Boney man walks in, calls the dead 3 a bunch of cucks and brings us back from the dead while pissing on the rules that says he can't all while adamantly refusing to elaborate. fucker's badass
Its cause their wasting souls. Turning them illithid ans making their souls disappear. If they were just doing another casual murder spree Withers couldnt care less.
@@jadenmurray1325the moment Withers saw the 3 destroy souls and put a cursed ancient crown on a elder brain, I can imagine he sighed heavily before saying, “Welp there goes retirement.”
@@devinaschenbrenner2683I think Ao is fine with it because the Dead Three were already highly interfering with the living a lot more than they honestly should’ve.
Jergal is an old, old, old god, and it's worth noting that, despite being the Seneschal of Myrkul during the Time of Troubles, he was nowhere to be seen when he was cast down during the time of troubles, and kept his role as Seneschal for each of the two death gods that followed (Cyric and the following Kelemvor). In fact, his location is unknown during that period where gods were thrown to the mortal plane, and whilst his traditional avatar isn't easily identifiable (he often looks like a mummified insect, not Withers), it's also possible that AO considered him one of the few gods that were trustworthy enough to not be punished. (Given that his stated reason was them treating the world as if it was for their own amusement, this does track as Jergal takes his current role seriously). In turn, he's probably allowed to be a bit lax with the rules because he's trustworthy to have a good reason.
Withers: "Verily, it is not akin to the fact that I am akin to thee, fool" What Withers: "It's not like I like you, baka!" WHAT Withers: "Oh for- Just save the fucking day already!"
That’s how gods talk. I know it’s been said before but I’m almost positive that withers is actually Jergal. Nobody except Jergal or Ao(dnd god of gods, ruler of all) could do what he did in this scene
@@BobBob-qq9xnhe himself more or less keeps saying it. Not in word to word, dude is very heavily insisting on his retirement, but he uses every other title but that one.
"As thou hast fallen, I am charged to record thine name, but alas forgetful Withers- its Spelling escapes my recollection. Wouldst Thou rise once more to remind me?"
@@delphy2478 not sure if he wrote this, Kelemvor, god of death and judge in another game (where the player is breaking the rules), say when he started as god, he allowed some freedom of religion, but then people stoped to care about the gods, and so the change was made, the penance in the Fugue Plane, and the Wall of the Faithless, he says stopped to think like a man, and started to act like a god.
@@pbonfanti I keep hearing different stories about the fugue plane... is jergal not the god of the dead? I know kelemvor is a entity in dnd lore but is not touched on much. To me, it seems both withers, myrkul, and kelemvore's job descriptions are very similar. I understand there's subtle differences, such as kelemvore being a "judge" and withers being more "scribe" and myrkul being more "I like bones", but doesn't it seem sorta confusing and redundant to have 3 gods of death?
@@JankyDice96he’s clearly Jergal. And he’s effectively using the players to clean up the mess he inadvertently created when he gave Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul his portfolio and stepped down.
@@brandonjohnson9876 he’s even worse than the dream visitor in that regard. Literally everybody just wants our help cleaning up messes that THEY MADE. IM JUST A DUDE LOOKING FOR ADVENTURE SOLVE YOUR OWN MF PROBLEMS
@@beastwarsFTW I think it's moreso that he no longer has worshippers. He never lost his divine status. He's not actively being fed through X amount of means, but he is still a God and has the powers and abilities of one.
Yeah even if you were being a complete lunatic throughout your playthrough (which i was all my companions were dead by this time i reached the Bhaal temple) which is hilarious to me because at that point he has to know that you're most likely going to dominate the netherbrain
That's an interesting idea. As a DM, I could definitely see that happening in a game given proper circumstances (such as the ones here and the setup would have to be made). However, I'd like to submit an idea that he is Jergal... He's a record keeper, he's a scribe, his utter distain towards the Dead Three. The most convincing of all clues though are these two: 1) Loading Screen Tip: "The Dead Three - Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkul - were all once mortal men, but ascended to godhood in a strange bargain with Jergal, the original god of death, murder, and strife." 2) Crumbled Journal found in the Gorion Mausoluem (in Graveyard in Lower City in Act 3) contains the following { I was still a supplicant when I came face to face with him: Masked in gold, his skin fine and worn as parchment. Jergal, the death-keeper, the End of Everything. I asked what he needed of me. He asked a simple question: "What is the worth of a single mortal's life?" I knew not how to respond, and said as such. He seemed nonplussed; neither disappointed nor pleased. I fell to my knees in respect for his awesome power. This garnered no reaction. There I stayed, trembling with an emotion I could not name. And when I stood again, the Finale Scribe was gone. } I only found this note a while after I posted this video. I swear, every playthrough I find things I never knew existed - it's amazing!
@@Setherio It's pretty much confirmed, that Withers is Jergal. He even referred to himself as a scribe in this very video. His power over Death is insane. When you play as Karlach and die at the end, he visits you in the afterlife. The afterscene where he talks to The Dead Three kinda makes it obvious that he is a god. Also you find him in a Jergal temple, with the statue of Jergal, which is a skeleton (although he doesn't look like Withers that much)
@@Setherio To add: When you find him - the tomb does describe him as many of his titles. With a 20 check as a paladin - i could sense his energy which was described as: Divine energy - yes. Like death itself, inescapable and overwhelming. He's also avoiding questions which he explains as part of the divine rules. There is also the ending after credits in which he shows authority of the dead 3 on a personal tone.
@@snykyninja5632 theory is that it's Ao who sent Jergal to help us: "you fucked up with the dead three, now clean up your mess." Might be why he's so grumpy.
@@snykyninja5632 it's been a very long time. But to my understanding. Jergal wasn't a normal god to begin with. He never had quite the same rules as most of the gods, jsut like Ao doesn't have to follow most of the rules they have to either. So while technically less powerful for giving up undesired parts of his portfolio's to the Dead Three, he is still not powerless and is still by all rights a god. Ao the all seeing is the one he mentions when you first meet Withers, having already seen much of what would come to pass, and the multiple ways it could go. I don't think it's jsut about cleaning up his mess either, otherwise that could have been tended to in BG2... and technically was...
@@zaelheimricht4978 I'm pretty sure it's actually Helm who does it, but he's essentially an agent of Ao. I like how in the beginning he clearly doesn't want to be doing this, but as the game progresses realises that the dark urge is cool as fuck and decides to revive him even though he doesn't have to.
I was playing on Honour mode as DUrge and this scene happened to me last night. I was so so so scared my character would really die after rejecting Bhaal and had to start all over again. Seeing Withers coming over and rez my character up and making those badass talks and knowing THAT is how my durge comes back and continue have been such a thrill.
@@gabrielemblem605 I’ve seen comments people made about how resisting the urge and later rejecting the Bhaal gift is so satisfying but I never saw any vids so never would I have thought I’d really be killed by Bhaal first. During the cinematic I was really hoping or rather begging for Withers to intervene and stop the kill, but no, my character had to be really be slain first lol. Just when I thought I’ve seen all the scenarios that Larian really has my character killed.
So you get to trade in edgy Bhaal for the OG god of death Jergal as your patron deity/advocate. I consider that a win honestly. Though to be fair to Bhaal. Appearing as a dark reflection of the messenger in a puddle of their blood in order to communicate face to "face" is one hell of an entrance...
For as Blunt as Bhaal has always been, he has also always been surprisingly skilled at Deception and Theatrics. usually leaning more towards the Theatrics.
