My Response to Gacha Smack on Ruan Mei
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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Ruan Mei CN Pre-Release Analysis: • Better Than Bronya? | ...
Gacha Smack's Initial Response: • I Got Called Out By Mr...
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00:00 Intro
01:13 Start of React
03:36 Pokke Thinks Ruan Mei is niche
04:35 Lose the Sunglasses
05:43 Running Bronya with Ruan Mei
07:48 Pokke's Spending Status
09:08 Duo DPS Competitiveness P1
10:59 Smack Thinks Duo DPS is Competitive BEFORE Ruan Mei
11:40 Meaning of "Competitive"
13:43 Is Jingliu Blade a Thing
14:19 Smack on Ruan Mei's Impact
15:36 Smack on Bronya vs Tingyun
16:38 Theorycrafting VS Reality
19:23 Smack Analyze my 3 Man MOC10 0 Cycle
26:42 Why this is a bad example
29:31 Silverwolf?
29:40 Wild Tectone Appears
30:06 Bronya is more Niche
32:02 Ruan Mei as a Sustain?
32:50 How Smack cleared previous MOC10 with Welt
33:38 Opinion on Triple Support 0 Cycles
34:32 Can Ruan Mei REPLACE Sustain ENTIRELY?
35:19 My Challenge to Gacha Smack
35:51 Is Ruan Mei Overhyped?
36:46 Outro and Summary
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So much drama... omg. These 2 CC's are so problematic
1 hour vid incoming
2 hour vid incoming
:cranktone:
TRULY A CRANKTONE MOMENT
I love tectone, messy drama loving queen 🤣😂
Turn-based debate 😂😂
Real
Too real lmao
Lol
We thought in 2023 we would have flying cars and we have Turn-based debate in a Gacha game.😂🤣
Indeed 😅
RUclipsrs be posting 3 Ruan Mei videos a day 😭
It's so saturated I swear 😂 and majority of them are so copy and paste it feels like AI are making them.
Farming content to its best
@@scaredb646waiting for gacha smack to respond to this video like ouroboros
Istg
Its christmas
Bro, the turn around times for these vids are insane, Smack and Pokke absolutely killing it right now
Time for a Live Chat video now!!
this is far better than sore loser metaslave vs tectone yesterday
They need to just have livestream chat right now.
@@Dendyaryadi who when why what did i miss
Surely content creators would never intentionally create drama for impressions.
Both Mr. Pokke and Gacha Smack are so mature in handling this respectable debate. Hands down these guys are god tier.
God tier for acting like normal people is crazy, really shows how low the bar is on the internet
@@gigyroI mean I'm jsut glad the standard is coming back😅
We genuinely understand that there is no drama, don’t worry.
Genuinely love you both so much, I cannot get over how much I appreciate y’all’s maturity throughout this all and not just turning this into a massive drama for views, I love hearing y’all talk about stuff you’re passionate about in such a civil and informative manner, insane amounts of respect for the both of you, and I wish nothing but the best for both you and smack, genuinely goated content creators, thank you for doing what you do
I mean, they are absolutely milking the fuck out of this, but you can't blame them lol. They both have things to say, are having good fun with the situation and get paid at the end + it's fun to watch so win-win.
You can milk something without it being bad basically
@corruptedcub4718 two videos of them responding to each other is "absolutely milking the fuck out of this"?
@@corruptedcub4718 in what world is 2 videos one from gacha smack and one response from Mr pokke "milking the fuck out of it"
Can’t wait till Tectone reacts to this and makes the video an hour and half long lol.
But jokes aside you both have fair points about Mei about her strengths and weaknesses. But all of this is on paper and in theory, till she comes out and we put her in the battle then we can see if see how strong she really is.
Why? You literally just watched a reaction to a reaction from both sides of the actual partakers of the discussion. What is Tectone even going to add? Everything has been addressed.
I can’t blame him for this but Tectone is known for farming Mihoyo drama for reaction content for clicks.
Even though tectone has said he doesn’t care about meta he will still shove himself in meta discussions to be relevant
Said the same thing on Gacha Smacks video so here we go.
Once the unit is out I would like to see you both state your case for each unit's E0S0 (for relatable reasons)
Math and then MoC12
Would make for some great content. The winner would be the community but it would be interesting to see how each of you value the harmony supports in various comps.
