I remember him saying he wants to get into making like short films, earlier on the Unsubscribe Podcast, and Eli was all about it! Maybe this is the start??
Your leaving out the fact with the benelli you need to buy the full capacity tube and install it afterwards. Which is like 300 bucks plus gunsmith if your not mechanically inclined. Then to full compare it to the clone you need to put on a mlok forend which is another 200. 700 bucks isnt a small difference in price. Plus your looking at the high price for the clone which comes with i assume that weird camo paint job. But if you drop that it probably shaves another 200 bucks off the price.
@@high633 The full capacity model is another $99 to $200 on GB and there is a lot of those in stock. If you want the full tube plus mlok, it's $2200 total. If your sole purpose is to attach a light, then buy a clip accessory for the tube for a fraction of the price and you're good.
@@high633for what it’s worth, Dave’s Metal Works sells a high quality full length tube for like $100. It wasn’t that difficult for me to upgrade and I am no gunsmith
Yeah, this seems delusional. Basically the only reason Benelli can get away with it is because they're Benelli. You can get a cheap S/A turkish shotgun for like $300 lol
@@alexscottthompson812they're cheap for a reason. Made by turks. Subpar QC, subpar craftsmanship, shitty copies, poor materials, low durability, etc. Can't expect anything good from that part of the world.
The Benelli M4 exists, yes. But so does the Beretta A300 and 1301. The only case I can see for this is "I want a Benelli M4, but I'm $200 shy" or "I like different things." Both are valid takes.
Mossburg 930 and 940 JM pro exists- are far more reliable than M4's (from what I've seen on TFBTV and GT) and cost about half or less anyway you look at it than a benelli and a few hundred less than the berreta models.
Also, if ur strictly looking for a semi-scatter-gatt, the new Mossberg 940 Thunder Ranch edition is a thing... I'm going with the Thunder Ranch edition 590, myself, but both models are a solid choice depending on what ur looking for and POU. Both are based on a well proven platform and have great features right outta the box.. Especially for the price👍🏻
Yeah, a real deal M4 with collospible stock and 7 shot tube is around $2300. While 1301 gen2 tac I have saw for as low as $1150(they increced price lately). And A300 Patrol is as low as $899. I don't get why someone want a turkneli M4 for $1600 when 1301 LTT I bought was like $1915 delivered with all options checked.
I have a m4 knock off from a company called Revolutionary arms and their m4 is named "Impact R4". Great shotgun and was $800 canadian brand new. Shoots so fkin nice. I've never had a problem with feeding with mine and beneli parts are interchangeable ofc
wait not sure I follow this, $1400-$1700 when a benelli can be found for $1800 base ?, had issues with slugs and birdshot ?? why would anyone buy this lol, buy a 940, a300 or even a used 1301 would be my advice and a bit of yours as you mentioned toward the end
Or try and find a police trade in remington 1100 if they are still around. They used to be 300 bucks. Semi auto shotguns never tickled my pickle so I couldn't justify the high prices of those other ones but everyone should have one and the 1100s are reliable.
At that point you could even consider getting a MAC 1014 and swap out the internals with Benelli parts. 610$ for the wood furniture MAC, 18$ for the follower, 7$ extractor spring, 8$ mag spring, etc. Probably wouldn't even add up to more than 800, 900 bucks even if you needed to replace the recoil spring assembly😂
Lowly Canadian here Admin, I bought a Canuck Operator Elite (Canadian/Turkish M4 Clone) The action wouldn't cycle low brass under powered rounds until after a break in period. I used high velocity high brass shells (around 100+) before it would cycle everything flawlessly.
Dude I just watched No Country for Old Men yesterday. It wouldve been great if you had a sadistic smile and said, "if the rule you followed brought you here, of what use was the rule?"
FWIW a friend of mine just got the MAC 1014 clone and he's run cheap bird shot, buck, and slugs and hasn't had a single hiccup yet. He loves it, so now his brother has one too. He's also got a MAC clone of the M2. Those are around $350 on battlehawk armory right now which is insane! I paid around $2,400 for a gen 2 M4 LE with the telescoping stock and multi rail, oversized controls, factory 7rd tube... I don't regret buying the real Benelli especially if I were to trust my life to it, but holy cow they're expensive. Only silver lining is even a Benelli costs less to fully kit out than basically any rifle. You pick up a SCAR, MR556, or anything else in that tier, you'll have $5-7k in it by the time you're done. The gen 2 M4 needs NOTHING unless you want a red dot. Other than that, throw your velcro cards on and go.
