This Honkai: Star Rail Tierlist CHANGES EVERYTHING
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Watch MrPokke reacting to Mtashed's Honkai: Star Rail character tier list yet another time ranting on Qingque except this genuinely changes everything.
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00:00 Intro
01:13 Physical MC
01:25 Bailu
02:14 Bronya
04:11 Clara
04:29 Gepard
05:00 Lynx
07:19 Tingyun
08:08 Welt
08:43 Himeko
09:08 Yanqing
09:50 Asta
10:21 Arlan
10:33 Dan Heng
11:28 Herta
12:20 Hook
12:38 March 7th
12:48 Natasha
13:19 Pela
14:38 Qingque
14:44 Serval
15:06 Fire MC
16:28 Seele [CONTROVERSIAL]
19:32 OURGENERAL
21:09 Silver Wolf
21:23 Dr. Ratio
22:18 Luocha
22:34 Yukong
22:41 Blade
23:42 Gamer Supps
23:59 DHIL
24:20 Fu Xuan
24:45 Sparkle
25:05 Jingliu
25:48 Huo Huo
26:41 Argenti
27:06 Ruan Mei
28:36 Hanya
30:21 Sushang
30:30 Misha
30:35 Xueyi
31:01 Topaz
32:50 Kafka
33:09 Black Swan
33:48 4-star DoT units
35:26 Tierlist summary
38:28 Outro
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Dr.Ratio is free until THE END OF V2.1 so by the time that comes his ranking will definitely be affected
Hey mr pokke.....what about if someone who got IL e0 before the free dr. ratio news....what happens then???
hes still good dw, it doesn't really matter bc imaginary weakness is so common
@@abdelrahmangaballah8741 still good just continue using him and don't waste more resources on ratio if you're f2p and doesn't have much resource else you're gonna have a pretty hard time building new characters. (I've built and tried both so you don't have to try it and they're both great dps!)
To answer that question, IL is still best in imaginary DPS roles in the current state version of game but if the game already give you a free 5 star imaginary DPS coverage with just slight worse performance than IL (assuming both at E0) then using that jades to pull other valuable characters would be much efficient in terms of combat performance.
Thank you for at least in a comment pointing out the obvious elephant in the room.
I suggest you stop arguing with gacha smack. You just taking too much L's man
dr ratio won't be free forever, feels bad for future players lol
Same for tutorial lightcone. It allows Welt to be used in -0,33 SP rotation instead of full negative if you want to get black hole in 3 cycles. It essentially makes him usable as sustain substitute that fills Nihility requirements for Acheron and is huge improvement for E0 Acheron.
Which tutorial light cone?
@@sydorovich2532 Do you mean the Silver Wolf light cone from the 1.1 event? Bc as far as I know there's not a light cone we receive in the tutorial that we could not get later on...
@@noctisraizel6498 people call it tutorial for short because it's in the name
@@noctisraizel6498it’s called tutorial because the name of the light cone is before the tutorial mission starts.
So now we wait for Gacha Smack to react to Pokke reacting to this list.
Be back for the next 0 cycle war video
23 views in 27 seconds? Nah mr.pokke fell off smh
Not even 9000 views, smh my head.
5000 viewers in 2 hours? Fell off fr
He is truly out of touch 😢
Shaking my head my head@@justjuniorjaw
@@justjuniorjawshaking your head your head?
Your "HweHwe" is so contagious 😂
Pokke cursing us again with the curse of Bailu. Jokes on you I have guaranteed so I am safe
Jokes on you, you'll get a double and the second will be Bailu (I really hope I get Himeko or Clara if I lose tbh, i got everyone else and e1 Bronya and Welt)
@@Gottaloveaxolotlsi would be fine with that, that happend with sparkle aswell, so im guaranteed now and would be guaranteed for the next aswell
@@GottaloveaxolotlsI would love that, then the one afterwards would be guaranteed too lol
I lost 50/50 to sparkle twice and got Bailu both times. Still don't have my 2nd sparkle, no more jade. =(. My only consolation is that it wasn't yanqing. I'll take bailu over yanqing just cuz Gepard is my 2nd solo sustain, and he is doing fine so far, but if I ever need an actual healer for some reason, as someone with no luocha or huohuo, bailu might be useful. maybe... eventually.
