When the Avata falls out of the sky on hard yaws it seems to roll too far in the wrong direction. As far as I know DJI never fixed the issue, DJI just put a band aid on it (now it kicks you into normal mode instead of falling out of the sky in most cases) and added RI with the same update. I don't know if it's true in all parts of the world but it's certainly what happens in the US.
Why are you needing to bind each time you fly those? I have the Avata and the Cinebot30 and I can use them interchageably. I had to bind the Cinebot30 once to my controller and once to the Goggles2 and never again. Are you binding each and every time?
Very helpful video. Can you share some help how to bind CineBot30 with the Tango 2 Pro? I can’t locate the binding button on the TBS receiver on the quad. Thanks a lot
I'm really torn between the three of these specifically. What is flight time like when your rip around doing tricks on the defender and bot? Also is there anyway to get the bot near 250g as well like you can the defender? Finally which one is more quiet?
This is a difficult one...as they are all fantastic! But they each have their own qualities. I haven't flown the bot too much yet.. so a 1100mah I'm sure will easily get 5 to 6 minutes of general flying with some freestyle thrown in. The defender on the 550mah battery will do about 4:30s and the 900mah will do around 6:30s. The bot will never be a sub 250g drone. The avata is by far the noisiest. None of them are particularly quiet. But the cinebot is quiet for a 6s 3.5 inch! The defender 25 is quiet enough to fly in your back garden without annoying the neighbours. It also depends on if this is your first whoop? And what style of flying you want to do? I've not mentioned the avata much. It flies very well and deserves more credit, however it has very little freestyle capabilites, whereas the other 2 are much better at that
@@FPV-TV419 I already own a DJI FPV and its fine for GPS hover shots and high altitude flips so really I'm just looking for a low to the earth drone that can do a bit of acro but also used to capture drift and rally car footage and would also be suited for medium to large parks or parking garages. Something I could weave in and out of gaps but if I hit something it could take a beating. I'm also only looking for 03 DJI RTF drones
I got the Integras so I can easily switch between my Avata, Cinebot, and Flywoo Explorer O3. If you take the base plate off conebot , you can insert an SD card, but you have to use USB to access the files which you can just about get to
Hi, yea after this video... I realised that the 03 unit does keep its binding memory between different 03 units 🤣. But if I bind to the avata and then back to 03, I have to rebind to an 03 unit again.
Regarding the tumble on the Avata, Im thinking the issue with it lays on the GPS module, If I make a hole on it, I think it may sorte the issue, seems related to a sudden change of pressure that could have been caused by the tyrns it self, lowering the pressure inside the module, a bigger hole on it may sort it
Good to see 👀 someone exploring this phenomenon - it's cost some folks a drone, and there has been little consensus- other than no one agrees in anything. 😉 Hell, people have ended friendships over this nonsense 🙄 😒 😑
I hadn't noticed that.... maybe I should turn the rates down a bit on the avata and see if it helps to stop it? I'm still pretty sure that it's only the avata... I have my rates pretty high in betaflight for the cinebot and defender
@@FPV-TV419 Maybe, it probably is the Avata as I've never heard anyone complain about that happening with other quads. Still I'm not sure if it's an issue at all since I don't know when I'd ever want to turn as sharp as that when otherwise flat, especially with a cinewhoop. But it's interesting that they probably messed something up.
@Depp yea I'm sire it's something on the avata, as when you do any sort of freestyle stuff, it's like the avata is trying to still interfere even though its in manual mode. Whereas the other 2 don't.... however... I do love the avata! And you're right... normal flying I've not had this happen yet. Just thought it would be interesting to do the test anyhow 😅
Great review!!!. Are you using the Cinebot with ERLS or Crossfire? I got confused by the small antenna in the quad and you using the Tango II. Thank you!
I don't know much about those drones, but is there a variable such as one has a GPS hold in the equation or is it simply a difference in the firmware accelerometer compensation?
The avata does have gps, however it's not used in manual mode. It's definitely an issue with either the tune, the fact the propellers are partially covered by the body of the drone, underpowered or a mixture of all of them...
If you don't care for sub250g... then the cinebot is far superior in terms of power and handling. However the defender 25 is a fantastic whoop for its weight!
