@@mbsfaridi typically not because both mouse skates and screws want to be at the edge of the base and you'd typically not expect consumers to take it apart
@@craigjamroz7585 I liked how my MX Master could handle it. If you scrolled fast the wheel would unlock but going slowly you could use regular steps. I had other problems with it but the scroll wheel is the best I've used.
@@riba2233 no they don’t the only product I’ve ever enjoyed from them is the viper ult, everything else they have is really overpriced and low quality and I hate it.
Optimum tech did a test on the smart tracking thing and it does make the signal much more consistent although it only makes a small difference but in the end small differences are still differences
Didn't this guy 'meh' on a Starlight mice? Charge him $100 more dollars, make it come from Razer, make it EVEN more limited, give it to him more than a full year later with some minor generational upgrades on the sensor, and he'll gush over it.
Have light marks rubbed into my plastic mice / keyboards, so expect anodizing probably would also come off with time. The oxidation might give it an interesting aged look though, depending if you like that
The problem is screw points. The screws can scrape off the layer and create corrosion points. Hey, but this is just speculation, I don't really know. Probably not a problem if you don't disassemble it to change switches, for example.
@GQQ GGQ magnesium doesn't corrode like other metals and give a patina. It creates a white powder that comes off easily and can "worm hole" aka continue to corrode deeper into the material unless dealt with instead of creating a protective coating itself like other metals might when they oxidize
I'd not trust even Razer's "premium" products to be good. I have their 200$ Basilisk Ultimate, and the scroll wheel is so bad. Because of their adjustable resistance gimmick, the scroll wheel is super loose, and it double scrolls, skips steps, and the steps are uneven. And the software is so bad compared to even my 6 year old Roccat Kone EMP. It can't even swap profiles automatically, like Roccat has been able to for years and years. I've had 3 Razer products, and they've all had some problems that products at that price point shouldn't have.
Haven't they always been? I've tried many other mice over the years, but my deathadder from ~2013 is still my favourite in terms of hand shape and component quality. Always a bit confused over the bashing razer often gets, but maybe it's because I've inadvertently skipped the last 10 years of razer mice.
@@bazookatooth I think around 2014 is when the unreliable mice came out. The Mambas, the Nagas, etc. They've definitely been improving since around 2016 though.
Rigidity is more of a feeling in hand/longevity of materials kind of thing. The perforation is for the weight which is a huge thing for enthusiasts which is clearly the target market. I heard on good authority that it feels almost identical to a normal viper in the hand.
@@MrTaunks it's the same reason people like leather steering wheels or stainless steel appliances; do they last longer, not necessarily, but they feel nicer and some people value a more premium feeling material on something they touch and hold all the time.
yeah, if only their software didnt suck. My Brand new Razer keyboard has been having key issues since 3 months in. Keys falling off. Software slow and crashes. Razer is not what they used to be. Real shame. Their old stuff used to be decent.
Did they put in a scroll wheel that actually works? Because hopefully they fixed it if money doesn't matter, since the £65 quid I paid or mine isn't enough for it to be functional
Amazing mouse, but Razer really missed the mark on why the Viper Mini was so popular. The price point. The shape is pretty safe but not for everyone, but at such a cheap price and just a solid overall mouse, it was very hyped and recommended widely. Unfortunately, Razer saw this as a kind of push for the best of the best in a mouse, influenced by the hypebeast Finalmouse magnesium alloy mice, and perhaps innovation by the likes of G-Wolves' many ambitious strides. They made this. Sure you can argue that the many polls taken by Razer to the community over the development caused this, but they were blindsided by buzzwords... lol anyways theyre working on a non magnesium one soon, for the average consumer.
They have announced that a normal plastic version will be released with 3995 sensor and optical switches same as their flagships like viper v2 pro and deathadder v3 pro
It's called a Halo product, it creates buzz and excitement that gets people in the door, even if their budget will land them on a cheaper product down the road. Razer has a mixed bag of reputation and I think they are trying to shake the cheap "gamery" reputation.
i wish i could get a bigger mouse with a bunch of side buttons, the only mouse with enough side buttons is the naga trinity, i need buttons for accessibility
Add me to the list. Using G604, and in my eyes it's perfect. Infinite-scroll wheel + ton of (well-placed) buttons, wireless, 1k Hz, and only needs 1 AA battery that lasts months. For me it's as close to perfection as there is. All these FPS mice can go in the bin, I have zero interest.
Right there with you. Feels much more accurate. I do tend to quiver ever so slightly and my super light mouse just makes it impossible to be accurate with.
I haven't liked razer since like 2012, though it could have been longer, I was a die hard fan before that. Every product I got after that was a disappointment. Quality went downhill fast.
@@calvintrinh4869 I tried a V2 Pro and didn't like how much louder the clicks are than my Model O wireless. I was willing to ignore that, but the back button also multi-clicked every time I single clicked AND the firmware update didn't give me 4K polling. I'd love to try the Viper Mini Signature, but being a limited signature edition- you can't just order one and try it out. :(
Razer makes some good hardware that is ruined by some really annoying software. I was in their ecosystem for a while and the the fact that I had to have two different versions of synapse on my pc for a mouse and keyboard that came out two years apart sucked. Also constant updates, glitchy lighting, settings not working until the software was running, and needing an email login for a mouse made me change all my peripherals.
