The Dude907 yeah,but without Sonia he would probs become depressed, then he would become friends with gundham, then he would become kinda even more depressed after chapter 4, then, because Kazuichi was friends with Hajime, they would become protective because his potential friend and love interest died. Alothough, I’m not going after the video here, except for the Sonia death thing, so this is what I would feel what happened.
The Sonia, Tanaka, Soda deal isn't even a love triangle. I call it a love lollipop. Sonia and Tanaka share mutual feelings, creating a circle, while Soda is the third wheel forever stuck in the outskirts, with an unreciprocated line connected to Sonia.
Fact that Sonia survived whole killing game is good twist imo. When I met her and saw that she's ultimate princess I was sure she will become a victim. Kinda reversed Rantaro situation.
@@ShinyShilla What an obvious idiot it was so freaking obvious that Celes was the culprit even my 5 year sister could immediately see her as the culprit. So I'm definitely not surprised he thought Hagakure was the culprit of chapter 3 and Souda as the victim.
@@mrmikeyrobin You... you on something? Souda was in DR2 not in the first one. My comment was made time ago, when Bijuu would blame almost always Souda over every murder or he really wanted him to BE the dead one. In a way or another. And surprise Souda never killed nor died
My original comment was gonna be explaining how I see Mikan's canon execution, but then I saw the Robbie Rotten meme in the video, so I'm gonna rewrite it. A better execution for Mikan would be a botched surgery. Monokuma is operating on her and hurting her in various unpleasant but ultimately non-lethal ways. We don't see the exact surgeries, but we can see her reactions and her blood splurting out. Eventually it looks like Monokuma will finally finish her off, but instead he walks away, leaving her to bleed out. A monitor flatlines in the BGM. The point is her breakdown is a lot of fun to voice
Yes! I thought the same thing! But i thought instead of blood we can see the shadow of her like, guts or smt, being pulled out behind one of those panels that are in hospitals that light can go thru. My vesion *might* be a bit too gory for danganronpa, but cartoony-like sausage link looking guts coulndt be that bad
To be honest I expected the same thing, I really like Souda and Hajime as total bros, but I wouldn't have minded for Souda to be replace by someoen else eithier
@@frenchfries2998 I know, and thats a shame really, if someone stupid MUST survive, then let them have some growth at least! With Souda they already siad what they could have done with him, amd Hakagure...why did he survived in the first place? Why couldn't ANYONE else taje his place?
@@martinmelanopaz6925 Yeah I agree but he could've been given atleast A LITTLE character development but hey atleast his predictions are somewhat right (for example during his free time events he predicts that he and Makoto' s child would have the same mother which is what happend in the bad end and the dude predicted that there won't be any murders after celete's since sakura poisoned herself and mukuro was already dead due to those spears)
And now i realize the missed opportunity of developing Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko's dynamic into a bickering sibling rivalry that secretly supports the other Damn you, kodaka
Sonia is an incredibly mediocre and average character in the game, with her only defining trait being her interest in the occult. I do think her death would be more interesting to the story and for me, I think it would have some fascinating yet heartbreaking effects on Gundham. This is because losing someone he truly cares about could result in a change in his usual confident demeanor. Besides a couple moments in his Free Time Events, we usually never see Gundham show to much emotion in terms of sadness or anything like that. I think his lover dying would provide a window to have him show or attempt to be open with the group and I think that would be more fulfilling for the viewer to see more of his personality. Not to mention, this could further back up his actions in the 4th trial. At this point, he has formed a bond with the rest of the group, more so with Hajime and Kazuichi. In his fear to see the people he cares about killed again, (since he wouldn’t want to feel the same sorrow he did with Sonia) he kills Nekomaru. Sorry this was a bit long! I just thought the idea of Sonia not being a survivor would have an interesting effect on the rest of the characters.
This sounds amazing, like woah- I love how people can think about after effects of different people dying and what type of Character development some would get!
@@justinjakeashton Regardless, she was still the one to show him the most kindness and sympathy for his love of animals and his eighth-grade syndrome. That had to hurt him to some degree. Besides, I think the two liked each other even before the 4th chapter. But I do agree that they really became close in the 4th chapter. Perhaps, if Sonia truly did die in Chapter 3, then the creators could give them a closer relationship in the earlier parts of the game.
In my opinion, Sonia is not as mediocre as people make her out to be. She did have development after Gundham's death, and she tried her best to mantain Gundham's final message. It's not much, but I kind of dislike how everyone dismisses this.
Honestly? Sonia is a comfort character for me. I don’t know why it’s weird Honestly though I really enjoy your video-however I do have an idea. Everything else goes as planed as you said-Sonia goes to get the mirror and Kazuichi goes up and him being the simp he is offers to go get it for her and Sonia is like ‘Uhh Yeah,Whatever’ and he just never comes back. Sonia goes to check on him at the same time Hajime goes to see Ibuki and they find both of their bodies and then the chapter goes on as normal in cannon I would do this so not only so Hiyoko could survive and get her arc but Sonia could get an arc as well which in my opinion she needs,as I like her and wish she got more development.
@@axolotl593 Why would you need someone perfect in a killing game? I think that would only set them back. If anything, I thought she would be killed _because_ she was perfect. Obviously, the killers would go after someone who could reveal them in a class trial, and because Sonia is perfect, she would definitely be on their list.
I think messy and unfinished character arcs fit the game rather well. This is a messy, brutal killing game; deaths are going to be random. Plus, it makes the character deaths that much more unpredictable and horrifying, feeding into what should be the main focus of a murder mystery game: the murder mysteries. One of the reasons why I didn't really feel anything for V3's survivors is because I knew they were gonna survive since chapter 3 or earlier. It's also why the discovery of Hiyoko's body is one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Since they were willing to kill a character with clear character development I had no idea who was next, one of the moments I truly felt afraid in this series and I loved it! Also: I think talking about a character sacrificing their own life for someone else's character development like it was necessary is rather degrading. They stop being a character and just a plot device, which is a really unhealthy way to think about humans. It legitimately sounds like a part of Nagito's philosophy. Death is something horrific and traumatizing, it should never be necessary.
i think hiyoko was missed potential, but as someone who did use that same tactic in their own fangan, i agree with this. & while me and my partner love each other a lot, i do disagree with her when they say "kazuichi earn his spot in the survivors by sonia and gundam dying" (i don't think that was exactly what she meant, since she's glad kazuichi lived either way, but still).
Aeris Akamatsu Well I feel like a charachter who is usually stupid and has not the much development survives both games. Like hagakure and souda meanwhile everyone else has development
i just wanna say a few other things too. first of all, gundham actually doesn't hate kazuichi! in the second chapter, gundham actually tries to spend time with kazuichi and hajime when they try going to the beach. kazuichi declines because kazuichi *does* hate gundham, but it shows at least gundham doesn't hate him. also, sonia and gundhams relationship doesn't really develop until the fourth chapter, so while gundham would probably be a little sad that someone with similar interests to his died, but not completely distraught. i think because of all that, he would try to slowly comfort kazuichi, because as i said, in chapter two, he wanted to become closer to kazuichi :D
In my opinion, I would say let Ibuki live, but start making her more dour and depressed, less quick on the draw, as an example of the Despair starting to set in. Where later she starts trying to act the same, but gets progressively quieter and slower. Any excuse for Ibuki not to die. ;-;
I disagree, the second trial didn’t need to be a Double Murder. People say Ibuki would mess with the tone, but, THE TONE WAS DUMB REGARDLESS! They let Yasuhiro and Genocide Jill survive, who the fuck cares about the tone?!
@@MotorcycleCheetah well yasuhiro was ironically very important for foreshadowing the twist of trial 4 and figuring out red herrings, while jill sirved a narrative purpose of being able to remember past memories tohko didn't have acces to
I've always been more partial to where there didnt have to be a double kill here, but I understand the reason to keep it. I still say that Sonia being the mastermind rather than Junko would have been a better use of the story for her for how much it would fit her character, but this is a fun alternate to also get Hiyoko to the finish line. Also, my main thing about the weapon is not that it is never named or shown, but more that it is never mentioned. We have to go over obvious deaths like the baseball bat to prove that is the murder weapon, but not even a mention is a bit annoying if inconsistent.
In all honesty I am a Sonia fan and even I thought she was gonna be the mastermind. I was trying to use logic to guess who was behind it. Her princess status meant she was rich and powerful so I thought her kingdom owned the island they were on. Sadly I was wrong since it was Junko but she would have been a great mastermind. It would make her obsession with serial killers even funnier honestly. Lol.
@@TimNewmanGaming Yeah, as she had the motive with the obsession with killers and Japan, so she would be in love with Junko. There is also the foreshadowing from Twogami at the start where he says that either the Togami Corporation (can't because they are dead), the Kuzuryu Clan (had it's own story arc), or Sonia's Kingdom (which is just a redherring?) could be behind it because of their influence and power. There is also the parts of her not being a major part of any trial besides sending Hiyoko to her death, the current story was perfectly lined up for it all.
@@griefingg0lem685 That's right!! I completely forgot Twogami said that. I feel like it's a good clue but not obvious and him being killed first would make his death better since the 1st death always has some value. Just like my favorite Rantaro dying in V3 cause he knew too much. I still mad about him dying first. Wish he was the main instead of Shuichi. Mainly cause he can remember near the end that he was in a previous killing game and trying to learn about the missing memories of it. That would've been crazy cause him and Tsumugi rivalry would have been insane!
