If they do this, the price of water will go to five bucks a gallon LOL. Problem so far has not been that it isn’t possible; It’s that you use far more energy to split water than you get back. Maybe Toyota’s found a breakthrough method of electrolysis but I doubt it.
@@Eh2Solar That's how I planned to build a solar steam engine capturing the output, but for this kind of engine the devil is in the details. Make one and sell it, you can be the next billionaire :)
Given that splitting water into hydrogen & oxygen takes more energy than can be recovered from the hydrogen released (2nd LoT), I suspect that this was mistaken for the new _ammonia_ engine Toyota is developing, which will run on the hydrogen released from splitting ammonia, which takes less energy than can be recovered from the hydrogen released. It's much cheaper and easier to transport than hydrogen, using similar infrastructure to other liquid fuels. It's unpleasantly toxic, so a bit more care is needed.
No one is going to buy a car that runs on ammonia. Ammonia is a very dangerous chemical, which is a gas when released. I don't think it was ever used as a chemical agent in war, but it would serve that purpose very well. You don't even need to breathe it, it will attach your skin and eyes. Very nasty. Even gasoline is much, much safer.
Yeah, this has thermodynamic violation written all over it. I like all the conspiracy theorizing at the end of the video. No mention was made of the source of electricity to split the water, or the size, mass, and cost of the electrolyzer. Honestly, this is the dumbest thing I've seen in a while.
I guess this is just an AI creating these videos (very impressive visually) but the content is really missing fundamentals that any technical person would spot.
If you are aware of that, you probably have taken some Engineering, and have heard of Sadi Carnot and the laws of Thermo. If so you have already figured out that this is another scam, moving emissions from the car to the generating plant, losing energy at every step of the way. Unless the intent is to build Nuc plants to provide the energy, this does nothing. and if it is stalled awaiting a buildout of the H2 handling equipment all over the US/world, it is DOA. A first year engineering student could figure this out. Pro tip: invest when the subsidies start coming in. Take your money out when the subsidies stop. If Trump gets in don't even think of it.
Just thought. The energy needed to generate hydrogen is nothing compared to the amount of energy to truck, ship, and process the fuel or recharge batteries it takes. I don't see Toyota doing this because of safety liability and can destroy industry sectors (oil, shipping) and governments (Saudi Arabia, Venezuela....)
At some time, we will have to switch over. And as for efficiency, gasoline energy extracted from the heat conversion into motion is just as inefficient. It's the source of fuel everyone is missing. The efficiency will always be less than 100%.
You mean how hydrogen is obtained from water? You didn't miss anything, it wasn't stated. From what I gathered it happens somewhere between the water tank and the engine. It would need to have battery power since electrolysis is a process in which DC is used to separate the elements (H and O2) from the water molecule. Then the hydrogen is sent into the combustion chamber where it is ignited to produce power.
They briefly mentioned hydrolysis to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen in water, but they completely ignored the fact that the electrical energy needed to do that is far more than burning the resulting hydrogen will yield. Hydrogen engines and hydrolysis of water to obtain hydrogen are both real, but being able to use hydrolysis in a vehicle is a pipe dream. It would take a 100hp fossil fuel generator to make the electricity needed to hydrolyze enough hydrogen to power a 25-30hp water engine.
So the actual power source is the electricity in the battery that is used to electrolyse water. As entropy demands its share every time energy is converted, how efficient is this? 5-10%?
Using the HHO model, then the battery is recharged from an alternator, the same as we currently have. Nothing harder here. Good repurpose of the internal combustion engine infrastructure.
There was no mystery about his death. He had abdominal pains after eating a meal with 'business interests' and said, as he was dying, "They poisoned me!".
As an aside, Dr. Steven Greer MD acquired the equipment from the Meyer estate and said that Stanley had very cleverly left out some of the components, even from the plans, that made his device work hyper efficiently. He died with his secret apparently. This is what happens when you think you can commercialise it. It is revolutionary and iconoclastic, don't expect to get out alive, let alone commercialise it.
And just where exactly can I obtain this diluted water, or can I buy standard full water and dilute it ? What sort of ratio of water to water is recommended ?
Haha, I caught that too. I think he meant “distilled” I liked how later in the video he said if you know basic chemistry you can distill your own water. 😆 that’s so basic I didn’t even realize it was considered “chemistry” I really do hope this engine takes off, I’ve been wanting to build an HHO engine for years, but the risk of doing it wrong or getting in a wreck scares the hell out of me 😂 Haha, cheers man
Diluted ? With water? Sounds too good to be true! The engine would be the size of a house? Let’s throw water on the fire. Lots of conspiracy theories around
I remember when Myers died although I didn't know who he was at the time. I was 12 and I watched him die. He stood bolt upright from his chair and rushed out of the cracker barrel. We left shortly after, all I saw was a small crowd around him and a man was crouched down trying to talk to him. A few days after dad called us into the tv room and the news was doing a story on his death, and that started me looking at all the stuff he was doing. He actually came up with a lot of good discoveries that helped to progress the matter but his patents and designs just weren't going to work. I still live in grove city and every time I eat at the cracker barrel I think about that weird day.
This sounds like another perpetual motion machine. Where do you get the electricity to separate the hydrogen and oxygen from the water so that you can feed the hydrogen into the combustion part of the engine? That takes energy on every pass so you would always have to have energy coming from an outside source. Could you show where that energy comes from?
Yep, they kind of glossed over that bit. There are no free rides in physics, so my guess is that they plan to have electric eels living that tank of water, lol.
@@dimitriosfotopoulos3689electric eels? Well, that could work. Lemme back to my lab and run a test. Start Countin your money from royalties, my friend.
u could get power thir the water pump like in hydro electric dam just scaled way down in size it might need battery to start the process but I think it can be done jmo
@@mattjohnson4944So you think you just invented the world's first perpetual motion machine? Breaking all laws of physics, creating more energy than the energy put in, eh? Funny how internet is full of scams based on people believing in this impossibility.
This kind of reminds me of the compressed air car that a French Company had developed. I actually still have a newspaper article on it. But of course the fact that almost nobody has even heard of it means either the technology wasn't feasible or it got crushed by the competion.
The air powered car is not feasible because it takes more time to refuel the air tanks than recharging EVs. The air compressors that fuel air engines use electricity so it takes more electricity to fuel the air tanks.
I heard over 20 years ago from a former colleague in automobile industry that an engine running on water already exists. He didn't want to tell details how it works, but he credibly told me he saw it with his own eyes running on the testcenter.
ALready at that time it was a scam. Nothing more to say other than: anyone with some basic knowledge of physics and chemistry knows that this does not work. Only people lacking this knowledge believe in rainbow farting unicorns like cars running on water.
The one thing I've got to ask is, how well would it heat? Because I live in Missouri and just a couple weeks ago and we dropped below 0 degrees F, and water freezes at a higher temperature than gas. Not to mention heating the cars cab because I don't want to freeze either.
Purely speculating on this one but i imagine it would probably need something like a modified oil pan heater we use in extreme cold conditions, as for heating the vehicle cab, nothing needs to be modified from a traditional internal combustion engine, as they use a ' heater core' which is essentially just a miniature version of the radiator your engine uses, it just sits inside your dash board and blows heat when you provide power to the fan.
If this were real, I would have to completely rethink energy unless the following is the scenario: The battery would lose more energy than the charge it gets, and eventually run out of energy if not charged. Because of basic laws of conservation of energy, this is what I believe to be the case. I'll be happy if proven wrong.
EV cars are not the future because they go flat faster a combustion engine car lasts way longer my car is 32 years old and i use it every day a ev car needs a lot of copper and cobalt for the battery this all needs to be mined and is very harmfull to the enviroment. A water fueld car only exhausts water vapor similar to boiling water. Oh and the battery (as any normal car has) is charged by the alternator.
Since it takes 3x more energy to produce hydrogen. You would need a 240 kwh battery pack on board to produce the the same range as a tesla model 3 does with an 80 kwh pack. And thats if its as efficient as the most efficient hydrogen production plants around today.
@@AskHack It cost $$$$ to replace eV capacity. Today there is plenty of eV capacity and shortage of $. Legacy Auto like Toyota have the biggest debt piles in the world. They are not going to be able to build capacity for any eV killers. No money, no honey.
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Catalysts can chemically speed up the reactions in electrolysis, so can reduce the amount of energy required substantially at the cathode/ anode for "x" volume of gas produced.
@@sheshotjfk8375 Yes I know that, but electrolysis requires electricity... Exactly how are they generating that electricity? Typically using the electricity to power the vehicle directly is more efficient than first using it to separating the hydrogen from the oxygen. There have been many claims of increasing the efficiency of electrolysis with the introduction of radio or sound frequencies. But most of these claims have never been verified.
This is what toyota should do. They can give the water engine technology to public forums, this way this technology can never be contained or destroyed again.
My same thoughts. This article said nothing about cold weather operation. The engine requires pure water, so no type of antifreeze can be allowed. It gets much colder the further north one goes.
I think it should be hybrid.. Battery and H2 fuel from electrolysis, what advantage is battery once fully charged then it will support the electrolysis of water, with this the car can go much longer distance.. And no need to worry in the middle of nowhere.. Even better of while charging, electrolysis also works to fill up the H2 tank..
Easy solution would be a ceramic heat plug . Low energy solution that heats the water , but electrolysis itself heats the water slightly too so there is no freezing problem that can't be solved.