If someone could put different pop guards to Avata ,something thinner or even with a gap between 2 frames it could help us understand the main reason behind it. I see that the Axis 3.5" upgrade comes with a different frame kit and it might be the main reason behind it. They say that the dirty air(turbulence) causing that tumble which is crated by the odd shape of the ducks. If it is a tuning issue then it should have done the same thing with after the Axis 3.5" upgrade kit for Avata. If it was a software fixable thing DJI's engineers would have find an actual fix for it instead of a band aid fix . They are multi million dollar company who makes shit loads of money out of these drones... If someone could have hacked in to the tuning of this device and tweak it somehow we could also know for sure ;)
It seems to me that the avatar battery is damn heavy and has an unfortunate location on the frame. If I found a solution and put a light battery for a minute of flight to test.
I crashed my cinebot30 at that moment the only thing that was broken was on motor. 2 weeks later had to replace the Motors, Frame, And FC. Just be careful with Geprc support.
@@FPV-TV419 After the crash it went form flying 6 min to 2min after i replaced the bent motor and top frame. I wasn't sure what it was, so I asked support they said it was the battery? I had already purchased 3 LIHV battery GepRC Brand. so they just lied and i am still waiting on some info. The rest of the motors just burn out about another 2 week after . When i was trying does MIT props. So i purchase RCinpower 1804 3000KV, Know i have a crazy wobble when i throttle up. So i went and just purchased a new FC comes in tomorrow. here is what it sounds like. ruclips.net/user/shorts63MswjlsOWc?feature=share So that my Geprc Cinebot30 story. Funny thing this is my sec cinebot30. The first one did the same thing only stay in the air for 2-3min max and GepRC refund me my money. I should have just purchased the frame, it is the best part of the Cinbot30.
@ZMonstar very strange.... for a crash so hard you bent the motor... is It possible you damaged the speed controller some how? Its very hard to say what the issue might be...
@@FPV-TV419 Not sure i just started FPV last Nov. This drone has thrown me into the deep end of the pool. I did purchase a new FC so let hope it fly's as good as yours.
Yea I agree. I dont think guards are the issue with the avata tho... I'm sure it's something dji have done in the fc / firmware.. I've watched it back... and you can actually hear the avata constantly sounding like its trying to correct something when flying.. even though its in manual mode. Whereas the other 2 don't...
It's the dji 03 unit I'm binding to the goggles every time. The system doesn't have a memory. You have to rebind between units. My tbs radio does have a memory though, I do not have to rebind to each flight controller every time
None of those drones have GPS control like Avata, there is obviously something that the drones feeling which is trying to take over but does not, even in manual mode there is something in the background and that I believe is what causes it. I have not been able to make my Avata crash because of this issue because I don't see why I would push it that hard but then again, what they advertise is another thing, Great video, I want a cinabot now with o3 lol
I agree for sure, the avata in manual mode just seems like the fc is still trying to have some sort on unwanted input. I can highly recommend the cinebot for the way it flies! It's a hell of a thing!!!
No, it's just yawwash like all the early whoops had, it's a mix of bad balance, lack of power and constricted airflow. they just didn't do their homework other companies solved this 2years ago by eather making holes into the ducts(diatone) or use of tiny ducts(iflight geprc, betafpv) The ducts on avata are just too deep and it has a balance problem (head heavy), that the motors cannot compensate
Yes I agree! I really want dji to do one aimed at people who aren't beginners. A traditional style drone with their technology on would be excellent! However it's always going to be floored with their flight controller which can't be adjusted in any way. Also it seems in their manual modes that it's still always trying to assist in some way. Not like manual mode on betaflight
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Awesome comparison. Nice work man. Definitely gonna help Someone make a decision on what they want and prefer.
Thanks man 😊
When the Avata falls out of the sky on hard yaws it seems to roll too far in the wrong direction. As far as I know DJI never fixed the issue, DJI just put a band aid on it (now it kicks you into normal mode instead of falling out of the sky in most cases) and added RI with the same update. I don't know if it's true in all parts of the world but it's certainly what happens in the US.
Great video ,you have a great place to fly. Plenty of room.
which battery were u using for cinebot 30...?
if in doubt , flat out - Colin McRae
Why are you needing to bind each time you fly those? I have the Avata and the Cinebot30 and I can use them interchageably. I had to bind the Cinebot30 once to my controller and once to the Goggles2 and never again. Are you binding each and every time?
Very helpful video. Can you share some help how to bind CineBot30 with the Tango 2 Pro? I can’t locate the binding button on the TBS receiver on the quad. Thanks a lot
I'm really torn between the three of these specifically. What is flight time like when your rip around doing tricks on the defender and bot? Also is there anyway to get the bot near 250g as well like you can the defender? Finally which one is more quiet?
This is a difficult one...as they are all fantastic! But they each have their own qualities. I haven't flown the bot too much yet.. so a 1100mah I'm sure will easily get 5 to 6 minutes of general flying with some freestyle thrown in. The defender on the 550mah battery will do about 4:30s and the 900mah will do around 6:30s.
