. We are doing ourselves a great disservice by pretending there is not. Thank you Dr. Peterson
So what I learnt form this is I am agreeable Jordan is also agreeable Agreeable people find it difficult to decide what they want and how they're going to get it. Jordan Peterson has learned to negotiate on his own behalf and speak the plain truth. I need to learn to negotiate on my own behalf too.
Well said, thanks for the summary. I too think I am an agreeable Person. I love that in Psychology those traits are seen as equal. I mean, he explains in the video that none of the traits is right, none is wrong. Both have their advantages and their disadvantages. Now I just need to learn to stand up for myself and thus minimize my disadvantages. :)
I find myself to be a VERY agreeable person to a fault. I completely relate when he says agreeable people sometimes don't even know what they want at all. I've realized I'm so self conscious about how I treat other people that I forget what I enjoy and desire because that's no longer my focus-- even in acting class when the director says to act truthfully to myself, I honestly don't know how to do that. Because I'm hyper aware of myself I find flaws that probably don't even exist in me, and I'm terrified of having to live by myself, solve my own issues, and face conflict. I've been living for other people and I thank Mr. Peterson for making me reevaluate myself. I have to learn how to say no and put myself first for a change.
I truly understand. Hope you are doing well since you’ve discovered this about yourself. It is such a challenge. This awareness has set me upon a totally different trajectory in profession and personally. Good luck and awesomely brave if you!
Well...there's a social psych theory that humans selected agreeableness the same way we domesticated dogs By killing off those who didn't show the desired trait Back in the day (theory) the community had little problem bashing in the heads of nasty people as they slept Ergo...psychopaths with really good social skills
It happens that parents raise their kids to be obediants and not have too much needs, so those children learn that expressing their needs will bother their parents, therefore they lose touch with their needs.
"You'll line up to be exploited" This is one of the greatest lessons I ever learned in life, and I thank Mr. Peterson for teaching it to me. Has helped me so much to see this trait in myself and learn to stop letting others run me over.
Came into the video thinking that this was going to be a counselling session on relationships between men and women, and finished the video with an extraordinary insight to how the differences in personalities can really impact a career growth! Simply mindblowing and very relevant to where I am now, thank you (:
@@carlurbananimals it's common knowledge and it's still OK to say it, it's just that some news networks fear monger political correctness culture and make it seem more widespread than it is, but basically every male in a college campus that isn't gay knows that men are stronger than women lol
I'm high in agreeability and Conscientiousness. I've had to learn from my husband how to actually say what i think and be honest about it. It is very difficult but in my marriage, it is very important because he feels disrespected when i am not truly honest about how i feel, so instead of avoiding conflict, it actually creates more conflict. I've gotten much better at not being walked over by people, but it is still a struggle
Dr. Peterson, you have helped our marriage so much....we were always OK and had a good foundation, but after listening to your lectures on the differences between men and women has helped us so much in understanding all our arguments and struggles, there is so much more understanding of each other and our days are so much more lovely and enjoyable now for us.
This is amazing! He’s voicing a notion I’ve had for a while! I’m not a mother (nor should I be, I just graduated high school) but I do have four younger siblings. I’m pretty used to pandering to infants. And I’ve realized that most of the major conflicts in my life have been caused by me treating mature people like infants by being way too accepting of their BS.
Hey! If u truly r an agreeable person, you'd be enclined to agree. Dont u agree? i say that u agree a final time to agree to be freed. Then set urself Free and be Free to just be...
Many people don't like him because of his actions during debates and discussing religion. He's okay at talking about things he's spent his life studying, but he also gets into the apologetics game and debates atheists. He fails miserably in those because he can't be honest and hides behind long ramblings when people ask him simple yes or no questions. He also seems to refuse to define what he believes, which many seem to equate to him wanting to keep as many religious followers as he can without alienating any.
There are many women who are interested in things, and there are many men who are interested in people. (Jordan Peterson is obviously very interested in people since he is a psychologist.) While women in general TEND to be interested in people and men TEND to be interested in things it doesn't say too much about individuals. It's no use to say that men and women are fundamentally different; it's just that there are general tendencies of each gender. The problem with emphasizing these gender generalities is that it can influence people to believe that all men should be this way or all women should be that way. Then women or men who deviate from what is considered normal for their gender would feel like they don't belong or that they should change.
Thats called adversity and society isnt built to accommodate breaks with social norms. But good thing is, in a capatalist society anyone can succeed on their own merit. Problems arise however when you try to socially engineer equal opportunity of outcome.
"Emphasising" for you means just talking out lead,right? How about we suppress all our instinctual traits(not talking gender specific traits), see how that goes. Suppression is not the anti-dote to inequality or anything that creates a problem psychologically or even socially. We SHOULD discuss them and we SHOULD let people be people and not ostracise behaviour or ban certain speech. OP's comment is especially funny to me, because this sounds exactly like how my head sounded when I had OCD.
Allison Lee I generally agree with you and Peterson himself has acknowledged that individual differences trump group tendencies, but it isn’t your notion of individuality that is being challenged it’s the notion that there are no differences between the sexes. While these sort of statistical generalities paint in broad strokes they still need to be mentioned because they at least give us a framework through which to understand how we got to where we are as men and women. Between the politically correct narrative that there are no inherent differences and one that paints broadly I’ll take the latter because it at least is true and gives us something to work with.
Men and women are completely different. It isnt meant to be a negative thing that men are better at some things and women are better at others. You can argue that each gender can do whatever the other can and yes but not to the same level of ability based on genetics. Men are stronger, someone had to protect the woman and child and someone had to take care of the next generation. We all have a role
My understanding of this video is: -Agreeable people are essentially yes men. Which makes it hard for them to decide what they want for themselves, and how to get it. -Disagreeable people a hard to get along with, because they dont beat around the bush, and get straight to the point. -Conscientious people don't really care about the personal aspects. But are more concerned with doing what needs done. Am I right or wrong?
As a mother of 6, a keen observer of human nature, and a woman who is very, very low in trait neuroticism, I think you're spot-on that the typical woman's nervous system is adapted to the mother-infant dyad, whether she wants it to be or not. (I'm likely overall quite masculine in traits, as I'm also an electrical engineer by degree, a brass player, a weightlifter, and a INTJ.)
One of the most embarrassing memories I have (and it happened more than once) was having annual reviews while working as an engineer. I didn't expect or receive negative feedback, but still found myself on the verge of tears every time, cursing my hormones!
Like it. I delight in “engineers”, brilliant. Told former wive that Sully Sullenberger, Miracle on the Hudson... wife said he has no sense of humor. My wife said, yes, those people are hard to get along with. I was slack jawed at her, take away. Sully was conscientious and competent.
In other words, women's nervous systems seem to be wired for empathy. They can feel the emotions of others and definitely the emotions of their offsprings.
So something went wrong with me as I'm really cold and babies disgust me 🤔 Not that I really mind it. At least my career won't be ruined by time spent at home raising kids.
Yeah, generally, that's probably the case. But as with anything, there are outliers. So you have to figure yourself out. I'm not sure, but even though I'm a guy, I think I'm more empathetic and agreeable. And I need to learn to be more assertive to avoid being exploited.
@@revitellect3129 I'm the same way. I really hate conflict and am terriable in arguments even when I'm right. Lol this is bad but when I'm out in public I just drag my more aggressive friend around. It works out lol
it does happen people frequently get attacked by kangaroos here in Australia, and of course humans shoot millions of kangaroos because apparently there are too many of them.