The water engine system will still require a substantial source of electricity - that is, a very large battery. Surely it is more efficient to use an electric motor (as is the case in all current EVs) rather than use this complicated system which physics dictates will be less efficient.
No, you need a toroid that exerts a quantum effect on the electrolysis process, which breaks the second law of thermodynamics - I can guarantee that Toyota hasn't reached out to the guys who are still alive in Michigan that bought Meyer's estate and tried replicating his work. Otherwise they would corner the market.
I have broken the second law of thermodynamics. Nature is an open system, this whole idea of closed systems is so 2000-and-late. My tiger kung-fu is better than theirs.
@NEWS-WisdomTheater3000-bx7ys You're only halfway there. The toroid exerts an effect on the subquantum kinetic level, whereby it accelerates the electrolysis process to a degree that ordinary (unassisted) electrolysis could not achieve, thereby increasing efficiency beyond what would ordinarily be possible. The best way to describe it in non-subquantum kinetic terms would be to think of it as electron-spin resonance on a much lower level process having nothing to do with imaging. The field generated by the toroid exerts an effect on the water travelling through the pipes inside the toroid, splitting the polyatomic structure of water into monatomic components, and more hydrogen is generated as a result of the effect the field exerts via a subquantum kinetic process, which changes what we would ordinarily expect with "molecular", "atomic" and "subatomic" processes. This is what I have been able to determine with my systems of understanding that I know, using Meyer's toroid, which I obtained the plans for and built and tested. I can guarantee you that if Toyota had that, the industry would be transformed in a major way. I believe that Meyer was killed because he had figured out something revolutionary about physics, and the proof is out there, obviously others know about it (including me), and several people have died over it, including Meyer. I will attempt to roughly translate Meyer's print on his water car, "Jesus Christ is Lord", to “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
@NEWS-WisdomTheater3000-bx7ys e.g. "Splitting alcohols into H2 and corresponding aldehydes or ketones with high selectivity under mild conditions can be achieved by heterogeneous photocatalysis." No idea how you would implement this alongside an internal combustion engine however.
It doesn't seem to matter what technology comes up with, Japan has had so many engineers improving so many products from cars to cameras to engines and the better options to make them perform better for less. Reliable products begin in Germany, Sweden and surpassed in Japan. Smaller, lighter, higher performance with lower costs which brings me to wonder how China intends to compete if they begin with lower costs and end with cheaper products ? Sony is one of the exceptions with fewer products to compete with LG, Samsung although Huawei has a few leading products worth considering.
Damn straight. They might single handedly save the superior driving experience and acoustic pleasures of internal combustion engines, AND beat the four wheeled kitchen appliances otherwise known as EV's at their own environmental delusion. BMW deserves a worthy mention too, though.... In the late 1980's - early '90's, BMW had a fleet of E32 7 Series Sedans built to run on Petrol OR Hydrogen, which could be alternated at will by a switch on the dashboard. Similar to the "Dual Fuel" vehicles of the past that could be driven on Petrol or LPG, many of which are still in service. The Hydrogen 7 Series were sent around the world as concept demonstrators, driven by industry experts, journalists, and anyone interested, performing faultlessly at all times. There were industry rumours at that time that Hydrogen would soon begin displacing Petrol as preferred fuel for internal combustion engines, which BMW was enthusiastic about embracing & encouraging, so decided they would be one of the first to present fully functional vehicles as proof of concept. Unfortunately, they were too ahead of their time, as the anticipated shift to Hydrogen never came. In the end, the petroleum industry didn't want their cash cow disturbed, so killed Hydrogen off by declining to invest in the infrastructure it needed through their service stations. And at that time, pressurised Hydrogen still needed to be stored in specialised & expensive cryogenic tanks, both in the vehicle and at filling stations, in addition to requiring special hoses & fittings to transfer the Hydrogen during refuelling. All of which presented costly barriers that were even more expensive then, when the technology was still in it's infancy. Now, such tanks would be cheaper, and they definitely didn't have the potential to "run on water" stored in a simple tank, converted to Hydrogen on-board by the vehicle as it's transferred to the engine. Which is bloody genius. Kudos to Toyota for staying committed to and investing heavily in keeping Internal Combustion Engine technology viable for the future, when almost everyone else has taken the easy way out, and sold their soul to the EV Devil. Toyota's CEO personally loathes EV's, and is a major fan of REAL men's engines, not glorified food processors with the acoustic appeal of a Dentist's Drill, so is a man after my own heart. Toyota already has the Hydrogen fuelled Yaris and a cracking, stonking V8 of about 5 litres in production and for sale in more enlightened markets. Toyota is definitely leading the way down this road, now. And I bow to them in gracious gratitude. BMW were them, 33 years ago, with a commendably good product, but were cheated by that era, which wasn't as ready to accept Hydrogen as the world is, today. However, that still deserves to be acknowledged. Perhaps BMW's prior experience has made them wary about leaping into and investing heavily in Hydrogen again prematurely. I hope as they notice Toyota's enthusiasm & contemporary success with it, they re-engage, and use their past experience with Hydrogen fuelled vehicles to get a jump on the rest of the Europeans. They should really try to collaborate and share experience with Toyota in a partnership project to help each other evolve the technology and share the development costs. They would make a formidable collaboration team, and get a MASSIVE jump on the rest of the market, many of whom have already bet the farm and their future on EV's, with some like Volvo having stopped building cars altogether. REAL ones, anyway. Now producing EV crap, exclusively. If Toyota & BMW can show REAL car enthusiasts they don't need to give up their soulful, internal combustion goodness, to "whirr" around in soulless, battery powered, limp-wristed, gimmicky nerd-mobiles built to please squares, the rest of the market would take years to change their whole production strategies & facilities that they spent so much time & effort transitioning evermore to EV production, back to internal combustion, and then catch up on Hydrogen fuelled internal combustion know-how, that Toyota & BMW will have long since perfected.
No-one is able to make this reality. Simply because it breaks the basic laws of physics. And people should know this, this is basic knowledge of physics.
@@johnscaramis2515 Lol, even though multiple inventors have already successfully created water powered cars and motorcycles around the world? Riiiiight
There are plenty of people around who will get rid of your catalytic converter for you. Just most people find it annoying when they return to their car and the coverter has been nicked.
@@CurtisCT where do you live that that climates would reach near 100 degrees celcius???? Now the cold part, THAT is a valid point, especially since the guy mentioning the water heater disn't explain how that would be powered while my car is sitting for 16 hrs in a parking lot with no power access while I'm working.
@@brianbenoit6883Water doesn't have to reach 100 degrees to evaporate. In any country located in the tropics, water left in any tank evaporates within mere hours.
If you can figure out the resonance of the water molecules, the breaking of the bond will be a lot easier and doesn’t require that much energy to splits H and O.
You seperate water molicules by electrolocist. Any voltage will cause hydrogen to evaporate. The more voltage the better. People do this with a 12V car battery or 6V battery. Alternators recharge batteries. A water powered car can run about 800 miles on one liter of water. 6V is not a lot of power. Electric cars explode, and water powered is safer, and zero emissions also.
@@sleepwalker29 "electrolysis". What he is saying is that the energy required to get hydrogen gas from water is greater than the energy recovered when the same amount of gas goes through combustion. This probably means that we will have to use water and electricity from a power supply. Needing to manage both the battery and the water supply.
As what I heard in the video, the electricity comes from the engine itself when it runs and charges the battery (so yes, a battery is still needed in there like an ordinary car does, and yes, Lithium mining companies will still operate). The challege for water-fueled systems is: can water produce enough electricity to operate its electrolysis? If water can really produce enough energy to sustain its own electrolysis, this will have a HUGE, MASSIVE, TREMENDOUS implication to humanity because it can be used to create a perpetual motion machine. Because what do you get after you combust the hydrogen? You get water again, which you can then split and explode over and over endlessly.
it is also important to note that this is still a combustion engine. even if it is powered by water, it still remains far more than 60% inefficient at converting the energy in water, to kinetic energy (moving the automobile) this means between 11% and no more than 40% of the energy in the water fuel, is converted into motion, to do work. this is like having two people in a home. one working very hard, and the other not working at all, but just watching tv and not cleaning the house. the worker (cleans the house/moves the automobile) the couch potato (watches tv and will not clean the house/creates wasted heat from friction and does no work to any degree, other than heating up the air for no reason, just blowing hot air, this is equivalent to the couch potato doing no work, yet telling the hard worker to do more work and telling the worker what to do, some call this blowing hot air) it is also relevant to consider that all electric motors are powered by a gravity drive event. and this is not far different from electrogravitic theory which can allow toyota vehicles to hover over the ground a few inches, which would be cause for smooth ride quality. as well, this would be consistent with toyotas previous advertisements “moving forward” which clearly, toyota is achieving on all fronts. especially micro mobility the world over.
In the past there was a Japanese car manufacturer that had coated the piston cilinder head and cilinder walls with ceramic coating that made it 60% efficient and didn't need cooling.
There is an element that can compress hydrogen while making it inert. When heated the element releases it's bond with hydrogen. Just need a particle accelerator to make the element.
Thera are may possible ways to store hydrogen and they are all inefficient 😂. Also: producing hydrogen with electricity to then fuel your car is far less efficient then just using electricity in the first place
Exactly!!! This engine doesn't run ON water, it runs WITH water. The water is simply a medium. It runs on electricity. All of which begs the question, where does it come form?
From a giant battery. You could just use an electric motor, but this is faaaaar less efficient so you habe maybe the 10th of the range. Isn't that cool?