@@chwaterchearthchfirechair8254 Hm, this is me being pedantic. But hell, it's an opportunity to talk about my favorite games (BG 1 & 2). Doppelgangers aren't really *Bhaal's* favortie creature. Unless there's some lore outside the BG franchise about this that I'm unaware of. It's actually Sarevok who favors Doppelgangers - even in BG3, when do Doppelgangers start to appear? We start seeing them when we actually start to interact with the Cult of Bhaal, yes; but who is the founder of this cult? Sarevok. Orin took over, but it's really Sarevok's baby - in my eyes. The fact that they're so deeply associated with Baldur's Gate is also something I find interesting. In the original games, we don't encounter Doppelgangers very often. And when we do, they're mainly around Baldur's Gate and Candle Keep - where Sarevok basically left a legion of Doppelgangers as a kind of spite towards Gorion and his Ward.
Withers is actually Jergal, the god of the End. He held the power of Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul. But he got bored of his position. When the Bhaal, Myrkul and Bane were still mortal adventurers, they seeked power. Jergal made a deal with them and divided up his powers and portfolio among the three of them, making them the god of Tyranny, Murder and Death respectively. He himself just became a scribe. Wheb Withers said that he is merely a scribe, that was when i knew he was indeed Jergal. @@arisgolseen2693
Jergal, Lord of the End of Everything, The Pitiless One, The Final Scribe, The Forgotten One, The Bleak Seneschal, Seneschal of the Crystal Spire, formerly known as The Seneschal of Kelemvor, Lord of Bones, Lord of Death, Protector of the Names of the Dead, King of the Walking Dead, Guardian of the Tombs, Judge of the Damned, The Grim Reaper, or, simply known as Withers
Huh... i wonder if by giving the dead three their godhood, he was able to change from the pitiless one. This feels like an act of mercy Jergal wouldnt have original granted
This reminded me of..ahem... Oh mighty, Settra... Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of Nehekhara, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shifting Sands, He Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Sultan of Atalan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Gods, Breaker of the Ogre Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Ptra's Holy Blade, Scion of Usirian, Scion of Nehek, The Great, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Royal Herat, Founder of the Mortuary Cult, Banisher of the Grand Hierophant, High Lord Admiral of the Deathfleets, Guardian of the Charnal Pass, Tamer of the Liche King, Unliving Jackal Lord, Dismisser of the Warrior Queen, Charioteer of the Gods, He Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Scarab Purger, Favoured of Usirian, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lord Sand, Wrangler of Scorpions, Emperor of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Khemri's Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curserer of the Living, Regent of the Eastern Mountains, Warden of the Eternal Necropolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Wind, God-Tamer, Master of the Mortis River, Guardian of the Dead, Great Keeper of the Obelisks, Deacon of the Ash River, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Sandstorms, Master of all Necrotects, Prince of Dust, Tyrant of Araby, Purger of the Greenskin Breathers, Killer of the False God's Champions, Tyrant of the Gold Dunes, Golden Bone Lord, Avenger of the Dead, Carrion Master, Eternal Warden of Nehek's Lands, Breaker of Djaf's Bonds... and many, many more...
This entire scene is amazing, my only complaint is i wish there was a little scene right after DUrge dies, of the companions (more so romanced companion) having a reaction to his death, like they run over to his body panicking that they died, and thats when whithers steps in. Like i said the scene already is amazing but if we got an emotional heart wretching reactions from the companions that would have turned a 10/10 scene to a 1000000/10.
@@Cavmonsterlot harder to coordinate a bunch of adults with different work schedules than it is to turn on your pc. I agree cus I love dnd but it’s not easy for everyone to find kindred spirits who enjoy dnd, there’s so many terrible groups and players out there too
Yep, your romance partner kneeling before Durge's lifeless body with tears in his/her eyes, holding their hand, and a little anticipation, maybe like moving a camera a bit to the exit, giving player a moment to think "damn that's it", only for Wither to interfere, would have been even more epic!
Wow jergal pulling the i have decided im not entirely done being a death god there would have been so many problems avoided if he didn't give the dead 3 their godhood
I mean, Jergal was more of a God of observation than a God of death anyways. His entire thing was taking notes about peoples stories and making sure they went were they were supposed to.
@birdfurnace that's not what I said. Jergal was more interested in recording the lives of those who died than in being a death God, which is why he gave up his portfolios to the dead 3. Jergal just wanted to observe things dying in fulfilling and meaningful ways.
@@birdfurnace Jergal where the god of dead in times so ancient, that gods like Selune and Shar were not even born. The was the bleak Seneschal of the death gods after him. Times so long ago that not many remembered or lets say worshipped him still, so he only had power for manifesting one avatar, which was Withers. And yes he is right he stepped down back then and just wanted to observe and scribe and what else
we don't really know the details of why Jergal gave up his power. It could be that the dead 3 were a true danger to him, so he said fuck it i'll let y'all fuck it up and come back once you've fallen apart, which the dead 3 have over and over.
I was totally not expecting this when I played this and was completely blown away. I really thought I was about to reload my game but when Withers comes through to save my Tav I realized I was watching one of the best parts of the whole game.
5:36 Considering WHO he is, did Jergal just declare you his chosen and not only brought you back to life, but also literally saved your soul from the wall of the Faithless by declaring himself your patron?
@@andrasfischer3778it is in fact neither spell, where matters of life and death are concerned he is eternally called, he simply took your soul from the fugue plane and put it back in your body
I mean, it's Jergal, implying he needs to cast anything in order to bring someone to or from life is a stretch, it should be as natural to him as walking. @@achilles8804
One is an evil god of death that is using an elderbrain to disrupt balance and the other is Mystra. Different gods have different respect in Wither's eyes
To be fair, telling you that you are the murderer, one of those who were actually reponsible for current crisis is vastly different from him commenting on who you do or do not sleep with 🤣 First off, my char. would not even believe him... Imagine the situation: Some ghastly, dead dude just arrived at camp and started talking about you being one of the worst mortal pieces of shit there is 🤣 And even if MC believed Withers, then what? You cannot run away or u become Illithid. The only result this it could have is to push MC towards enslaving brain instead of killing it. Withers made the right choice, based on his understanding of the nature of the mortals. They would not believe and even if they did, there is literally nothing they could do about it. Worse in fact, some of the companions may even attempt to kill MC for getting them infected(if i remember correctly, originally it was DU char. that helped enslave that brain, not Orin).
This was genuinely the single most badass moment for the entire playthrough for me. I played the entire time resisting my durge instincts as much as possible, so when confronted with the possibility I took it, even if it ended the playthrough. I genuinely thought for a moment it was going to force me to reload an older save or something, and see out bhaal's influence. So when Withers came in and revived my ass my goddamn jaw was on the floor. Absolutely incredible stuff Larian. Bravo.
Dark Urge is the canon character when it comes to how it connects all three Baldur’s Gate games. The other origin characters have no stake in the Bhaal story.
Dead Three: NOOO!!! You can’t interfere with our interference! That’s cheating!!! Withers: Thou art gay and I hath no interest in thee, sons of strange women and faithless fathers.
“Lol” said Withers, “lmao” as he walked in, called the dead 3 a bunch of cucks, ressed Durge and pissed on all the rules from the other gods that said he wasn’t allowed to and adamantly refused to elaborate any further. “Wow, what a Chad!” Smirked Shadowheart as Withers walked out the door, laughing at Bhaal
*The virgin greater gods:* But intruding into mortal matters will surely anger Ao!11!!! *The Chad Jergal:* The supplication of Bane, the whimper of Bhaal, the death mewl of Myrkul. Vermin, away!
The fight between Orin and the Dark Urge is so cool. I kinda feel like DU should have just been the default character because it adds so much characterization to the dead three’s chosen.
I thought this dude was straight up a game mechanic for class respec and companion revives. I had no idea how powerful he actually is. He rivals Gaunter O Dimm as my favorite "behind the scenes" powerhouse character
Gaunter still has it to me just because of how twisted he is, and if the common theory of who Gaunter is: how it twists the world. Withers is not much of a mystery who he is. and while it is a surprise it's as cutting as Gaunter is. Ad Gaunter really only gives REALLY vague hints while Withers... well the game screams his identity at you.