Because Humans brought Guns to a Boxing Match. Kangarous had too much punch. We had to find explosive solutions to solve the relationship ;). Joke appart. In Australia, they having serious issues of Kangorou overpopulation to the point Kangorou are not afraid of humans and taking their land back :P
When he started talking about agreeable people my mind just exploded. He just made me figure out myself. I always knew “something” was wrong with how i treat people, but i never knew what that “thing” was until this video!!
Wow, so grateful to watch this when my baby is 18 month old now and I am trying to get my work performance credited in the meantime. Now it is the time to play the disagreeable card! Thank you for your career advice for women.
What I love about the story of the disagreeable man is that he turned out to be the highest in compassion. He had compassion for the people who worked hard and were dragging around dead weight. He liberated them.
"Human beings punch. There's other animals that do that, kangaroos do that too, eh? So we're not the only people that punch." 1:47 This to me is the single most significant Peterson quote.
As agréable and conscientious people, I think we are aware of people’s intention and we know when we get exploited. But we like to please others because it makes us happy and it also brings peace to our life. Thus it also makes it harder on us. However, lately I decided to let people know that I am aware of their intention and manipulation. IAnd I make sure to let them know that if I do what they ask is because I want to (since I like to please people) and it is not because I am stupid or because of their manipulations.
This is an illuminating talk. I do see social science typology as putting people in boxes, however. The poet Robert Bly called himself an introvert with extroverted qualities. I've found from my own experience that I am both an appeaser and competitive. Women I've noticed will often drop their appeasing side when their children are raised and head out into the competitive workplace. We can change through time, and can change due to circumstances.
See his point @9:03 is so so important When you are in the company of people who don't work as hard as you but STILL efin get what they want, wounds your psyche and work ethic leading to the high performance employees also becoming insolent.
Things like this is the most insulting stuff especially if you are pretty much disagreeable person. You could literally "feel" the injustice. It's funny that I knew it, but never could formulate it in proper words. (Hello to my lab)
I love the perfect cut when he says if I hit you and I really hit you. It's almost as though his hidden rage came out and you had to cut it out the video. Hilarious
I can relate to this discussion in every sense, whenever I've been somewhat agreeable I tend to see people trying to exploit that, and when I've been really conscientious and performance driven and let it known to the rest of the group in whatever we're working on, I just end up getting verbally attacked and lynched by all the agreeable people, no one can handle criticism these days and make you out to be the villain if they act like a victim
Well, I think the point of the lecture is to try both the performance driven and the emotionally driven methods simultaneously and in balance. Have you tried that yet? I bet if you give criticism in the same way (balanced), it will be better received.
6:20, 6:557:20, 9:1011:0011:5012:40 agreeable: compassionate,polite. disagreeable: tough minded, blunt, competitive, wont do what they dont want to. compete & win. conscientious: trustworthy.
what if your "true nature" is conscious but your behavior is highly agreeable due to constant overexposure to conflict during young age and now you're in extreme conflict with yourself and can't seem to find a way out..
I am amazed every time i listen to this man. He makes me appreciate what i have been doing, just out of habit. Without even thinking about it. Just *doing* the stuff he's talking about. He makes me appreciate that IQ tests are definitely wrong... Because he's a smart man and he takes 14 minutes to explain what i do out of habit or based on a hunch.
I hate being a woman and thus being more inclined toward agreeableness. I am disagreeable compared to many women but not disagreeable enough compared to many men. As time goes on I become increasingly better at being assertive but I still have a ways to go before I can rival the average man.
What impresses me about Peterson is you can tell he's done the legwork in coming up with his theories, they've been properly roadtested. He's spot on, agreeable people are their own worst enemies and readily taken advantage of by more 'dominant' less agreeable people. Another way I'd put it would be selfless people vs selfish people. What's frustrating is how to break free of that as it's intrinsically linked to one's identity and personality: how do you overcome a lifetime of programmed responses which can be self-defeating? Even more so in a competitive environment where people may/do not have your best interests at heart.
Listening to Peterson talking about the different personality traits, with a focus on women made me naturally wonder where I fit in. I am female but grew up with two older brothers, to which I partly attribute my competetivness to. From the descriptions I would probably define myself as high on consciousnesses and low on agreeablness. Performance is always important to me and I get very frustrated by others being lazy and bringing group work down. Similarily, perphaps due to my higher performances, I often believe what I am doing is right and therefore do not easily agree with others. I like listening to others and I am also willing to change my opinions but once I realise that the other person can't formulate an argument I stop listening. But here I come to my question: Peterson mentioned that being high on the spectrum for agreeabless is also associated with avoiding fights. I myself hate fights. Whenever a friend would fight with me, if she is not that important to me I would just forget about her and never speak to her again, to avoid a drama. In my relationship that is of course not possible but I would still try to avoid fights. Would this not be in conflict with my earlier mentioned observations that I am more disagreeable? I am genually curious- please, only kind words ♥️
Mr Peterson you absolutely rock. I just wish that 5% of our politicians and teachers had your attitude and the strength of your deliverance then this world would be a better place. Your eloquent technique together with the sense and reason behind your statements is a breath of fresh air in some what a polluted city. Keep up the good fight and may God give you strength, patience and endurance.
As we have seen in this video, many people often speak about the differences between men and women and many modern feminists speak about the WOMEN'S RIGHTS. It is interesting that people do not go into the Etymology of the word RIGHT. This is the study of the history of words, their origins, and how their form and meaning have changed over time. By extension, the term "the etymology (of a word)" means the origin of the particular word. For the past few weeks I have enjoyed Professor Jordan Peterson pit his wits against many women who claim that they ," HAVE THEIR RIGHTS". These women would be rather surprised and impressed as what is the origin of the words " TO HAVE A RIGHT! and to DEMAND A RIGHT!" when it comes to men and women having " SAME RIGHTS". In modern times we define RIGHTS as that legal claim, that ability, that permission, that privilege or authority to DO something. Going back in Roman and Greek history even back to Arabic days when Egypt built its pyramids, the role of men and women was rather different from what we know it now. Men were measured in various ways, but there were intimate actions which some men did better than others and it is not surprising that many superior measures were related to the male genitalia. Male humans have a larger genitalia to body size than most animals. This can be traced back to the evolution of the upright man's stance which over time led to the unconcealed display of the phallus. The penis has no means of attachment nor any bones that might restrict the 'right' or the 'straight motion'. While this makes face to face intercourse possible between male and female humans, as well as the intimate process being more pleasurable, it is also the root of the development of erectile dysfunction in many male humans. So in the old days, here was an intimate situation for a man to be described as, " HE HAS THE RIGHT equipment" or "HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT equipment!" Amongst Arabic men drinking together, even these days, they would say that it is imperative to marry a woman, a gentle women with the qualifications to be a mother as , " NOT HAVING THE SAME 'RIGHTS' AS MEN! " but the knowledge transfer in that expression, to a European feminist would send her wild, but if she understood the situation being inferred , she would be so glad that her "rights" were not the same "rights" as those of men! In a modern society there are people who call themselves women and who have " MEN'S RIGHTS" an they seek surgical interventions! The English language lost the real HISTORIC vision of the word describing was was, "RIGHT" and " STRAIGHT" and " ERECT" but Arabic, Roman/Latin and Greek language including my own mother language, still contains a relation to what , " HAVING A RIGHT one" meant in the old says. So let me try leading all the English speaking nations to depict what was claiming to have " A RIGHT" meant in the old Arabic, Roman, Greek days . I might as well first define what is right, where the readers must now widen their thinking process to associate what the Arabs , Romans, Greek thought about and what was that men had which gave them a RIGHT, or ABILILTY, to DO and to DIRECT a particular intimate function with great success. RIGHT------ good, fair, proper, fitting, straight, not bent, direct, erect, moving, leading in a straight line, to lead straight, to lead right. In Greek ORECTOS -------- means erect, upright, stretched out, upright and stiff as a good tool, In Latin, RECTUS ------------- means straight , right, upright position. and other related words are ---- RECTA-- RECTUS-- RECTE --DIRECTUS-- DERECTUS meaning PERPENDICULAR. ERECTUS--- being right for a function........ BEING STIFF. Now, if an Arabic and Equator hugging men would hear the women feminists with sort haircuts and wide shoulders speaking to Professor Jordan Peterson saying , "We have the same right as a man!" they would pity them and they would start wondering about the type of hairstyle , the voice, the aggression they show to other men, as in the case of one with the same RIGHTS AS MEN, saying to Ben Shapiro, " do you want to go home in an ambulance!" There are many others women who, " claim that they have the same "RIGHT" as men", and in the case of many women interviewers as Cathy Newman and Cathy Areu, well they seem not to have the same "RIGHTS" as men, but they seem to have evolved the TOXIC aggression that belongs to men a Ms. Areu describes. Without going into details, it appears that the XX and XY, do produce good and healthy female and male different and well defined RIGHTS , but there are to be found some cross diversity and it seems that nature does, cross breeds these male and female RIGHTS, which need surgical interventions! Well I fully agree with Professor Jordan Peterson that women should have EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES but because women and men do not have the same "RIGHT" it is reasonable and logical to assume that men and women will never have EQUALITY OF OUTCOME............. because respecting what Arabs, Roman, Latin, Greek words describe...... it is only true man that has a right! There are men who also do not have "rights" and when it comes to women, they should thank God that they do not have the same right as a man! Reference to be made to Arabic, Roman, Latin, Greek languages!