I agree!
so true i support this we all win at the end of the day
Theres no need tbh, it'll be plainly obvious ruanmei is better
@haruyanto8085 your comment is why it's needed. There is no 1 way to build a team. There are many, each MoC is different and we have new end game challenges very soon. As you get more characters you're going to want to make changes just to keep it fresh. It's also a good opportunity to get weird with game mechanics. How much can you break the mould? Etc.
Ruan Mei will undoubtedly be better... Because the MoC blessing will cater to her. I'd like to see this comparison on the next MoC12, but that will be a month later and everyone will have forgotten about this by then.
Now we need a video of him responding to your response about his response to your video
80 minute video? I'll watch it!
Responseception
But as long as they have respect for each other and share their thoughts in a mature way, which I believe they will, I'm all for it.
Ah yes, the tectone and gooseegg situation
Feels good when CCs can express their opinions on the meta and agree to disagree on meta takes like real humans without acting like 3 year olds
Gacha Smack is lowkey an Arlan connoisseur i can't wait to see if he tries the triple DPS with Ruan Mei
Arlan stonks
FINALLY SOME DRAMA
Not agreeing with someone is apparently drama now
THERE IS NO DRAMA, THERE IS NO DRAMA, THERE IS NO DRAMA
@@ErasMcraspokke is going to box gacha smack
I'm honestly glad that this is a healthy and mature way to handle this entire situation with my favorite content creators that I respect a lot, not only for the reliable and on point content, as well as the same mindset when it comes to handling debates and all. Pog moment for this community for having these two guys out there for us.
Let’s goooo!! My boys in a Pokémon battle right now. I love this.
Hi Pokke!🍿
I love everyone’s excitement. This is exactly what the community needs!!
Same!
Yeah! Make it respectful and drama free
Merry Christmas! Happy to hear a spirited comparison of opinions- I’m pulling for her regardless, and I’m looking forward to testing her out myself.
Tectone at this point could do a 2 hour video seeing this marathon discussion
The difference between a hypeman and a cautious man is all thats happening here
See I love you both so much. I love this kind of back and forth. Healthy ass debating
Merry Christmas MrPokke! Very fun to learn how both of you have different definitions of how a team can be competitive. All around healthy discussion, happy holidays! :D
So I watched both your videos - have to say my overwhelming impression is that you two can be really good friends :D So much good humor between you two!
The turnaround time on the response is crazy. Let's go!
Bro i love these guys . I respect both of them . They are so funny . Thx guys for bringing such a content
You could have put the title as "My response to Gacha Smack's response on my take about their take on Ruan Mei" and make it really meta lol
I love you both but I am leaning more towards Smack as far as how good Ruan Mei will be. I can't wait to see who turns out right. I think it may end up in the middle.
So you have 2 opinions, let's go!
I agree. Especially if you have Ruan Mei built properly for a 3T ult, and her weakness break efficiency buff could enable to not even use a sustain entirely
@@garretttank1711exactly, she’s basically the best in slot for a no sustain team
Then there’s the 100% uptime buff, with speed, break dmg, respen, and the fact that she’s sp positive
their positions are actually not that different
Same. Mr Pokke says double DPS isn't a thing yet meanwhile i have been double and triple teams since beginning of the game. Lol. Anyone who has Welt or Blade knows this.
I literally just finished watching smack's video and here is another follow up vid lmao
About "theorycrafting vs reality", I absolutely agree with u MrPokke. I know we don't need a genius to tell us that Dual Damage Dealers set-up with RM will be meta in version 1.6 or above, but even so it's still a _theory_ . Personally I prefer having lower expectations than overhype it only to find out that their performances is lower than your initial thought.
It's not a theory, we already tested it in beta
@@haruyanto8085 if u mean testing from media server, then no that alone isn't enough. Not only very few have access to it, infomations from them are still STC right before official releases. Furthermore Day1 impression can be very different with Day7 due to more testing & information gathering.
I don't mind being proven wrong, but again IMO it's better to have low expectation but later being surprised that she outperforms, rather than overhype her only to find out that she underperforms.
This is coming from player who think RM is "better" than Bronya (still don't have Bronya till this day) and will be a Day1 RM haver.
CN already has this game’s combat system fully simulated in a web browser. Ruan Mei is better than Bronya in almost all situations and brings underperforming units like Topaz + Jing Yuan teams and Kafka teams more in line with Jingliu and DHIL.
The old meta revolving around Bronya is dead in 1.6, anyone saying otherwise is coping.