The Panzer Arms is kind of a beast after a break in period with higher pressure loads (according to reviews). Supposedly they have some parts compatability with the Beneli. I missed out on the 250 dollar days of that semi auto shotgun. 🤬
Honestly it makes no sense to buy this over the M4 in my opinion. There’s just not enough savings to justify a knockoff when you’re talking a 300 dollar difference. I will say it looks like a great shotgun but it’s about $700-800 too much for a knockoff I’m sorry. Just save an extra month or so and get the real deal. Great video as usual bro
I had a 1st Gen Benelli M1 Super 90 that absolutely refused to function with anything but full power heavy buckshot. Now those are not gas guns and use the recoil spring inside the bolt to cycle so they're a bit different...but I'm betting the problem encountered here is the same one, that being the hammer spring is too heavy. Of course to cycle the bolt has to fully re-cock the hammer and that effort is a lot to overcome especially since the bolt makes initial contact so low on the hammer that it has little leverage. Remember that's one of the ways we tailor 1911's to their ammo by adjusting the radius of the firing pin retaining plate. Anyhow...the hammer spring was being compressed right to coil bind when fully cocked...and a simple removal of one coil made the gun run 100% with anything looking like a shotgun shell afterwards. Loved that gun...and just wonder how many 'fussy about ammo' guns out there just need a tiny tweak of spring tension to fix them? If you have a 'fussy' gun...check that hammer spring.
I remember reading that, too. Italian troops that were attached to German units and led by German officers fought very well. _The relationship with the italians are good. The italians are excellent, patient, tough, courageous, but badly commanded and worst armed._ - Excerpt from Rommel's diary
I never understood this Post-WW2 "Meme" of "Italians were terrible Soldiers". I'm German and like all Germans grew up with WW2 Vets as Grandfathers and Grand Uncles (in my case) and i also experienced many a Summer Night BBQ at my Grandfathers & Parents House with a ton of other Axis Veterans. I never ever heard any of them who worked together with Italian Soldiers at any Front say anything bad about them. The worst i heard was that Italian Soldiers always loved to make Fun of how both they and the French make better Wine, Food etc. but that's at best typical "Soldier Banter". But there definitely were a lot of Italian Higher Ups who made very stupid Decisions, but that is not to blame on the Soldiers of Italy. Also i have to mention the insanely overlooked "Decima Flottiglia MAS" of Italy in WW2. Their Exploits and Missions are legendary and in fact to this Day are still taught to Navy Seals in the US, Kampfschwimmer in Germany etc. But of course nobody on RUclips or anywhere else likes to mention them, because of the "Italians were bad Soldiers Meme" Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Had a similar one, tore it apart Dremelled it, checked the RH on parts. Aligned, loctited everything. Changed the stock to wood added a flashlight and sling. A sling attachment point on the rear of the bolt side of receiver. Sold it to a guy from the range for the price of 2.
I feel so blessed because my parents former landlord once sold me a benelli M4 for $800 (with the receipt, they had paid $1,600 for it). They shot it 4 times and they decided they didn't want a Shotgun anymore. It was WILD. I've had it for 6 years now, and I LOVE it.
I can't help but appreciate the craftsmanship that went into this shotgun, even if it's a departure from the iconic Benelli M4. Sure, it may not have the same heritage or prestige, but let's give credit where it's due.
@@biggysnaps2827 That's what I was thinking 😆 The M4 has multiple years on the field to prove itself for reliability. $1,600 or $1,700 are getting way to close to the cost of the real deal to even consider.
BENELLI M3 SUPER 90 PICKUP back in 1990 for ABOUT $1000 SHIPPED to my LOCAL FFL this was AUTO/ PUMP AWESOME gun made me Feel SARA CONNER FROM T2 that gun Could take down 8 people in 5 seconds
Thanks for the honest review, pay that much money for a shotty that wobbles it's sights off is a joke tbh. Least for a 350$ clone, you half expect it to fail in ways, fix it and break it in and by the end it's go to go and was less than most commercial AR's.
so nice to see u do a vid on these new turkish bolt-action shottys that look cool like the BM4 XD, on a more serious note it does look baller. and so do ur vids
Canuck makes the best Benelli M4 clone (the Canuck Operator). Mine runs everything flawlessly. Paid just over $900 brand new. Looks good in OD green, feels good. Runs great under hard pressure.
Ill always love my m1 super 90. Its never failed me. Been a boat paddle, a club, and a crutch. Like an actual crutch not an emotional one. Well maybe a little of an emotional crutch. Had it almost 2 decades and i wouldnt sell it for anything.
I think the stock is causing malfunctions. If the bolt is meant to have the inertia to travel enough to eject the spent shell casing from the original design, then the recoil mitigation of the stock is slowing the bolt short of ejection.
FYI, you are not supposed to shoot without a choke. Just have correct choke for the shot - cylinder or improved cylider is ok for slugs. Now the thread on the barrel is most likely gone. As far as the turkish shotguns go, I 100% agree, they are not there yet. Maybe some day.. But this makes you appreciate crafstmanship and know-how that goes to (more expensive) OGs.
Had a Gforce Arms SAX2T. It ran 3" shells out of the box without issue. 2-3/4" were hit and miss and also caused super weak ejection. After about 80 or 90 rounds it cleared up and ate whatever I fed it. Paid 350 for it. Biggest issue I had was the trigger not resetting after a shot. It was happening at random. I opened a support ticket with GForce Arms and they sent me shipping tags to send it in to have em work on it. RIght before I sent it off I decided to take out the trigger pack and take a look. After some time I figured out it wan't even the trigger. It was the safety. Turns out the notch on the crossbolt safety where the rear of the trigger indexes into it was getting lodged into the channel for it, if I squeezed the trigger hard. So I cleaned up the channel of the safety, taking a few thousands of an inch off. (Of course keeping plenty of material still there for the safety to work) After cleaning it up it wasn't an issue again. Going in I expected problems being it's an 350 dollar semi auto turk shotty.
