I Drove 900 Miles In A Hydrogen Car: Hyundai NEXO Review
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- In some alternate reality, it’s not electric cars replacing gas-guzzlers on the nation’s highways, but hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. I recently got a glimpse of that alternate timeline, spending five days behind the wheel of Hyundai’s newest hydrogen car, the NEXO. My co-pilot: Joshua Vergara of JVTechTea. My mission? A 900-mile road trip from San Diego to Sacramento using nothing but hydrogen ... and leaving nothing but water behind. Spoiler alert: we accomplished our mission, but not exactly the way we'd planned. Join Joshua Vergara and MrMobile for the Hyundai NEXO Review!
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MrMobile's Hyundai NEXO Review was produced following five days in a Hyundai NEXO review vehicle provided by Hyundai Motors of America. The car was driven from San Diego to Sacramento with many intervening stops, for a trip length totaling approximately 900 miles. The vehicle was refueled four times during the test drive period.
Hyundai Motors of America covered travel and lodging costs during the NEXO review period, as well as a $300 gift card for hydrogen fuel. The entirety of that gift card was exhausted on hydrogen fuel for the NEXO during the drive period. No compensation or other consideration was requested or provided. Hyundai was not offered copy approval nor an advance screening of this video before publication.
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*MrCar [Michael Fisher]*
Have you ever heard of "hydrogen on demand" on vehicles?
@Autistic Boy never heard about those, I have to do a research
@Autistic Boy I don't think so. In Texas I always heard about cars "running on water" but turns they install a system HHO know as hydrogen on demand ( apparently you are not really storing hydrogen, it burns from the moment it becomes hydrogen) and you can install it in your traditional combustion engine
@Autistic Boy well I don't know, I just heard about those when gas prices skyrocketed and people were looking for alternatives for their cars. My neighbor seemed very happy with that system but I never bother to do a research about it.
Well how about that company Plasco Energy Group, it produces hydrogen just by burning garbage?!!
MrMobile is taking the word "Mobile" to multiple levels now.
Ever since day one. :)
Anything that isn’t bolted to the ground
Yeah from Mobile to Automobile
People talk about hydrogen being flammable as if gasoline isn’t
Lol ever seen a battery go up, at least petrol and hydrogen tanks are built to take the hit, the electric cars have been …… lacking in care, in there building of electric vehicles.
@@SuperJohn12354 You sound like an idiot. The cars tesla make are some of the worlds most safe production vehicles.
@@silentndles7365 Not as far as energy storage is concerned. Yes their frames are outstanding, but if the batteries ignite not even the fire department will attempt to put it out. There is just no way to reliably stop a battery fire.
Hmm? Kyle Davis........? Petrol and Hydrogen? You cannot possibly be serious when doing a comparison? Just explode a small balloon full of Hydrogen, if you are stupid enough, and without any mass above one gramme...then compare that to petrol occupying the same space! Now multiply that by 10,000....Mobile insanity!
@@SuperJohn12354 Well, according to this article money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html EV's are not likely to catch fire. I think it is too early to see how flammable hydrogen cars are compared to other cars, but gas cars are unsafe for sure.
9:34 i thought it was like a joke but it's the actual location of the photo. Holy XP!
@Stoner Cap California never really sees green anyways so that's normal looking there, that's a rare picture in 2001
@@carmageddon1886 grass is also alot easier to sustain then apple trees,
@@carmageddon1886 *1995
Of course, that picture was taken during the relatively brief dry period when the grapes have dropped their leaves. A month later, and for the rest of the year, those hills would be lush with grape leaves and grapes.
proud of hyundai leading the way to the future, although they could've done a better job with the rear design
At least Hyundai makes better designs than Toyota
toyota has been having a hydrogen vehicle since 2015.. just not enough stations and demand yet
Toyota has been doing this even before!
The rear looks awesome imo. Better than the front for me.
Uhh the toyota Mirai was first
I love these reviews! You're technique for telling information is so honest and clean cut, which is a good thing.
I'm not even planning on buying a car but Michael's review style is just so good and, as u said it, honest. Not to mention his great voice also
keep it up Michael!
@@geekovishlord4778 I'm not going to buy yet another vehicle for a little while, because I just purchased a brand new Audi A6 S-Line with the Prestige tier, and then I have my BMW 5-Series. That's enough cars for me!
"You are technique" doesn't make sense.
@@incognitotorpedo42 your*
@@geekovishlord4778 Sorry, it was a typo.
Doug DeMuro wants to know your location
I can already hear the
“THIS...”
Doug already knows his location by scent and is running as fast and awkwardly as he can through the night to reach him
we need to destroy NASA asap
Alright that's pretty cool. I'll be looking forward to the infrastructure improvement and the cost of the hydrogen to come down which might take awhile.
Hydrogen is the cheapest fuel source, made from water and electricity.
@@antonjackson71 You need about 50 kWh of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen by water electrolyzis.
That's the first reason, why hydrogen isn't cheap.
And it's a very unconvenient fuel, depending on the way of distribution, you need liquefication plants, compressors, big and heavy high pressure tanks, very high safety standards, ... - The second reason why it's pretty expensive.
If you run out of Hydrogen, can you use the Huawei Mate 20 Pro's reverse wireless charging to provide emergency power to the battery via the wireless charging pad? 🤣
Hahaaaaaa
Tho that feature is just a gimmick
Never thought I will find MrMobile this deep in the comments 😃
Lol😂😂
@@TheMrMobile Was that the Nelson laugh from the Simpsons?
That Windows XP part was gold. ❤️😭
😂😂
I'm not alone
That looked nothing like the XP picture. Just a random hill, and 2 high dudes.
@@shawntheone8827 it is. it just doesn’t look like it because the Windows picture was taken when the vineyards on the hill were removed. Plus they fucked it up and were in the wrong spot totally
Not a big Hyundai fan but this car is amazing!
IKR, never expected this from them. Good job Hyundai
toyota, honda, and hyundai f.t.w.
