comparing epiphone les Paul standard 1959 vs plustop pro, Burstbucker vs probucker.
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2021
- #playing through a Vox Pathfinder 15R amp.
#tone comparison starts at 6:57
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Just got my 59' Dark Burst yesterday!! It's fantastic in every way. What a value and killer deal. I love mine she's a keeper lol. Thanks, for your video on it, it helped me out in buying one.
Happy to share👍, and thanks for watching.
Good video. I am waiting on my 1959. Should be here this week. I hope.
The differences are very subtle. Great video to help those who are in the market.
I have the '59 dark burst. Got it about 8 months ago & I love it.
I gotta tell ya. It doesn't want me want to switch out pickups. They are so close it's crazy. For a budget guitar you got to admit those pickups sound great
I like the Standard Pro in this one. Great playing. I own a Gibson Les Paul Standard with Jason Lollar imperial humbuckers. Those Epiphones are nice!
I listened through head phones and to me the guitars sounded identical using the neck and middle position. I thought the Burstbuckers sounded shrill in bridge position and the Probuckers sounded warmer. Great video and comparison. Thank you.
Thank you🙏..
Really ? You need to buy some new headphones. Or get a hearing test.
@@biglog6402 Put them in a mix and you would be able to tell the difference. If you want to hear a significant tonal difference replace the bridge. If not add some eq. I've got three Epiphones and each one has slop between the post and the anchor. So far that's been the tone killer.
That shrillness can be easily cured with height and pole piece adjustments . There is also alot of tone variance across the epi 59s some a very bright and some are very dark and fat sounding where others are bright and almost tele like I have an epi 59 and I find it quite warm and fat it was kind of muddy out of the box but after I lowered the bass side of the pickups and lowered the e pole until it was flat and lowered the a pole until it was just above the cover and brought the other poles up slightly i5 compelty cured the mud and now the sound is perfectly balanced in reality real 1959 Gibson pickups were not where near as warm as people have been led to believe. They are actually far brighter than people think and you really had to work the tone knob to get those warm sounds . Burstbuckers 2 and 3 are much the same you need to work the pots and use different anp settings suspect hear the same amp settings are being used for both guitars and probably the same guitar pot settings . I have never understood this type of approach in comparison videos you set the amp for the guitar being played. Not all guitars sound good at the same anp settings many people believe using the same amp settings for different guitars is the most unbiased way to do a comparison which makes no sense because nobody uses guitars in this manner in real life you change your settings when you switch guitars. Just because one guitar sounds better then another on one set of amp settings does not mean its actually the better sounding guitar. If you change the settings then compare again the opposite guitar might sound better.
not relate to the 1959, i have a Pro plus top for 3 years and a 1989 Burny custom recently, to my ears the ProBucker very balance and smooth, more on the bright side, low is not as solid but have more color on it, even with high gain you still hear the note better than the Burny, which is bassier and compress, i have the JB on the bridge of the Burny. Do not have chance to play a Gibson so hard to tell which is closer to the legendary Les Paul tone. But to me the Standard Pro is a very good package.
I have the 59' and also a Custom pro and a standard pro, and the 59' wins hands down. I like the other ones a lot and they sound great, but the burst Bucker's are to me better sounding pick up's than the Pro bucker's. I use it mostly for Jazz along with my Strat and they both do the job VERY well.
I had the Epi LP classic 2020 first and now got the new 59 standard too. Did not like the Epi probuckers so i swapped them for SD alnico II Slash set. Lost the coil and fase push-pulls but i got 2 awesome LP’s now, the classic more suited for modern rock and the 59 standard for classic rock. Great review, thx!
Thank you..
Love the vid home boy, drop those burstbuckers in the Les Paul Pro. Then do a comparison. Or you can change the pickups out to a DiMarizo Titan set? Then listen to that Mahogany body, Maple top, Rosewood fret board!! It's the same guitar, besides the pickups, tuners and the finish.
We have an older SG with probuckers, and it sounds great.
