Kristen Pfaff Was Married! New Biography | Rare Wedding Photo
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A new Biography about the life of Kristen Pfaff has been written by, Guy Mankowski. Will it reach for the truth and help to bring justice to Kristen's family or will it be another story according to what Courtney Love & her attorney's will allow to be told? I am excited but proceeding with caution.
However, I haven't even had a chance to read the book yet & have already learned a couple amazing things about Kristen Pfaff I'd like to share with you in this video.
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Average view duration is 8:57 and talk of Kristen's marriage begins right after 8:57. Lol. Just a heads up.
SpyFox, you got your glasses fixed. You are a blessed man. Keep doing what you're doing 👌. I would love to see Kurt's death switched from suicide to find who all helped him come to an end. Justice will be served....
Actually it's
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Have you read or listened to Mark Lanegan's memoir? Some telling stuff in there regarding Kristen and of course Kurt and his "wife" that just adds to the idea CL has blood on her hands. She must be one of the only people I actively hate without having met.
@@BryanHRBrodie I've read the bit (or at least part of it, thanks to Google Books) where he describes encountering Kristen at Kurt's memorial service. The way he writes about her is very vulgar, and it left a bad taste in my mouth, so to speak.
@@BryanHRBrodie Yes.
Kristen is from my hometown of Buffalo, she's buried at Forest Lawn cemetery where several presidents are buried as well as Rick James and others. I might pay her a visit a leave a flower from us all here at ASF ❤️
That'd be lovely, she's a huge inspiration to me as I'm very similar to her in terms of personalities and the fact we both like cheerleading and punk rock. Also we clearly both have the same taste in guys (kurt) lol. We all miss her. 💓 R.I.P
@@bruiseviolet777 that's awesome you were a punk cheerleader. I feel a connection with Kristen from our hometown but also because I admire her studying and playing music it's something I always wanted to learn professionally, I self taught in my 20s but stopped playing, need to start again. I was 9 when SLTS came out , the other girls were crushing on NKOTB, they were "cute" but my crush was Kurt. I never really had crushes on celebrities tbh Kurt was really my only true celebrity crush until this day. I thought others were cute but my 9 yo self wanted to marry Kurt LOL. I've been thinking of contacting ASF and seeing if the community wants to write messages to Kristen and I can leave them with a flower, I can record myself doing it so you all can see the grave site but I don't want any credit for it, I'd rather remain anonymous because 15 min of clout off anyone especially a celebrity I love and respect who's passed away, isn't my thing. ❤️🙏☺️
@@TheSunshine814 Aw thats very nice you and Kristen are so similar. I always beat myself up for being born too late, I consider Kurt to be the male version of myself because of how we're literally the same person. (Our birthdays are EXACTLY a week a part in terms of day) And like you, I've always wanted to marry Kurt LOL. I totally think us here in the ASF community would be up for it, and it's really punk rock of you to remain anonymous and not take advantage of Kristen like Courtney and her leeches did. You have my full support!
@@bruiseviolet777 I am going to think about it, I might just quietly leave some flowers for us all. The only reason I would want to do more is to have everyone feel included like they are there too but I wouldn't want it to feel like a spectacle so to speak so it may not be a good idea. I feel energetically Kurt and Kristen both have a strong connection with their fans still, in a spiritual sense, if you believe in that sort of thing. It's like a big family. Grateful to have connected with you all here :)
A flower would be very sweet🌼
Kristen's mother wrote a book about her called "Unfinished Rhapsody: The Other Side of Fame" about 10 years ago and mentioned that she got married while in college, or shortly thereafter and kept it a secrete. I believe she mentioned in the book at Kristen was afraid of Courtney and wanted out. Also Kristen and Patty were essentially contractors and not really official members of Hole.
The close proximity of Kurt and Kristin in that party. She grew despondent after Kurt's death and wanted to get away from Seattle and Courtney.
I love to learn about Kristen. Thank you
American Spy Fox you should write a book with honor and truth for Kristen. You can blow the lid off this. New generations deserve to be her adoring fans. With the twists and turns I can even see a really good movie full of her music and genius.
I fully understand why Kurt loved her beautiful soul. ❤️🔥
I wish so bad those missing pages were in her cassettes tapes as well ..
Ooh, very interesting possibility. I hope to goodness that they are and Kristen recorded those entries. 🥀
Kristen looked divinely beautiful in that gorgeous wedding dress.
Kristen and Kurt are up in heaven making badass music together!!❤
Maybe having some sexynakedtime together too.
...Wait, is that allowed in Heaven?
You put me onto Janitor Joe, that album Big Metal Birds and its one of my favorites its been steady in my rotation! Kristen Pfaff is such a badass in that band. I wish she never left it and they made more albums. I know she wouldnt have made nearly as much money but …maybe also she wouldve had an actual future as an alive person. Keep it up Spyfox ur awesome
No matter how well you have researched a topic, you can still have new revelations. No-one can know literally everything there is to know about a topic.
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I think Kristen and Kurt had a fling. And they were both leaving Seattle and Courtney found out
one interesting thing about her wedding photo - her dress is black, not white which confirms that her marriage was more like an act of defiance than anything else.