Perhaps it's powered by the imagination of somebody longing for either an energy utopia where Boltzman's 2nd law of thermodynamics has been repealed by wishful thinking, or perhaps a cash cow video that plays to common ignorance of physics.
This is an IQ and gullibility test. No "water engine" has ever existed or will ever exist. A steam engine would be as close to one as possible, and every engine takes in more energy than it produces.
I think I have a flux capacitor in my attic from the 80's. Time to get it out and put it in my old Honda. Feel dump now why I didn't think of it before now.
Actually, it's quite easy. My Chem 101 textbook had an article about it. It's called electrolysis and is as simple as running an electrical current through the water. The distilled water just needs a little bit of salt added to it for the current. And it doesn't even take much electricity. Can be done with a simple car battery. Interestingly, the first combustion engines were run off of hydrogen made from electrolysis.
Toyota is a public corporation that needs to keep its stock price pumped up, so they're always going to make bullish announcements, just like Tesla and other companies do.
It was a Filipino inventor who first introduced water powered engine but it was silent for a while then the 2nd timed it was Toyota now open up to the public a water powered engine Water powered engine reborn by Toyota
Maybe there is something in this. A lifetime ago I filled a bottle of water and tapped a tube from it to the inlet manifold of a 4.1 liter Ford Falcon. I then took it for a run. It worked but, the water got sucked through too fast and I had no way of metering the flow, and I really would have had to use a larger container of water. I still used fuel through the cabi but my aim was to increase the humidity of the air mixture (the same way an engine seems to fire better on humid days/nights). I'm not sure if it was this experiment, but later found a push-rod had pushed past its rocker above cylinder 6. Not sure now which one it was.
Sounds like "pie in the sky" stuff, but with technology today who knows. Personally I think all vehicles in the future will be powered with nuclear energy, like submarines are today.The future will bring changes.
@@robertjw3325 I did not mean without electricity but with resonance you can split the cells also and that would take much less electricity. And you could also amplify Stanly Meyer used a toroidal coil for that. The PJK Book is also an interesting read.
@@airdevil21 this method can at best under lab conditions yield 14% higher amounts of hydrogen per kwh at roughly 26% higher efficiency. This is way below the 300% more efficient an electric motor is in using the electricity directly. I'm all for alternatives. But until you can do this process with less energy than just using the energy directly from a battery. And yield the same range. It's pointless.
No-one can build such a car, even Toyota is not able to break the basic laws of physics. And if you would ask one of the engineers at Toyota (or any other ICE producer), you should prepare for being ROFLed.
I was thinking the same thing although, you have to remember what happened to GM when they launched the first production EV car in the 90's. They confiscated ALL their customers' Evo cars, hauled them down to Arizona and crushed them all, even though they worked perfectly and all their customers loved them. Never underestimate the power and ruthlessness of big oil to defend their market monopoly. With all that said, I still believe that Toyota would have the best ability to force this technology into the mainstream and I hope they do.
If this works, it's possibly going to be a big winner. Questions are, how is the electrical power for the electrolysis supplied, and how much water consumption are we talking about? Also thinking that Brita will be creaming themselves over this, eg home distilling.
It's a scam in the way it's presented here. Anyway, the sequence electricity-> hydrogen -> combustion engine is very inefficient compared to electricity -> electric motor. So, if there is electricity onboard, drive an electric motor.
@@calysagora3615 Well water is comprised of 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen; I'm no chemist but hydrogen is very flammable and oxygen could be used as some sort of oxidizer for the hydrogen.
I pay $3:50 for a 600ml bottle of water in Australia, so that would be $6.00 per litre. Let's say they can make it cheaper because they are buying it in bulk, and so are we, it might come down to $2:50 or $3:00. But let's not forget that we would have to desalinate sea water to keep up the supply, so then it goes back up to $6.00. Sun light will be the BIG ENERGY SUPPLIER of the future.
@@user-ml8dm9fz6l thanks mate. If it gets to be a major contender you will suddenly see major companies investing in ways of catching water like we never have before, due to profits to be made.
@@mcdougal0 An even bigger scam is how much you pay for a teeny tiny can of Red bull. Target wants $2.39 for a single 8.4 oz can. That works out to $36.41 per gallon. Some gas stations want $2.99 for that same can, which comes to $45.56 a gallon. Now that is a scam...
My question would be since the one guy was able to convert his car are other gas engines convertible to it? Depending on the cost of conversion, that would save a lot of money and time in converting. Somebody sound sympathy for all the mechanics that have to do this if it is possible.
@@gnosphotos Stan Meyer was a fraudster. You'd know this if you'd checked. He's up there with Ron Wyatt who claimed to have a sample of the blood of Christ he make available for testing and then lost it. You people are so gullible.
@@gnosphotos No, he did not. He claimed that he did it. Everyone with basic knowledge in physics and chemistry knows that this was a scam. Only people lacking education believe in this rainbow farting unicorn. You need to split up water into H2 and O2 and the amount of energy is known. Also the efficiency is known, it's about 50%. So you are losing 50% energy already in that step. Already at that point people should recognize that this does not work. And then on top comes the efficiency of an ICE, top efficiency approx. 40%, mean value around 15-20%. So you are losing energy again. Or let's take another approach: let's assume that electrolysis would work with 100% efficiency. Recombining H2 with O2 cannot create more energy than you hacve to use to split it again. So even without losses, splitting and recombining is a circular process, without any spare energy. And moving a car forward definitely requires energy. If you still believe that this modification was real and worked as Meyer claimed, I wonder how you manage your life with this lack of basic logic.
Two issues. 1. How to produce H2 gas fast enough to maintain engine speeds? 2. How to compress free H2 (for fuel injection) without collapsing the reactor vessels. Technically speaking a carburetor like mechanism for fuel delivery would be ideal, since that would eliminate the need for compression s long as one could maintain the flow of gas
And bonus issue: Water freezes under 0°C / 32 °F. So how to keep it from freezing in the tank? Or is this technology just meant for the warm counties? :D
Just wondering .. with fresh water already being an issue on the planet, how will running cars off of (distilled) water affect fresh water availability if you assume we all switch to hydrogen in the next decade? Seems to me we need to figure out desalination on a much larger scale fast for this to be a viable option?
Given rising sea levels, why not distill sea water which would obviously desalinate it in the process of distillation. Or am I missing something that makes this too expensive or difficult?
@@MasterCedar the cost of distillation and/or reverse osmosis is quite high in energy. Claiming you will solve the issue that way, means you are also solving an energy issue at the same time if you plan on succeeding. That then leaves you with a brine (concentrated salts) problem, where if you just dump it back into sea, you are locally disturbing the ecosystem to a point it will probably not survive, or it's gonna be a costly 3rd issue to solve by dispersing it over a much larger area. I'm not an expert, just regurgitating from memory.
Thank you for your reply. I come from a small town on the west coast of Scotland, this town actually owes its name and indeed its very existence to the fact that it was extracting salt from the sea for hundreds of years, this involved natural evaporation of the water. The only difference is the condensation and collection of that water, if this can be done in Scotland with its climate, imagine what could be done in a warm climate. To my way of thinking it boils down (no pun intended) to location, location, location. As far as the byproduct goes, there is a ready made market for salt (otherwise it would not be mined), should there be an excess of salt, it could easily be dumped in the mines that are currently used to supply the salt or indeed any of the many thousands of mines no longer in use open cast or deep. As I understand it the extraction of hydrogen is or will be done in the actual vehicle, so the main problem is the distillation of the water, surely this cannot be more expensive than the drilling for, extraction of transporting of and refining of crude oil. Ps. Like you I am no expert so may be far off the mark with my way of thinking.@@PlanetJeroen
@@PlanetJeroen Already solved by Dean Kamen, the inventor of the Segway. It's called the slingshot. Makes pure distilled water incredibly fast, almost instantly, with very little energy input. You can look it up. Interestingly, it isn't allowed to be sold in any first world countries. Wonder why?
@@sheshotjfk8375 whats slingshot about it? Seems to be just a distilling machine. Probably banned cuz it seems to lack safety features that are required at the pressures mentioned. As it distills, it cant be fast nor ever hope to efficient and cost effective for application in desalination. (or anything)
the goverment killed him. I remember that story. They killed him due to if that would of got out to the world imagine how much that would of messed with the people who control the gas.
Great, until I looked up some figures: The electrolysis of water will always require more energy than you’d get back from the hydrogen. Simple like that
A Greek engineer had made a water-running engine decades ago, and he tried to sell it and even the Greek government rejected him, he showed his invention on Greek TV and everyone was laughing at him, I have no idea where is he now and what happened to his patent because he was very old back then.
To extract hydrogen from water requires 30 ampere DC for motorcycle and for car requires at 120 ampere DC , so. Is it the electricity will comes from the sky ???? People just made videos to just sell their videos , have no facts with reality . Tks
google Stanley Meyer and water powered engine. It was covered in many magazines such as Scientific American an Popular mechanics. It really existed and yes, he did suddenly die.
There was a water power car featured on an episode of Top Gear sometime in the 80's, JC was somewhat impressed and the audience were able to see the vehicle up close as it drove into the studio. It was the real deal - but again that disappeared too (though it might have been from the same inventor). There was also another story back then, that the inventor when trying to patent his idea at some patenting office caused the entire building to be evacuated, as the engineers perceived it as a fire hazard when it produced hydrogen after adding a bit of water.