I can verify that hubs, even good powered ones, DO make a difference with some equipment. I.e My Razer Nommos have issues (turning off randomly) when plugged into my separately powered USB extender, however they have 0 issues when plugged directly into the MOBO. Also, great video as always!
In this review he says " I don't know if there is that many devices that are magnesium alloy that come into contact with disgusting oily hands, it remains to be seen if finger grease will mess this bad boy up " Despite the fact that almost exactly 1 year ago he reviewed the Finalmouse Starlight 12 which is made out of the same material.... Did he forget that he has already used a mouse made out of this stuff? Or did the writers forget? Or both? I'm confused how this slipped through the cracks, considering this Razer mouse was made as a direct competitor to the Finalmouse 12 series.
"Logitech does have a replacement program"... yeah. No they don't. Lost my dongle and had to buy a new keyboard since they don't sell dongles separately. They rather render a 220€ wireless keyboard useless.
You're better off with a g pro for half the price if you want to go top notch with your mouse But to be fair, with 280 bucks you literally can buy your whole peripherals and have a good experience
nah. i would like a $1000 dollar mouse if not a $2000 dollar mouse for my daily work. Since im using it everyday for many hours, i would prefer the best of the best. this 280$ dollar feels like ass to me. only 1k+ or more mouse seems worth it. until i found a perfect $1k+ mouse to daily drive with. im not settling with this trash razer product. (sarcastic)
The huge fucking holes in the back is a big nope for me. Shit'd be pretty annoying in the beginning for sure. And IDK if anyone would actually get used to them. Why didn't they just go with the roccat route where they block the empty parts with a very thin layer of plastic. The marketing name for it was "bionic shell" I think.
Not ambidextrous-able and then there's that premium price. Use of "greatest" should be tempered in reviews -- at least generally to limit hyperbolic BS.
After many years of Logitech mice (and keyboards) I decided to give Razer a try with their Basilisk V3 mouse. Wowzers! I like it so much more than my Logitech stuff. I am probably still in the honeymoon stage of ownership but I don't think I have ever liked a mouse this much this fast before. I am considering giving one of their keyboards a try but don't have a good excuse to change out what I am using at this point.
It not going to last as your mouse. I did use a long time Logitech but did change for Razer what broke after a year got a new one what broke also. I did go back to Logitech.
My Razer 8K lasted 2 months before the scroll wheel gave out. Even the Glorious Model D that I gave away still works fine after 2 years and they're famous for bad QC and construction.
I wish more mouse makers made metal/plastic/resin scroll wheels Logitech is the only one but only for very specific models. The rubber on scroll wheels feel so bad when they deteriorate.
LTT should make a mouse training video. For example... Show us a few different games with good training parts where we could try our mouse with different configs like dpi, pulling rate, lift distance and how we should interpret the results... Because it's not only about one test, it's about doing it again and getting used to.. How much / how long should we test the configs and grip? How much is enough for us to know as much as David : I'm a 800 dpi guy.. Maybe it's a good idea.
I'm not going to promote another channel, but LTT is not the place you would want to go for something like this. They are extremely knowledgeable about tech, but not so much when it comes to taking your gaming to the next level with things like honing in your sensitivity/dpi, mouse grip etc.. You'd be much better off looking for some sort of RUclips guide by a pro/high level player for a game you play. David is entertaining and makes fun to watch videos, but he is not a great source for "mouse training".
@@NY-Vice I don't need pro tips to become pro player. Just basics on how to.. Which makes them a good choice to star especially with charismatic people on their videos. Not sure if I would like to watch a 3 hour seminar of a pro gamer cussing me and my family to just: GITGUD But thanks for the reply
y do peple bag out razer im still using my razer oroborus from 8 years ago the mouse still works and its better than most mouses on market. most of my raazer prodcuts still work after 5 years i got steel series mouse 1 month ago and the middle mouse button dont work. logictech so good y dose my razer products last longer. i still have my keypad from 8 years ago aswell still use it every day
Glass mousepads are more popular then ever, and also make much more sense than glass skates on cloth pads. Easier to change out ptfe skates than ruined cloth pads
Optimum tech did tests on razer's motionsync and straight up said it makes their wireless tech superior. I already don't like this guy as a presenter but the added smugness is just the icing on top. Please only give him joke products that he doesn't need any actual knowledge to review.
Funny that people talk shit about razer but I have never had a bad or faulty product from them and they are really all I bother to buy after getting less for more from other places.
The smart tracking feature seems a good idea! I have a Logitech g502 and it felt a bit stuttery with cheap mouse matts I corrected it by buying a Logitech mouse matt, anyway I would prefer if it was titanium haha
My razer viper mercury (which I paid 30 bucks) has it too, it can be optimized for the surface you're using, but honestly I find it useless, don't know if they did something different for this one
I'd say your sentiment is popular among most casual gamers. Super light mice are more geared towards sweaty ttv streamers, esport athletes and competitive players. I'm only semi sweaty but having so many options that fit my tiny hands is so nice tho though
Review is lacking a lot of important information and testing: -Repairability: How is it to take apart and put back together? -Switches: What kind? If not optical, what brand/model? Are they hot swappable? -Scroll wheel: How's it feel? Optical or mechanical? What encoder? -Are the profiles stored in on-board memory on the device, or just stored in their windows crapware? The entire market has solved wireless responsiveness and reliability and have more than ample polling rates, yet it's all they scream about in their marketing still. Meanwhile, most mousewheel encoders become unusable after 2 years of daily use, and a lot of mouse switches develop issues over that time (especially logitech, who are rumoured to overvolt them to make them wear out faster. see "logitech doubleclick"). I really REALLY hope you guys start doing real testing when "the lab" is ready but honestly, a lot of this could have been tested or looked at during the shoot.
