A few answers to common questions regarding this chapter: (Obviously spoilers!) - How did the victims die? -- It's revealed during the trial that the first victim died by strangulation, the second by exsanguination. The first victim was set up to appear as a suicide by hanging, the second victim walked in on the body being arranged and the murderer was forced to cut his/her throat. - Why would the first victim allow him/herself to be strangled without defending him/herself? And why this particular victim when the killer and the victim had a friendly relationship? -- Because (s)he was affected by Despair Disease, which manifested (in the victim's case) as total gullibility. The victim literally believed anything (s)he was told, not even resisting when (s)he was being strangled. It was simply a target so easy it couldn't be ignored. - Why would the blackened commit murder? It didn't seem like him/her to kill people. -- The murderer, too, turned out to be infected with Despair Disease, in his/her case making her remember everything about the group's past lives. And with that, his/her complete adulation for a certain mastermind of days past. - How is the murderer identified? -- Firstly, suspicion is raised by the murderer incorrectly identifying the first victim's injuries as being a result of hanging, when it's clear the victim was strangled. The murderer is someone who absolutely should have correctly identified the injuries. Secondly, the murderer misspeaks when (s)he tries to disprove his/her presence in the hanging video, claiming the angle was bad when (s)he couldn't have known the angle at all, not having seen the video. - Why is the murderer shot into space? Seems odd? -- The blackened is not shot into space, the punishment is an allegory. The oversize syringe and the orgasmic expression (look up 'the little death' if you don't get it) when the substance hits makes it clear the victim is actually executed by lethal injection.
It's been a while since I played, so my memory's a little vague, but... 1. Mikan presumably got down from the ladder and turned the camera off manually, trusting in the fact that Hajime would run to the music venue and thus wouldn't see her do it. 2. I believe they were together at the time, along with Fuyuhiko, but I can't be sure. Sonia definitely does get suspected at one point because she was the last one (apart from Mikan of course) to have seen Hiyoko alive. 3. So it would be impossible to determine which camera sent its feed to which display since that would make everyone realize the recording wasn't made in the music venue. 4. It's been too long, sorry. 5. No, because only Hajime had actually seen the recording. He'd told the others about the hospital gown, the bad lighting and the poor quality, but he had never mentioned which angle it had been filmed in. And yet, Mikan's denial that it was her in the video makes it clear that she knew what angle it was filmed in (she literally said "from THAT angle?"). The only one who could know this were the person who'd seen the video, and the person who'd made the video.
If anyone ever noticed that Hiyoko’s bow was in the front instead of where it normally was, It’s because Mikan was intentionally trying to insult hiyoko. In Japanese culture an obi’s bow tied in the front means the woman is a whore. Just a little tidbit
Hey, that's nice to know, thanks for the info! I knew the bow on the back signified dignity/nobility, but I didn't know that tying it to the front was meant as an insult for prostitute.
It kinda makes sense if you look past the obvious - the arm, the needle, Mikan's face when it's injected, the rocket lauching up to heaven, they're all clear indicators that in reality, the execution is death by lethal injection.
It amazes me how well calculated this was. Her whole plan basically hung on by a thread the entire time. Hajime's reaction to the video sending him to the music venue, running to get everyone after discovering Ibuki giving her time to expose Hiyoko's body, destroy evidence, create a locked room murder with the glue and put the drumstick there seemed both very well planned out and at the same time left up to chance. Had Hajime done anything even slightly different, the whole thing could have failed and she could have been exposed quickly. That's just my opinion though. I could be way off on that.
EmpressMystique it’s established earlier on that she’s extremely perceptive and can read people easily, meaning that it would be simple for her to predict the reactions of the students, including Hajime
If Hajime had stayed watching the video a little bit longer he wouldve realized that it was fake and it was Mikan, not Ibuki, he then wouldve seen Mikan. Once both bodies were discovered Hajime wouldve known it was Mikan because she was wearing the exact same thing Ibuki was wearing during her death scene
im a human but wasn’t the video on the monster pre-recorded? i’m pretty sure it was, so even if he had stayed watching the video nothing would’ve happened
@@itsallforpele One thing people forget was that candle blew out right before Mikan Climbed the stepladder so if Hajime kept watching he wouldn't see anything.
@@TheTreni For the canon Danganronpa. Naegi - His luck would make him unkillable. Togami - Too careful. Has Genocide Jack. Kirigiri - Too careful. SDR2 Hajime - Unknown Ultimate. It's possible to have dangerous talent. Nagito - Same as Naegi Chiaki - I wonder
I really wish Mikan's execution was something else (don't get me wrong I don't mind her execution it's better than Mondo's one imo.) I wish her execution was something based on her free time events! Example: Mikan explains that she got bullied in school and by her mom's boyfriends, she explains that they would draw on her, make her imitate animals, throw cigarettes at her and use her as a target when playing darts! She should have been tied to a dart board and have syringes (or whatever Monokuma used in her execution to inject her) thrown at her and have the dart board spun around until she dies by being injected by poison or another lethal drug. (Also know Mikan dislikes large things all the things in her execution are large (Bed,Syringe,Hand Rocket and Space)
Well technically she doesn't get launched into space. As mentioned before if you look up the little death it explains that ppl who get leathly injected feel a orgasmic feeling before they die. The large arm, her being in bed, the name of her execution, and the rocket launching her to the heavens, is symbolic of her execution in reality being a leathel injection.
Makoto: Give the bully gifts until they like you Chihiro : Pretend to be the opposite gender Miu : Acts like being ensured Mikan : *k i l l t h e b u l l y*
It's not just a theory. It's clearly alluded to by the execution itself. Not only is the large injection needle a clear indicator, but Mikan's orgasm-like expression when the dose hits is a reference to the fact that an orgasm is often called the "little death".
What if her execution is this: Title: ^still the same^ (bye bye ouchies) Details: Mikan is trapped in an asylum where she goes crazy. The asylum then expands into a hallway where she can escape (because the door contained: to see your dead beloved) So, she wiggled across the room because she cannot run by the outfit she was in. However, large needles where poking her in the way, each poke made her smile in despair, until to the point where she reached the door. Then a giant needle finishes her, and her face ended up happy in a despairful way.
