I've got FSD on a Model S and it is annoying that NoA is not much different than autopilot+autosteer. I do think it's down to EU/UK regulation. I think the worst is how much steering it can apply. If you go around a bend that's too much then it will disengage for "safety" reasons as in line with the regulations. But how is it safe to suddenly disengage at some random point when going around a bend. It's more likely the disengagement will cause accidents.
Surely that restriction is because of doing a bend at certain speeds? I can see its logic but the "safety" solution just makes it worse. Wouldn't it be better to simply slow down to whichever speeds is needed for X degree bend? The only other reason I can think of is to avoid the car going off road suddenly for whatever reason. But in that case, the autopilot is clearly not ready since it can't even see the road..
This disengaging in bends is very interesting implementation because I only experience this disengagement in Tesla's where as the Ioniq 6 doesnt disengage on Bends not sure if HDA 2.0 has got approval for the bends,but for a company that claims to sell Full Self Driving beta in the UK Tesla has the least driver assistance in the UK.Hyundai ground are way ahead in the UK
From my understanding, in the UK and EU, Tesla is forced to limit the amount of steering with auto steer due to regulation. Supposedly it is about safety but limiting the steering makes it more unsafe not less. It's not Tesla's fault, it's the EU regulations they have to legally abide by.
@4:30 - sitting in the mini blind spot is quite uncomfortable watching. Either get past, or don't, but sitting there just because its the same speed isn't safe. (Yes, the mini would have to do something stupid, but people do). Car could put itself in a safer position. You'd fail any advanced driving/riding by just sitting there.
Interesting results from the past few years. I remember watching your old videos and lane changing wasn't great. It would indicate, try to merge and then see a car coming behind and then suddenly turn harshly into its original lane. Great improvements. Keep up the great videos!
It's good especially considering the legislative restrictions we have in the UK and the fact the developers must have been focused on FSD V12 which is completely different AI code. I actually look forward to long journeys in our MY FSD.
My S FSD here in Oz for years has done lane changes as frantic lunges instead of my own smooth easing into the new lane. On changing back 75% of the time it would get just about into the slower lane and then, without warning, lunge back into the lane just vacated with a jerk that felt as if it had lost control. After the last update the lane changes feel much more natural: a little faster than I like but not as horrifying as before. About time. Safety is paramount, yes, but comfort and mental wellbeing are also important.
I got a model 3 yesterday. Only driven it locally so far but put Autopilot on to see what would happen. To my surprise, it works on "normal" and even on housing estate road (bigger ones anyway). I thought it would only function on the Motorway and give me cruise control on other roads. Software is latest. Pretty sure it does not have FSD or enhanced AP. Not sure what the limitations are. Will it take a an actual corner or just able to mange lighter bends? I assume just llght bends/ twists and turns kind of thing. Still I wasn't expecting that so still impressed!
I have fsd in the UK and yes it's not great, but I honestly believe that it will definitely come and we will eventually get the same as they have in the US. Patience my friends
@@madcam3899 Where is the point in having a system you constantly having to supervise ? Do you honestly believe FSD could in the least ever handle your famous magic roundabouts? I watched so many FSD videos and saw it run red lights numerous of times. I would lose my license for that here in Germany and it would be probably of no use trying to convince the officer it was the car and not me...
So after +10 years of development and inspite of the perpetual promises, it's decision making on the low hanging fruit of motorway driving is still not any better than a learner driver. I can understand that it might still not be able to handle heavy urban traffic, but here? This surprises me. This, together with the fact that every time there is an update, you have to re-establish any trust you might have had prior. Really, what's the point of it all...?
The automatic exit function was removed on the behest of the German authorities - because of instances where this function has driven other cars off the road when trying to take an exit ramp at too high speed/too late - the motto being: "The good driver may miss his exit once in a while, a bad autopilot will never miss it"...