@@Bremith103 Well, that is the idea. If I know my facts I will argue to make other people see that I might be right. But at the same time if someone has a strong argument I will accept the possibility that he knows something I don't and he might be right. All I am saying is that I am not a person who avoids arguments - if I prove my point or I don't it is still a win win situation because I can learn something out of it (except when you argue with stupid people, its not worth it)
@@gabriella.v It seems you got the idea right, I was just taken back by your use of the word "argue", saying discuss might be better suited to our definition 😆
@@em0_tion would it not be the same in work? I've worked with lots of bitches in my time. I think Jordan Petersons view of women is how women are to men, not how they are to other women.
@@SophiesWorld2024 Jordan Petersons has no idea what current women are, besides listening for advice about women from a long-time married man is as useless as an old twat that never smoked cigs or e-cigs explaining me how she heard that e-cigs are way more harmful than the good ol death sticks. Use your critical thinking and always seek for the objective truth, not the idolized God figure.
I personally have not taken the IQ test because I think it will put a cap on me. I am studying cyber security and getting good grades. I served in the military and one thing I have learned is how much you apply yourself to learn and be competitive. Sure you might not understand something but what did you do change that? Did you open a book and study the required material? Did you mentally give up and stop caring? Are you surrounding yourself with people that are making a good influence on you and supporting your goals along the way? Place yourself in a career field that you know you will thrive in, but at the same time place yourself in a job that has room for you to grow and expand. You are your own worse enemy and critic.
This made me realize why I love the peace symbol and the idea of world peace so much and also why I love kids! It's to avoid conflict and make a better, safer environment for children to grow up in. This was enlightening. Peace (Y)
Jordan does such a great job of defining disciplines. I hope in the future that idealism is more explained like a discipline. Ideology tends to portray advanced disciplines for me, not limited to secularism or atheism. Science and education both being mostly the same for me, teach disciplines in one form or another. You need discipline just to learn in a classroom and so I learn. Great lecture Sir.
It's good to have an understanding of our biology and the differences that exist between the sexes - but it shouldn't be used as a reason to hold people back or say they can't do XY or Z. Time and time again we see women breaking all kinds of physical and psychological barriers that the previous generation would have not thought was within their emotional or physical capacity. Same with men. I agree biology plays a large part but it shouldn't be used to limit people..... and that is what sexists tend to do with this information it seems. He is of course speaking generally here which I understand is unavoidable, it's worth knowing there are plenty of assertive women who are great mothers and plenty of great fathers who are very agreeable.
I'd say videos like these are more useful for identifying where the personality tendencies exist and why, so that we can better relate to each other. In terms of personality, anyone can be an exception case in some observable way, or able to function past their natural tendencies (which I think is why JP mentions assertiveness training for agreeable people in the workplace).
He never said women can't do that shit for fucks sake. He's only trying to explain what's the GENERAL differences between the two genders. Of course there's going to be a woman who can do something phenomenal as do will men. In the end of the day what matters here is we shouldn't give a fuck about genders but we should give a fuck about the individual.
And that's why the US Army had to lower physical standards for women to pass combat schools because they do not have the upper body strength to handle it. Yes there are exceptions but they are few and far in between. The only reason the first women passed Ranger School is because they allowed them multiple tries which is almost unheard of. Guarantee you the standards were lowered and male soldiers were pressured to give a pass in their review. Noe the Marie Corp is being pressured the same way.
What physical and psychological barriers? In using an example from a previous replier, I don't believe it's a matter of if an individual woman could do something, but a matter that the majority couldn't. We take the military/special forces training/testing. Most women (lots of men as well, in the case of special forces) can't pass the tests. Now, if 96% of women can't pass the testing done, it starts to become a matter of "Do we still allow them to try, wasting time and money on trying to train them up, or just keep them out." Now. I'm of the thought, allow any who want to try, try, but don't dumb it down. "I can't pass this test, because I'm a normal woman." shouldn't mean, "So make it easier." it should mean they say, "Then you're just not qualified for the job." After all, if a woman can do the job at a lower level of requirement, then what's wrong with those males who could pass the woman's testing but not the male standard?
Every time that someone makes an observation about women as a gender...(every time) a woman will say "but xxxx is not like that! " I think that response itself, is an observation of women as a gender.
6:24, 12:40 last comment, socialized (kind/compassionate/caring) disagreeableness (blunt/truthful/honest/competitive/driven) is the goal. To be virtuous you must be both
Wow, the part about agreeable people really hits home. I got used by so many people because of it and it's my own fault. I guess being "too nice" to people really is a thing. Even if it starts as them appreciating you and your commitment it usually ends up with them manipulating you in some kind of way, no matter how small or big. They might not even realize they're doing it, but they are most definitely doing it.
There was a store, long ago, and it was THE most expensive store in town. It was staffed entirely by middle-aged or elderly, single or widowed women. All lovely ladies who made minimum wage, which was $1. an hour back then. They were so very grateful to have their jobs. The man who owned the store was very, very wealthy.
Very interesting and as a woman interesting that I see things differently. It’s because of men’ strength that I fear standing up against them and as a single woman I find myself more vulnerable than married women for a host of reasons. Primarily, I have no male partner to defend me (no ring to indicate this either) so I’m fair game and go out into the world alone. One of the sad reasons child marriages occur is ironically to protect women from random men.
