I just wish these modern routers would look a little less like an upside down glowing cyber-spider and more like something i can set up in the house without it scaring the dog.
Can yall do a video comparing speeds and features and testing from like the "gaming routuers" vs Home made routers using like PfSense etc? I want to know which is better and what is recommended.
The thing is with a software router like pf/opnsense it all depends on the hardware you buy. I mean you can compare a router like this with the router they have in the Rack. However that router does not do wifi and just route IPs on Physical links. Where as this is basically just geared for home use and over the Air stuff. Its hard if not impossible to do a comparison especially if you wanna have/see wifi numbers, because this is just not what pf/opnsense are build for.
The prices of all these Wifi 6 routers / access points is getting kind of ridiculous. It's made me think about building something that I can upgrade later by buying a new M.2 wifi card. Annoyingly, the Intel AX200/AX210 cards stop you using them in AP mode.
Home made routers like pfsense are going to be much faster in my experience. I would get 5 ms less with pfsense and also 100 mbps more on upload and download
One point that reviewers never talk about is the company support for their routers over the years. I've been using TPLink until last year, but their abandoning a lot of their routers. I've switched to Asus, and their support for old routers is impressive! Not to mention the option to install a open source version of their firmware.
Just FYI - most TP-Link devices do have first class dd-wrt and OpenWRT support, just look for the Qualcomm based ones. As for Asus - they also stop updating their devices' firmware after 2-3 years; i.e. I have a perfectly capable 4G-AC53U LTE-A modem/AC wifi router combo, which launched for 200€. 4 core CPU, 256mb RAM, 128mb flash - doesn't recieve any updates anymore!
@@Psychx_ In case the of the Asus routers, the open source firmware is basically the same as the closed source version, but usually with more features still under testing. For the TP-Link routers, they suffers a lot using open/dd-wrt. In most cases I just switched back to the stock firmware. And, well, one of my Asus routers is 5 years old, and still receiving updates.
I've seen many routers/access points that don't even let the user choose their own DNS server or LAN domain. It would be nice if a router review actually covered whether such things are present.
@@PestifeR it's not strictly unboxing, they are clearly setting it up and going over some features. I don't think @Psychx is asking anything that would feel out of place.
I would love to see a comparison between top tier consumer routers like this in contrast to more mid-tier mesh network consumer routers like Google Wi-Fi. Would the average speed and reliability be better with a top tier individual router or a mid-tier mesh network?
Then they wouldn't get any more sponsors lmfao, it's minimal difference between top tier and decent one, it's like those gaming headphones they are scamming customers with pointless features and make it feel premium to trick non tech savvy consumer
@@Simon-tr9hv at a range that you get a 10th of the speed (of being right next to the router) on the top tier router, do you not think that a mid tier mesh network would do better? Honestly asking. I have the 1st and 2nd gen Google/nest wifi and want to update eventually to Wi-Fi 6 (E) and am deciding between one high-end router like this or a mid tier mesh network costing a similar amount.
Well the Google Wi-Fi is a complete piece of garbage. Generally you can rely on any "smart home" themed router being basically useless compared to other similarly-priced routers.
I got a TP-Link Archer AX75 for $160usd a few months ago and the performance has been phenomenal. I have about 24 devices on a .25 acre lot, 3.5 gamers in the house. I am using two AX mesh extenders - one covers a dead spot for a camera and the other acts as a bridge for a PS4 and PC to make remote play from my PS5 actually work. I almost paid $200 for the AXE version but none of my devices can use 6ghz and, based on this video, none of the devices I plan on replacing in the next few years would even take advantage of the new band.
@@shubhamadtp well both, I suppose. I have three kids that all like to game, as do I, but the youngest doesn't do much else besides Minecraft on various devices. So he's about half a gamer in this situation, really not using up much bandwidth.
To be honest, WiFi is kinda sus at least for Czech Republic. Most routers on 5GHz are only channel 36-48, so not great and as an example tplink has to dynamically switch between its DFS channels to avoid interference to radars. So, congested channels 36-48 it is. So there isn't much point of getting a router like this, most router will behave kinda same, so basically poorly on wireless 😂
My ISP provides the cheapest PoS router possible with like a 10ft range on the signal. Like seriously - it can't even pass through a wall, so if you go outside the front door literally 5 feet from the router you'll lose connection to it. So we bridged a higher end model to it with a much stronger signal. My ISP lost its shit. "You can't do that! It's causing errors in our router that are backing up to the gateway to your area, and the signal strength on our router is just fine for your house."
@@Dyonivan As someone who works for one of those said ISPs in the engineering dept. I can assure you, it's pretty much industry standard to go with the cheapest alternative. But thats for a lot of reasons. Anytime someone gets internet I always recommend they get the cheapest thing cause it'll be by default better than we provide...
-in home PC installer here - I definitely explain the difference in WiFi bands as "highway lanes" , you know its a good analogy when old people understand it
i just wish you guys from the channel could make a wifi router comparison so we can know if there are any differences between asus wifi, msi wifi, acer wifi (if there are) and etc. and who's better among those wifi routers
at that price why not just get the dream machine instead, and start creating your own home network, i got mine used for $200. it's hard to find used, but the base one i think goes for $300. and you can fully customized everything in your network.
agreed. the amount of data available to the end user and customizability is better than virtually all other prosumer devices. The inventory availability is just so bad.
@@Alcoholic_Nerd I just started looking on Newegg for prices, all these 24 dollar ones are only 300Mbps, but it also looks as if WiFi 5 is the one I have. I dont have a WiFi 6 router yet, but I'm fine with that. None of my equipment that really uses Wifi needs ax.