So based on what I am seeing here in the states, it would not be at all surprising that FSD version 12 will be hitting the states soon, and I’m talking about as soon as 2024. I think Tesla is really, really, close to actually cracking the conundrum of a fully autonomous capable driving car, and I say that because of the development of the Optimus robot, which I don’t believe anyone predicted that reveal, and look how quickly Optimus has moved from a cranky, really funky, looking piece of machinery to where its at today, and so in order for Optimus to be fully operational, and commercially available to others, Tesla has to be far ahead of where anyone would have predicted it to be, and with their supercomputer dojo on the job working with the FSD team at Tesla, I think that reality will be realized a lot sooner than most would predict, and so, as Elon recently said, version 12 will not be beta, and even though often times he says things, and it doesn’t happen, in the timeframe that most would think, but he did not exactly put a date on it, but he hinted that it could be as soon as next year. Cheers 🥂
Yeh very exciting stuff happening across the pond. I’ll keep an eye out for V12 videos and make some compilations & reactions until we get some upgrade (not holding my breath for 2024 but maybe 2025?) - They will 100% crack it within this decade, after all we drive with 2 eyes looking in 1 direction and a smart but not upgradable brain vs 8 360degree vision eyes and a brain that’s forever on an accelerating curve! 🍻
@@TeslaDriver So I should add that I am very excited about seeing where the upper limits of this AI technology can actually go, because we don’t know that, in fact, no one knows that, and so having some kid think of something that no one else has thought about, is a real possibility that could change the equation altogether. I mean who predicted the rise of AI? I sure as hell didn’t, and if you think about it, AI is doing so much right now behind the scenes that we’re not even aware of and so I am betting my future, and the future of humanity on having an AI solve problems, that many would have once thought of as simply not possible of ever being solved, and yet look how quickly the pharmaceutical companies came up with a vaccine for the COVID-19 virus, a virus that most of us had never heard of, and certainly had never seen such devastation as we all witness with over 1 million people dying in the US. So I am among the lucky ones because I’m over 65. I never tested positive, and I followed all CDC guidelines of wearing mask and frequently washing my hands, which I normally did anyway, and I made sure I got vaccinated, in fact, I just got my annual booster shot just a few months ago, and I thank God and the pharmaceutical companies that not only did I not get sick with COVID-19 virus, but no one in my immediate family or extended family got sick or was hospitalized because of the COVID-19 virus either. Cheers.
They are lightyears away from cracking that in Europe. The cars aren't even capable of reading the road signs correctly or the traffic lights at all (the cameras don't cover the necessary angles to get the traffic light in view when first on the stopping line. We don't have the idiot crossings where the traffic lights are "optional" on the other side of the junction, we have them where the car must stop, so that no mentality of "I was past the stopping line when the lights changed to yellow" can come up.
It's actually only half that at £3400 for all the navigate on autopilot and motorway entry and exits. The only added thing in FSD for an extra 3.4k is stopping at traffic lights (Until stupid EU regulations get out the way)☠
Always enjoy watchign your videos and seeing how the software in the Tesla's has come along. It would be nice in some situations if you could wait for the car to decide so we can see the actual requests made by the computer. I know it may not be how you normally drive, but the videos are showing what the car does more than what a human would decide to do. Keep making more videos on this when you can. It's great to see these. Please take my comment as constructive rather than negative, because I do appreciate what you do.
"FSD" (watered down EAP) in Europe is trash. It is not worth the money. Too many regulations makes this useless without the auto lane change. If I have to tell it to each time I might just as well do it myself...
Yes, we had a free 1 month trial and it just isn't useful in its current state in the UK. Summon was just as a bad, some regulation stating you couldn't be more than 3 metres away from the car while using summon, so you can basically take the car for a walk.
Judging by the signs on the roadabout at about 9:15, the roundabout was part of the motorway so a bit odd to come out of the motorway driving mode. Disappointing as well that it does not reflect the speed limit applied in the roadworks before the roundabout.
Thank you for a great video. I am just about to set off on a 2000 mile road trip from London to the south of Spain in my new M3 Highland, driving alone with two dogs. I have done the trip several times in my previous Jaguar iPace. Contemplating whether paying the £3400 for Enhanced Autopilot is worth it in terms of reduced driver fatigue and safety. If there were a monthly subscription option I would definitely have done it, or if the EA upgrade was transferrable to my next Tesla in 2-3 years
Tesla is clearly taking the mick. Would you buy a taxi and then pay a taxi driver an annual salary to be a passenger while you drive your car everywhere? That is what Tesla have actually achieved!
Clearly you don't understand that this wasn't a rollback Tesla wanted, this was forced on them by the EU and their political attack on Elon Musk. Unfortunately, the EU have intentionally made FSD more annoying and possibly less safe to attack Tesla and weaken Musks hold on this technology and the fact Tesla outsells the German car manufacturers in every market and is years behind Tesla.
@@grahambrown42 You sound like you’re in a cargo cult. it’s not a loyalty scheme! Model 3’s have been around for about 6 years now but still the carrot is being dangled and the faithful do their duty for no return on their investment, except for fart sounds and lightshow changes.
UK FSD is not great and hasn’t improved much in years, but you can really tell how few 💩s are given by Tesla engineers when they still have the car indicating to remain on a motorway when you drive past an exit. It’s so unnecessary, so random and so dangerous.
I enjoy your NoA drives and commentary as they just as I experience here in Australia. I’m interested to know if you see some of the annoying issues I’m still seeing. First is that if I’m on a dual carriage way and turn on NoA the car instantly wants to go to the right lane then come back to the left later. Second, do you find it really skittish around bike riders to your left even if they have their own bike lane and there is a separation between car lane and bike lane.
Thanks! :) Ive not experienced an instant ask to change lanes but it does ask in areas where there is absolutely no reason to. With Bikes & any pedestrian the car is overly cautious (probably a good thing) but I can normally tell when the car is going to react even if they are on the pavement. Bikes are v tough for it as its legally not allowed to overtake and even if they are in a bike lane if the line isn't solid white and about 2 meters away it won't pass
I haven't used noa in ages because it just nags to change lanes all the time, even when it's inappropriate eg. you're going at 70 and it says 'change lane into the faster lane'. AP works well enough, although they never fixed the dangerous swerve if it decides to abort a lane change halfway.