I just joined the group. Excellent video! I’ve been subscribed to this channel for a few months now.
I am amazed and really glad that Kurt and Kirstin’s death and circumstances are still being talked about, especially in such a thorough and intelligent manner.
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At first I thought you meant that you just joined the group, Hole.
@@subrosa4792 - LOL - Sorry, I should have clarified - I ment the Facebook Group. Even if I had any musical talent, I'd never have anything to do with Courtney!
One doesn't have to implicate Love to demand a thorough investigation, thus no fear of a lawsuit.
Same is true for Kurt.
You're right, and I've thought about the possibility it is someone else. Kurt started hanging around some real shady people at the end. But what would they have to gain. Greed is a huge motivation and only one of many she expressed at the end of his life.
@@AmericanSpyFox Spyfox the issue is the people that Kurt hung out with would want Kurt to keep living im sure many of them got free drugs from Kurt.
Getting ready to watch, my mind is already blown from the title.
I’m surprised, I didn’t know Kristen was married
Very very briefly. Her mother mentions it in her own book, specifically how surprised the whole family was!
I'm surprised;
I didn't know PUNK ROCK was a verb and an adjective!
@@lawdawg6730 Me neither
As much as love Nirvana, there was wicked things going on
We are left to ponder what could have been, had Kristen and Kurt been able to make good their escape from Courtney. Would they have collaborated? Would they have become a couple? Would they have taken a new musical direction, perhaps a happier one, once they had made a new start?
Rock & roll has always been about expressing angst. It is beautiful to think that Kurt and Kristen could have gotten past their own angst in a new city, and done something wonderful. Given her musical education and background, and pairing it with his fame and notoriety (and her beauty; we know what sells, and she did resemble Kate Bush), it might have led to a mainstream rebirth of prog.
You are lying about everything. You knew they were never going to get married. What are you trying to do
Great video!
Cobain had a crush on her! Said she was really talented!!
whaaattt no way!? always makes my day when there’s a new ASF video!
Wow I had no idea about this. Thank you so much for uploading this, this brings so much new information and speculation into the light.
Imagine the Pfaff family has an NDA with Love, as per her offer to honor the life of Kristin with an annual annuity to the family for not publicly questioning the circumstances of her death.
Don't underestimate Love's ability to make offers under sympathy to shield herself from further scrutiny.
Also, don't underestimate the ability for the victim's family to compromise for their own peace and financial security. and
100❤️ you got a whole band with that, baby!
That would also make sense too as to why in the MTV interview w Courtney & hole, when Courtney was getting pissy w Eric she states "well you would've quit after your girlfriend died" (something like that, for sure she says girlfriend & died) rather than saying Kristen's actual name, especially since she was talking the situation kinda in a negative way
@@jadeariellevaughn4695 That interview is with the Canadian channel MuchMusic. That clip is right at the beginning of ASF's video #15, and indeed it is a painful moment. The interviewer goes quiet, along with everyone else, even the people (Eric Erlandson & Patty Schemel) who have essentially stood by Courtney. Melissa Auf Der Maur just seems awkward, as she of course was not involved with the band at that time and wouldn't have much of a perspective.
Patty is interesting; she was very close to Kristen (they were roommates during the tumultuous recording of Live Through This); apparently Kristen even had a bisexual experiment with her! Sadly, they were using drugs together, and yet, to the amazement of the production crew, they were nailing their parts, at times in a single take. Patty had a front-row seat to Courtney's abuse of Kristen, and it seems safe to assume that she knew how close Kristen & Kurt were. Patty was also close with Kurt; there's a cute picture of the two of them lying/laying on either side of Frances.
Through it all, Patty takes great offense at anything other than the "official story" around Kurt's death. Courtney did save her from homelessness by paying her to drum on Courtney's flop of a solo album, and that's no small thing. Even so, it all makes me wonder.
@@scottcharney1091 No bisexuaI experiment at all... Kristen dated Jenni Olson from the late '80s to the early 90s and was brokenhearted when Jenni dumped her. Kristen was into females way earlier than Seattle. Before Kurt's deth, the rumor was that Kristen was with Patty and Eric and that she had tried to have something with CL too (Kristen knew CL had slept with many women in the past). KP was thought of as being promiscuous, which honestly I don't know if was the case, but if she was, good for her! Nothing wrong with sleeping around when you're in your late 20s.
NDAs are automatically null and void if ANY illegal activity has taken place, so the law is on their side. However well all know that ppl with a lot of money can make their targets life very hard while sending them broke, so I get it.
Sorry, but if Kristen self administered the heroin to herself with a needle, then that's her fault not Courtney. She was a heroin addict and she relapsed. Most heroin fatalities are when users have been clean from drugs for weeks or months.
Nobody made her inject, but if Erlandson brought heroin to her, and it appears that he did, he knew damn well what would likely happen. It gets worse if Kristen didn't request it (bringing heroin to someone in recovery will trigger a ferocious relapse, and he knew this), and worse still if the dose was especially pure, or even tainted. This is where the unseen toxicology report becomes very interesting, especially considering who performed the autopsy.
