I’ve been a CFI almost 40 years and our styles are very similar. I even picked up a couple of things myself that I plan to change. One thing that I have found helpful when they are over controlling on final is to remind them to relax their grip on the controls and think pressures instead of control movements. It rarely requires more than a little pressure on the yoke to get the desired effect. Great video, thanks to both of you!
Still working on actual flight lessons, I did all lessons for both ground schools through Checkride prep, You don't need to white knuckle the yoke. I am a Private pilot Life time Member.
@@phillp7777 basically yes, that is a big part of it but essentially, a death grip on the yoke dosent do you any favors most of the time. Trim properly so you can use a finger and thumb (whether or not you use your whole hand lightly) and think in terms of adding pressures to the controls instead of movements. This should help in not over controlling and chasing the plane around. Example, during stall recoveries people are often afraid and grab the yoke very tightly. This causes their arm muscles to tense up and when they react they will shove the nose way down into a dive then yank back into a secondary stall. Because of the tight grip and even more so, the tight muscles and stiff arm they lose the ability to apply precise pressures. If they had a lighter touch on the controls and had instead just put a little forward pressure on the yoke the nose would have only gone down the little bit that was necessary to break the stall and everything would have been good and less scary.
I'm watching this video because I'm really excited to start flight training! I'm almost 13 years old, and my training begins this Friday in a Cherokee 140. Thank you for this great resource!
Thanks! I got his next flight. But I want another video (if he's up for it) with the same student. I could feel it was becoming a lot of work for him on the radio, power, and all the corrections needed. When simming, it's not life or death so I was very impressed. Awesome video. Make sure you send your student my thanks 😊
Thank you so much for this Keith! That means so much! I actually just got done doing some patterns with him today. I filmed it, but I need to see how the footage turned out. I plan on flying with him tomorrow and intend to fly again! I really appreciate your support! It means a lot!
I just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed and appreciated a large number of your videos. Your teaching style is fantastic and has really helped me out.
After a first look, I like how your precaution everything that the steps are not perfect and show corrections for radio calls. Lots of value for this new pilot as he'll remember things like changing the trim the first time, having someone believe in him for his practice radio calls, and proper landings techniques with crosswinds. So generous of you to insist that his first lesson is free Josh! I look forward to seeing more. :)
@@FreePilotTraining I think seeing your mistakes helps reduce performance anxiety for everyone watching who live with the fear of getting their license revoked or worse paranoia. This share harvests an atmosphere to be prosocial about failures to know better and do better together in a casual way. Mission accomplished for sure! :)
@@FreePilotTraining absolutely I wish I would have filmed my discovery flight so I could reflect on it but I didn’t but I also don’t have an action cam…
@@FreePilotTraining I’d also liked to seen my face on the second airport landing from the instructor. I feel like the expression would have been priceless
Hi Josh, a very different training experience as compared to my first lesson. I think I went on several rides before my first lesson, been a few decades. I do remember my lesson with the instructor I settled on, I trained at KMDW in a ‘72 Cherokee 180 G. My first lesson was in a ARSA at that time, today class C, so I was indoctrinated with clearance and delivery, ground, tower, approach and departure from day one. It was more than a couple hours before I handled any ATC calls. First lesson was an introduction to preflight, climbs, descents, and turns culminating in a few power off stalls while following on the controls for takeoff and landing. I don’t have the qualifications to judge teaching technique from a standards perspective, so all I can say something’s I saw raised concern and something’s made me wonder on how you briefed and prepped the student, especially based on his first landing being a crosswind with significant cross control input to execute the landing. My first landings were not crosswinds, so that got my attention. Enjoyed following the lesson.
Thanks! The 180 is a great plane! Yeah, I should’ve briefed him on crosswind stuff, we just didn’t have time. I think he did a good job with them though
@@FreePilotTraining regardless of the briefing, he performed well on the landing beyond what I would have expected. An overall observation is that you exposed him to a very inclusive experience of everything a pilot handles and experiences in an environment where he had a high level of trust from you in his ability to perform and execute. The flight went far beyond an experience demonstrating the four forces of flight in an initial lesson.