Yeh I just ignore it normally and ask it to change lanes when I see fit, have you tried the other driving modes? I found Mad Max to want to hop from lane to lane all the time for no reason
Wouldn't it feel better/more natural just to indicate yourself and let it move over ? Like before it wants to itself - Though I presume you didn't do that as your showing the auto pilot, I imagine real world driving you just flick indicator and the car changes lanes as you will?
@@TeslaDriverthanks. Do you think setting it further would encourage the overtake feature to initiate a little earlier as you would have liked it to? I dunno, just a thought.
I think it seems to be cancelling the instructions whenever you override it. For example, if you indicate to go back in to a lane as it was too late picking it up, it is almost as if it is then turning off that part until you next follow what it suggests. I suppose this will always be the problem with AI that tries to think for us. I guess if that can be confirmed at least we know and can address it
It’s called ‘The Navigate on Autopilot Icon’ in the owners manual. I have mine set to do NoA as soon as it’s available so I rarely touch it, but it’s there 👍🏽
Its gone backwards due to UK putting restrictions on autonomous driving functions. Until they re-evaluate their rules Tesla cannot re enable this feature.
Yeh I wish they played nice with the regulators like ford seem to be doing, hands free & able to go one and off ramp is what the Tesla should be able to do
Apart from "asking" to change lanes ,how is this better than Toyota's adaptive cruise control, lane departure control, and anti collision ? So long as my hands are on the wheel, it almost drives itself 🤔 .
@TeslaDriver I do have to have more "awareness " , mirror, signal, manoeuvre, but in your video, the car did make some poor choices which you had to override . Do you have to pay extra for FSD ? Now that I'm retired, I may look at going full EV.
Will you try covering the cabin camera whilst using AP and show what happens? I dont think its right that the cabin camera is required as neither the driver or occupants have consented to being recorded regardless if it leaves the car or not, its still stored in the black box. Does it still function?
I'm not sure you understand what I am saying, I paid for full fsd knowing full well that it would be a very long wait for it to self drive my car. I still think that it will definitely happen and am happy to wait for that day when it does
Was this a comment to a previous comment? If so can you reply there so we can keep conversations going as this has totally thrown me 😂👍🏽 But in short I totally agree with this, however I was told when I bought the car it would do WAY more by the end of 2019… it’s only done less since then 😬
FSD is the biggest waste of money I have made in years. I have a new Model 3 in Portugal and FSD is a joke, I don't understand how they're even allowed to market and sell it as such. It cannot even do the basics of "radar" cruise control properly without frequent phantom braking and acceleration - hardly a surprise given they decided to remove the radar. If you're considering buying a Tesla, don't waste your 7500€ on something that doesn't work and IMO has no prospect of ever working in the lifetime of the car.
The car hangs around too long in the slower vehicle's blind spot. It lacks that logic to speed up a few mph to get past a vehicle before returning to 70mph.
Remaining in the middle lane for so long could result in a fine so still room for improvement. I do like some of the ‘optional’ features on Tesla’s, some very clever software and certainly a leader. Having a Kia Niro, it has some good features but nothing this clever, I just don’t like the look of Teslas so went for the Niro (which I’m very happy with).
I hope you know the meaning of FSD.. if not let me just make this clear.. this is NOT FSD.. your hand is on your wheel it has an auto lane change and auto forward (like any other 2024 car) so yeah this is still obsolete. Full self drive means you do 0 effort to drive lol
No, it’s a very strange area of the law that was implemented in 2003 for telephone/communication devices. You can, for example, use your touch screen phone if it’s securely mounted. Here’s an overview: Using devices hands-free You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example: a Bluetooth headset voice command a dashboard holder or mat a windscreen mount a built-in sat nav The device must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead.
Anyone with a competent driver's education course knows that - whilst driving - the human brain makes dozens of calculations while driving, adjusting for speed, incline, weather, road curvature, traffic, other vehicle size, type, condition, other driver conditions (children in the back seat, for example), lanes of travel, destination, etc., and although a computer and cameras can make many of them (and some of them superior -- traffic conditions beyond one's vision, for example), no computer or camera can be as efficient as the human brain in making the myriad of calculations necessary for safe driving. Many computer innovations -- lane departure warning, lane-change warning, forward collision avoidance -- are essential to improving vehicle safety. A completely self-driving vehicle on existing roadways is a pipe dream.
You should have a good look at what V12.1 can do in the states, and to think that’s only with 5/6 years of progress. I think the pipe dream will be a reality by the end of this decade, not perfect by any means but way, way safer than a human with distractions, imperfections and emotions that are incredibly dangerous when behind the wheel.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to have autopilot at all when none of the cars are communicating with each other. On top of that, driving a car is much more dynamic than a plane at their cruising altitude.