@@007thematrix007 honda doesn't make the Clarity anymore sadly
So the major cons here are...
1) Fuel prices
2) H₂ produced from CH₄
3) Not enough fueling stations
When you look at these in an optimistic way, couldn't all of them be solved within a year or 10 in case this idea cathes on?
It could indeed
You could install hydrogen pumps in every existing petrol station on earth very easily. It’s liquid that can be pumped transported and stored just like gasoline is now - this is simply another product in the range and is superior to batteries in every way!
A country like Iceland could use thermal to generate supertankers of the stuff and ship it worldwide - in this economy Iceland becomes the new Saudi Arabia supplying limitless clean fuel
@@MrOharaj Makes me wonder how gasoline is stored at petrol stations... But I guess not exactly under 700 bar pressure? Although it seems like a good idea to me. Probably the idea of it might overhaul some conservatives
@@BoonBreyne afaik petrol stations install huge fuel tanks underground in a lot of cases, but all modern fuel pumps have loads of anti-ignition safety measures, so I cant imagine storing hydrogen would be much more dangerous :)
@Steve AtTheVan Hi. A lot of what you write is right, although the hydrogen stored at 700 bar is gaseous, not liquid. The flame of hydrogen is indeed barely visible, not invisible. Outdoor leaks are less dangerous. h2tools.org/bestpractices/hydrogen-flames
There is nothing in the article you post that states Toyota's engineers claim fuel cells are bad for cars, is it? Cars is not its best application by far, that's true!
Watching his videos make me feel so comfortable! Amazing work! Never missed any of your videos!
The future is in alternative H2 storage methods, like Netak Hydrides, standard pressure, standard temperature, but uses some of the energy to recover the H2 from the Metal Hydride.
Standard comment.
The Nexo is amazing! An incredible car. I wish the future of cars was hydrogen. However, so many big players in the car business are going towards electric cars. What a shame. Range anxiety is a huge issue for strictly electric cars. And there is no way to overcome it, unless they figure out a way to charge up an electric car in 10 minutes, and of course they would have to have electric superchargers all over the place, which they certainly don't have now.
Electric drive and hydrogen is not incompatible - in fact it makes the most sense. Musk will go that way, one assumes??? once the laser activated solid state H disk is allowed to fire up the fuel cells. If not... he's not as bright as suggested... because hydrogen promises to be the most sensible and cost effective option.
For fuel cell vehicle to be successful as EV, there need to have more hydrogen refuelling station nationwide. But the cost of generating hydrogen is not much cheaper than electricity, this the downfall of fuel cell vehicle relying on hydrogen.
@@obsun001 bcs many people really underestimate hydrogen car including goverment bcs they already consumed by ev hype, so they are not have any interest to invest in that
You’re joking right? Hydrogen is extremely hard to make, and the equipment at a filling station is about 4X as expensive as that for gas. There will never be infrastructure like that with gas. Range anxiety very much applies to hydrogen.
This one also looks better than the Toyota, the interior looks more like it’s worth $50k.
Hydrogen just has so much potential. Obviously.
It is extremely dangerous is what it is. Mass production would mean a lot of dumb people would use and sell it.
@LeVelle Coley Yes, I am aware of Hydrogen and some of its drawbacks. Yes, stupid people exist... But come on, in a world where gas may fade away, it is this or electric cars that have terrible re-energizing times.
I heard of capacitor cars, I have also heard of interchangeable batteries for lithium ion storage type of cars..
Except it doesn't, because physics.
@@rixille You can't make Hydrogen at home and put it under pressure and put it in your car. A Hydrogen Gas station cost MILLIONS. While electric car chargers cost less than a normal gas station. :) And a hydrogen gas station needs ALOT maintenance. Lack of maintenance = danger. = Explosions.
Potential as a new market for distribution $$$. Go check a hydrogen station.. they'll be using electricity to run reaction to make hydrogen to fill your car. Your once again notching down the efficiency curve. Power Gen > Transmission Lines > Hydrogen Generation > Car Fuel. While electric is: Power Gen > Transmission Lines > Car Fuel.
Problem: Hydrogen is made from methane (and other fossile resources) - if it's produced with electric energy, it needs 55kWh/kg, which makes around 60 miles range. A Model X drives twice as far with the same amount of electric energy.
Exactly. And that doesn't even include energy used for the compression and the losses in the fuel cell.
I can see this work on some markets, this is why those companies are developing hydrogen cell cars in the first place. Most of the world, however, will go pure electric.
The great thing about hydrogen is that you can burn it in a combustion engine or use it in a fuel cell to power an electric motor.
It doesn't have to be hydrogen cars vs electric cars, it can be hydrogen in electric cars! You can have a combination of batteries and fuel cells!
Burning any fuel for combustion is very inefficient. Even burning hydrogen you lose most of your energy in heat and noise. Fuel cells are way more efficient.
Plus using hydrogen for combustion you are going to need an engine with moving parts. That is what we are trying to get away from. And combustion will always produce NOx. A green house gas.
dope review
i look at this interior and all i can say is "damn, this is a Hyundai"?
If it's like any other Hyundai or Kia, it probably rattles, creaks and feels cheap.
@@bradhaines3142 - yeah... You're not fooling anyone here. Hyundai's aren't bad vehicles and they offer a lot for the money but you're not going to get a car plastered with soft touch materials, hand stitched nappa leather, real wood accents and suede headliner for under $30K.
@@SugarFreeTargets what new car can you get all that in for under 30k?
@@TheLoreNetwork413 - I'm saying you *can't* get all of those features for under $30K. However, the new 2019/2020 Mazda's does come close.
@@SugarFreeTargets I don't know, the new Kia stinger feels pretty luxurious
10:45 re price. I looked into used Mirais. The values just fall off a cliff. One-year-old models are on Autotrader for less than $20k
Nobody can use them.