It's mind-boggling how engagingly Peterson speaks about a multitude of diverse topics. Although some of the things he says are questionable (women are agreeable because they are wired for the mother-infant dyad, there's very little difference between pre-pubescent boys and girls), his perspective on things is very interesting.
Can you please elaborate on what is "questionable" about either of the two specific concepts you mentioned? Or is this more of a "I don't want those things to be true, so I'm going to try to cast doubt on them?"
he was talking about the similarities physically so he could make the point of how different they are by talking about how men have more upper body strength right after that
Istvan Tomas I think it's because he speaks in general terms when explaining an idea. He isn't literally saying all men are A and all women are B. He's just teaching concepts in a way that most people can understand.
It's questionable that there's little difference between pre-pubescent boys and girls. Pre-pubescent boys during fetal development have much higher levels of testosterone and dihydrotestoterone which leads to detectable brain differences, as well as significant differences in behaviour. Boys prefer rough and tumble play, while girls are more cooperative. Boys have higher levels of ADHD, oppositional defiant disorder all of which are correlated to adulthood sociopathy. So these large differences in male/female behaviour are present before puberyu but accentuated during puberty. On second thought, the idea that women are agreeable because they 're wired for child rearing is not that quesitonable.
-in a scale from 1 to 10; how much do you like to argue? -can't it be up to 15? -No -Why not?? jokes aside, his lectures would be shit if he wasn't as well articulated as he is. It's a joy to hear him speak, really..
I, for one, am glad men and women are different. For whatever reason, perhaps just because Peterson needs to make waves to sell his books or his ideas, it seems he makes intelligent points and then finds conclusions that are edgy--but in reality he could just as easily find reasons that are much more endearing or unifying--and just doesn't. For example: Nothing is the infant's fault, a woman has to be responsive to what the child needs, be very sensitive to the threats of that child (at 9 months or so) THEREFORE the price that women pay to have intimate relationship with infants is that their nervous system is wired to perform that role optimally AND THE DISADVANTAGE HAVING A TEMPERAMENT LIKE THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH ADULT MEN, ESPECIALLY IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT. What in the hell is that?? How does he tie these things together like this?
i suggest you listen/watch this video again to understand it fully. he actually brought it into context and you have to be focused and alert throughout the video to see the bigger picture he paints. the way he ties things together cross-disciplinary is a trait high IQ people have. he makes a lot of sense in this video. he also states he put forward a HYPOTHESIS about that infant-mother relationship and the nervous system. and if you break it down in the way you just did, lacking detail, then it sure as hell wont make sense to you.
Wow I learned so much in 13 minutes. I AM an agreeable person and I'm going to be more assertive with observations awareneses know to be True.. Good stuff!
I love how he’s constantly circling around the room and basically having a conversation with the entire class
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I love how your submit to men
the cameraman gets a hella workout during this dude's lectures
Back and forth, back and forth, X ♾
so much the worse if he/she is disagreeable.
He's just moving his hand around
its probably one of those gopro tracking cameras
"hella workout" dude shut up.
In recent days it’s hard to find a RUclips video on the topic of the difference between men and women that allows comments. It’s so refreshing to hear someone have the knowledge and strength to talk about this. There is a difference and it should be acknowledged. We are doing ourselves a great disservice by pretending there is not. Thank you Dr. Peterson
So what I learnt form this is
I am agreeable
Jordan is also agreeable
Agreeable people find it difficult to decide what they want and how they're going to get it.
Jordan Peterson has learned to negotiate on his own behalf and speak the plain truth.
I need to learn to negotiate on my own behalf too.
I agree
Well said, thanks for the summary.
I too think I am an agreeable Person. I love that in Psychology those traits are seen as equal. I mean, he explains in the video that none of the traits is right, none is wrong. Both have their advantages and their disadvantages. Now I just need to learn to stand up for myself and thus minimize my disadvantages. :)
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Right on
As an agreeable person is can say I am in agreeance to this statement.
I find myself to be a VERY agreeable person to a fault. I completely relate when he says agreeable people sometimes don't even know what they want at all. I've realized I'm so self conscious about how I treat other people that I forget what I enjoy and desire because that's no longer my focus-- even in acting class when the director says to act truthfully to myself, I honestly don't know how to do that. Because I'm hyper aware of myself I find flaws that probably don't even exist in me, and I'm terrified of having to live by myself, solve my own issues, and face conflict. I've been living for other people and I thank Mr. Peterson for making me reevaluate myself. I have to learn how to say no and put myself first for a change.
I truly understand. Hope you are doing well since you’ve discovered this about yourself. It is such a challenge. This awareness has set me upon a totally different trajectory in profession and personally. Good luck and awesomely brave if you!
Well...there's a social psych theory that humans selected agreeableness the same way we domesticated dogs
By killing off those who didn't show the desired trait
Back in the day (theory) the community had little problem bashing in the heads of nasty people as they slept
Ergo...psychopaths with really good social skills
Wowww....
It happens that parents raise their kids to be obediants and not have too much needs, so those children learn that expressing their needs will bother their parents, therefore they lose touch with their needs.
Me too, i feel like i want to be liked and accepted more than i want to make myself happy
"You'll line up to be exploited"
This is one of the greatest lessons I ever learned in life, and I thank Mr. Peterson for teaching it to me. Has helped me so much to see this trait in myself and learn to stop letting others run me over.
Came into the video thinking that this was going to be a counselling session on relationships between men and women, and finished the video with an extraordinary insight to how the differences in personalities can really impact a career growth! Simply mindblowing and very relevant to where I am now, thank you (:
As a deeply agreeable person, I feel like I'm watching roast of myself.
agreed
Cause you see defensively by default
Hahaha same
Well at least your not in denail like a disagreeable person could be
“a roast”
I'm surprised anyone this intelligent is allowed on a college campus these days.
Its incredible that hes still a public figure with all of his controversies. Just listen and learn for as long as hes around for
Can't agree more! ;-)))
Shots fired
All men are aware they stronger upper strength at puberty (but this guy has the guts to admit it)
@@carlurbananimals it's common knowledge and it's still OK to say it, it's just that some news networks fear monger political correctness culture and make it seem more widespread than it is, but basically every male in a college campus that isn't gay knows that men are stronger than women lol
I'm high in agreeability and Conscientiousness. I've had to learn from my husband how to actually say what i think and be honest about it. It is very difficult but in my marriage, it is very important because he feels disrespected when i am not truly honest about how i feel, so instead of avoiding conflict, it actually creates more conflict. I've gotten much better at not being walked over by people, but it is still a struggle
Dr. Peterson, you have helped our marriage so much....we were always OK and had a good foundation, but after listening to your lectures on the differences between men and women has helped us so much in understanding all our arguments and struggles, there is so much more understanding of each other and our days are so much more lovely and enjoyable now for us.
This helped me be more empathetic to my nursing wife.
Wonderful. Great. I hope you're actually doing what you said
Good for you! She could use that❤️
This is amazing! He’s voicing a notion I’ve had for a while! I’m not a mother (nor should I be, I just graduated high school) but I do have four younger siblings. I’m pretty used to pandering to infants. And I’ve realized that most of the major conflicts in my life have been caused by me treating mature people like infants by being way too accepting of their BS.
holy shit the overly agreeable thing fits me perfectly. dammit.
it sucks
Lill Painter sorry bud. That sucks
I married a disagreeable man, and I find that I have slowly changed from more agreeable, to middle ground or close to disagreeable.