Why would you pay 1301 prices, even slightly more, for a Turkish knockoff? The whole reason of going with knockoffs is because they're significantly cheaper. Get a 1301, save yourself a ton and get an A300, or pony up just a little bit more and get an actual M4. This thing is pointless.
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I have one of the turknelli knockoff M4s I think called the SDS Tac-12, which I think was a slightly better version of the Panzer S4. Initially it just hung up on everything, birdshot, slug, buck, whatever. I found out it was basically just the feed ramp that was too sharp an angle. Polished it up and now it runs everything. Yes even cheapo bird shot. I think it was a well spent $600. Not gonna shell out $1600 for a clone when you can get a real one for $200 more but $600 was a good price
I bought a Panzer Arms M4 and replaced the stock with their adjustable one, threw on a Vortex red dot, Midwest Industries handguard, muzzle brake choke tube (because why not), a crimson trace light I had lying around for another build I never got around to and a full length mag tube. Including ammo (500 00 buck from black aces, and 500 turkish slugs) the total cost was about the same as the Orthos. I've thus far put a little under 500 rounds of various slugs, 00 buck and high velocity buckshot through it without issue. So far. The turkish slugs are garbage tier, at least one of them was loaded super light and barely kicked (gun still cycled fine though), and just looking at the rifling on the slugs themselves as well as the "hollow point" on the tip, they were only good for range use. The 00 buck from black aces was/is fine. Is it a Benelli? No. Is it just as good? No. Is it "good enough" if you just want the looks and a fun range toy? Absolutely. I wouldn't trust it for home defense, let alone actual combat use. One day I'll get the real one.
Now it ain’t semi auto, and it doesn’t look as cool, but it’s still damn hard to beat the value of a maverick 88 security. Super reliable, 8+1, and ~$270
Turkey is plenty capable of producing any quality you want. It’s the importers that are setting the specs. They are basically telling the manufacturers what price point they want, and they manufacture down to it. This gun does have a lifetime, transferable warranty though. However, for less than a grand, you can get the LE Beretta A300 Patrol, put on an optic, light and sling and still be under $1500.
You mentioning the Safari vest being great with a shotgun just made me think back to Jurassic Park and clever girl. You totally missed it even though it's not a SPAS
yes I understand I'm late to commenting but that issue with the fiocchi bird shot is something my friends had the same issue with last year in a semi auto hunting shotgun to the extent of partially tearing brass off the shell seems to be a QC issue with their ammo not just isolated to us that is wild
Bought the same exact shotgun and I love it! Haven’t had any malfunctions so far with about 500 rounds of mix bag. Paid 1700 for it, sure that’s steep but it’s definitely a cheaper option than the m4 I have to pay another 1k to upgrade. 🤷♂️
@immikeurnot bullshit, sample size of 3 in my friend group and never had 1 failure in probably close to 800rds on all 3 guns (800 rds per gun). We've seen more than that on real banellis on GT and TFBTV. M4's are over hyped to hell and back.
I know that the video is mostly for the American audience but we have to remember something In most countries the only kind of gun you can legally own is a cheap smooth barrel one And that's important for a Manufacturer Having said that I would still go for the prototype - if can afford it
Looking at getting a Panzer M4 SPEED PRO they’re around $600. Look solid MLok, Pic rails, ports, pistol grip. +2 tube extension if you want to buy it. A 1:1 replica you can put any Benelli parts on there. For $600 I can get a tactical shotgun with wood finish and then change out parts at will to make it reliable. But then it’s like dammit should I just get the A300 then
At that price point I wouldn’t do it. I bought a new m4 le model with the tele stock and full capacity with night sights for 1900. You gotta shop a little. I will always pay more for a known product. I can see the turknelli at the sun 500 mark but not this. I am curious if the gun was new when you got it. Even a real m4 wouldn’t low brass until broken in with a few hundred buckshot and slugs. At least that was my experience and the experience of several other owners I have talked with.
In the game Hearts of Iron 2, Italian tech teams were all pretty good but almost universally lacked industrial efficiency as one of their skills. I always think of it when I see Italian products because that it was so spot on. Beretta might have been one of the few that did, I can't remember.
It could be possible that the managed recoil buffer stock, is affecting the inertia cycling system of the bolt. Using lighter shot shell loads, with this style stock, may contribute to ejection problems.
Bro sorry for my bad english, ı have translated for google translate . Shotgun cartridges in Turkey. It is designed for use in Turkish hunting rifles. Since it is difficult to buy a gun due to the law in my country, illegal guns are generally used in the villages. Turkish cartridges are used in these weapons. When we import these weapons abroad, the size of the cartridges confuses us. The reason is related to the cartridges you have. There are small differences between cartridge sizes in Türkiye and America.
This is a “modified” clone which is why it’s $1,600, a “modified” beretta or m4 equal to this would cost a lot more. For example, the “agency arms” modified benelli m4 that has similar mods to this orthos costs $4,800. Comparing $1,399 to $4,800 is a drastic difference.
I bought my 1301 for 1300 a couple years ago. Not sure exactly how much they are now. Extension tube. And a case of limited flight buck shot later. It still works just fine.