Well seeing as Withers is Jergal, it's not surprising. He might have handed 3/4ths of his power off to the dead three because he wanted to be a shut in. But that doesn't change the fact that he is the original god of death.
@@galenjones9529 and there is a strong case that their power is still his power since he wasn't killed for it, he just lent it to them. if he tried to take it back he might have some trouble doing so, or he might not. but then again, one of the powers and/or titles that he kept for himself was Lord of the End of Everything, so he is the dude who gets to say when a god dies.
We all thought the dead three were the ultimate orchestrators of this whole thing, when it turns out, the weird ass skeleton man is the one who's playing everyone like chess
So Bhaal attempts to rid the world of Durge when Durge says 'I want no part of you!'; and Withers swoops in, resurrects Durge, and adopts them - making Durge effectively immortal (I think - given the comment that as long as Withers endures, so too will Durge; and Withers is immortal - being a God, and all). I am so happy I'm currently playing a Durge run! The idea that Durge is forever linked to Withers is such and awesome turns of events!
Durge themself is also a bit of an enigma on the “mortality” front, since they were created directly from a piece of Bhaal - in other words it’s not necessarily wrong to say that Durge is a fragment of a god, even if it is a weakened one like Bhaal. So they may just be immortal on two fronts. Being Withers/Jergal’s chosen, they will persist for as long as he does. And being a demigod sculpted from the flesh of the god of murder, they will live as long as they wish without worrying (much) about age and time. Whether the latter is the case or not, either way, Durge as Withers’ chosen is going to live for a very long time.
The way Withers says these two lines: 4:25 "...though all the powers of life and death..." and 5:06 "...and prepare for battle once more..." The actor's delivery is so reminiscent of David Warner's voice as Jon Irenicus. I don't think it's intentional or meaningful or anything. Just a weird but cool nostalgic vibe.
While I do wish the companions had gotten a chance for reaction I think a lot of ppl's contempt for this scene comes from a misunderstanding of how DND deities and even quasi-deities work. During the time of troubles (about 130 yrs before game start) literally spread his spawn across faerun bc he knew he was gonna get slaughtered, skip to 1482 (10 yrs before game start) the prophecy of his resurrection is completed. BG3 takes a slight side step in which Durge is implicated to not be a bhaalspawn born from a mortal woman but simply a mortal portion of Bhaal. (2 paragraphs of rambling about the theme of Durge as an Eve allegory). BUT this also means that durge for all intents and purposes is effectively just a divine conduit which during the play through of the game gained it's own consciousness which you prove by resisting the dark urge. But since before that final moment of defiance other gods literally cannot intervene. Post the second sundering every god literally shut up as to not piss Ao off for a second time but also started to not interact with each other. To attempt to directly influence a God's chosen would've been asking for another era of upheaval which is what you're attempting to prevent (or cause) through the cult of the absolute. But once you're rejected by Bhaal, Withers (who is Jergel for all intents and purposes within the game) is actually able to step in and tie off at least one thread from his mistake with ascending the dead three.
I felt such joy at this moment. The culmination of my Durge's desperate desire to deny his doom. Freedom from his urge and the final confirmation of his Paladinic oath
@@leila13dnd I would imagine it's in the "Until your job here is done." kind of way. I imagine Kelemvor and Jergal would get quite the ass-chewing if they just made this powerful adventurer immortal through sheer divine intervention. Even the Chosen of Mystra are only protected from natural death so that the God of Death can eventually take his due.
@@TheSko90 the thing is, Jergal IS the god of death. If he says he doesn't need that due from you- who's to say no? It's like how ketheric could never die- but instead of being a fraud who was abandoned by myrkul after he failed, Jergal is here saying he doesn't give a shit because he likes your gusto hells, he literally spends the whole game True Resurrecting your party members for just 200 gold, pretty sure at the bare minimum as long as you have 200 gold on you- you're set!
@@SylvisNuvara Jergal is no longer "The" God of the Dead. He is a scribe of the dead working under Kelemvor. Understanding the danger the dead three possess, he most likely allowed the resurrections as his contribution to the war effort against the Absolute.
The VA and writers did such a good job with Withers. Every time he speaks you can practically feel his quiet power and every statement of intent will be fact.
Man I love Jergal. Record Keeper of the Dead. He just got bored of dealing with dead people on a personal level and decided three assholes would be well more suited to the task.
I like to think that while Jergal's avatar is there to fix the problem he made, Ao also sent him down as a lesson. Kinda like... "I understand you've been around writing people's fates for so long it's become incredibly boring, and you've disconnected with your portfolio over this bordom. How about this time you go join the adventure for a change? It'll be good for you."
I think the best part about this is. This was literally THE place of worship for bhaal. So chances are he was still watching. He must be fuming knowing he can't do shit since his sect is dead and now you have a near demigod level enemy against your plans. This scene would have been even better if the eyes on the skull that shows he is here lit up as withers basically mocks him.
The ruins he was resting in were dedicated to thr God of Dead. So I am pretty sure it is who he is. He also got a God of music to PLAY AT THEIR PARTY in the epilog. A god. To play at party. Lol
A defiant Urge and Withers have honestly such a cool relationship. In my headcanon my merry band of OCs and their companions band together after the events of BG 3 and end up founding their own adventurers guild. The one that coins the name is Serkan, my reformed Dark Urge, who through his deep gratitude towards Withers suggests they call themselves the Scribes. The others are surprised at his suggestion and he's about to retract, thinking the name is terrible, when Kara, the leader of the group, agrees and says it's a good name. And thus the Scribes were born to witness all greatness in Faerun and carry word of it back home to their most honored patron.
A scribe and advocate of the dead, huh? Guess that answers what happenned to Jergal after all this time. If you didn't know, Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul were inheritors of his powers long ago as mortals. Bane took the right to rule as the foremost of tyrants, Bhaal the power of murder and Myrkul over death and the undead. In giving up his power, Jergal himself was reduced to a deific scribe of sorts of the dead and quietly watched things play out over time. iirc, he's served at least 2 gods of the underworld/death since that giving with Kelemvor currently holding the title and the trio being killed. Of course, Bane and Bhaal returned after their so-called 'deaths', but neither holding any grudge against the lowly senechal.
Jergal quickly rose to be one of my favourite deities in fiction throughout the game. I adore his grandpa mannerisms and nonchalant but indirect care he clearly has for us past act 2 when he has warmwd up to us fully.
It's cool to think that Durge is now the Chosen of Jergal-one of the oldest and most powerful gods in Faerûn. He didn't really lose anything by defying Bhaal, if anything, he upgraded.
I know Withers is technically hiding the fact that he's Jergal, but stuff like this proves that he's really not hiding it that well. What I wouldn't give to call him out just to see his reaction.
You can if you're a cleric or a Paladin. It's like a 25DC skill check of wisdom if I remember correctly. You understand that he has a divine aspect and he just doesn't elaborate.
@@kaanmuhammedgunes1879 playing a paladin durge feels satisfying because of these unique dialogues. It also ties up the redemption story and it explains the divine connection with Jergal. The redeemed paladin durge basically becomes a demigod and Jergal's new chosen
It’s mostly implied but Withers is supposed to be Jergal, the old god who gave the Dead Three their powers, and I think it’s hilarious every time he intervenes and just dunks on the Dead Three and how much they suck at being gods 😂😂
I finally played Dark Urge and reached that point yesterday and damn, it is now my favourite character choice. All the extra flavor across the campaign would've been enough already, but the one on one with Slayer-Orin and this scene completely blow me away.