It's weird, something about her being the murderer just seemed so out of place for me, but I suppose it wasn't really her that's the killer, but actually the "Despair" version. Still I find it odd that her memory stayed even though the disease was supposed too be gone which I feel is a weird plot hole
Just Ryan No, the despair disease gave her all her memories back, that's what drove her off the edge, if you get your memories back it does not make sense that they would disappear after you are cured
For me personally, I wish they made the motive for Mikan killing Hiyoko was because she snapped and was done with Hiyoko's verbal abuse. I don't really know how she would commit a double murder unless someone walked in on her killing Hiyoko
I liked the other idea for Mikan's execution (getting strapped to a surgical table and having surgery done on her without being sedated first) like, imagine if her execution was her being strapped to the table, then a curtain comes by and all you can see is her body silhouette. Then you see a thing come from the ceiling that's like the cartoonish robotic thing with a bunch of saws and drills and shit. Then you see the silhouette of the thing sawing and drilling Mikan with her flailing around and with blood splatter. Maybe it could even show Monokuma holding sedatives beforehand, shrugging his shoulders and throwing it away. Pretty much anything would have been better than this, I think
And you should learn that your opinion is not the best, I believe Hiyoko is very nice deep inside, her character development just got fucked up because of peko'
I feel this chapter was kind of poorly made because in the closing argument it doesn’t even show Hiyoko or Ibuki getting killed or what killed Hiyoko. I think this is mainly due to the fact that Fuyuhiko was intended to die instead of Hiyoko and Hiyoko was meant to survive but they were swapped out because the creators felt it made Peko’s sacrifice meaningless so Hiyoko was just thrown in. I think it would have been better if Fuyuhiko was killed in place of Hiyoko. Not because I just like Hiyoko but because it would have made the chapter feel less poorly made because of the change not needing to be considered and because Mikan would look much more evil for killing someone who was just sacrificed for.
I feel like Sonia should’ve died instead. If Hiyoko survived and saw the mess she bullied Mikan into, she could have a whole redemption arc where she tries to be nicer to people.
Im answering this 3 years late but I just finished the chapter and I agree. I was looking forward to Hiyoko’s character development, so seeing her getting killed so suddenly and ending with very little explanation of what happened is disappointing. Some elements (exact times and orders of Ibuki/Hiyoko’s deaths, weapon used to kill Hiyoko…) were overlooked.
@@ferranimimel338 I guess it’s the most plausible option, but I also thought it could have been something from the Music Venue (I was thinking of scissors cause didn’t Mikan used some to cut the wallpaper she used to hid Hiyoko’s body afterward ? Or maybe she took them from the Hospital too) because Mikan was planning to strangle Ibuki all along… so why would she been having a knife with her when she encountered Hiyoko ? This case is just so confusing anyway.
She was probably counting on Hajime immediately running for the music venue when he saw where the video was going so she could turn it off after he left. But yes, good point, it would have been awkward if Hajime had stayed and he'd watched her climb back down the step latter and grab the camera.
@@flocky1 She might have had the candle burn out right as she reached for the rope. If the candle was just short enough to live just long enough for the video then she wouldn't have to put it out herself.
The candle went out,which occulted Mikan's return to the ground,probably. I just wonder, how she did blow out the candle or if it was really just a coincidence.
M J Gummy lover and baby gangster should’ve lived over Sonia it would’ve caused more despair to everyone especially since she was one of the most kindest students in the game not to mention it would bring development for every single survivor giving them a reason to live because soda was one of the only people who didn’t lose someone and overcame it
Could somebody explain to me why the closing argument didn’t include how the victims died? I understand that the important part is always how the killer tried to cover up their crime and that it was said during the trial itself but still, why?
Spoilers Had to rewrite cause I deleted the comment heck So I thought you were talking about the entire game lol. So anyways, I can speculate but Hiyoko's was likely unseen due to her not being intended to die here and her death being put here last minute, with Fuyohiko originally dying here. Ibuki, I just genuinely think they didn't put it in because the writers forgot to put that in. They do it for the other chapters I believe, so it just makes sense they just did an oopsy.
mikan is my first favorete characters in danganrompa 2 goodbye dispair her voice is cute and shy temitade and apolegetic and how will heal injured people?
How did they find out it was Mikan they literally assumed the killer was with them. And they litteraly had no way of telling it was Mikan unless Hajime saw her doing something. They assumed and they’re correct😂 love Mikan tho
Read my pinned post. Mikan first makes herself look suspicious by misdiagnosing Ibuki's injuries, something she, as the ultimate nurse, would never do unless it was on purpose to mislead the others.
Komaeda was the first to discover it because he noticed that Monokuma was hiding the time of death. That meant that the time was the most important evidence and if they discovered it, they would also find the murderer because Mikan is the only one who has the necessary medical knowledge to know how to alter the time of a deceased body (since she used heat to alter the time of the crime).
Hiyoko was my number one favourite in this game....but I forgive Mikan...since I can understand her and her motives...And also she is my third and last favourite character in Danganronpa 2 Goodbye Despair.