The bot will never be a sub 250g drone. The avata is by far the noisiest. None of them are particularly quiet. But the cinebot is quiet for a 6s 3.5 inch! The defender 25 is quiet enough to fly in your back garden without annoying the neighbours.
It also depends on if this is your first whoop? And what style of flying you want to do?
I've not mentioned the avata much. It flies very well and deserves more credit, however it has very little freestyle capabilites, whereas the other 2 are much better at that
@@FPV-TV419 I already own a DJI FPV and its fine for GPS hover shots and high altitude flips so really I'm just looking for a low to the earth drone that can do a bit of acro but also used to capture drift and rally car footage and would also be suited for medium to large parks or parking garages. Something I could weave in and out of gaps but if I hit something it could take a beating. I'm also only looking for 03 DJI RTF drones
I got the Integras so I can easily switch between my Avata, Cinebot, and Flywoo Explorer O3. If you take the base plate off conebot , you can insert an SD card, but you have to use USB to access the files which you can just about get to
Hi, yea after this video... I realised that the 03 unit does keep its binding memory between different 03 units 🤣. But if I bind to the avata and then back to 03, I have to rebind to an 03 unit again.
Regarding the tumble on the Avata, Im thinking the issue with it lays on the GPS module, If I make a hole on it, I think it may sorte the issue, seems related to a sudden change of pressure that could have been caused by the tyrns it self, lowering the pressure inside the module, a bigger hole on it may sort it
Good to see 👀 someone exploring this phenomenon - it's cost some folks a drone, and there has been little consensus- other than no one agrees in anything. 😉 Hell, people have ended friendships over this nonsense 🙄 😒 😑
I also noticed that the defender 25 turns much slower than the Avata as well
Interesting.
It seems to me that the Avata turns much quicker. Maybe it happens with the Defender/Cinebot as well if the yaw rates are higher?
I hadn't noticed that.... maybe I should turn the rates down a bit on the avata and see if it helps to stop it? I'm still pretty sure that it's only the avata... I have my rates pretty high in betaflight for the cinebot and defender
@@FPV-TV419 Maybe, it probably is the Avata as I've never heard anyone complain about that happening with other quads.
Still I'm not sure if it's an issue at all since I don't know when I'd ever want to turn as sharp as that when otherwise flat, especially with a cinewhoop.
But it's interesting that they probably messed something up.
@Depp yea I'm sire it's something on the avata, as when you do any sort of freestyle stuff, it's like the avata is trying to still interfere even though its in manual mode. Whereas the other 2 don't.... however... I do love the avata! And you're right... normal flying I've not had this happen yet. Just thought it would be interesting to do the test anyhow 😅
My cinebot30 6s is about to be delivered in a couple hours and seeing this made me SO much more excited!
You won't be disappointed! Amazing whoop!
Great review!!!. Are you using the Cinebot with ERLS or Crossfire? I got confused by the small antenna in the quad and you using the Tango II. Thank you!
Thanks ☺️. I'm using crossfire. I use that on all my quads. It's just a short crossfire antenna that's all
Very nice video. I'm your new sub. Big like.
Nice review, well done
how they fly in windy condition with propoguard on it of course
I don't know much about those drones, but is there a variable such as one has a GPS hold in the equation or is it simply a difference in the firmware accelerometer compensation?
The avata does have gps, however it's not used in manual mode. It's definitely an issue with either the tune, the fact the propellers are partially covered by the body of the drone, underpowered or a mixture of all of them...
It's a DJI 03 air unit footage
which one do you choose , cinebot 30 or defender 25 ?
If you don't care for sub250g... then the cinebot is far superior in terms of power and handling. However the defender 25 is a fantastic whoop for its weight!
Thank you for the information
@@FPV-TV419
If someone could put different pop guards to Avata ,something thinner or even with a gap between 2 frames it could help us understand the main reason behind it. I see that the Axis 3.5" upgrade comes with a different frame kit and it might be the main reason behind it. They say that the dirty air(turbulence) causing that tumble which is crated by the odd shape of the ducks. If it is a tuning issue then it should have done the same thing with after the Axis 3.5" upgrade kit for Avata. If it was a software fixable thing DJI's engineers would have find an actual fix for it instead of a band aid fix . They are multi million dollar company who makes shit loads of money out of these drones... If someone could have hacked in to the tuning of this device and tweak it somehow we could also know for sure ;)
It seems to me that the avatar battery is damn heavy and has an unfortunate location on the frame. If I found a solution and put a light battery for a minute of flight to test.