I love that Withers doesnt directly intervine in our affairs. Its our story to finish however we see fit but the case of Dark Urge defying Bhaal himself was enough to make him say "I did not expect this at all. You get a freebe."
I love how this references bg1 so much. Its cool they made like two games. One thats not totally connected to the other 2. And one thats the same game but so intertwined with the other two. Larian has pry the best writers out there
That was such a cool moment! First time I got it I thought it was a game over or an ending of sorts. Until a real homie, withered, appeared and saved the run
Withers wields the sort of Arch Lich/Arch Mage power that all wizards dream of. To create such power within an abandoned vessel would require at least some knowledge of spells beyond even 9th level. Withers is verified demigod status at minimum. I wonder if withers is a servant of Myrkul. I wouldnt be surprised if Bane and Myrkul were out doing things seeing as Bhaal himself makes an actual appearance in Avatar form.(Avatar form is like a max level copy of a God using as much of their power as they are allowed to stuff into a mortal vessel. Just manifesting an Avatar takes alot of power. I imagine Bhaal is more than furious for this failure.
@whitewall2253 Jergal never gave it away. If anything he just made sure they knew about the process to ascension and that a particular weapon out there could do the job allowing them to take a gods place. The dead three ascended because they were able to remove the gods they tried to replace when before mortals just struggled to temporarily slay gods. In the end they only partially succeed. Bhaal and Bane maintained the most power while now Myrkul is just a lap dog for the new god of the dead.
I got this scene the other night and it was such a satisfying end that the idea of defeating the netherbrain etc feels about as significant as taking out the rubbish. At least I have the Raphael fight to look forward to on that save, but for now I'm just restarting another durge lol.
Boney man walks in, calls the dead 3 a bunch of cucks and brings us back from the dead while pissing on the rules that says he can't all while adamantly refusing to elaborate. fucker's badass
Well he is a god after all, the one that gave power to those said 3 in the first place.
@@BluEclipse94 i kinda got the feeling he was jergal.
@@Erisscarlet he is Jergal
what a chad
@@BluEclipse94 so why did he ascend them to godhood if he hates them
The dead three: Will you tell us why you're doing this?
Withers: *No*
dead three: aw you're no fun
Withers: No
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Its cause their wasting souls. Turning them illithid ans making their souls disappear. If they were just doing another casual murder spree Withers couldnt care less.
@@jadenmurray1325the moment Withers saw the 3 destroy souls and put a cursed ancient crown on a elder brain, I can imagine he sighed heavily before saying, “Welp there goes retirement.”
God gale :"yeah well turns out me and Mistra are gods that can't interact with mortal realm, it's the rules"
Withers : "fuck your rules"
Withers: I am the rules.
@@leila13dndAo: I wrote the book. I'll allow it this once.
Withers: i shal be here whenever you decide to retire from your profession.
@@devinaschenbrenner2683I think Ao is fine with it because the Dead Three were already highly interfering with the living a lot more than they honestly should’ve.
Jergal is an old, old, old god, and it's worth noting that, despite being the Seneschal of Myrkul during the Time of Troubles, he was nowhere to be seen when he was cast down during the time of troubles, and kept his role as Seneschal for each of the two death gods that followed (Cyric and the following Kelemvor). In fact, his location is unknown during that period where gods were thrown to the mortal plane, and whilst his traditional avatar isn't easily identifiable (he often looks like a mummified insect, not Withers), it's also possible that AO considered him one of the few gods that were trustworthy enough to not be punished. (Given that his stated reason was them treating the world as if it was for their own amusement, this does track as Jergal takes his current role seriously). In turn, he's probably allowed to be a bit lax with the rules because he's trustworthy to have a good reason.
"I know all."
You are giving everything to save the realm. For Withers, it is tuesday.
bro i swear i spilled my tea all over my keyboard when i read this u literally made my day and now i need another keyboard
W. M. Bison
He's Jergal, the original god of death and exarch of the dead three. It IS tuesday for him.
casual tuesday.
More like a short break
He's always gotta talk in circles, never can just admit that he's a true homie
I think it's a Mummy thing
It's a god thing@@placeholdername3818
Withers: "Verily, it is not akin to the fact that I am akin to thee, fool"
What
Withers: "It's not like I like you, baka!"
WHAT
Withers: "Oh for- Just save the fucking day already!"
That’s how gods talk. I know it’s been said before but I’m almost positive that withers is actually Jergal. Nobody except Jergal or Ao(dnd god of gods, ruler of all) could do what he did in this scene
@@BobBob-qq9xnhe himself more or less keeps saying it. Not in word to word, dude is very heavily insisting on his retirement, but he uses every other title but that one.
Scribe of the Dead, indeed. Withers totally was like "You're supposed to be dead but oops, it looks like someone lost the paperwork."
when you write the rules, you also know where the loopholes are
"As thou hast fallen, I am charged to record thine name, but alas forgetful Withers- its Spelling escapes my recollection. Wouldst Thou rise once more to remind me?"
"He only killed his blood, not you."
@@delphy2478 not sure if he wrote this, Kelemvor, god of death and judge in another game (where the player is breaking the rules), say when he started as god, he allowed some freedom of religion, but then people stoped to care about the gods, and so the change was made, the penance in the Fugue Plane, and the Wall of the Faithless, he says stopped to think like a man, and started to act like a god.
@@pbonfanti I keep hearing different stories about the fugue plane... is jergal not the god of the dead? I know kelemvor is a entity in dnd lore but is not touched on much. To me, it seems both withers, myrkul, and kelemvore's job descriptions are very similar. I understand there's subtle differences, such as kelemvore being a "judge" and withers being more "scribe" and myrkul being more "I like bones", but doesn't it seem sorta confusing and redundant to have 3 gods of death?
I love how Withers just kinda does whatever he wants. He refuses to elaborate on anything and only follows the rules when he wants to
He's a god. That's pretty much what all of them do.
He is not a god, he incarnate a DM…
@@JankyDice96he is jergal
@@JankyDice96he’s clearly Jergal. And he’s effectively using the players to clean up the mess he inadvertently created when he gave Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul his portfolio and stepped down.
@@brandonjohnson9876 he’s even worse than the dream visitor in that regard. Literally everybody just wants our help cleaning up messes that THEY MADE. IM JUST A DUDE LOOKING FOR ADVENTURE SOLVE YOUR OWN MF PROBLEMS
"I too, still hold some power..."
- Withers, Master of Understatement
you don't say, lol
He literally was just like “fuk u Ball he’s my kid now”
aka Jergal, god of trols lololol
Compared to what he once had, this is true.
@@beastwarsFTW I think it's moreso that he no longer has worshippers. He never lost his divine status. He's not actively being fed through X amount of means, but he is still a God and has the powers and abilities of one.
I love how Withers was basically like "That's not in my job description, but you're cool so I did it for you anyway"
Yeah even if you were being a complete lunatic throughout your playthrough (which i was all my companions were dead by this time i reached the Bhaal temple) which is hilarious to me because at that point he has to know that you're most likely going to dominate the netherbrain
Withers is the incarnation of a DM.
That's an interesting idea. As a DM, I could definitely see that happening in a game given proper circumstances (such as the ones here and the setup would have to be made).
However, I'd like to submit an idea that he is Jergal... He's a record keeper, he's a scribe, his utter distain towards the Dead Three. The most convincing of all clues though are these two:
1) Loading Screen Tip: "The Dead Three - Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkul - were all once mortal men, but ascended to godhood in a strange bargain with Jergal, the original god of death, murder, and strife."