Your car will be long dead before fsd is fit for purpose in the UK - decade away or more . Will be sooner in other regions - hopefully, as it's easier there with straight wide roads etc .have. A Drive round parts of Scotland , Wales , or tiny country villages .
@@TeslaDriver its not just the UK though its crap in all countries that use the left hand side of the road to drive. Its only been build to drive on the wrong side with American road rules
Why your video title is "Full Self driving" whikebthere is no FSD in UK? In UI and Europe you have Autopilot and Eap (like in your video) and it is not FSD... Clickbait much?
This is called Full self driving capability in the uk… you can get Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot then FSD Capability. Easy to misunderstand but now you know 👍🏽
@@TeslaDriver I know the difference. There is no FSD capability in UK. It is not enabled by Tesla. You have only AP and NOA (when you have EAP). In your case you are showing NOA AP (Autopilot) displays car inside the two blue lines, NOA (navigate on auto pilot) gives you lane changes and displays car on single blue line. FSD in Uk is sold by Tesla but is not enabled. Therefore your video titles are misleading
@@yessuz You must be fun at parties! 'Eyy you shouldn't have more than 2 units of alcohol per day as per WHO guidelines. OMG you drank 2.1 units tonight - you need to go to rehab!!'
@@yessuz Technically you now get traffic light stop start on FSD over EAP but I guess they needed to offer something extra for the £3400. Personally I'll stop and save the £££
I've got FSD on a Model S and it is annoying that NoA is not much different than autopilot+autosteer. I do think it's down to EU/UK regulation. I think the worst is how much steering it can apply. If you go around a bend that's too much then it will disengage for "safety" reasons as in line with the regulations. But how is it safe to suddenly disengage at some random point when going around a bend. It's more likely the disengagement will cause accidents.
Surely that restriction is because of doing a bend at certain speeds? I can see its logic but the "safety" solution just makes it worse. Wouldn't it be better to simply slow down to whichever speeds is needed for X degree bend?
The only other reason I can think of is to avoid the car going off road suddenly for whatever reason. But in that case, the autopilot is clearly not ready since it can't even see the road..
This disengaging in bends is very interesting implementation because I only experience this disengagement in Tesla's where as the Ioniq 6 doesnt disengage on Bends not sure if HDA 2.0 has got approval for the bends,but for a company that claims to sell Full Self Driving beta in the UK Tesla has the least driver assistance in the UK.Hyundai ground are way ahead in the UK
From my understanding, in the UK and EU, Tesla is forced to limit the amount of steering with auto steer due to regulation. Supposedly it is about safety but limiting the steering makes it more unsafe not less. It's not Tesla's fault, it's the EU regulations they have to legally abide by.
I remember watching your videos back in 2020 and 2021, it's crazy how time flies
I remember watching when iOS 12 was unveiled in the summer.
Time flies but FSD does not 😅
Now that you've mentioned it, I want to see "Mad Max Mode" on the M6 from Preston to Birmingham, taking in the M61, and M60 lol
@4:30 - sitting in the mini blind spot is quite uncomfortable watching. Either get past, or don't, but sitting there just because its the same speed isn't safe. (Yes, the mini would have to do something stupid, but people do). Car could put itself in a safer position. You'd fail any advanced driving/riding by just sitting there.
Interesting results from the past few years. I remember watching your old videos and lane changing wasn't great. It would indicate, try to merge and then see a car coming behind and then suddenly turn harshly into its original lane. Great improvements. Keep up the great videos!
It's good especially considering the legislative restrictions we have in the UK and the fact the developers must have been focused on FSD V12 which is completely different AI code. I actually look forward to long journeys in our MY FSD.
An interesting demonstration. Thank you for taking your time to share.
My S FSD here in Oz for years has done lane changes as frantic lunges instead of my own smooth easing into the new lane. On changing back 75% of the time it would get just about into the slower lane and then, without warning, lunge back into the lane just vacated with a jerk that felt as if it had lost control.
After the last update the lane changes feel much more natural: a little faster than I like but not as horrifying as before.
About time. Safety is paramount, yes, but comfort and mental wellbeing are also important.
Having FSD myself here in the UK I have noticed it's a bit of a centre lane hog, and really doesn't like cones at all...lol
Wait for the fine to arrive in the post, who will be to blame? One for the courts lol😂
@@Ian-xq4rtno fines ever
@@andrewstorm8240 We can be fined in the UK, a big issue over here (and not getting any better!).
@@Ian-xq4rt Centre lane hogging is such a boomer issue. The roads are far too busy now, best you can hope is no one blocking the right hand lane.