This will be a long comment. I bought A Taurus P92 AF for 424.$ On 02.07.09 As with everything I buy I want to know all about it. So when researching this tool I found out that Beretta couldn't complete the build quaintness required by the military. It was easier to duplicate all there tooling and ship it all off to south America to Miguel Taurus. Each item even had Beretta stamped on it. So you never knew if you got a Italian tool or one from south America. Once the contract was filled Italy thought it would cost too much to have all the tooling sent back. Miguel made them an offer and thats how the Taurus company began. I know that was off topic but fallow along. On 02.23.2016 I bought a Mossberg JM930 PRO for only 691.01$. Before I ever used it I took it to a friends house that thought he had to have the best in everything. He popped off every round in it and and said "Damn this is as good if not better than my Bonelli"! How much did it cost? He asked. He was sick when I told him. Unfortunately I lost my collection in a boating accident.
If I had to pick something in lieu of a Benelli, I wouldn't go for a Turkish clone. Beretta has shotguns that seem like better "economical alternatives". As for the Palmetto State AR15, I dunno. If you're looking for an affordable, entry level AR...for quality vs price point, the Smith & Wesson M&P15 is really hard to beat.
My buddy has a M4 , ive never ran it but i have held it and stroked the hell out of it , he had a ton of money in her , tube ,furniture gas work rails and a Trijicon , if i remember right like 4 grand ish ?? Idk ? It nice though
You got to meet my buddy at a Mesa dealership for your truck (will not list which dealership for privacy reasons) he sent me a photo and might I say I was hella jealous
My first shotgun was/is a Cesar Guerini Summit Sporting (Italian hand made) still a smaller producer than Beretta, but i believe one might get better quality at the same price range with for that reason. Id definitely buy the Benelli in this case tho, too small of a price difference to go for a knockoff, you know they had to cut off quality somewhere and id also rather support that old Italian craftmanship.
I'm not sure if you get enough comments telling you how much we appreciate the movie tier clips you add in
For real though, them shits be clean my dude.
100% backing that statement
I remember him saying he wants to get into making like short films, earlier on the Unsubscribe Podcast, and Eli was all about it! Maybe this is the start??
I need a full movie with Admin and Garand Thumb. I think a western would be awesome.
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That's crazy.. I was crazy once.
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@@mattp9574 a rubber room*
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A true Benelli M4 on GB is around $1800, might as well get the real deal for only $200 more.
Your leaving out the fact with the benelli you need to buy the full capacity tube and install it afterwards. Which is like 300 bucks plus gunsmith if your not mechanically inclined. Then to full compare it to the clone you need to put on a mlok forend which is another 200. 700 bucks isnt a small difference in price. Plus your looking at the high price for the clone which comes with i assume that weird camo paint job. But if you drop that it probably shaves another 200 bucks off the price.
@@high633 The full capacity model is another $99 to $200 on GB and there is a lot of those in stock. If you want the full tube plus mlok, it's $2200 total. If your sole purpose is to attach a light, then buy a clip accessory for the tube for a fraction of the price and you're good.
@@high633for what it’s worth, Dave’s Metal Works sells a high quality full length tube for like $100. It wasn’t that difficult for me to upgrade and I am no gunsmith
Absolutely. Not impressed with the copy. If it was 50% of the cost, maybe.
You can get a tube extension for 90$ and you just twist off the factory one and twist on the new one
The minecraft music with guns and watermelon is unmatched
Had me rolling 😂😂😂
I was legit playing minecraft to this video and thought I was high when I heard this lol
Let us not forget the Beretta shotguns as well. Awesome shotguns that are less expensive than a Beneli.
Let us not forget they are made by the same company and share choke tube threads.
1301 is less expensive then this knockoff.
@@ShizawnSanders oh hell no. But it is less than the Beneli
@@Americanstruggle would you like to know where you can get a 1301 Tactical for less than this knockoff? Because they exist.
This is a 1,700 dollar knockoff? Hell no.
Yeah, this seems delusional. Basically the only reason Benelli can get away with it is because they're Benelli. You can get a cheap S/A turkish shotgun for like $300 lol
@@alexscottthompson812they're cheap for a reason. Made by turks. Subpar QC, subpar craftsmanship, shitty copies, poor materials, low durability, etc. Can't expect anything good from that part of the world.
Need to try it brother. I shot it and the accessories that it has on is out of this world. No joke
might as well get an actual one at that point
Paying for the style. But if it was given to him for free... can't argue with free.
The Benelli M4 exists, yes. But so does the Beretta A300 and 1301. The only case I can see for this is "I want a Benelli M4, but I'm $200 shy" or "I like different things."
Both are valid takes.
Mossburg 930 and 940 JM pro exists- are far more reliable than M4's (from what I've seen on TFBTV and GT) and cost about half or less anyway you look at it than a benelli and a few hundred less than the berreta models.
Also, if ur strictly looking for a semi-scatter-gatt, the new Mossberg 940 Thunder Ranch edition is a thing...