A simple battery will provide the energy to produce the hydrogen to power a vehicle? lol…if the battery could do that why not just use it to power the vehicle. A regular car battery could only produce a small amount of energy to make hydrogen. If that same hydrogen is used to power the car, turn the alternator, and recharge the battery to make more hydrogen, then you have a perpetual motion machine
They could Start with HHO in the engine cylinders to reach necessary temperature and pressure for thermolysis and then pass the distilled water and continue using water. It is an ancient technique, even used in Boeing 747-200 water Jet Engines, but not profitable since stock markets collapse.
I do agree to have a engine that runs on water I'm not a scientist but half of our world is covered with water right? so i think it will be fine mates, also despite of the negative things that might occurred i think they have already made a plan ready to a specific problem. Some of us might find it's dangerous but hey it might work, Perfect example is the nuclear power some countries tend to use that kind of substance to make power even though it's very dangerous but of course they are not dumb just to build a thing like that without knowing how to fix the problem remember we have smart people's/Professionals
In another interesting point what is the byproduct is it steam? What is it that comes out the tailpipe and if it at a higher temperature, we may truly in a few number of years have a true climate issue.
Smart ,Toyota will decimate all, producing a vehicle that can run off water, I think everyone would buy a Toyota all the other brands would not being in business for much longer wonderful job Toyota and the people that work there I am impressed
There is a problem with this...... The combustion of Hydrogen produces water. However since water is the initial fuel. They are suggesting they put water in get water out and produce a lot of energy in the process...... Einstein said Energy can neither be created nor destroyed...... So where is it coming from ?
The great thing about an EV motor is how few moving parts it has to break down reducing maintenance costs while providing fast smooth quiet acceleration.
well... its water powered... why would you ever shut it off? If it runs on water, let it run all the time.. :D except... it doesnt and it cannot, as it requires more electricity to make HHO, then you can get energy out of engine... So freezing is not a concern in this case, concern is that this is a lie... i wish it werent but it is.
The only win here is there is no storage tanks required since you use the hydrogen directly. But you still need to charge the battery first(on board electricity to electrolysis into hydrogen gas). Such water powered engine will only work best if it is a hybrid(electric motor as the main component to move the vehicle, then water powered engine as a support when cruising on expressways/highway). This way, there will be lesser battery required, thus reducing the weight and cost of the vehicle
I'm an NGV engineer ( natural gas vehicle related equipment) I had a sit down with a Nuclear Power plant Engineer / manager several years ago and asked him about his thoughts in regards to hydrogen vehicles. He told me theoretically nuclear power plants could easily develop all the hydrogen we needed to fuel a hydrogen economy ( just from the spent fuel rods) the challenge is the transportation of hydrogen. Hydrogen is not easily transported, stored or distributed ( because it permeates or breaks down the molecular structure of whatever it is stored in over time). Natural gas is far easier to transport and store, plus it's abundant, cheap and virtually pollution free.
Alot wasnt covered on the water. Is it distilled water? Does it have to be soft water? Hard water deposits can muck up those parts which would have to be stainless steel. Also in extreme cold weather climates the fuel tank for water would need to be insulated.
They have suppressed engines like this designed by other people for decades and decades
If they do this, the price of water will go to five bucks a gallon LOL. Problem so far has not been that it isn’t possible; It’s that you use far more energy to split water than you get back. Maybe Toyota’s found a breakthrough method of electrolysis but I doubt it.
Not only suppressed, but murdered the ones that developed it.
yes, thanks to Elon who pushed the EV race. These big guys had to cover their asses and bring out all the existing research capabilities
just need to condensate the exhaust steam to reuse always the same water in a lose loop like the gas in your refrigerator@@cdevidal
@@Eh2Solar That's how I planned to build a solar steam engine capturing the output, but for this kind of engine the devil is in the details. Make one and sell it, you can be the next billionaire :)
This is what they teach you to do at management school.....you can speak in detail and at length about something you know very little about. Cheers!
😂 My thoughts exactly!
they are just trying to comfort their shareholders with empty words😅
This is not from Toyota. It is nonsense
case in point, fuelled by diluted water instead of distilled ! But ta for that.
@@dburgess8529 "Diluted water"??? Do they "dilute" the water with gasoline?
Given that splitting water into hydrogen & oxygen takes more energy than can be recovered from the hydrogen released (2nd LoT), I suspect that this was mistaken for the new _ammonia_ engine Toyota is developing, which will run on the hydrogen released from splitting ammonia, which takes less energy than can be recovered from the hydrogen released. It's much cheaper and easier to transport than hydrogen, using similar infrastructure to other liquid fuels. It's unpleasantly toxic, so a bit more care is needed.
No one is going to buy a car that runs on ammonia. Ammonia is a very dangerous chemical, which is a gas when released. I don't think it was ever used as a chemical agent in war, but it would serve that purpose very well. You don't even need to breathe it, it will attach your skin and eyes. Very nasty. Even gasoline is much, much safer.
We can hydrogen peroxide instead of water but again h2oo2 is toxic
Yeah, this has thermodynamic violation written all over it. I like all the conspiracy theorizing at the end of the video. No mention was made of the source of electricity to split the water, or the size, mass, and cost of the electrolyzer. Honestly, this is the dumbest thing I've seen in a while.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Exactly what came to my mind
Just use a Tesla coil like he did to power a car over 100 Years ago.
I look forward to the day where instead of going to the gas station to fill my vehicle I can instead bring out the water hose.
And the giant power cord....
I guess this is just an AI creating these videos (very impressive visually) but the content is really missing fundamentals that any technical person would spot.
You got the point!
Yes, like the fundamental principle that energy can't be created.
Exactly
They went straight up conspiracy theory at 08:03 too
@@waqasahmed939 Its true though.
Where does the energy for the electrolysis come from? Making H2 has a very low energy efficiency!
If you are aware of that, you probably have taken some Engineering, and have heard of Sadi Carnot and the laws of Thermo. If so you have already figured out that this is another scam, moving emissions from the car to the generating plant, losing energy at every step of the way. Unless the intent is to build Nuc plants to provide the energy, this does nothing. and if it is stalled awaiting a buildout of the H2 handling equipment all over the US/world, it is DOA. A first year engineering student could figure this out. Pro tip: invest when the subsidies start coming in. Take your money out when the subsidies stop. If Trump gets in don't even think of it.
HH+
Just thought. The energy needed to generate hydrogen is nothing compared to the amount of energy to truck, ship, and process the fuel or recharge batteries it takes. I don't see Toyota doing this because of safety liability and can destroy industry sectors (oil, shipping) and governments (Saudi Arabia, Venezuela....)
hydrogen generation would use much more energy than transporting oil. This is a scam of some sort.@@dageevil
At some time, we will have to switch over. And as for efficiency, gasoline energy extracted from the heat conversion into motion is just as inefficient. It's the source of fuel everyone is missing. The efficiency will always be less than 100%.
I missed the part where he said how the engine worked. Where does the power come from to make the hydrogen?
You mean how hydrogen is obtained from water? You didn't miss anything, it wasn't stated. From what I gathered it happens somewhere between the water tank and the engine. It would need to have battery power since electrolysis is a process in which DC is used to separate the elements (H and O2) from the water molecule. Then the hydrogen is sent into the combustion chamber where it is ignited to produce power.
Yeah... They didn't say if they needed to upgrade the alternator.
@@michaelsnader5028 Probably, as well as needing a much larger battery than a typical ICE vehicle. Not as big as an EV has but definitely bigger.
Go petrol or diesel much cleaner for the atmosphere and gobs more power. Hydrogen is a pathetic fuel to use for cars. @@jamesaron1967
They briefly mentioned hydrolysis to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen in water, but they completely ignored the fact that the electrical energy needed to do that is far more than burning the resulting hydrogen will yield. Hydrogen engines and hydrolysis of water to obtain hydrogen are both real, but being able to use hydrolysis in a vehicle is a pipe dream. It would take a 100hp fossil fuel generator to make the electricity needed to hydrolyze enough hydrogen to power a 25-30hp water engine.
So the actual power source is the electricity in the battery that is used to electrolyse water. As entropy demands its share every time energy is converted, how efficient is this? 5-10%?
Using the HHO model, then the battery is recharged from an alternator, the same as we currently have. Nothing harder here. Good repurpose of the internal combustion engine infrastructure.
@@Plasmo20 but how efficient is it? it still uses a lot of electricity
Efficiency is negative. The car sits like a lump. Bad science.
Stanley Meyer comes to mind, he mysteriously died about 30 years ago after building an engine in his garage that runs on water.
There was no mystery about his death. He had abdominal pains after eating a meal with 'business interests' and said, as he was dying, "They poisoned me!".
I thought of him immediately 😢
And he was just one of the most recent.
He had the idea before time
As an aside, Dr. Steven Greer MD acquired the equipment from the Meyer estate and said that Stanley had very cleverly left out some of the components, even from the plans, that made his device work hyper efficiently. He died with his secret apparently. This is what happens when you think you can commercialise it. It is revolutionary and iconoclastic, don't expect to get out alive, let alone commercialise it.
And just where exactly can I obtain this diluted water, or can I buy standard full water and dilute it ?
What sort of ratio of water to water is recommended ?
Haha, I caught that too. I think he meant “distilled”
I liked how later in the video he said if you know basic chemistry you can distill your own water. 😆 that’s so basic I didn’t even realize it was considered “chemistry”
I really do hope this engine takes off, I’ve been wanting to build an HHO engine for years, but the risk of doing it wrong or getting in a wreck scares the hell out of me 😂
Haha, cheers man
Beats me, we only have dehydrated water around here
Saltpeter and baking soda.