@@samwise8735 Often on my trips leaving London at night on the M1 there are drivers in the far right lane when all the lanes to the left are empty :(
I got a model 3 yesterday. Only driven it locally so far but put Autopilot on to see what would happen. To my surprise, it works on "normal" and even on housing estate road (bigger ones anyway). I thought it would only function on the Motorway and give me cruise control on other roads. Software is latest. Pretty sure it does not have FSD or enhanced AP. Not sure what the limitations are. Will it take a an actual corner or just able to mange lighter bends? I assume just llght bends/ twists and turns kind of thing. Still I wasn't expecting that so still impressed!
I wish we had the US FSD
Not safe so what's the point ?
I have fsd in the UK and yes it's not great, but I honestly believe that it will definitely come and we will eventually get the same as they have in the US. Patience my friends
@@madcam3899
Where is the point in having a system you constantly having to supervise ?
Do you honestly believe FSD could in the least ever handle your famous magic roundabouts?
I watched so many FSD videos and saw it run red lights numerous of times.
I would lose my license for that here in Germany and it would be probably of no use trying to convince the officer it was the car and not me...
Same ⏰
They are testing in the UK, so reckon we could have it in two years ish
There is a setting for overtaking aggressiveness. If it is 'low' then it may be too patient and wait longer behind lorries.
I think I'm a few videos behind, I'll have to look to see what I've missed. Good to see you making new videos.
So after +10 years of development and inspite of the perpetual promises, it's decision making on the low hanging fruit of motorway driving is still not any better than a learner driver. I can understand that it might still not be able to handle heavy urban traffic, but here? This surprises me. This, together with the fact that every time there is an update, you have to re-establish any trust you might have had prior. Really, what's the point of it all...?
Hi, check out the USA Chuck Cook video from 4 days ago of his v12.5.6 highway test.
The automatic exit function was removed on the behest of the German authorities - because of instances where this function has driven other cars off the road when trying to take an exit ramp at too high speed/too late - the motto being: "The good driver may miss his exit once in a while, a bad autopilot will never miss it"...
So based on what I am seeing here in the states, it would not be at all surprising that FSD version 12 will be hitting the states soon, and I’m talking about as soon as 2024.
I think Tesla is really, really, close to actually cracking the conundrum of a fully autonomous capable driving car, and I say that because of the development of the Optimus robot, which I don’t believe anyone predicted that reveal, and look how quickly Optimus has moved from a cranky, really funky, looking piece of machinery to where its at today, and so in order for Optimus to be fully operational, and commercially available to others, Tesla has to be far ahead of where anyone would have predicted it to be, and with their supercomputer dojo on the job working with the FSD team at Tesla, I think that reality will be realized a lot sooner than most would predict, and so, as Elon recently said, version 12 will not be beta, and even though often times he says things, and it doesn’t happen, in the timeframe that most would think, but he did not exactly put a date on it, but he hinted that it could be as soon as next year. Cheers 🥂
Yeh very exciting stuff happening across the pond. I’ll keep an eye out for V12 videos and make some compilations & reactions until we get some upgrade (not holding my breath for 2024 but maybe 2025?) - They will 100% crack it within this decade, after all we drive with 2 eyes looking in 1 direction and a smart but not upgradable brain vs 8 360degree vision eyes and a brain that’s forever on an accelerating curve! 🍻
@@TeslaDriver Exactly! I think you’re spot on! Cheers 🥂
@@TeslaDriver So I should add that I am very excited about seeing where the upper limits of this AI technology can actually go, because we don’t know that, in fact, no one knows that, and so having some kid think of something that no one else has thought about, is a real possibility that could change the equation altogether.
I mean who predicted the rise of AI? I sure as hell didn’t, and if you think about it, AI is doing so much right now behind the scenes that we’re not even aware of and so I am betting my future, and the future of humanity on having an AI solve problems, that many would have once thought of as simply not possible of ever being solved, and yet look how quickly the pharmaceutical companies came up with a vaccine for the COVID-19 virus, a virus that most of us had never heard of, and certainly had never seen such devastation as we all witness with over 1 million people dying in the US.
So I am among the lucky ones because I’m over 65. I never tested positive, and I followed all CDC guidelines of wearing mask and frequently washing my hands, which I normally did anyway, and I made sure I got vaccinated, in fact, I just got my annual booster shot just a few months ago, and I thank God and the pharmaceutical companies that not only did I not get sick with COVID-19 virus, but no one in my immediate family or extended family got sick or was hospitalized because of the COVID-19 virus either. Cheers.
@@TeslaDriver Nicely said, people think they're unsafe etc. It makes no sense whatsoever.
They are lightyears away from cracking that in Europe. The cars aren't even capable of reading the road signs correctly or the traffic lights at all (the cameras don't cover the necessary angles to get the traffic light in view when first on the stopping line. We don't have the idiot crossings where the traffic lights are "optional" on the other side of the junction, we have them where the car must stop, so that no mentality of "I was past the stopping line when the lights changed to yellow" can come up.
Thank you for the video! It's very useful! Does auto drive work at night? Especially with rain and headlights on in coming cars?