man you have the hottest takes imaginable, first the sensor polling optimisation thing improves consistency and makes tracking better. second the plastic on the bottom is so that wireless is POSSIBLE in the first place and doesnt just randomly die. third the magnesium alloy was used in the starlight by finalmouse as well as a afew others in the past, they didnt have corrosion problems so why should this with a probably superior pain coating process? objectively the best hardware in a mouse shell today with one of the best mouse shells. im no razer shill and have 3 superlights but still...
also the pricetag is the same price as the starlight pretty much... as its ONLY competition in the market space is priced above it and there is never stock for it give it a bit more love would you?
Mice started out lightweight, then we literally started adding weights, now we're back to wanting lightweight, but even lighter. Reminds me of cellphones. In the beginning, big was bad. Then we got the Razr, the LG Chocolate, hooo doggy! Then they decided bigger was better and now we have giant bricks we all carry around, some fold in half because even that isn't big enough. Apparently. Tech preferences are kinda funny over time.
razer seems to be picking up their quality. i picked up their optical low profile keyboard. Its super amazing compared to the low profile from logi. Still gonna be rough to get away from this logi mouse tough with the charging mat i literally never have to plug this mouse in and its amazing. Almost thinking that mouse would be sick for shooters and have the regular one for everything else
A to c cords are still absolutely necessary, until they change all the usb ports to c which I can't see happening anytime soon especially on cheaper computers.
A LOT of vape mods are magnesium alloy. I quit vaping last year , started in 2015. From my experience the finishes never hold up for shit. I have a draw of mods that looks like they were in a war. Just from daily use.
No matter how good their products are I will not longer by a razor anything as they have dreadful customer service and they put me off their products for life. Wont go into it as could rant for ages.
They've been making Rims out of magnesium for in excess of 10 years now. No reason the alloy shouldn't be ultra premium. Unless its plated on something else. Which i would bet it is.
The top end Razer gaming mice have been excellent for the last few years at minimum so I am not sure why this host seemed so apprehensive at the beginning about a new high end Razer mouse. He also mentions Magnesium Alloy being used & how he doesn't know how it would stand up over long periods of use but fails to mention that Razer took this design idea from the Finalmouse Starlight, as well as a few other things. The Viper Mini SE was released as a direct competitor to the Finalmouse Starlight, as can be seen just by viewing the two mice or comparing specifications, so I think some comparisons (or even acknowledging the Finalmouse that inspired the Viper Mini SE) would have been useful. Sometimes LTT channels hit the nail right on the head when they have people like Anthony host a video about retro game consoles or Linux, but why is this host reviewing high end gaming mice when he seems to have little knowledge about it? I'm sure he is knowledgeable on other topics, it seems like he was put in a bad spot here. This is a top end enthusiast product meant to compete with an existing enthusiast level product, I would have liked to have seen a enthusiast review it like we do for so many other types of products on LTT channels.
You think? Well, I sure hope that's the case because this review lacked a lot of important information about the mouse, that definitely could have fit into the video without even lengthening it. Is the profile on-board or stuck in windows? What switches does it use? How's the scroll wheel? etc.
@@narwhal4304I looked up some of his previous mouse reviews which only made me more confused. In this review he says " I don't know if there is that many devices that are magnesium alloy that come into contact with disgusting oily hands, it remains to be seen if finger grease will mess this bad boy up " Despite the fact that almost exactly 1 year ago he reviewed the Finalmouse Starlight 12 which is made out of the same material.... Did he forget that he has already used a mouse made out of this stuff?
for such an expensive mouse, it looks ugly (at least in a video). perhaps that is not matters irl, but i feel my starlight phantom looks way better aesthetically, and they didnt waste money and the environment on a display box (that lets face it, most of us dont need or are not going to benefit from very much). plus my mouse is lighter weight. and cheaper maybe due to skipping the box? maybe you could cite some specific feature(s) differences, but i am so happy with the finalmouse, and it was first to market. and you know... if this is a run of 1337 units only? then that is also a lot worse available (unless there is another version that is not limited run). so i really dont get why choose this razer, but mostly for looking uglier + more expensive + almost 20* percent heavier? well maybe not 20, but perhaps 15 or something
but to sum it up: if the relative aesthics were a non issue (it is somewhat subjective matter i guess, and does not matter for actual function)... then this mouse would make a boat load more sense if they sold a version or variant without the hundred bucks value box, for about 100 bucks less. and if they (or the reviewers) dropped the rhetoric that it's the first or only mouse with a magnesium alloy chassis, the ripoff of a finalmouse starlight which that design cue was so blatently taken from.... then it would be hardly anything at all left to quibble about. now does that sound so unreasonable? (but i would still prefer my finalmouse phantom btw... its just an amazing satisfying product to use. every single day. (and very dependable / reliable too, they had solved all of the issues by that time)
Magnesium is a metal that in time will evaporate on it own. And it is flammable it is what they make road flares out of. Now other metals rot away but not magnesium it goes to a gaseous state. So the metal part that craps the finish off the magnesium exposes the metal starting the evaporation. Now you can use clear finger nail polish to seal it back up and you should. And if you smoke keep it away from the mouse because that would be a really bad fire that your home fire extinguisher may not put out.