Jingliu’s best team actually has no Bronya in 1.6 and it’s Blade, Ruan Mei and Huohuo
@@sleepicatnah, you really downplaying Bronya like that. Shame
I followed the leaks from the dedicaced subreddit closly, but I have seen no evidence that Ruan Mei is better than Bronya, at least not since her nerf. Like you said Jingliu best team is with Blade, Ruan Mei and Huohuo, but have seen any evidence, theorycraft or video that support this claim ? Personnally I havn't seen a single team damage calculation since her nerf. I would love a comparison with Jingliu/Bronya/Ruan Mei/Huohuo.
Brother Brother i knew you're gonna get that shit up the moment it went up in GS channel, respect to both of you though for keeping it civil 🙏
I'm waiting for the response to the response to the response
big fan and supporter of yours, I like your approach. not a fan of most other content because I want to focus on other things like getting gains in the gym but im sure people like that content and that has important value 💪🏽
Love your vibe so much mr Pokke, very respectful and chill. Keep it up king!
“I don’t think jingyuan and topaz+support+sustain can 0 cycle”
“I legitimately don’t think they can, not even with e1 and s1”
“Even with jingyuan himself in a hypercarry setup it’s still not super easy”
What?
Every character can 0 cycle, jingyuan can definitely 0 cycle there’s already countless videos of him 0 cycling in a *noweakness* fight *with a sustain* , and now we’re talking about a topaz+jingyuan team, which should be just much much easier
Is pokke trolling or is he being serious right now, because if he is being serious (because I’m not seeing any sarcasm), he’s either ridiculously biased , just hate the jingyuan community or is just being dumb right now
He’s not assuming every jingyuan would suck just because his doesn’t do any damage does he
the issue here is Pokke is referring to 0 cycle/competitive as an "easy" time in clearing.. pokke once he experiences a little difficulty in clearing 0 cycle thinks it is NOT COMPETITIVE lols.. braindead asf.. but THAT's just my OPINION.. no drama.. lols..
By curiosity, do you have a link of a 0-cycle second phase like True Sting with Jingyuan ?
@@jeandupont2360
Now you’re kidding me lmao
Nobody even mentioned true sting
Having 2 phase is one thing
But there’s absolutely 0 lightning weakness in true sting phase
If there’s no ice / quantum weakness in the true sting phase, not even jingliu / seele can 0 cycle it
Its not a jingyuan thing when there’s quite literally tons of disadvantage
Don’t push it bro
Why don’t you find me an e0 Imbibitor lunae 0 cycling true sting *with a sustain* and only 2 support
hes a jing yuan hater from the begining, jy mains have already laughed at him and ignored him in order not to give him more attention and view. The amount of JY 0 cycle videos with many disadvantages is enormous out there and he still be like this. Mrpokke is not a theorycrafter, hes just a CN video translator, try to take his words with a grain of salt
@@10.conghung29 wow.. sheesh.. haha
I still think there are too many variables to consider to make a general statement. If we bring Ruan Mei in a team against for example Swarm boss, can we ensure that we can break toughness consistently to "sustain"? To replace hypercarry team comps with Ruan Mei fulfilling hyper support and most importantly sustain roles is very hard to determine whether it will work overall, because it all boils down to the enemies we are facing and the amount of them. you can have 3 enemies all with different weaknesses and maybe this can be overcome with multi DPS with corresponding weakness types. However, it is difficult to determine anything rn.
Even if she's not able to solo sustain every fight, she is definitely making your preservation/abundance character's job easier. This is especially important to those who don't have a 5* sustain. It's not only the delay but also the fact that you break the enemy faster, potentially before they can charge up their nuke. You have to match weaknesses to get full benefit from her kit but you should be doing that anyway to maximize dps. I think there will be situations where she's just good and others that she will completely trivialize by solo sustaining. And if you trivialize one side of MoC that means more time for the other side.
Yeah
My point exactly. That's why we have a situation where in some cases, I agree with Pokke while in other cases, I agree with Pokke.
@@smexxxxy For the time being sustain shouldn't be a problem, but maybe MoC 12 reintroduces the importance of sustain? We'll never know until then. For example the new blue Swarm that does the nuke
I didn’t know we’d get a collaborating collaboration event! Great video
I adore you both and even tho I dont evne care for meta I do keep up with both of your contents, coz i find it interesting and entertaining and these are the types of videos that I love to listen to while playing HSR. Informative, entertaining, constructive. Also a MASSIVE W, that I dont have to fear commenting below their videos - coz no 4yo ar gonna have a meltdown , coz they actually have a pretty mature community.