You didn't really touch on this, but, as a sonia fan, I think your proposal for sonia being a second victim could expand more on her character and the impact her death would have on the rest of the cast too. After twogami establishes himself as leader in ch.1, sonia has a scene where she says shes not really interested in leading. However after twogamis death we do see her trying to bring the class together, both with the beach party and helping hiyoko with her kimono. If the writers put in some more scenes like that with sonia they could have easily established her as the leader figure that encouraged everyone to get along after twogami died, which is fitting considering her talent. If sonia died in chapter 3, the only other character whos a good leader would be nekomaru probably, and during the ch.3 trial everyone would probably panic a little since they have no leader figure in their investigation. (They could have had chiaki give a shounen protag speech about finding the truth even though their unofficial leader is gone and give her more character development at least.) Then after nekomaru dies in chapter 4 the class might be more split as they have no leader figure left, which could give everyone else a chance to start being more serious. (Especially chiaki-she kind of took on a directory role in ch. 5 but with sonia right there being all DONT WORRY EVERYONE STAY CALM ABOUT THE BOMBS the effect was kind of lost) It could give sonia a more prominent role in the story and also reduce some of the goofing off in the later chapters as everyone learns to take things seriously since some of their joking around in the later trials were kind of tonally dissonant
How would I know? I’m not aeris, an opinion is an opinion, when I asked their in one of their streams of what their least favourite character was she said it was kokichi, and they said “I CANT FUCKING STAND KOKICHI.”
I love this development for Hiyoko, but especially for Soda. If Sonia had died the things he did would have been much better. When he made the Mini Nekomaru for Akane it warmed my heart, but it just ruined it having him make it for her to impress Sonia. I love this rewrite and I throughly enjoyed the video!
I've never thought of a way to improve this chapter so I find this really interesting. Also since Gundham and Souda are my favorite characters in SDR2 I think that a little bit of extra development would add a lo to their characters and their romantic rivalry.
Honestly, I could understand hyoko being murdered, espically seeing how ruthlessly she bullied Mikan, But if the writers really wanted to follow this route, it would make sence to not have Ibuki die (yet atleast) because it takes away from how emotionally jarring it could have potentially been.
Sonia is a gate keeper and inside the gate there's character development , she doesn't let in Kazuichi , Hiyoko and Gundham in. That's how I like to imagine lt.
I think Hiyoko would feel guilty if Sonia died and her character development would be faster She'd try to become friends with Souda or Gundam because of the thing between them
Ok- this has nothing to do with the video although it is amazing great job Aeris- Fuyuhiko looks like a tennis ball. Like, objectively. He even has those two stripes. Meanwhile, Ryoma, the ultimate tennis player, killed a mafia with his tennis skills. Fuyuhiko is the Ultimate Yakuza, essentially the Japanese mafia. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.
The Gundam and Souda fix really reminds me of the Taka and Mondo bond. They first hated each other, then they became best friends and as it turns out, one of them is a killer.
Me, a Soda stan before your partner goes off: this would be good Me, a Soda stan after your partner goes off: THIS WOULD HAVE MADE THE GAME SO MUCH BETTER, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST, I AM SO ANGRY SODA DIDNT GET THAT DEVELOPMENT
@@chaesbestfriend608 YOU SUMMONED ME? I honestly love him as a simp, but I feel he could be even more lovable if he didn't do EveRYTHING for Miss Sonia.
Honestly tho the second games like most hated on characters who are Kazuichi, Mikan, and Akane who all grew up either poor and were all abused Edit: the reason I included Mikan but not Hiyoko was, everybody mentions the reason she was mean and cold to everybody whereas the 3 people I mentioned like 99% of the fanbase hates them, also they are the characters where they get reduced down to Pervert Stalker Guy (Kazuichi), Fanservice Nurse (Mikan), and boobies food hungry gymnast girl (Akane) nobody cares to look into their backstories or to do the free time events with them, (when I played I did almost all of mine with Akane, and I actually FINISHED Hiyokos, and I honestly think that Hiyoko dosent get as much hate as people would think compared to characters like Mikan, Kazuichi, Akane, and hell Even Mahiru and Peko.
@@fluffsynthesis Mikan and Saionji are both hated a lot. Mikan is both overhated AND overrated. I love Mikan, but a lot of people tend to get her character wrong and think she's only cute because she killed Saionji and other reasons. They're both good people and were it not for Junko I think both of them could've come to an understanding
I love Saijoni to be honest. I love a lot of hated characters and with my most favorite character being Monaca. I actually like this video It makes sense and I didn't really grow a fondness for Sonia and Ibuki so I would truly not care.
If i'm being honest, i believe Sonia should've been the blackened in chapter 4. Maybe she realized what was Gundam's plan, and she took matters into her own hands.
@@kokomhie1809 And that could even create some sort of mutal respect between the two, and *actually giving soda something to fucking do other than simp and be a creep towards Sonia*
Ok but imagine hajime being the culprit of chapter 5. It kinda makes sense if you think about it. Hajime throws the poison bottle and dies. Chiaki gets to live and show the others that there is hope for our future. Everyone loves Chiaki and would take her side no matter what, while they never seemed to feel the same about hajime. But also imagine the plot twist! You've played as this character for so long and then BOOM they're the killer! They would have the same execution as Chiaki and you wouldn't understand why until you watch the anime and see that hajime and Chiaki bonded over video games, leaving you with more dispair! I know everyone thinks that chapter 5 of danganronpa 2 is the best trial ever but I feel like this might be a good idea!
but it wouldn't make sense because without hajime who's basically izuru he wouldn't have woken up the dead classmates so i say it would've botched cannon too much
yeah but what about izuru kamakura and hajime being the actual master mind? i think thats a best plot twist and makes the chiaki death even more painfull. but chiaki even death help hinata and the others with hope. Sorry for my bad english...
@@kylesky74 didn't the future foundation wake up the dead classmates? I might just be really stupid but the virtual world was set up my the future foundation so wouldn't they wake the dead classmates up?
I just dont like how in the second game 3 of the 5 survivors had somebody sacrifice themselves to save them Peko- Fuyuhiko Nekomaru- Akane Gundham- Sonia Then Hajime is the protag so he'd obviously survive Then just Kazuichi, like in the first game I'd say only 1 of the deaths was a sacrifice and it was Sakuras and it was mainly Towards Hina I'd say but affected everybody
yeah i have always found that wierd with the survivors of the second game because of the running theme of keeping a persons legacy in their memory and the souda is just there
I always thought Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko would have a really interesting dynamic that could’ve been explored more! I’m really glad someone talked about it!
I've actually thought about this a while ago and you LITERALLY took the words right out of my mouth! I agree with everything you said and as a hiyoko stan this would've made me REALLY happy!
I ADORED this video and I honestly love the idea of Hiyoko surviving and a friendship between her and Fuyu! Good job with this video Aeris! Your videos are amazing and make me appreciate a lot of characters more!! oh and the "the little shit" in that list of characters made me laugh
One of the biggest pro-Sonia survivors here Sonia dying could legit be a great case because, well, SHE’S A PRINCESS. SHE HAS AN ENTIRE NATION ON HER SHOULDERS. Her death would affect not just our survivors, but an entire kingdom. Plus, her little thing about being glad she’s equal and that she hopes to be friends with everyone when you first meet her would just be painful looking back
I’m pretty sure Kazuichi wasn’t actually abused by his father. WeebyNewz explains this further in her analysis of Kazuichi, but basically, it was more of a figurative “beating up”; he wasn’t actually physically hurt by his parents (and if he was, it wasn’t constant- it most likely only happened once or twice during Kazuichi’s childhood). Amazing video otherwise though, and I completely agree :)
I mean even if it happened once or twice. It still is abuse. Nor does it take away from the fact that this happened and could still cause trauma Abuse:treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly. Key word especially. Not solely And even if it doesn’t actually count as abuse. It is still wrong and can still be traumatic
And abuse isn’t always physical. It can be verbal or emotional. That figurative beating up if resulted in insults and degrading for example, and what beating up figuratively usually is, is still very much abuse. And even if not constant, it still can have horrible effects on someone’s psyche and should not be excused. Perhaps you aren’t excusing it but it interprets that way to me.
Not knowing what the murder weapon for Hiyoko was isn't the problem exactly, it's the fact that it was never brought up in the class trial at all. Heck, if they had brought it up, they might've deduced that it was Mikan even quicker since there was nothing at the crime scene that would be able to slit Hiyoko's throat and Mikan would be the only one who's profession/ultimate requires a sharp object (besides maybe Fuyukiko i guess?) But yeah not discovering an answer is fine, but not asking in the first place is not fine for a class trial
honestly? i think it's more realistic than the class being able to remember absolutely every detail, and with the trick mikan set up, that was probably what everyone wanted to solve. if it was crucial evidence, it could've caused her to go free - but that's kind of what culprits are trying to do?
Yo Aeris... Me and my friend had this EXACT SAME CONVERSATION. Almost EXACTLY. About Peko and Mahiru's sacrifice-- To Kazuichi and Gundham's post-Sonia death arc together. The complete unification of all the Survivors being people who've lost things. EVERYONE in the whole game would have this impressive arc and share losing another.