RIP Akira Toriyama - DB intro made me sad.
Respects in chat.
Mtashed definitely getting his E3 Bailu 💀
I think the property term for Topaz is that she's a FUA enchancer rather than an enabler. She basically functions more akin to Silverwolf where she allow a certain play style to be forced even when weakness is does not match with their current team ( not as effective as silverwolf but makes it easier to force, though you can match your second FUA to match the weakness).
She also makes elation path in SU easily the hardest hitting path (and also enables some of the blessings to break the mechanics of the game)
MrPokke has terminal 0 turn clear whale brainrot. I'm not sure he's ever even thought of a world outside of that scenario.
About Dr. Ratio. That is the reason why I didn't pull for Dan Heng IL. I was originally going to pull for DHIL and his e2 but even with that, I already got myself a free Imaginary unit and he is very very good. And that allows me to save for more future characters.
Respectfully & Genuinely™
Lynx is actually so good, I still use her as a solo sustain in floor 11-12 MOC
i use lynx on one side and a lvl70 bailu on the other. they both do fine
same 😅
"I would never ever ever recommend a new player pick up DH IL since we have sparkle"
Whelp, I'm a new player who got DH IL and now Sparkle, I don't regret it by any means, but I do wonder what I could have spent the jade on instead if I hadn't spent on them
You should secure atleast 2 limited sustain if you are new, and to the surprise next patch has 2 best sustain Aventurine & FuXuan.
@@starless0021 100 percent plan to get FuXuan. I don't care much for Adventurine as a character so I'll skip him. But gonna also save for HuoHuo (although probably gonna be a bit for her since she was more recently on banner)
@@PenultimatePenPenAventurine is quite strong but I think his personality is dogs*it. So ya go for the one you like.
I agree with mtashed in fire mc having a special place in my heart since I took my boi everywhere after belobog and before I got huohuo
1:57 honestly no, Lynx is the best healer after Luocha and Huohuo. She can increase a Preservation or Destruction character's aggro (which is extremely good especially when paired with Blade or Clara), her heals are very good, her eidolons are amazing and buff the team even more, and finally she cleanses debuffs with her ult. These are things you can't say about Bailu, her eidolons are mid to bad, her resurrection mechanics are redundant since a healer should keep the team alive in the first place, no debuff cleanses and her skill's heals are random which is super bad if you need a burst heal on a character. Also Lynx has continuous heals on her skill, like Natasha, and unlike Bailu. Bailu is just bad, worst healer in the game honestly (and I see her getting worse and worse 'cause her utility just isn't there)
very nice tierlist and reaction!
Now we need to see your tierlist ahahhaha
love to see the pullups are back
THIS LITERALLY CHANGES EVERYTHING🔥🔥🔥
Surprisingly watchable tier list.
It's crazy how everyone just sleeps on Hanya... The spd and atk buffs are great. Upto 2 skill points every turn, works really well with a lot of sp hungry dps+Bronya teams.
Ofc Sparkle does it better, but she's also a fkin 5* char compared to a 4*. Pokke is so out of touch it's insane
Sparkle's release doesn't instantly make her a dogshit unit, however, it's just that Sparkle does everything Hanya does and better so Hanya's overall value drops tremendously. It doesn't make Hanya trash, there's just less of a reason to build her.
@@mataeus. true but for people like me that aren't pulling for Sparkle, it makes perfect sense to have a char gens skill points effectively and gives a ton of spd and atk to the dps
Why not use sparkle and hanya at the same time lol, especially in dhil teams.
Honestly. I use dhil/hanya/sparkle/fu xuan and I still clear stuff around the same time as I would use my tingyun instead of hanya. She’s def slept on.