I think hydrogen would work better as a addon to electric vesicles rather than the main fuel source. imagine being able to charge from home but also be able to fill up in 5 minutes if at a reduced range
yes, you can have the best of both worlds, for example instead a 60 kwh battery pack as a tesla, you can reduce that pack to half (30kwh which is half the price), then you can install just a 30 kw fuel cell (hydrogen cars use 120 kw stacks) which is 3 or 4 times lower cost.
That way, you can fill your hydrogen tank wherever you want to accomplish 800 km range (just depend on your hydrogen tank size).
For cruise speed you just need less than 20 kw, for high peak acceleration you can have the 30 kw of the fuel cell + up to 80 kw from the battery pack (which is not enough to damage it).
But the car maker who make this needs to deal with both technologies at the same time which could increase a bit the cost, I dont know.
Hyundai has EVs you should probably have mentioned as well. They have the Kona EV coming out and also the ionic. Full battery electric.
If they can make the hydrogen creation more green and on a larger scale, I would really want one!!
Neat idea and I like the concept of a hydrogen fuel cell. 0 - 60 in 10 seconds is turtle slow though. Gotta say- the ICE is nowhere near dead just yet, especially when you include the cost of the car and charging equipment. Let's be honest- we'll need enormous advances in tech plus drastic price reductions in non-ICE before they're truly viable.
What I keep thinking of is loss stages.
Electric car: Power source, grid, charger losses, and then you're moving the wheel at some 90+% efficiency.
A hydrogen car goes from a power source, generates hydrogen (lossy step), compression (energy cost), hydrogen is trucked around (energy cost), tank is filled, and then you move your wheels.
So in terms of energy use to get your wheels moving, there's less conversion loss in electric, though you also have to consider the cost of extracting larger battery materials.
Don't forget the process of compressing the hydrogen too, which takes a lot of energy that you don't get it back.
Creating electricity and delivering to EV - then to run it's engine is still less efficient than fossil fuel cars. And they need hours to recharge. And the power grid is needed - not like with fossil fuel cars.
@@wino0000006 That is completely untrue. You can find a ton of articles, but here is one: cleantechnica.com/2018/03/10/electric-car-myth-buster-efficiency/
@DESTROYER67732
Because electric vehicles take electricity from the air... .
@DESTROYER67732 Gasoline is 35/45% thermal efficient, using the same logic EV isnt 90% as the discharging heats the battery up. These lithium cells need to be cooled just like the engine block of an ICE needs to be cooled. In other words, if we take it this far with "universal unit of energy" EV isnt even close to 90% efficient.
Hydrogen and electric are the way to go!
Just Hydrogen... gasoline is better then electric, but Hydrogen is the only thing that competes with gasoline.
@@nothingbutart7473 really?
Benliee J yeah, electric is just old technology, it’s the same stuff as a rc car just scaled up. Hydrogen is a completely different technology and if invested in will most likely out pace gasoline for motor vehicles, not completely because there will be people like me who just love diesel or gasoline, whether it be a muscle car or a truck. I’d just rather see investments be made in new technology, not companies who harness old technology. No offense to Elon but Tesla is shit and it is just clouding the water for new innovation, but I do love SpaceX, he should focus more on that. That will change the future and benefit America, unlike Tesla.
@@nothingbutart7473 Interesting logic you have there. What does the chronological order of when something was invented or discovered have to do with its efficacy? By your logic concentrated solar technology is rubbish because it's basically just Archimedes Solar Death Ray.
Jay electric vehicles aren’t that efficient though, they last 350-400 miles max, then you need to charge them for awhile. My point is, why try to take old technology that isn’t getting really any better and make it the future instead of something that is new, innovative and far more efficient? Hydrogen is efficient and has almost zero emissions. Electric motors have gotten bigger batteries over the years, but they haven’t gotten any better. I just don’t want to waste time on old technology that isn’t showing any promise, we’ve pretty much maximized electric motors. Now it’s time to move on. Train companies didn’t move on to new, better innovation and now most are dead. I don’t want Tesla to die and have a great innovator lose money.
Thanks for a great review of the Nexo! 👍
Fun fact: You guys drove through the City of Dannevang, which is a small bite of Denmark 🇩🇰. The Hyundai Nexo is named aften the small town of Nexø, situated at the Island of Bornholm in.....Denmark 🇩🇰 So now You know 😊
I hear they're coming out with a car that runs on Fairy Dust, another thing you can only get in certain parts of California.
It would be nice to see more hydrogen being used in all vehicles
Unfortunately manufacturers are taking the stupid approach and for some reason trying to compete against tesla. As though electric plug charging cars are the future. Sure those cars work for the privielged white folk that live in the suburbs but come talk to the people living in the projects in downtown cities. Not a real feasibility.
Gotallofthem1 I guess they figured ppl who buy an electric car now will soon replace it with a hydrogen car once it becomes released. Charge time on electric cars is ridiculous.
@@Gotallofthem1 Current hydrogen production is just as "bad" environmentally as gasoline production, it's many times more expensive than gasoline, a single station costs over a million dollars to build which is why we only currently have them in California. Meanwhile, you can charge a BEV anywhere in the US. Electricity is everywhere and most cars spend 10+ hours sitting every night anyways, they may as well be charged during that time. The driver wakes up to a full battery every day, it's more convenient than stopping for gas or hydrogen weekly. I've been driving various types of EVs for the last few years, battery electric is the way to go. Hydrogen will never be mainstream for passenger vehicles. Automakers started developing them decades ago and they've gotten nowhere. They're a way for automakers to produce vehicles that look environmentally friendly while still needing specialized fueling (which the oil industry would be glad to take over) along with more regular maintenance than battery electrics.
@@Gotallofthem1 People living in the projects can't afford to spend 3x the price to fuel a hydrogen car. However, they are more likely to be able to afford a used $10k BEV which uses a fuel that costs less than half what gasoline costs in most parts of the US and that requires a small fraction of maintenance. Multi family dwelling need to provide charging for tenants, with the electricity cost billed to the person using it. That would solve the current issue with plug in electric vehicles, and it would be much cheaper to implement than hundreds of thousands of hydrogen stations.