This chapter had SO MANY plot holes which is why I dislike it so much. (also bc my queen died 😔) First of all Hajime said that when he was getting people to see The crime scene it only took him about 5 minutes or so. In this time span Mikan would have to run to the music venue (and have to know that Hajime was gone already) un wrap the paper, get the drum stick, Glue the doors shut AND have to run back to the hospital or wherever without ANYBODY noticing her. Not to mention she would have to guess when Hajime has left the hospital, music venue, and then come back. That’s hard for even Akane to pull off, the ultimate gymnast. Second, Her whole plan is on string about how the classmates would have acted, specially Hajime. If Hajime would have watched the full video or just watched a second more her whole plan would have been ruined. Same if Hajime had stayed a little bit longer at the music venue. And what if he it didn’t take him 5 minutes but maybe about 2 or 3? She would have been caught red handed. Third of all, she has to get Ibuki to come with her without disturbing the others. She would then have to get her to come to the music venue and choke her without anybody disturbing her. Of course that didn’t happen when Hiyoko came. If Hiyoko would have ran and scream for help Mikan would also be caught. But everyone knows that Hiyoko’s first instinct would probably be to ask a question or try to “fight” her. She’s lucky that was Hiyoko, cause anyone else (besides Baby gangster and Maybe Nagito) would have ran or called for help. Probably both. Fourth, the way she acted in the trial. She was basically acting like Celeste in her trail. Expect that she was saying that she could never do that. While Celeste asked random questions. Either way they both acted very sus in the trails. But they basically both met their demise in the same way. They both dug themselves deeper into the whole until they broke. Plus Mikan’s lie that “she didn’t know the difference between and hanging mark between a choking mark” is complete BS. And the last thing is her execution! The WORST execution out there! I get that the executions in Danganronpa 2 were supposed to be what the blackened hated the most, besides Nanami’s. (Teruteru was fried food, Peko was hurting her master, Mikan’s was big things, and Tanaka’s was going to heaven) but they could have done so much better. Like Mikan is strapped to a surgery board and Monokuma dose surgery on her while everything is way to big. That’s wayyyy better then Mikan being on an oversized arm while Monokuma is injecting a liquid in it and Mikan is getting wet by this. To be fate going into outer space that’s way to big. Like what kinda of execution is that?
Meguca Forever Omg I completely forgot about that! Like what did she use? A knife and if she did where? Hiyoko’s murder wasn’t planned like Ibuki’s so I honestly don’t know what Hiyoko’s murderer weapon was.
I actually am always just so mad whenever I get reminded that Hiyoko dies, I absolutely hate it, she was character development waiting to happen. As someone who LOVES Sonia, I would even replace Hiyoko with her, Akane or Kazuichi (Preferably Kaz). I know many people who wanted Hiyoko to live, even the ones who dislike her.
She possibly was executed in a humane way to happens something similar to Junko. Junko's execution was organized in a way that the stone falling later than she expected made she die in another feeling that wasn't despair, which is the same that happens with Mikan. Mikan was infected by despair disease, which in her case made she remember from the times she was a Despair Soldier and consequently, if she died in despair, it would be exactly what she wanted, so the syringe being humane and quick makes sense, because it's denying her of despair
I'm also bothered by that. They appeared as already murdered. But,that was probably made to Hajime's Point of View,who didn't witness neither Hiyoko nor Ibuki's deaths.
Yeah, it made no sense that Mikan took all that time to get rid of the extra wallpaper on the pillar to reveal Hiyoko's body, wouldn't it be more beneficial to keep her body hidden? Plus more bodies leads to more clues
@Tenko Chabashira that's true I thought about that after I wrote this that they only needed one But on the subject or case 3 I wish they actually used the rule of V3 will only the first murder would be the blackend cause I always imagined a case where two murders happen seemingly at the same time but cause if that V3 case 3 rule they have to figure out which came first and who did it so even when they execute the blackend there will still be a killer on the loose Just my idea though feel free to criticize it if you think it's dumb
What I dont like about this chapter is was how small explanation on how she killed them in the closing argument, every chapter three closing arguments gets every explanation how the victim dies, but not this one, this one only explained how she fabricate the whole situation and found the bodies, which is pretty dissapointing plus the execution makes this chapter a nono to me
In my honest opinion it is well thought out for Mikan. But it's strange that Mikan did it, I get and understand why. I just thought it was always strange. Also this murder is similar to Danganronpa 1's third murder case. Both had two murders and both had female killers. I'm indifferent to Mikan so seeing as the killer wasn't as heartbreaking for me, instead I could care less about her being killer. Through the execution was hard to understand but if you ask me it's perfect for Mikan after she shows her true colors and talking about her beloved before being given her execution.
I never asked why did she did it, but I said it was strange that of people that Mikan did it. Who thorughout the prologue and up to chapter 3 she was always very shy, timid, and constantly apologetic. For her to be the murderer was shocking. That was my point I was making.
Lunar Mage mikan had to do the murder because everyone was a remnant of despair right?as we see from chapter 2 mikan, mahiru, ibuki and hiyoko were highschool friends. and also every single remnant of despair killed their families, their friends and even they cut off their own limbs. and had a positive feeling from that. and only mikan had the remembering disease
Well, all the games have one thing in common, chapter 1 executions always start with dragging the blackened by a chain, chapter 4 always kills the friendly giants (Sakura, Nekomaru, and Gonta), chapter 3 always has 2 people dead. There’s always a pattern
can anyone explain the whole deal with mikan and why she killed them? i won’t be able to play the games cuz i have strict parents, so someone give me a breakdown please!
Well to put it shortly, chapter 3's motive was despair disease, ibuki had the gullible disease I forgot akanes but it was something about vulnerability, and nagito had the liars disease, mikan ended up catching said disease and she had remembering disease Junko (her beloved) was the reason she killed ibuki and hiyoko, she did it for her beloved however she was manipulated and brainwashed by Junko so, I'm not sure if the whole story is entirely correct as I'm going off of memory so
Mikan first strangled Ibuki and then hung her body from the noose. While she was doing that, Hiyoko walked in and Mikan slashed her throat. And no, Hiyoko is very much dead - at least as far as the uh, ramifications of Danganronpa 2's setting are concerned.
It's kinda stupid because in every case 3 in the Danganronpa games (not another episode), 2 are murdered by 1 person. SPOILERS AHEAD, the people who did that was Celeste Ludenberg (Taeko Yasuhiro) from Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc, Mikan Tsumuki from Super Danganronpa 2, Good-bye DESPAIR, and Korekiyo Shinguji from Danganronpa V3, Killing Harmony.
And the Ironic thing is for V3 the roles are switched As you see in DR1, The two murders were males, and the Blackened was a Female In V3 the two murders were Female and the blackened was a male But in SDR2’s case A female murdered two other females
Technically you are wrong about DR1. Hifumi murdered Taka, and then Celeste (Taeko) murdered Hifumi. She was the mastermind behind it, but she only killed Hifumi technically. Meanwhile the case 3 murders of the other games were done by only one person, and no accomplice.