I wish there was CFIs around me with anything other than a 172. Or any CFIs closer than 1.5hr drive Love your videos, great intro as I study and shop for a CFI with some great information
Why did you have to roast his headset like that!! 😂😂 I’m just kidding. His headphones were the first things i noticed. I love your videos and think you’re a top notch cfi. Thank you for all that you do
Very nice uncut video. You mentioned sims. I play X-Plane and plan on starting training with a CFI this year (just for fun). Is there a sim game you prefer?
It's like a refresher course, Thanks for the video.I did a lot of those on my first flight as well like hitting the button without noticing it. But my power is full during take off. I just aggressively pull the yoke when I rotate.😅.Well done on the stall procedures. So jealous of this guy . Never tried to stop and go on my first time. We spent more time in the air.
Great job Josh. You just made his day. Looks like he will do well. I like how you were giving him directions as ATC would be. That is a great idea. Keep up the excellent work my friend. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
@@FreePilotTraining this video was very useful cause the number one thing that simmers do is to get lazy practicing the propper procedures and when doing it for real sometimes forget to do the right thing.
I hit the mic a few times first time out, I think we’ve all have done it. My first lesson went well too but it was downhill from there as the more I learned the more I had to think about. I struggled with taxing first few lessons, lack of rudder muscle memory.
Would mind explaining more around 29:45? A plane takes off and turn towards you? What did you do? Climb? Turn right? But your VSI says you're descending? I'm confused
As someone getting close to CFI checkride my style is similar being that I explain a lot...if anything I have started biting my tongue taking out friends for their first time...that dude was drinking from the firehouse but he can watch this over and over...we might explain too much but my first instructor thought I could read his mind
I try to brief as much as possible before we go fly, but some things just don’t make sense until you see them. The first few flights, I am very vocal. I like to slowly back off as they progress
Hi, Josh. Really cool video and I'm glad that you have the humbleness to admit when you, as a veteran pilot, that you still make mistakes. Thank you. Oh yes, my question ....😂 Is there a way to contact you directly as I have some questions in regards to somethings on your YT channel. Thank you again. Be safe and have a great day -- Matthew
I wish you were my CFI I own a Cherokee 140 and still a student my CFI is crazy he yells way too much!!! and it seems to shut my brain down when teaching in learning moment!!! I been looking for someone new with no luck I am base at KVGT
what is handle above on roof 38:40 ? is that trim ? what type low wing ✈ plane is that ? Piper cherokee ? I've never seen that thing..and I flew a cherokee 140 way back in 1980 .. trim wheel was on floor in middle both seats.. like in Warriors
The danger from using carb heat in the climb or take off is not so much the reduction in power from the change to the file/air mixture but it is the risk of detonation due to the increased intake air temperature which will may quickly damage the cylinders and engine to the point of failure Why is your aircraft so poorly rigged with the right control yoke appearing to be permanately twisted? It may be an old aircraft but no excuse for the controls to be so poorly set up.
I don’t disagree with you at all. Detonation is a big problem in the Cherokee, but I personally think that in older planes with weak engines the loss of performance is more dangerous. I have scared the p**p out of myself in the past because I forgot to turn carb heat off while looking at a patch of trees at the end of the runway. As far as the yoke is concerned, I think it’s an optical illusion with the camera and the crosswind. It may be a little off, but I haven’t noticed a big difference between the two yokes
Big Q.. u tell student in left seat " you got controls" 32:30 but you cfi keep touching moving lot lf stuff.. carb heat, throttle etc while student got both hands grabbing both sides of his yoke. AND you got both yur hands touching alot yur yoke at same time... so... (I know it must be rly hard teaching students and nervewracking.).. maybe scary.. but is this good or not or ok to both you touching controlling diff things ( controls) at same time ?? seems kinda dangerous..that if on final on landing student gets nervous and fights u opposite and thinks he's flying or yur flying.. both you get all screwed up... esp if this is going on for like hour prior while up training. What does FAR say about how to do this legally correctly as cfi teaching students ? good vids great new sub.. pls do more. Goodluck
What you don’t see in this video is the briefing we had right before this lesson. This is literally his first lesson, and the instructor needs to be a lot more involved in the controls in the beginning. He knows I’m on the controls, but that he is flying. We had a thorough briefing before the lesson
@@FreePilotTraining well guess u can do it way u want..Are u a CFI ? CFII ? idunno... I just never seen cfi rly do this.. it's like in this vid there's 4 hands all over yokes and controls at same time. imo don't think it's good or start off a new student training like this... sorry just imo but I've flown w like 4-5 diff cfis... never seen this b4. maybe bc yur kinda new as cfi ? idunno... not tryn pick on you.. yur channel work good lot info helps all pilots.