Spoke a lot, but didn't actually say anything.
Mind blown just from title!
And I KNOW u don’t do clickbait.
Dude, same thing happened to me(+I found out today another kid I grew up with passed away leaving 2 young daughters. I don’t have a bad word to say about him...good family, such a shame...) I went to school w/this kid until HS. He wound up having a kid+getting married far too young. His neighbor he’d known his entire life(5yrs older than us, I didn’t know her, different schools, towns, “posses”(Haha)-u get the story. She was an insomniac like yours truly+called him around midnight as she wanted to see if he had anything to help her sleep. He said all he had was a Xanax(alprazolam)+she went outside to meet him-the same street they’d played kickball on
so innocent@the time. He had empathy. I can’t see ppl suffer needlessly...unless they really don’t deserve it bc they are some scum in the years since we fireflies of
...was falling into old P+P habits. Long story short, she goes home, drinks, a little diesel(u gotta take the laughs when u can! They would about u! N everyone would laugh. I didn’t need a shrink(then.) So much more chill we were, never stressed school, n then the bottom fell out of my perfectly curated world all4naught. So sheltered! Not anymore! Oh bc I have to rejoin the channel since expired cards generally don’t do it4u. I know. I’m a fkn shaman
Didn't She say "That Boy broke my heart" Could have been something like that.
The quote in the original article is, I think, "He broke my heart, you know?"
I had heard of you back then!!!!!!! I have had 3 accounts over the last several years, you been on them all the last two, I have had to look you up! Yr one of the best accounts out there!!!l
With respect, you're assuming that the Rehab was completely negligent in not telling their patients about the risk of overdose in the newly clean. And if the Rehab failed to sufficiently explain those risks, surely that's something the family would've pursued by now?
Every detox and rehab teaches this and WARNS of that happening with everyone who attends the groups and meetings.
It was like this in the 90s too.
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I always felt so much empathy with MRS PFAFF.
It is a horrendous feeling of IMPENDING DOOM to have a child who is an addict.
Even while in recovery, your every step is one waiting for that bad call.
God Bless MRS PFAFF and I am glad she kept those wackos away from her home to keep her daughter's legacy and dignity more significant than some sicko junkies who killed her daughter outta fear that she may someday tell the truth as well as have ng a much better band than hole.
(My phone kept typing HIKE instead of hole.
Hole can take a hike!....
That's what's going on here!)
RIP KP
I just wanna HUG her MAMA!!!
Every junkie now's this.
I remember hearing the news in April 1994
. I've been following this case for years and I'm amazed at how much new info is coming out and your coverage is fantastic, thank you. I had no idea about the Kristen story. I am worried you might end up being targeted legally or worse. Stay safe brother keep up the fight , the truth has a way of finding the light.
Don’t be too judgemental with the author. While I’ve actively soaked up as much about Kurt as I’ve been able to, while it doesn’t happen a lot, I do still come across information I wasn’t aware of previously. I’m sure there is plenty that Michael Azarad wasn’t aware of and he had HOURS alone with Kurt and I’m sure had conversations that were just small talk that he hasn’t previously mentioned. Unless someone has been with you non stop and is totally open with you, it’s difficult for any human to know absolutely EVERYTHING about another person, especially with someone who is only marginally famous that had many interactions with others that haven’t been largely discussed.
It wouldn't be surprising if she wrote anything in the likes of Rosemary Carroll's recording when she thought CL had something to do with KC's death beyond the already known. Not sure if there was something else to say or was she just hurt about Kurt's death.
Correction. Money can hide violence. Power is in people.
Her tombstone had a circular disk set into it that looks like it was removed or perhaps was never set in due to theft risk
. That whole story sounds like a trap situation..
One thing... What were the things that the author learned new about Kristen Pfaff?
What I've found, from my friends death, that the only time the people get charged (at least in MD) is if they sold the drugs under false pretenses • if they stated the drug was heroin but was actually fentanyl, they will be charged • if they stated the drug was dope, and it indeed was clean dope, they wouldn't be charged.
The only reason the two went to prison for my friends death was because the dope was sold under false pretenses • if you just decided to hit the drug as hard as you normally do, after you've stopped for a while, unfortunately, that's all on you (which I've also seen w a handful of friends,)
But if Eric was sitting there pressuring her to use regardless of her reactions & feelings & wants..... Yeah youre going down
That's very interesting about drug charges, I'm not sure if that would have been in place in the 90s tbh if drugs are found, with a dead body then it makes for lousy police work IMHO. Whilst possible she could have relapsed, if Courtney or Eric did visit the night kp died it warrants further investigation. However we know that Courtney used to rat out dealers she fell out with. She would probably have been outside of suspicion so not to lose her in a big drug bust.
@@jackyyoung1247 If Kristen requested "one more for the road" (from a pay phone when she and Paul Erickson took a break from packing??), Eric still should not have brought it to her. He knew damn well what would likely happen to someone who had been clean for so long, and he knew that she was happy being clean, and was within hours of getting away. The situation looks even uglier if she didn't request it, as bringing heroin to someone in recovery will trigger a ferocious relapse. It gets even worse if the heroin was highly pure, or contaminated. This is where the unreleased toxicology becomes very relevant, especially considering who performed the autopsy!