Nobody looks to Epiphone for the brand when buying les paul. they look to epiphone for a much lower price than a Gibson. the 59 copy has actual gibson pick ups and a maple cap. Mallory Capacitors and and CTS pots, Swtich craft jack and switch. epiphone pick ups are darker than Gibson pick ups. just like a gibson. THe Grover tuners are better than Gibson Kluson style tuners.
nice guitars!..I almost thought that was cesar talking for a sec...
Burstbuckers are better sounding(imo). Very dynamic sounding heard them on a friends SG. Really stood out immediately
Well done sir, pro buckers sound really good vs the Gibson pickups.
Probucker sounds great . Definitely worth the price 👌
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I waited a year and got a flawless epi 59 for 514 at guitar center
The best easiest way to describe what i hear is on the probuckers it sounds like you rolled the tone
knob back to 9 or maybe 8. It is super close but the Burstbuckers have more presence and clarity overall.
More Hi -Fi sounding than the probuckers.
Is it worth the $300 to swap to the Burstbuckers if you have the probuckers? nah i dont think so
The probuckers are a bit more edgy in the highs and lack a bit of mid low frequency. Throw a 10 equalizer pedal onto your board and you can get these to the point of zero audible diff. Try it you might be shocked.
You are forgetting about differences in dynamic response.
Very close but the Burstbucker was a lot more clear and fuller sound.
The ProBuckers more brighter / thinner on aspects - I call that more vintage on aspects. Either one is great.
Agreed.
You are 100% spot on in this review. Both fantastic guitars. The upgraded wiring and pickups in the 59 do make a difference in the tone quality. I have a plus top pro and I think I'm gonna upgrade the wiring harness with an Obsidian wire solderless kit just to see what that does to the tone. It comes with a switchcraft output jack too.
@Mark Seymour I didn't
Thanks mas atas demo perbandingannya, sangat membantu sekali. Yg saya ingin tanyakan LP '59 nya itu necknya cembung besar spt Gibson gk mas? Thanks.
Ya betul, neck nya tebal seperti gibson yg 59 mas..
@@edmadja7236 Baik mas, thanks atas infonya 🙏
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The epi 59 is the winner for me . I will say it's quite a bit brighter than mine . Mine is warmer and more mid range heavy . There seems to be alot of tonal variance in the epi 59s . Some are bright and more open whole others are dark mid heavy and more compressed Have not heard a bad sounding one yet though.
In this video I'm using my cellphone camera and mic, so it doesn't represent the real sound of those guitars perfectly.. Both sound thin in this video. But in person, they're actually fat sounding guitars, especially the '59.
I preferred the tone of the Standard more, especially with the clean tone. I actually thought it sounded warmer and more jazzy than the 59. Both excellent guitars though, I would have been hard pressed to guess which was which if I was only listening.
Yes you're right, for the clean tone.. if I was blind folded and those guitars played by someone else , I couldn't tell the difference either.
Get a hearing test. The pro buckers lack bottom end, the note separation when using distortion is muddy and they’re too bright and not balanced well. More jazzy? What have you been smoking?
You obviously need an eye test because I was clearly talking about the clean tone if you bothered to read my comment whereas you're talking about distortion. I also don't see how it can be both muddy and bright at the same time so perhaps it's you who needs to put the pipe down. Judging by the way you speak to others it's very likely. In either case I still prefer the tone of the Standard.
@@petercnixon muddy, no note separation, high frequency notes too bright. What don’t you understand about bass, middle and treble. Low, mid range and treble frequencies? Derrrrr! The lack of note separation more apparent with distortion derrrr!
If your seriously saying that the Standard sounds better than the 59. What did you expect? It’s just silly.
I have an 2022 Epi Les Paul Custom Blackback ivory white with Probuckers and CTS pots… at the other hand I just acquired recently a Gibson SG Standard with 57s classic pickups (which seems to me better, warmer and more dynamic than Burstbucker)… it’s incredible the quality of the newer Probucker stuff… it sounds amazing for what it is.. obviously I notice the difference between guitars, specially in the definition and dynamics but nothing to think that the LP Custom needs to change the pickups…
At first listen, the probucker seems to be a bit louder. Is the higher output pup of the two?