Student had good pt question 34:55 why u not call out yur turns up to that last landing..? Where r you? is that nontowered ap ? You forgot to call out base, final b4 that last landing ? ooh eee that is pretty dangerous ain't it? I know things r busy but I don't think any cfis I flew w did that maybe even once... but I guess it does not sound busy there.. maybe just you guys alone in that ap pattern. be careful... make all and more more callouts tell Everyone where what yur doing esp these days.
@@FreePilotTraining definitely! Not sure where you’re located but I’m always up for flying with new people/instructors. I seem to always learn something new flying with a different person
Not his first lesson, honestly I'm glad everyone's safe. Pulling up in a 30° bank isn't how to avoid sinking, and creating more drag isn't your biggest problem with increasing your angle of attack. There is a lot wrong with this video.
I’ve been a CFI almost 40 years and our styles are very similar. I even picked up a couple of things myself that I plan to change. One thing that I have found helpful when they are over controlling on final is to remind them to relax their grip on the controls and think pressures instead of control movements. It rarely requires more than a little pressure on the yoke to get the desired effect. Great video, thanks to both of you!
That’s super cool. That’s a great idea! I’m gonna use that. Thank you so much!
Still working on actual flight lessons, I did all lessons for both ground schools through Checkride prep, You don't need to white knuckle the yoke. I am a Private pilot Life time Member.
george....so yur rly takkn bout "trim" right? if get plane trimmed good on final appr should be pretty easy relaxed
@@phillp7777 basically yes, that is a big part of it but essentially, a death grip on the yoke dosent do you any favors most of the time. Trim properly so you can use a finger and thumb (whether or not you use your whole hand lightly) and think in terms of adding pressures to the controls instead of movements. This should help in not over controlling and chasing the plane around. Example, during stall recoveries people are often afraid and grab the yoke very tightly. This causes their arm muscles to tense up and when they react they will shove the nose way down into a dive then yank back into a secondary stall. Because of the tight grip and even more so, the tight muscles and stiff arm they lose the ability to apply precise pressures. If they had a lighter touch on the controls and had instead just put a little forward pressure on the yoke the nose would have only gone down the little bit that was necessary to break the stall and everything would have been good and less scary.
This guy is a natural , doesn’t look like a first lesson at all
He’s been in a plane, but never had an actual lesson
I'm watching this video because I'm really excited to start flight training! I'm almost 13 years old, and my training begins this Friday in a Cherokee 140. Thank you for this great resource!
No problem!
@@FreePilotTraining I had my flight, it was so much fun! I will be continuing in my aviation journey.
Hagen is doing so much better than I did on my first lesson. Learning a lot/helps as a refresher! Thanks for the video.
Everyone learns at a different pace! Thanks!
Thanks! I got his next flight. But I want another video (if he's up for it) with the same student. I could feel it was becoming a lot of work for him on the radio, power, and all the corrections needed. When simming, it's not life or death so I was very impressed. Awesome video. Make sure you send your student my thanks 😊
Thank you so much for this Keith! That means so much! I actually just got done doing some patterns with him today. I filmed it, but I need to see how the footage turned out. I plan on flying with him tomorrow and intend to fly again! I really appreciate your support! It means a lot!