Hydrogen might work for privileged white folks, but people in the projects can't afford $107 to fill the tank to go a measly 350 miles for a $62,000 car.
birds eye camera?! WITCH! GET YOUR PITCHFORKS!
How does the birds eye camera work? Is it sattlelite or drone camera? What is this magic? Lol seriously how does this this work?
A lot of fisheye cameras around the car
@@thijsheijkoop thank you for the answer, is this different from how Toyota's birds eye work then? based on their video, they seem to have cameras pointed towards the ground and I think based on those images the computer stitches up a picture of a birds eye view with an animated version of the vehicle, I says this because I dont see how else the camera could do this if its not pointed from above the vehicle.
Lol sticking close to the coast *and* going to Solvang? Bold move. You should have taken the 154 up to Solvang cause the way you went had some amount of backtracking on your journey to Sac.
Source: From Sac, live in Santa Barbara
Fuel cell vehicles will become easier to fill up once semi-trailers convert to this power train over the coming decade and expand the refueling network. Fuel costs will drop dramatically as the production and transport system become more efficient. And fuel cells should get pretty cheap as the need for platinum is reduced. It will also be possible to capture the carbon from methane at the refinery, further reducing emissions.
False. First we had CNG. Maintenance costs were way to high to be managed. Next electric. Same problem. Semi will run on diesel for the foreseeable future until someone can come up with a longer lifespan replacement. Nobody can afford to have a $250k disposable semi that is only good for 6 months tops. Most semi run over 100k miles a year. No technology comes close to diesel where semi can rum 3 million miles on 3 rebuilds.
Best thing of hydrogen is it is recyclable like you make water then you split it again to hydrogen and oxygen lol
Yeah, you could literally convert your "emitions" into fuel again - when goung downhill or braking of course...
what if the H20 that it gives off goes to cooling and filtering and then again used to make H2 and O2 from regen braking..!
It would be quite amazing though!
anyways great video
@Steve AtTheVan more energy means more powerful generators that means more powerful braking using gear ratios
This way we don't even need brakes (only in emergency)
@Steve AtTheVan I'm not a big fan of Ev's but the EV1 just blew off my mind
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Yes Hydrogen can be made from Methane, and yes it does also produce Carbon Dioxide, but the production plants that I have been involved with capture the Carbon Dioxide, and sell it to the drinks industry. The Carbon Dioxide is a co-product, not a waste, but yes it will eventually be released to the atmosphere as bubbles from our beer and other fizzy drinks.
Bottoms up on your next coca cola
7:08 yes you can! - not many people know if you hold the left shifter for 3 seconds you get 1 pedal driving with enough force to stop the car. It's awesome and been around since 2017
9:35 is where I cried
9:35
Man that sound is soooooooo satisfying....
i want one. I think Fuel cell cars will be the winner. Less efficicient maybe now but not for long. A Nexo in the EU is much more expensive. Like 83K Euros to 90K euros. Crazy prices
Fuel cell cars will always remain less efficient.
Hydrogen is not a fuel - it an energy intermediary.
You can choose to get hydrogen from a myriad of sources.
check the definition of fuel before trying to educate others :)
What you wanted to said i guess, is that hydrogen is not a natural resource on earth.
But hydrogen is the only way to store solar or wind power over days of high wind, cloudy weeks or season disparities (the rule is that usually beyond 4 hours starts to be way more cost efficient than batteries), and you need energy in chemical form one way or another if you want to solve all the co2 that is emitted by the natural gas grid or the utility transport sector which can not work using batteries (trucks, airplanes, ships, trains, buses, etc).
Many countries are already going into a hydrogen economy. This solve the intermittence issue of solar and wind at the same time, so it is a win-win.
8:55
Can someone tell me how that bird's eye view camera works?
Is it simulated? Does it pop out a tiny Spidey drone?
😂😂😂 no dude no drones involved. There’s multiple cameras placed around the car. Like the door handle of the trunk, under the side mirrors of the car and another one some where in front of the car. All of them take an wide angle image and show it on the screen. It technically doesn’t show you a birds eye view. More like the surrounding of the car from about the height of the door handles.
@@anthonydirenfernando8448 Ahhh. I take it that the 'height' is just an illusion caused by the wide angle lens? Nice. Thanks for the info!
paramortalics
Yes just an illusion by other cam the computer can creat this image ...
The fact that you thought it’s a drone
=
It’s a great tech and do the job very well
Anthony fernando I always thought the same, but was confused the height was so amazing that i thought it used satellite access
It's rendering image from CIA satellite which spying on you, plain and simple..
Nice video. what was the price per gallon for the hydrogen?
Thanks for your honest review. I see you're using the BB Key2, cool. I'll wait for the hydrogen car.
Seems like alot of people didn't watch the video because they keep talking about explosions and your video covered that point with the burn tests crash tests and rifle puncturing not doing anything.
My degree is in Chemistry .. current Li-ion batteries is not sustainable, there's also too much pollution caused in their production and especially ground water contamination. The near future is a combination of thorium reactors (~$0.015/kWh or less) and when Electrolysis is used it's water into hydrogen and oxygen. My feeling is once electricity is extremely inexpensive you'll see hydrogen ICE vehicles instead of fuel cells which are less sustainable.
Your EV's primary cost is it's "fuel tank" and when that represents 50% of the vehicle's cost it detracts from the vehicle's cabin, finish and utility.
The reason we are just now moving towards thorium is simple .. country's, especially the USA and Russia wanted Nukes. Uranium reactors can hide and aide to fissionable materials. Whereas thorium has a very limited use and is not fissionable for weapons. It's unfair to share the same stigma with thorium as with uranium reactors.
The future is our resources, renewability, pollution control, environmental balance and sustainability.