That's because the method of the killings are revealed during the game itself. Ibuki was one of the four suffering from Despair Disease, in her case it manifested as total gullibility. This allowed Mikan to strangle her without any resistance. Hiyoko walked in on the murder and Mikan slashed her throat. The fact that Ibuki was strangled and not hanged, incidentally, is what reveals Mikan as the murderer: she claimed Ibuki had died by hanging, but a trained nurse would have easily seen the difference between hanging and strangulation marks.
Mikan found a obsession with junko so then killed Ibuki when Ibuki had the despair disease and hiyoko walked in when Mikan was killling Ibuki so Mikan slit hiyokos throat which killed both of them
I'm very disappointed, this has to be one of the worst trials in danganronpa, there were so many holes and flukes, it only shows the plan, not even how the victims were murdered (specifically hiyoko, I'm just assuming it had been a scalpel.) mikans breakdown was disappointing too, infact you could almost predict it, the execution was sexualized and while of course mikan felt despair (from what I've heard apparently she has a fear of gigantic objects?) The execution was short sexualized and bad, definitely my least favorite case ever.
Ahem..technalikinakily however you spell it mahirus death was meaningless cause hiyoko died and i think she should of survived and it could be ahem...(miss sonia neverfuck) what??!?!?! Yall hear sum.?
A few answers to common questions regarding this chapter:
(Obviously spoilers!)
- How did the victims die?
-- It's revealed during the trial that the first victim died by strangulation, the second by exsanguination. The first victim was set up to appear as a suicide by hanging, the second victim walked in on the body being arranged and the murderer was forced to cut his/her throat.
- Why would the first victim allow him/herself to be strangled without defending him/herself? And why this particular victim when the killer and the victim had a friendly relationship?
-- Because (s)he was affected by Despair Disease, which manifested (in the victim's case) as total gullibility. The victim literally believed anything (s)he was told, not even resisting when (s)he was being strangled. It was simply a target so easy it couldn't be ignored.
- Why would the blackened commit murder? It didn't seem like him/her to kill people.
-- The murderer, too, turned out to be infected with Despair Disease, in his/her case making her remember everything about the group's past lives. And with that, his/her complete adulation for a certain mastermind of days past.
- How is the murderer identified?
-- Firstly, suspicion is raised by the murderer incorrectly identifying the first victim's injuries as being a result of hanging, when it's clear the victim was strangled. The murderer is someone who absolutely should have correctly identified the injuries. Secondly, the murderer misspeaks when (s)he tries to disprove his/her presence in the hanging video, claiming the angle was bad when (s)he couldn't have known the angle at all, not having seen the video.
- Why is the murderer shot into space? Seems odd?
-- The blackened is not shot into space, the punishment is an allegory. The oversize syringe and the orgasmic expression (look up 'the little death' if you don't get it) when the substance hits makes it clear the victim is actually executed by lethal injection.
It's been a while since I played, so my memory's a little vague, but...
1. Mikan presumably got down from the ladder and turned the camera off manually, trusting in the fact that Hajime would run to the music venue and thus wouldn't see her do it.
2. I believe they were together at the time, along with Fuyuhiko, but I can't be sure. Sonia definitely does get suspected at one point because she was the last one (apart from Mikan of course) to have seen Hiyoko alive.
3. So it would be impossible to determine which camera sent its feed to which display since that would make everyone realize the recording wasn't made in the music venue.
4. It's been too long, sorry.
5. No, because only Hajime had actually seen the recording. He'd told the others about the hospital gown, the bad lighting and the poor quality, but he had never mentioned which angle it had been filmed in. And yet, Mikan's denial that it was her in the video makes it clear that she knew what angle it was filmed in (she literally said "from THAT angle?"). The only one who could know this were the person who'd seen the video, and the person who'd made the video.
Still a pretty shitty execution though
ik im late but this answers all my questions, thank u c::
@Der_Namenlose Mikan's execution makes no sense at all. It just doesn't.
Why do you put (s)he if you already know the characters gender
You can't get bullied if you kill the bully
Classic case of bully the bully
but why ibuki :(
@@zineabidin1689 pretty sure it was Hiyoko
@@zineabidin1689 She's an easy target since she's infected by the despair disease
I thought Mikan was manipulated by Junko so that's why Mikan killed Ibuki- (And I think she killed Hiyoko too since Hiyoko saw Mikan kill Ibuki)
If anyone ever noticed that Hiyoko’s bow was in the front instead of where it normally was, It’s because Mikan was intentionally trying to insult hiyoko. In Japanese culture an obi’s bow tied in the front means the woman is a whore. Just a little tidbit
Hey, that's nice to know, thanks for the info! I knew the bow on the back signified dignity/nobility, but I didn't know that tying it to the front was meant as an insult for prostitute.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAYUM! She not only killed her bully but bullied the bully at the same time..yikes
HAHAHA LMAOO
WHOA CALM DOWN JAMAL
Mikan just mad she got them ugly ass bangs 🤢 I wish her execution was more painful, Clumsy bitch
The fact that I lost all three of my favorite characters in one chapter---
Ikr
Yeah it’s painful-
I mean hiyoko is kinda just meh to me but im very sad that mikan and ibuki died, they were my favorites
ik first it was spoiler :
Mahiru, my fave and then its my other faves :(
same for me except mikan, i was fine with the fact that she died, i dont like her. Also her execution sucked
I really liked Mikan but I actually wish she had a better execution because it made no sense
It kinda makes sense if you look past the obvious - the arm, the needle, Mikan's face when it's injected, the rocket lauching up to heaven, they're all clear indicators that in reality, the execution is death by lethal injection.
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I still wish it could be a bit more , real? It was way fucking goofy for a dark game.
But that's what Danganronpa is all about: the balance between dark and goofy.
She died high
It was all an hallucination because of the drug.
It amazes me how well calculated this was. Her whole plan basically hung on by a thread the entire time. Hajime's reaction to the video sending him to the music venue, running to get everyone after discovering Ibuki giving her time to expose Hiyoko's body, destroy evidence, create a locked room murder with the glue and put the drumstick there seemed both very well planned out and at the same time left up to chance. Had Hajime done anything even slightly different, the whole thing could have failed and she could have been exposed quickly. That's just my opinion though. I could be way off on that.