I'm going with the Thunder Ranch edition 590, myself, but both models are a solid choice depending on what ur looking for and POU. Both are based on a well proven platform and have great features right outta the box.. Especially for the price👍🏻
Yeah, a real deal M4 with collospible stock and 7 shot tube is around $2300. While 1301 gen2 tac I have saw for as low as $1150(they increced price lately). And A300 Patrol is as low as $899.
I don't get why someone want a turkneli M4 for $1600 when 1301 LTT I bought was like $1915 delivered with all options checked.
@@mandrakevermilyea7488 "Far more reliable when I consulted my wallet" shut up goober.
dont forget benelli m2
I like all the additional features that come with the clones. Great video. Keep crushing it.
Why no likes?
@@ThigamabobCause it's him.
@@georgewhitworth9742 Ah I get it ;D
I’ve gotta say, Admin’s vids makes McDonalds hit different
Literally watching this as I eat McDonald’s lol😂
My brother in Christ why are you putting garbage in your body
I have a m4 knock off from a company called Revolutionary arms and their m4 is named "Impact R4". Great shotgun and was $800 canadian brand new. Shoots so fkin nice. I've never had a problem with feeding with mine and beneli parts are interchangeable ofc
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I’ve got a pump from them that cost me like $200 and is just as reliable as my pimped out Mossberg 500
Appreciate the info bro, Ima look it up
can you get these in the states?
wait not sure I follow this, $1400-$1700 when a benelli can be found for $1800 base ?, had issues with slugs and birdshot ?? why would anyone buy this lol, buy a 940, a300 or even a used 1301 would be my advice and a bit of yours as you mentioned toward the end
Or try and find a police trade in remington 1100 if they are still around. They used to be 300 bucks. Semi auto shotguns never tickled my pickle so I couldn't justify the high prices of those other ones but everyone should have one and the 1100s are reliable.
Completely agree. If this was at the $1000 price point with the reliability issues worked out it would be a lot more viable.
At that point you could even consider getting a MAC 1014 and swap out the internals with Benelli parts. 610$ for the wood furniture MAC, 18$ for the follower, 7$ extractor spring, 8$ mag spring, etc. Probably wouldn't even add up to more than 800, 900 bucks even if you needed to replace the recoil spring assembly😂
Lowly Canadian here Admin, I bought a Canuck Operator Elite (Canadian/Turkish M4 Clone)
The action wouldn't cycle low brass under powered rounds until after a break in period. I used high velocity high brass shells (around 100+) before it would cycle everything flawlessly.
The Canuck operators are actually really good. I haven't met anyone with one that has problems with it
Love the minecraft music for the watermelon test
My favorite channel. You’re great man. Thanks for all the hard work.
Clint Smith quotes over Minecraft music was something I didn't know I needed
Dude I just watched No Country for Old Men yesterday. It wouldve been great if you had a sadistic smile and said, "if the rule you followed brought you here, of what use was the rule?"
Shout out to the editor for plugging the folding table online, that was nice
FWIW a friend of mine just got the MAC 1014 clone and he's run cheap bird shot, buck, and slugs and hasn't had a single hiccup yet. He loves it, so now his brother has one too. He's also got a MAC clone of the M2. Those are around $350 on battlehawk armory right now which is insane! I paid around $2,400 for a gen 2 M4 LE with the telescoping stock and multi rail, oversized controls, factory 7rd tube... I don't regret buying the real Benelli especially if I were to trust my life to it, but holy cow they're expensive. Only silver lining is even a Benelli costs less to fully kit out than basically any rifle. You pick up a SCAR, MR556, or anything else in that tier, you'll have $5-7k in it by the time you're done. The gen 2 M4 needs NOTHING unless you want a red dot. Other than that, throw your velcro cards on and go.
The Panzer Arms is kind of a beast after a break in period with higher pressure loads (according to reviews). Supposedly they have some parts compatability with the Beneli. I missed out on the 250 dollar days of that semi auto shotgun. 🤬
I got one for less than $450 it runs pretty much anything I can load it with
@@raulsalazar6800 i got one without optics cut for under 300 during a holiday sale.
The Minecraft music was a nice touch
So glad you made this video!
I started watching 11 mins after you posted, just now getting to finish it!
That Arnold quote though!
Arnie would be proud
Honestly it makes no sense to buy this over the M4 in my opinion. There’s just not enough savings to justify a knockoff when you’re talking a 300 dollar difference. I will say it looks like a great shotgun but it’s about $700-800 too much for a knockoff I’m sorry. Just save an extra month or so and get the real deal. Great video as usual bro
I had a 1st Gen Benelli M1 Super 90 that absolutely refused to function with anything but full power heavy buckshot. Now those are not gas guns and use the recoil spring inside the bolt to cycle so they're a bit different...but I'm betting the problem encountered here is the same one, that being the hammer spring is too heavy. Of course to cycle the bolt has to fully re-cock the hammer and that effort is a lot to overcome especially since the bolt makes initial contact so low on the hammer that it has little leverage. Remember that's one of the ways we tailor 1911's to their ammo by adjusting the radius of the firing pin retaining plate.
Anyhow...the hammer spring was being compressed right to coil bind when fully cocked...and a simple removal of one coil made the gun run 100% with anything looking like a shotgun shell afterwards. Loved that gun...and just wonder how many 'fussy about ammo' guns out there just need a tiny tweak of spring tension to fix them? If you have a 'fussy' gun...check that hammer spring.