The thing is, ruan nei might not replace bronya, but a little sparkle in my eyes is telling me who might do it.
Her kit was changed, cause during beta test we realised action delay was more valuable than action forward, action forward is antisynergistic with ruan mei's kit
In a mono quantum team? Sure, but outside of mono quantum teams it's Ruan Mei>Bronya=Tingyun>Sparkle
I love these two content creators. Mad reapect to both!
u know a character is darn good if 2 great theorycrafters-content creator are debating over her. all the best of luck for all of us pulling her!
Can't wait for this "Drama" to start up again when Sparkle joins the express 😂😂
i love pokke and smack basically collabing to make content
i gotta ask since im new. is pokke means the legendary village in monster hunter?! :0
:D Saw the smack video, so I watched the Pokke one then Smack. NOW I SEE THIS :D God damn that video response time. Very cool. Love the discussion c:
Amazing for there to be a discussion to be had proving that this unit is interesting and worth having a conversation over
39:00 I think the number of retries you need to do a no sustain clear does depend on relic investment and sort of min maxing relics in a way where you make your units beefy while still having the substats they need to do the dmg needed. Lowkey, relics that have a mix of good defensive substats and core substats might be better for such teams than just relics with pure core substat roles, so long as you have enough to still do the dmg you need. The amount of rng needed goes down with how much bulk your units are able to get away with.
With that said, with how easy they have made it to reset runs these days, I would heavily argue that needing to reset even 5 or 6 times really isn't a big deal anymore. It's not like how it was back in the day where resets took forever. It's actually a part of why I value SW a fair bit more than Pela now. Needing to reset to get good manip rng is no longer a bother for me with the QoL updates. It's something only SW can do, where as with Pela I can easily replace her with another support and still get the 0 cycle clear in my experience.
Honestly, I tend use SW and Pela interchangeably when I'm just using them mostly for generic debuffs these days. My SW is E1 and has SS relics (I feel that SW scales better with SS relics far better than Pela), so I have no trouble 0 cycling with her in place of Pela and vice versa. But, Pela can't replace what SW does for setups that are banking on the correct ele manip from SW which is still very relevant for me despite me have 20ish fully built characters.
SW being a limited character too, makes things like E1 or maybe one day E2, have a far greater ceiling. After Pela gets to E6, that's it, that's her potential. SW as she is on more and more reruns, can feasibly climb higher and higher. I feel that all SW needs to be better than E6 Pela more often than not, is just E1. Being able to get back to back Ults helps her generic debuff uptime enough where I really don't feel a significant difference between the two even when ignoring SW's ele manip. But, seeing as SW does have the ele manip, I'm at ultra end game and I'm still making great use of it which makes SW far more valuable to me than Pela as an end game player who does speed clears, but I'll wait for you to make that video to go on about this.
ive actually done dual dps 0 cycle before with jingliu and blade (pela and ty as support) idk if it counts as competitive, but with rm i cant wait to see my dual dps lineup shine even brighter
Love this! Watching these two vids made my video
Absolutely love this kind of discussion
Make up kiss is the key
Two bros, kissing on the cheek, cus it's not gay.
The other cheeks tho
I love it when you said theorycrafting is just theorycrafting. And there's so many variables affecting in actual practice. That's very important to point out. Being so sure about a theory counters the point of it being a theory. That's why we have so many players immediately claims a character to be cracked then a minute later call them trash. Theory can only help you up to certain extent. Taking up the practice as a player is always going to be a different scenario.
This is honestly the best point and what made me dislike Smack's video. He is so sure with no proof.
@@ariamachiexcept we fully know what bronya is capable of and also there's beta tests... we already tested ruan mei vs bronya in the beta and ruan mei was better lol
except theorycrafting involves calculations and numbers? "taking up practice" is not meta, and meta involves the math.
@@kokocute123 Nobody argues with that. I didn't say that theorycrafting is useless, I said that it can only help you at certain extent. Don't get me wrong, I believe in meta and I follow meta. I also believe that some characters are just generally better than the others. But you can only theorize general assumptions because there's lots of variables involved in this game such as RNG, stats, equipments, characters you own, the enemies involved etc. And you can't account all of them for each and every player out there.