Nice flight 👌
Thanks man 🙏
I crashed my cinebot30 at that moment the only thing that was broken was on motor. 2 weeks later had to replace the Motors, Frame, And FC. Just be careful with Geprc support.
Oh.. why did you have to replace all the other parts? I've only flown it once since this video. Spent more time with the defender lately
@@FPV-TV419 After the crash it went form flying 6 min to 2min after i replaced the bent motor and top frame. I wasn't sure what it was, so I asked support they said it was the battery? I had already purchased 3 LIHV battery GepRC Brand. so they just lied and i am still waiting on some info. The rest of the motors just burn out about another 2 week after . When i was trying does MIT props. So i purchase RCinpower 1804 3000KV, Know i have a crazy wobble when i throttle up. So i went and just purchased a new FC comes in tomorrow. here is what it sounds like. ruclips.net/user/shorts63MswjlsOWc?feature=share So that my Geprc Cinebot30 story. Funny thing this is my sec cinebot30. The first one did the same thing only stay in the air for 2-3min max and GepRC refund me my money. I should have just purchased the frame, it is the best part of the Cinbot30.
@ZMonstar very strange.... for a crash so hard you bent the motor... is It possible you damaged the speed controller some how? Its very hard to say what the issue might be...
@@FPV-TV419 Not sure i just started FPV last Nov. This drone has thrown me into the deep end of the pool. I did purchase a new FC so let hope it fly's as good as yours.
I think it's a stretch to call them 'ducts' on the defender and cinebot. They're more like guards.
Yea I agree. I dont think guards are the issue with the avata tho... I'm sure it's something dji have done in the fc / firmware.. I've watched it back... and you can actually hear the avata constantly sounding like its trying to correct something when flying.. even though its in manual mode. Whereas the other 2 don't...
@@FPV-TV419 It's definitely strange.
Why are you binding your drones every time? Doesn't your radio support multiple models?
It's the dji 03 unit I'm binding to the goggles every time. The system doesn't have a memory. You have to rebind between units.
My tbs radio does have a memory though, I do not have to rebind to each flight controller every time
@@FPV-TV419 i dint need to rebind mine. what firmware are you on
@Pavo Cristatus I was on old firmware up until last night when I updated all my gear. If what you saying is correct it would be a game changer!?
None of those drones have GPS control like Avata, there is obviously something that the drones feeling which is trying to take over but does not, even in manual mode there is something in the background and that I believe is what causes it. I have not been able to make my Avata crash because of this issue because I don't see why I would push it that hard but then again, what they advertise is another thing, Great video, I want a cinabot now with o3 lol
I agree for sure, the avata in manual mode just seems like the fc is still trying to have some sort on unwanted input. I can highly recommend the cinebot for the way it flies! It's a hell of a thing!!!
@@FPV-TV419 just got iflight nazgul V2 with 03air unit and it's amazing, going have to get cinabot now😂. Thanks for chatting, have fun take care
@@BNIRc same mate 👍
No, it's just yawwash like all the early whoops had, it's a mix of bad balance, lack of power and constricted airflow.
they just didn't do their homework other companies solved this 2years ago by eather making holes into the ducts(diatone) or use of tiny ducts(iflight geprc, betafpv)
The ducts on avata are just too deep and it has a balance problem (head heavy), that the motors cannot compensate
@@jacktheripper1784 you sure seems like, interface, 😜either way, seems if you fly it like a whoop it's fine 🤔 has not give me any issues 😁
Sweet Bro 👊👊👊
Thanks man 😊
upgrade the avata using axisflying 3.5 frame and motor
I did infact do that 😉. There's a few videos on my channel using the axis avata 🤘
Why dji don't try do real fpv drone 5" or real cinewoop🤔
Yes I agree! I really want dji to do one aimed at people who aren't beginners. A traditional style drone with their technology on would be excellent! However it's always going to be floored with their flight controller which can't be adjusted in any way. Also it seems in their manual modes that it's still always trying to assist in some way. Not like manual mode on betaflight
to me it looks like the drone is over correcting
Not good, hope to see an update of that.
I'd say, it's just classical yawwash
I actually liked the footage from the cinebot 30 when you forgot to turn the camera up. Pretty cool 😎
Thanks man. It makes an inverted yaw spin easier 🤣
Just switch to elrs and bind once in life
It's not the radio I was binding. It was the goggles. Dji goggles have no memory between air units
@@FPV-TV419 thx for that hind, I'm thinking about changing to DJI, didn't no that yet
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