I have a question. Can you test out these Fast Routers by connecting two routers to two different PCs and then instead of checking download speeds on the speedtest website just simply transfer a file in between the two PCs that are connected to these two routers. That way maybe we can get a different aspect of the routers application to see if the router can also manage workplaces on PCs as well and file transfers between PCs and etc
I dont think you will get anything good from it. Its Wifi6 still. Your PC/Laptop must have Wifi6 to even achieve 300mbs+ transfer speed between local pc/nas.. ruclips.net/video/mwWM5dAY9Ro/видео.html
@@toytulog576 yeah but if we have 10gigabit network ports on the two PCs then maybe we can check the theoritical speed of the router if we transfer file from one PC to another using the routers
@@Woodz_007 then if you are using Wired and not wireless. Why not just buy a 10G Network Switch? Connect all your wired connection on it. Then you can transfer files between 2 PC connected on same switch.. You can just buy a wireless router and still connect them to Network Switch (if you want your wifi device to connect on same network switch as wired one). I have this setup. The only wired connected on my ISP Modem, is the 10G Network Switch then 3 Wired PC and PS5 + 1 Wifi Router Device connected on my Network switch. (Disabled ISP Modem Wifi)
@@amirhadis1698 No they won't. Routers using the Wifi 6e branding are already worse than the ones that spell out their compatibility. Companies will just start using "Wifi 7" as soon as they can get away with it, not when it's an actual upgrade.
I hope you guys will review TP Links new WIFI 7 routers. They look insane as far as specs. Definitely waiting for that review!!! BTW: Love the Finnegan Speed and Marine shirt Jake haha !
As a simple home user the price is to much , i get it some people do use it's full potential , but for most people a 100$ ish TP link or any other wifi 6 router is enough , i still like it don't get me wrong.
You’re totally right. Got myself a 100€ tp link WiFi 6 router off eBay (I think ax73 is the name) and this thing suits my needs perfectly! Even has dyndns built in!
PSA: regarding slower download speed vs faster upload speed, like he was seeing. In the case of my linksys router, when I turned OFF the 'media prioritization' feature, I went from 400mb down to 950mb. I'm assuming because the router was no longer looking at every packet to determine prioritization, slowing it down. Or, maybe just a lot of things weren't getting correctly prioritized.
I actually just turned the QoS stuff off on my Asus router after reading this, and it did in fact dramatically increase my overall speed in a speed test
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Companies that put out these routers need to add little optional modules that enable different modems, ADSL2+, VDSL+ for those that don't have NBN access, i hate having two routers with one in bridging mode just to use the router i want. Yet it's often the easiest way to solve the issue.
Please, please, please, test the coverage of this routers in your office or labs. I bought a $400 Asus router and I need to use a $20 Tenda router as a wireless access point, because the Asus is a joke in terms of coverage. They have all the bells and whistles, but are unable to cover even a fairly small house. Don't even get me going about the 5GHz that is basically usable only in the same room as the router. They need to be exposed and forced to have some kind of metric for the coverage in the specifications. The most important thing is basically missing. I hate pointing to my channel in a comment and it feels quite wrong, but if anybody does not believe me, I have a video uploaded. I hope someone from LTT sees this comment and you guys make coverage testing a thing. It would be a game changer, honestly.
One point these videos always miss is if you can figure qos on your router is that qos is really only obeyed in your local network once it goes to your ISP they will either strip the qos or ignore it And the one thing that this home qos does is it will take your internet speed and then cap it out so if you have a gig they'll Reserve maybe a hundred Megs for overhead that way you have a more streamline experience while overall lowering the speeds of the network
Generally you configure your Internet connection's top speed in your router's QoS settings so while it does cap it, you don't notice that the speed has been capped. I would also argue that QoS at the chokepoint that is your Internet connection matters more there than it does at your ISP.
My Fritz!Box home router does this type of network QoS priorization since at least 2013 and usually also contains a modem… Please do an unboxing of one of these AVM products!
Is this 3rd party firmware friendly? Thinking it may be getting close to time to replace the Linksys WRT3200ACM I use as an access point with newer hardware. But I really like the features I get with 3rd party.
Personally I would never game over Wi-Fi but if the router has strong software features I could be tempted; something like Geo-Filter from Netgear comes to mind.
Why not? Most dedicated ports in homes are shitty CAT5, then patched to a jumper cable and plugged into gigabit or even 10/100 port lol. Most new wireless access points have 2.5Gb Ethernet ports and can handle upwards of 5Gb of traffic. Assuming you have no bottle necks you should be able to max out your internet connection with multiple devices. Plus most people don’t even have gigabit internet…so at the end of the day all your fancy shit is bottle necked down to your 50Mb connection lol regardless wired or wireless.
@@MCC0NN377 wifi is inconsistent. you can say "shitty cat5" but even cat5 will be more consistent for gaming or video calling than wifi. LTT has at least one video explaining why this is. you dont need a lot of speed for gaming, you need consistent pings and packet transfer which wifi is notoriously crap for. if you live in a populated area(apartment/condo, etc) your wifi will be congested and pretty bad. using a wired connection fixes all the issues with wifi. There's a reason when you have wifi issues the number one troubleshooting step is, "Have you tried plugging directly into the router to see if the issue persists?" 99% of the time the issue goes away.
Used Wi-Fi for gaming pretty much exclusively for years, haven't once had any issues - and I've got quite a lot of smart devices connected. Honestly, I think with quality gear the difference these days vs wired is minimal.
@@HavoXtreme I stick by my answer of yes, WiFi is good enough for gaming, but I'm happy to add the caveat of "unless you live with lots of people all using it intensively at once" 😄
Here's some cool ideas for how to name your WiFi: "Martin Router King" "Tell my WiFi love her" "Buy your own freaking WiFi" "CIA Spy Truck #4" Feel free to expand.