Maybe because of her eidolons not giving that much
everyone just buffs better than her bruh. Her sp generating just straight up isnt enough/valuable enough to be impactful. If you just play an sp positive team SP hungry teams wont be affected like at all. SP positive units tend to be some of the best in the game as well. Pela and Tingyun are way better and if you think Hanya is on the same level than ur the one actually out of touch. She is apart of no ones best team. Literally why shes just an alternative.
monster's HP scaling over time affect WAY more seela than basically any other dps
Truly one of the changes of all time
7:07 the reason why lynx is higher then bailu and gepard.........is that lynx actually has a purpose that hasnt been powercrept yet, cause gepard and bailu are pretty much worthless to build it u have any of the 5 star sustainers,......while lynx is best in slot sustain for blade and clara because of how PERFECTLY there kits sinergize with each other, and with those two units lynx alwo acts as a harmony unit
Edit: the only argument I have gotten in the reply section is that lynx has to use the skipped every turn to keep uptime up, which is COMPLETE false, cause lynx just has to use her skill before the enemies turn goes, so no u don't need to use her skill every turn thst is false
If u run blade fast or with an action forward lynx buff expire too quickly, and using blade with a non luocha healer makes u bleed sp
lynx is also pretty much worthless to build if you have any of the 5 star sustainers...her taunt expires way too fast for Blade+Bronya comp, and she can't reliably solo sustain a team.
@@Aleks96Clipsu barely have sp issues with blade and clare to begin with
@@melodyxu1010u either have to run blade slow or manage ur skill points better, skill issue
@@treasure9342 so what’s your blade team? None of the popular blade teams run Lynx as sustain
Good point. I should consider building my Dan Heng again.
as someone who pulled e0 dan heng il as a new player HE IS very fun and hard to manage at the same time but imo dhil is more fun the dr ratio.
Dr Ratio with topaz is an smg he will be even more so with aventurine.
At this moment think e0 dhil is better then Dr ratio (and everyone else)........but more fun? EHHHHHH
Nahh bro stop the cap E0 danIL is not fun at all without sparkle🤣
@@swifty3290 i just love dhil attacks more its so satsifying to look at
@@knightbot23 If we talking about animation and design yes i agree but kit and mechanic wise i don't think so.
Thanks for the new beeeeejow
My problem with sustain units they will always be ranked A for me because they give you so much sustain that its not needed like natasha will always be enough unless they up the dmg of the enemies
The thing is that for well built QQ you just need to get autarchy 4 times in a row. If you have her well built 1 autarchy is enough to clear 1st wave. The chance of getting autarchy + 4 of a kind with 2 - 4 skill uses is about 1/2.4. Which gives you 1/13.8 chances to roll it 3 times in a row 17:50. It would be equal to having 41% CR on Seele but you will have to roll more on her, cause she does more attacks so it will be worse. Also not critting will be a much bigger dmg loss then not getting autarchy
i used sampo with black swan in MoC against the death hand in MoC 12, purely because i used kafka in the first half but yeah i havent really used any of the other dots units outside of that
I don't know what to think about the take on ratio for a new player, like yeah he's insane but imo running him without silverwolf or pela, which probably some new players not gonna have, isn't ILgonna be better even e0 ?
Progressing on relics, especially in shit quantum domain, with a lot of new units releasing which you need to build and spend tonns of resources on them, it's like an account regression overall
physical mc is awesome.... you just need energy regen and her trace upgrades lets you critical hit on broken characters, so you can use her with any team comp....kinda. BUT ALSO... Hiyaah! bat to the face!
I think Guinaifen is my most-valuable 4 star DoT character now that Sampo's been replaced by BS; I used her to 0-cycle the current MoC 12 with Kafka/BS/RM.