Impressive, but not sure thats worth £6800 extra
It’s not 🙅🏽♂️
It's actually only half that at £3400 for all the navigate on autopilot and motorway entry and exits. The only added thing in FSD for an extra 3.4k is stopping at traffic lights (Until stupid EU regulations get out the way)☠
I would say it is unsure about the need to change lines when there is a slight bend in the road.
Omar from "Whole Mars Catalog" channel, already have an early V12 on his Model S and it's looking great; very human-like experience.
Always enjoy watchign your videos and seeing how the software in the Tesla's has come along.
It would be nice in some situations if you could wait for the car to decide so we can see the actual requests made by the computer. I know it may not be how you normally drive, but the videos are showing what the car does more than what a human would decide to do.
Keep making more videos on this when you can. It's great to see these. Please take my comment as constructive rather than negative, because I do appreciate what you do.
+1 for this. It'd be interesting to see when the car would naturally decide on a lane change (traffic permitting)
"FSD" (watered down EAP) in Europe is trash. It is not worth the money. Too many regulations makes this useless without the auto lane change. If I have to tell it to each time I might just as well do it myself...
Yes, we had a free 1 month trial and it just isn't useful in its current state in the UK. Summon was just as a bad, some regulation stating you couldn't be more than 3 metres away from the car while using summon, so you can basically take the car for a walk.
Judging by the signs on the roadabout at about 9:15, the roundabout was part of the motorway so a bit odd to come out of the motorway driving mode. Disappointing as well that it does not reflect the speed limit applied in the roadworks before the roundabout.
EU/UN made automatic lane change illegal. Has to be user initiated and within a 3-5second window. Quite dumb
Thank you for a great video. I am just about to set off on a 2000 mile road trip from London to the south of Spain in my new M3 Highland, driving alone with two dogs. I have done the trip several times in my previous Jaguar iPace. Contemplating whether paying the £3400 for Enhanced Autopilot is worth it in terms of reduced driver fatigue and safety. If there were a monthly subscription option I would definitely have done it, or if the EA upgrade was transferrable to my next Tesla in 2-3 years
Thanks for the demonstration. How long does it take to tell you to put hands on the wheel when you take them off?
Tesla is clearly taking the mick. Would you buy a taxi and then pay a taxi driver an annual salary to be a passenger while you drive your car everywhere? That is what Tesla have actually achieved!
Clearly you don't understand that this wasn't a rollback Tesla wanted, this was forced on them by the EU and their political attack on Elon Musk.
Unfortunately, the EU have intentionally made FSD more annoying and possibly less safe to attack Tesla and weaken Musks hold on this technology and the fact Tesla outsells the German car manufacturers in every market and is years behind Tesla.
While in Beta.
We are in a snapshot in time before cars drive themselves.
A little patience required.
I don't believe this will peak until 2035, it's about matching tech and not having the restrictions
Isn't Waymo doing the same for free?
@@grahambrown42 You sound like you’re in a cargo cult. it’s not a loyalty scheme! Model 3’s have been around for about 6 years now but still the carrot is being dangled and the faithful do their duty for no return on their investment, except for fart sounds and lightshow changes.
UK FSD is not great and hasn’t improved much in years, but you can really tell how few 💩s are given by Tesla engineers when they still have the car indicating to remain on a motorway when you drive past an exit. It’s so unnecessary, so random and so dangerous.
Does the speed limit change automatically from like 60 to 70 zones?
I enjoy your NoA drives and commentary as they just as I experience here in Australia. I’m interested to know if you see some of the annoying issues I’m still seeing. First is that if I’m on a dual carriage way and turn on NoA the car instantly wants to go to the right lane then come back to the left later. Second, do you find it really skittish around bike riders to your left even if they have their own bike lane and there is a separation between car lane and bike lane.
Thanks! :) Ive not experienced an instant ask to change lanes but it does ask in areas where there is absolutely no reason to. With Bikes & any pedestrian the car is overly cautious (probably a good thing) but I can normally tell when the car is going to react even if they are on the pavement. Bikes are v tough for it as its legally not allowed to overtake and even if they are in a bike lane if the line isn't solid white and about 2 meters away it won't pass
Can't wait for you getting the UK vision of FSD beta.
Have a great 2024
Is this the 2022 model of the model 3 or the 2021 model?
Love the videos again
I haven't used noa in ages because it just nags to change lanes all the time, even when it's inappropriate eg. you're going at 70 and it says 'change lane into the faster lane'. AP works well enough, although they never fixed the dangerous swerve if it decides to abort a lane change halfway.
Yeh I just ignore it normally and ask it to change lanes when I see fit, have you tried the other driving modes? I found Mad Max to want to hop from lane to lane all the time for no reason
How does it work in Worcester city centre? Does it still do Auto Pilot in city area?
Any idea why my model Y doesnt have any of these features but it still has FSD and autosteer?
Wouldn't it feel better/more natural just to indicate yourself and let it move over ? Like before it wants to itself - Though I presume you didn't do that as your showing the auto pilot, I imagine real world driving you just flick indicator and the car changes lanes as you will?