No, I think they have the same output.. They're both have alnico 2 magnet.
The plus top pro does not have a maple cap under the veneer. The newer epi 50s and 60s standards have a maple cap under the veneer like the 59 but the now discontinued plus top pros only have the maple veneer over the mahagony body .
How about the 2020 Epi Les Paul Custom? Maple cap under all that blackness?
specs for standard plus top pro says carved maple top with a flame top veneer over that
I thought the 1959 came with locking Grover tuners even though they have tulip ends on them.
No it doesn't come with locking tuners, but it does what it suppose to.. And it always stay in tune.. Which is good..
It’s supposed to be a replica of a 59, they didn’t have Grover locking tuners, derrrrr 🤡
It would not be a 59 clone with grovers. Real 59s had klusons tuners unless it's a les paul custom.
@@adamwatson6916 yes I know I got it mixed up with the modern
I choose the brown sunburst LP.
What PUs are on it ?
The pickups are probuckers..
59 triple A flame top.
Mas, pernah compare epi 59 sama Gibson les Paul tribute
Ngga pernah mas..
Gibson pickups slightly brighter more hi-fi sounding
Exactly! 👍
I thought the pro buckets sounded a bit muddy compared to the burstbuckers
The 1959 wins hands down on all levels, there is so much better quality with the ‘59
@Mark Seymour I can’t agree man sorry.
Clean they both sound so similar. I think the 59 really takes the cake when some overdrive is added. The epi pickups still retain some of that tin-like sound we have seen in the past in non probucker pickups.
Has the non potting/microphonics been an issue on the 1959 for you?
Not an issue for me, sometimes it's there when I put too much gain on the distortion channel..
Be nice to know the DC resistance of those humbuckers. Are the Gibsons wound hotter?
Aww.. Sorry I don't have the proper tool to measure the DC resistance of those humbuckers..
That's right it's the modern that has to locking Grovers. If you get a chance to get a little meter you won't regret it- you'll use it.
No! They’re just much better pickups.
A guitar doesn't have an "input jack", you doesn't feed any signal in your guitar, you only produce signal with your guitar pickups that come through the OUTPUT jack!!!
Ahh... Thx for the heads up.. 👍
You put a cable IN and the signal comes OUT, so it's both
While cares
Oh geez... 🙄
I agree with your summary. I had an Epiphone Les Paul with the pro pickups in it. Sounded thin, no bottom end and the overall balance was too bright. No definition between notes when distortion applied. They just didn’t sound like a Les Paul should and sounded pathetic against my Gibson SG with real American Gibson humbuckers. I sold it and bought the 59. One can buy a complete set of Epiphone pro buckers including wiring harness and pots from China for £17.50, so I don’t think the quality is there really. The new ones have Switchcraft and CTS pots which is a vast improvement over the older Epiphone I had but the pickups are still lacking.
Yes you right.. Probuckers pickups are brighter than burstbuckers, so..for a les paul type guitar.. I prefer the burstbuckers sound.. Hard to explain but... Burstbuckers sounds sweeter when I play some mellow riffs.
Neck 6:58 burst 7:27 pro
Both 7:54 burst 8:22 pro
Brige 8:48 burst 9:16 pro
Neck 11:47 burst 12:07 pro
Both 12:27 burst 12:46 pro
Brige 13:07 burst 13:26 pro
Would buy the 59 but don't like the finish - looks like plastic.
You can polish it, some people have done it, and the outcome is pretty good..
Mine don't look plastic, I have the Dark burst. It's a satin finish and it gives it more of a subdued look than the gloss but it still shines under light's really nice.
I have always given the newer epiphones a great respect. For the price they are a phenomenal guitar. I own and have owned both epis and gibsons. But hands down gibsons always have a cleaner sound. The real difference you can tell when you play both side by side while not plugged in. The gibsons have a resonance to them that the epiphones just don't have. My honest own opinion from trying many many guitars.
Thank you for the information.