EmpressMystique it’s established earlier on that she’s extremely perceptive and can read people easily, meaning that it would be simple for her to predict the reactions of the students, including Hajime
If Hajime had stayed watching the video a little bit longer he wouldve realized that it was fake and it was Mikan, not Ibuki, he then wouldve seen Mikan. Once both bodies were discovered Hajime wouldve known it was Mikan because she was wearing the exact same thing Ibuki was wearing during her death scene
im a human but wasn’t the video on the monster pre-recorded? i’m pretty sure it was, so even if he had stayed watching the video nothing would’ve happened
@@itsallforpele One thing people forget was that candle blew out right before Mikan Climbed the stepladder so if Hajime kept watching he wouldn't see anything.
As much as I hate Mikan with all my heart.
Well played, Mikan..
In dangangronpa I don't get why they just can't kill the smartest characters so they can get away with it
Try Danganronpa Another 2, someone smart is killed off.
@@Most1562 When i was reading Slygox comentary i was thinking in Kokoro
Why they don't simply kill the person who resolve all the cases
@@TheTreni For the canon Danganronpa.
Naegi - His luck would make him unkillable.
Togami - Too careful. Has Genocide Jack.
Kirigiri - Too careful.
SDR2
Hajime - Unknown Ultimate. It's possible to have dangerous talent.
Nagito - Same as Naegi
Chiaki - I wonder
@@Most1562 Know i know why Kaede was killed first lol (ultimate pianist) but they can kill Suichi
I really wish Mikan's execution was something else (don't get me wrong I don't mind her execution it's better than Mondo's one imo.) I wish her execution was something based on her free time events! Example: Mikan explains that she got bullied in school and by her mom's boyfriends, she explains that they would draw on her, make her imitate animals, throw cigarettes at her and use her as a target when playing darts! She should have been tied to a dart board and have syringes (or whatever Monokuma used in her execution to inject her) thrown at her and have the dart board spun around until she dies by being injected by poison or another lethal drug. (Also know Mikan dislikes large things all the things in her execution are large (Bed,Syringe,Hand Rocket and Space)
Well technically she doesn't get launched into space. As mentioned before if you look up the little death it explains that ppl who get leathly injected feel a orgasmic feeling before they die. The large arm, her being in bed, the name of her execution, and the rocket launching her to the heavens, is symbolic of her execution in reality being a leathel injection.
In reality Mikan actually had the most humane execution out of all of them and the least painful.
Darien H. Damn. That’s really cool.
@@Darien2016 Teruteru did to though when he landed in lava he immediately died
Um no he isnt he was a little alive but when the flour and mondo butter? Harden he lost air and cant breath thats how he died
Makoto: Give the bully gifts until they like you
Chihiro : Pretend to be the opposite gender
Miu : Acts like being ensured
Mikan : *k i l l t h e b u l l y*
Everyone is talking about the execution and Hiyoko, but I want to talk about how Ibuki didn't deserve that AT ALL
For real!
Hiyoko didnt deserve it at all either tho?? 😭
@@ilovecatstheyrecooligshe did
@ilovecatstheyrecoolig yeah she deserved it
That execution was LAAAAAME
Actually, there was a theory it was lethal injection, and this is all hallucinations
It's not just a theory. It's clearly alluded to by the execution itself. Not only is the large injection needle a clear indicator, but Mikan's orgasm-like expression when the dose hits is a reference to the fact that an orgasm is often called the "little death".
Ikr
What if her execution is this:
Title: ^still the same^ (bye bye ouchies)
Details: Mikan is trapped in an asylum where she goes crazy. The asylum then expands into a hallway where she can escape (because the door contained: to see your dead beloved) So, she wiggled across the room because she cannot run by the outfit she was in. However, large needles where poking her in the way, each poke made her smile in despair, until to the point where she reached the door. Then a giant needle finishes her, and her face ended up happy in a despairful way.
It was weird and random
4:47 But why is her hair brown? It just makes her look like Akane
ikr
Maybe she dyed her hair or something? idk
maybe that was the real color of her hair?
mikans hair has always been brown
it just looks purple
*mikane*
It's weird, something about her being the murderer just seemed so out of place for me, but I suppose it wasn't really her that's the killer, but actually the "Despair" version. Still I find it odd that her memory stayed even though the disease was supposed too be gone which I feel is a weird plot hole
Just Ryan No, the despair disease gave her all her memories back, that's what drove her off the edge, if you get your memories back it does not make sense that they would disappear after you are cured
After Mikan got the disease she eccentialy became a Ultimate Despair again
It was weird, of corse, because she was just too innocent and whiny, but she was faking it, that bitch (I guess at least)
@@sedox3145 She wasn’t faking it, that was genuinely how she felt. She only changed once she remembered her brainwashing.
For me personally, I wish they made the motive for Mikan killing Hiyoko was because she snapped and was done with Hiyoko's verbal abuse. I don't really know how she would commit a double murder unless someone walked in on her killing Hiyoko
Finally playing through Danganronpa 2 on PS4, and this is the one chapter I'm not excited for because Ibuki is my favorite.
Ibuki is bae :(
elstormo Yes, she is.
Yea Ibuki Was The Best :(
Good Nom Nom Nomming! - Ibuki Mioda
weismax33 SAME ;-;
I liked the other idea for Mikan's execution (getting strapped to a surgical table and having surgery done on her without being sedated first) like, imagine if her execution was her being strapped to the table, then a curtain comes by and all you can see is her body silhouette. Then you see a thing come from the ceiling that's like the cartoonish robotic thing with a bunch of saws and drills and shit. Then you see the silhouette of the thing sawing and drilling Mikan with her flailing around and with blood splatter. Maybe it could even show Monokuma holding sedatives beforehand, shrugging his shoulders and throwing it away. Pretty much anything would have been better than this, I think
That's kinda dark, I like it.
NU NOT IBUKI!!!