Diluted ? With water?
Sounds too good to be true!
The engine would be the size of a house?
Let’s throw water on the fire.
Lots of conspiracy theories around
@aepietriyk123it’s distilled water meaning no metals or other contaminants to slow the process of making hydrogen
I remember when Myers died although I didn't know who he was at the time. I was 12 and I watched him die. He stood bolt upright from his chair and rushed out of the cracker barrel. We left shortly after, all I saw was a small crowd around him and a man was crouched down trying to talk to him. A few days after dad called us into the tv room and the news was doing a story on his death, and that started me looking at all the stuff he was doing. He actually came up with a lot of good discoveries that helped to progress the matter but his patents and designs just weren't going to work. I still live in grove city and every time I eat at the cracker barrel I think about that weird day.
Not too far from there. I wish I could have met the guy. I didn't know anything about him until a few years ago.
@@Jralls3 I still live right up the road!
Water freezes in cold climates prob not a great idea
Rest in Peace, Stanley Meyers.
How does it work if its in a very cold climet? Winter in Maine?
Water freezes at 32*f.
Koh mixture simple 🙂
Anti freeze
@@vader94 Mix water with 20-30% Koh and it will not frreeze!! normally 10% summer this also helps with the electrical magic 🙂
This sounds like another perpetual motion machine. Where do you get the electricity to separate the hydrogen and oxygen from the water so that you can feed the hydrogen into the combustion part of the engine? That takes energy on every pass so you would always have to have energy coming from an outside source. Could you show where that energy comes from?
Yep, they kind of glossed over that bit. There are no free rides in physics, so my guess is that they plan to have electric eels living that tank of water, lol.
@@dimitriosfotopoulos3689electric eels? Well, that could work. Lemme back to my lab and run a test. Start Countin your money from royalties, my friend.
u could get power thir the water pump like in hydro electric dam just scaled way down in size it might need battery to start the process but I think it can be done jmo
Thermodynamics cannot be avoided. No free lunch
@@mattjohnson4944So you think you just invented the world's first perpetual motion machine? Breaking all laws of physics, creating more energy than the energy put in, eh?
Funny how internet is full of scams based on people believing in this impossibility.
Just a quick funny question. What temp does water freeze at ?
Depends if you're a yank or not
Well since it's ran off hydrogen -400 degrees f....
0C 32F
Why? Wanna make an ice-car? 😂
Elon Musk will release an immersion heater upgrade for it.
Toyota is always just a "few years away" from the next amazing technology. Reminds me of Blockbuster Video.
Educate yourself before saying something,read about Yull Brown
This kind of reminds me of the compressed air car that a French Company had developed. I actually still have a newspaper article on it. But of course the fact that almost nobody has even heard of it means either the technology wasn't feasible or it got crushed by the competion.
The air powered car is not feasible because it takes more time to refuel the air tanks than recharging EVs. The air compressors that fuel air engines use electricity so it takes more electricity to fuel the air tanks.
air powered cars are all over Mexico city.. when I was there last most of the Taxis were air powered..
This is complete garbage...
Erreur ce moteur a trouvé sa voie chez le constructeur indien TATA
Or probably greedy patrolium companies fought against it.
I heard over 20 years ago from a former colleague in automobile industry that an engine running on water already exists. He didn't want to tell details how it works, but he credibly told me he saw it with his own eyes running on the testcenter.
I will tell all my friends
"He didn't want to tell details how it works", That's because it's bull.
its actually not :/ @@fractuss
ALready at that time it was a scam. Nothing more to say other than: anyone with some basic knowledge of physics and chemistry knows that this does not work.
Only people lacking this knowledge believe in rainbow farting unicorns like cars running on water.
YOur friend saw it with his own eyes? What exactly did he see? I do not say he is lying, but sometime we want to believe things.
The one thing I've got to ask is, how well would it heat? Because I live in Missouri and just a couple weeks ago and we dropped below 0 degrees F, and water freezes at a higher temperature than gas. Not to mention heating the cars cab because I don't want to freeze either.
Purely speculating on this one but i imagine it would probably need something like a modified oil pan heater we use in extreme cold conditions, as for heating the vehicle cab, nothing needs to be modified from a traditional internal combustion engine, as they use a ' heater core' which is essentially just a miniature version of the radiator your engine uses, it just sits inside your dash board and blows heat when you provide power to the fan.
I don't actually know but maybe it could possibly be heating wire?
If this were real, I would have to completely rethink energy unless the following is the scenario: The battery would lose more energy than the charge it gets, and eventually run out of energy if not charged. Because of basic laws of conservation of energy, this is what I believe to be the case. I'll be happy if proven wrong.
EV cars are not the future because they go flat faster a combustion engine car lasts way longer my car is 32 years old and i use it every day a ev car needs a lot of copper and cobalt for the battery this all needs to be mined and is very harmfull to the enviroment. A water fueld car only exhausts water vapor similar to boiling water. Oh and the battery (as any normal car has) is charged by the alternator.
never trust a guy that can't pronounce diluted properly
Use a Tesla coil.
@@gatecrasher1970 And the reference to "diluted water" was the final straw! Like, um, how do you dilute water? By adding more water?
@@HartmutWSager Distilled I'm guessing, not diluted. Tap water would probably clog up the works.
Since it takes 3x more energy to produce hydrogen. You would need a 240 kwh battery pack on board to produce the the same range as a tesla model 3 does with an 80 kwh pack. And thats if its as efficient as the most efficient hydrogen production plants around today.
🤓 only if a combustion engine would be as efficient as an electric 😂
If i get a dollar everytime i hear "This will destroy the eV industry" I would be a millionaire today.
Lol I’m not buying either… now that the Arabs are selling oil at a high price and refuse
To lower it a lot of these different engines have been coming
Ev industry will destroy itself,its a shit stop gap
It will batteries are dumb.
@@AskHack It cost $$$$ to replace eV capacity. Today there is plenty of eV capacity and shortage of $. Legacy Auto like Toyota have the biggest debt piles in the world. They are not going to be able to build capacity for any eV killers. No money, no honey.
How do you keep the water reservoir from freezing in colder climates?
lol
You build a fire to heat the water tank below your car😊
Lemme know if u want a step by step guide, comment below 🥴
Special additive can be added to water to avoid freezing
The only question I have is what is gonna happen in the winter 😂
Sleep at home perhaps😂
Stan Meyers already solved that problem - used an electrical process to keep the water from freezing.
Ya it’s called antifreeze, can also have small heaters that will run a a D battery to keep the tank above 32 degrees
Yg diperlukan adalah reaktor nuklir portabel, untuk memanaskan air😂😂😂.
Apabila masih membeku, perlu kayu bakar untuk membuat api unggun dibawah tangki air plastiknya😂😂😂
@@tuesdayderelictsandfriends8135 Which you can power by "burning" the water!
The energy to convert water into H2 should equal the output with nothing leftover to power the car.
Wrong
@@ankhenaten2you cant be this dumb
Sir Isaac Newton would like to have a word with you about entropy.
Why should it equal?
Catalysts can chemically speed up the reactions in electrolysis, so can reduce the amount of energy required substantially at the cathode/ anode for "x" volume of gas produced.
I would like to know exactly how they're separating the hydrogen from the oxygen and what is powering that process?
By Magic or Voodoo, powerd by the ether or nowadays quantum fluctations ;-)
Electrolysis!
Oil probably.
@@sheshotjfk8375
Yes I know that, but electrolysis requires electricity... Exactly how are they generating that electricity? Typically using the electricity to power the vehicle directly is more efficient than first using it to separating the hydrogen from the oxygen.
There have been many claims of increasing the efficiency of electrolysis with the introduction of radio or sound frequencies. But most of these claims have never been verified.
This is what toyota should do. They can give the water engine technology to public forums, this way this technology can never be contained or destroyed again.
What's the energy source for electrolysis? How much efficiency?
Definitely in the negatives.
THIS IS NOT NEW WAS INVENTED MANY YEARS AGO AND THE OIL LOBBY , HID IT AWAY ! ! TILL NOW !
Stan Myers 😢 ⚰️
So, we will go to ww3 and the innovation goes away?
I'd like to know how it preforms in below freezing temperatures and the hot Texas heat?
Hydrogen cools down at -230° which is not even available in antarctic so chill out
My same thoughts. This article said nothing about cold weather operation.
The engine requires pure water, so no type of antifreeze can be allowed.
It gets much colder the further north one goes.
Adding Antifreeze or Glycol or Alcohol would lower the freezing point, but I'm not sure how it could impact engine performance.
I think it should be hybrid.. Battery and H2 fuel from electrolysis, what advantage is battery once fully charged then it will support the electrolysis of water, with this the car can go much longer distance.. And no need to worry in the middle of nowhere.. Even better of while charging, electrolysis also works to fill up the H2 tank..
How will they keep the water from freezing in the winter?
If the engine could run on salt water then this wouldn't be an issue.
@@darylc9332Salt water freezes at -1.9c⁰ instead of 0c⁰
So then that problem is solved.
50/50 with anti-freeze 😅
Easy solution would be a ceramic heat plug . Low energy solution that heats the water , but electrolysis itself heats the water slightly too so there is no freezing problem that can't be solved.
Good question but not a problem for many countries. Many countries many😅 varieties of cars can run
The water engine system will still require a substantial source of electricity - that is, a very large battery. Surely it is more efficient to use an electric motor (as is the case in all current EVs) rather than use this complicated system which physics dictates will be less efficient.