Jake being surprised this thing allows you to setup a guest network seems like some talking points. Guest networks aren’t anything new and they’re certainly not an enterprise feature.
i wonder if the smart wifi sucks same as AX6060 from Dlink where the Wifi 5GHz always stop working and you need to reboot the router, or sometimes breaks the web interface to make it say that "device" is not found
Re-posting @BadWolf Gaming's question-Can yall do a video comparing speeds and features and testing from like the "gaming routuers" vs Home made routers using like PfSense etc? I want to know which is better and what is recommended.
4:00 Ah! Careful Jake! Don't let its legs touch the ground or it'll scurry away and climb up the ceiling and stay just out of reach! You'll need to find a broom to swat it back down!
Hi, as on topic of routers I would like you to have a look at AVM’s router and accessories lineup if possible. They are at a kind of monopolistic position here in Germany and fairly expensive, although cheap compared to this MSI router. I love your work at LMG!
Can you not import a router? This is a ludicrous high-end show-off type device, but there are plenty of affordable MSI/Netgear/Linksys routers out there.
These are great introductory routers for learning how to configure advanced networking. I moved from the old blackhawk style routers into DD-WRT and finally into rolling my own pfsense boxes with a managed switch. Once you need the advanced features, these prosumer routers start to show their gaps.
I bought a Razer Sila a long time ago and it has been my mainstay for a while. But instead of having it connect to the internet, my actual WAN is an OpenWrt box - a FriendlyElec NanoPi R6s - that has such a ridiculous SoC that I also use it as a mini server (Jellyfin, TVHeadend, Shoko, Monica, NextCloud, Audiobookshelf, and even more). Since that, I have been trying to get Razer to tell me who built their router and allow me to change it to OpenWrt, because they ended support for that device. And, this is where I see the bigger problem with "consumer solutions": They can just end support for the device, and you can't do anything with it after the fact (as in, security updates and alike). I hope MSI keeps those things well maintained and allows communities to eventually "take over" to do whatever with them once they decide to end support. Because having a dead, unsupported brick of potential security threads and E-Waste kinda sucks ^^'
What I get from this is that wifi 6E kind of sucks. If you are close enough to get a gigabit connection even a 1 meter network cable is close enough to your device. Even any remotely normal distance I would have it is just easier to plug into an ethernet cable.
LTT: Makes multiple videos recently explaining why expensive “gamer” routers are crap. Also LTT: MSI gave us money to tell you otherwise! We love gamer routers now!
I use 3 Eero 6 Pro's, One hard wired directly to my ISP box outside of house to the basement/Gameroom then to an Ethernet Switch, 2nd Piggybacked via Cat8 upstairs to Living room and the 3rd is in our bedroom in Satellite mode (Wireless extension). They are nice small and not spiders lol. But I do get more latency than I should it seems. idunno why. you guys should review the Eero router setups
Can you make an actual video testing those gaming routers QOS functionality? I once bought a Netgear gaming router for about 400$ just for this function. (I had a limited bandwidth connection) but it never worked for me (at least for the game I was playing). As soon as one device started playing RUclips, I was lagging AF. I guess my game was not popullar enough or wasn't compatible. You could set which IPs you want to prioritise, but how I was suppose to know that IPs my game is using. Those are not available to find so easy and some games use more than one. I even try to prioritise traffic for my ethernet connection on PC over WiFi for the rest of the devises.
The IP is whatever device the game is running on. I dont know how they work specifically, but Im assuming the router figures out which packets are game related based on their contents. If you have a specific device you play games off of, then just setting that device to a higher priority would be the same effect. Tbh I dont think it would make a HUGE difference if you had a really limited connection. It's just making tweaks to the queuing algo and maybe dedicating 1 or 2 channels to "gaming" or whatever you have. I think it makes more sense if you have a fast connection from your home to ISP, but have a lot of users on your network. Like 4 people streaming video, a person playing games, etc. It reduces congestion on the local network but once the packet is routed out of your local net then it doesnt matter 🤷🏻♂️
@@davidenzler1691 I was reffering to public IPs. Which is a different thing from local IPs that a router assignes to one of each host devises. Thanks for your responce. I think this is a very good content for a video.😃
I've yet to see a good home QOS. My Asus router has QOS for gaming and it literally just slows everything else down... You only need this if you are throttled for speed based on what you are trying to do. With a 1 gig home connection and 5 people at peak at home.... zero issues with QOS off.
The road analogy only works for people who never studied city/road design. More lanes very often increases congestion instead of lowering it. That is why the giant road/street things in America are so terrible and slow compared road design in countries like The Netherlands which has some of the best city planning in the world. There's an channel called "Not Just Bikes" that talks about this if your interested.
7:14 i'd like everyone note both, because DNS name is often useless and i regularly have to guess w and google wtf default IP is and reset/TFT recovery data won't be amiss too
For under $200, the TP-Link AXE5400 I picked up recently with 6GHz is enough for my needs. I'm no power user, just looking for a no-fuss improvement over my ISP box with compatibility for my WiFi-6E devices.
How about bluetooth, I hear Switch Pro controllers can use 2007 2.1 EDR. Sounds great for Windows 7 users. Ooh it arrived... just as I thought-detected flawlessly in Windows 8.1 on lmp 4.5275. It's no Xbox controller but I'd rather not have a mouse/keyboard be my only inputs for DX10.1/OpenGL 3.3 gameplay.
look i like to game and i always will like the best connection for my gaming. But i could never bring my self into paying 200-300-400 dollars for a router.
For the price of these routers you could literally make a lan connection go through all of your apartment, but shiny router is better, I guess After that, to manage bandwidth for a 4 people family you don't need anything too fancy as a router/modem
Ayy LTT - PLEASE get Labs on the job of *testing 'Quality of Service'(and similar) features in routers* because everything I've researched has pretty much said that it's complete bullshit if you don't have a HUGE amount of traffic on your network.
Too bad Jake didn't test the VPN option. Big problem with OpenVPN-client is the fact that OpenVPN only takes one CPU-core and then the speed plummets to a fraction of what it normally does. This is because that one CPU-core is not enough for encryption/decryption of the VPN-data. This is something no single manufacturer will tell you.