Rommel noted the Italians were very good fighters. He also noted the generals in charge were not very good.
Leon Degrelle said the Italians wanted to drink wine and have sex. They got slaughtered while sleeping by Soviets.
I remember reading that, too. Italian troops that were attached to German units and led by German officers fought very well.
_The relationship with the italians are good. The italians are excellent, patient, tough, courageous, but badly commanded and worst armed._
- Excerpt from Rommel's diary
I never understood this Post-WW2 "Meme" of "Italians were terrible Soldiers".
I'm German and like all Germans grew up with WW2 Vets as Grandfathers and Grand Uncles (in my case) and i also experienced many a Summer Night BBQ at my Grandfathers & Parents House with a ton of other Axis Veterans. I never ever heard any of them who worked together with Italian Soldiers at any Front say anything bad about them. The worst i heard was that Italian Soldiers always loved to make Fun of how both they and the French make better Wine, Food etc. but that's at best typical "Soldier Banter".
But there definitely were a lot of Italian Higher Ups who made very stupid Decisions, but that is not to blame on the Soldiers of Italy.
Also i have to mention the insanely overlooked "Decima Flottiglia MAS" of Italy in WW2.
Their Exploits and Missions are legendary and in fact to this Day are still taught to Navy Seals in the US, Kampfschwimmer in Germany etc.
But of course nobody on RUclips or anywhere else likes to mention them, because of the "Italians were bad Soldiers Meme"
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Had a similar one, tore it apart Dremelled it, checked the RH on parts. Aligned, loctited everything. Changed the stock to wood added a flashlight and sling. A sling attachment point on the rear of the bolt side of receiver. Sold it to a guy from the range for the price of 2.
So you sold it for 4 grand? My azz
No yo did not sell a Turkish knockoff for over 3 thousand dollars. Thats not a thing
@@CJ2808 noo, a cheaper copy one. Not this one.
@@DeathMond. ahh fair
Awesome that my country is featured on your channel Admin
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I like the new intro gimmick. Metal Gear vibes. Also, that vibrating sound after every shot in your basement range is noice
I feel so blessed because my parents former landlord once sold me a benelli M4 for $800 (with the receipt, they had paid $1,600 for it). They shot it 4 times and they decided they didn't want a Shotgun anymore. It was WILD. I've had it for 6 years now, and I LOVE it.
I can't help but appreciate the craftsmanship that went into this shotgun, even if it's a departure from the iconic Benelli M4. Sure, it may not have the same heritage or prestige, but let's give credit where it's due.
there is no credit due here.
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That's what I was thinking 😆
The M4 has multiple years on the field to prove itself for reliability.
$1,600 or $1,700 are getting way to close to the cost of the real deal to even consider.
@@biggysnaps2827the turknelli garand thumb used performed better than the actual benelli in the recent tourture test video
Finally a skit with a nod to No Country for Old Men. I love that movie so much.
The problem is the A300 Ultima Patrol and Mossberg 940 Pro Tactical exist for 2/3 of the price.
BENELLI M3 SUPER 90 PICKUP back in 1990 for ABOUT $1000 SHIPPED to my LOCAL FFL this was AUTO/ PUMP AWESOME gun made me Feel SARA CONNER FROM T2 that gun Could take down 8 people in 5 seconds
Thanks for the honest review, pay that much money for a shotty that wobbles it's sights off is a joke tbh. Least for a 350$ clone, you half expect it to fail in ways, fix it and break it in and by the end it's go to go and was less than most commercial AR's.
so nice to see u do a vid on these new turkish bolt-action shottys that look cool like the BM4 XD, on a more serious note it does look baller. and so do ur vids
Your love for cinema makes the content fun. Keep doing your thing cause I fucking love it😂👍
Canuck makes the best Benelli M4 clone (the Canuck Operator). Mine runs everything flawlessly. Paid just over $900 brand new. Looks good in OD green, feels good. Runs great under hard pressure.
Ill always love my m1 super 90. Its never failed me. Been a boat paddle, a club, and a crutch. Like an actual crutch not an emotional one. Well maybe a little of an emotional crutch. Had it almost 2 decades and i wouldnt sell it for anything.
This my first vid and Ngl bro I think you’re my fav guntuber now lol
I think the stock is causing malfunctions. If the bolt is meant to have the inertia to travel enough to eject the spent shell casing from the original design, then the recoil mitigation of the stock is slowing the bolt short of ejection.
FYI, you are not supposed to shoot without a choke. Just have correct choke for the shot - cylinder or improved cylider is ok for slugs. Now the thread on the barrel is most likely gone. As far as the turkish shotguns go, I 100% agree, they are not there yet. Maybe some day.. But this makes you appreciate crafstmanship and know-how that goes to (more expensive) OGs.
Had a Gforce Arms SAX2T. It ran 3" shells out of the box without issue. 2-3/4" were hit and miss and also caused super weak ejection. After about 80 or 90 rounds it cleared up and ate whatever I fed it. Paid 350 for it.