Charlie interesting video, but haven't you ever wondered about Det Terry's death and rumors surrounding it? Apparently he had Intel to carry out a huge drugs bust. Maybe the circumstances surrounding Kristens death was leading him to the big fish in the supply chain
Definitely looking forward to the second part 👍 edit: and the new nirvana series vids .
You're correct, murder has no statue of limitations.
Although Manslaughter does have a statue of limitations which would be the charge in a situation where drugs were supplied to someone who ends up dying.
If you get to do a TED talk on Courtney Love, If you get to do it, Give it to 'em man! No fear!
Why would TED want a talk on Courtney? lol
This channel needs another growth spurt. It should be shown everywhere now.
Thanks for uploading this video and can't wait for the next one! I too wonder whether or not this book will be detailed or more of a way to make money. If you're gonna write an autobiography, you need to know practically everything, even what you don't include in the book. You shouldn't suddenly not know things that other people know about when those other people aren't writing the book. Sometimes you might miss a fact or two, but I feel like it's more than they just missed a couple things during the research period. Hopefully the book being made for money is not the case, but we'll have to see. Also, you make a great point that even if Kristen took the drugs, someone gave them to her and she was not looking to die. She was looking to leave. Her life was taken if she herself took the substance.
It won't be an autobiography, as those are written by the subject.
These days with the amount of censorship, false narratives spread by the mainstream media, & just the general feeling I've gotten within the last 2 years when it comes to stories like this, it would be a miracle if it wasn't just Courtneys bs version of events. Think about it. What publisher would be ballsy enough to release it otherwise? And what manager or author would risk all the time & effort if it wasn't 100% full proof? The world has really become bunch of scared whimps.
@@natalie_rose2861 You really had to tie all that boilerplate rhetoric in there, didn't you?
@@cammybrasenose2135 if you are writing a book on a person, you have to talk to people and gather as much as you can do you can decipher what you will put in the book. Like I said, you can miss a fact or two, but you should have a majority of info if you are a biographer.
@@cammybrasenose2135 I’m just stating this dudes job as a biographer. If he doesn’t state things that he should know about, especially if it’s something the general public knows or someone who he has access to talking to knows, he’s not really doing his job. Part of being a biographer is being a researcher and fact checking. Yes, we’ll have to see what he does in the end, and I’m hoping he does this book well.
Thanks for the upload and I do miss Kristen very much and she sure did have a lot of talent. RIP Kristen,
Yes i agree. Find out ALL you can before you write the book not after it's written. Shame if He has all this info but can't share it. That seems to be the same omd story then, can only share what is allowed.
Hope this book won’t be like the disastrous Adriana Rubio story on Layne. Unfinished rhapsody the book her mom wrote was good, she alluded to some stuff but never elaborated . I have it someplace
Well, a guy gave my girlfriend and even injected her with Methadone and that killed her. He wasn't convicted, they ruled it as an accident. I wish we would live in the U.S. and your state!
I had no idea that Kristen Pfaff was once married. Hopefully it is not some cash grab. But you know the authorities and people implicated by the notion that they actually did it, are going to want to chime in on the official findings regarding her death.
Great vlog. Lots of interesting thoughts. Just wanna say that I don't know the other holtz.
😂 Hahahahaha 😂
No one wanted Kristen dead. I love your channel and sometimes don't have the same point of view. Courtney was jealous of her I really believe but she didn't kill or have her killed. Eric loved Kristen and was hoping they'd get back together. Anyway I love you thank you for all the Nirvana videos
Well considering Courtney & Eric were the people she'd gotten drugs from then that would make them responsible. But even with the insane amount of red flags like the missing chunk of journal pages, Courtney being involved in 2 ODs of people close to her after returning from rehab, her being the last one with her belongings, etc. it's likely that your opinion whether true or not will end up the 1 permanently carved into the history books.
@@natalie_rose2861 I agree. and Kurt made Courtney sign a pre-nup before they married in 1992. She saw that Kristen and Kurt were potentially becoming smitten. She was a jealous person, very narcissistic, smart, and Machiavellian. She could not live with Kurt falling for her bassist of all people, who happened to be much more talented musically and had much more creative interests in common with Kurt. She could not deny that Kurt would be drawn to her, and that Kristen would easily reciprocate interest as well. Courtney had every motivation to prevent that from happening. She could not live with getting divorced, being left with barely a fraction of Kurt's networth at that point which would've been child support for Frances. So she hired Allen Wrench, a psycho Satanist, to have Kurt killed, and then she had eric the hole guitar player purposely tempt Kristen to use heroin again even though she'd been sober for several months, and ended up Od'ing her. Thats why Eric was a blabbering mess at her funeral that he wasn't invited to, because of the guilt. Courtney was notoriously known for having more drugs connections than a CIA drug trafficker. She's known to use drugs with other famous musicians, Scott Wieland etc.