Being able to apply Resolution aoe and mark all enemies with fire gives an extra unique DoT type to makes Arcana stack faster and get the biggest possible procs turn 1
Pokke whats better, croissants or bagels 🤔
In the case they release a character better than Kafka someday, there will be so much DoT units released by the time that we will be also able to run 2 DoT comp. Or both in the same team like MrPokke said
JAJAJAJA, el título 😂 Geniuely, i love this comunity
Fire MC is my sustain / Sub DPS of choice in fire weak MoC and PF stage. (w/ Ruan Mei)
Having her in PF helps with surviving just enough without sacrificing the valuable break power.
Also Serval deserves to be A rank for she's my only Lightning DPS and she's a great substitute if you don't have Jing Yuan.
If this was an MoC list I would agree with Hue Hue being above Fu Xuan and Luocha. For Pure Fiction and Sim Uni, though... That's craaaazy
"sooner or later u will get bailu", definitely later for me, played since launch of the game, yet still didn't get her and i don't think I'll ever need her, after fusu and hoho
Dang I love your commentary man, great video!
Based Tashman with the Blade S tier 👌
aah... we chillin abit berfore continuing into war..ahahaha
The QQ argument is great. If you love resetting encounters that much just build only crit damage on all your crit dps units and enjoy the resets
i just want to say that luka skill can also remove a buff from an enemy shes not the only 4 star unit that can do that with her skill
I always have a hard time putting the standard 5* sustains above lynx because the extra survivability they provide is simply not necessary in the context of MoC. A properly built Lynx has absolutely zero issues keeping a team alive even in floor 12, so trading her cleanse for more sustain seems completely pointless to me.
Luka can also strip buff from enemy
From enemy, buff Luka can also strip
@@phoenixlaui can make him strip
I havent used Gepard in MOC since beginning of the game because of the way my dps and supports generally move 2-3 times before he goes again, the shield is off them super fast and so downtime before another ult sometimes is lethal. So Im sustaining with Lynx where I dont really have problems, even on teams with no destruction/preservation she keeps my team safe way more reliably than Gepard.
What dps/team is actually comfortable to play with him? (No sparkle/bronya, no fast hunt, no e2 dhil, no masochistic destruction, no speedy tingyun ?)
i used dot team with gepard before huohuo. 135 speed energy rope taunt lightcone, if you can have him at 100% eff res 👍👍👍👍👍 i couldnt but still never died in moc with him
which is better, for pure fiction, moc, e0s0 dr ratio or e2s0 clara?
I started the game on the Jingliu patch, my first starter pull (the 8 for 10 pulls) was a Bailu, Natasha carried me from Belobog to Phantyllia. I was using Bailu prior to her, but man, as far as leveling/beginner playthrough goes, random healing is beyond ass. Once you get access to modifying builds with ERR rope and other things, sure, but not before you can grind for that stuff. But that's a difference of just looking at the game through end-game goggles versus just starting. Just my opinion though.
Just heard your thing on her revive, I didn't have any wipes through leveling either, because Natasha heals so CHUNKY. My experience again, thus my opinion.
Why prewatch, when you can precurse?
1:59 when you said that I look at my e2 bailu and sighed.
There is only one thing on my mind in the entire vid. Why is the S tier units have more than A tier? Isn't it suppose to be the opposite?
Bro when Acheron comes welt gonna go up for sure
cant luka also remove enemy buffs?
QQ giving Mr Pokke PTSD.
Lol use Sampo since black swan not target for me honestly got kafka by mistake but don't really regret it xD
The problem with replacing Topaz with a buffer like Tingyun on Ratio teams is that you won't have the debuffs to get easy follow-ups. Which means you're playing the QQ game where you're just hoping to get lucky. It CAN work, but it's not a reliable strat.