I'm disappointed to see "G", as in "2.4G, 5G and 6G" Wifi, be legitimized by media authorities of network technologies. In cellular networks, G stands for generation. For Wifi, they're not generations, they're electromagnetic frequencies in gigahertz.
I feel like I would still rather have a Unifi Access Point U6 Pro for my Wifi. Even as a standalone device my U5 is heads over heals better than the TP-Link "Pro" wifi I was using.
Probably with UniFi is they are VERY closed. Alot of their stuff requires buying more of their products which is annoying. Whereas others tend to go the more open/generic route which makes it easier for people to just get what they need and when upgrading later they can go with a different company if they want.
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the problem i have (be in the UK) is im supplied a reasonably decent router free so unless they start pricing them cheaper i can justify the expense to see if they would actually make any difference to my ISP's free one.
It has uses for other things though I'm also in the UK & use a separate VPN router from the Virgin media supplied one The problem is the biggest bottle neck for me is the cpu power of my VPN router which causes more slowdown than expected when VPN gaming Buying something like this with a much better CPU plus the future proof options (although I already have wifi 6e devices) would be good The only concern is the VPN covering the entire network capabilities.
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I just wish these modern routers would look a little less like an upside down glowing cyber-spider and more like something i can set up in the house without it scaring the dog.
Just sprinkl some hotdogs over it. Bam! Fear gone and problem solved 😎
@@Mr.Anders0n_ And if you use Wifi 6, they are done within 10min of Netflix streaming /s
TP-Link and ASUS has some featured packed routers that look ok. ASUS also has a lot of upside-down spiders though.
Most "gaming" things are. I want at least some alternatives with good specs but they are hard to come by. Especially gaming monitors.
@@MrdotKstar TP-Link isn't much better with their GX90, AX6000 and AX11000 sacrificial altars and that star wars shuttle looking one
Can yall do a video comparing speeds and features and testing from like the "gaming routuers" vs Home made routers using like PfSense etc?
I want to know which is better and what is recommended.
The thing is with a software router like pf/opnsense it all depends on the hardware you buy. I mean you can compare a router like this with the router they have in the Rack. However that router does not do wifi and just route IPs on Physical links. Where as this is basically just geared for home use and over the Air stuff.
Its hard if not impossible to do a comparison especially if you wanna have/see wifi numbers, because this is just not what pf/opnsense are build for.
I’ll say that, you can go 25gig on PF/OPNSense it all depends on the NIC and CPU. I don’t really like these sort of products…
The prices of all these Wifi 6 routers / access points is getting kind of ridiculous. It's made me think about building something that I can upgrade later by buying a new M.2 wifi card.
Annoyingly, the Intel AX200/AX210 cards stop you using them in AP mode.
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Home made routers like pfsense are going to be much faster in my experience. I would get 5 ms less with pfsense and also 100 mbps more on upload and download
One point that reviewers never talk about is the company support for their routers over the years. I've been using TPLink until last year, but their abandoning a lot of their routers. I've switched to Asus, and their support for old routers is impressive! Not to mention the option to install a open source version of their firmware.
I mean at that point have you considered just making your own? You'd probably be spending about the same price for better features.
Just FYI - most TP-Link devices do have first class dd-wrt and OpenWRT support, just look for the Qualcomm based ones. As for Asus - they also stop updating their devices' firmware after 2-3 years; i.e. I have a perfectly capable 4G-AC53U LTE-A modem/AC wifi router combo, which launched for 200€. 4 core CPU, 256mb RAM, 128mb flash - doesn't recieve any updates anymore!
I am really happy about support of my edgerouter and with AP from ubiquiti it works like a clockwork.
@@Psychx_ In case the of the Asus routers, the open source firmware is basically the same as the closed source version, but usually with more features still under testing. For the TP-Link routers, they suffers a lot using open/dd-wrt. In most cases I just switched back to the stock firmware. And, well, one of my Asus routers is 5 years old, and still receiving updates.
Get an AVM Fritz!Box
I've seen many routers/access points that don't even let the user choose their own DNS server or LAN domain. It would be nice if a router review actually covered whether such things are present.
This is not a review, this is an unboxing. Everything on this channel is just unboxing
It’s short circuit, not review full feature deep dive channel?
@@PestifeR it's not strictly unboxing, they are clearly setting it up and going over some features.
I don't think @Psychx is asking anything that would feel out of place.
Yeah, this is true and has ruined me a couple times
@@ScoffMathews PestifeR worded it wrong. It's a first impressions video. AKA unboxing and using it for a bit to see if they like the product thus far.
Jake wearing a FSM (finnegan speed and marine) shirt makes me happy, love when tech and automotive intersect !
Was coming to comment this!!
Don't make too much fun of the Americans, Jake. The 401 through Toronto is the widest highway in the world.
Don't forget the DVP! 🤮
Im fucking dying laughing
Is it? I mean ive never been in Toronto, but there is 10+ lane highway in China
@lonesimba9794 401 is 18 lanes, I believe at the widest point.
It’s also the busiest highway in North America
I would love to see a comparison between top tier consumer routers like this in contrast to more mid-tier mesh network consumer routers like Google Wi-Fi. Would the average speed and reliability be better with a top tier individual router or a mid-tier mesh network?
Then they wouldn't get any more sponsors lmfao, it's minimal difference between top tier and decent one, it's like those gaming headphones they are scamming customers with pointless features and make it feel premium to trick non tech savvy consumer
@@Simon-tr9hv at a range that you get a 10th of the speed (of being right next to the router) on the top tier router, do you not think that a mid tier mesh network would do better? Honestly asking. I have the 1st and 2nd gen Google/nest wifi and want to update eventually to Wi-Fi 6 (E) and am deciding between one high-end router like this or a mid tier mesh network costing a similar amount.