Is it weird that for a new mouse, hotswappable switches is almost make or break? I mean my keyboard can, why not my mouse? If I want a premium product, I should be able to service that product myself, easily. Especially as a tech enthusiast. This kind of gatekeeping is a real turn off.
Never understood why your mouse must be so lightweight. A bit of weight lets you be more accurate. Just get used to higher DPI settings and you dont need to have its to light as you dont have to move it so much.
The most impressive feature a mouse can have is not using the skates as screw covers.
is there any cause all mine are covered
@@doomslayerforever2858 cuz you can repair it when it dies, and trust me IT WILL DIE.
I bought a Razor Deathadder 2....it was garbage. Clicks were inconsistent and it felt crap. I returned it.
@@sagames12 He's asking if there are any gaming mice that don't have mouse feet covering the screws.
@@mbsfaridi typically not because both mouse skates and screws want to be at the edge of the base and you'd typically not expect consumers to take it apart
I like the steel-wheel i hope other brands implement it. The plastic ones are such gunk collectors and are impossible to thoroughly clean.
The metal ones just corrode though
@@craigjamroz7585 yeah you get a nice scroll wheel but you’ll also be playing with a mouse the weight of 17 bricks
@@craigjamroz7585 I liked how my MX Master could handle it. If you scrolled fast the wheel would unlock but going slowly you could use regular steps. I had other problems with it but the scroll wheel is the best I've used.
And some of them has rubber.
@@henkheijmen If it's 304 stainless, it should outlast everyone watching this video.
If only Razer put as much effort into their products as they did for their packaging
Edit: I've never actually used a Razer product before KEKW
They do
@@riba2233 if they do, how come most of their products are pretty bad?
They have a super-durable magnesium alloy shell, but I bet the microswitches still only last 9 months tops.
logitech cares way to much aswell, but here we are watching an unboxing
@@riba2233 no they don’t the only product I’ve ever enjoyed from them is the viper ult, everything else they have is really overpriced and low quality and I hate it.
Optimum tech did a test on the smart tracking thing and it does make the signal much more consistent although it only makes a small difference but in the end small differences are still differences
only important for pro gamer 10-14yr olds
not a real world difference though.
@@doomslayerforever2858 not even important for them lol. no real world difference.
If anything, this makes me wish we could have a controller with a premium high poll rate gyroscope.
Dude, it's crazy to see you in the wild.
@@davinwilliams3130 I’m in LTT comments all the time, though.
@@Neoxon619 his comment section is too full for me to find anyone.
Your forgot to note that it has to be hall sensing joysticks too.
Dualsense are high poll rate gyro, but they stick drift.
Ps5 controllers can be overclocked to 1000hz polling rate on pc
Should have the Lab test the glass feet vs the ptfe feet.
Make it a short
Didn't this guy 'meh' on a Starlight mice? Charge him $100 more dollars, make it come from Razer, make it EVEN more limited, give it to him more than a full year later with some minor generational upgrades on the sensor, and he'll gush over it.
Razer philosophy 🤣
$280?!? had me excited about it the whole video until you dropped that bomb.
its 1 of 1337 limited edition you probably wont find it so...
@@peteriddqd makes sense. I thought it was going to be a mass produced product.
@@M4rio21 probably later
@@peteriddqd no its not
@@M4rio21 it is
Im a simple man, i see the ball of amazing chaos that is David and i click.
This is my kind of mouse right here. Any every day item that can be used as a weapon is my kind of product. 😂
the gold controller would be a better bet
280 for a mini mouse are we drunk?
I wouldn't worry about corrosion. the anodizing process creates a protective layer on the alloy.
Have light marks rubbed into my plastic mice / keyboards, so expect anodizing probably would also come off with time. The oxidation might give it an interesting aged look though, depending if you like that
@@gqqggq7127 well, magnesium and aluminium oxides are incredibly hard materials
The problem is screw points. The screws can scrape off the layer and create corrosion points. Hey, but this is just speculation, I don't really know. Probably not a problem if you don't disassemble it to change switches, for example.
@GQQ GGQ magnesium doesn't corrode like other metals and give a patina. It creates a white powder that comes off easily and can "worm hole" aka continue to corrode deeper into the material unless dealt with instead of creating a protective coating itself like other metals might when they oxidize
Anything is better than "soft-touch" plastic. Even rust. However with aluminium body, rust is not issue anyway.
As cool as this mouse is, its kind of a slap in the face for people waiting for a 'normal' Viper Mini Wireless.
It's coming later, dw
@@indmur this aged like milk
I'd not trust even Razer's "premium" products to be good. I have their 200$ Basilisk Ultimate, and the scroll wheel is so bad. Because of their adjustable resistance gimmick, the scroll wheel is super loose, and it double scrolls, skips steps, and the steps are uneven. And the software is so bad compared to even my 6 year old Roccat Kone EMP. It can't even swap profiles automatically, like Roccat has been able to for years and years. I've had 3 Razer products, and they've all had some problems that products at that price point shouldn't have.
The past couple gens of the Viper and deathadder have been really good. Razer mice are actually top tier these days.
Ageee. I have a v2 pro wireless and it’s the best mouse I’ve owned yet
Haven't they always been? I've tried many other mice over the years, but my deathadder from ~2013 is still my favourite in terms of hand shape and component quality. Always a bit confused over the bashing razer often gets, but maybe it's because I've inadvertently skipped the last 10 years of razer mice.