I lost my shit on "were probably on a minecraft server together at that point", now my headcanon that after every sdr2 character dies they join the big minecraft server in the sky 💖
I can only imagine that everyone’s always yelling over something stupid and Mondo, Fuyuhiko, and Miu keep getting kicked out for cussing out the other characters. edit: Nagito and Kokichi keep griefing the map and getting kicked from the server.
I feel if both were survive, what could happen is a combination of the two ideas you had in section 3. Maybe they have a falling out and Fuyuhiko almost kills Hiyoko, but then she is able to come to her senses and apologize, and fuyuhiko would be able to accept her apology, and then they grow into a mutual “frenemies” dynamic. Also I feel fuyuhiko’s development would be more focused on opening up just to put difference in Hiyoko’s development. Great video
18:39 Kiyo stan about to slam my face against to keyboard say: PLEASE STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS HE’S SO MUCH BETTER AS AN ABSOLUTE MONSTER OF A CHARACTER! Also really fuckin good video. I fell off of DR for a while so I haven’t watched much of your content recently, and I’m planning on rectifying that now that I’ve watched this.
Fun Chpater 3 Fact: Celestia is the only killer to have actually made a plan on killing both of her Victims, while Korekyio and Mikan only planned on killing one person (Ibuki, and whoever went into do the ritual, also 1 of Kork and Mikans victims are both voiced by Julie Ann Taylor, its Ibuki and Tenko)
Personally I don't think both Kuzuryuu and Saionji should have lived. Their arcs were too similar, and it would have been redundant. And Kuzuryuu had an awesome arc with more potential than Saionji, so I'm happy with how things went. However, if Saionji lived I think Kuzuryuu should have died with Pekoyama in chapter 2 instead of being magically healed by Monokuma. That would have made chapter 2 even more impactful. The second victim could have been Sonia, if there really was a need for a second victim. Personally what I disliked the most about chapter 3 is that the motive was the cheapest in the series and that Mioda's death was the most unfair one (I'm not a fan of Mioda, but I didn't like how Monokuma rigged the game so Mioda couldn't possibly survive without her representing a threat to her plan). Also, that Mikan seemed to have teleported during her murder. By the way, I don't think the murder weapons is neccesarily a scalpel. Tsumiki was a nurse, not a surgeon, so she had no reason to carry a scalpel around.
I real wish MIKAN didn’t die either cause lots of people see her as a fan service charachter. Or see her as crazy as they don’t realize why she went crazy when remembering.
I think Sonia should have got the diease and kill hiyoko. She usually like dreaming about things with there despair disease it would make her take initiative and be like the serial killers she likes so much. Her death could have impacted gundham and kazuichi.
@@frenchfries2998 I don't think Tanaka would have been very impacted. People usually exaggerate his relationship with Sonia, but they didn't interact that much in the game. And considering his personality, he would have hidden it anyway. Sonia being a murder victim would fit her since she is so obsessed with murderers. But wanting to become one would still be a better motive than becoming evil just because Monokuma said so. The disease is still a horrible motive.
@@DetectiveNyx lol yeah. But your idea for Sonia dying and Kazuichi getting character development was actually very interesting and I never even thought of that
Sonia is an okay character and I kinda like her, its just that it kinda feels like they gave her little to no personality exept : - serial killers are cool - I am the ultimate pricess but also live in wherethefcuk and my country's got waky traditions (? Sorry icant remember the word, like when she tells hajime in her country you should be like 20 min early or smt) Also : sezs joke×2 and occasional heavy swearing
My rewrite is based on an idea brought up in V3’s chapter 3; a double murder where the killers are different. Mikan would still kill Ibuki, but when she tries to kill Hyoko, Fuyo would kill Mikan (his motive was to protect Hyoko and repay his debt to her). During the trial, Hyoko would try to defend Fuyo and he would still be declared the blackened (before his execution, he would tell Hyoko not to be afraid to reach out, even though she couldn’t protect him during the trial). This does two things: Fuyo’s desire to protect someone he values is satisfied and Hyoko finally starts opening up to the others.
I have an idea for this idea! Since it’s brought up that killing off Fuyuhiko would devalue Peko’s sacrifice, maybe Mikan would attempt to murder Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko comes to protect her. With that, they go to alarm the others and the whole class trial is trying to figure out how Ibuki was murdered and if Mikan killed her or if Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko did. Maybe Fuyuhiko’s willingness to protect her would be a way for her to see that trusting the others isn’t a bad idea. And maybe Sonia could provide a testament that she saw Hiyoko trying to put on her kimono, and that there was no way that she could’ve killed Ibuki that fast with a untied Kimono. Anyway sorry for that ramble, I just wanted to add some ideas
I’m going to write my version of the trial in the comments in a while because I disagree with a lot even if I do adore this video. Hi Lexi from like seventy years later I finished it lol So this probably won’t be seen I mean it’s been two months but I’d like to share my opinion as a Sonia fan. I honestly believe that Hiyoko dying was smart it shows how tragic the killing game could be I mean think about it death isn’t death without loss I think Sonia dying for Kazuichi isn’t the best idea mostly because it would be fridging which doesn’t sound great but I’d like to give an alternative if we want Hiyoko to survive how about this Kazuichi dies this would help both Hiyoko and Sonia, Sonia for obvious reasons and Hiyoko because Kazuichi was her second biggest target it could make her feel guilt for her actions Sonia living from this would also leave chapter four to be more interesting since it could give Gundam and Sonia more interactions let’s say Sonia is grieving over Souda Gundam more or less tries comforting her over the chapter and she feels better now we know what happens in chapter four so let’s go to the trial Sonia struggles to clear gundams name until she cannot anymore and then he dies I think if they really want to hint at a relationship they should just go ahead and make it happen, let’s say Gundam is found guilty and leaves Sonia crying he gives her his hamsters and tells her to continue living for him and there we go in chapter five we can have her trying very hard to cope with everything that’s happened and in chapter five she breaks down over Chiaki like she did I think this would give her the development she needs and yeah this is too long so if someone read this thanks dude
I completely agree with you. Sonia would’ve made the most logical second victim in this case. Keep in mind, Sonia is kind of my comfort character for me and I still 100% agree with your points about her and I definitely feel the same. Also, a Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko friendship sounds lovely and I stan. Amazing video, I’m sad I haven’t watched this sooner. Keep up the great work.
I actually am someone who also thinks Sonia should have died, because she’s kinda boring. Everyone else actually had something very different about them, and I do hate Hiyoko because of how mean she was, but I felt like she could have gotten better with more character development, but she died too early to get any.
me and my friend wanna rewrite DR2, so as to neaten out all of the parts we don't like. this video served as the main catalyst from that idea bc oh my goodness it's so much better than what we actually got
I love this changes. Adding to Kazuichis development i think It would ve interesting to explore His obsession with Sonia , because for me his behaviour towards her was More of a coping mechanism than a real crush.
Actually, Hiyoko was never supposed to be the survivor. Her role was always meant to be the Taka of this game (a character whose best friend dies in Chapter 2, now she dies when she\s slowly changing). Someone likely created this headcanon to explain why her death was looked into in less detail (even though the same happened with Taka, with Hifumi's death being more focused on). Likewise, the misconception that Fuyuhiko was supposed to die (apparently instead of Nekomaru, a misconception likely created due to having each other's beta designs) is a myth too. It's been spread by someone on a Korean wiki with no actual source. Read about it here: popculturemyths.com/fuyuhiko-was-supposed-to-die-in-chapter-3/
a. i still think it's likely that this was the initial plan because while it's not a confirmed theory, it hasn't been outright disproven either, and the writing does support that hiyoko was meant to get further development while fuyuhiko was meant to die here. it's not like there's a character that just rushed through their development at chapter 3 and hung around the rest of the game like fuyuhiko did in dr1, so taka's death makes more sense as that devastating hit; because it was written to be a devastating hit. the writing being so rushed in solely this chapter also indicates it was rewritten in a hurry. b. even though i was aware of this being an unconfirmed theory after publishing the snapshot, at the time of writing i was in deep depression and severely fearful of my safety and security, and was just desperate to finish the video so there was something to show through that timeframe, whether the theory presented was confirmed or not.
Hi, this is just a suggestion, but can you try improving chapter 3 of DR1 ? This is just my personal opinion, but I hated that chapter a lot. The motivation for Celeste to kill is very dull, the way they cut off Taka's character development in the middle of it, and Hifumi's motivation in general I just think its stupid, and since you talked about chapter 3 of V3 and DR2 I thought you might try giving DR1's a try. This is just my suggestion though since I don't see many people talking about it, over all nice video though
Spoiler I wish that they brought up Mikan’s behavior at the end of her trial during the Chapter 6 trial. That could further state “This is what you ALL were like before, Mikan was a perfect example. You ALL were like her. She reverted back to being a Remnant of Despair blah blah blah, etc.”
Why do I agree with you so much tf Edit: - Hiyoko was my favorite in drv2 and didn't finish her arc - I really hate Sonia and she gets on my nerves. - It would give Kazuichi (my 5th favorite character of all time) to survive. Thank you this video was amazing
But hiyoko and fuyuhiko would basically have the same devolpments. Really mean small people that no one takes seriously effected by a death in chapter 2 and starts being nicer.