2) Crumbled Journal found in the Gorion Mausoluem (in Graveyard in Lower City in Act 3) contains the following { I was still a supplicant when I came face to face with him: Masked in gold, his skin fine and worn as parchment. Jergal, the death-keeper, the End of Everything. I asked what he needed of me. He asked a simple question: "What is the worth of a single mortal's life?" I knew not how to respond, and said as such. He seemed nonplussed; neither disappointed nor pleased. I fell to my knees in respect for his awesome power. This garnered no reaction. There I stayed, trembling with an emotion I could not name. And when I stood again, the Finale Scribe was gone. }
I only found this note a while after I posted this video. I swear, every playthrough I find things I never knew existed - it's amazing!
@@Setherioi believe several notes in the game files refer to Withers as Jergal as well!
@@Setherio It's pretty much confirmed, that Withers is Jergal. He even referred to himself as a scribe in this very video. His power over Death is insane. When you play as Karlach and die at the end, he visits you in the afterlife. The afterscene where he talks to The Dead Three kinda makes it obvious that he is a god. Also you find him in a Jergal temple, with the statue of Jergal, which is a skeleton (although he doesn't look like Withers that much)
@@Setherio To add: When you find him - the tomb does describe him as many of his titles. With a 20 check as a paladin - i could sense his energy which was described as: Divine energy - yes. Like death itself, inescapable and overwhelming. He's also avoiding questions which he explains as part of the divine rules.
There is also the ending after credits in which he shows authority of the dead 3 on a personal tone.
Or an avatar of Jergal
Withers: "I cast ressurection."
Ao: "...I'll allow it."
Since Jergal at this point isn't strictly speaking a captial G God anymore, I'm not sure how much authority Ao actually has to stop him.
@@snykyninja5632I'm sure he could he probably just saw it and went ah whatever i don't like Bhaal anyway
@@snykyninja5632 theory is that it's Ao who sent Jergal to help us: "you fucked up with the dead three, now clean up your mess."
Might be why he's so grumpy.
@@snykyninja5632 it's been a very long time. But to my understanding. Jergal wasn't a normal god to begin with. He never had quite the same rules as most of the gods, jsut like Ao doesn't have to follow most of the rules they have to either. So while technically less powerful for giving up undesired parts of his portfolio's to the Dead Three, he is still not powerless and is still by all rights a god. Ao the all seeing is the one he mentions when you first meet Withers, having already seen much of what would come to pass, and the multiple ways it could go.
I don't think it's jsut about cleaning up his mess either, otherwise that could have been tended to in BG2... and technically was...
@@zaelheimricht4978 I'm pretty sure it's actually Helm who does it, but he's essentially an agent of Ao.
I like how in the beginning he clearly doesn't want to be doing this, but as the game progresses realises that the dark urge is cool as fuck and decides to revive him even though he doesn't have to.
I was playing on Honour mode as DUrge and this scene happened to me last night. I was so so so scared my character would really die after rejecting Bhaal and had to start all over again. Seeing Withers coming over and rez my character up and making those badass talks and knowing THAT is how my durge comes back and continue have been such a thrill.
Damn you got the best possible context before seeing this scene for the first time
@@gabrielemblem605 I’ve seen comments people made about how resisting the urge and later rejecting the Bhaal gift is so satisfying but I never saw any vids so never would I have thought I’d really be killed by Bhaal first.
During the cinematic I was really hoping or rather begging for Withers to intervene and stop the kill, but no, my character had to be really be slain first lol. Just when I thought I’ve seen all the scenarios that Larian really has my character killed.
in that context... cool
SAME. I have never lost my mind playing a video game as much as I did when Withers started speaking.
So you get to trade in edgy Bhaal for the OG god of death Jergal as your patron deity/advocate. I consider that a win honestly.
Though to be fair to Bhaal. Appearing as a dark reflection of the messenger in a puddle of their blood in order to communicate face to "face" is one hell of an entrance...
For as Blunt as Bhaal has always been, he has also always been surprisingly skilled at Deception and Theatrics. usually leaning more towards the Theatrics.
Bro was just like “fuk u Ball he’s my kid now”
His favorite has always been doppelgangers, after all@@Quandry1
@@chwaterchearthchfirechair8254 Hm, this is me being pedantic. But hell, it's an opportunity to talk about my favorite games (BG 1 & 2). Doppelgangers aren't really *Bhaal's* favortie creature. Unless there's some lore outside the BG franchise about this that I'm unaware of.
It's actually Sarevok who favors Doppelgangers - even in BG3, when do Doppelgangers start to appear? We start seeing them when we actually start to interact with the Cult of Bhaal, yes; but who is the founder of this cult? Sarevok. Orin took over, but it's really Sarevok's baby - in my eyes. The fact that they're so deeply associated with Baldur's Gate is also something I find interesting.
In the original games, we don't encounter Doppelgangers very often. And when we do, they're mainly around Baldur's Gate and Candle Keep - where Sarevok basically left a legion of Doppelgangers as a kind of spite towards Gorion and his Ward.
Bhaal's not exactly parent of the year, but he _is_ pretty Metal.
I just now realised that Withers is the original god of death... Larian is so good at writing
this story was already kinda writen
You didn't put that together in his temple?
So who was the mykul ketheric was?
Withers is actually Jergal, the god of the End. He held the power of Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul. But he got bored of his position. When the Bhaal, Myrkul and Bane were still mortal adventurers, they seeked power. Jergal made a deal with them and divided up his powers and portfolio among the three of them, making them the god of Tyranny, Murder and Death respectively. He himself just became a scribe. Wheb Withers said that he is merely a scribe, that was when i knew he was indeed Jergal. @@arisgolseen2693
@@arisgolseen2693
He’s jergal
Scribe of the dead
Jergal, Lord of the End of Everything, The Pitiless One, The Final Scribe, The Forgotten One, The Bleak Seneschal, Seneschal of the Crystal Spire, formerly known as The Seneschal of Kelemvor, Lord of Bones, Lord of Death, Protector of the Names of the Dead, King of the Walking Dead, Guardian of the Tombs, Judge of the Damned, The Grim Reaper, or, simply known as Withers
Huh... i wonder if by giving the dead three their godhood, he was able to change from the pitiless one. This feels like an act of mercy Jergal wouldnt have original granted
This reminded me of..ahem...
Oh mighty, Settra... Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of Nehekhara, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shifting Sands, He Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Sultan of Atalan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Gods, Breaker of the Ogre Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Ptra's Holy Blade, Scion of Usirian, Scion of Nehek, The Great, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Royal Herat, Founder of the Mortuary Cult, Banisher of the Grand Hierophant, High Lord Admiral of the Deathfleets, Guardian of the Charnal Pass, Tamer of the Liche King, Unliving Jackal Lord, Dismisser of the Warrior Queen, Charioteer of the Gods, He Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Scarab Purger, Favoured of Usirian, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lord Sand, Wrangler of Scorpions, Emperor of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Khemri's Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curserer of the Living, Regent of the Eastern Mountains, Warden of the Eternal Necropolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Wind, God-Tamer, Master of the Mortis River, Guardian of the Dead, Great Keeper of the Obelisks, Deacon of the Ash River, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Sandstorms, Master of all Necrotects, Prince of Dust, Tyrant of Araby, Purger of the Greenskin Breathers, Killer of the False God's Champions, Tyrant of the Gold Dunes, Golden Bone Lord, Avenger of the Dead, Carrion Master, Eternal Warden of Nehek's Lands, Breaker of Djaf's Bonds... and many, many more...
Simply known as Bone Man
@@gabrielromero4812 Or Bonny, as his friends like to call him
@@svartsjokolade I miss Settra
This entire scene is amazing, my only complaint is i wish there was a little scene right after DUrge dies, of the companions (more so romanced companion) having a reaction to his death, like they run over to his body panicking that they died, and thats when whithers steps in.
Like i said the scene already is amazing but if we got an emotional heart wretching reactions from the companions that would have turned a 10/10 scene to a 1000000/10.