@@bazookatooththe last 10 years of razer mice die within 2-3 years.
@@bazookatooth I think around 2014 is when the unreliable mice came out. The Mambas, the Nagas, etc. They've definitely been improving since around 2016 though.
@@DankMemes-xq2xm Yea 2013 to 2018 was not a good few years for Razer. Was after when their mice actually started to have some quality to them again.
I forgot that the main gamer complaint is that their mouse shell isn’t rigid and perforated enough.
Rigidity is more of a feeling in hand/longevity of materials kind of thing.
The perforation is for the weight which is a huge thing for enthusiasts which is clearly the target market. I heard on good authority that it feels almost identical to a normal viper in the hand.
the plastic they were using before outlasted the switches anyway so what does the shell's material matter anyway?
@@MrTaunks it's the same reason people like leather steering wheels or stainless steel appliances; do they last longer, not necessarily, but they feel nicer and some people value a more premium feeling material on something they touch and hold all the time.
@@MrTaunks I get what you're saying but switches can be replaced though, which I assume you would do if that happened to a 300 dollar mouse of yours.
yeah, if only their software didnt suck.
My Brand new Razer keyboard has been having key issues since 3 months in. Keys falling off. Software slow and crashes. Razer is not what they used to be. Real shame. Their old stuff used to be decent.
12:40 - Audio Engineer note: the Mic is clipping a ton here.
Not for me? Maybe it's on your end
Did they put in a scroll wheel that actually works? Because hopefully they fixed it if money doesn't matter, since the £65 quid I paid or mine isn't enough for it to be functional
Amazing mouse, but Razer really missed the mark on why the Viper Mini was so popular. The price point. The shape is pretty safe but not for everyone, but at such a cheap price and just a solid overall mouse, it was very hyped and recommended widely.
Unfortunately, Razer saw this as a kind of push for the best of the best in a mouse, influenced by the hypebeast Finalmouse magnesium alloy mice, and perhaps innovation by the likes of G-Wolves' many ambitious strides. They made this.
Sure you can argue that the many polls taken by Razer to the community over the development caused this, but they were blindsided by buzzwords... lol anyways theyre working on a non magnesium one soon, for the average consumer.
They have announced that a normal plastic version will be released with 3995 sensor and optical switches same as their flagships like viper v2 pro and deathadder v3 pro
just wait a year it will be $150
@@Tirth-Patel Yep. 2 more models coming in early summer. The Pro variant and a third probably more budget friendly variant.
Its a signature edition. Why would it be cheap?
It's called a Halo product, it creates buzz and excitement that gets people in the door, even if their budget will land them on a cheaper product down the road. Razer has a mixed bag of reputation and I think they are trying to shake the cheap "gamery" reputation.
Pretty 1337 mouse indeed, 4k polling rate wireless and extra skates are pretty sweet.
Edit: omg the price though!
It's also one of the top flipper items out there now. You can't get one anywhere unless you pay a flipper for it.
An expensive product from Razer? What's new?
i wish i could get a bigger mouse with a bunch of side buttons, the only mouse with enough side buttons is the naga trinity, i need buttons for accessibility
Same, I've gotten used to having at least 7 thumb buttons because of the wired trinity
Add me to the list. Using G604, and in my eyes it's perfect. Infinite-scroll wheel + ton of (well-placed) buttons, wireless, 1k Hz, and only needs 1 AA battery that lasts months. For me it's as close to perfection as there is. All these FPS mice can go in the bin, I have zero interest.
@@eagleeye7166 yuppp
@@gqqggq7127 i miss the Logitech scroll wheel lmao
Yeah its expensive at $280. Only if u can even find one for sale anymore since its a limited run mouse.
He doesn't want to use a hub because of a very small chance of error. But then uses a wireless mouse?
Yeah they are pretty reliable these days
Looks awesome, but I prefer a very heavy mouse. I know I'm weird for it, but it is what it is.
Right there with you. Feels much more accurate. I do tend to quiver ever so slightly and my super light mouse just makes it impossible to be accurate with.
I haven't liked razer since like 2012, though it could have been longer, I was a die hard fan before that. Every product I got after that was a disappointment. Quality went downhill fast.
If there's standard size version, I would buy it at a heart beat.
I agree mini size is not for me. I get that larger is more weight, but the larger size is worth the comfort to me
Viper v2 pro, compatible with 4khz polling, no holes but 10g heavier and has a plastic body imo isnt much of a difference
@@calvintrinh4869 I tried a V2 Pro and didn't like how much louder the clicks are than my Model O wireless. I was willing to ignore that, but the back button also multi-clicked every time I single clicked AND the firmware update didn't give me 4K polling.
I'd love to try the Viper Mini Signature, but being a limited signature edition- you can't just order one and try it out. :(
@@joshiepooh you can replace the v3 optical switches with the v2 versions which I hear helps with the sound.
I still rock a Microsoft gaming mouse from like 2008. Best mouse I ever had.
Razer makes some good hardware that is ruined by some really annoying software. I was in their ecosystem for a while and the the fact that I had to have two different versions of synapse on my pc for a mouse and keyboard that came out two years apart sucked. Also constant updates, glitchy lighting, settings not working until the software was running, and needing an email login for a mouse made me change all my peripherals.
I don' t really like the whole Razer stuff. But they are one of the only one's that actually makes left handed mouses of some decent quality.
I'd pick it up if it were larger. My hands can palm very large baby heads, so I need something a little more substantial underneath my mitts.