That's why some characters might shine in some scenarios, and some don't. Also, your character is not going to be the same for everyone. Your Seele might be sht but other's Seele might be cracked. Seele's tier is just a general assumption done by theorycrafters based on face value. It's not a representation of how good your Seele is in an actual battle. And don't tell me that investing in "powercrept" characters is inefficient in resources. You can spend 40 TBP and luckily get a cracked gear or you can spend an entire year farming and not getting one. That sht is RNG.
About the Ruan Mei vs Bronya thing, I genuinely believe that Ruan Mei is going to be better than Bronya in general scenarios. But the thing that Smack insinuates is that Bronya will lose her value just because Ruan Mei is going to be better. Even extends his disputable point by saying that Tingyun is better than Bronya. But I think it's just him trying to win an argument. But how do you take him seriously as a "theorycrafter" if he just casually say stuff like that just to convince everyone that Bronya is bad. That's severe coping.
Just wanted to say tysm for the time stamps. 😊
Im definitely waiting for the "podcast" when ruanmei is released more power you guys!! Hi mr.Pokki ( mr.toguro when wearing shades😂 )
Yes, a post-Ruan Mei podcast episode on either Tectone's Gacha Cast or Rehoo's Pity System Podcast. 😅
I love these type of vids
I love the community with these streamers, teccy included. I love all the insights, and debate. To be able to handle this stuff without drama is great. We share what we love. I cant wait for another community streamer podcast. I wanna know their thoughts on current state of the game, mechanics that could be added, and what they're looking loking forward to. Ya'll are great and please keep it up. And yes, dual dps is competitive right now.
Here we go! The reaction to a reaction's reaction!! oh! Reactionception! I wanna see the reaction to this reaction after too! Then the one after that.
Very refreshing to see this kind of interaction in the community after everything we have seen in the other game (you know... The one which gave us 5 primo gems and a free 4 star for an anniversary)
Mr.Pokke talks at 2x speed
You seemed to have so much fun with this. Thanks, man.
YESSIRRRR
Are u gonna make an exe. about this?
This is genuinely a very healthy Theorycrafting community. Lessons for the Genshin fandom to learn from.
Feels good tbh.
"Well actually the quadratic formula..." Every theory crafters of Genshin.
Tc community in genshin is pretty fine actually. They just don't like tectone lol
@@odnt5529 just don't mention Xiangling, she's very divisive these days
Genshin fandom could never
I love this
Both of you actually have a good take, the only doubt I have while watching this discussion is the fact that Ruan Mei can solo sustain. Sure she can "on some cases" but it might be inconsistent especially now that the new end game will be MoC 12. With MoC 12, we can at least expect higher speed from enemies which may also mean faster break recovery, but as you said, we can't possibly disclose anything as an actual fact until we see it for ourselves this version 1.6 so until then, what we can only do is theorize and discuss/debate. Again a really good take and a really good video.
should i pick Welt from the standard banner since i will be pulling for ruan mei (and i have Welt's signature lc S1) or pick bronya's E1 (i also have her signature lc S1)
Merry Christmas!
Im back here Pokke. it's been a month.
So Gacha was right. Ruan Mei is better than Bronya.
Good video! Happy Holidays!
Solid response. I think the discussion alone makes Ruan Mei the most interesting unit we've gotten since SW if nothing else lol.
Man, I miss this respnds video. old youtube did this before. huhuh
wholesome, love both of you.
7:50 I do have to disagree slightly here. Blade + Jingliu is able to go for some 0/1 cycles and clear MoC very comfortably. While I do prefer Jingliu hypercarry builds myself, I've seen too many people do MoC with Blade + Jingliu with ease to agree with you that this is not a valid competitive duo DPS comp. OKCode uses this team a lot if you want a lot of footage from it from someone who generally builds their characters well and such. Just because it isn't Jingliu's strongest setup, doesn't mean it's not good enough as a duo team to cross the threshold of being competitive, in my opinion, despite me myself not using it. Then again, I do a lot of duo DPS comps, but I do drop the sustain when I do so, but I'm very much so an end game player with 100's of +15 relics and 20ish fully built characters with most of their traces filled out, so I'm not the typical player by any means.