Yes there's a glaring lack of companions interactions in act 3, hope they fixed it in Definitive Edition
Just play D&D with good roleplayers. Problem solved. 😉 I've had so many emotional moments and fun times these past 5 years.
@@Cavmonsterlot harder to coordinate a bunch of adults with different work schedules than it is to turn on your pc. I agree cus I love dnd but it’s not easy for everyone to find kindred spirits who enjoy dnd, there’s so many terrible groups and players out there too
yeah finding a good group to roleplay with that isnt cringe or overacting is even harder@@BobBob-qq9xn
Yep, your romance partner kneeling before Durge's lifeless body with tears in his/her eyes, holding their hand, and a little anticipation, maybe like moving a camera a bit to the exit, giving player a moment to think "damn that's it", only for Wither to interfere, would have been even more epic!
Wow jergal pulling the i have decided im not entirely done being a death god there would have been so many problems avoided if he didn't give the dead 3 their godhood
I mean, Jergal was more of a God of observation than a God of death anyways. His entire thing was taking notes about peoples stories and making sure they went were they were supposed to.
@@ThreeGoddessestrue, the games does directly say he was *the* death god tho. hence the Jergal temple
@birdfurnace that's not what I said.
Jergal was more interested in recording the lives of those who died than in being a death God, which is why he gave up his portfolios to the dead 3.
Jergal just wanted to observe things dying in fulfilling and meaningful ways.
@@birdfurnace Jergal where the god of dead in times so ancient, that gods like Selune and Shar were not even born. The was the bleak Seneschal of the death gods after him.
Times so long ago that not many remembered or lets say worshipped him still, so he only had power for manifesting one avatar, which was Withers.
And yes he is right he stepped down back then and just wanted to observe and scribe and what else
we don't really know the details of why Jergal gave up his power. It could be that the dead 3 were a true danger to him, so he said fuck it i'll let y'all fuck it up and come back once you've fallen apart, which the dead 3 have over and over.
1:10 That person on the upper balcony: "Did I leave the oven on?"
😂😂😂😂
I was totally not expecting this when I played this and was completely blown away. I really thought I was about to reload my game but when Withers comes through to save my Tav I realized I was watching one of the best parts of the whole game.
the people who kept telling me doing a pacifist and remorseful durge would be boring owe me a 2 page written apology
Advocates of cruelty rarely have worthwhile advice to offer.
Withers outright stating he's Jergal (at least his avatar) is everything.
5:36 Considering WHO he is, did Jergal just declare you his chosen and not only brought you back to life, but also literally saved your soul from the wall of the Faithless by declaring himself your patron?
yes, that is quite literally what he did, and we love him for it
Jergal casting revivify like he doesn't spend spells slot
He doesnt. He was an avatar of Jergal, a former god of death from ancient times.
I dont thin it was revivify it was mor likely Resurrection's or True Resurrections
@@andrasfischer3778it is in fact neither spell, where matters of life and death are concerned he is eternally called, he simply took your soul from the fugue plane and put it back in your body
@@achilles8804 it was True Resurrection, the game says so in the combat log
I mean, it's Jergal, implying he needs to cast anything in order to bring someone to or from life is a stretch, it should be as natural to him as walking. @@achilles8804
"You can bring people back from the dead!?"
Withers: "Yes"
"Care to elaborate?"
Withers: "No"
my goat right there
Reading "no" in Wither's voice will be a meme as eternal as him
Easily the best moment in the entire game - Withers walks in and says "you should be dead, but I won't allow it". Legend.
"It's a bit of a cheat, but who's counting" - Doctor Who, before running a starter cable to an Ark of refugees.
Dark Urge seem to be the canon story line to me. going full circle back to the first game which you also played as Bhaal spawn
Withers to Durge: aw cute you've defied a god
Withers to Gale Dekarios the Divine: you absolute donkey you've defied a god what have you done
One is an evil god of death that is using an elderbrain to disrupt balance and the other is Mystra. Different gods have different respect in Wither's eyes
Ao: Hey Jergal you aren’t supposed to interfere.
“lol” said withers, “lmao”
"I am Withers, God of Not Caring."
Ao and Jergal both laughing at bhaal after this
I absolutely love Withers. I wish we could have more interactions with him than the basic ones
Withers says that he stays silent as mortals are easily swayed, yet he may comment when you find a romantic partner... does that mean he ships it
He also calls out every character who doesn't have a partner basically saying they have no rizz 😂
Hey man, recall that when all is dust and bone, it won’t matter
@@thedarkderp2520Withers: No bitches..?
To be fair, telling you that you are the murderer, one of those who were actually reponsible for current crisis is vastly different from him commenting on who you do or do not sleep with 🤣
First off, my char. would not even believe him... Imagine the situation:
Some ghastly, dead dude just arrived at camp and started talking about you being one of the worst mortal pieces of shit there is 🤣
And even if MC believed Withers, then what? You cannot run away or u become Illithid.
The only result this it could have is to push MC towards enslaving brain instead of killing it.
Withers made the right choice, based on his understanding of the nature of the mortals. They would not believe and even if they did, there is literally nothing they could do about it. Worse in fact, some of the companions may even attempt to kill MC for getting them infected(if i remember correctly, originally it was DU char. that helped enslave that brain, not Orin).
Typical grandpa behavior
Wither's is an incredible character.
Plus, a voice like a velvet thesaurus
Well, he is a former god of death, so ancient, that neither Shar nor Selune nor Loth was born by then.
@@i-am-your-conscience8 months late but no selune and shar are the first one(excluding ao) and the 2nd god who born is mystril
@@lightning8577 I talked about God's of Death. He was the first one
@@i-am-your-conscience yea jergal is the first god of death but u said that he exist before shar and selune which is wrong
I love that you just become Jergal's Chosen
Yes it's so epic.
Jergal: yes, i chose you
Player: for what
Jergal: cleaning my mess
This was genuinely the single most badass moment for the entire playthrough for me. I played the entire time resisting my durge instincts as much as possible, so when confronted with the possibility I took it, even if it ended the playthrough. I genuinely thought for a moment it was going to force me to reload an older save or something, and see out bhaal's influence. So when Withers came in and revived my ass my goddamn jaw was on the floor. Absolutely incredible stuff Larian. Bravo.
Durge is definitely the closest thing to a main character in bg3
Dark Urge is the canon character when it comes to how it connects all three Baldur’s Gate games. The other origin characters have no stake in the Bhaal story.
@@jnesis555Dark Urge being a Bhallspawn also coonect them to the story of BG1 and BG2 where it is all about the planned resurrection of Bhall.
@@kuyagab4444 But then the second sundering happened, so all you did in first and second games was for nothing. Great to know.
@@BIGESTblade somewhere out there Gorion's Ward probably says something like "FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!!"
@@kuyagab4444 He's probably in Bhaal's divine realm too, boy he must be regretting his life choices now.
I'd love to see more of Withers. That voice actor was amazing.
Dead Three: NOOO!!! You can’t interfere with our interference! That’s cheating!!!
Withers: Thou art gay and I hath no interest in thee, sons of strange women and faithless fathers.
You almost committed murder. I was this close to dying of laughter.
Durge: “We’re you monologuing while I was dead? I’m sorry, can you repeat everything you said because I was FUCKING DEAD.”
No.
I literally teared up from his speech. Pinnacle moment in gaming for me.
“Lol” said Withers, “lmao” as he walked in, called the dead 3 a bunch of cucks, ressed Durge and pissed on all the rules from the other gods that said he wasn’t allowed to and adamantly refused to elaborate any further. “Wow, what a Chad!” Smirked Shadowheart as Withers walked out the door, laughing at Bhaal
*The virgin greater gods:*
But intruding into mortal matters will surely anger Ao!11!!!