No, you need a toroid that exerts a quantum effect on the electrolysis process, which breaks the second law of thermodynamics - I can guarantee that Toyota hasn't reached out to the guys who are still alive in Michigan that bought Meyer's estate and tried replicating his work. Otherwise they would corner the market.
I have broken the second law of thermodynamics. Nature is an open system, this whole idea of closed systems is so 2000-and-late. My tiger kung-fu is better than theirs.
@NEWS-WisdomTheater3000-bx7ys You're only halfway there. The toroid exerts an effect on the subquantum kinetic level, whereby it accelerates the electrolysis process to a degree that ordinary (unassisted) electrolysis could not achieve, thereby increasing efficiency beyond what would ordinarily be possible. The best way to describe it in non-subquantum kinetic terms would be to think of it as electron-spin resonance on a much lower level process having nothing to do with imaging. The field generated by the toroid exerts an effect on the water travelling through the pipes inside the toroid, splitting the polyatomic structure of water into monatomic components, and more hydrogen is generated as a result of the effect the field exerts via a subquantum kinetic process, which changes what we would ordinarily expect with "molecular", "atomic" and "subatomic" processes.
This is what I have been able to determine with my systems of understanding that I know, using Meyer's toroid, which I obtained the plans for and built and tested. I can guarantee you that if Toyota had that, the industry would be transformed in a major way. I believe that Meyer was killed because he had figured out something revolutionary about physics, and the proof is out there, obviously others know about it (including me), and several people have died over it, including Meyer.
I will attempt to roughly translate Meyer's print on his water car, "Jesus Christ is Lord", to “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Just think about winter
@NEWS-WisdomTheater3000-bx7ys e.g. "Splitting alcohols into H2 and corresponding aldehydes or ketones with high selectivity under mild conditions can be achieved by heterogeneous photocatalysis." No idea how you would implement this alongside an internal combustion engine however.
If Toyota is able to make this a reality, I swear my allegiance to their products for the rest of my life.
It doesn't seem to matter what technology comes up with, Japan has had so many engineers improving so many products from cars to cameras to engines and the better options to make them perform better for less. Reliable products begin in Germany, Sweden and surpassed in Japan. Smaller, lighter, higher performance with lower costs which brings me to wonder how China intends to compete if they begin with lower costs and end with cheaper products ? Sony is one of the exceptions with fewer products to compete with LG, Samsung although Huawei has a few leading products worth considering.
therefore you are commanded to perform harakiri
Damn straight. They might single handedly save the superior driving experience and acoustic pleasures of internal combustion engines, AND beat the four wheeled kitchen appliances otherwise known as EV's at their own environmental delusion.
BMW deserves a worthy mention too, though....
In the late 1980's - early '90's, BMW had a fleet of E32 7 Series Sedans built to run on Petrol OR Hydrogen, which could be alternated at will by a switch on the dashboard. Similar to the "Dual Fuel" vehicles of the past that could be driven on Petrol or LPG, many of which are still in service. The Hydrogen 7 Series were sent around the world as concept demonstrators, driven by industry experts, journalists, and anyone interested, performing faultlessly at all times. There were industry rumours at that time that Hydrogen would soon begin displacing Petrol as preferred fuel for internal combustion engines, which BMW was enthusiastic about embracing & encouraging, so decided they would be one of the first to present fully functional vehicles as proof of concept. Unfortunately, they were too ahead of their time, as the anticipated shift to Hydrogen never came. In the end, the petroleum industry didn't want their cash cow disturbed, so killed Hydrogen off by declining to invest in the infrastructure it needed through their service stations. And at that time, pressurised Hydrogen still needed to be stored in specialised & expensive cryogenic tanks, both in the vehicle and at filling stations, in addition to requiring special hoses & fittings to transfer the Hydrogen during refuelling. All of which presented costly barriers that were even more expensive then, when the technology was still in it's infancy. Now, such tanks would be cheaper, and they definitely didn't have the potential to "run on water" stored in a simple tank, converted to Hydrogen on-board by the vehicle as it's transferred to the engine. Which is bloody genius.
Kudos to Toyota for staying committed to and investing heavily in keeping Internal Combustion Engine technology viable for the future, when almost everyone else has taken the easy way out, and sold their soul to the EV Devil. Toyota's CEO personally loathes EV's, and is a major fan of REAL men's engines, not glorified food processors with the acoustic appeal of a Dentist's Drill, so is a man after my own heart. Toyota already has the Hydrogen fuelled Yaris and a cracking, stonking V8 of about 5 litres in production and for sale in more enlightened markets.
Toyota is definitely leading the way down this road, now. And I bow to them in gracious gratitude.
BMW were them, 33 years ago, with a commendably good product, but were cheated by that era, which wasn't as ready to accept Hydrogen as the world is, today. However, that still deserves to be acknowledged. Perhaps BMW's prior experience has made them wary about leaping into and investing heavily in Hydrogen again prematurely. I hope as they notice Toyota's enthusiasm & contemporary success with it, they re-engage, and use their past experience with Hydrogen fuelled vehicles to get a jump on the rest of the Europeans. They should really try to collaborate and share experience with Toyota in a partnership project to help each other evolve the technology and share the development costs. They would make a formidable collaboration team, and get a MASSIVE jump on the rest of the market, many of whom have already bet the farm and their future on EV's, with some like Volvo having stopped building cars altogether. REAL ones, anyway. Now producing EV crap, exclusively.
If Toyota & BMW can show REAL car enthusiasts they don't need to give up their soulful, internal combustion goodness, to "whirr" around in soulless, battery powered, limp-wristed, gimmicky nerd-mobiles built to please squares, the rest of the market would take years to change their whole production strategies & facilities that they spent so much time & effort transitioning evermore to EV production, back to internal combustion, and then catch up on Hydrogen fuelled internal combustion know-how, that Toyota & BMW will have long since perfected.
No-one is able to make this reality. Simply because it breaks the basic laws of physics. And people should know this, this is basic knowledge of physics.
@@johnscaramis2515 Lol, even though multiple inventors have already successfully created water powered cars and motorcycles around the world? Riiiiight
So does this get rid of the Catalytic converter?
There are plenty of people around who will get rid of your catalytic converter for you. Just most people find it annoying when they return to their car and the coverter has been nicked.
I would say that it definitely would get rid of catalytic converters!
@@c2757,🤣😂😂
You’ve got to tip your hat to the excellence of Japanese Engineering.👍👍
The video skipped the part where they tell you, that a battery 3x larger than an ev battery is needed to power the electrolysis.
No that is originated in philippine inventor.
And yet the most important question went unanswered: have they managed to solve water storage in the car tank in very cold and very hot climates?
Simple...add a water heater...
@@steven-nb6rtHow does a water heater help water storage in hot climates??
@@CurtisCT where do you live that that climates would reach near 100 degrees celcius???? Now the cold part, THAT is a valid point, especially since the guy mentioning the water heater disn't explain how that would be powered while my car is sitting for 16 hrs in a parking lot with no power access while I'm working.
@@brianbenoit6883Water doesn't have to reach 100 degrees to evaporate. In any country located in the tropics, water left in any tank evaporates within mere hours.
yes, that would the water in your radiator ...
Splitting H and O is more expensive than the energy obtained from burning (back to water)
If you can figure out the resonance of the water molecules, the breaking of the bond will be a lot easier and doesn’t require that much energy to splits H and O.
@@alitatunertc1775 lol
You seperate water molicules by electrolocist. Any voltage will cause hydrogen to evaporate. The more voltage the better. People do this with a 12V car battery or 6V battery. Alternators recharge batteries. A water powered car can run about 800 miles on one liter of water. 6V is not a lot of power. Electric cars explode, and water powered is safer, and zero emissions also.
Extra power provider's
1)alternator
2)mild hybrid
3)solar panel
4)small wind turbine
5)heat in engine
@@sleepwalker29 "electrolysis". What he is saying is that the energy required to get hydrogen gas from water is greater than the energy recovered when the same amount of gas goes through combustion. This probably means that we will have to use water and electricity from a power supply. Needing to manage both the battery and the water supply.
So where is the electricity for electrolysis coming from ?
As what I heard in the video, the electricity comes from the engine itself when it runs and charges the battery (so yes, a battery is still needed in there like an ordinary car does, and yes, Lithium mining companies will still operate). The challege for water-fueled systems is: can water produce enough electricity to operate its electrolysis?
If water can really produce enough energy to sustain its own electrolysis, this will have a HUGE, MASSIVE, TREMENDOUS implication to humanity because it can be used to create a perpetual motion machine. Because what do you get after you combust the hydrogen? You get water again, which you can then split and explode over and over endlessly.
Bro this is embarrassing as fck that people don't understand that basic laws of physics contradict any of this in the video xD
it is also important to note that this is still a combustion engine. even if it is powered by water, it still remains far more than 60% inefficient at converting the energy in water, to kinetic energy (moving the automobile)
this means between 11% and no more than 40% of the energy in the water fuel, is converted into motion, to do work.
this is like having two people in a home. one working very hard, and the other not working at all, but just watching tv and not cleaning the house.
the worker (cleans the house/moves the automobile) the couch potato (watches tv and will not clean the house/creates wasted heat from friction and does no work to any degree, other than heating up the air for no reason, just blowing hot air, this is equivalent to the couch potato doing no work, yet telling the hard worker to do more work and telling the worker what to do, some call this blowing hot air)
it is also relevant to consider that all electric motors are powered by a gravity drive event. and this is not far different from electrogravitic theory which can allow toyota vehicles to hover over the ground a few inches, which would be cause for smooth ride quality. as well, this would be consistent with toyotas previous advertisements “moving forward” which clearly, toyota is achieving on all fronts. especially micro mobility the world over.