MOC 10? Lol have you looked at the weaknesses this cycle? Or you just talking randomly? Past two MOC 10s it’s not possible to even 3 cycle with that comp
@@fridaynight5996you can just search for yourself
@@fridaynight5996 OkCode did the last True King in 1.5.x MoC 10B in 3 cycles with it I believe first try, i.e. not fully optimized. But, I was speaking more so in a general sense as a Duo DPS setup is going to want the stage to be mostly weak to both DPS used to see it be excellent, as one of the benefits of a Duo setup is being able to break far faster which wouldn't come into play if both didn't match the enemy weaknesses. E.g. sort of like how Mr.Pokke says how he can't really test Topaz + Himeko due to a lack of a suitable stage. With that said, Topaz + Jing Yuan was able to 0 cycle MoC 10 A on the MoC of Topaz's release with a sustain so long as investment was great enough in the comp. But, that's more of a side note. Things like enemy element and even the imprint buff does play a factor to certain comps being able to do 0/1 cycles or not, for sure. I agree there.
For me, when I use duo DPS comps for 0/1 cycles, I'm generally matching the enemy weaknesses with the duo DPS as to break fast so I can drop the sustain and run double support. Like, that's a part of what makes them competitive for my own clears, because they make it easier to drop the sustain, even now without Ruan Mei.
I aint reasing all that but isnt code a whale? @valkyrieregalia
@@Divine-General-Mahoraga His blade + jingliu team isn't duped out, but he does have some very solid relics. But, eventually, even if you are F2P, you'll one day get good relics. But, I get it, relic farming sucks, but it's something all players have to suffer through eventually.
I think it really comes down to how you describe competitive in hsr
I cant wait to see gachasmack react to this reaction of his reaction of the original video.
This is great shit. Big love to you both. This kind of discourse is great. Yall should do a formal debate on this. Have Tectone host. Would be great. Lol
Love the example you both set by respectfully disagreeing with each other while also not devolving into mean spirited insults or getting into your feelings. Respect.
I also think that there are very odd character specific antisynergies that Ruan Mei introduces to existing dual dps comps that really only DoT doesn't suffer from. Himeko Topaz, for example, likes break efficiency. What they don't like is the extension of the break state. This cuts into Himeko's talent uptime and cuts her damage, especially with Jing Yuan lc. It's even worse for Clara Topaz. I would argue break in general is a bad thing for a fast Clara clear as it reduces the enemy attack frequency. Adding on the potential for ice break on top of that reintroduces the March antisynergy with freeze. I'm personally not a huge believer in Ruan Mei dual dps being better than hypercarry not because of her, but because of these annoying problems she introduces.
I mean… with her buffs, there’s no need to break enemies to activate himeko’s talent one more time. You’re getting more damage out of them on broken state anyways.
@tieAcherry101 that part is difficult to speculate on, so we'll see on that one. I imagine you're right, but it could be annoying in practice depending on how much action delay it is.
Oh wow that Clara point is really good. If the enemy is weak to phy then it will be really bad for Clara. I was thinking clara will finally have 5 star support but I wonder if she will be worse than bronya for clara. All depends on how much she delays
I have thought the same for Himeko and Ruan Mei's break extension to be anti, but this is only a problem for elites, because likelihood the mobs are weak enough to die to FUA anyway, not giving a second chance to be broken again w or w/o Ruan Mei's break extension. And for elites, they are also broken even faster, and in a single-target situation with an elite, you were never relying on FUA break for Himeko in the first place. Might as well used a different DPS at that point.
Like with the upcoming pure fiction, does it matter that the break extension is longer when you will continue to break more mobs, while they spawn more unbroken mobs.
@lofnforseti8447 My usual response would be that typically, elites are the thing that matter above all else, but you raise a really good point with pure fiction making them less relevant by result.
Love that you both are taking this like adults and the debate is actually really interesting to learn on the viewpoints.
As for current dual dps comps on 0 cycle, Gacha Smack has put up some showcases for topaz with blade and kafka. Links below if you wish to check them out!
Topaz+Kafka: ruclips.net/video/s7wVmLQFRr8/видео.htmlsi=dIVy2C-r-8aKOWjG
Topaz+Blade: ruclips.net/video/U7kvtAlrXk4/видео.htmlsi=hfxDO0rweTfbIDac
yeah, but the key word to pokke statements is comfortability, which also means consistency. Those showcases werent comfortable and required resets to get good RNG. Also its funny that they were against the exact bosses that Pokke said were the exception cause of how they work lol.