*The Chad Jergal:*
The supplication of Bane, the whimper of Bhaal, the death mewl of Myrkul. Vermin, away!
@@ДмитрийОсипов-м9д
Jergal made the Dead Three into Gods because he was bored with his job, now he'll always have someone to laugh at.
@@citcoin-official2681 dude was so pragmatic he created an eternal laughing stock for his retirement
The best part is that he did all of that without anybody crying about retcons or cheese, they were just like "bone man is real as fuck for this"
Bhaal: “you’re dead now haha.”
Withers: “yeah but what if you didn’t?”
*V-sauce theme*
The fight between Orin and the Dark Urge is so cool. I kinda feel like DU should have just been the default character because it adds so much characterization to the dead three’s chosen.
Considering the original two Baldurs gate games, I expect it was at some point.
IIRC upon reading some articles, the DUrge playthrough is technically the 'canon' one.
I took the slayer form and tore orin apart in two or three turns lol
@@zebraforceone didn't know you could get that form before the fight, is that if you do an evil run?
@@MB-bl4nl dark urge act 2, you'll be told you can kill someone to receive a "tithe"
I thought this dude was straight up a game mechanic for class respec and companion revives. I had no idea how powerful he actually is. He rivals Gaunter O Dimm as my favorite "behind the scenes" powerhouse character
Gaunter still has it to me just because of how twisted he is, and if the common theory of who Gaunter is: how it twists the world. Withers is not much of a mystery who he is. and while it is a surprise it's as cutting as Gaunter is. Ad Gaunter really only gives REALLY vague hints while Withers... well the game screams his identity at you.
Well seeing as Withers is Jergal, it's not surprising. He might have handed 3/4ths of his power off to the dead three because he wanted to be a shut in. But that doesn't change the fact that he is the original god of death.
@@galenjones9529 and there is a strong case that their power is still his power since he wasn't killed for it, he just lent it to them. if he tried to take it back he might have some trouble doing so, or he might not. but then again, one of the powers and/or titles that he kept for himself was Lord of the End of Everything, so he is the dude who gets to say when a god dies.
We all thought the dead three were the ultimate orchestrators of this whole thing, when it turns out, the weird ass skeleton man is the one who's playing everyone like chess
Withers can turn Gaunter O'Dimm into a pot of soup with his left hand while taking a piss with his right.
I love Withers, what an amazingly beautiful and well written character. Long live Jergal!
So Bhaal attempts to rid the world of Durge when Durge says 'I want no part of you!'; and Withers swoops in, resurrects Durge, and adopts them - making Durge effectively immortal (I think - given the comment that as long as Withers endures, so too will Durge; and Withers is immortal - being a God, and all).
I am so happy I'm currently playing a Durge run! The idea that Durge is forever linked to Withers is such and awesome turns of events!
Durge themself is also a bit of an enigma on the “mortality” front, since they were created directly from a piece of Bhaal - in other words it’s not necessarily wrong to say that Durge is a fragment of a god, even if it is a weakened one like Bhaal.
So they may just be immortal on two fronts. Being Withers/Jergal’s chosen, they will persist for as long as he does. And being a demigod sculpted from the flesh of the god of murder, they will live as long as they wish without worrying (much) about age and time.
Whether the latter is the case or not, either way, Durge as Withers’ chosen is going to live for a very long time.
The way Withers says these two lines:
4:25 "...though all the powers of life and death..." and 5:06 "...and prepare for battle once more..."
The actor's delivery is so reminiscent of David Warner's voice as Jon Irenicus.
I don't think it's intentional or meaningful or anything. Just a weird but cool nostalgic vibe.
'''The rules are clear, I should leave you dead, but fuck the rules'' -Withers
As calm and collected Withers is when he talks to you, I can never forget the hilarity that is him talking as a hireling
real shame no reaction from companions when you die in front of them
While I do wish the companions had gotten a chance for reaction I think a lot of ppl's contempt for this scene comes from a misunderstanding of how DND deities and even quasi-deities work. During the time of troubles (about 130 yrs before game start) literally spread his spawn across faerun bc he knew he was gonna get slaughtered, skip to 1482 (10 yrs before game start) the prophecy of his resurrection is completed. BG3 takes a slight side step in which Durge is implicated to not be a bhaalspawn born from a mortal woman but simply a mortal portion of Bhaal. (2 paragraphs of rambling about the theme of Durge as an Eve allegory). BUT this also means that durge for all intents and purposes is effectively just a divine conduit which during the play through of the game gained it's own consciousness which you prove by resisting the dark urge. But since before that final moment of defiance other gods literally cannot intervene. Post the second sundering every god literally shut up as to not piss Ao off for a second time but also started to not interact with each other. To attempt to directly influence a God's chosen would've been asking for another era of upheaval which is what you're attempting to prevent (or cause) through the cult of the absolute. But once you're rejected by Bhaal, Withers (who is Jergel for all intents and purposes within the game) is actually able to step in and tie off at least one thread from his mistake with ascending the dead three.
Well, this IS a Divine Intervention. It's one of the few things that can bring people back from almost anything, even death by Sphere of Annihilation.
I felt such joy at this moment. The culmination of my Durge's desperate desire to deny his doom. Freedom from his urge and the final confirmation of his Paladinic oath
Repenting paladin Durge is canon protagonist for me
He really ressurected you with loopholes in bureaucracy
More went 'I wrote the rules so I bloody well get to break them.'
Withers wording is interesting “death will not claim thee as long as I endure” meaning dark urge might just be immortal now
That is pretty much the consensus yeah, it's pretty neat if you romanced Astarion since it means you're both technically immortal then.
@@leila13dnd I would imagine it's in the "Until your job here is done." kind of way. I imagine Kelemvor and Jergal would get quite the ass-chewing if they just made this powerful adventurer immortal through sheer divine intervention. Even the Chosen of Mystra are only protected from natural death so that the God of Death can eventually take his due.
Think it's more akin to him saying "You trying to kill Durge? Not If I have something to say about it."
@@TheSko90 the thing is, Jergal IS the god of death. If he says he doesn't need that due from you- who's to say no?
It's like how ketheric could never die- but instead of being a fraud who was abandoned by myrkul after he failed, Jergal is here saying he doesn't give a shit because he likes your gusto
hells, he literally spends the whole game True Resurrecting your party members for just 200 gold, pretty sure at the bare minimum as long as you have 200 gold on you- you're set!
@@SylvisNuvara Jergal is no longer "The" God of the Dead. He is a scribe of the dead working under Kelemvor. Understanding the danger the dead three possess, he most likely allowed the resurrections as his contribution to the war effort against the Absolute.
wow so you can actually start as dark urge and then cleanse yourself of that, amazing
it is an uphill battle, but worth it in the end 🔥
I went durge for my run just cuz I saw a cool edgy lizard, really did not expect to end up crying. What a ride this game is
Withers with the clutch save!
The VA and writers did such a good job with Withers. Every time he speaks you can practically feel his quiet power and every statement of intent will be fact.
Again, CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW INCREDIBLE THE WRITING OF THIS GAME IS?!
Man I love Jergal. Record Keeper of the Dead. He just got bored of dealing with dead people on a personal level and decided three assholes would be well more suited to the task.
I like to think Ao made Withers go and be like “Do something about the Dead Three, they’re disobeying the rules”
I like to think that while Jergal's avatar is there to fix the problem he made, Ao also sent him down as a lesson. Kinda like...
"I understand you've been around writing people's fates for so long it's become incredibly boring, and you've disconnected with your portfolio over this bordom. How about this time you go join the adventure for a change? It'll be good for you."
Badass literally said "No" to the Universe.
Bhaal: "Blood for the Blood God and skulls..."
Withers: "Oh, fuck off. Skulls for MY throne."