@@mercutiomurphy2743 she’s the common denominator 💀
@@mercutiomurphy2743 One thing wrong is that the prenup was insisted by Courtney, not Kurt. Courtney supposedly had money from an inheritance at a younger age, I think it was fame she was after, not necessarily money.
Kurt and Kristens deaths were also right before and during the time Holes popularity was really taking off. If there's one thing Courtney knows its the press, which she used to her advantage all the time. Having her new, hot, musically talented bassist quit her band and get with her husband and involve a messy divorce, where revelations about her might surface, right before or as Live Through This is coming out would have made for some interesting headlines and painted Courtney in a pretty bad light and probably would have turned Kurts fans against her. Instead she gets the grieving widow to the voice of a generation narrative and in a sense gets to pick up where Kurts "martyrdom" left off. I think his death definitely helped propel her career more, or at least in a different trajectory than it would have taken had he lived and they split up.
There are rumors kristen hooked up with Layne, and it's a known fact ( based on patti schemel) that she was sexually involved with Eric and patti schemel at the same time. Then she also went after mark lanegan at Kurt's funeral. Kristen shouldnt have died the way she did but I think she made courtney lose her mind with jealousy. It makes me so sad...I wonder if kurt died because of the supposed affair kristen was also having with kurt. Kristen also had an intense relationship with a woman in college and the woman wrote a eulogy for kristen in 94. ( its doubtful that kurt had an actual affair with kristen since he had just bought a mansion with courtney in Jan of 94)
Interesting. I love the stories.
She wasn't having an affair with KC.
@@lawdawg6730 Indeed. It appeared to Courtney that things were trending that way ("you constantly make eyes at my husband"), but things never got to that point.
I've read the excerpts from Lanegan's book. He wrote about her in a very vulgar way; it left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@lawdawg6730 God, I hope not. It breaks my heart
I casually knew Kristen during her days in Janitor Joe in 1992, I have spoken to Guy on X, he made it sound like there are definitely aspects of Kristen’s death he won’t share, it’s my opinion that the Plaff family is scared of Courtney & to a lesser extent Eric.
Kristen's wedding photo almost looks gothic. Wearing black to a wedding was pretty punk rock of her.
I wonder what Kristen’s biological father has to say, if he’s still about?
Interesting to hear about this "whole Ted Talk process before you're allowed to speak", especially in regards to those outrageous personalities and their extreme beliefs that are allowed to speak there, like the chick that tried to morally justify the perverted drive of "minor attracted people" - which is disgusting! Somebody must have audited them and allowed them to speak anyways.
Hi,I tried to join the fb group numerous times but the questions to be answered to join do not have any options for the answers,just a box to tick.Can this be fixed or is there something I'm missing
Mayb another person will write a book about the whole truth,that is how to honor her life. Sounds like that guy dropped the ball. I got alot of friends in Seattle all in the music scene.
Dude, I'm glad you bring up tolerance. I have never believed the claim that Cobain was "too high" to move, much less attempt suicide. This theory completely ignores tolerance, which a deep pocketed rock star is bound to have high levels of.
Courtney may be a horrible human who's incapable of empathy but that is a far cry from being a criminal mastermind with two deaths under her belt. The only thing that ever held me from believing Cobain was murdered is the fact that none of his bandmates and band techs ever accused Courtney of anything despite half of them hating her guts and believing that her caustic personality is what led Cobain toward addiction, if not suicide.
It's pretty easy to see that there is no love lost between Courtney and Dave + Krist. I can't imagine Krist covering for Courtney if he truly believed he was murdered. After all, he disapproved of their marriage so much that he didn't even attend the wedding and this is a guy who knew Cobain from high school. The fact that he never accused Love of anything despite the constant conflict between them after Kurt's death speaks volumes.
Not to forget the testimonials given by people who were in Cobain's circle of drug friends. Mark Lanegan never bought the murder theory either and he used to cop drugs for Cobain when he became too popular.
Makes perfect sense, people aren’t going to like it.
I'm an ex heroin user, tolerance does a play a big part, but the amount found in Kurt was more than the seattle police department had ever seen in an OD before, many forensic experts claim its an incredibly high amount and impossible to do that much and stay conscious. He probably wouldnt even die from it but he's gonna fall out almost immediately and just be breathing really slow and shallow.
I had one known OD and I was out like a light before the needle was outta my arm. Luckily I was with people during that incidence cause I had one weekend where I was by myself and fell out probably 5 times in a row, every time I did a shot I was out almost immediately, then I'd wake up and do it again. I had problems hitting veins at the time so I was doing more than I knew I probably should but I wanted to make sure I got enough and didnt have to try and do more over and over. Plus I was just bad into my addiction at that time, but my tolerance was fairly high. I remember doing a shot while sitting in a chair, got my tie off and needle out and almost instantly nodded off, then at some point I fell face first onto the floor which woke me up for a second and hurt like hell, I tried to push myself up with my arms but they just kinda gave out and I fell right back down and went to sleep.