Hey! If u truly r an agreeable person, you'd be enclined to agree. Dont u agree? i say that u agree a final time to agree to be freed. Then set urself Free and be Free to just be...
Lill Painter same here.
Wow. Currently binging clips of Jordan and I dont understand why people dont like this man. All he does is speak the truth.
I think it's because the people who don't like him aren't actually listening, they're just projecting.
People don’t like truth because it threatens the way they want shit to be
Many people don't like him because of his actions during debates and discussing religion. He's okay at talking about things he's spent his life studying, but he also gets into the apologetics game and debates atheists. He fails miserably in those because he can't be honest and hides behind long ramblings when people ask him simple yes or no questions.
He also seems to refuse to define what he believes, which many seem to equate to him wanting to keep as many religious followers as he can without alienating any.
~Its cuz he refuses to use the new made up pronouns~
This guy is so articulate... He could be a psychology professor
Djmater ..
0 he is a professor 🤓
hahahahahaha
kangaroos are people
Haramble did nafin wrong.
except die when we needed him the most :'(
he is helping Kek now,so he never forgot about us.
And that's that. So...
dat rayciss yo
There are many women who are interested in things, and there are many men who are interested in people. (Jordan Peterson is obviously very interested in people since he is a psychologist.) While women in general TEND to be interested in people and men TEND to be interested in things it doesn't say too much about individuals. It's no use to say that men and women are fundamentally different; it's just that there are general tendencies of each gender. The problem with emphasizing these gender generalities is that it can influence people to believe that all men should be this way or all women should be that way. Then women or men who deviate from what is considered normal for their gender would feel like they don't belong or that they should change.
Thats called adversity and society isnt built to accommodate breaks with social norms. But good thing is, in a capatalist society anyone can succeed on their own merit. Problems arise however when you try to socially engineer equal opportunity of outcome.
"Emphasising" for you means just talking out lead,right? How about we suppress all our instinctual traits(not talking gender specific traits), see how that goes. Suppression is not the anti-dote to inequality or anything that creates a problem psychologically or even socially.
We SHOULD discuss them and we SHOULD let people be people and not ostracise behaviour or ban certain speech. OP's comment is especially funny to me, because this sounds exactly like how my head sounded when I had OCD.
Allison Lee I generally agree with you and Peterson himself has acknowledged that individual differences trump group tendencies, but it isn’t your notion of individuality that is being challenged it’s the notion that there are no differences between the sexes.
While these sort of statistical generalities paint in broad strokes they still need to be mentioned because they at least give us a framework through which to understand how we got to where we are as men and women. Between the politically correct narrative that there are no inherent differences and one that paints broadly I’ll take the latter because it at least is true and gives us something to work with.
Men and women are completely different. It isnt meant to be a negative thing that men are better at some things and women are better at others. You can argue that each gender can do whatever the other can and yes but not to the same level of ability based on genetics. Men are stronger, someone had to protect the woman and child and someone had to take care of the next generation. We all have a role
@@ryang142 BINGO!!!! "Problems arise however when you try to socially engineer equal opportunity of outcome."
My understanding of this video is:
-Agreeable people are essentially yes men. Which makes it hard for them to decide what they want for themselves, and how to get it.
-Disagreeable people a hard to get along with, because they dont beat around the bush, and get straight to the point.
-Conscientious people don't really care about the personal aspects. But are more concerned with doing what needs done.
Am I right or wrong?
Very true
Yes
Wrong. Because people can also be both or neither.
No you can't be both
@@joemwangi9433 He said you could.
As a mother of 6, a keen observer of human nature, and a woman who is very, very low in trait neuroticism, I think you're spot-on that the typical woman's nervous system is adapted to the mother-infant dyad, whether she wants it to be or not. (I'm likely overall quite masculine in traits, as I'm also an electrical engineer by degree, a brass player, a weightlifter, and a INTJ.)
One of the most embarrassing memories I have (and it happened more than once) was having annual reviews while working as an engineer. I didn't expect or receive negative feedback, but still found myself on the verge of tears every time, cursing my hormones!
Like it. I delight in “engineers”, brilliant. Told former wive that Sully Sullenberger, Miracle on the Hudson... wife said he has no sense of humor. My wife said, yes, those people are hard to get along with. I was slack jawed at her, take away. Sully was conscientious and competent.
INTJs are the coolest !!
There is a reason INTJ women's most common complaint is difficulty relating with other females. You are a rare but special breed.
No such thing as INTJ, Myers Briggs year is meaningless.
The disagreeable man you described sounds exactly like my father lol
Maybe you both have the same father but different mother.
Exactly like my mother.
Hypothesis: Fathers have to be disagreeable to get shit done and to teach children the way of the conflict.
In other words, women's nervous systems seem to be wired for empathy. They can feel the emotions of others and definitely the emotions of their offsprings.
So something went wrong with me as I'm really cold and babies disgust me 🤔 Not that I really mind it. At least my career won't be ruined by time spent at home raising kids.
Yeah, generally, that's probably the case. But as with anything, there are outliers. So you have to figure yourself out. I'm not sure, but even though I'm a guy, I think I'm more empathetic and agreeable. And I need to learn to be more assertive to avoid being exploited.
@@revitellect3129 I'm the same way. I really hate conflict and am terriable in arguments even when I'm right. Lol this is bad but when I'm out in public I just drag my more aggressive friend around. It works out lol
@@kyle18934 Haha. Nice idea. Y'all even each other out.
@@revitellect3129 true lol
why is domestic violence between human x kangaroo relationships so rare though?
it does happen people frequently get attacked by kangaroos here in Australia, and of course humans shoot millions of kangaroos because apparently there are too many of them.
Because Humans brought Guns to a Boxing Match. Kangarous had too much punch. We had to find explosive solutions to solve the relationship ;). Joke appart. In Australia, they having serious issues of Kangorou overpopulation to the point Kangorou are not afraid of humans and taking their land back :P
:D
you obviously don't live in Australia, we have punch ups with kangaroos regularly :)
Asking the real questions
When he started talking about agreeable people my mind just exploded.
He just made me figure out myself.
I always knew “something” was wrong with how i treat people, but i never knew what that “thing” was until this video!!
Wow, so grateful to watch this when my baby is 18 month old now and I am trying to get my work performance credited in the meantime. Now it is the time to play the disagreeable card! Thank you for your career advice for women.
What I love about the story of the disagreeable man is that he turned out to be the highest in compassion. He had compassion for the people who worked hard and were dragging around dead weight. He liberated them.
"Human beings punch. There's other animals that do that, kangaroos do that too, eh? So we're not the only people that punch."
1:47
This to me is the single most significant Peterson quote.
He wanted to say we r not the only animal that punch.
As agréable and conscientious people, I think we are aware of people’s intention and we know when we get exploited. But we like to please others because it makes us happy and it also brings peace to our life. Thus it also makes it harder on us. However, lately I decided to let people know that I am aware of their intention and manipulation. IAnd I make sure to let them know that if I do what they ask is because I want to (since I like to please people) and it is not because I am stupid or because of their manipulations.
Well put. There is pressure on women to behave certain ways to please others and not themselves.
This is an illuminating talk. I do see social science typology as putting people in boxes, however. The poet Robert Bly called himself an introvert with extroverted qualities. I've found from my own experience that I am both an appeaser and competitive. Women I've noticed will often drop their appeasing side when their children are raised and head out into the competitive workplace. We can change through time, and can change due to circumstances.