Biggest issue I had was the trigger not resetting after a shot. It was happening at random. I opened a support ticket with GForce Arms and they sent me shipping tags to send it in to have em work on it. RIght before I sent it off I decided to take out the trigger pack and take a look. After some time I figured out it wan't even the trigger. It was the safety. Turns out the notch on the crossbolt safety where the rear of the trigger indexes into it was getting lodged into the channel for it, if I squeezed the trigger hard.
So I cleaned up the channel of the safety, taking a few thousands of an inch off. (Of course keeping plenty of material still there for the safety to work)
After cleaning it up it wasn't an issue again.
Going in I expected problems being it's an 350 dollar semi auto turk shotty.
Why would you pay 1301 prices, even slightly more, for a Turkish knockoff? The whole reason of going with knockoffs is because they're significantly cheaper.
Get a 1301, save yourself a ton and get an A300, or pony up just a little bit more and get an actual M4. This thing is pointless.
I own a Benelli M-Faux my Revolution armoury here in canada and I quite like it.
Anything this man posts makes everything better, it makes gaming better, it makes food better, it makes socializing better, and it makes my life better :)
Sounds like you’re in love!
I have one of the turknelli knockoff M4s I think called the SDS Tac-12, which I think was a slightly better version of the Panzer S4. Initially it just hung up on everything, birdshot, slug, buck, whatever. I found out it was basically just the feed ramp that was too sharp an angle. Polished it up and now it runs everything. Yes even cheapo bird shot. I think it was a well spent $600. Not gonna shell out $1600 for a clone when you can get a real one for $200 more but $600 was a good price
Great video as always Admin
Knock off pizza is still good.
Is there anything like having ah "hand tossed" crust?
You thought I wouldn’t catch the MW2 intro theme, but I did.
I bought a Panzer Arms M4 and replaced the stock with their adjustable one, threw on a Vortex red dot, Midwest Industries handguard, muzzle brake choke tube (because why not), a crimson trace light I had lying around for another build I never got around to and a full length mag tube. Including ammo (500 00 buck from black aces, and 500 turkish slugs) the total cost was about the same as the Orthos. I've thus far put a little under 500 rounds of various slugs, 00 buck and high velocity buckshot through it without issue. So far.
The turkish slugs are garbage tier, at least one of them was loaded super light and barely kicked (gun still cycled fine though), and just looking at the rifling on the slugs themselves as well as the "hollow point" on the tip, they were only good for range use. The 00 buck from black aces was/is fine.
Is it a Benelli? No. Is it just as good? No. Is it "good enough" if you just want the looks and a fun range toy? Absolutely. I wouldn't trust it for home defense, let alone actual combat use. One day I'll get the real one.
The minecraft music in the background fits so well lol
Now it ain’t semi auto, and it doesn’t look as cool, but it’s still damn hard to beat the value of a maverick 88 security. Super reliable, 8+1, and ~$270
The way I see it, ported barrel, mlok rail, cerakote finish. For a little less than m4 MSRP, badass gun just like he said the m4 still exists
9:01 some metal gear solid 4 advertisement pleading screen right here 💎
the dreadnaught horn genuinly scared me
Smoothest ad intro/Segway seen yet. 😎 ... table add. smooth touch
Let's talk Turkey on this episode of Administrative Results!!!
Turkey is plenty capable of producing any quality you want. It’s the importers that are setting the specs. They are basically telling the manufacturers what price point they want, and they manufacture down to it. This gun does have a lifetime, transferable warranty though. However, for less than a grand, you can get the LE Beretta A300 Patrol, put on an optic, light and sling and still be under $1500.
You mentioning the Safari vest being great with a shotgun just made me think back to Jurassic Park and clever girl. You totally missed it even though it's not a SPAS
I died at the my wife would be really mad at me. He’s so real for that
yes I understand I'm late to commenting but that issue with the fiocchi bird shot is something my friends had the same issue with last year in a semi auto hunting shotgun to the extent of partially tearing brass off the shell seems to be a QC issue with their ammo not just isolated to us that is wild
Truly a good day when you upload, King
Minecraft music over a Clint Smith quote is not what I expected this early into 2024.
Drive a Fiat. I dare you.
I do too it just says Ram
Don't have to, it's driving itself into inflation.
Love the “No country for old men” reference!
I didn't know I was going to get your ad break before the video
Minecraft music while shooting watermelons really came out of left field. Kind of a vibe
Bought the same exact shotgun and I love it! Haven’t had any malfunctions so far with about 500 rounds of mix bag. Paid 1700 for it, sure that’s steep but it’s definitely a cheaper option than the m4 I have to pay another 1k to upgrade. 🤷♂️
Mossberg 930 and 940JM Pro guns are still about 700-900 used (new?).
930 is same reliability of Turkish.
@immikeurnot bullshit, sample size of 3 in my friend group and never had 1 failure in probably close to 800rds on all 3 guns (800 rds per gun).
We've seen more than that on real banellis on GT and TFBTV. M4's are over hyped to hell and back.
Bro i love the minecraft music during the slow mo
I know that the video is mostly for the American audience but we have to remember something
In most countries the only kind of gun you can legally own is a cheap smooth barrel one
And that's important for a Manufacturer
Having said that I would still go for the prototype - if can afford it
Nice review. For the money I think I would go for the Beretta A300, or just go all the way and get the M4.