Sonia should have survived: 1) Chapter 4 would be worse bc sonia wouldnt fight for Gundam. 2) All of her best jokes are after chapter 3. 3) She was the only one left who is very friendly. 4) No one could take care of Gundam’s hamsters. 5) She is smart, weird, interesting and strong. Like if you agree
@@DetectiveNyx gundam wouldnt trust them as much as his oh so dear sonia. Also: akane would eat them, chiaki dies, souda would never take care of his hamsters, hajime maybe. Also sonia is the only one that liked the dark stuff that gundam liked and they are four devas of destruction not random hamsters Also wow you are a fast responder(thats probably because i said sonia should have survived)
I always felt that the sonia/gundham arc of chapter 4 shouldve happened in chapter 3, and Sonia shouldve died and been the killer. In other words, Mikan kills Ibuki and attacks Sonia, being killed in self defense
Sonia couldn't possibly die that easily like she said "I do not intend to kill and I do not intend to be killed easily either" so I think if Sonia gets the mirror and she saw Mikan Killing/killed Ibuki then I think she would run away...Well its just an opinion and btw Sonia is one of my best girls :D
I love Sonia only causr after the 3rd trial, she is a one liner machine. I found myself laughing at a good chunk of what she said. She may be a trash character, but she is MY trash character. But your changes do make sense and I always love some good Fuyuhiko develupment.
Honestly here is how I would write the second game; Chapter 1 Victim- Imposter Killer- Teruteru *this is probably the only killer and victim I'm keeping the same Chapter 2 Victim- Mikan Tsumiki Killer- Fuyuhiko Kuzuryuu *Yeah I know I killed off Fuyuhiko, but I decided him to be the victim so Peko could learn to grow as a person but originally she would be depressed and feel as if his death was her fault Chapter 3 (Here in brackets are the ppl who are affected by the despair disease) (Nagito Komaeda, Peko Pekoyama, Sonia Nevermind, and Hiyoko Saionji) *Kazuichi and Hajime decide to take care of the people affected by the despair disease whilst (Nekomaru, Akane, Gundham, Ibuki, Mahiru, and Chiaki stay in the motel) Victims- Sonia Nevermind and Nekomaru Nidai Killer- Kazuichi *ok so Kazuichi didnt actually kill Sonia, nekomaru did as he accidentally came in contact with the disease but just was asymptomatic and eventually he killed Sonia, but Kazuichi saw and then shut him down this killing him (Yes the Akane exectuion thing happened and yes Nekomaru became a robot except that would happen in chapter 2) Chapter 4 Victim- Ibuki Killer- Gundham *Like the last one this was like Gundham wanted to meet up with Ibuki but she got scared and ran into a pole and died from the impact of it, but Monokuma was like oooh no you killed her Gundham Chapter 5 Victim- Nagito Komaeda Killer- Chiaki Nanami Survivors; Hajime Hinata Akane Owari Hiyoko Saionji Peko Pekoyama Mahiru Koizumi *edit yeah I am now realizing that they are all girls except for Hajime but idc
Well i think the ideia of Sonia getting killed its pretty interesting,since hiyoko was already in some kind of development with mahiru's death, but i think something different could have happened too. Listen up okay?? Soooo sonia in her FTE events told us that she was kidnapped sometimes and i think her parents where worried about what could happen to her in the future, since you don't really know the real intentions of the kidnapper. This is where my analisis and theory goes. Sonia could have some training,before she entered hope's peak, because of the kidnapping and she learned how to defend herself against a kidnapper or anyone else that would be a treat to her. So one thing that could have happened and could make this trial even more creative and unique is this. After hiyoko asks sonia to get the mirror in the typhoon,after she sees mikan killing ibuki in there,mikan attacks sonia but get surprised, because sonia has some training on self defense,so sonia take the weapon mikan was holding and for self defense she attacks and kills mikan. It would be a fusion between dangaronpa happy havoc 1 and 3 class trial because she killed in self defense but mikan killed ibuki first and the whooole trial would be different because they would have to discover who killed who first,which would result the inspiration in v3 class trial 3 and would improve the whole trial too because the culprit killed but was also killed, instead of being mikan the ONLY killer she would have been also the victim and sonia would get executed. and the ark between soda and gundham would have changed and maybe in the end it would get to an end where the 2 of them survives and becomes best friends I know it sounds crazy but i think it would have worked as well and in my opinion it would have improved the trial more ^^ Edit: keep in mind that the culprit was mikan,no one tells her to do that (like celestia cooperating with hifumi) she was the original culprit buuut sonia kills her and become the culprit in the end
I think the hate for Hiyoko's rudeness comes from her childish personality and appearance. When a kid is being rude, you expect them to be told off. They're being "immature" and don't deserve the same respect as adults (even though neither hiyoko nor ruruka are children) Comparing this to characters like Junko and Miu, there's a level of awe that comes from watching somebody so grown up (especially these too as they mention their sexuality so much) act so childish and immature. It's like watching a classmate talk back to a teacher; it's dangerous and shocking but you find some respect in it Similarly with Byakuya and perhaps kokichi, despite them being frequent douches, they hold a level of authority over others in their mean actions because they call others out (albeit rather rudely) Anyways, I hope that my rambling made sense! I want to know if people agree or not aha
To add on to Kazuichi’s development, I feel like he would start being insanely protective over Hajime after Gundham died.
Yes.
True, they were friends in the game.
He's Kazuichi,remember
The Dude907 yeah,but without Sonia he would probs become depressed, then he would become friends with gundham, then he would become kinda even more depressed after chapter 4, then, because Kazuichi was friends with Hajime, they would become protective because his potential friend and love interest died.
Alothough, I’m not going after the video here, except for the Sonia death thing, so this is what I would feel what happened.
That's....depressing and adorable at the same time.
The Sonia, Tanaka, Soda deal isn't even a love triangle. I call it a love lollipop. Sonia and Tanaka share mutual feelings, creating a circle, while Soda is the third wheel forever stuck in the outskirts, with an unreciprocated line connected to Sonia.
True lmao
yikess 😬
this
Yeah. I'm pretty sure only Kazuichi hates gundham, while Gundham just doesn't have an opinion on him and doesn't care
@Pippa Drummond well, they aren't dead and they're still getting shipped.
We sadly could not have *two* small people with great character development survive
Who are you talking about?- *sUdDeN rEaLiSaTiOn*
I legit see you everywhere DanganChia
-Bijuu Mike
-Weebiz news
-multiple random videos about Danganronpa
And now here its unreal
Joythecat yeah I’m sorry about that. I just like to hang around the community and whatnot
@@AtChiaPet I am not mad or anything just kinda suprised XD
Joythecat lol ofc
I wanna see Hiyoko diss Junko when she comes :(
Junko = Ultimate PIG BARF
@@rorystrachan6188 Hiyoko: You nasty little ultimate pig shit! I'd rather live with Mikan the pig barf than spend 5 second with you!
i wanna see hiyoko discover her grown up picture :(
@@KingKeaton777 you get vibe checked by hiyoko
“Oh my gosh! What is that ugly ASS *THING?* It even looks worse than Mikan!”
Fact that Sonia survived whole killing game is good twist imo. When I met her and saw that she's ultimate princess I was sure she will become a victim. Kinda reversed Rantaro situation.
Much like BijuuMike with Souda
@@ShinyShilla didn't he think hiro was the culprit from chapter 3 onward?
Sonia gave me obvious survivor vibes
@@ShinyShilla What an obvious idiot it was so freaking obvious that Celes was the culprit even my 5 year sister could immediately see her as the culprit. So I'm definitely not surprised he thought Hagakure was the culprit of chapter 3 and Souda as the victim.
@@mrmikeyrobin You... you on something? Souda was in DR2 not in the first one. My comment was made time ago, when Bijuu would blame almost always Souda over every murder or he really wanted him to BE the dead one. In a way or another. And surprise Souda never killed nor died
Aeris writing the contingency plan for when Giant Hiyoko inevitably escapes the void and comes to feast on our souls
nice prediction
Your pfp is extremely fitting for this comment
I like your profile pic 😂😂🤣
@Porkchopsrock12 Tenko hater. I'm going to *c r y* now.
Aeris writing how Hiyoko and Kazuichi could of had improved chadacter arcs by killing one different character.
Yep. I was 90% right.
If Sonia had died, that would stop Kazuichi from being a total simp.
@@MoskHotel
Yeah. And hed have some proper character development.
My original comment was gonna be explaining how I see Mikan's canon execution, but then I saw the Robbie Rotten meme in the video, so I'm gonna rewrite it.
A better execution for Mikan would be a botched surgery. Monokuma is operating on her and hurting her in various unpleasant but ultimately non-lethal ways. We don't see the exact surgeries, but we can see her reactions and her blood splurting out. Eventually it looks like Monokuma will finally finish her off, but instead he walks away, leaving her to bleed out. A monitor flatlines in the BGM.
The point is her breakdown is a lot of fun to voice
Yes! I thought the same thing! But i thought instead of blood we can see the shadow of her like, guts or smt, being pulled out behind one of those panels that are in hospitals that light can go thru. My vesion *might* be a bit too gory for danganronpa, but cartoony-like sausage link looking guts coulndt be that bad
@@cows_on_a.picnic jesus christ
@@cows_on_a.picnic it is cool but as you said too gory for danganropa
Surgeon simulator in real life
This is brutal and I like it. But I do think it should play into mikan’s insecurities more
Me : They're obviously gonna say Souda should've died
What they actually said : Sonia
Me : :0
*they're *they
To be honest I expected the same thing, I really like Souda and Hajime as total bros, but I wouldn't have minded for Souda to be replace by someoen else eithier
Martin Melano Paz the thing is the game always has someone stupid survive. Hagakure and souda. In the third game no cause there was 3 survivors
@@frenchfries2998 I know, and thats a shame really, if someone stupid MUST survive, then let them have some growth at least! With Souda they already siad what they could have done with him, amd Hakagure...why did he survived in the first place? Why couldn't ANYONE else taje his place?