@@zap7737 yep! I understand both takes and competitiveness is definitely subjective. The sole intention of my comment here is to share some showcases on dual team comps since Mr Pokke mentioned he has not seen much viable ones apart from topaz himeko and DoT comps - maybe i misunderstood😅
@@Insomaniac69 nah you're fine, even if they're against outliers it's proof that the teams do have a place in at least some situations. I do agree that the number of resets is relevant, but even if you do it first try that doesn't matter if a dumbass like me can't replicate it, so it's hard to quantify what exactly is "comfortable enough" to count without something like Genshin's KQM standard for build strength. Better for Pokke to see them and refute them as opposed to not knowing they exist.
@@Guns-R-Us_100% spot on.
Now this is how content creators should throw back and forths with each other very educational and were getting 2 perspectives
Respect to both of you 😂
I'm all for healthy discussion. I just really disagree with overhyping a unit like that during pre-release.
overhyping is like saying '' YOU MUST ROLL OTHERWISE YOUR ACCOUNT BRICKED FOREVER ''
How do we know it's overhyping? People said Jingliu and DHIL were going to be insane meta breaking units during their prerelease as well. Fu Xuan and Luocha too. And then they were.
True. They're all making too much speculations. I would rather try out Ruan Mei in her trial and see for myself then wait for Sparkle's beta kit, see between the two, and THEN pull. I do admit, Ruan Mei is the most overhyped character.
@@Dendyaryadi so many youtuber are illuding to this but not outright saying it. esp gacha smack
@@eckology016 Did you even watch how Gachasmack overhyped Ruan Mei? "Ruan Mei's way higher. She's way higher than Bronya. She's way higher than everyone." Also Gachasmack =/= people. Who else is making statement like this?
Ironically people are starting to find DHIL not THAT strong anymore unless E2. In the MOC clears the difference between DPSes are only 1 to 2 cycles at best. It is more element/blessing based if anything.
Fuxuan and Luocha's competitors are the cleanseless Bailu and Gepard. It really doesn't take much to outclass them.
Is running 2 harmony really better than running harmony nihility for hypercarry? I wonder about that, but I definitely see the potential in dropping the sustain and going 2 dps 2 harmony/nihility (especially using RM and someone like Welt maybe to stall the enemy and not need sustain). Maybe even 3 DPS + RM as long as you're smart about action delay mechanics and the skill point economy is compatible.
Healthy debate through disagreements and opinions is such a beautiful thing
I’m cryinggg 😭 I know later tectone gonna react to this
love this
I run Blade and Jingliu with Bronya and a healer/Asta. They crush everything and will be even more broken with Ruan Mei. So I'd say there are dou dps competitive comps that exist before Ruan Mei launches.
The crack that gacha smack is on in that 0 cycle MoC is so good I want some for myself
This is a vid of tectone reacting to gacha and pokkee reacting to gacha through tectone's vid and gacha giving response to pokke's vid and pokke responding to gacha's response vid.. 😵😵
Other videos be like: Ruan Mei is BROKEN
POKKE HERE COOKING SOME CONTENT BEFORE CHRISMAST EVE! GREAT AS ALWAYS!
Damn this response is hella fast 😂, i just watched smack's content an hour ago 😂
Same lmao
Very reasonable and well articulated response to Smack’s video. +100 respect for Pokke!!
damn love this "drama, non-drama" debates, hell yeah!
There a Jingliu, Blade, Bronya, Fu xuan 0 cycle on youtube with a quick search. 1.4 sure but the power exists. Its even e0s1 so not crazy to see the point of it being just as good for all purposes since it can 0 cycle.
pfft 1.4 moc10 was a joke, anything at that time could 0 cycle
Nahh, Moc buff in 1.4 is just too brokenn
You guys should do a podcast together.
Okay now I think they might be farming this XD
Very glad you guys aren't insulting each others mothers
It's doesn't take a lot to make U very glad ,eh...
‘So they have mothers’ regulus probably. 😂😂😂
Honestly that was the only missing thing from the video
Why should they? they aren't Tectone lol
You guys make a cute couple
Don’t be gay
This will never end...
:)
Wondering where you got that tingyun pillow, asking for a friend
I laugh along with you so much MrPokke, Gacha smack reaction sure is funny, lol
I am personally building a perfect dual DPS with Jingliu and Blade. I can run RuanMei and HuoHuo with penacony, one for each dps. Very skill point friendly and with high investment can probably beat absolute anything in the game for a good while.
whenever MrPokke speak, especially in this vid, I had to check to see if I have the vid speed on 1.5x cause my man is for real rapping at supersonic speed at this point holy shit
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