Mag alloy has been common in construction tools for years with no noticeable corrosion in the areas I touch.
Well magnesium is theoretically reactive. Maybe its reactive to specific stuff that the source the video referred to came across a lot? Idk.
awesome piece - happy that i was able to place my order today! order arriving between 27th and 31st this month - cant wait for it
I can verify that hubs, even good powered ones, DO make a difference with some equipment. I.e My Razer Nommos have issues (turning off randomly) when plugged into my separately powered USB extender, however they have 0 issues when plugged directly into the MOBO. Also, great video as always!
In this review he says " I don't know if there is that many devices that are magnesium alloy that come into contact with disgusting oily hands, it remains to be seen if finger grease will mess this bad boy up " Despite the fact that almost exactly 1 year ago he reviewed the Finalmouse Starlight 12 which is made out of the same material.... Did he forget that he has already used a mouse made out of this stuff? Or did the writers forget? Or both? I'm confused how this slipped through the cracks, considering this Razer mouse was made as a direct competitor to the Finalmouse 12 series.
David is one of the most engaging presenters. I'm ready for every word he's got to say.
"Logitech does have a replacement program"... yeah. No they don't. Lost my dongle and had to buy a new keyboard since they don't sell dongles separately. They rather render a 220€ wireless keyboard useless.
Pricey but for something many of us use for hours a day it seems worth it. Also comes with a nice stash box.
You're better off with a g pro for half the price if you want to go top notch with your mouse
But to be fair, with 280 bucks you literally can buy your whole peripherals and have a good experience
nah. i would like a $1000 dollar mouse if not a $2000 dollar mouse for my daily work. Since im using it everyday for many hours, i would prefer the best of the best. this 280$ dollar feels like ass to me. only 1k+ or more mouse seems worth it. until i found a perfect $1k+ mouse to daily drive with. im not settling with this trash razer product. (sarcastic)
The original Viper Mini has the exact same shape, only 10gr heavier and of course, wired, BUT it's only $25...
The huge fucking holes in the back is a big nope for me. Shit'd be pretty annoying in the beginning for sure. And IDK if anyone would actually get used to them. Why didn't they just go with the roccat route where they block the empty parts with a very thin layer of plastic. The marketing name for it was "bionic shell" I think.
A razer mouse I bought came with an amazing stash tin that I still use for stashing 4 years after I sold the mouse
Not ambidextrous-able and then there's that premium price. Use of "greatest" should be tempered in reviews -- at least generally to limit hyperbolic BS.
After many years of Logitech mice (and keyboards) I decided to give Razer a try with their Basilisk V3 mouse. Wowzers! I like it so much more than my Logitech stuff. I am probably still in the honeymoon stage of ownership but I don't think I have ever liked a mouse this much this fast before. I am considering giving one of their keyboards a try but don't have a good excuse to change out what I am using at this point.
It not going to last as your mouse. I did use a long time Logitech but did change for Razer what broke after a year got a new one what broke also. I did go back to Logitech.
Synapse is a POS though
@@fieldrat9046 yeah thats why i only use it for my keyboard i had the mouse side of razer
My Razer 8K lasted 2 months before the scroll wheel gave out. Even the Glorious Model D that I gave away still works fine after 2 years and they're famous for bad QC and construction.
@@simmysims9209 Depends on how you use the mouse lol, i have had a viper ultimate for 2 years and still works great
80% of the price is that box.......
I wish more mouse makers made metal/plastic/resin scroll wheels Logitech is the only one but only for very specific models. The rubber on scroll wheels feel so bad when they deteriorate.
Ehhhh, I'd rather keep my G305 that I modded to have hot swappable switches and lightweight. Over 5 years and still kicking butts.
LTT should make a mouse training video.
For example... Show us a few different games with good training parts where we could try our mouse with different configs like dpi, pulling rate, lift distance and how we should interpret the results... Because it's not only about one test, it's about doing it again and getting used to.. How much / how long should we test the configs and grip? How much is enough for us to know as much as David : I'm a 800 dpi guy..
Maybe it's a good idea.
I'm not going to promote another channel, but LTT is not the place you would want to go for something like this. They are extremely knowledgeable about tech, but not so much when it comes to taking your gaming to the next level with things like honing in your sensitivity/dpi, mouse grip etc.. You'd be much better off looking for some sort of RUclips guide by a pro/high level player for a game you play. David is entertaining and makes fun to watch videos, but he is not a great source for "mouse training".
@@NY-Vice I don't need pro tips to become pro player. Just basics on how to.. Which makes them a good choice to star especially with charismatic people on their videos.
Not sure if I would like to watch a 3 hour seminar of a pro gamer cussing me and my family to just: GITGUD
But thanks for the reply
y do peple bag out razer im still using my razer oroborus from 8 years ago the mouse still works and its better than most mouses on market. most of my raazer prodcuts still work after 5 years i got steel series mouse 1 month ago and the middle mouse button dont work. logictech so good y dose my razer products last longer. i still have my keypad from 8 years ago aswell still use it every day
I remember for a hot minute glass mouse pads were all the rage. Using glass sliders on one of this is making my hair stand up just thinking about it 😬
Ice mat and Steel mat baby!
Glass mousepads are more popular then ever, and also make much more sense than glass skates on cloth pads. Easier to change out ptfe skates than ruined cloth pads
Optimum tech did tests on razer's motionsync and straight up said it makes their wireless tech superior. I already don't like this guy as a presenter but the added smugness is just the icing on top. Please only give him joke products that he doesn't need any actual knowledge to review.