@@martinmelanopaz6925 Yeah I agree but he could've been given atleast A LITTLE character development but hey atleast his predictions are somewhat right (for example during his free time events he predicts that he and Makoto' s child would have the same mother which is what happend in the bad end and the dude predicted that there won't be any murders after celete's since sakura poisoned herself and mukuro was already dead due to those spears)
And now i realize the missed opportunity of developing Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko's dynamic into a bickering sibling rivalry that secretly supports the other
Damn you, kodaka
*oh god now i want that more than development for hiyoko*
THIS
@@Stinkymf don't misuse Father God's beautiful name
Sonia is an incredibly mediocre and average character in the game, with her only defining trait being her interest in the occult. I do think her death would be more interesting to the story and for me, I think it would have some fascinating yet heartbreaking effects on Gundham. This is because losing someone he truly cares about could result in a change in his usual confident demeanor. Besides a couple moments in his Free Time Events, we usually never see Gundham show to much emotion in terms of sadness or anything like that. I think his lover dying would provide a window to have him show or attempt to be open with the group and I think that would be more fulfilling for the viewer to see more of his personality. Not to mention, this could further back up his actions in the 4th trial. At this point, he has formed a bond with the rest of the group, more so with Hajime and Kazuichi. In his fear to see the people he cares about killed again, (since he wouldn’t want to feel the same sorrow he did with Sonia) he kills Nekomaru.
Sorry this was a bit long! I just thought the idea of Sonia not being a survivor would have an interesting effect on the rest of the characters.
This sounds amazing, like woah- I love how people can think about after effects of different people dying and what type of Character development some would get!
@@Solo_LuX Thanks! As much as I love Gundham (and that's a lot), I think he could have had a bit more character development.
Gundham and Sonia's relationship hit off during chapter 4. I really don't understand how Sonia dying in Chapter 3 would affect Gundham.
@@justinjakeashton Regardless, she was still the one to show him the most kindness and sympathy for his love of animals and his eighth-grade syndrome. That had to hurt him to some degree. Besides, I think the two liked each other even before the 4th chapter. But I do agree that they really became close in the 4th chapter. Perhaps, if Sonia truly did die in Chapter 3, then the creators could give them a closer relationship in the earlier parts of the game.
In my opinion, Sonia is not as mediocre as people make her out to be. She did have development after Gundham's death, and she tried her best to mantain Gundham's final message. It's not much, but I kind of dislike how everyone dismisses this.
Honestly?
Sonia is a comfort character for me.
I don’t know why it’s weird
Honestly though I really enjoy your video-however I do have an idea.
Everything else goes as planed as you said-Sonia goes to get the mirror and Kazuichi goes up and him being the simp he is offers to go get it for her and Sonia is like ‘Uhh Yeah,Whatever’ and he just never comes back. Sonia goes to check on him at the same time Hajime goes to see Ibuki and they find both of their bodies and then the chapter goes on as normal in cannon
I would do this so not only so Hiyoko could survive and get her arc but Sonia could get an arc as well which in my opinion she needs,as I like her and wish she got more development.
Same here! People might think she was too perfect or whatever but I thought that in a killing game, we needed someone like that.
Her free time events shows how interesting she really is but it's like the writers forgot about her
@@axolotl593 Why would you need someone perfect in a killing game? I think that would only set them back. If anything, I thought she would be killed _because_ she was perfect. Obviously, the killers would go after someone who could reveal them in a class trial, and because Sonia is perfect, she would definitely be on their list.
I *love* this idea much more!!! She’s my comfort character too, and I disliked kazuichi anyways so I mean this sounds way cooler!
Even though Kazuichi is my favorite character and I kin him, this is a pretty cool idea-
You forgot to mention that Souda would also resent Hiyoko HEAVILY for having inadvertently causing Sonia’s death. Just thought about that
Or maybe I missed it. If I did I apologize
Should we give Sonia character development?
"Nevermind"
(sorry)
I see what you did there.
Don't apologize. This is gold.
Oh! Did someone refer to me?
@@yummypotatosack KAME HAME HHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@yummypotatosack *OH HELLO HERE!*
I think messy and unfinished character arcs fit the game rather well. This is a messy, brutal killing game; deaths are going to be random. Plus, it makes the character deaths that much more unpredictable and horrifying, feeding into what should be the main focus of a murder mystery game: the murder mysteries. One of the reasons why I didn't really feel anything for V3's survivors is because I knew they were gonna survive since chapter 3 or earlier. It's also why the discovery of Hiyoko's body is one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Since they were willing to kill a character with clear character development I had no idea who was next, one of the moments I truly felt afraid in this series and I loved it!
Also: I think talking about a character sacrificing their own life for someone else's character development like it was necessary is rather degrading. They stop being a character and just a plot device, which is a really unhealthy way to think about humans. It legitimately sounds like a part of Nagito's philosophy. Death is something horrific and traumatizing, it should never be necessary.
I agree with you 100%
i think hiyoko was missed potential, but as someone who did use that same tactic in their own fangan, i agree with this. & while me and my partner love each other a lot, i do disagree with her when they say "kazuichi earn his spot in the survivors by sonia and gundam dying" (i don't think that was exactly what she meant, since she's glad kazuichi lived either way, but still).
Some of the worst despair of all is the kind that makes you think "This was not supposed to happen."
Aeris Akamatsu Well I feel like a charachter who is usually stupid and has not the much development survives both games. Like hagakure and souda meanwhile everyone else has development
*cries* Ryomaaaaa
i just wanna say a few other things too. first of all, gundham actually doesn't hate kazuichi! in the second chapter, gundham actually tries to spend time with kazuichi and hajime when they try going to the beach. kazuichi declines because kazuichi *does* hate gundham, but it shows at least gundham doesn't hate him. also, sonia and gundhams relationship doesn't really develop until the fourth chapter, so while gundham would probably be a little sad that someone with similar interests to his died, but not completely distraught. i think because of all that, he would try to slowly comfort kazuichi, because as i said, in chapter two, he wanted to become closer to kazuichi :D
Aeris writing in an actual textbook like a deviant
I’m still upsetti spaghetti that Ibuki died. Best girl, never changing it.
Mikan's execution was trash. I said what I said.
Where’s the lie
It's true
In my opinion, I would say let Ibuki live, but start making her more dour and depressed, less quick on the draw, as an example of the Despair starting to set in. Where later she starts trying to act the same, but gets progressively quieter and slower. Any excuse for Ibuki not to die. ;-;
I'd say let ibuki survive instead of akane
I disagree, the second trial didn’t need to be a Double Murder. People say Ibuki would mess with the tone, but, THE TONE WAS DUMB REGARDLESS! They let Yasuhiro and Genocide Jill survive, who the fuck cares about the tone?!
@@MotorcycleCheetah you know what, You're right
@@MotorcycleCheetah well yasuhiro was ironically very important for foreshadowing the twist of trial 4 and figuring out red herrings, while jill sirved a narrative purpose of being able to remember past memories tohko didn't have acces to
You know, when worded like that, that makes sense.
I've always been more partial to where there didnt have to be a double kill here, but I understand the reason to keep it. I still say that Sonia being the mastermind rather than Junko would have been a better use of the story for her for how much it would fit her character, but this is a fun alternate to also get Hiyoko to the finish line.
Also, my main thing about the weapon is not that it is never named or shown, but more that it is never mentioned. We have to go over obvious deaths like the baseball bat to prove that is the murder weapon, but not even a mention is a bit annoying if inconsistent.
In all honesty I am a Sonia fan and even I thought she was gonna be the mastermind. I was trying to use logic to guess who was behind it. Her princess status meant she was rich and powerful so I thought her kingdom owned the island they were on. Sadly I was wrong since it was Junko but she would have been a great mastermind. It would make her obsession with serial killers even funnier honestly. Lol.
@@TimNewmanGaming Yeah, as she had the motive with the obsession with killers and Japan, so she would be in love with Junko. There is also the foreshadowing from Twogami at the start where he says that either the Togami Corporation (can't because they are dead), the Kuzuryu Clan (had it's own story arc), or Sonia's Kingdom (which is just a redherring?) could be behind it because of their influence and power. There is also the parts of her not being a major part of any trial besides sending Hiyoko to her death, the current story was perfectly lined up for it all.
@@griefingg0lem685 That's right!! I completely forgot Twogami said that. I feel like it's a good clue but not obvious and him being killed first would make his death better since the 1st death always has some value. Just like my favorite Rantaro dying in V3 cause he knew too much. I still mad about him dying first. Wish he was the main instead of Shuichi. Mainly cause he can remember near the end that he was in a previous killing game and trying to learn about the missing memories of it. That would've been crazy cause him and Tsumugi rivalry would have been insane!