One thing you fail to mention is that batteries are recyclable. If you're referring to the Swedish study that compared an EV battery production to the same pollution levels of a car driving for 8 years you must look at the bogus assumptions they made. Electric cars also will last much longer than gas cars and can be powered entirely with renewable energy. Once the majority of the world is driving electric the pollution will drop substantially. Also if you think anyone is gonna be driving around a thorium reactor you probably need your head checked.
@@zxjoshxz .. No that's a fallacy, the anode cost more to recycle than to produce from raw materials. Same with the low percentage of lithium, especially when it's contaminated. About the only break even is the casing material and Nickel. When the cost of recycled materials exceeds the cost of new materials it's financial obsolescence.
In contrast, an ICE Hydrogen engine is composed of aluminum, iron and renewable bioplastics can be used for any plastics. All of which is easily recyclable and fully sustainable components.
Here's a direct quote:
_"Li-ion
The true cost to manufacture Li-ion is not so much in the raw materials, as is the case with lead acid and NiMH, but in lengthy processing and purification processes of the raw materials to reach battery grade. Retrieving lithium at only 3 percent of the cell mix may never reach break-even levels. If the purity of lithium is below 99.5 percent, then it is not suitable as raw material for batteries. Recycling brings the metal to ground zero, from which costly preparations begin anew. It is often cheaper to mine raw material than to retrieve it from recycling."_
@@zxjoshxz Also, who talked about driving on a thorium reactor? You use the reactor to make the H2 and then you put that into your tank. Electricity can (obviously) be moved on a grid and the H2 could easily be produced much more locally than any product of petrochemistry, possibly even on-site. This discounts most of one of the biggest pros of the current EVs, where you don't need a traditional supply chain for the fuel. Also, while electric vehicles can have a longer total product life time, than combustion engine driven cars, the battery packs themselves tend to have more limited lifespans. And when that part is both the most expensive and the least sustainable part of the whole system, you can see the problem.
I'm not calling EVs worthless or anything, though, don't get me wrong. They just seem to have a much lower technological roof of advancement than H2 solutions, on the current horizon. A lot of the problems for both of them come from conglomerates like Royal Dutch Shell gatekeeping patents and pushing back on the general spread of the technology.
qwormuli I think solid state batteries will most likely fix the problems of EV cars or even phones making them last longer.
People dump and change their oil in the woods...you cannot give anyone that stuff.
i would actually prefer this over a pure electric car that only runs in a battery. the implementation especially the refuelling is much more convenient
More convenient, when one would have to go out of their way to find a refueling station instead of conveniently plugging in at home to recharge? Really?
Oh, but I suppose that on a long road trip stopping for an hour long charge every 240 miles or so would be such a hassle as one would never need to take a break, use restrooms or take time for lunch. Really?
But perhaps paying considerably more for fuel might be worth it to save a bit of time at the pump? Um, no.
@@chrismuir8403 we're not talking about it in its current state but rather when Hydrogen stations become mainstream. It would essentially feel like driving a gasoline car with the refuelling etc. Charging at home would only really be that convenient with wireless charging on your driveway etc. How many things am I supposed to plug in to charge every night in the 21st century? Besides, some people do insane amounts of miles for work. The lack of ultra fast charging kinda ruins electric vehicles for work... and let's not mention the ridiculous weight of electric cars... Don't get me wrong I like electric cars but hydrogen seems like the closest clean alternative to gasoline. And it doesn't put a huge amount of extra strain on the national power grid like electric. If we could master getting hydrogen from electrolysis it would be a much cleaner solution.
@@chrismuir8403 at it's current state no. if the infrastructure of hydrogen fuelling stations gets mainatream and if all gas stations have a pump for hydrogen I would prefer that when refuelling. i would prefer to wait 5 mins to top off the tank vs 45 min to recharge 75% of battery. hope this clears uo my original comment. Merry Christmas
maybe the smart thing to do is make a fuel cell hybrid with a big battery and the fuel cell as range extender. Then the cost of 25$/kg at the pump is less intimidating?
@@VoodooMadMike41 Infrastructure for EV charging will improve as well. Neither technology will stand still.
"If we could master getting hydrogen from electrolysis it would be a much cleaner solution." - If we have enough excess clean electricity lying around to do that, then we have probably have solved most of our grid problems at least. I hope that comes to pass.
Who else remembers the windows xp
wow this review was really comprehensive and professional. very refreshing and unbiased. really good job!
The weight of batteries is getting reduced in 2019-2020 by about 20%, while price will fall by about 10%, which means we'll have the cheap version Tesla Model 3 with a ~300kg pack (instead of the current 470kg long range pack) ... and one 270hp electric motor weighs under 80kg ... which is coming very close to ICE system + full gas tank weights...
I just can't see hydrogen being as successful as pure EV. Production of hydrogen, transportation, infrastructure storage, safety, idiot proof systems are just too daunting.
Hydrogen is very expensive to produce consumes a lot of electricity. With batteries catching up to faster & faster charging, range to almost 700kms (450mi) in next year or so, I honestly believe pure EV is the way to go.
Hydrogen can be produce on site.
Batteries will come back to bite us in the ass one day. They're not exactly eco-friendly to produce or dispose of. Given enough carbon neutral energy, Hydrogen is probably to better way to store it. Of course, it's all completely irrelevant if the energy we use to make hydrogen or charge our batteries comes from say coal plants.
@@Artificial-Insanity: I partially agree with you. However, batteries, given proper disposal and recycling ♻ techniques can be eco friendly disposed. With hydrogen, you've to consider not only developed countries but developing countries too. Not everyone can afford additional cost of supporting infrastructure for hydrogen fuel. Which is 10 times more expensive than putting up EV charging stations.
Batteries and charging facilities can be used at the word go, all around the world. Moreover, it's easy to install charging systems/stations with the existing grid networks. Regarding, electricity production through coal, it will change over at its own pace to more eco friendly systems. Thus, no immediate capital expenses.. Thus EV systems will be more easily accessible to all countries globally.