Other than that, pretty much agree with everything else
That "qwhe qwhe" tho💀
me as a Gepard player I will say having him with 5k armor on him 2 850 shield is nice and with Fu Xuan you can survive basicly all attacks one shot attacks from bosses
and this is why you dont make combined tierlists 😭😭😭😭
With black swan, my Kafka does like 160-200k with aoe ults. She’s sooo good now. 33:51
Seelebros were SO BACK
fire mc will rise to A tier at acheron release, my goat will be f2p god option to turbo boost acheron ult
In these videos it becomes more and more apparent mr pokke does not have an objective view on units his thought process is that of a whale which is fine but hes speaking from the lense of less than 1% of the actual player base it really shows on tierlist videos and his latest bronya sparkle video
Mtashed is mostly F2P viewpoint and pokke doesn't really disagree with this list.
isnt it just dhil?
i think his justification for his takes on the sustains is pretty reasonable
I agree with pretty much all of his takes as a bp/express spender. Not sure what you think is wrong? Seele has always been incredibly strong on my account up until very recently - in the past she very frequently performed similar to or even outperformed Jingliu. I've honestly gotten overall worse performance out of DHIL - not sure about now with Sparkle (need to test more) but he doesn't seem drastically more powerful vs. just running him with Ruan Mei. If it were up to me, I'd say he's still on the same level as Seele and Dr. Ratio.
Based on my experience, I'd rank the DPSs as S+: Jingliu, S: Seele - Dr. Ratio - DHIL, A: all other limited crit DPSs
How did u build your DHIL because I don't think I built him well@@27Ganon
7:52 mtashed reminded me of that kid from flinstone asdkkfhasd
mah man skip hearing daddyTashed's comment about QQ after that QQ SP disaster run and Crit issue XD
Other than the critiscm you mentioned Mtasheds Tierlist is pretty based.
Why did you assume he was talking about best scenario calcs for QQ? in avg dmg calcs QQ is actually better at e6, which is, to be fair, not guaranteed. QQ has the potential to get screwed, but on average does better the Seele and also has the potential to pop off.
Fire MC is so good in simulated universe , most tanky sustain because when using skill is like unkillable (need gepard LC for effect hit rate)
yeah def esp because for most runs in SU you can solve your skill point issue with blessings so fire TB can spam skill
“Sooner or later you will get a Bailu”. Me staring at my E1 Welt.
Dr. Ratio in Pure fiction is WHO??? I have cleared the Expression of Eloquence right thanks to Dr. Ratio.
I agree. Bailu came in clutch for me more times than Lynx... at E0 that is.
I have no Bailu and have been playing since launch.
So he hasn’t learn from the last time he curse people wishes?
that intro tho, Genuinely fire 💯
i wish they release another unit like kafka so i can farm for 2 team for dots
25:50 i was a day 1 luocha and huohuo haver and ill have to agree huohuo 40% attack buff and energy recharge is way too op and her skill is basically a way better nat lynx and bailu ult
Saying Black Swan's backloaded damage shows how powerful Kafka is is tantamount to saying a ton of dynamite shows how powerful a lighter is.
Honestly it surprises me how many people fail to grasp this concept. I don't even like or have Kafka.
But when more dot characters come out, the better Kafka becomes, black swan on the other hand wont become better with them. That's why Kafka gets the credit for the kafka/BS combo, since BS can easily be replaced by a future dot character, while it's much less likely we'll get a character who does what Kafka does.
@@Ghalion666 I'd love to hear a cogent and honest evaluation of why Kafka will benefit more from a future 5* DOTer than Black Swan when she doesn't even do that with the current 4* DOTers. Lol
@@davidlyons6235so dots are a backloaded form of dmg, enemy only take it on their own turn which is like once a cycle. Kafka bypass that mechanic and trigger any and all dots on her own turn, so basically you prok the same dot like 2-3 times in a single cycle. Kafka makes BS backload DMG into frontload. Also kafkas ult procs all dot on screen that has 100% multiple of current dots. So she does almost same dmg as BS. Ofc you can play BS w/o Kafka but that is just way too slow, like damaging enemies once per cycle.
So, Kafka DMG == DMG of applied dots
If the future 5* dot has higher dot application than BS then that increases the frontload DMG cause by Kafka.
In a sense you can say, Kafka never compete with BS instead BS should worry about future limited 5* dot.
Tldr; Kafka improves speed of dots prok, which makes it comfortable to do DMG as you wish instead of relying on enemies turn.