You didn't really touch on this, but, as a sonia fan, I think your proposal for sonia being a second victim could expand more on her character and the impact her death would have on the rest of the cast too. After twogami establishes himself as leader in ch.1, sonia has a scene where she says shes not really interested in leading. However after twogamis death we do see her trying to bring the class together, both with the beach party and helping hiyoko with her kimono. If the writers put in some more scenes like that with sonia they could have easily established her as the leader figure that encouraged everyone to get along after twogami died, which is fitting considering her talent. If sonia died in chapter 3, the only other character whos a good leader would be nekomaru probably, and during the ch.3 trial everyone would probably panic a little since they have no leader figure in their investigation. (They could have had chiaki give a shounen protag speech about finding the truth even though their unofficial leader is gone and give her more character development at least.) Then after nekomaru dies in chapter 4 the class might be more split as they have no leader figure left, which could give everyone else a chance to start being more serious. (Especially chiaki-she kind of took on a directory role in ch. 5 but with sonia right there being all DONT WORRY EVERYONE STAY CALM ABOUT THE BOMBS the effect was kind of lost) It could give sonia a more prominent role in the story and also reduce some of the goofing off in the later chapters as everyone learns to take things seriously since some of their joking around in the later trials were kind of tonally dissonant
aires writing on how sonia nevermind is the most painfully medicore dr2 character
nice prediction
@@Melecie i am now the ultimate clarivoyant
@@yehahauuyyyehehahaa Hagakure is sweating there
@@padminianandan149 what if i am hagakure?
@@yehahauuyyyehehahaa Or...you're Tsumugi cosplaying as Hagakure
Aeris in the thumbnail writing how to win an argument and kill kokichi
and sonia
Kokichi is great, wtf
Slavoid ꙮ ꙮ ꙮ aeris hates him sit down
@@axelotl5004 any objective reasons?
How would I know? I’m not aeris, an opinion is an opinion, when I asked their in one of their streams of what their least favourite character was she said it was kokichi, and they said “I CANT FUCKING STAND KOKICHI.”
i like how half of the comments are thinking on what aeris is writing on the book
We were ROBBED of the potential fuyuhiko/hiyoko friendship dynamic
YESS UGH
I love this development for Hiyoko, but especially for Soda. If Sonia had died the things he did would have been much better. When he made the Mini Nekomaru for Akane it warmed my heart, but it just ruined it having him make it for her to impress Sonia. I love this rewrite and I throughly enjoyed the video!
Me with my "Sonia should've died and hyioko survived" shirt the entire video:* sips coffee epically *
I've never thought of a way to improve this chapter so I find this really interesting.
Also since Gundham and Souda are my favorite characters in SDR2 I think that a little bit of extra development would add a lo to their characters and their romantic rivalry.
Honestly, I could understand hyoko being murdered, espically seeing how ruthlessly she bullied Mikan, But if the writers really wanted to follow this route, it would make sence to not have Ibuki die (yet atleast) because it takes away from how emotionally jarring it could have potentially been.
Aeris writing on why Korekiyo is a magnificent human being that deserves the world and more
korekiyo is the weirdest way of spelling kirumi i've ever seen
@@DetectiveNyx Yeah, stupid autocorrect smh
@@DetectiveNyx Don't forget Ryoma
@@DetectiveNyx gasp...you are *INCORRECT*
Do we have the same Korekiyo?!
Was mine just busted?
Sonia is a gate keeper and inside the gate there's character development , she doesn't let in Kazuichi , Hiyoko and Gundham in. That's how I like to imagine lt.
I think Hiyoko would feel guilty if Sonia died and her character development would be faster
She'd try to become friends with Souda or Gundam because of the thing between them
And then she'd be even more upset when ghundam dies so more development
See ? Everything gets along
Ok- this has nothing to do with the video although it is amazing great job Aeris-
Fuyuhiko looks like a tennis ball. Like, objectively. He even has those two stripes. Meanwhile, Ryoma, the ultimate tennis player, killed a mafia with his tennis skills. Fuyuhiko is the Ultimate Yakuza, essentially the Japanese mafia. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.
as a fuyuhiko kinnie this comment disturbs me
@@DetectiveNyx good
The Gundam and Souda fix really reminds me of the Taka and Mondo bond.
They first hated each other, then they became best friends and as it turns out, one of them is a killer.
Me, a Soda stan before your partner goes off: this would be good
Me, a Soda stan after your partner goes off: THIS WOULD HAVE MADE THE GAME SO MUCH BETTER, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST, I AM SO ANGRY SODA DIDNT GET THAT DEVELOPMENT
KAZUICHI STANS RISE, SONIA SHOULD HAVE DIED SO HE COULS STOP SIMPING AND TAKE CARE OF SOME HAMSTERS
OMG yesssss
@@chaesbestfriend608 YOU SUMMONED ME? I honestly love him as a simp, but I feel he could be even more lovable if he didn't do EveRYTHING for Miss Sonia.
Honestly tho the second games like most hated on characters who are Kazuichi, Mikan, and Akane who all grew up either poor and were all abused
Edit: the reason I included Mikan but not Hiyoko was, everybody mentions the reason she was mean and cold to everybody whereas the 3 people I mentioned like 99% of the fanbase hates them, also they are the characters where they get reduced down to Pervert Stalker Guy (Kazuichi), Fanservice Nurse (Mikan), and boobies food hungry gymnast girl (Akane) nobody cares to look into their backstories or to do the free time events with them, (when I played I did almost all of mine with Akane, and I actually FINISHED Hiyokos, and I honestly think that Hiyoko dosent get as much hate as people would think compared to characters like Mikan, Kazuichi, Akane, and hell Even Mahiru and Peko.
and Saionji who was nearly killed in her everyday life
Wdym mikan is literally loved, if someone in the game is hated, it would be hiyoko
I disagree on the Mikan part, I actually find her overrated. But yeah, Kazuichi and Akane don't deserve all the hate they get.
Mikan is either loved or hated
@@fluffsynthesis Mikan and Saionji are both hated a lot. Mikan is both overhated AND overrated. I love Mikan, but a lot of people tend to get her character wrong and think she's only cute because she killed Saionji and other reasons. They're both good people and were it not for Junko I think both of them could've come to an understanding
Aeris writing on how to destroy Junko stans
sadly there is one junko stan i can never destroy
@@DetectiveNyx the junko stans were the friends we made along the way...?
@@tildecorrera7697 the junko stans were actually just the cast of Thomas the Tank Engine
@@geekylesbian7440 i feel like i've made a terrible mistake by writing this comment...
@@tildecorrera7697 the junko stan is my boyfriend
Is it bad that I actually wanted hiyoko to survive because I found her funny honestly?
I actually felt that way about Hiyoko just as well, thank god I’m not the only one lol. I hope people don’t hate me for this.
Aeris is drawing akane on their notebook because akane is an amazing character and aeris has good tastes
Aeris writing on how they are so happy for Sonia being dead at 3AM.
nice prediction
well yes but no
Me: *sees Kazuichi* “He’s going to be my favorite character.”
Me: *finds out he’s a simp* “I don’t wanna play with you anymore...”
Is the I don’t wanna play with you anymore a Steven universe reference 🤭
Regina George
I’m pretty sure it’s a Toy Story 2 reference.
@@LordZula correct!
Bro I love kazuichi
@@uglyugly8986 same, when I found out he was a simp I was just like "same😔✌️" time to start simping for the simp-
How to make the trial better
Step 1: Don’t kill Ibuki
Step 2: Roll Credits
I love Saijoni to be honest. I love a lot of hated characters and with my most favorite character being Monaca. I actually like this video It makes sense and I didn't really grow a fondness for Sonia and Ibuki so I would truly not care.
Sonia Nevermind ...you dislike yourself?
I feel with you, I like most characters That people always hate I love Junko, and Monaca
If i'm being honest, i believe Sonia should've been the blackened in chapter 4. Maybe she realized what was Gundam's plan, and she took matters into her own hands.
AAAA YESSSS I LOVE THIS
Yas, the despair that gundham and kazuichi feel
It would also be more interesting
@@kokomhie1809 And that could even create some sort of mutal respect between the two, and *actually giving soda something to fucking do other than simp and be a creep towards Sonia*
Ok but imagine hajime being the culprit of chapter 5. It kinda makes sense if you think about it. Hajime throws the poison bottle and dies. Chiaki gets to live and show the others that there is hope for our future. Everyone loves Chiaki and would take her side no matter what, while they never seemed to feel the same about hajime. But also imagine the plot twist! You've played as this character for so long and then BOOM they're the killer! They would have the same execution as Chiaki and you wouldn't understand why until you watch the anime and see that hajime and Chiaki bonded over video games, leaving you with more dispair! I know everyone thinks that chapter 5 of danganronpa 2 is the best trial ever but I feel like this might be a good idea!
but it wouldn't make sense because without hajime who's basically izuru he wouldn't have woken up the dead classmates so i say it would've botched cannon too much
yeah but what about izuru kamakura and hajime being the actual master mind?
i think thats a best plot twist and makes the chiaki death even more painfull.
but chiaki even death help hinata and the others with hope.
Sorry for my bad english...