Dont you have a future?? We are developing hydrogen, china is already on it so get ready we are soon in here
California is a bloody desert! You could easily use solar power to produce hydrogen... and then use xactly that hydrogen to distribute the hydrogen! This is why EV will not be the future, as lithium batterys are worse for the environment than a some hydrogen tanks.
They forgot to mention that storing hydrogen at a hydrogen station is highly inefficient and a nightmare
Simba Mangz driving around with a 1000 kg battery pack is?!?
Hydrogen lasts longer the gasoline bud
Like gas is so much better...
@@hemprope4326 Yes gas is so much better because they are everywhere
2:50, Battery powered electric cars aren't zero emission either. Because the electricity they use is made with fossil fuels (Mostly).
Considering this at least two years ago, what is current hydrogen refill availability. Better access to fuel stations changes every thing for acceptances.
Do not use tank after 02 / 2027 how much is a new hydrogen tank
less than a new battery after 3 years lmao
Fun fact, the Hindenburg didn't burn because of the hydrogen, it burned because of the lining inside of the airship was made from essentially oil soaked cotton. Hydrogen doesn't burn quite as easily as you might think; if ruptured it would most likely just explode from the extreme pressure, not from the hydrogen.
And hydrogen gas goes straight up into the atmosphere. Safer than gasoline going all over the place
@@tikigodsrule2317 You know that take time for gasoline to disolve in air to the point of explosive levels.... So basicli any flames after colision will negate any chance for explosion and simply slowli burn fuel out
This iznt hydrogen problem hydrogen may disipate fast but any flame close of accidebt will inevidebly lead to masive explosion.
Fire car is bad but mostli you have time to get injured people out. BTW real life IZNT HOLLIWOOD MOVIE in 99.9% of cases there is no EXPLOSION OF CAR IT SIMPLY SLOWLY BURN OUT.
There must be special circumstances to allow car explosion to happen. And thats fuking rare.
This iznt case of hydrogen it will kill anybody close even if the smallest of fires electric spark is near.
Am I missing something ...if I heard it clear , so Hydrogen too isnt doing anything good as we are producing from Methone and releasing co2 right ?
In the United States.
Hydrogen still has a long way to go but i hope it becomes a reality because the technology is really cool and very environmentally friendly
A couple of notes.
1. Most of the electricity isn't green either. We burn coal or have nuclear power plants.
2. This planet simply doesn't have enough Lithium. And the countries that have it will soon realize they charge as much for it as they want.
This means electric cars can only be the future if we recycle literally 100% of the batteries. All of them. And even then it's questionable whether we have enough or not.
No, nothing is green, but there are far more efficient ways in using energy over fuel cell technology as it stands today. First, the electrical grid is cleaner over the gasoline engine as you stated coal and nuclear. Wind, solar, hydroelectric, natural gas are becoming more common every day, lowering the carbon emissions per miles driven by a battery electric vehicle over a comparable gas vehicle (runs on 100 % gas).
The current form of extracting hydrogen is not viable long term. That leaves electrolysis, using the same electrical grid that can charge a battery electric vehicle directly. So before the hydrogen splitting even begins the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle and battery electric vehicle are on equal playing fields. The energy losses in splitting hydrogen ends up higher over the losses in charging a battery (roughly 10% or so). Additional losses are taken into account with the energy used to compress hydrogen to 10,000 psi, plus the additional losses during the fuel cell process in powering the vehicle. Compare that to a battery electric vehicle, about 90% efficient once the battery is charged, and the efficiency difference becomes significant. At worst case the battery electric vehicle comes out at 80% efficient while the FCV (Fuel Cell Vehicle) come in around 50% efficient. Still ahead of the gas internal combustion engine at 20% efficient, but no miracle technology by any definition.
There are strides being made in separating hydrogen more efficiently, once that happens the cost of hydrogen will drop. Honestly, once the hydrogen production efficiency is figured out a good compromise would be a plug in fuel cell vehicle. Plug in at home with 50+ miles of range (smaller battery) and the fuel cell technology kicks in for range extension. Waking up with a full battery every morning is a whole new level of convenience, a regular weekly detour to the hydrogen station is not progress in my opinion...but the possibility of a 5 min refill on a road trip is not to be ignored.
As for the lithium myth....the sea water in our oceans have enough Lithium to last us lifetimes. We just need a reason to extract it, and right now we have plenty on land using brine extraction. You may be confusing Lithium with Cobalt, and we are experiencing a Cobalt shortage forcing the battery heavyweights to find a Cobalt supplement. The Cobalt ratio had been greatly reduced per cell on Tesla's front.
The oceans are full of lithium. You can use solar energy to charge electric cars.
Solar panel are the way to go if you want to go green. Uh IDK it seems to be green but imagine batteries don't need to recharge. Wouldn't that be cool?
@@TIMETECH07 You are missing the point. Twice.
1. Solar panels are green. Yet 95% of the electricity you put into an electric car does not come from solar panels.
2. You absolutely have to charge the batteries because you cannot fit a large enough solar panel on the roof of your car to charge it on the move. Or when standing still... Unless you want to charge 5 miles a day. In California. You can only do that by putting solar panels on the roof of your house. And that means you have to plug in.
@@ast5515 oh gosh if technology advances to the level where batteries do not need to charge, I will be impressed man, no more chargers!
Hyundai Nexo.
My car *is* a reactor.
my car is a fucking hydrogen bomb!
Great review! Very informative. Why would anyone want to pay the Tesla price for a much slower car, with insane $80+ fill up price? U can get a much faster gasoline car with the same price,longer range and cheaper fill up. Nothing makes sense about this car, what’s going on?? Did I miss something?
Why was the price of fuel so high - $80+ ? That’s nuts.
here i am complaining about gas costing me $40 for ~600 miles and this is ~$80 for 300
sp0rka i go $50 for 450 km so like 330 miles maybe something like that
@@ConnorGrosseFilms yeah i got one of those super efficient cars and live in an area where gas is cheap
I loved this video. Makes me want a fuel cell car.