Midori ivanamarie07 lincoln No! Poor Hiyoko!
Yeah, me too!
Both of my waifus got killed by Mikan... thank you ;-;
You have shit taste
And you should learn that your opinion is not the best, I believe Hiyoko is very nice deep inside, her character development just got fucked up because of peko'
Hey it's Doraemon by me right
Peko Pekoyama Rayt PEK PEK PEK PEK PEK PEK PEK PEK PEK PEK PEKKKK
Ibuki is just good, hiyoko just became a savage thanks to peko.
honestly mikan was pretty smart with this
I feel this chapter was kind of poorly made because in the closing argument it doesn’t even show Hiyoko or Ibuki getting killed or what killed Hiyoko. I think this is mainly due to the fact that Fuyuhiko was intended to die instead of Hiyoko and Hiyoko was meant to survive but they were swapped out because the creators felt it made Peko’s sacrifice meaningless so Hiyoko was just thrown in. I think it would have been better if Fuyuhiko was killed in place of Hiyoko. Not because I just like Hiyoko but because it would have made the chapter feel less poorly made because of the change not needing to be considered and because Mikan would look much more evil for killing someone who was just sacrificed for.
I feel like Sonia should’ve died instead. If Hiyoko survived and saw the mess she bullied Mikan into, she could have a whole redemption arc where she tries to be nicer to people.
Im answering this 3 years late but I just finished the chapter and I agree. I was looking forward to Hiyoko’s character development, so seeing her getting killed so suddenly and ending with very little explanation of what happened is disappointing. Some elements (exact times and orders of Ibuki/Hiyoko’s deaths, weapon used to kill Hiyoko…) were overlooked.
I always, ALWAYS think of what killed hiyoko.was it a knife?was it a blade? PLEASE TELL ME!
@@coppelian in Ur opinion,what was the weapone that murdered hiyoko?i Heard it was a very thin surgery knife that mikan had brought from the hospital.
@@ferranimimel338 I guess it’s the most plausible option, but I also thought it could have been something from the Music Venue (I was thinking of scissors cause didn’t Mikan used some to cut the wallpaper she used to hid Hiyoko’s body afterward ? Or maybe she took them from the Hospital too) because Mikan was planning to strangle Ibuki all along… so why would she been having a knife with her when she encountered Hiyoko ? This case is just so confusing anyway.
1:20 *Sanic theme*
but how did Mikan turn the camera off after posing as the victim?
She was probably counting on Hajime immediately running for the music venue when he saw where the video was going so she could turn it off after he left. But yes, good point, it would have been awkward if Hajime had stayed and he'd watched her climb back down the step latter and grab the camera.
The candle went out
How was she able to have the candle go out right after the video though?
@@flocky1 She might have had the candle burn out right as she reached for the rope. If the candle was just short enough to live just long enough for the video then she wouldn't have to put it out herself.
The candle went out,which occulted Mikan's return to the ground,probably.
I just wonder, how she did blow out the candle or if it was really just a coincidence.
BAEBUKI NO!!
👁👄👁
Fuyuhiko Was Actually Gonna Die With Ibuki And Hiyoko Would Have Survived,IMAGINE HOW THAT WILL END.
I'd cry my eyes out. I mean, Hiyoko is basically a spoiled brat.
@@cloudyisaliveandhere Hiyoko could have gotten a character redemption
Maybe Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko both could have lived
@@carat_light I changed my opinion now lol
But yeah, perhaps.
M J Gummy lover and baby gangster should’ve lived over Sonia it would’ve caused more despair to everyone especially since she was one of the most kindest students in the game not to mention it would bring development for every single survivor giving them a reason to live because soda was one of the only people who didn’t lose someone and overcame it
Could somebody explain to me why the closing argument didn’t include how the victims died? I understand that the important part is always how the killer tried to cover up their crime and that it was said during the trial itself but still, why?
Spoilers
Had to rewrite cause I deleted the comment heck
So I thought you were talking about the entire game lol. So anyways, I can speculate but Hiyoko's was likely unseen due to her not being intended to die here and her death being put here last minute, with Fuyohiko originally dying here. Ibuki, I just genuinely think they didn't put it in because the writers forgot to put that in. They do it for the other chapters I believe, so it just makes sense they just did an oopsy.
When your favorite character is ibuki and mikan : 😢
She is going to meet Kaito lol
Park Dolly no his body came back down
True C.I.A I know that bro I was Joking ya know
Even though my 3rd fav character of all time Ibuki died atleast she died in the Titty Typhoon :(
thoughts on execution: at least Mikan was able to get off one last time XD
Monokuma did that because she was sexual abused
Both of my waifus got killed by my other wife Mikan ;-;-;-;-;
mikan is my first favorete characters in danganrompa 2 goodbye dispair her voice is cute and shy temitade and apolegetic and how will heal injured people?
I found her an annoying wet blanket, to be honest.
elstormo Did you give it to her? XD
She was a super murderer though.
Vitor Henrique Farias i really feel bad for her
How did they find out it was Mikan they literally assumed the killer was with them. And they litteraly had no way of telling it was Mikan unless Hajime saw her doing something. They assumed and they’re correct😂 love Mikan tho
Read my pinned post. Mikan first makes herself look suspicious by misdiagnosing Ibuki's injuries, something she, as the ultimate nurse, would never do unless it was on purpose to mislead the others.
Maybe because she was panicked? Almost every culprit in Danganronpa will act sus and panic in the class trial
Komaeda was the first to discover it because he noticed that Monokuma was hiding the time of death. That meant that the time was the most important evidence and if they discovered it, they would also find the murderer because Mikan is the only one who has the necessary medical knowledge to know how to alter the time of a deceased body (since she used heat to alter the time of the crime).
Poor ibuki and hiyoko
It’s funny how in the execution music it’s like reach for the stars, and mikan actually reached for the stars
All she wanted was a mirror!!!😭
I love Mikan but the punishment was too funny i had to laugh
Hiyoko was my number one favourite in this game....but I forgive Mikan...since I can understand her and her motives...And also she is my third and last favourite character in Danganronpa 2 Goodbye Despair.
yah yeet yeah I agree. Mikan seemed to be the least well written out of all the killers imo.