@@kylesky74 didn't the future foundation wake up the dead classmates? I might just be really stupid but the virtual world was set up my the future foundation so wouldn't they wake the dead classmates up?
also i love hinata
@@tinyperson4864 nah from what danganronpa 3 the anime implies that izuru basically woke everyone up i think danganronpa 2.5 shows how he did it to
3 days why why *cries* my impatient ass will never survive
I just dont like how in the second game 3 of the 5 survivors had somebody sacrifice themselves to save them
Peko- Fuyuhiko
Nekomaru- Akane
Gundham- Sonia
Then Hajime is the protag so he'd obviously survive
Then just Kazuichi, like in the first game I'd say only 1 of the deaths was a sacrifice and it was Sakuras and it was mainly Towards Hina I'd say but affected everybody
yeah i have always found that wierd with the survivors of the second game because of the running theme of keeping a persons legacy in their memory and the souda is just there
Tell Kaede that next time I think she needs to hear that 😂😂
Well, Sayaka’s death really did hit makoto pretty hard so that’s another one
In V3 literally every survivor fits this description
Hagakure, Kazuichi, Tsumugi
i actually thought when i played the game that Sonia was gonna be one of the blackened
14:20 “Dressed like a depressed Banana”. lmao
I always thought Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko would have a really interesting dynamic that could’ve been explored more! I’m really glad someone talked about it!
Step 1: dont kill ibuki
Aeris writing writing a prayer to our lord ands savior Ibuki Mioda.
Ameennnnn~
Imagine if during trial 6 when Hiyoko's appearance is used as proof of stuff that they change her sprite to her actual look.
I've actually thought about this a while ago and you LITERALLY took the words right out of my mouth! I agree with everything you said and as a hiyoko stan this would've made me REALLY happy!
I ADORED this video and I honestly love the idea of Hiyoko surviving and a friendship between her and Fuyu! Good job with this video Aeris! Your videos are amazing and make me appreciate a lot of characters more!!
oh and the "the little shit" in that list of characters made me laugh
Best part of Hiyoko surviving is that she'd call Junko a trashy bitch
Finished the video and I’m legitimately devastated that this didn’t happen in the actual game like?
One of the biggest pro-Sonia survivors here
Sonia dying could legit be a great case because, well, SHE’S A PRINCESS. SHE HAS AN ENTIRE NATION ON HER SHOULDERS. Her death would affect not just our survivors, but an entire kingdom. Plus, her little thing about being glad she’s equal and that she hopes to be friends with everyone when you first meet her would just be painful looking back
even though i don't agree with a lot of this video anymore, what you just described as a devastation would've been really cool to see
I’m pretty sure Kazuichi wasn’t actually abused by his father. WeebyNewz explains this further in her analysis of Kazuichi, but basically, it was more of a figurative “beating up”; he wasn’t actually physically hurt by his parents (and if he was, it wasn’t constant- it most likely only happened once or twice during Kazuichi’s childhood).
Amazing video otherwise though, and I completely agree :)
I mean even if it happened once or twice. It still is abuse. Nor does it take away from the fact that this happened and could still cause trauma
Abuse:treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
Key word especially. Not solely
And even if it doesn’t actually count as abuse. It is still wrong and can still be traumatic
And abuse isn’t always physical. It can be verbal or emotional. That figurative beating up if resulted in insults and degrading for example, and what beating up figuratively usually is, is still very much abuse.
And even if not constant, it still can have horrible effects on someone’s psyche and should not be excused. Perhaps you aren’t excusing it but it interprets that way to me.
Not knowing what the murder weapon for Hiyoko was isn't the problem exactly, it's the fact that it was never brought up in the class trial at all. Heck, if they had brought it up, they might've deduced that it was Mikan even quicker since there was nothing at the crime scene that would be able to slit Hiyoko's throat and Mikan would be the only one who's profession/ultimate requires a sharp object (besides maybe Fuyukiko i guess?)
But yeah not discovering an answer is fine, but not asking in the first place is not fine for a class trial
honestly? i think it's more realistic than the class being able to remember absolutely every detail, and with the trick mikan set up, that was probably what everyone wanted to solve. if it was crucial evidence, it could've caused her to go free - but that's kind of what culprits are trying to do?
Yo Aeris... Me and my friend had this EXACT SAME CONVERSATION. Almost EXACTLY. About Peko and Mahiru's sacrifice-- To Kazuichi and Gundham's post-Sonia death arc together. The complete unification of all the Survivors being people who've lost things. EVERYONE in the whole game would have this impressive arc and share losing another.
I lost my shit on "were probably on a minecraft server together at that point", now my headcanon that after every sdr2 character dies they join the big minecraft server in the sky 💖
Everyone who died in danganronpa is happily playing in the Aether
I can only imagine that everyone’s always yelling over something stupid and Mondo, Fuyuhiko, and Miu keep getting kicked out for cussing out the other characters.
edit: Nagito and Kokichi keep griefing the map and getting kicked from the server.
@@francisthegreat2517 Miu pulls an okuyasu and comes back to life because she was kicked out of the Christian minecraft server
@@rockhistoria2537 if only she could do that in chapter 4 of V3 :(
This will be interesting!! I've always thought that this chapter could have been improved in many ways.. Can't wait to see your opinion!!!
I feel if both were survive, what could happen is a combination of the two ideas you had in section 3. Maybe they have a falling out and Fuyuhiko almost kills Hiyoko, but then she is able to come to her senses and apologize, and fuyuhiko would be able to accept her apology, and then they grow into a mutual “frenemies” dynamic. Also I feel fuyuhiko’s development would be more focused on opening up just to put difference in Hiyoko’s development. Great video
18:39 Kiyo stan about to slam my face against to keyboard say:
PLEASE STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS HE’S SO MUCH BETTER AS AN ABSOLUTE MONSTER OF A CHARACTER!
Also really fuckin good video. I fell off of DR for a while so I haven’t watched much of your content recently, and I’m planning on rectifying that now that I’ve watched this.
Huh, this channel just made me realize that Sonia didn’t really have plot relevance. I still like her character, but I can see what they mean
I’m glad I’m not alone in this idea, because a lot of this was definitely something that crossed my mind before.
Can't wait. Pity it's a 1am time for people who don't have insomnia. But for me, let's just say it's a different story.
Fun Chpater 3 Fact:
Celestia is the only killer to have actually made a plan on killing both of her Victims, while Korekyio and Mikan only planned on killing one person (Ibuki, and whoever went into do the ritual, also 1 of Kork and Mikans victims are both voiced by Julie Ann Taylor, its Ibuki and Tenko)
Personally I don't think both Kuzuryuu and Saionji should have lived. Their arcs were too similar, and it would have been redundant. And Kuzuryuu had an awesome arc with more potential than Saionji, so I'm happy with how things went. However, if Saionji lived I think Kuzuryuu should have died with Pekoyama in chapter 2 instead of being magically healed by Monokuma. That would have made chapter 2 even more impactful.
The second victim could have been Sonia, if there really was a need for a second victim.
Personally what I disliked the most about chapter 3 is that the motive was the cheapest in the series and that Mioda's death was the most unfair one (I'm not a fan of Mioda, but I didn't like how Monokuma rigged the game so Mioda couldn't possibly survive without her representing a threat to her plan). Also, that Mikan seemed to have teleported during her murder.
By the way, I don't think the murder weapons is neccesarily a scalpel. Tsumiki was a nurse, not a surgeon, so she had no reason to carry a scalpel around.
I real wish MIKAN didn’t die either cause lots of people see her as a fan service charachter. Or see her as crazy as they don’t realize why she went crazy when remembering.
I think Sonia should have got the diease and kill hiyoko. She usually like dreaming about things with there despair disease it would make her take initiative and be like the serial killers she likes so much. Her death could have impacted gundham and kazuichi.
@@frenchfries2998 I don't think Tanaka would have been very impacted. People usually exaggerate his relationship with Sonia, but they didn't interact that much in the game. And considering his personality, he would have hidden it anyway.
Sonia being a murder victim would fit her since she is so obsessed with murderers. But wanting to become one would still be a better motive than becoming evil just because Monokuma said so.
The disease is still a horrible motive.
@Ave I agree. Kuzuryuu had an overnight arc, which bored me very quickly. I was very interested in Hiyoko though, but that got cut off.
@@frenchfries2998 I would’ve loved to see Sonia’s scrapped execution. But at the same time I don’t really see her killing Hiyoko just out of nowhere
Me: *reads comments*
Also me: *realizes Im the only one who likes Sonia here* ):
i can safely say you are not the only one
@@DetectiveNyx lol yeah. But your idea for Sonia dying and Kazuichi getting character development was actually very interesting and I never even thought of that
I used to like Sonia but...she got a little bit boring to me
Sonia is an okay character and I kinda like her, its just that it kinda feels like they gave her little to no personality exept :
- serial killers are cool
- I am the ultimate pricess but also live in wherethefcuk and my country's got waky traditions (? Sorry icant remember the word, like when she tells hajime in her country you should be like 20 min early or smt)
Also : sezs joke×2 and occasional heavy swearing
My rewrite is based on an idea brought up in V3’s chapter 3; a double murder where the killers are different.
Mikan would still kill Ibuki, but when she tries to kill Hyoko, Fuyo would kill Mikan (his motive was to protect Hyoko and repay his debt to her). During the trial, Hyoko would try to defend Fuyo and he would still be declared the blackened (before his execution, he would tell Hyoko not to be afraid to reach out, even though she couldn’t protect him during the trial).
This does two things: Fuyo’s desire to protect someone he values is satisfied and Hyoko finally starts opening up to the others.
That. Is. Perfect!!!
I have an idea for this idea!