@@NikoFabri fair point
Well the Google Wi-Fi is a complete piece of garbage. Generally you can rely on any "smart home" themed router being basically useless compared to other similarly-priced routers.
@@NikoFabri go for something semi pro like ubiquiti. Central router and patch panel then a few waps around the house.
I got a TP-Link Archer AX75 for $160usd a few months ago and the performance has been phenomenal. I have about 24 devices on a .25 acre lot, 3.5 gamers in the house. I am using two AX mesh extenders - one covers a dead spot for a camera and the other acts as a bridge for a PS4 and PC to make remote play from my PS5 actually work. I almost paid $200 for the AXE version but none of my devices can use 6ghz and, based on this video, none of the devices I plan on replacing in the next few years would even take advantage of the new band.
3.5 is one under age or cut in half.
@@shubhamadtp well both, I suppose. I have three kids that all like to game, as do I, but the youngest doesn't do much else besides Minecraft on various devices. So he's about half a gamer in this situation, really not using up much bandwidth.
I always keep forgetting that we could use a router beyond the one that our cable provider gives us.
To be honest, WiFi is kinda sus at least for Czech Republic. Most routers on 5GHz are only channel 36-48, so not great and as an example tplink has to dynamically switch between its DFS channels to avoid interference to radars. So, congested channels 36-48 it is. So there isn't much point of getting a router like this, most router will behave kinda same, so basically poorly on wireless 😂
Same here lol
My ISP provides the cheapest PoS router possible with like a 10ft range on the signal. Like seriously - it can't even pass through a wall, so if you go outside the front door literally 5 feet from the router you'll lose connection to it. So we bridged a higher end model to it with a much stronger signal. My ISP lost its shit. "You can't do that! It's causing errors in our router that are backing up to the gateway to your area, and the signal strength on our router is just fine for your house."
@@Dyonivan
As someone who works for one of those said ISPs in the engineering dept. I can assure you, it's pretty much industry standard to go with the cheapest alternative. But thats for a lot of reasons. Anytime someone gets internet I always recommend they get the cheapest thing cause it'll be by default better than we provide...
Sadly we can't do that where I live. But at least my ISP uses a really good router.
-in home PC installer here - I definitely explain the difference in WiFi bands as "highway lanes" , you know its a good analogy when old people understand it
It should definitely have a second 2.5Gbe port for $249usd. Otherwise, this looks like a nice all-around router.
2x 2.5Gbe ports is rare at that price
@@RyTrapp0 Fair. I should have put the MSRP of $349 on there.
i just wish you guys from the channel could make a wifi router comparison so we can know if there are any differences between asus wifi, msi wifi, acer wifi (if there are) and etc. and who's better among those wifi routers
at that price why not just get the dream machine instead, and start creating your own home network, i got mine used for $200. it's hard to find used, but the base one i think goes for $300. and you can fully customized everything in your network.
agreed. the amount of data available to the end user and customizability is better than virtually all other prosumer devices. The inventory availability is just so bad.
So far I've been doing pretty good with the routers I get at Goodwill for 10-15 dollars.
You can buy brand new ones for like $20....
@@Alcoholic_Nerd I'm fine with only having 2 routers 3x3 Wifi 6. I don't need WiFi 7 yet.
@@Alcoholic_Nerd I just started looking on Newegg for prices, all these 24 dollar ones are only 300Mbps, but it also looks as if WiFi 5 is the one I have. I dont have a WiFi 6 router yet, but I'm fine with that. None of my equipment that really uses Wifi needs ax.
@@xnamkcor That's not how that works....
@@Alcoholic_Nerd RUclips Reply system is really bad...I have no idea which comment you are replying to.
7:36 why the heck would you want to reboot your device for every x time ? If that's needed, fix the device or replace it
I have a question. Can you test out these Fast Routers by connecting two routers to two different PCs and then instead of checking download speeds on the speedtest website just simply transfer a file in between the two PCs that are connected to these two routers. That way maybe we can get a different aspect of the routers application to see if the router can also manage workplaces on PCs as well and file transfers between PCs and etc
It would also be good to see that for things like in-home game streaming.
I dont think you will get anything good from it. Its Wifi6 still. Your PC/Laptop must have Wifi6 to even achieve 300mbs+ transfer speed between local pc/nas.. ruclips.net/video/mwWM5dAY9Ro/видео.html
@@toytulog576 yeah but if we have 10gigabit network ports on the two PCs then maybe we can check the theoritical speed of the router if we transfer file from one PC to another using the routers
@@Woodz_007 then if you are using Wired and not wireless. Why not just buy a 10G Network Switch? Connect all your wired connection on it. Then you can transfer files between 2 PC connected on same switch.. You can just buy a wireless router and still connect them to Network Switch (if you want your wifi device to connect on same network switch as wired one). I have this setup. The only wired connected on my ISP Modem, is the 10G Network Switch then 3 Wired PC and PS5 + 1 Wifi Router Device connected on my Network switch. (Disabled ISP Modem Wifi)
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There are better ways of testing host to server speeds especially since you can host it on your server and the only bottleneck would be the wifi 6
I woulda loved a separate 2.5 Wan and 2.5 Lan like the ROG Strix Router
I never really understood these expensive routers, for the price of one of these you can route your whole apartment with cat 6a or cat 7 Ethernet
@@thunderarch5951 exactly
With LTt labs, would be nice to see a more scientific approach. Iperf3 or ethr tests.
I'm wondering why there are almost no Wifi 6E routers with e.g. 4x2,5Gbit LAN ports :(. If there will be such a device, I'm going for it immediately
You could get a cheap x86 firewall off AliExpress with 4x 2.5gb LAN and then buy a separate access point
The price. When you see enterprise oriented routers it is also common to it having a couple of ports at maximum speeds and a bunch of lower speeds
They are coming, but like mentioned it's just not commonplace yet. It'll slowly be saturated over the next few years where it'll be more commonplace.