I really love those little cinematic scenes lol, great review btw. I’m still waiting for a new episode of rip the drip
I use to run a 870 with the Blackhawk Knocks stock... it double kicks and would induce failures
Yeah BUDDY! BOUGHT MINE A MONTH AGO AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!! LOVE IT MAN!!!
I already got 2 cheap Turkenelli knock off M4's.. and for that kind of money I would just get a Beretta 1301!
The background music is a very nice touch. I thought music was on in another window
Love the shades and the vest, very 1970 "Villain" look.
You should have gotten the 3 year protection plan plan for only $5.00 more on the mainstays folding table.
Now that's Greta value!
I miss the Benelli M-Faux title. RIP in pepperonis
Looking at getting a Panzer M4 SPEED PRO they’re around $600.
Look solid MLok, Pic rails, ports, pistol grip. +2 tube extension if you want to buy it. A 1:1 replica you can put any Benelli parts on there.
For $600 I can get a tactical shotgun with wood finish and then change out parts at will to make it reliable. But then it’s like dammit should I just get the A300 then
At that price point I wouldn’t do it. I bought a new m4 le model with the tele stock and full capacity with night sights for 1900. You gotta shop a little. I will always pay more for a known product. I can see the turknelli at the sun 500 mark but not this. I am curious if the gun was new when you got it. Even a real m4 wouldn’t low brass until broken in with a few hundred buckshot and slugs. At least that was my experience and the experience of several other owners I have talked with.
In the game Hearts of Iron 2, Italian tech teams were all pretty good but almost universally lacked industrial efficiency as one of their skills. I always think of it when I see Italian products because that it was so spot on. Beretta might have been one of the few that did, I can't remember.
It could be possible that the managed recoil buffer stock, is affecting the inertia cycling system of the bolt. Using lighter shot shell loads, with this style stock, may contribute to ejection problems.
Bro can u do a video of cartel gear breakdown next video honestly curious what they be rocking
Bro sorry for my bad english, ı have translated for google translate . Shotgun cartridges in Turkey. It is designed for use in Turkish hunting rifles. Since it is difficult to buy a gun due to the law in my country, illegal guns are generally used in the villages. Turkish cartridges are used in these weapons. When we import these weapons abroad, the size of the cartridges confuses us. The reason is related to the cartridges you have. There are small differences between cartridge sizes in Türkiye and America.
Hi point did the spring recoil pads better lol. Great video!!!
$1700 for a questionable quality Turkish shotgun is not an "economic option"
Work harder and get a Benelli
This is a “modified” clone which is why it’s $1,600, a “modified” beretta or m4 equal to this would cost a lot more.
For example, the “agency arms” modified benelli m4 that has similar mods to this orthos costs $4,800.
Comparing $1,399 to $4,800 is a drastic difference.
I bought my 1301 for 1300 a couple years ago. Not sure exactly how much they are now. Extension tube. And a case of limited flight buck shot later. It still works just fine.
There is one more cheaper, but very GOOD, copy of M4 called Aksa S4. It's often described as Turknelli, so your # surprised me.
This will be a long comment. I bought A Taurus P92 AF for 424.$ On 02.07.09 As with everything I buy I want to know all about it. So when researching this tool I found out that Beretta couldn't complete the build quaintness required by the military. It was easier to duplicate all there tooling and ship it all off to south America to Miguel Taurus. Each item even had Beretta stamped on it. So you never knew if you got a Italian tool or one from south America. Once the contract was filled Italy thought it would cost too much to have all the tooling sent back. Miguel made them an offer and thats how the Taurus company began. I know that was off topic but fallow along. On 02.23.2016 I bought a Mossberg JM930 PRO for only 691.01$. Before I ever used it I took it to a friends house that thought he had to have the best in everything. He popped off every round in it and and said "Damn this is as good if not better than my Bonelli"! How much did it cost? He asked. He was sick when I told him. Unfortunately I lost my collection in a boating accident.
If I had to pick something in lieu of a Benelli, I wouldn't go for a Turkish clone. Beretta has shotguns that seem like better "economical alternatives". As for the Palmetto State AR15, I dunno. If you're looking for an affordable, entry level AR...for quality vs price point, the Smith & Wesson M&P15 is really hard to beat.
Minecraft Music during the ballistic testing lol
For 1400 you can get a Beretta 1301. It's insane to buy this. If it was $800-1000 I'd consider it.
My buddy has a M4 , ive never ran it but i have held it and stroked the hell out of it , he had a ton of money in her , tube ,furniture gas work rails and a Trijicon , if i remember right like 4 grand ish ?? Idk ? It nice though
Having worked on some older Italian cars. I question their craftsmanship ship. They make them beautiful, but function wise …….
You got to meet my buddy at a Mesa dealership for your truck (will not list which dealership for privacy reasons) he sent me a photo and might I say I was hella jealous
My first shotgun was/is a Cesar Guerini Summit Sporting (Italian hand made) still a smaller producer than Beretta, but i believe one might get better quality at the same price range with for that reason. Id definitely buy the Benelli in this case tho, too small of a price difference to go for a knockoff, you know they had to cut off quality somewhere and id also rather support that old Italian craftmanship.
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