Nice
It's better than a kick in the teeth I guess.
What power in water? There is no power in water 😂. Ever tried burning water?
It would need to be a higher compression engine which would burn the majority of the fuel.
In the past there was a Japanese car manufacturer that had coated the piston cilinder head and cilinder walls with ceramic coating that made it 60% efficient and didn't need cooling.
There is an element that can compress hydrogen while making it inert. When heated the element releases it's bond with hydrogen. Just need a particle accelerator to make the element.
Anhydride
You are talking about metal hydrides.
I see chemists are present
Platinum?
Thera are may possible ways to store hydrogen and they are all inefficient 😂. Also: producing hydrogen with electricity to then fuel your car is far less efficient then just using electricity in the first place
Where does the electricity that is used for the electrolysis to separate the H and O come from? Can someone explain that little detail?
Exactly!!! This engine doesn't run ON water, it runs WITH water. The water is simply a medium. It runs on electricity. All of which begs the question, where does it come form?
From a giant battery. You could just use an electric motor, but this is faaaaar less efficient so you habe maybe the 10th of the range. Isn't that cool?
Perhaps it's powered by the imagination of somebody longing for either an energy utopia where Boltzman's 2nd law of thermodynamics has been repealed by wishful thinking, or perhaps a cash cow video that plays to common ignorance of physics.
This is an IQ and gullibility test. No "water engine" has ever existed or will ever exist. A steam engine would be as close to one as possible, and every engine takes in more energy than it produces.
I think I have a flux capacitor in my attic from the 80's. Time to get it out and put it in my old Honda.
Feel dump now why I didn't think of it before now.
It was once explained to me; that extracting hydrogen from water (oxidized hydrogen) was akin to extracting wood from ash
Actually, it's quite easy. My Chem 101 textbook had an article about it. It's called electrolysis and is as simple as running an electrical current through the water. The distilled water just needs a little bit of salt added to it for the current. And it doesn't even take much electricity. Can be done with a simple car battery. Interestingly, the first combustion engines were run off of hydrogen made from electrolysis.
When will Toyota do what they actually say , Toyota is just talking, but no actions
"When will Toyota do what they actually say , Toyota is just talking, but no actions"
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So do all other companies.
Toyota is a public corporation that needs to keep its stock price pumped up, so they're always going to make bullish announcements, just like Tesla and other companies do.
@ChickensAndGardening Toyota is talk and no action
@allgoo1990 lol, that's the best excuse you can come up with
@@lynkmartin Maybe, I guess we'll see in the next 3 years.
It was a Filipino inventor who first introduced water powered engine but it was silent for a while then the 2nd timed it was Toyota now open up to the public a water powered engine
Water powered engine reborn by Toyota
Should this have been released next April 1?
Yes, anyone who has taken a course in thermodynamics or paid attention in high school chemistry will recognize that this is a fantasy. 😂
Maybe there is something in this. A lifetime ago I filled a bottle of water and tapped a tube from it to the inlet manifold of a 4.1 liter Ford Falcon. I then took it for a run. It worked but, the water got sucked through too fast and I had no way of metering the flow, and I really would have had to use a larger container of water. I still used fuel through the cabi but my aim was to increase the humidity of the air mixture (the same way an engine seems to fire better on humid days/nights). I'm not sure if it was this experiment, but later found a push-rod had pushed past its rocker above cylinder 6. Not sure now which one it was.
Sounds like "pie in the sky" stuff, but with technology today who knows. Personally
I think all vehicles in the future will be powered with nuclear energy, like submarines
are today.The future will bring changes.
Awesome I love this!!! Go Toyota go!!! 💜
Would you still love it when you find out you would need a battery 3x larger than an ev battery to power the electrolysis?
@@robertjw3325 :) we don't need batteries for electrolysis it can be done other ways too
@@airdevil21 really. Educate me. How are you creating hydrogen on board without electricity
@@robertjw3325 I did not mean without electricity but with resonance you can split the cells also and that would take much less electricity. And you could also amplify Stanly Meyer used a toroidal coil for that. The PJK Book is also an interesting read.
@@airdevil21 this method can at best under lab conditions yield 14% higher amounts of hydrogen per kwh at roughly 26% higher efficiency. This is way below the 300% more efficient an electric motor is in using the electricity directly. I'm all for alternatives. But until you can do this process with less energy than just using the energy directly from a battery. And yield the same range. It's pointless.
If anyone could make it work reliably, it's Toyota. And I hardly think such a large company would give in to oil companies
They didn't - hence Prius :)
No-one can build such a car, even Toyota is not able to break the basic laws of physics. And if you would ask one of the engineers at Toyota (or any other ICE producer), you should prepare for being ROFLed.
I was thinking the same thing although, you have to remember what happened to GM when they launched the first production EV car in the 90's. They confiscated ALL their customers' Evo cars, hauled them down to Arizona and crushed them all, even though they worked perfectly and all their customers loved them. Never underestimate the power and ruthlessness of big oil to defend their market monopoly.
With all that said, I still believe that Toyota would have the best ability to force this technology into the mainstream and I hope they do.
How would these cars function in minus 20 degree weather in northern climes ?
Water is not that difficult to keep from freezing.
Im sure there will be some special stuff you can add into the water for winter blend.
If it is so , what will happen specially to the counties of OPEC ? Simply because not the individual but massive TOYOTA openly handling the project .
If this works, it's possibly going to be a big winner.
Questions are, how is the electrical power for the electrolysis supplied, and how much water consumption are we talking about?
Also thinking that Brita will be creaming themselves over this, eg home distilling.
It's a scam in the way it's presented here.
Anyway, the sequence electricity-> hydrogen -> combustion engine is very inefficient compared to electricity -> electric motor.
So, if there is electricity onboard, drive an electric motor.
That is the 1 Million dollar question. And according to this clip, all it takes is a little bit of magik :)
Water is not normally regarded as a fuel since it is already "burnt".
It is NEVER regarded as a fuel. Because it's not a fuel, and no engine ever ran on water. (No, steam engines runs on coal)
@@calysagora3615 Well water is comprised of 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen; I'm no chemist but hydrogen is very flammable and oxygen could be used as some sort of oxidizer for the hydrogen.
I pay $3:50 for a 600ml bottle of water in Australia, so that would be $6.00 per litre. Let's say they can make it cheaper because they are buying it in bulk, and so are we, it might come down to $2:50 or $3:00.
But let's not forget that we would have to desalinate sea water to keep up the supply, so then it goes back up to $6.00. Sun light will be the BIG ENERGY SUPPLIER of the future.
How much do you pay for a litre of water from your kitchen tap? Bottled water is a Scam.
@@user-ml8dm9fz6l thanks mate. If it gets to be a major contender you will suddenly see major companies investing in ways of catching water like we never have before, due to profits to be made.
U have a serous water problem
You buy water?
LOL!!!
Beef farmer, NSW
@@mcdougal0 An even bigger scam is how much you pay for a teeny tiny can of Red bull. Target wants $2.39 for a single 8.4 oz can. That works out to $36.41 per gallon. Some gas stations want $2.99 for that same can, which comes to $45.56 a gallon. Now that is a scam...
How does water get to engine in 40 below weather and the car is parked outside or is it going to have a wind/solar electric heat on top.
My question would be since the one guy was able to convert his car are other gas engines convertible to it? Depending on the cost of conversion, that would save a lot of money and time in converting. Somebody sound sympathy for all the mechanics that have to do this if it is possible.
No one has ever carried out such a conversion, it's just myth that has been claimed over and over again.
Yes, Stan Meyer did it a long time ago.
@@gnosphotos Stan Meyer was a fraudster. You'd know this if you'd checked. He's up there with Ron Wyatt who claimed to have a sample of the blood of Christ he make available for testing and then lost it. You people are so gullible.
@@gnosphotos No, he did not. He claimed that he did it. Everyone with basic knowledge in physics and chemistry knows that this was a scam.
Only people lacking education believe in this rainbow farting unicorn.
You need to split up water into H2 and O2 and the amount of energy is known. Also the efficiency is known, it's about 50%. So you are losing 50% energy already in that step. Already at that point people should recognize that this does not work. And then on top comes the efficiency of an ICE, top efficiency approx. 40%, mean value around 15-20%. So you are losing energy again.
Or let's take another approach: let's assume that electrolysis would work with 100% efficiency. Recombining H2 with O2 cannot create more energy than you hacve to use to split it again. So even without losses, splitting and recombining is a circular process, without any spare energy.
And moving a car forward definitely requires energy.
If you still believe that this modification was real and worked as Meyer claimed, I wonder how you manage your life with this lack of basic logic.
@@gnosphotos
And Denny Kline, Daniel Dingel, Arturo Estévez, a guy in Iran more recently, Bob Lazzar...
Two issues.
1. How to produce H2 gas fast enough to maintain engine speeds?
2. How to compress free H2 (for fuel injection) without collapsing the reactor vessels.
Technically speaking a carburetor like mechanism for fuel delivery would be ideal, since that would eliminate the need for compression s long as one could maintain the flow of gas
And bonus issue:
Water freezes under 0°C / 32 °F. So how to keep it from freezing in the tank? Or is this technology just meant for the warm counties? :D
Right
Just wondering .. with fresh water already being an issue on the planet, how will running cars off of (distilled) water affect fresh water availability if you assume we all switch to hydrogen in the next decade? Seems to me we need to figure out desalination on a much larger scale fast for this to be a viable option?