Yeh I was just letting it do what it thought was best, normally I just command it when I think best 👍🏽
Why isn’t it changing lanes on its own?
It has never changed lanes on its own in the UK and they removed the ability to go on and off ramps on its own due to legislation :/
Great vid thanks. What car length distance did you have it set to?
Thanks! It was set to 4
@@TeslaDriverthanks. Do you think setting it further would encourage the overtake feature to initiate a little earlier as you would have liked it to? I dunno, just a thought.
I think it seems to be cancelling the instructions whenever you override it. For example, if you indicate to go back in to a lane as it was too late picking it up, it is almost as if it is then turning off that part until you next follow what it suggests. I suppose this will always be the problem with AI that tries to think for us. I guess if that can be confirmed at least we know and can address it
When you say 'that' turns it back on to Navigate On AP what is 'that'?
It’s called ‘The Navigate on Autopilot Icon’ in the owners manual. I have mine set to do NoA as soon as it’s available so I rarely touch it, but it’s there 👍🏽
Its gone backwards due to UK putting restrictions on autonomous driving functions. Until they re-evaluate their rules Tesla cannot re enable this feature.
So you are finally starting to blame the UK and not EU ?
Nice !
Yeh I wish they played nice with the regulators like ford seem to be doing, hands free & able to go one and off ramp is what the Tesla should be able to do
How? It's got way better from years ago.
Is FSD transferable to new owner when selling your Tesla?
How does it perform on a/p in rain?
Nice video…Happy New Year to you and family 🙂👍
How does it work when it rains? I mean it rarely rains in England but would be good to see that too.
Check this video out I did last week:! - Tesla Full Self Driving Capability vs Flooded Roads
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Apart from "asking" to change lanes ,how is this better than Toyota's adaptive cruise control, lane departure control, and anti collision ? So long as my hands are on the wheel, it almost drives itself 🤔 .
Haven’t driven a Toyota so no idea, however saying almost drives itself doesn’t give me much hope, on the motorway I find Autopilot very reliable
@TeslaDriver I do have to have more "awareness " , mirror, signal, manoeuvre, but in your video, the car did make some poor choices which you had to override . Do you have to pay extra for FSD ? Now that I'm retired, I may look at going full EV.
Will you try covering the cabin camera whilst using AP and show what happens? I dont think its right that the cabin camera is required as neither the driver or occupants have consented to being recorded regardless if it leaves the car or not, its still stored in the black box. Does it still function?
Do you have your hands on the steering wheel?
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This is just Enhanced Autopilot. It is NOT FSD at all.
This is the £6800 full self driving option my friend
@@TeslaDriver Currently the difference is tiny. Still waiting for the regulation update.
How do you not have to keep touching the wheel every 1 minute ? Mine keeps saying I have to touch the steering wheel
I am touching the wheel with my right hand at about 5oclock with slight resistance
Keep expecting me to overtake you, did the exact same journey Saturday 23/12
Is this Autopilot or FSD?
This is the FSD Capability upgrade but on motorways it’s called Navigate on Autopilot which is different to both… they’ve made it nice and confusing 😂
First time I have seen autopilot used on U.K. motorways. Think I’d need strong verve to Tay my hands off the wheel on the motorway
I would hate to rely on self driving. I prefer to rely on my own driving skills. I would be on edge all the time.
I'm not sure you understand what I am saying, I paid for full fsd knowing full well that it would be a very long wait for it to self drive my car. I still think that it will definitely happen and am happy to wait for that day when it does
Was this a comment to a previous comment? If so can you reply there so we can keep conversations going as this has totally thrown me 😂👍🏽 But in short I totally agree with this, however I was told when I bought the car it would do WAY more by the end of 2019… it’s only done less since then 😬
@@TeslaDriver hi sorry this was a reply to someone else's comment seems to have gone to the wrong place
Welcome back
Navigate on Autopilot is “so” good!!
in my country Navigate on Autopilot cost 6k. no way am i paying that much for AP thats barely any different from the standard free AP. what a rip off.
Any way you can change the country to another one with greater functionality like the US?
i dont really trust the car to have full control. For now i will just use autopilot and cruise control without steer assist
FSD hasn't been released in the uk yet. They still ask for your money though for this vapourware.
Fsd beta hasn’t, not technically vapor ware as this is what they call FSD capability and adds only about 3 features sadly
FSD is the biggest waste of money I have made in years. I have a new Model 3 in Portugal and FSD is a joke, I don't understand how they're even allowed to market and sell it as such. It cannot even do the basics of "radar" cruise control properly without frequent phantom braking and acceleration - hardly a surprise given they decided to remove the radar. If you're considering buying a Tesla, don't waste your 7500€ on something that doesn't work and IMO has no prospect of ever working in the lifetime of the car.
i loved driving in the uk last time i was there, alot of it is mostly like AUstralian roads
I do like driving UK roads ngl, never been to Australia but I imagine being linked so closely to the Uk that's why they'd be similar?