I managed to get one at retail price and then sold it on eBay for $800. Nice deal. Thanks Razer.
proof or it never happened
Funny that people talk shit about razer but I have never had a bad or faulty product from them and they are really all I bother to buy after getting less for more from other places.
The smart tracking feature seems a good idea! I have a Logitech g502 and it felt a bit stuttery with cheap mouse matts I corrected it by buying a Logitech mouse matt, anyway I would prefer if it was titanium haha
My razer viper mercury (which I paid 30 bucks) has it too, it can be optimized for the surface you're using, but honestly I find it useless, don't know if they did something different for this one
Logitech also has some sort of surface tracking in the software not sure how well it works though
A titanium mouse? I think its too expensive to machine titanium lol
@@sid6645 I'm pretty sure they're talking about a titanium pad my g
Razer's great if you're a 64-year-old queer Unicorn Puke RGB freak like myself. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother.
I know a lot of people disagree, but I prefer mice with some weight to them. It would be nice to see new higher end ones that aren't super light
I'd say your sentiment is popular among most casual gamers. Super light mice are more geared towards sweaty ttv streamers, esport athletes and competitive players.
I'm only semi sweaty but having so many options that fit my tiny hands is so nice tho though
Thanks for unsubscribing me, RUclips.
Review is lacking a lot of important information and testing:
-Repairability: How is it to take apart and put back together?
-Switches: What kind? If not optical, what brand/model? Are they hot swappable?
-Scroll wheel: How's it feel? Optical or mechanical? What encoder?
-Are the profiles stored in on-board memory on the device, or just stored in their windows crapware?
The entire market has solved wireless responsiveness and reliability and have more than ample polling rates, yet it's all they scream about in their marketing still. Meanwhile, most mousewheel encoders become unusable after 2 years of daily use, and a lot of mouse switches develop issues over that time (especially logitech, who are rumoured to overvolt them to make them wear out faster. see "logitech doubleclick"). I really REALLY hope you guys start doing real testing when "the lab" is ready but honestly, a lot of this could have been tested or looked at during the shoot.
This is not a review mate, it`s just an unboxing and first impressions, they just happen to add some specs every now and then.
its an unboxing and first impressions. Thats what this channel is.
It's a razer - what repairability do you think it has? They build devices to last until the end of the warranty.
Razer could make a peripheral that cures all deseases and let you live forever, if it requieres razer synapse(etc) I still wouldnt ever buy it
Ptfe feet has to be smoother. The glass feet are probably just there as an option because they should last forever.
Well, pro cameras are made of magnesium aloy, right? Some are even waterproof, I dont think its an issue.
man you have the hottest takes imaginable,
first the sensor polling optimisation thing improves consistency and makes tracking better.
second the plastic on the bottom is so that wireless is POSSIBLE in the first place and doesnt just randomly die.
third the magnesium alloy was used in the starlight by finalmouse as well as a afew others in the past, they didnt have corrosion problems so why should this with a probably superior pain coating process?
objectively the best hardware in a mouse shell today with one of the best mouse shells.
im no razer shill and have 3 superlights but still...
also the pricetag is the same price as the starlight pretty much... as its ONLY competition in the market space is priced above it and there is never stock for it give it a bit more love would you?
How much caffeine does David consume?
Mice started out lightweight, then we literally started adding weights, now we're back to wanting lightweight, but even lighter.
Reminds me of cellphones. In the beginning, big was bad. Then we got the Razr, the LG Chocolate, hooo doggy! Then they decided bigger was better and now we have giant bricks we all carry around, some fold in half because even that isn't big enough. Apparently.
Tech preferences are kinda funny over time.
they can make it as cheap as they want, as long as synapse is the buggy mess that it is It's impossible to consider this.
I hope they make a normal wireless mini, much preferred with a DPI button (incredibly useful macro) and removal batteries (significantly cheaper)
bet the switches in it still only last a year at most and bet it still doesn't have any debounce circuitry... lol...
razer seems to be picking up their quality. i picked up their optical low profile keyboard. Its super amazing compared to the low profile from logi. Still gonna be rough to get away from this logi mouse tough with the charging mat i literally never have to plug this mouse in and its amazing. Almost thinking that mouse would be sick for shooters and have the regular one for everything else
i have the razer huntsman tournament but use a xtrfy mouse
Can we call it Pleather again? “Vegan Leather” is an oil executives word for fancy plastic.
A to c cords are still absolutely necessary, until they change all the usb ports to c which I can't see happening anytime soon especially on cheaper computers.
Ah yes, the proper material for the most proper paperweight which will die 1 day after warranty ends.
Fun watching reviews for products that none of us can buy.
Yeah, good luck getting it at that price. Scalpers.
$1,000 here in the UK atm.
Love seeing David excited about stuff. Must underrated LTT members.
$280, ouch, I wouldn't have watched this video if I knew that from the get go
David is such a great host :)
A LOT of vape mods are magnesium alloy. I quit vaping last year , started in 2015. From my experience the finishes never hold up for shit. I have a draw of mods that looks like they were in a war. Just from daily use.
Knowing Razer quality as of late, the mouse has a lifespan of 367 days.
No matter how good their products are I will not longer by a razor anything as they have dreadful customer service and they put me off their products for life. Wont go into it as could rant for ages.