Great review...virtual high five to Hyundai for creating a great all around alternative energy sourced vehicle.
Toyota was first with their Toyota Mirai
Hydrogen could have a go in a Hybrid (with a bigger battery that you can charge almost everywhere), besides that is too soon for individual vehicles, but could be the near future for trucks, planes and buses.
H2 supply chain will be oil companies, not extraction from water.
Go electric, you generate your fuel!!
Never knew you have an electricity generation company in your house?
Oil companies have become electricity generators and distributors. Look at shell.
Hi Mr Mobile
I feel like Hydrogen is a fools errand at this point. The pricing is also absurd.
its only been in the last 1 year and 1/2 that they solved hydrogen storage , prior to that there was not way to store it for long periods of time, now that they can expect countries like Australia to become huge exporters of hydrogen, thus driving down the cost, as well Shell is investing heavily into the sector , if they rolled out a hydrogen pump at every station, the market would change very quickly.
At one point in time Petrol was extremely expensive, batteries were extremely expensive, they have to scale the industry.
Cause all-electric vehicles are that much better right? Oh and the reason Hydrogen Fuel is so expensive is because of the low amount of stations and cars that they can fill. As with anything the more there are, the lower the pricing.
@@Gotallofthem1 BEVs are much much better. Significantly cheaper to purchase and to fuel, and they can be fueled anywhere in the world with electricity. Sure, hydrogen is all around us, but it's pretty tough to find a pressurized hydrogen fueling station. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles fuel only a few minutes quicker than a BEV at a DCFC station, but they cost so much more and they're impossible to fuel at home like one can do with a BEV.
@@MylesV "anywhere in the world with electricity" is where the major problem lies. I dont live in a 1st world country. My country's electricity supply has been under massive strain since 2008. Batteries still needs a lot of development just like hydrogen to be viable worldwide option
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Reforming methane sounds like a better solution considering the greenhouse effect is propagated by methane. Dealing with C02 isnt too hard if we invest in it properly.
All fine and dandy until you leave the state of California in which case you would be SOL. Here's some major points and the reality:
- Hydrogen is very expensive to make and distribute and especially so since there is no nationwide infrastructure in place precisely because distribution is so costly
- Hydrogen storage is inefficient, energetically, volumetrically and with respect to weight
- Fuel cells wear out very fast and expensive to replace
- great for very specialized applications such as powering space craft (used as primary power source since the Apollo moon missions in the 60s) and for limited application in commercial trucking sector (eg. Nikola)
The future is BEV (battery electric vehicles) not HFCV (Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles). It's why you're seeing all of the major car manufacturers collectively investing many billions of dollars in BEV automobiles and technology not HFCV technology. For the skeptics I'll give you the example of the Volkswagen Automotive Group (VW) which just happens to be the number 1 largest manufacturer of passenger vehicles in the world (Toyota is second). VW announced in November of 2018 their plan to spend between now and 2023, $50 billion (yes that's billions with a 'B') on a BEV electrification plan which will include 27 electric vehicle models by 2022 and are already well on their way of doing that. When you have the largest manufacturer in the world committing that enormous amount of resources toward BEV production other manufacturers sit up take notice and follow suit which is precisely what's happening and in a very big way. (The Dieselgate scandal no doubt was a big reality smack on the head for VW and in hind sight probably one of the best things that could have happened to them causing them to come to their senses and set them on their logical and inevitably smart course of action for the future.)
So even though this video may give one a nice warm fuzzy feeling HFCVs are a passing fad and will undoubtedly die out as far as passenger vehicles are concerned. BEVs are unequivocally the future and that's not conjecture but a reality based hard fact.
Saw a comparison before where hydrogen is way more expensive than pure battery/electric
I love this hydrogen idea, you can even put this into the engine and still have SOUND, MANUAL 😍😍😍
What a wonderful car maker Hyundai / Kia has become
A car is only EMISSIONS FREE when the production is not mentioned. When will the world understand?
Sorry, but i don't understand that comment. please explain.
You can produce electricity at home with photovoltaic panels.
You can also produce hydrogen at home with electricity produced with photovoltaic panels... _but please build your house in the middle of the desert._
Ola K finally someone who understands the principal about every action having a reaction. I guess people think electric cars just pop out of the earth like flowers in their form in which we see them. a lot of mining and use of vehicles that are not green in power source are required to produce any vehicle. any electricity that has to be produced to charge an electric car just doesn't come from the air. solar panels would not be able to produce the current to charge up an electric car, and making your own hydrogen at home is possible but you would not be able to safely store it and consistently make enough of it to keep your vehicle running. another thing about producing hydrogen on your own it requires you to use electricity or natural gas is a heat source. people just don't seem to understand that, all these fools that I know that support electric vehicles and going green need to realize how the materials came to become what they have and what the cost is to keep them running. dare I say before we had cars and electricity we were more green then we ever have been.
Hydrogen is has 3 times the emissions of a gasoline from production to your tank.
What kind of emissions?
Regarding CO2-emissions, a fuel cell car with hydrogen from steam reformation of natural gas is pretty much at the same level as gasoline cars.
Also comparable to a battery electric car using electricity from coal power plants.
Of course, if you use "green" electricity for hydrogen production, the fuel cell car is much better than the gasoline car.
And much better regarding direct local emissions anyway, even with hydrogen from coal steam reformation.
For all you thinking that hun-day is NOT how its pronounced, got news for you.
Hoond-eye, right?
I wish hydrogen fuel cell cars were more readily available throughout the UK. Their are only about 3 hydrogen models available here and most hydrogen fuel filling stations are in the south east of England.
I would like to see some of these car manufacturers offer a service to convert a petrol or diesel engined car to a hydrogen fuel celled car. That might be more cost effective compared to manufacturing an entire new car. This would help drive the demand for hydrogen which would then eventually drive demand for brand new cars to be hydrogen fuel celled cars.