In my opinion, it would be incredibly hard to do what Cobain did, take a hot hot hot shot, much more than he knows he can tolerate to get the job done, take his tourniquet off and the needle out of his arm, put the cap back onto the needle, put both items back in his box, then grab the long barrel shotgun and awkwardly get in some kind of position well enough to shoot himself. The clocks ticking as soon as he starts to push that plunger. I had literal seconds every time it happened to me.
@@RxYouth Man, of course it's possible. You're mentioning the days that you got really out of it but you and I both know it's not always like that. When you're at the threshold of needing to increase your dose, you can barely taste the same hit that put you out a month ago.
Someone like Kurt with near infinite disposable income would have been supplanting his H with various other stuff. I might be wrong but I believe Mark Lanegan once spoke about a whole box of suboxone that he gave him in his book. It is not inconceivable that Kurt would take oxy's or methadone to stay well when he's trying to stay off of the stuff. Nothing gets your tolerance up like taking on methadone imo. You end up taking absurd amounts just to get a faint taste of it in your breath.
Semi-synthetic stuff like methadone last a really long time too. Once your tolerance is up, nothing except dosing down or quitting cold turkey brings it back down. This is why so many people end up mixing drugs in the end.
Hope you're doing better nowadays brother, from one pained soul to another.
@@JM-ym8mm I understand what your saying, I'm on suboxone now, been on it for years and understand what it's like to relapse with long lasting stuff like that in your system. I'd usually wait til the withdrawal effects came on before doing any opiates and that first hit was never great altho I would feel it, but it's easy to quickly get back into the swing of things after that and have the H effect you just as it used to. It really doesn't take that long to switch back and that tolerance is mostly just while that stuff is in your system. Was Kurt for sure taking methadone before this? What did they give him at rehab? Either way that would only be a day or two of that before switching back which isn't that long.
All I'm saying is if Kurt did as much as is perceived, more than Seattle Police department had ever seen in a user's body who'd ODd, and were talking one of the heroin capitals of the world at the time, they saw a lot of ODs, and enough for medical forensic experts to take note and say it's extremely high, then he must have been doing or did quite a lot, and I imagine a good amount of that came just before he allegedly shot himself. It's one thing to have a high tolerance that builds up over time it's another for most experts to say, wow I've never seen that much in somebody's system before. H has a pretty short half life so imo what was in his body was mostly from his last day maybe two. Another factor is he had benzos in his system, which give opiates a stronger or greater effect, possibly making what he did even harder to do.
I guess it really just depends on how much he actually did before killing himself. I'd love to learn from someone like Dylan what his typical daily use was and compare that to what was found in his system. I still think IF he did a hot hot hot shot right before death, a high tolerance isn't going to matter if your doing an extreme amount like that, you're still going to lala-land pretty dang quickly and your motor functions are gonna be pretty impaired, add some benzos to the mix and it's probably even harder to function and stay awake (altho I'd say benzos would definitiy help make it easier to commit the deed mentally).
It's not like he hadn't ODd multiple times before, I've heard he did a few times that last month or two, he was even left in the trunk or back of a car as those around him didn't want to get in trouble for having a dead rock star in their house. He wasn't superman or impervious to falling out due to his tolerance, if he took a lot, much more than normal, he's going night night before he even knows it. It all just depends how much he took at time of death, if multiple experts say it's high I'm gonna trust they understand what most heroin addicts toxicology reports look like and know what's normal and what's not, and Cobains was supposedly off the charts.
Kristen's family are tightly knit so I wouldn't judge them for looking out for each other first - if they're too afraid of being sued for something Kristen said over twenty five years ago, it must be something really major. It's frustrating that they refuse to talk about it, even though I understand. To them Courtney seems literally above the law and beyond the reach of justice. Courtney may have access to the best lawyers money can buy, but the Pfaff family needs to understand that they're not alone and that hundreds of thousands of people, myself included, will chip in money to help fun their legal costs. They need to start a GoFund me project to sue Courtney first lol. Or maybe they'll use the money generated by this biography to battle Courtney later.
Hi I literally just added the fb page, I watch ur videos on here religiously. Thank you. I had a question for you. Have you read or heard of the book called Unfinished Rhapsody by Janet Plaff? And if so ur thoughts on it.
I am curious about the journal and the missing pages from when Kurt died. I know you said she never ripped pages out prior, but it did have me think about a couple of possibilities. Either Courtney ripped them out or Kristen did and she did that because she wanted to keep those entries in a special, secret place, or maybe even she did it because of how emotional everything that took place during that time was. Maybe she did it out of grief and decided to put them somewhere else. With the fact that she had never done something like that before, I feel as though Courtney probably did it, seeing as she did all kinds of stuff to Kurt's journals before and after his death. These ideas were just things that came to my mind.
Oh....c hole and e hole def ripped those out.
It was not just evidence....it was the absolute TRUTH which would've put em both behind bars for a lil bit
I can see Courtney ripping those pages out, especially if they said something like “looking forward to getting out of here tomorrow because I feel my life is in danger”, and maybe to go on to say the reason why with names…”Courtney found out that Kurt and I were in love, and that we wanted to fly away from here and leave this all behind us, so she had Kurt killed and I feel I’m next,” allegedly. Just saying, because it had to be something pretty incriminating for those pages to be ripped out.