We filmed some pattern work today. We will definitely plan on filming tomorrow for the next full lesson!
It's more intense watching a CFI with someone new. Love it. Keep'em goin'
@@keithryant5779 that’s great to know! I was wondering how these would do
This was good to watch as a student pre solo going through a learning plateau. It’s interesting to see how far I’ve came along
Same, I remember how nervous I was on my first landing. Feels like forever ago but its was only so many hours ago.
It’s amazing how fast we learn
Great! I hope you found this valuable
I just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed and appreciated a large number of your videos. Your teaching style is fantastic and has really helped me out.
You’re welcome! And THANK YOU for the Super Thanks!
Great first flight. Student doing great.
He is!
After a first look, I like how your precaution everything that the steps are not perfect and show corrections for radio calls. Lots of value for this new pilot as he'll remember things like changing the trim the first time, having someone believe in him for his practice radio calls, and proper landings techniques with crosswinds. So generous of you to insist that his first lesson is free Josh! I look forward to seeing more. :)
Thank you so much! It’s embarrassing to show my mistakes, but if others can learn from them, my job is accomplished
@@FreePilotTraining I think seeing your mistakes helps reduce performance anxiety for everyone watching who live with the fear of getting their license revoked or worse paranoia. This share harvests an atmosphere to be prosocial about failures to know better and do better together in a casual way. Mission accomplished for sure! :)
That was really nice of you to surprise him with a free lesson.
Thanks! He deserved it
Hang in there. Your CFI skills will mature. everyone has to start somewhere.
Thanks!
Great job on both parts! Really appreciate the video, and thank you for investing in Brother Adams.
Thank you! He’s worth it
This is a really cool video! I'm going to have to watch it again and pay a little better attention.
Thank you so much. I was wondering if folks would enjoy seeing a real training video
@@FreePilotTraining absolutely I wish I would have filmed my discovery flight so I could reflect on it but I didn’t but I also don’t have an action cam…
@@justplanefred it actually helps me see where I could improve too. It’s a great tool
@@FreePilotTraining I’d also liked to seen my face on the second airport landing from the instructor. I feel like the expression would have been priceless
@@justplanefred 😆 that’s why I wear sunglasses
This was An Awesome Video Thank You and remember a few hours in the Cherokee and Love the old look inside the 172
They’re great planes!
Hi Josh, a very different training experience as compared to my first lesson. I think I went on several rides before my first lesson, been a few decades. I do remember my lesson with the instructor I settled on, I trained at KMDW in a ‘72 Cherokee 180 G. My first lesson was in a ARSA at that time, today class C, so I was indoctrinated with clearance and delivery, ground, tower, approach and departure from day one. It was more than a couple hours before I handled any ATC calls. First lesson was an introduction to preflight, climbs, descents, and turns culminating in a few power off stalls while following on the controls for takeoff and landing. I don’t have the qualifications to judge teaching technique from a standards perspective, so all I can say something’s I saw raised concern and something’s made me wonder on how you briefed and prepped the student, especially based on his first landing being a crosswind with significant cross control input to execute the landing. My first landings were not crosswinds, so that got my attention. Enjoyed following the lesson.
Thanks! The 180 is a great plane! Yeah, I should’ve briefed him on crosswind stuff, we just didn’t have time. I think he did a good job with them though
@@FreePilotTraining regardless of the briefing, he performed well on the landing beyond what I would have expected. An overall observation is that you exposed him to a very inclusive experience of everything a pilot handles and experiences in an environment where he had a high level of trust from you in his ability to perform and execute. The flight went far beyond an experience demonstrating the four forces of flight in an initial lesson.
@@jcmcclain57 yes he did
I wish there was CFIs around me with anything other than a 172. Or any CFIs closer than 1.5hr drive
Love your videos, great intro as I study and shop for a CFI with some great information
Thanks Chad! I love the Cherokees and 172s
ATC should have info on radar of your position and altitude.