David is a great presenter, he’s lots of fun on this side of the camera
They've been making Rims out of magnesium for in excess of 10 years now. No reason the alloy shouldn't be ultra premium. Unless its plated on something else. Which i would bet it is.
The top end Razer gaming mice have been excellent for the last few years at minimum so I am not sure why this host seemed so apprehensive at the beginning about a new high end Razer mouse. He also mentions Magnesium Alloy being used & how he doesn't know how it would stand up over long periods of use but fails to mention that Razer took this design idea from the Finalmouse Starlight, as well as a few other things. The Viper Mini SE was released as a direct competitor to the Finalmouse Starlight, as can be seen just by viewing the two mice or comparing specifications, so I think some comparisons (or even acknowledging the Finalmouse that inspired the Viper Mini SE) would have been useful. Sometimes LTT channels hit the nail right on the head when they have people like Anthony host a video about retro game consoles or Linux, but why is this host reviewing high end gaming mice when he seems to have little knowledge about it? I'm sure he is knowledgeable on other topics, it seems like he was put in a bad spot here. This is a top end enthusiast product meant to compete with an existing enthusiast level product, I would have liked to have seen a enthusiast review it like we do for so many other types of products on LTT channels.
Because David is actually clueless about mice, plain and simple. Idk why they let him do this...
You think? Well, I sure hope that's the case because this review lacked a lot of important information about the mouse, that definitely could have fit into the video without even lengthening it. Is the profile on-board or stuck in windows? What switches does it use? How's the scroll wheel? etc.
@@narwhal4304I looked up some of his previous mouse reviews which only made me more confused. In this review he says " I don't know if there is that many devices that are magnesium alloy that come into contact with disgusting oily hands, it remains to be seen if finger grease will mess this bad boy up " Despite the fact that almost exactly 1 year ago he reviewed the Finalmouse Starlight 12 which is made out of the same material.... Did he forget that he has already used a mouse made out of this stuff?
The original Viper Mini has the exact same shape, only 10gr heavier and of course, wired, BUT it's only $25...
there is fake leather, and leather. No such thing as vegan leather😂
Definiton of razer .1000€ produkt that break after 1 yer
I would have went with helicopter parts instead of premium laptops....
for such an expensive mouse, it looks ugly (at least in a video). perhaps that is not matters irl, but i feel my starlight phantom looks way better aesthetically, and they didnt waste money and the environment on a display box (that lets face it, most of us dont need or are not going to benefit from very much). plus my mouse is lighter weight. and cheaper maybe due to skipping the box? maybe you could cite some specific feature(s) differences, but i am so happy with the finalmouse, and it was first to market. and you know... if this is a run of 1337 units only? then that is also a lot worse available (unless there is another version that is not limited run). so i really dont get why choose this razer, but mostly for looking uglier + more expensive + almost 20* percent heavier? well maybe not 20, but perhaps 15 or something
but to sum it up: if the relative aesthics were a non issue (it is somewhat subjective matter i guess, and does not matter for actual function)... then this mouse would make a boat load more sense if they sold a version or variant without the hundred bucks value box, for about 100 bucks less. and if they (or the reviewers) dropped the rhetoric that it's the first or only mouse with a magnesium alloy chassis, the ripoff of a finalmouse starlight which that design cue was so blatently taken from.... then it would be hardly anything at all left to quibble about. now does that sound so unreasonable?
(but i would still prefer my finalmouse phantom btw... its just an amazing satisfying product to use. every single day. (and very dependable / reliable too, they had solved all of the issues by that time)
I have a hate/love relationship with Razer. Death Adder is the only comfortable mouse I can use as a big hand boi
$199 maybe, but $280 is purely a rich person tax to make them more money
every razer product i’ve ever had has broken on me, it’s a no from me
Dang. My wired Corsair mouse was 35 bucks.
That's s no go for me Razor.
Razer has the worst QC I've ever experienced in my life.
just wait for the non signature edition version its gonna come out
So they took a finalmouse and made it more expensive, lol
You made i Typo in the Thumbnail. It should say "Mental"
Nice. Now all the nasty mess will not just be on the mouse.. But also in the mouse 😄 That will be so much fun to clean 😂
Single air pump is fine
Magnesium is a metal that in time will evaporate on it own. And it is flammable it is what they make road flares out of. Now other metals rot away but not magnesium it goes to a gaseous state. So the metal part that craps the finish off the magnesium exposes the metal starting the evaporation. Now you can use clear finger nail polish to seal it back up and you should. And if you smoke keep it away from the mouse because that would be a really bad fire that your home fire extinguisher may not put out.
Well to be fair steel is much less volatile than iron in a typical environment. It's not pure magnesium or a powdered magnesium compound.
I’d love David to do a review of the keychron M3 wireless someday. It looks like a better g pro wireless that’s cheaper
ok, but have you seen any good movies lately??
Finalmouse, just Razer’s version. Lmao
I would let David play with my mouse anytime
Is it weird that for a new mouse, hotswappable switches is almost make or break? I mean my keyboard can, why not my mouse? If I want a premium product, I should be able to service that product myself, easily. Especially as a tech enthusiast. This kind of gatekeeping is a real turn off.
Never understood why your mouse must be so lightweight. A bit of weight lets you be more accurate. Just get used to higher DPI settings and you dont need to have its to light as you dont have to move it so much.
More weight=less accurate
Less weight = easier to move, stop, start, etc. high sens = less accurate. iron rank opinion ^