@@kimcorsi6560 yeah, I think more than likely Courtney or Eric ripped them out, but those theories came to mind as smaller possibilities as I was watching the video. Courtney and Eric did have a lot on the line if those pages said anything that would give answers or suggest anything that was going on at the time that they want kept secret.
Courtney is a psychopath. Everything she does is part of a plan
I don't think that Courtney ripped them out. She's too much of a coward to go to Kristen's death scene. Or Kurt's. She lets other people do the dirty work...
Do the TedX it will at the very least spread Kurt Cobain's name around even more!!! Hopefully get some signatures on the petition!
It is gut wrenching what happened to KC and KP. Horrible. CL and EE are so very suspicious. They are not good people, they were not good friends to people, they are 2 very toxic people.
w regards to KP, I do think they handed her the drugs. Particularly EE. I'd say it was a bet to get her hooked and get her to stay with CL and EE. However, I don't think any of this will ever mean anything legally due to KP being a full adult, responsible for her own actions. It's sick and wrong, but it is true. We can all know how dark it all was, but the law and the world will always just see it as an addict who did what addicts do. whereas the whole thing is a lot more nuanced and twisted!
I really admire your dedication in sifting through these facts and finding truth within the lies and rumours. I have learned so much about all of these people and things just started making sense. I have love for CL but its waning as i realise she is not the feminist icon she pretended to be. There are so many god damn lies perpetuated by her and EE.
If he is still finding out things after the fact I would not hold it against him. I’m shure he did the best he could
There is such a thing as updating a book and adding a chapter. A college textbook is a great example.
This is why it is important to NOT make statements based on your opinions which sound like facts, especially when most of your viewers are young.
I've NeVeR thought that KC and KP were in love.
That second airplane ticket was for the Bean.
Right; Kristen was back in MN at the time. Did Kurt want to fly there with Frances?
You don't have to buy tickets for babies.
@@wantutosigh1117 that's false. You absolutely have to buy a plane ticket for a baby.
@@hwoods-kg1jf ok..I thought it was strange that you wouldn't have to, but before 9/11 you could have a baby under 3 on your seat.
They certainly don't cost the same.
You can always tell weather pictures of Eric Erlandson are pre April 94 and Post April 94. He cut and dyed his hair like Kurts iconic crop right around this time. Its creepy. You dont have to do too much critical thinking to realize him and Courtney probably had a conversation about it, about how he should adopt that cut and color to attract all the "lost Nirvana fans".
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I don’t think the whole selling opiates, then the person dying, then the seller or dealer gets charged with involuntary manslaughter/legality thing you mention existed back in 1994 necessarily.
All depends on the DA it's not that common at all, junky's cop for each other all the time
Don't know her
Very kind of a person backing up the truth
kristin seemed too smaRT FOR A DO TOO MUCH SITUATION! I DIDNT KNOW HER THOUGH.
I don't know if you knew but Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth wrote a book and she talked about Courtney and Kurt as well. Basically confirming a lot we already knew. She is a sociopath, manipulative and jealous. Kurt once talked to her about his problems, saying courtney thinks frances liked him more than her. Fyi.
Your Channel deserves to blow up bro, you are a better journalist as an amateur then most professional ones
what a beauty she was. so sad...
The P-Faff!
That’s why I’m worried about relapsing. A lot of people die that way It’s very common. Why is her own family silencing her You can’t be sued for your opinion. Regardless if somebody willingly shoots up I don’t agree with arresting the dealer nobody forced them to do it. If that’s the case . Unless it’s intentional but that’s hard to prove
I would love to join the chat. Because some of this stuff is wrong with the new fans that was not alive at the time
Hey… are you SURRRRE it’s gonna be the last Nirvana series vid? I mean are you SURRRRRRRRE?
What is the title of the music at the beginning ?
Charles you should definitely give a Tedex speech, you're a VERY GOOD speaker, you don't stumble, don't stutter you are very convincing, you have a good voice, you go logically from point A to point B. Definitely thumbs up for you doing Tedex :) I am not a native speaker but I improve my English by listening to you, you're very eloquent
You've convinced me. Lol
American sky 📦
Don’t know here you are but in the west coast , especially California where I live, you have to prove intent to convict one of murder. I was a junkie for years and have had friends die from overdose and even in civil court for wrongful death you have to prove it was sold, or given to someone with the knowledge it will kill said person. Even if you shoot someone up it’s reckless homicide if they die unless they intended to kill them whichbis extremely hard to prove. It’s not enough to know it may kill for even a manslaughter charge.
Oregon decriminalized all drugs by law and California and Washington have precedence set via rukeings from the bench.
Hope that makes sense.
Keep digging bro. Kurt was the main catalyst in my life that got me playing music!
Kristen Pfaff did nothing wrong to Kurt Cobain. Vice versa. Justice for Kurt Cobain and Kristen Pfaff. Her wedding dress is all black. Looks beautiful, gorgeous on her. She deserved better in love. Not the sex, drugs, alcohol, rock n roll.