Hydrogen fuel would have to be made more readily available throughout the UK as the demand increases.
I for one would love to own a hydrogen fuel celled car and I would be happy to recommend anybody to have one.
If there was more places to refuel (which means cheaper hydrogen), and the car was much cheaper, I would definitely buy one. It would be the most durable vehicle I ever bought since there is no battery degradation to worry about like in an EV (yes, the 1.5 kWh battery in this Hyundai Nexo would eventually need to be replaced, but it would be much cheaper than replacing a 30kWh or 100kWh battery). The car would literally last decades with little to no maintenance.
Way too many downsides to H cars compared to fully electric. Too expensive to buy, maintain, and fuel (which, as the video explains, isn't as clean as you'd hope). Fully electric saves you money, eventually, by being cheap to "fuel" and (often and definitely in theory, but not always) cheaper to maintain compared to petrol vehicles.
Almost nobody will save money with an EV. I calculated with a Prius vs a Tesla, you'll need to get over 400k miles on the Tesla to break even. For an F150 its like 200k miles.
Unless batteries get a lot better I'm for fuel cells.
Low IQ.
*"DO NOT USE AFTER 02/2027"*
Why?
@@Unknown-nh8fj Probably pressure cycling stresses and elemental hydrogen affecting the metal liner. All re-susable pressure vessels have expiry dates where they either have to be retired or re-tested. Hydrogen embrittles metal over time.
N W cleantechnica.com/2020/07/07/in-a-world-first-hyundai-fuel-cell-semis-ship-to-customers/
@Izúre Lem Oh, for sure. I'm not disputing that at all. I was just explaining why they have an expiry date on them. It's standard practice for all pressure vessels. Whether it's your BBQ propane bottle or your hydrogen storage cylinder, letting it corrode or explode is avoidable if they are checked and retired after reasonable timeframes. I have some experience CNC filament winding lightweight CF high pressure vessels like the hydrogen cylinders in this vehicle.
That camera quality is amazing
How about a follow up with the new Toyota Mirai? It would be interesting also in order to check the status on the number of hydrogen refueling stations.
I keep hoping H cars come of age... Screw the the electric...😉
I understand the confusion but fuel cell cars are electric
@@ajzero14 -- I know they are, but it's a smaller battery and one can fill a tank with H in a few minutes so you don't have to wait for extended periods recharging a huge battery. That's my only point. But I appreciate your input. Cheers!
@@DustyCowdog For people charging overnight the refuelling times aren't much of an issue as ranges these days are good enough for the vast majority of people. There's definitely use cases where hydrogen would be a better fit currently than pure electric if the infrastructure was there.
@@thewisefool4049 -- yes, I think you are right... I kind of hope to buy one in a couple of years. Cheers!
@Theophilus Frimpong you killed him XD
The cost and the way it is produced might as well stick with gas
Hydrogen word sounds scary. Cannot forget Hindenburg. Even you didn't miss it in your video and covered a small clip.
I remember back in the 90s, a guy called "Stanley Meyer": Meyer’s invention promised a revolution in the automotive industry. It worked through an electric water fuel cell, which divided any kind of water - including salt water - into its fundamental elements of hydrogen and oxygen, by utilizing a process far simpler than the electrolysis method. He was in the process of marketing a kit that car users could install in there motor cars, so the vehicles could run on water.
On March 21, 1998, Meyer was having lunch at a Cracker Barrel with his brother and two potential Belgian investors. The four clinked their glasses to toast their commitment to uplifting the world, but after taking a sip of his cranberry juice, Meyer clutched his throat, sprang to his feet, and ran outside. Rushing after him, his brother Stephen found him down on his knees, vomiting violently. He quickly muttered his last words, “They poisoned me.”. Meyer’s invention posed an incalculable threat to billions of oil industry dollars and untold fortunes.
I guess that is how the world works. If tomorrow a new way making solar panel is found which doesn't use conventional techniques and silicon, the billion dollar solar panel industry will be under threat. Similar is the case with lithium-ion battery technology.
"...96% of the hydrogen fuel is made by reforming methane"
But isnt methane a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2 and reforming methane into fuel and CO2 would so be better for the environment ?
That is indeed true, use methane from farms and oil wells. Though you still need energy to transform the CH4 to H2
@@matthewmaxwell-burton4549 but you would also need the energy if you would do this with water.
But still at least I dont know enough about how much energy difference there would be, where the methane comes from that they use and how they reform it, to say this is "green" or not.
@@MinishMan but CO2 can be used by plants for photosynthesis
@@mr3sepz Yeah using Solar Panels which doesn't make sense coz Full EV can literally charge using Solar Panels.
if youre worried about the environment get get diesel. its worst to breath but better for the environment
At 4:25 in the video that’s not Santa Barbara, it is Thousand Oaks
Damn I remember your Lumia 950 video from years ago nice video bro
hydrogen should only be used in large ocean ships and huge construction machines
ADreviews76 not even then. Have you seen the dangers of hydrogen? And the price?
@Mr Sigma Exactly. As long as the salty Pious owners have a badge on their car that says "zero emissions" they don't care where the real emissions and pollution occur.
Don’t forget to compare fuel cost hydrogen to electricity. Don’t forget to compare service costs. These two factors will show the great difference in the advantage of buying a BEV together with the fact that if you have a roof you have the option of making your own electricity.
This is more sustainable that just battery operated cars. Refueling in 5 min is a game changer. Green power generation combined with Hydrogen cars can be the future....hopefully.
The worst crashes will result in small mushroom clouds.
fake humor
@@ITILII to low-IQ smegmas.
An allusion to "Terminator II"?
When he throws away his fuel cell?
@@701983 No. Just a factoid.
2:12 that pump used 9660kWh of electricity a month just to get oil out the ground - Know that amount of power could power my EV for 39,986 miles. Also companies like VW actually pay to offset the C02 in production - so their cars are neutral and if you charge it exclusively from Solar - the car is so green it would blend in with it's own paint job if it were also Green