Given rising sea levels, why not distill sea water which would obviously desalinate it in the process of distillation. Or am I missing something that makes this too expensive or difficult?
@@MasterCedar the cost of distillation and/or reverse osmosis is quite high in energy. Claiming you will solve the issue that way, means you are also solving an energy issue at the same time if you plan on succeeding.
That then leaves you with a brine (concentrated salts) problem, where if you just dump it back into sea, you are locally disturbing the ecosystem to a point it will probably not survive, or it's gonna be a costly 3rd issue to solve by dispersing it over a much larger area.
I'm not an expert, just regurgitating from memory.
Thank you for your reply. I come from a small town on the west coast of Scotland, this town actually owes its name and indeed its very existence to the fact that it was extracting salt from the sea for hundreds of years, this involved natural evaporation of the water. The only difference is the condensation and collection of that water, if this can be done in Scotland with its climate, imagine what could be done in a warm climate. To my way of thinking it boils down (no pun intended) to location, location, location. As far as the byproduct goes, there is a ready made market for salt (otherwise it would not be mined), should there be an excess of salt, it could easily be dumped in the mines that are currently used to supply the salt or indeed any of the many thousands of mines no longer in use open cast or deep.
As I understand it the extraction of hydrogen is or will be done in the actual vehicle, so the main problem is the distillation of the water, surely this cannot be more expensive than the drilling for, extraction of transporting of and refining of crude oil.
Ps. Like you I am no expert so may be far off the mark with my way of thinking.@@PlanetJeroen
@@PlanetJeroen Already solved by Dean Kamen, the inventor of the Segway. It's called the slingshot. Makes pure distilled water incredibly fast, almost instantly, with very little energy input. You can look it up. Interestingly, it isn't allowed to be sold in any first world countries. Wonder why?
@@sheshotjfk8375 whats slingshot about it? Seems to be just a distilling machine. Probably banned cuz it seems to lack safety features that are required at the pressures mentioned. As it distills, it cant be fast nor ever hope to efficient and cost effective for application in desalination. (or anything)
How does it fair in below freezing temps? Winter is a thing and if it can't take the cold then it won't be as useful as we hope.
I was going to ask the same thing. Antifreeze might work.
I just hope they keep the water cold just in case the driver got thirsty!😂
If engineers create a way to pick up the water ejected from the car, probably every water bottle company will go bankrupt 😂
😂😂😂
My cousin told of some guy in the early fifties made a carburetor that got 75 miles to the gallon and couple weeks later he was gone...
What do you mean? He died or something?
that's as true as saying i know a guy, who knows a guy, who blah blah. the stupidity...
Yeah that's my point too true story. And the car he invented is disappear too.
the goverment killed him. I remember that story. They killed him due to if that would of got out to the world imagine how much that would of messed with the people who control the gas.
I heard a similar story to that
Great, until I looked up some figures:
The electrolysis of water will always require more energy than you’d get back from the hydrogen.
Simple like that
A Greek engineer had made a water-running engine decades ago, and he tried to sell it and even the Greek government rejected him, he showed his invention on Greek TV and everyone was laughing at him, I have no idea where is he now and what happened to his patent because he was very old back then.
The last person that had a engine that ran on water disappeared I don't think the big oil companies liked the fact it did not need fuel or oil
Jethro Bodine
Silly old myth.
News headline!!!: The US just made up a reason to go to war with Japan!!!! 😂
To extract hydrogen from water requires 30 ampere DC for motorcycle and for car requires at 120 ampere DC , so. Is it the electricity will comes from the sky ???? People just made videos to just sell their videos , have no facts with reality . Tks
Lack of knowledge can be more disastrous than zero knowledge
google Stanley Meyer and water powered engine. It was covered in many magazines such as Scientific American an Popular mechanics. It really existed and yes, he did suddenly die.
There was a water power car featured on an episode of Top Gear sometime in the 80's, JC was somewhat impressed and the audience were able to see the vehicle up close as it drove into the studio. It was the real deal - but again that disappeared too (though it might have been from the same inventor). There was also another story back then, that the inventor when trying to patent his idea at some patenting office caused the entire building to be evacuated, as the engineers perceived it as a fire hazard when it produced hydrogen after adding a bit of water.
No such thing as a "water powered" heat engine, they are all scams going back to the infamous scammer Stanley Meyers.
That's NOT how patent offices work or ever have. They only want DOCUMENTATION, not samples or demonstrations!
Where do they get the energy required to split water??
Electrolysis. A simple car battery hooked to an alternator should probably do it.
A simple battery will provide the energy to produce the hydrogen to power a vehicle? lol…if the battery could do that why not just use it to power the vehicle. A regular car battery could only produce a small amount of energy to make hydrogen. If that same hydrogen is used to power the car, turn the alternator, and recharge the battery to make more hydrogen, then you have a perpetual motion machine
@@woodconnection7899 That's NOT perpetual motion 🤦♂
@@sheshotjfk8375 It would be something alike. And would work *_just as well_*
They could Start with HHO in the engine cylinders to reach necessary temperature and pressure for thermolysis and then pass the distilled water and continue using water.
It is an ancient technique, even used in Boeing 747-200 water Jet Engines, but not profitable since stock markets collapse.
Where does the energy to generate electrolysis and hydrogen come from?????
A second gas engine 😆
If it indeed runs on distilled water then my next question is: how much energy would it cost to produce this water?
How much would filtration through a membrane even cost? Almost peanuts compared to crude conversion and so on.
I do agree to have a engine that runs on water I'm not a scientist but half of our world is covered with water right? so i think it will be fine mates, also despite of the negative things that might occurred i think they have already made a plan ready to a specific problem. Some of us might find it's dangerous but hey it might work, Perfect example is the nuclear power some countries tend to use that kind of substance to make power even though it's very dangerous but of course they are not dumb just to build a thing like that without knowing how to fix the problem remember we have smart people's/Professionals
sounds like Toyota are clutching at straws, promising the earth again, playing catch-up
Respect to Stanley Meyers, who first oversaw this idea.
Imaging this thing coming through , the oil and the car industry will try to kill whoever is creating this
In another interesting point what is the byproduct is it steam? What is it that comes out the tailpipe and if it at a higher temperature, we may truly in a few number of years have a true climate issue.
This sounds very great. Why isnt this possible
Smart ,Toyota will decimate all, producing a vehicle that can run off water, I think everyone would buy a Toyota all the other brands would not being in business for much longer wonderful job Toyota and the people that work there I am impressed
Is it plain water or a mixture of other liquids? I ask because how would this work in temperatures below the freezing level?
Your on the right track
What if it freezes outside or gets hot
There is a problem with this...... The combustion of Hydrogen produces water. However since water is the initial fuel. They are suggesting they put water in get water out and produce a lot of energy in the process...... Einstein said Energy can neither be created nor destroyed...... So where is it coming from ?
Hoping this technology will come sooner!!!
The first working water engine was invented over a century ago.
The great thing about an EV motor is how few moving parts it has to break down reducing maintenance costs while providing fast smooth quiet acceleration.
Water is H2O. Hydrogen burns and to burn it need Oxygen. A win/ win situation
How do you overcome the water freezing completely during the winter months
Water heater 24/7 batteries. And park in door attached garage winter
So, how do you keep your fuel (water) from freezing solid while it’s parked in your driveway in the winter?
well... its water powered... why would you ever shut it off? If it runs on water, let it run all the time.. :D except... it doesnt and it cannot, as it requires more electricity to make HHO, then you can get energy out of engine... So freezing is not a concern in this case, concern is that this is a lie... i wish it werent but it is.
The only win here is there is no storage tanks required since you use the hydrogen directly. But you still need to charge the battery first(on board electricity to electrolysis into hydrogen gas). Such water powered engine will only work best if it is a hybrid(electric motor as the main component to move the vehicle, then water powered engine as a support when cruising on expressways/highway). This way, there will be lesser battery required, thus reducing the weight and cost of the vehicle
"so theres this car that runs on water man, its gotta fiberglass air cooled engine and it runs on water man"
What is diluted water?
where the energy that powers the electrolysis comes from?
Where does the vehicle get the energy to separate the hydrogen from the water?
I'm an NGV engineer ( natural gas vehicle related equipment) I had a sit down with a Nuclear Power plant Engineer / manager several years ago and asked him about his thoughts in regards to hydrogen vehicles. He told me theoretically nuclear power plants could easily develop all the hydrogen we needed to fuel a hydrogen economy ( just from the spent fuel rods) the challenge is the transportation of hydrogen. Hydrogen is not easily transported, stored or distributed ( because it permeates or breaks down the molecular structure of whatever it is stored in over time). Natural gas is far easier to transport and store, plus it's abundant, cheap and virtually pollution free.
And... this AI generated video is featuring the Toyota experimental Ammonia engine ( not the Hydrogen engine)
Alot wasnt covered on the water. Is it distilled water? Does it have to be soft water? Hard water deposits can muck up those parts which would have to be stainless steel. Also in extreme cold weather climates the fuel tank for water would need to be insulated.
Doesn't have to be stainless steel gold or palladium coated and yes 200$ more but longer lifetime and recoverable.
They better have massive security because all the big oil companies are gonna try and make them disappear.
7:05 NASA has been working on a water powered vehicle and made it possible too.