She was talented and beautiful. Sad ending:(
Kristen was far too bright not to consider tolerances.
There is a chance Kristen had the dope stashed at the apartment or came across it at the apartment. I could see her thinking "one last good hit before I leave Seattle". It's happened to alot of addicts in recovery.
This is very true and possible.
dude id love to see you do a ted x talk
Interesting about the missing page's when he died.. hmm....
Also:
DEFINITELY do that ted talk if your feel ok about doing it. You're a great spokesman for the case and I would bet not only would it spread awareness on the case from a genuine and truthful standpoint but you'd also spread awareness of the petition.
I only see positivity coming it.
be interesting who publishes it , see if they have a connection to Courtney
It won't. It needs to be independent of such influence to truly tell Kristen's story. That is a priority.
Can you put a link for the Facebook page?
United States of Nirvana
Have you listened to the IN UTERO R&B SOUL cover album of nirvana???
It has a pink cover.
If you are into MUSIC, you will absolutely love this record
I couldn't find the group The U.S. of Kurt Cobain
@@anonymouse527 look up that album I recommended 👆🏽
If I was in my 20s in the 90s I would propose to her...Kurt was probably like...
Don't how it works over in the U.S with detox especially residential if it's like going total cold turkey with a doctor on site helping with tranquillisers like valium or something similar,but in the U.K most drug dependence agencies will get you on a script as soon as possible as soon as you start withdrawals,either with Methadone or suboxone and this substitute system you'll go on for months or even years if need be until they ween you off gradually and this can take many months maybe a year even just to ween off substitute.ive been on heroin 24 years now on and off with multiple times under a detox treatment team, I still am as we speak.And the point of Methadone treatment is that if your taking Methadone you don't lose your tolerance to heroin and you can still use if you wanted.
The album live threw this is a musical confession in a way to everything that she was about to cause to happen. The song asking for it was obviously written about Kristen.
Interesting perspective...I can see that being accurate.
Kristen was a beautiful woman
I also have a crush on Patty
Sorry for spamming...you bought a GREEN SCREEN!!!
12:35 Intentionally leaving out important details, for any reason, defeats the entire purpose.
Maybe I just missed it, but what’s the name of the book?
Was Jason surprised when you brought that up? Why else would you be interviewing him?
At your minute 7:44 we paused your video and listened to the Pfaff book author's Ted talk - you are mentioning ( is here on RUclips) - first. Comment to his Ted talk: Respect for complete work like this, the talk. About 10 years ago us around here would have felt like 9 points out of ten about it, now in 2022 we just agreed the 2nd half about himself does not make full sense to us. His closing words kind of tell a sense he is making, we agree with that. But the first half about the artist Kristen Pfaff has - to us - nothing to do with his story. That's 2 opposing points we tell here now. The - to us - weird flavour in his talk is: why is he telling this. Unsatisfied with his own life? Or really because he means there is a red-line showing a major mission that everybody is on - knowingly or unknowingly. Fair. Fine. We think he is unsatisfied with his own life. And framing it like this it all looks a bit more nice. That is - we think - why he is telling this. // ( now we carry on watching Spyfox's video) -
or he is not very happy about the limitation by the legal context affecting his to-be-published book. He seems to mention this here in his talk. The legal context that does take effect on his work and the talk - any of his talk about it - forbids him to tell particular parts Kristen Pfaff journaled. ( so he tries to seek some depth otherwise. Which we think is flawed.)
Love Hammerhead. they are friends with Melvins and other Amrep bands like Helmet.
Very good information!🤘🏼🎃🤘🏼
If someone wants to get high, and they're determined to, then they will.
If a dealer sold dope that killed someone, it's still not the dealers fault (unless, see below). I'd be mortified if someone wanted to arrest my dealer if I OD'd! They sold it, I took it. If they hadn't I would've just gone elsewhere! Like any other junkie would do! Nobody's responsibility but your own.
I do think that's crazy that you can be held responsible for somebody's death when they got the gear from you... 🤔
I mean, if you've used the gear too, as well as others, and have been fine
And yet your another acquaintance of yours dies because of their own low tolerance, though MAINLY through their own CHOICE to take it in the first place...? 🤔 That kinda blows my mind. If it can be proved that they unknowingly took a "hot shot" (a deliberately poisoned dose or hit of smack), then THAT'S a different story altogether. That doesn't happen often either, drug dealers generally like their customers to stay alive and continue buying... 🤔 🤦🏻♂️ 🤷🏻♂️ 😁 😉
Because really, unless the stuff IS deliberately poisoned OR unnaturally/uncharacteristically strong, it's generally out of your hands. It's the users choice from beginning to end.
Otherwise, let's arrest all the bartenders who gave drinks to people who died from alcohol poisoning!
It just looks like somebody wants another to blame, somewhat unfairly.
Someone ODs, it's nobody's fault but their own... 🤔
Apparently her husband was not a nice person. I am in a fan group for her on Facebook, there are people who knew her well in that group and two of them said that.