See his point @9:03 is so so important
When you are in the company of people who don't work as hard as you but STILL efin get what they want, wounds your psyche and work ethic leading to the high performance employees also becoming insolent.
Things like this is the most insulting stuff especially if you are pretty much disagreeable person. You could literally "feel" the injustice. It's funny that I knew it, but never could formulate it in proper words. (Hello to my lab)
most disagreeable in 10,000... that's funny as hell
I disagree with your disagreement and do not agree with the initial conjecture either.
I wonder if the guy disagreed with the results.
I disagree with all comments which follow this comment
I agree with you!
bogesk - YOU FOOL, YOU'VE DAMNED US ALL!!
Finally, an answer for the "How can she slap?" guy :D
Hahaha. Exactly.
I'm agreeable on most days.
And disagreeable once my temper goes off.
Outstanding analysis. Being correct and honest is a real delima. People are shocked by true honesty.
Being correct,honest and constructive shud be fine if always accompanied with,starting off by a tailored measured approach and sincerity
Why did you cut out a section in 2:41
Yeah, I totally noticed that too. Weird.
Because he says if I do the reverse I will kill you.
right! Thanks commietube xD
...c-cut the tape....
@@MahmoudLaban no it's for RUclips ad revenue, things have changed since the adpocalypse
Just after the 2:40 mark a cut is made. I gave myself lulz by imagining him saying "Your chest would explode"
I just imagine him walking up to a student and knocking them out then continuing the discussion, lmao.
Hahahah
XD
@@maximusmeridius5705 that's fitting for the masochist he is
this talk is so good that i listen to it repeatedly.
and sometimes rewatched it for his body language.
I love the perfect cut when he says if I hit you and I really hit you. It's almost as though his hidden rage came out and you had to cut it out the video. Hilarious
I can relate to this discussion in every sense, whenever I've been somewhat agreeable I tend to see people trying to exploit that, and when I've been really conscientious and performance driven and let it known to the rest of the group in whatever we're working on, I just end up getting verbally attacked and lynched by all the agreeable people, no one can handle criticism these days and make you out to be the villain if they act like a victim
Well, I think the point of the lecture is to try both the performance driven and the emotionally driven methods simultaneously and in balance. Have you tried that yet? I bet if you give criticism in the same way (balanced), it will be better received.
From an evolutionary perspective, I believe men also develope upper body strength for throwing.
6:20, 6:55 7:20, 9:10 11:00 11:50 12:40
agreeable: compassionate,polite.
disagreeable: tough minded, blunt, competitive, wont do what they dont want to. compete & win.
conscientious: trustworthy.
what if your "true nature" is conscious but your behavior is highly agreeable due to constant overexposure to conflict during young age and now you're in extreme conflict with yourself and can't seem to find a way out..
I am amazed every time i listen to this man.
He makes me appreciate what i have been doing, just out of habit.
Without even thinking about it.
Just *doing* the stuff he's talking about.
He makes me appreciate that IQ tests are definitely wrong...
Because he's a smart man and he takes 14 minutes to explain what i do out of habit or based on a hunch.
I love these lectures, I'm glad to find this scholar.
Scholar?? Are you serious? Oh well:-)
Yeah he aint a scholar haha. He has removed himself from evidence-based thinking and has indulged in an ideological fantasy
man, listening to this guy is so nice
I wish Bad Lip Reading would make a video on this video. The hand gestures would make it hilarious. So eccentric.
I love it at 9:30 where he explains how we, as agreeable people, get exploited and his encouraging words for us. Need to repeat this daily to myself!
OMG I am too agreeable 😭! Great lesson, I will take the advice 😉
We're wired to be vulnerable to protect and care for our young, I found that kind of interesting in this
I hate being a woman and thus being more inclined toward agreeableness. I am disagreeable compared to many women but not disagreeable enough compared to many men. As time goes on I become increasingly better at being assertive but I still have a ways to go before I can rival the average man.
Well, there's the LGBT to handle that first hate for ya.
@@musical_lolu4811 how are the LGBT gonna help with that?
What impresses me about Peterson is you can tell he's done the legwork in coming up with his theories, they've been properly roadtested. He's spot on, agreeable people are their own worst enemies and readily taken advantage of by more 'dominant' less agreeable people. Another way I'd put it would be selfless people vs selfish people. What's frustrating is how to break free of that as it's intrinsically linked to one's identity and personality: how do you overcome a lifetime of programmed responses which can be self-defeating? Even more so in a competitive environment where people may/do not have your best interests at heart.
Pray and mindfully work on building confidence in yourself.
Endless knowledge,Appreciate 🙏🏼
Listening to Peterson talking about the different personality traits, with a focus on women made me naturally wonder where I fit in. I am female but grew up with two older brothers, to which I partly attribute my competetivness to. From the descriptions I would probably define myself as high on consciousnesses and low on agreeablness. Performance is always important to me and I get very frustrated by others being lazy and bringing group work down. Similarily, perphaps due to my higher performances, I often believe what I am doing is right and therefore do not easily agree with others. I like listening to others and I am also willing to change my opinions but once I realise that the other person can't formulate an argument I stop listening. But here I come to my question: Peterson mentioned that being high on the spectrum for agreeabless is also associated with avoiding fights. I myself hate fights. Whenever a friend would fight with me, if she is not that important to me I would just forget about her and never speak to her again, to avoid a drama. In my relationship that is of course not possible but I would still try to avoid fights. Would this not be in conflict with my earlier mentioned observations that I am more disagreeable? I am genually curious- please, only kind words ♥️
Yeah because gender is a spectrum.. sex means almost nothing personality wise. You do you, boo. ♡
Mr Peterson you absolutely rock. I just wish that 5% of our politicians and teachers had your attitude and the strength of your deliverance then this world would be a better place. Your eloquent technique together with the sense and reason behind your statements is a breath of fresh air in some what a polluted city. Keep up the good fight and may God give you strength, patience and endurance.
Peterson 2020
I love this man's ability to provide information that gives insight into yourself and the world!
The most disagreeable man in 10.000 sounds a lot like my father.
As we have seen in this video, many people often speak about the differences between men and women and many modern feminists speak about the WOMEN'S RIGHTS. It is interesting that people do not go into the Etymology of the word RIGHT. This is the study of the history of words, their origins, and how their form and meaning have changed over time. By extension, the term "the etymology (of a word)" means the origin of the particular word. For the past few weeks I have enjoyed Professor Jordan Peterson pit his wits against many women who claim that they ," HAVE THEIR RIGHTS". These women would be rather surprised and impressed as what is the origin of the words " TO HAVE A RIGHT! and to DEMAND A RIGHT!" when it comes to men and women having " SAME RIGHTS". In modern times we define RIGHTS as that legal claim, that ability, that permission, that privilege or authority to DO something.
Going back in Roman and Greek history even back to Arabic days when Egypt built its pyramids, the role of men and women was rather different from what we know it now. Men were measured in various ways, but there were intimate actions which some men did better than others and it is not surprising that many superior measures were related to the male genitalia. Male humans have a larger genitalia to body size than most animals. This can be traced back to the evolution of the upright man's stance which over time led to the unconcealed display of the phallus. The penis has no means of attachment nor any bones that might restrict the 'right' or the 'straight motion'. While this makes face to face intercourse possible between male and female humans, as well as the intimate process being more pleasurable, it is also the root of the development of erectile dysfunction in many male humans. So in the old days, here was an intimate situation for a man to be described as, " HE HAS THE RIGHT equipment" or "HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT equipment!" Amongst Arabic men drinking together, even these days, they would say that it is imperative to marry a woman, a gentle women with the qualifications to be a mother as , " NOT HAVING THE SAME 'RIGHTS' AS MEN! " but the knowledge transfer in that expression, to a European feminist would send her wild, but if she understood the situation being inferred , she would be so glad that her "rights" were not the same "rights" as those of men! In a modern society there are people who call themselves women and who have " MEN'S RIGHTS" an they seek surgical interventions!