@yah yeet opinion chief
@yah yeet each people have different feels so that why they like them. And yea
@@goldenflame4563 Thanks for understanding
@@aseaoffragments6548 np bro
I can't believe when Mikan killed the bully
This chapter had SO MANY plot holes which is why I dislike it so much. (also bc my queen died 😔) First of all Hajime said that when he was getting people to see The crime scene it only took him about 5 minutes or so. In this time span Mikan would have to run to the music venue (and have to know that Hajime was gone already) un wrap the paper, get the drum stick, Glue the doors shut AND have to run back to the hospital or wherever without ANYBODY noticing her. Not to mention she would have to guess when Hajime has left the hospital, music venue, and then come back. That’s hard for even Akane to pull off, the ultimate gymnast.
Second, Her whole plan is on string about how the classmates would have acted, specially Hajime. If Hajime would have watched the full video or just watched a second more her whole plan would have been ruined. Same if Hajime had stayed a little bit longer at the music venue. And what if he it didn’t take him 5 minutes but maybe about 2 or 3? She would have been caught red handed.
Third of all, she has to get Ibuki to come with her without disturbing the others. She would then have to get her to come to the music venue and choke her without anybody disturbing her. Of course that didn’t happen when Hiyoko came. If Hiyoko would have ran and scream for help Mikan would also be caught. But everyone knows that Hiyoko’s first instinct would probably be to ask a question or try to “fight” her. She’s lucky that was Hiyoko, cause anyone else (besides Baby gangster and Maybe Nagito) would have ran or called for help. Probably both.
Fourth, the way she acted in the trial. She was basically acting like Celeste in her trail. Expect that she was saying that she could never do that. While Celeste asked random questions. Either way they both acted very sus in the trails. But they basically both met their demise in the same way. They both dug themselves deeper into the whole until they broke. Plus Mikan’s lie that “she didn’t know the difference between and hanging mark between a choking mark” is complete BS.
And the last thing is her execution! The WORST execution out there! I get that the executions in Danganronpa 2 were supposed to be what the blackened hated the most, besides Nanami’s. (Teruteru was fried food, Peko was hurting her master, Mikan’s was big things, and Tanaka’s was going to heaven) but they could have done so much better. Like Mikan is strapped to a surgery board and Monokuma dose surgery on her while everything is way to big. That’s wayyyy better then Mikan being on an oversized arm while Monokuma is injecting a liquid in it and Mikan is getting wet by this. To be fate going into outer space that’s way to big. Like what kinda of execution is that?
I agree they didn't even explain the murder weapon for hiyiko this chapter was disappointing 😔💅
Meguca Forever Omg I completely forgot about that! Like what did she use? A knife and if she did where? Hiyoko’s murder wasn’t planned like Ibuki’s so I honestly don’t know what Hiyoko’s murderer weapon was.
Mono ily
I was actually really really confused on this trial lmao
To this day, people are still debating whether or not this case or the Chapter 3 case from its successor is the weakest in the trilogy
This chapter was painful, second most of the game
this murder is confusing as hell, i mean how did mikan blow out the candle after she recorded the video?
they killed ibuki WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL IBUKI AHHHHH
Legend says, you can still find Mikan in space..
I actually am always just so mad whenever I get reminded that Hiyoko dies, I absolutely hate it, she was character development waiting to happen. As someone who LOVES Sonia, I would even replace Hiyoko with her, Akane or Kazuichi (Preferably Kaz). I know many people who wanted Hiyoko to live, even the ones who dislike her.
So.....why watch the video if you know she dies......
Add Sayo-nara in ibuki's death
Why did Mikan had to kill Ibuki and Hiyoko? They both were my favourite characters in Danganronpa 2, and Hiyoko in whole Danganronpa series :d
She possibly was executed in a humane way to happens something similar to Junko. Junko's execution was organized in a way that the stone falling later than she expected made she die in another feeling that wasn't despair, which is the same that happens with Mikan. Mikan was infected by despair disease, which in her case made she remember from the times she was a Despair Soldier and consequently, if she died in despair, it would be exactly what she wanted, so the syringe being humane and quick makes sense, because it's denying her of despair
I wish she doesn’t die
😊
Am I the only one bothered by the murders themselves not actually being shown in the closing argument?
Ikr
I'm also bothered by that.
They appeared as already murdered.
But,that was probably made to Hajime's Point of View,who didn't witness neither Hiyoko nor Ibuki's deaths.
yo how can mikan do this so perfectly
Kinda curious how the trial would've worked out if mikan just hadn't filmed the video
Why bother tying up hiyoko if Hikan could just hide her body?
Yeah, it made no sense that Mikan took all that time to get rid of the extra wallpaper on the pillar to reveal Hiyoko's body, wouldn't it be more beneficial to keep her body hidden? Plus more bodies leads to more clues
They don't even explain hiyokos murder
@Tenko Chabashira that's true I thought about that after I wrote this that they only needed one
But on the subject or case 3 I wish they actually used the rule of V3 will only the first murder would be the blackend cause I always imagined a case where two murders happen seemingly at the same time but cause if that V3 case 3 rule they have to figure out which came first and who did it so even when they execute the blackend there will still be a killer on the loose
Just my idea though feel free to criticize it if you think it's dumb
The only closing argument to not feature murder
One thing I dislike is how it doesn't show us how either of them died, just her plan to set them up
I really wished that Mikan survived or didn't murder because of her past
When he was ejecting the stuff in the arm she looked hella sus
Only closing argument that dint show how they die
Probably the quickest closing argument. Barely covered anything, not even the actual killing
THAT EXECUTION WAS TRASH BRUH
Mikan have the phobia of oversized objects
What I dont like about this chapter is was how small explanation on how she killed them in the closing argument, every chapter three closing arguments gets every explanation how the victim dies, but not this one, this one only explained how she fabricate the whole situation and found the bodies, which is pretty dissapointing plus the execution makes this chapter a nono to me
Mikan would of needed super speed to do any of this
0:38 simping
In my honest opinion it is well thought out for Mikan. But it's strange that Mikan did it, I get and understand why. I just thought it was always strange. Also this murder is similar to Danganronpa 1's third murder case. Both had two murders and both had female killers. I'm indifferent to Mikan so seeing as the killer wasn't as heartbreaking for me, instead I could care less about her being killer. Through the execution was hard to understand but if you ask me it's perfect for Mikan after she shows her true colors and talking about her beloved before being given her execution.