None of these guitars come with burstbuckers... epiphones have probuckers
The Epiphone1959 limited has a Burstbucker 2 in the neck and 3 in the bridge .
His cherry sunburst is a Epiphone 1959 Les Paul.
The 59 Epiphone was made in conjunction with Gibson Custom Shop and received Gibson Burstbuckers 2 and 3's CTS pots and 50"s wiring
Moving too much around on the fretboard when comparing two guitars. It will distract the ear when you finish on a different shape and general area. Just do some short arpeggios, chords and short licks back to back. This is too confusing
The man played with plenty of dynamics, he really showed the guitars range. You should make your own reviews if you feel you could do better
These comparisons are rather pointless as no two guitars sound the same - regardless of pickups - not to mention pickup height, string brand/age, pots, caps. Suffice to say that they are within the margin of error as to be considered equal. Besides that, in a live setting, any subtle nuances are null and void. Factor in the cost difference ( Probucker set with wiring harness can be bought for less than $50) and the winner is clearly the Epiphone.
This test was valid, I have compared them in the same guitar at the same height and still come to the same conclusion. The Burstbuckers have slightly more presence and clarity. I still do not think it is worth the $300
to swap them!
TRIM YOUR DAMN NAILS MAN!!!!!!
Dumbass I don’t do it but a lot of guitarists use they’re nails for fingerpicking. Stfu
Jesse - Do you actually play the guitar?
@@PaulSter yes I do. I also know you don't need inch long nails for finger picking. My nails go just past my fingertips and I can finger pick just fine 🙂
@@jessehiatt9225 it's totally personal choice - and a style) playing style choice. Cats playing flaminco on nylon strings, well they need to!
Being serious, there’s no way cheap pickups that cost pennies to make in China sound as good as American Gibson ones. The bridge on the 59 is cheap pot metal with a spring retainer that needs replacing straight away and the biggest offender is the pot metal zinc tailpiece which is over 4 times nearly 5 times heavier than the proper aluminium one on the originals. Replace these and the 59 will sound fantastic. Why anyone would want a Les Paul that doesn’t actually sound like a Les Paul is beyond me? The coil splitting on the Standard is absolutely useless, it just sounds like a humbucker with half the power not like a Strat or anything. Also makes it more difficult to replace the pickups with much better ones that are two wire. Just saying.
Ahh.. "a humbucker with half the power" Those are the words I was looking for regarding the coil splitting feature.
Big Log, the Burstbuckers on the 1959 sounds meatier and fatter than the 490 R/T on the Gibson Les Paul Tribute. That said, where does one get a replacement bridge that can replace the bridge on the 1959?
You're not referring to the newer "inspired by Gibson" anything when you're talking about your older one. It's not just the CTS pots and Orange Drop caps, nor are they coil-splitting. The newer Epi guitars are CONSIDERABLY better than the old ones. I have a Gibson LP Standard with BBs and a new Epi LP Custom and of course my Standard is sweeter sounding and generally feels like the much finer instrument, as it darn well better for $2500USD. OTOH, my new Custom has absolutely blown my mind with its Probuckers and absolutely 100% delivers genuine LP tone. For playability, sustain, staying in tune, it is very much the real thing.
Pennies on the dollar = can't get good quality? That's what they used to say about MIJ guitars. Cost of labor and goods, CMC manufacturing, etc, narrows the gap.
@@PaulSter nowadays Japanese guitars are some of the finest guitars in the market with south Korea catching up big time. And these newer MiC Epiphones with the new headstock are just fucking awesome.
@@terran236 I own 5 of the MIC Epis, and that has not been my experience. All but one are up for sale except for my Korina V that's going to be great looking wall art.
Seriously, played through practice amps and at bedroom volumes, one would generally be happy with any of them. They are amazing for the money.
MIJ? Absolutely awesome at the higher end, but they put out a ton of junk too. My first electric 40+ years ago bears witness to that.
MIK? Some decent ones in there. Not all good, not all bad.
Me, I've been at this too long, and as I am blessed to be able to afford the good stuff, as well as to appreciate it, that's it. My foray into imports is over.
Too much talk