The English language lost the real HISTORIC vision of the word describing was was, "RIGHT" and " STRAIGHT" and " ERECT" but Arabic, Roman/Latin and Greek language including my own mother language, still contains a relation to what , " HAVING A RIGHT one" meant in the old says. So let me try leading all the English speaking nations to depict what was claiming to have " A RIGHT" meant in the old Arabic, Roman, Greek days . I might as well first define what is right, where the readers must now widen their thinking process to associate what the Arabs , Romans, Greek thought about and what was that men had which gave them a RIGHT, or ABILILTY, to DO and to DIRECT a particular intimate function with great success.
RIGHT------ good, fair, proper, fitting, straight, not bent, direct, erect, moving, leading in a straight line, to lead straight, to lead right.
In Greek ORECTOS -------- means erect, upright, stretched out, upright and stiff as a good tool,
In Latin, RECTUS ------------- means straight , right, upright position. and other related words are ----
RECTA-- RECTUS-- RECTE --DIRECTUS-- DERECTUS meaning PERPENDICULAR.
ERECTUS--- being right for a function........ BEING STIFF.
Now, if an Arabic and Equator hugging men would hear the women feminists with sort haircuts and wide shoulders speaking to Professor Jordan Peterson saying , "We have the same right as a man!" they would pity them and they would start wondering about the type of hairstyle , the voice, the aggression they show to other men, as in the case of one with the same RIGHTS AS MEN, saying to Ben Shapiro, " do you want to go home in an ambulance!" There are many others women who, " claim that they have the same "RIGHT" as men", and in the case of many women interviewers as Cathy Newman and Cathy Areu, well they seem not to have the same "RIGHTS" as men, but they seem to have evolved the TOXIC aggression that belongs to men a Ms. Areu describes. Without going into details, it appears that the XX and XY, do produce good and healthy female and male different and well defined RIGHTS , but there are to be found some cross diversity and it seems that nature does, cross breeds these male and female RIGHTS, which need surgical interventions!
Well I fully agree with Professor Jordan Peterson that women should have EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES but because women and men do not have the same "RIGHT" it is reasonable and logical to assume that men and women will never have EQUALITY OF OUTCOME............. because respecting what Arabs, Roman, Latin, Greek words describe...... it is only true man that has a right! There are men who also do not have "rights" and when it comes to women, they should thank God that they do not have the same right as a man!
Reference to be made to Arabic, Roman, Latin, Greek languages!
I will go to extremes to prove my point if I am absolutely sure it is correct. I hate when people make excuses and I loooove to argue.
You should try to turn them to tor view point, not argue. The overall situation and long-term plane will be productive at best, and neutral at worst.
@@Bremith103 Well, that is the idea. If I know my facts I will argue to make other people see that I might be right. But at the same time if someone has a strong argument I will accept the possibility that he knows something I don't and he might be right. All I am saying is that I am not a person who avoids arguments - if I prove my point or I don't it is still a win win situation because I can learn something out of it (except when you argue with stupid people, its not worth it)
@@gabriella.v It seems you got the idea right, I was just taken back by your use of the word "argue", saying discuss might be better suited to our definition 😆
That you professor for the wonderful lecture , you have taught me to discover myself today
If middle aged women are so agreeable then why are mother-in-laws so difficult???
Because now TWO women are fighting for the same resources (attention, money, protection etc.).
The oedipal mother will be a more difficult mother in law.
@@em0_tion would it not be the same in work? I've worked with lots of bitches in my time. I think Jordan Petersons view of women is how women are to men, not how they are to other women.
@@SophiesWorld2024 Jordan Petersons has no idea what current women are, besides listening for advice about women from a long-time married man is as useless as an old twat that never smoked cigs or e-cigs explaining me how she heard that e-cigs are way more harmful than the good ol death sticks. Use your critical thinking and always seek for the objective truth, not the idolized God figure.
@@em0_tion that's exactly why I'm making these comments. So many guys seem to idolise him.
I personally have not taken the IQ test because I think it will put a cap on me. I am studying cyber security and getting good grades. I served in the military and one thing I have learned is how much you apply yourself to learn and be competitive. Sure you might not understand something but what did you do change that? Did you open a book and study the required material? Did you mentally give up and stop caring? Are you surrounding yourself with people that are making a good influence on you and supporting your goals along the way? Place yourself in a career field that you know you will thrive in, but at the same time place yourself in a job that has room for you to grow and expand. You are your own worse enemy and critic.
100%
He makes me want to go back to school to be a psychologist.
Takes like 6-10 years, but giver
This made me realize why I love the peace symbol and the idea of world peace so much and also why I love kids! It's to avoid conflict and make a better, safer environment for children to grow up in. This was enlightening. Peace (Y)
“What’s the difference between men and women?”
Well for one thing one’s an innie and one’s an outtie
Fearghus Keitz yep that's how I always describe it
In Spiral Dynamics you are Stage Purple.
Jordan does such a great job of defining disciplines. I hope in the future that idealism is more explained like a discipline. Ideology tends to portray advanced disciplines for me, not limited to secularism or atheism. Science and education both being mostly the same for me, teach disciplines in one form or another. You need discipline just to learn in a classroom and so I learn. Great lecture Sir.
Tell that to Google, Jordan, and you'll be fired!
He wouldn't work for google, anyway.
who really want work for google ?.
I would really dislike work in place where i can't be honest and must be PC.
Alt search engine Duck,duck, go
@@EndranExit What does PC mean?
@@TheCottonOrange politically correct
Mr. Peterson is brilliant, as always! What I wouldn't give to attend his lectures...
It's good to have an understanding of our biology and the differences that exist between the sexes - but it shouldn't be used as a reason to hold people back or say they can't do XY or Z. Time and time again we see women breaking all kinds of physical and psychological barriers that the previous generation would have not thought was within their emotional or physical capacity. Same with men. I agree biology plays a large part but it shouldn't be used to limit people..... and that is what sexists tend to do with this information it seems. He is of course speaking generally here which I understand is unavoidable, it's worth knowing there are plenty of assertive women who are great mothers and plenty of great fathers who are very agreeable.
I'd say videos like these are more useful for identifying where the personality tendencies exist and why, so that we can better relate to each other. In terms of personality, anyone can be an exception case in some observable way, or able to function past their natural tendencies (which I think is why JP mentions assertiveness training for agreeable people in the workplace).
He never said women can't do that shit for fucks sake. He's only trying to explain what's the GENERAL differences between the two genders. Of course there's going to be a woman who can do something phenomenal as do will men. In the end of the day what matters here is we shouldn't give a fuck about genders but we should give a fuck about the individual.
And that's why the US Army had to lower physical standards for women to pass combat schools because they do not have the upper body strength to handle it. Yes there are exceptions but they are few and far in between.
The only reason the first women passed Ranger School is because they allowed them multiple tries which is almost unheard of. Guarantee you the standards were lowered and male soldiers were pressured to give a pass in their review.
Noe the Marie Corp is being pressured the same way.
What physical and psychological barriers?