@@starless0021 again the same should apply to the current 4* characters. We don't need a future 5* to know who makes a DOT team stronger. I hear these kinds of comments all the time and every day I test it. No matter what I do a Black Swan run DOT team is always stronger than a Kafka run DOT team. I even give Kafka teams an advantage with a buffer and the result is the same. Black Swan+Guinaifen or Black Swan+Sampo is always stronger than when they're comped with Kafka. Doesn't matter what content I play. Black Swan DOT team comps are stronger than Kafka DOT team comps. A 5* with bigger amplifiers will only widen that between the two.
I have been playing Kafka a lot, and I do not find her strong enough. However, she is not a lighter, her damage is still there and is enough - almost - for pure fiction (she just can't function alone, and even then she needs some really good damage amplifiers + nihility units)
What happened to the r1999 content
Pokke is really undereatimating Lynx.
Mtashed account review when ?
Makes LC Tier List please
I think everyone should start separating MoC and PF tier lists.
And the value of a character should be judged first by how many of each role you need (lets say 2 sustains, 3~4 supps, 2~3 dpss), and then by elemental coverage and push them up because of coverage only if they can beat a higher tier with it.
PF not reliable, buffs change everything!
had ratio and all but I still pulled dhil cuz i just like it
im guaranteed should i pull sparkle or wait for robin?
Need wait to start beta 2.2(leaks) or wait for her release, we don't no her %, or kit if u don't look for leaks.
while i'm watching this vid I pulled in standard and got E1 bailu smh
I did eventually get a bailu... and she was better than my 4 stars lol
But is the tierlist relatable though?!?!?!
16:30 I think we have been seeing the over praise of Que Que because Volkin did such a good job selling her to his audience that ppl just think there is no point in building Seele now. Whenever I hear these takes nobody is having honest conversations because Mtashed and Volkin thinks in terms of just being f2p while alot of dolphins have a little leg room to snipe an Eidolon or 2 when they want. I personally love my Seele but this game is straying so far away from single target dps that it really hurts Seele's usability in the late game without whipping out your credit card.
That’s exactly why QQ is better. She has the AoE coverage that Seele lacks. Enemies’ HP pools are becoming so high that the things that are supposed to be Seele’s “strengths” really aren’t anymore.
Luka can remove buffs from enemies too for what its worth xD
i have e4 lynx and my lvl 60 bailu still sustains better 😭 kinda regretted building her bc i don't even play clara & don't have blade. i should've just been patient for aventurine lol
Lynx has a cleanse, which already makes her a better sustainer. And while the numbers on her healing aren’t better than Bailu’s, Bailu’s skill is inconsistent, and she doesn’t cleanse debuffs like Lynx. Also healing when getting hit isn’t as good as healing at the start of every turn, and the fact Lynx can give that Healing Over Time effect with both skill and burst makes her more consistent as a sustainer than Bailu. Also, HP increase which means more tankiness. I’ve built them both, and Lynx is by far the superior sustainer in 95% of situations.
why is mrpokke right about everything
Dont agree with lynx take of pokke
35:45 so we just put DHIL B tier bcs everyone has Ratio...? its not a value tier list dude
personally i think the argument of placing a character higher just because they are free should not really be considered too much. imo tier lists should be more performace based
Ratio still best 3rd dps in the game so his placement it's right, at e0 similar to IL if you don't have sparkle
Dr. Ratio is given for free for a limited time (until the end of v2.1 cmiiw), so there's an argument that DHIL should still stay higher than Ratio.
im ngl the amount of bailu slander is insane bailu is def better than the 4* healers, shes worse than the limited 5* sustain champs but so is every standard banner champ XD
Gepard is not better than Lynx, because Gepard hase some bad sinergies with SS tier units - Sparkle and Bronia, and also have meh sinergies with Clara and Blade and he struggle with control effects.
“Blade is comfy to play”
Blade at 1 hp: …
My main problem with this list, is its too generous. Call them for what they are if they're D for Dogshid.