Such a dope scene, was not expecting it at all
Jergal taking custody of his grandson.
The best thing about Bhaal
Its doug cockle, geralts voice actor
Toss a coin to the lord of murder
At this point if you live on the sword coast you are either gonna get killed by a Baal spawn or you’re gonna get saved by one.
I think the best part about this is. This was literally THE place of worship for bhaal. So chances are he was still watching. He must be fuming knowing he can't do shit since his sect is dead and now you have a near demigod level enemy against your plans.
This scene would have been even better if the eyes on the skull that shows he is here lit up as withers basically mocks him.
The ruins he was resting in were dedicated to thr God of Dead. So I am pretty sure it is who he is. He also got a God of music to PLAY AT THEIR PARTY in the epilog. A god. To play at party. Lol
not just a god, but a god who was trapped in limbo which withers rescued him from to then play at the party
We will be seeing new cinematics for this game for a decade.
A defiant Urge and Withers have honestly such a cool relationship.
In my headcanon my merry band of OCs and their companions band together after the events of BG 3 and end up founding their own adventurers guild.
The one that coins the name is Serkan, my reformed Dark Urge, who through his deep gratitude towards Withers suggests they call themselves the Scribes.
The others are surprised at his suggestion and he's about to retract, thinking the name is terrible, when Kara, the leader of the group, agrees and says it's a good name.
And thus the Scribes were born to witness all greatness in Faerun and carry word of it back home to their most honored patron.
And Bhaal continues to mald about it.
A scribe and advocate of the dead, huh? Guess that answers what happenned to Jergal after all this time. If you didn't know, Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul were inheritors of his powers long ago as mortals. Bane took the right to rule as the foremost of tyrants, Bhaal the power of murder and Myrkul over death and the undead. In giving up his power, Jergal himself was reduced to a deific scribe of sorts of the dead and quietly watched things play out over time. iirc, he's served at least 2 gods of the underworld/death since that giving with Kelemvor currently holding the title and the trio being killed. Of course, Bane and Bhaal returned after their so-called 'deaths', but neither holding any grudge against the lowly senechal.
That is awesome enough to make me consider a dark urge run though I'd have a hard time doing all the horrible stuff up until the end
Feel that. Trying to do The Bard Urge and it’s rather interesting so far
@@ysgramorssoupspoon LOL, I can only imagine it’s like a Metalocalypse episode.
You can still be good and defy your Urge. This is what will happen if you successfully break away from daddy Bhaal.
If you play duege like that, you won't actually get this ending. Becuase you will just be a deranged murderer haha
Bhaal, God of Murder: Commits Murder
Some skelly boy chilling in our camp: how about no
Who would win?
Thr consequences of defying the fabeics of reality or One retired scribey boy
interesting how different his dialogue is depending on your choices
Did anyone tell Withers your character didnt hear most of that?
pretty sure withers was talking to your soul the whole time, not your ears
I've played this game so much and yet I still get amazed by how cinematic the cutscenes are. sometimes I forget i'm playing a game
Everything was so dramatic, then suddenly Cowboy Gale destroys the tension @ 7:30 😅
Jergal quickly rose to be one of my favourite deities in fiction throughout the game. I adore his grandpa mannerisms and nonchalant but indirect care he clearly has for us past act 2 when he has warmwd up to us fully.
Dead three: hey that's cheating!
Withers: I made the rules.
Dead three: 👁👄👁
“Nothing’s going to hurt you, not while I’m aroundddd”
It's cool to think that Durge is now the Chosen of Jergal-one of the oldest and most powerful gods in Faerûn. He didn't really lose anything by defying Bhaal, if anything, he upgraded.
Jergal, Lord of the End of Things ans the God of Not Caring.
A really nice conclusion, I was scared to defy him in my honour run but will do another run where I defy him
Withers, MY GOAT, BEHOLD HIS GREATNESS
You have to love the old man, he cares deeply for his grandkid
I know Withers is technically hiding the fact that he's Jergal, but stuff like this proves that he's really not hiding it that well. What I wouldn't give to call him out just to see his reaction.
it's less that he's directly hiding it and more that he just refuses to proclaim or confirm it
You can if you're a cleric or a Paladin. It's like a 25DC skill check of wisdom if I remember correctly. You understand that he has a divine aspect and he just doesn't elaborate.
Jergal, the god of the end of everything, more like the god of understatement
@@kaanmuhammedgunes1879 playing a paladin durge feels satisfying because of these unique dialogues. It also ties up the redemption story and it explains the divine connection with Jergal. The redeemed paladin durge basically becomes a demigod and Jergal's new chosen
you are jergal!
*"No"*
The expressions Withers makes in this scene are amazing.
He looks so proud that you've overcome the curse of your bloodline.
It’s mostly implied but Withers is supposed to be Jergal, the old god who gave the Dead Three their powers, and I think it’s hilarious every time he intervenes and just dunks on the Dead Three and how much they suck at being gods 😂😂
this speech left me in tears, for real. this game is so impressive
I finally played Dark Urge and reached that point yesterday and damn, it is now my favourite character choice. All the extra flavor across the campaign would've been enough already, but the one on one with Slayer-Orin and this scene completely blow me away.
Wither: I cannot and will not break the rules of life and dead.... except if I get to fuck over the dead 3.
just beat orin and screamed so loud when this happened. this game is insanely awesome!!
I love that Withers doesnt directly intervine in our affairs. Its our story to finish however we see fit but the case of Dark Urge defying Bhaal himself was enough to make him say "I did not expect this at all. You get a freebe."
The real God of Death intervenes
I love how this references bg1 so much. Its cool they made like two games. One thats not totally connected to the other 2. And one thats the same game but so intertwined with the other two. Larian has pry the best writers out there
Nice to see this option. i went full bore evil and gladly accepted his offering. saves me another playthrough so thank you
When mom wakes you up for school in the morning but you just want to sleep.
Ao: Gods can’t intervene
Withers: No…. I am but a scribe
Ao: well played
"Which is exactly why I am not a god anymore. Shit was boring"
That was such a cool moment! First time I got it I thought it was a game over or an ending of sorts. Until a real homie, withered, appeared and saved the run
Withers wields the sort of Arch Lich/Arch Mage power that all wizards dream of.
To create such power within an abandoned vessel would require at least some knowledge of spells beyond even 9th level.
Withers is verified demigod status at minimum.
I wonder if withers is a servant of Myrkul.
I wouldnt be surprised if Bane and Myrkul were out doing things seeing as Bhaal himself makes an actual appearance in Avatar form.(Avatar form is like a max level copy of a God using as much of their power as they are allowed to stuff into a mortal vessel.
Just manifesting an Avatar takes alot of power.
I imagine Bhaal is more than furious for this failure.
He’s Jergal, the original god of death before the dead 3 took it from him
@harrycunliffe1914 ahhhhh. So does this take place before Cyric overthrows the Bone Castle and Kelemvor takes over?
@@harrycunliffe1914 The dead three didn't take shit, Jergal gave them his godhood for some reason I've forgotten.
@@whitewall2253 something something grown weary of sitting on the throne so Jergal "retires" yada yada
@whitewall2253 Jergal never gave it away. If anything he just made sure they knew about the process to ascension and that a particular weapon out there could do the job allowing them to take a gods place.
The dead three ascended because they were able to remove the gods they tried to replace when before mortals just struggled to temporarily slay gods.
In the end they only partially succeed.
Bhaal and Bane maintained the most power while now Myrkul is just a lap dog for the new god of the dead.
I got this scene the other night and it was such a satisfying end that the idea of defeating the netherbrain etc feels about as significant as taking out the rubbish.
At least I have the Raphael fight to look forward to on that save, but for now I'm just restarting another durge lol.