In using an example from a previous replier, I don't believe it's a matter of if an individual woman could do something, but a matter that the majority couldn't.
We take the military/special forces training/testing. Most women (lots of men as well, in the case of special forces) can't pass the tests.
Now, if 96% of women can't pass the testing done, it starts to become a matter of "Do we still allow them to try, wasting time and money on trying to train them up, or just keep them out."
Now. I'm of the thought, allow any who want to try, try, but don't dumb it down. "I can't pass this test, because I'm a normal woman." shouldn't mean, "So make it easier." it should mean they say, "Then you're just not qualified for the job."
After all, if a woman can do the job at a lower level of requirement, then what's wrong with those males who could pass the woman's testing but not the male standard?
Every time that someone makes an observation about women as a gender...(every time) a woman will say "but xxxx is not like that! " I think that response itself, is an observation of women as a gender.
6:24, 12:40 last comment, socialized (kind/compassionate/caring) disagreeableness (blunt/truthful/honest/competitive/driven) is the goal.
To be virtuous you must be both
Can't believe it's come to this that we need to explain the difference between men and women
Shawn D'souza you wouldn't think it would need an explanation 🤦🏻♂️
@Ligeia D.Aurevilly yeah, who woulda thought? When you are raised and taught to be a certain way, you become that certain way
I should be studying.
But I have watched this video several times too.
JP videos are the best form of studying there is.
Every lecture video of Dr. Peterson's ends with him saying, "so..."
This hit me, as I am a very agreeable person, and i am male. Thanks for the upload.
Wait ... isn't this video basically saying the same thing that Google fired James Damore over?
yep
Wow, the part about agreeable people really hits home. I got used by so many people because of it and it's my own fault. I guess being "too nice" to people really is a thing. Even if it starts as them appreciating you and your commitment it usually ends up with them manipulating you in some kind of way, no matter how small or big. They might not even realize they're doing it, but they are most definitely doing it.
We are the only people that punch because kangaroos are kangaroos.
But can kangaroos S O R T ?
kangaroos are not agreeable people, as a rule.
Make your bed
I thought kangaroos kick... their arms are disproportionately short, aren't they? Sort of like a T-Rex..
Dont mess with roos. Just dont. They can disembowel you in ways people cant. Look it up.
Best to get one on to a feminazi.
There was a store, long ago, and it was THE most expensive store in town. It was staffed entirely by middle-aged or elderly, single or widowed women. All lovely ladies who made minimum wage, which was $1. an hour back then. They were so very grateful to have their jobs. The man who owned the store was very, very wealthy.
@@ian1064 Hahahahahha
Very interesting and as a woman interesting that I see things differently. It’s because of men’ strength that I fear standing up against them and as a single woman I find myself more vulnerable than married women for a host of reasons. Primarily, I have no male partner to defend me (no ring to indicate this either) so I’m fair game and go out into the world alone. One of the sad reasons child marriages occur is ironically to protect women from random men.
Yeah
weird, as a woman i feel safer when is no man around
I had that same overhead projector. Well done Jordan!
I need to find a female version of Jordan Peterson, to have this same lecture but from a woman's perspective.
Thank you so much Jordan. I am getting so close to the jumping off place to change my career without feeling like a failure.
It's mind-boggling how engagingly Peterson speaks about a multitude of diverse topics. Although some of the things he says are questionable (women are agreeable because they are wired for the mother-infant dyad, there's very little difference between pre-pubescent boys and girls), his perspective on things is very interesting.
Can you please elaborate on what is "questionable" about either of the two specific concepts you mentioned? Or is this more of a "I don't want those things to be true, so I'm going to try to cast doubt on them?"
he was talking about the similarities physically so he could make the point of how different they are by talking about how men have more upper body strength right after that
Istvan Tomas I think it's because he speaks in general terms when explaining an idea. He isn't literally saying all men are A and all women are B. He's just teaching concepts in a way that most people can understand.
It's questionable that there's little difference between pre-pubescent boys and girls. Pre-pubescent boys during fetal development have much higher levels of testosterone and dihydrotestoterone which leads to detectable brain differences, as well as significant differences in behaviour. Boys prefer rough and tumble play, while girls are more cooperative. Boys have higher levels of ADHD, oppositional defiant disorder all of which are correlated to adulthood sociopathy. So these large differences in male/female behaviour are present before puberyu but accentuated during puberty. On second thought, the idea that women are agreeable because they 're wired for child rearing is not that quesitonable.
Beer Baptism my ADHD is off the charts too... I guess I should have my testosterone checked 😂
Mind blown here
Really has opened my eyes to some problems I’ve been having concerning being agreeable! Thanks for the upload👍
Last time I was this early this was a good meme
S O R T
"But if I lean into it and hit her I mean really heh..." CUT TO THE NEXT PART QUICK
10:50 blew my mind
One of the best psychologist.
How this isn't basic widespread knowledge, I will never know.
emile it’s really common sense but common sense does not seem to be a common virtue these days does it?
"The most uncommon thing is common sense"... I think Ben Franklin said that.
-in a scale from 1 to 10; how much do you like to argue?
-can't it be up to 15?
-No
-Why not??
jokes aside, his lectures would be shit if he wasn't as well articulated as he is. It's a joy to hear him speak, really..
I always been knew BABIES are evil😔😔😔
They are like little dictators.
Parasites who feed on your insides for nine months then suckle thereafter 😂
YES! 👹👹👹
**doesn't realize they're calling themselves/everyone evil cuz everyone starts out as a baby 😂🤣
Babies are ugly
I, for one, am glad men and women are different. For whatever reason, perhaps just because Peterson needs to make waves to sell his books or his ideas, it seems he makes intelligent points and then finds conclusions that are edgy--but in reality he could just as easily find reasons that are much more endearing or unifying--and just doesn't. For example: Nothing is the infant's fault, a woman has to be responsive to what the child needs, be very sensitive to the threats of that child (at 9 months or so) THEREFORE the price that women pay to have intimate relationship with infants is that their nervous system is wired to perform that role optimally AND THE DISADVANTAGE HAVING A TEMPERAMENT LIKE THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH ADULT MEN, ESPECIALLY IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT. What in the hell is that?? How does he tie these things together like this?
A temperament has advantages and drawbacks in differing enviroments
i suggest you listen/watch this video again to understand it fully. he actually brought it into context and you have to be focused and alert throughout the video to see the bigger picture he paints. the way he ties things together cross-disciplinary is a trait high IQ people have. he makes a lot of sense in this video. he also states he put forward a HYPOTHESIS about that infant-mother relationship and the nervous system. and if you break it down in the way you just did, lacking detail, then it sure as hell wont make sense to you.
@@merita2359 🙄😂
J.P. - What's the difference between men and women?
Leftist - Absolutely nothing
i'm a little of both i adapt and conquer but also i seek peace
I am very agreeable and have suffered a lot for it.
Mr Peterson is brilliant. Very quick to rise to the point of impact...For this I am truly grateful.
agreeable people, agreeable people, wait, i was thinking of Marilyn Manson - The Beautiful People
This video deserves a title change ...the part about agreeable and disagreeable people is really interesting and spot on.
I'll give you my password so you can log in and change it for me
This is the video that got James Damore fired LMFAO
DoubleO88 lmao
Wht who
Wow I learned so much in 13 minutes. I AM an agreeable person and I'm going to be more assertive with observations awareneses know to be True.. Good stuff!
Who the hell still uses a slide projector