@@TeslaDriver yep the only difference is we drive in kM instead of miles but we also drive on the left roads and signs etc are designed very similar.
@@pkerry12come to bangladesh and drive! 😁
personally, I feel this stays in the centre lane way too much.
I own an EV Volvo C40 but bloody hell its so noisey in your car, it would personally drive me crazy 😂
With music on I’ve never found it an issue tbh
The car hangs around too long in the slower vehicle's blind spot. It lacks that logic to speed up a few mph to get past a vehicle before returning to 70mph.
Well our genius legislators said going 71mph is lethal, so it has to stick to 70 to overtake a car doing 69.5
I wouldn't feel safe entrusting my life to technology like this. I just wouldn't be able to keep my hands off the steering wheel.
When I can pay no attention at all I might be interested
where did you go
From Worcester to Ledbury turning, M5 and M50
Remaining in the middle lane for so long could result in a fine so still room for improvement. I do like some of the ‘optional’ features on Tesla’s, some very clever software and certainly a leader. Having a Kia Niro, it has some good features but nothing this clever, I just don’t like the look of Teslas so went for the Niro (which I’m very happy with).
No fines ever for that
I hope you know the meaning of FSD.. if not let me just make this clear.. this is NOT FSD.. your hand is on your wheel it has an auto lane change and auto forward (like any other 2024 car) so yeah this is still obsolete. Full self drive means you do 0 effort to drive lol
am still waiting for toy hotwheels car on road, video..😞
Seems a bit pointless for £6k
Isn't using a touchscreen illigal?
No, it’s a very strange area of the law that was implemented in 2003 for telephone/communication devices. You can, for example, use your touch screen phone if it’s securely mounted. Here’s an overview:
Using devices hands-free
You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example:
a Bluetooth headset
voice command
a dashboard holder or mat
a windscreen mount
a built-in sat nav
The device must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead.
Anyone with a competent driver's education course knows that - whilst driving - the human brain makes dozens of calculations while driving, adjusting for speed, incline, weather, road curvature, traffic, other vehicle size, type, condition, other driver conditions (children in the back seat, for example), lanes of travel, destination, etc., and although a computer and cameras can make many of them (and some of them superior -- traffic conditions beyond one's vision, for example), no computer or camera can be as efficient as the human brain in making the myriad of calculations necessary for safe driving. Many computer innovations -- lane departure warning, lane-change warning, forward collision avoidance -- are essential to improving vehicle safety. A completely self-driving vehicle on existing roadways is a pipe dream.
You should have a good look at what V12.1 can do in the states, and to think that’s only with 5/6 years of progress. I think the pipe dream will be a reality by the end of this decade, not perfect by any means but way, way safer than a human with distractions, imperfections and emotions that are incredibly dangerous when behind the wheel.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to have autopilot at all when none of the cars are communicating with each other. On top of that, driving a car is much more dynamic than a plane at their cruising altitude.
Are you allowed yet to just play chess on your phone while it drives on the motorway and other roads for you?
No, hands on eyes up and all times
The majority of this journey you spent hogging the middle lane
Your car will be long dead before fsd is fit for purpose in the UK - decade away or more . Will be sooner in other regions - hopefully, as it's easier there with straight wide roads etc .have. A Drive round parts of Scotland , Wales , or tiny country villages .
Impressive lane-keeping. Let's not confuse that with self-driving.
Its defo somewhere in the middle of the 2, probably closer to lane keeping with some extra awareness
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in right hand drive countries FSD pretty much sucks lol. it drives like an american because it doesnt' know any better.
Yeh it really doesn’t feel like they’ve put much effort into the UK version sadly
@@TeslaDriver its not just the UK though its crap in all countries that use the left hand side of the road to drive. Its only been build to drive on the wrong side with American road rules
Why your video title is "Full Self driving" whikebthere is no FSD in UK? In UI and Europe you have Autopilot and Eap (like in your video) and it is not FSD...
Clickbait much?
This is called Full self driving capability in the uk… you can get Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot then FSD Capability. Easy to misunderstand but now you know 👍🏽
@@TeslaDriver I know the difference. There is no FSD capability in UK. It is not enabled by Tesla.
You have only AP and NOA (when you have EAP). In your case you are showing NOA
AP (Autopilot) displays car inside the two blue lines, NOA (navigate on auto pilot) gives you lane changes and displays car on single blue line.
FSD in Uk is sold by Tesla but is not enabled. Therefore your video titles are misleading
@@yessuz You must be fun at parties! 'Eyy you shouldn't have more than 2 units of alcohol per day as per WHO guidelines. OMG you drank 2.1 units tonight - you need to go to rehab!!'
@@avidutubeuser007 it is not about being fun or not - it is about misleading info
@@yessuz Technically you now get traffic light stop start on FSD over EAP but I guess they needed to offer something extra for the £3400. Personally I'll stop and save the £££
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its a joke
So its just cruise control 🤨