Not necessarily. If you aren’t using flight following, they’re not going to be watching out for you
Why did you have to roast his headset like that!! 😂😂 I’m just kidding. His headphones were the first things i noticed. I love your videos and think you’re a top notch cfi. Thank you for all that you do
Lol, this was a borrowed headset. Thanks! I appreciate that!
Very nice uncut video. You mentioned sims. I play X-Plane and plan on starting training with a CFI this year (just for fun). Is there a sim game you prefer?
I bought MSFS a few months ago, but I have got to mess with it a lot yet
It's like a refresher course, Thanks for the video.I did a lot of those on my first flight as well like hitting the button without noticing it. But my power is full during take off. I just aggressively pull the yoke when I rotate.😅.Well done on the stall procedures. So jealous of this guy . Never tried to stop and go on my first time. We spent more time in the air.
You’re welcome! Wish I could do it for everyone. Hopefully I can do stuff like this more and more!
I love that plane.
Me too!
Great job Josh. You just made his day. Looks like he will do well. I like how you were giving him directions as ATC would be. That is a great idea. Keep up the excellent work my friend. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
Thanks Kevin!
LOL id be nervious with a C 130 pilot but these lessons and advice are sooo helpfull even if I am just a simmer now.
No reason to be nervous! Thanks for the comment. I was hoping people would find these useful
@@FreePilotTraining this video was very useful cause the number one thing that simmers do is to get lazy practicing the propper procedures and when doing it for real sometimes forget to do the right thing.
@@FreePilotTraining since that was his first flight would have been cool to have a c130 fly over head and launch the flares lol
I hit the mic a few times first time out, I think we’ve all have done it.
My first lesson went well too but it was downhill from there as the more I learned the more I had to think about. I struggled with taxing first few lessons, lack of rudder muscle memory.
Yeah, I feel like most students get worse the first couple lessons and then get better
Would mind explaining more around 29:45? A plane takes off and turn towards you? What did you do? Climb? Turn right? But your VSI says you're descending? I'm confused
Yeah, so I could tell he was slightly above us and climbing, so the best option was to descend as quickly as possible to get further below him.
Lucky man.
Thank you!
"Ohhhh, what a lucky man,...he was" - Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
@@FreePilotTraining best to take up a Newbie in a Piper product to practice stalls and not a 172 lol
@@mikecoffee100 Pipistrel Explorer was built for stall stability and recovery.
That is a good simulation😊
Lol thanks!
I'm so Jelly that he's getting real XP with an awesome CFI
Thanks Keith! I hope to help lots more people out like this!
As someone getting close to CFI checkride my style is similar being that I explain a lot...if anything I have started biting my tongue taking out friends for their first time...that dude was drinking from the firehouse but he can watch this over and over...we might explain too much but my first instructor thought I could read his mind
I try to brief as much as possible before we go fly, but some things just don’t make sense until you see them. The first few flights, I am very vocal. I like to slowly back off as they progress
Hi, Josh. Really cool video and I'm glad that you have the humbleness to admit when you, as a veteran pilot, that you still make mistakes.
Thank you.
Oh yes, my question ....😂
Is there a way to contact you directly as I have some questions in regards to somethings on your YT channel.
Thank you again.
Be safe and have a great day
-- Matthew
Thanks! I appreciate that! Either PM me on Facebook or email me at freepilottraining1@gmail.com. I’d love to give you more info
Aw the memories of my first flight, he did way better than me, 😅😊
He did awesome. I’m interested to watch him progress
I wish you were my CFI I own a Cherokee 140 and still a student my CFI is crazy he yells way too much!!! and it seems to shut my brain down when teaching in learning moment!!! I been looking for someone new with no luck I am base at KVGT
I wish I could help you out. I don’t like instructors that teach like that.
I felt nervous just watching.