I never asked why did she did it, but I said it was strange that of people that Mikan did it. Who thorughout the prologue and up to chapter 3 she was always very shy, timid, and constantly apologetic. For her to be the murderer was shocking. That was my point I was making.
Lunar Mage mikan had to do the murder because everyone was a remnant of despair right?as we see from chapter 2 mikan, mahiru, ibuki and hiyoko were highschool friends. and also every single remnant of despair killed their families, their friends and even they cut off their own limbs. and had a positive feeling from that. and only mikan had the remembering disease
The similarities were intentional
Did someone realize every game at chapter 3 that 2 will die?
Well, all the games have one thing in common, chapter 1 executions always start with dragging the blackened by a chain, chapter 4 always kills the friendly giants (Sakura, Nekomaru, and Gonta), chapter 3 always has 2 people dead. There’s always a pattern
@@theinkynightmare4140 this comment is 2 years im no longer in the community and i already know the answer
Which do you prefer
Killer or Culprit
The shortest closing argument in the franchise
They both got bodied
We all now why hiyoko but why Ibuki 😩🤚🏻WHYYY
Anyone else notice the rocket hand Milan was riding has a rope or a wire around the upper arm resembling a heroin addict's?
How did Mikan get from the music venue to the hospital with Fuyuhiko so fast?
My waifus were Ibuki and Mikan.
.......
can anyone explain the whole deal with mikan and why she killed them? i won’t be able to play the games cuz i have strict parents, so someone give me a breakdown please!
Well to put it shortly, chapter 3's motive was despair disease, ibuki had the gullible disease I forgot akanes but it was something about vulnerability, and nagito had the liars disease, mikan ended up catching said disease and she had remembering disease Junko (her beloved) was the reason she killed ibuki and hiyoko, she did it for her beloved however she was manipulated and brainwashed by Junko so, I'm not sure if the whole story is entirely correct as I'm going off of memory so
Her execution is so lame lol
At the start im wearing headphones in full volume
When the nurse girl start laughing
I'm sorry but mikan had to have super speed for what she did
0:58 chiaki's gaming girl nitendo thing?
was mikan trying to frame chiaki?
Nono, that was that was the monitor that was used to transmit the video
The Creators Were Drunk When They Were Making Mikan's Execution
Um how did mikan kill ibuki? Isn't hiyoko supposed to be alive?
Mikan first strangled Ibuki and then hung her body from the noose. While she was doing that, Hiyoko walked in and Mikan slashed her throat. And no, Hiyoko is very much dead - at least as far as the uh, ramifications of Danganronpa 2's setting are concerned.
Mikan? A murderer? Wasn’t expecting that
Did the creators got drunk while making this executions!?
They was high
It's kinda stupid because in every case 3 in the Danganronpa games (not another episode), 2 are murdered by 1 person. SPOILERS AHEAD, the people who did that was Celeste Ludenberg (Taeko Yasuhiro) from Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc, Mikan Tsumuki from Super Danganronpa 2, Good-bye DESPAIR, and Korekiyo Shinguji from Danganronpa V3, Killing Harmony.
And the Ironic thing is for V3 the roles are switched
As you see in DR1, The two murders were males, and the Blackened was a Female
In V3 the two murders were Female and the blackened was a male
But in SDR2’s case A female murdered two other females
Technically you are wrong about DR1.
Hifumi murdered Taka, and then Celeste (Taeko) murdered Hifumi.
She was the mastermind behind it, but she only killed Hifumi technically.
Meanwhile the case 3 murders of the other games were done by only one person, and no accomplice.
I just lost TWO of my favorite characters
Mikan was a human rocket
I hate mikan for Killing hyoko
But how did they kill?
They only show the set up of the crime or something!
That's because the method of the killings are revealed during the game itself. Ibuki was one of the four suffering from Despair Disease, in her case it manifested as total gullibility. This allowed Mikan to strangle her without any resistance. Hiyoko walked in on the murder and Mikan slashed her throat. The fact that Ibuki was strangled and not hanged, incidentally, is what reveals Mikan as the murderer: she claimed Ibuki had died by hanging, but a trained nurse would have easily seen the difference between hanging and strangulation marks.
Spoilers:
How did Mikan kill Ibuki and Hiyoko?
Hiyoko got her throat slit and Ibuki was strangled.
Mikan found a obsession with junko so then killed Ibuki when Ibuki had the despair disease and hiyoko walked in when Mikan was killling Ibuki so Mikan slit hiyokos throat which killed both of them
This closing argument was so bad. All it shows is the killer hiding evidence, didn’t even show how the murders happened.
I'm very disappointed, this has to be one of the worst trials in danganronpa, there were so many holes and flukes, it only shows the plan, not even how the victims were murdered (specifically hiyoko, I'm just assuming it had been a scalpel.) mikans breakdown was disappointing too, infact you could almost predict it, the execution was sexualized and while of course mikan felt despair (from what I've heard apparently she has a fear of gigantic objects?) The execution was short sexualized and bad, definitely my least favorite case ever.
sad we didn’t get to see her argue
5:49 hahahah hidden pp glow
this trial makes 0 sense mikan should have won not gonna lie
The Execution is a bit boring like I wanna change it than Lethal Injection, the execution is goofy and scary
At the end of the day mikan got the dieseas mikan also did this smart asssss helllllll but a weirdo in the anime
My friend sent me a link to this
Hajime hinata said the killer's name!
not ibuki..
Ahem..technalikinakily however you spell it mahirus death was meaningless cause hiyoko died and i think she should of survived and it could be ahem...(miss sonia neverfuck) what??!?!?! Yall hear sum.?
brb crying
Is like detective conan