The next generation wifi 7 routers will have multiple multi-gigabits !!
That will be the good time to upgrade
@@amirhadis1698 No they won't. Routers using the Wifi 6e branding are already worse than the ones that spell out their compatibility. Companies will just start using "Wifi 7" as soon as they can get away with it, not when it's an actual upgrade.
Good job MSI for launching a wifi 6e router a month before wifi 7 routers hit... TP link already has their halo for each line on preorder.
oh they have wifi 7 as well at the CES
I hope you guys will review TP Links new WIFI 7 routers. They look insane as far as specs. Definitely waiting for that review!!! BTW: Love the Finnegan Speed and Marine shirt Jake haha !
Hey can you help me out you seem like you know your stuff please would really help do you have discord?
As a simple home user the price is to much , i get it some people do use it's full potential , but for most people a 100$ ish TP link or any other wifi 6 router is enough , i still like it don't get me wrong.
You’re totally right. Got myself a 100€ tp link WiFi 6 router off eBay (I think ax73 is the name) and this thing suits my needs perfectly! Even has dyndns built in!
I would actually try to source good wifi 6 routers. Because sometimes they can be complete junk.
If Wifi 6E is a 7 lane highway, 100 gig lan is
a working public transport system.
PSA: regarding slower download speed vs faster upload speed, like he was seeing. In the case of my linksys router, when I turned OFF the 'media prioritization' feature, I went from 400mb down to 950mb. I'm assuming because the router was no longer looking at every packet to determine prioritization, slowing it down. Or, maybe just a lot of things weren't getting correctly prioritized.
I actually just turned the QoS stuff off on my Asus router after reading this, and it did in fact dramatically increase my overall speed in a speed test
It’s $350….
You could just spend $15 on a ethernet cable and get 10x better performance than Wifi ever could.
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Companies that put out these routers need to add little optional modules that enable different modems, ADSL2+, VDSL+ for those that don't have NBN access, i hate having two routers with one in bridging mode just to use the router i want. Yet it's often the easiest way to solve the issue.
I don't think this router has a modem, actually. Most people seem to have a separate modem rather than two routers.
I want to see you guys try build a gaming PC inside one of these giant routers lol
Half way through the video I noticed the FSM shirt. Good taste Jake
Please, please, please, test the coverage of this routers in your office or labs. I bought a $400 Asus router and I need to use a $20 Tenda router as a wireless access point, because the Asus is a joke in terms of coverage. They have all the bells and whistles, but are unable to cover even a fairly small house. Don't even get me going about the 5GHz that is basically usable only in the same room as the router. They need to be exposed and forced to have some kind of metric for the coverage in the specifications. The most important thing is basically missing. I hate pointing to my channel in a comment and it feels quite wrong, but if anybody does not believe me, I have a video uploaded. I hope someone from LTT sees this comment and you guys make coverage testing a thing. It would be a game changer, honestly.
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One point these videos always miss is if you can figure qos on your router is that qos is really only obeyed in your local network once it goes to your ISP they will either strip the qos or ignore it
And the one thing that this home qos does is it will take your internet speed and then cap it out so if you have a gig they'll Reserve maybe a hundred Megs for overhead that way you have a more streamline experience while overall lowering the speeds of the network
Generally you configure your Internet connection's top speed in your router's QoS settings so while it does cap it, you don't notice that the speed has been capped. I would also argue that QoS at the chokepoint that is your Internet connection matters more there than it does at your ISP.
Would have took into this now
My Fritz!Box home router does this type of network QoS priorization since at least 2013 and usually also contains a modem… Please do an unboxing of one of these AVM products!
Is this 3rd party firmware friendly? Thinking it may be getting close to time to replace the Linksys WRT3200ACM I use as an access point with newer hardware. But I really like the features I get with 3rd party.
I doubt
Love the Mike Finnegan shirt 👌⛽
Personally I would never game over Wi-Fi but if the router has strong software features I could be tempted; something like Geo-Filter from Netgear comes to mind.
Why not? Most dedicated ports in homes are shitty CAT5, then patched to a jumper cable and plugged into gigabit or even 10/100 port lol. Most new wireless access points have 2.5Gb Ethernet ports and can handle upwards of 5Gb of traffic. Assuming you have no bottle necks you should be able to max out your internet connection with multiple devices. Plus most people don’t even have gigabit internet…so at the end of the day all your fancy shit is bottle necked down to your 50Mb connection lol regardless wired or wireless.
@@MCC0NN377 wifi is inconsistent. you can say "shitty cat5" but even cat5 will be more consistent for gaming or video calling than wifi. LTT has at least one video explaining why this is. you dont need a lot of speed for gaming, you need consistent pings and packet transfer which wifi is notoriously crap for. if you live in a populated area(apartment/condo, etc) your wifi will be congested and pretty bad. using a wired connection fixes all the issues with wifi.
There's a reason when you have wifi issues the number one troubleshooting step is, "Have you tried plugging directly into the router to see if the issue persists?" 99% of the time the issue goes away.
Used Wi-Fi for gaming pretty much exclusively for years, haven't once had any issues - and I've got quite a lot of smart devices connected. Honestly, I think with quality gear the difference these days vs wired is minimal.
@@ohnoimissed Try living with 3 people that use 3 seperate devices to stream 3 different 1080p content in a crowded apartment
@@HavoXtreme I stick by my answer of yes, WiFi is good enough for gaming, but I'm happy to add the caveat of "unless you live with lots of people all using it intensively at once" 😄
Here's some cool ideas for how to name your WiFi:
"Martin Router King"
"Tell my WiFi love her"
"Buy your own freaking WiFi"
"CIA Spy Truck #4"
Feel free to expand.