😆
Iraqveteran8888 taking flying lessons?!!
what is handle above on roof 38:40 ? is that trim ?
what type low wing ✈ plane is that ? Piper cherokee ? I've never seen that thing..and I flew a cherokee 140 way back in 1980 .. trim wheel was on floor in middle both seats.. like in Warriors
Yep. It’s the trim on the ceiling
The danger from using carb heat in the climb or take off is not so much the reduction in power from the change to the file/air mixture but it is the risk of detonation due to the increased intake air temperature which will may quickly damage the cylinders and engine to the point of failure
Why is your aircraft so poorly rigged with the right control yoke appearing to be permanately twisted? It may be an old aircraft but no excuse for the controls to be so poorly set up.
I don’t disagree with you at all. Detonation is a big problem in the Cherokee, but I personally think that in older planes with weak engines the loss of performance is more dangerous. I have scared the p**p out of myself in the past because I forgot to turn carb heat off while looking at a patch of trees at the end of the runway. As far as the yoke is concerned, I think it’s an optical illusion with the camera and the crosswind. It may be a little off, but I haven’t noticed a big difference between the two yokes
How to recover from any Stall?
Max, Relax, Roll. ruclips.net/video/DVK7v2PztDM/видео.html
Big Q.. u tell student in left seat " you got controls" 32:30 but you cfi keep touching moving lot lf stuff.. carb heat, throttle etc while student got both hands grabbing both sides of his yoke.
AND you got both yur hands touching alot yur yoke at same time... so... (I know it must be rly hard teaching students and nervewracking.).. maybe scary.. but is this good or not or ok to both you touching controlling diff things ( controls) at same time ??
seems kinda dangerous..that if on final on landing student gets nervous and fights u opposite and thinks he's flying or yur flying.. both you get all screwed up... esp if this is going on for like hour prior while up training.
What does FAR say about how to do this legally correctly as cfi teaching students ?
good vids great new sub.. pls do more.
Goodluck
What you don’t see in this video is the briefing we had right before this lesson. This is literally his first lesson, and the instructor needs to be a lot more involved in the controls in the beginning. He knows I’m on the controls, but that he is flying. We had a thorough briefing before the lesson
@@FreePilotTraining well guess u can do it way u want..Are u a CFI ? CFII ?
idunno... I just never seen cfi rly do this.. it's like in this vid there's 4 hands all over yokes and controls at same time.
imo don't think it's good or start off a new student training like this... sorry just imo but I've flown w like 4-5 diff cfis... never seen this b4.
maybe bc yur kinda new as cfi ?
idunno... not tryn pick on you.. yur channel work good lot info helps all pilots.
If i were flying i would not go without audible stall warning. No time to look at a light when dealing with a landing.
You’d be surprised how noticeable that light is
35:05 is why you're awesome
I appreciate that. It’s embarrassing, but everyone makes mistakes. I think we should own up to them
Student had good pt question 34:55 why u not call out yur turns up to that last landing..?
Where r you? is that nontowered ap ? You forgot to call out base, final b4 that last landing ? ooh eee
that is pretty dangerous ain't it? I know things r busy but I don't think any cfis I flew w did that maybe even once...
but I guess it does not sound busy there.. maybe just you guys alone in that ap pattern.
be careful... make all and more more callouts tell Everyone where what yur doing esp these days.
Downwind, base and final are the only required calls. As mentioned in the video, I think I forgot one of the calls here
Can I fly with you?
Pm me on Facebook. We can try to work out a time next time I’m around
@@FreePilotTraining definitely! Not sure where you’re located but I’m always up for flying with new people/instructors. I seem to always learn something new flying with a different person
Not his first lesson, honestly I'm glad everyone's safe. Pulling up in a 30° bank isn't how to avoid sinking, and creating more drag isn't your biggest problem with increasing your angle of attack. There is a lot wrong with this video.
I increased power to reduce the sink rate
@@FreePilotTraininggood bit this didn't turn into a spin.
definitely not his first lesson, and not the first time ive been clickbaited either
@@AJpro88 I’ve seen even better on the first flight. Had a guy land the plane without help. He was a big simmer.
@@FreePilotTraining crazy world we live in