This thing is more powerful than my first PC from 2003. And more than the second PC too maybe 😂
Use an openspeedtest instance to check wifi speed, not an external speedtest server that other people are using.
Jake being surprised this thing allows you to setup a guest network seems like some talking points. Guest networks aren’t anything new and they’re certainly not an enterprise feature.
This would be great for streaming wireless VR
i wonder if the smart wifi sucks same as AX6060 from Dlink where the Wifi 5GHz always stop working and you need to reboot the router, or sometimes breaks the web interface to make it say that "device" is not found
Re-posting @BadWolf Gaming's question-Can yall do a video comparing speeds and features and testing from like the "gaming routuers" vs Home made routers using like PfSense etc?
I want to know which is better and what is recommended.
I like the Finnegan speed and marine shirt
4:00 Ah! Careful Jake! Don't let its legs touch the ground or it'll scurry away and climb up the ceiling and stay just out of reach! You'll need to find a broom to swat it back down!
I spot your Finnegan Speed and Marine shirt Jake 🤙
Can we even use all the bands? In Canada we can't even use 6 fully let alone 6E.
Love the FSM T-Shirt
Hi, as on topic of routers I would like you to have a look at AVM’s router and accessories lineup if possible. They are at a kind of monopolistic position here in Germany and fairly expensive, although cheap compared to this MSI router.
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I dont think they sell in america/canada.
Can you not import a router? This is a ludicrous high-end show-off type device, but there are plenty of affordable MSI/Netgear/Linksys routers out there.
I got a router that is 6 years old but works great. Would I really need to upgrade?
These are great introductory routers for learning how to configure advanced networking. I moved from the old blackhawk style routers into DD-WRT and finally into rolling my own pfsense boxes with a managed switch. Once you need the advanced features, these prosumer routers start to show their gaps.
And how did you replace the wifi part?
@@stephenxs8354 Standalone access points is the most likely solution. Or put an old router into bridge mode.
Higher frequency means higher penetration, learn your theory. It performs worse moving it further because of another reason.
I bought a Razer Sila a long time ago and it has been my mainstay for a while. But instead of having it connect to the internet, my actual WAN is an OpenWrt box - a FriendlyElec NanoPi R6s - that has such a ridiculous SoC that I also use it as a mini server (Jellyfin, TVHeadend, Shoko, Monica, NextCloud, Audiobookshelf, and even more). Since that, I have been trying to get Razer to tell me who built their router and allow me to change it to OpenWrt, because they ended support for that device. And, this is where I see the bigger problem with "consumer solutions": They can just end support for the device, and you can't do anything with it after the fact (as in, security updates and alike). I hope MSI keeps those things well maintained and allows communities to eventually "take over" to do whatever with them once they decide to end support. Because having a dead, unsupported brick of potential security threads and E-Waste kinda sucks ^^'
At the Newegg price its actually a competitive modem. Hopefully it doesn't send your data to a third party like TP link does.
What I get from this is that wifi 6E kind of sucks. If you are close enough to get a gigabit connection even a 1 meter network cable is close enough to your device. Even any remotely normal distance I would have it is just easier to plug into an ethernet cable.
I prefer to load up OpenWrt on a router. If it doesn't support OpenWrt, I'm not really interested.
OpenWRT is the way to go imo.
That management interface really looks like a fork of Asus' Merlin :D
=> AsusWRT-Merlin
and yes yes, AsusWRT is based on OpenWRT
My father-in-law got a new WLAN router and started to register all devices to the new WLAN instead of changing the SSID...
Classic
I think at 10:52 onwards is a prime example where the market should hold the industry to task - webcams on $2k+ laptops need to do better.
Really good explanations. Nicely done, MSI will be smiling at this one.
I am trying to confirm if this router supports NAT hairpinning.
I got a shitty AT&T router that doesn't support it, so looking for one that does.
LTT: Makes multiple videos recently explaining why expensive “gamer” routers are crap.
Also LTT: MSI gave us money to tell you otherwise! We love gamer routers now!
Can you link video on why they are crap couldnt find it
@@MaritimesNB Yeah thats what I was thinking...
I have searched for like 20 minutes and have given up I cant find any videos on them saying that
Can you do a shoot out with this and the ASUS and TPLINK equivalents?
Could you make a video comparing expensive routers with the ones internet providers provide for free?
I use 3 Eero 6 Pro's, One hard wired directly to my ISP box outside of house to the basement/Gameroom then to an Ethernet Switch, 2nd Piggybacked via Cat8 upstairs to Living room and the 3rd is in our bedroom in Satellite mode (Wireless extension).
They are nice small and not spiders lol.
But I do get more latency than I should it seems. idunno why.
you guys should review the Eero router setups
Can you make an actual video testing those gaming routers QOS functionality? I once bought a Netgear gaming router for about 400$ just for this function. (I had a limited bandwidth connection) but it never worked for me (at least for the game I was playing). As soon as one device started playing RUclips, I was lagging AF. I guess my game was not popullar enough or wasn't compatible. You could set which IPs you want to prioritise, but how I was suppose to know that IPs my game is using. Those are not available to find so easy and some games use more than one. I even try to prioritise traffic for my ethernet connection on PC over WiFi for the rest of the devises.
The IP is whatever device the game is running on. I dont know how they work specifically, but Im assuming the router figures out which packets are game related based on their contents. If you have a specific device you play games off of, then just setting that device to a higher priority would be the same effect. Tbh I dont think it would make a HUGE difference if you had a really limited connection. It's just making tweaks to the queuing algo and maybe dedicating 1 or 2 channels to "gaming" or whatever you have. I think it makes more sense if you have a fast connection from your home to ISP, but have a lot of users on your network. Like 4 people streaming video, a person playing games, etc. It reduces congestion on the local network but once the packet is routed out of your local net then it doesnt matter 🤷🏻♂️
For further clarification, the QOS effects only local traffic, but it's not going to effect a slower connection from your modem to your ISP.
QOS is a marketing gimic. Anyone that allows a third party into their router is asking for trouble.
@@Bob_Smith19 I agree with you. If LMG is going to make a video about this it will certainly fit on the "$H!T Manufacturers Say" series.
@@davidenzler1691 I was reffering to public IPs. Which is a different thing from local IPs that a router assignes to one of each host devises. Thanks for your responce. I think this is a very good content for a video.😃
I'm 120 down and 23 up and consider that one of the best services I've ever had! Good Olde England
You can also use it as a table if you place it upside down. So thats nice
I wish you said that wifi 7 is coming out soon. That's a lot of money to throw at a router for a newer version to come out a couple months later.
I thought you see the need of prioritizing my Internet speed thought it was absolutely
I'm about to get one of these, I have been using a tplink ax1500 ($75 from Walmart) for airlink streaming. Ill do anything to get a little less skips
I've yet to see a good home QOS. My Asus router has QOS for gaming and it literally just slows everything else down... You only need this if you are throttled for speed based on what you are trying to do. With a 1 gig home connection and 5 people at peak at home.... zero issues with QOS off.
no way this makes a difference in real world
The road analogy only works for people who never studied city/road design. More lanes very often increases congestion instead of lowering it. That is why the giant road/street things in America are so terrible and slow compared road design in countries like The Netherlands which has some of the best city planning in the world. There's an channel called "Not Just Bikes" that talks about this if your interested.
I also like Not Just Bikes, but come on, the analogy implies that every other variable remains the same
Ah yes, my 60mph road is so much slower than a 30mph limited street. Has that channel stopped regurgitating the same three books yet?
For $350 you can also get 3 Ubiquiti access points and cover an area the size of a Walmart
Well, if your connection is getting 20 down and 5 up, you probably just shouldn’t buy this and spend your money somewhere else honestly.
The main point you missed, usually attached antenna out of the box means non-removable. So which one is it?
non-removable
7:14 i'd like everyone note both, because DNS name is often useless and i regularly have to guess w and google wtf default IP is
and reset/TFT recovery data won't be amiss too
For under $200, the TP-Link AXE5400 I picked up recently with 6GHz is enough for my needs. I'm no power user, just looking for a no-fuss improvement over my ISP box with compatibility for my WiFi-6E devices.
Hey can you help me out you seem like you know your stuff please would really help do you have discord?
Very similar to a TP Wifi 6 I got last year. Definitely this one is more detail heavy. But ASUS includes priority internet modes natively with the PC.
Do you still have a problem with the led lights on the legs
How about bluetooth, I hear Switch Pro controllers can use 2007 2.1 EDR. Sounds great for Windows 7 users. Ooh it arrived... just as I thought-detected flawlessly in Windows 8.1 on lmp 4.5275. It's no Xbox controller but I'd rather not have a mouse/keyboard be my only inputs for DX10.1/OpenGL 3.3 gameplay.
look i like to game and i always will like the best connection for my gaming. But i could never bring my self into paying 200-300-400 dollars for a router.
I have never seen a lot of testing network usage using steam and plex at 4k. Curious to see those numbers.
Hey can you help me out you seem like you know your stuff please would really help do you have discord?
For the price of these routers you could literally make a lan connection go through all of your apartment, but shiny router is better, I guess
After that, to manage bandwidth for a 4 people family you don't need anything too fancy as a router/modem
Ayy LTT - PLEASE get Labs on the job of *testing 'Quality of Service'(and similar) features in routers* because everything I've researched has pretty much said that it's complete bullshit if you don't have a HUGE amount of traffic on your network.
Just watched and liked your video and almost purchased the RADIX AX6600 what is the difference between it and the AXE6600?
Too bad Jake didn't test the VPN option. Big problem with OpenVPN-client is the fact that OpenVPN only takes one CPU-core and then the speed plummets to a fraction of what it normally does. This is because that one CPU-core is not enough for encryption/decryption of the VPN-data. This is something no single manufacturer will tell you.
Great learning needing new router. Also loving his FSM shirt. Finnegan speed and marine.
I'm disappointed to see "G", as in "2.4G, 5G and 6G" Wifi, be legitimized by media authorities of network technologies. In cellular networks, G stands for generation. For Wifi, they're not generations, they're electromagnetic frequencies in gigahertz.
I feel like I would still rather have a Unifi Access Point U6 Pro for my Wifi. Even as a standalone device my U5 is heads over heals better than the TP-Link "Pro" wifi I was using.
Probably with UniFi is they are VERY closed. Alot of their stuff requires buying more of their products which is annoying. Whereas others tend to go the more open/generic route which makes it easier for people to just get what they need and when upgrading later they can go with a different company if they want.
agreed. and the UI and data available is much better, and cost less. the only problem is availability
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does this work as an extension of my main router? because the WiFi upstairs is very slow compared to the rest of the house
My router is in my rafters above the ceiling tiles. I would never change the mode or see the rbg.
"Everyone loves WIFI, Right?" - lost me immediately lol. As a network engineer I hate wireless so much.
Cool product though.
the problem i have (be in the UK) is im supplied a reasonably decent router free so unless they start pricing them cheaper i can justify the expense to see if they would actually make any difference to my ISP's free one.
It has uses for other things though
I'm also in the UK & use a separate VPN router from the Virgin media supplied one
The problem is the biggest bottle neck for me is the cpu power of my VPN router which causes more slowdown than expected when VPN gaming
Buying something like this with a much better CPU plus the future proof options (although I already have wifi 6e devices) would be good
The only concern is the VPN covering the entire network capabilities.
I wish they would start putting 2.5 gig ports on all of them not just the WAN 😔
That thing straight up looks like the front end of a Lamborghini Aventador especially with that shield shaped emblem lol
Hey thanks for the video. Would like to ask if this router supports IPTV/VLAN tagging? Many thanks