Since it’s brought up that killing off Fuyuhiko would devalue Peko’s sacrifice, maybe Mikan would attempt to murder Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko comes to protect her. With that, they go to alarm the others and the whole class trial is trying to figure out how Ibuki was murdered and if Mikan killed her or if Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko did. Maybe Fuyuhiko’s willingness to protect her would be a way for her to see that trusting the others isn’t a bad idea. And maybe Sonia could provide a testament that she saw Hiyoko trying to put on her kimono, and that there was no way that she could’ve killed Ibuki that fast with a untied Kimono. Anyway sorry for that ramble, I just wanted to add some ideas
I’m going to write my version of the trial in the comments in a while because I disagree with a lot even if I do adore this video.
Hi Lexi from like seventy years later I finished it lol
So this probably won’t be seen I mean it’s been two months but I’d like to share my opinion as a Sonia fan. I honestly believe that Hiyoko dying was smart it shows how tragic the killing game could be I mean think about it death isn’t death without loss I think Sonia dying for Kazuichi isn’t the best idea mostly because it would be fridging which doesn’t sound great but I’d like to give an alternative if we want Hiyoko to survive how about this Kazuichi dies this would help both Hiyoko and Sonia, Sonia for obvious reasons and Hiyoko because Kazuichi was her second biggest target it could make her feel guilt for her actions Sonia living from this would also leave chapter four to be more interesting since it could give Gundam and Sonia more interactions let’s say Sonia is grieving over Souda Gundam more or less tries comforting her over the chapter and she feels better now we know what happens in chapter four so let’s go to the trial Sonia struggles to clear gundams name until she cannot anymore and then he dies I think if they really want to hint at a relationship they should just go ahead and make it happen, let’s say Gundam is found guilty and leaves Sonia crying he gives her his hamsters and tells her to continue living for him and there we go in chapter five we can have her trying very hard to cope with everything that’s happened and in chapter five she breaks down over Chiaki like she did I think this would give her the development she needs and yeah this is too long so if someone read this thanks dude
I completely agree with you. Sonia would’ve made the most logical second victim in this case. Keep in mind, Sonia is kind of my comfort character for me and I still 100% agree with your points about her and I definitely feel the same. Also, a Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko friendship sounds lovely and I stan.
Amazing video, I’m sad I haven’t watched this sooner. Keep up the great work.
*”THE LITTLE SHIT”*
This is actually SO GOOD, absolutely wish this would’ve happen
Honestly I’d have just loved to see how Hiyoko would act during and after the third trial, seeing how she would react about Mikan being a killer.
I actually am someone who also thinks Sonia should have died, because she’s kinda boring. Everyone else actually had something very different about them, and I do hate Hiyoko because of how mean she was, but I felt like she could have gotten better with more character development, but she died too early to get any.
me and my friend wanna rewrite DR2, so as to neaten out all of the parts we don't like. this video served as the main catalyst from that idea bc oh my goodness it's so much better than what we actually got
In my opinion I think King Simp would've been the 2nd victim. But that's just my opinion and he also didn't have some character development?
Wow. You made me like Hiyoko.
ALso I'm happy that Im not the only one who thinks its weird sonia survived
I really wanted my lil banana girl to survive :(
I love this changes. Adding to Kazuichis development i think It would ve interesting to explore His obsession with Sonia , because for me his behaviour towards her was More of a coping mechanism than a real crush.
Actually, Hiyoko was never supposed to be the survivor. Her role was always meant to be the Taka of this game (a character whose best friend dies in Chapter 2, now she dies when she\s slowly changing). Someone likely created this headcanon to explain why her death was looked into in less detail (even though the same happened with Taka, with Hifumi's death being more focused on).
Likewise, the misconception that Fuyuhiko was supposed to die (apparently instead of Nekomaru, a misconception likely created due to having each other's beta designs) is a myth too. It's been spread by someone on a Korean wiki with no actual source.
Read about it here: popculturemyths.com/fuyuhiko-was-supposed-to-die-in-chapter-3/
a. i still think it's likely that this was the initial plan because while it's not a confirmed theory, it hasn't been outright disproven either, and the writing does support that hiyoko was meant to get further development while fuyuhiko was meant to die here. it's not like there's a character that just rushed through their development at chapter 3 and hung around the rest of the game like fuyuhiko did in dr1, so taka's death makes more sense as that devastating hit; because it was written to be a devastating hit. the writing being so rushed in solely this chapter also indicates it was rewritten in a hurry.
b. even though i was aware of this being an unconfirmed theory after publishing the snapshot, at the time of writing i was in deep depression and severely fearful of my safety and security, and was just desperate to finish the video so there was something to show through that timeframe, whether the theory presented was confirmed or not.
Hi, this is just a suggestion, but can you try improving chapter 3 of DR1 ? This is just my personal opinion, but I hated that chapter a lot. The motivation for Celeste to kill is very dull, the way they cut off Taka's character development in the middle of it, and Hifumi's motivation in general I just think its stupid, and since you talked about chapter 3 of V3 and DR2 I thought you might try giving DR1's a try. This is just my suggestion though since I don't see many people talking about it, over all nice video though
i tend to take ideas better from patrons rather than from everyone else; videos take a while to make so i prefer having an incentive
Spoiler
I wish that they brought up Mikan’s behavior at the end of her trial during the Chapter 6 trial. That could further state “This is what you ALL were like before, Mikan was a perfect example. You ALL were like her. She reverted back to being a Remnant of Despair blah blah blah, etc.”
Why do I agree with you so much tf
Edit:
- Hiyoko was my favorite in drv2 and didn't finish her arc
- I really hate Sonia and she gets on my nerves.
- It would give Kazuichi (my 5th favorite character of all time) to survive.
Thank you this video was amazing
But hiyoko and fuyuhiko would basically have the same devolpments. Really mean small people that no one takes seriously effected by a death in chapter 2 and starts being nicer.
I’m pretty sure that Fuyuhiko dying in chapter 3 is only a rumor, or at least doesn’t have any official evidence
there's no confirmation from Kodaka but given the writing surrounding him and Hiyoko it only makes sense, as does the rushed murder case
Sonia should have survived:
1) Chapter 4 would be worse bc sonia wouldnt fight for Gundam.
2) All of her best jokes are after chapter 3.
3) She was the only one left who is very friendly.
4) No one could take care of Gundam’s hamsters.
5) She is smart, weird, interesting and strong.
Like if you agree
are you seriously saying that none of the other students with a pulse could take care of the hamsters
@@DetectiveNyx gundam wouldnt trust them as much as his oh so dear sonia. Also: akane would eat them, chiaki dies, souda would never take care of his hamsters, hajime maybe. Also sonia is the only one that liked the dark stuff that gundam liked and they are four devas of destruction not random hamsters
Also wow you are a fast responder(thats probably because i said sonia should have survived)
I always felt that the sonia/gundham arc of chapter 4 shouldve happened in chapter 3, and Sonia shouldve died and been the killer.
In other words, Mikan kills Ibuki and attacks Sonia, being killed in self defense
Sonia couldn't possibly die that easily like she said "I do not intend to kill and I do not intend to be killed easily either" so I think if Sonia gets the mirror and she saw Mikan Killing/killed Ibuki then I think she would run away...Well its just an opinion and btw Sonia is one of my best girls :D
I love Sonia only causr after the 3rd trial, she is a one liner machine. I found myself laughing at a good chunk of what she said. She may be a trash character, but she is MY trash character. But your changes do make sense and I always love some good Fuyuhiko develupment.
10:58 hey Sayaka what are you doing on the box art you don’t belong there
19:25 Good impression of Hyoko.
Honestly here is how I would write the second game;
Chapter 1
Victim- Imposter
Killer- Teruteru
*this is probably the only killer and victim I'm keeping the same
Chapter 2
Victim- Mikan Tsumiki
Killer- Fuyuhiko Kuzuryuu
*Yeah I know I killed off Fuyuhiko, but I decided him to be the victim so Peko could learn to grow as a person but originally she would be depressed and feel as if his death was her fault
Chapter 3
(Here in brackets are the ppl who are affected by the despair disease)
(Nagito Komaeda, Peko Pekoyama, Sonia Nevermind, and Hiyoko Saionji)
*Kazuichi and Hajime decide to take care of the people affected by the despair disease whilst (Nekomaru, Akane, Gundham, Ibuki, Mahiru, and Chiaki stay in the motel)
Victims- Sonia Nevermind and Nekomaru Nidai
Killer- Kazuichi
*ok so Kazuichi didnt actually kill Sonia, nekomaru did as he accidentally came in contact with the disease but just was asymptomatic and eventually he killed Sonia, but Kazuichi saw and then shut him down this killing him (Yes the Akane exectuion thing happened and yes Nekomaru became a robot except that would happen in chapter 2)
Chapter 4
Victim- Ibuki
Killer- Gundham
*Like the last one this was like Gundham wanted to meet up with Ibuki but she got scared and ran into a pole and died from the impact of it, but Monokuma was like oooh no you killed her Gundham
Chapter 5
Victim- Nagito Komaeda
Killer- Chiaki Nanami
Survivors;
Hajime Hinata
Akane Owari
Hiyoko Saionji
Peko Pekoyama
Mahiru Koizumi
*edit yeah I am now realizing that they are all girls except for Hajime but idc
This would be small but I think fuyuhiko would end up having that talk he had with akane in the funhouse with hiyoko
so basically on this timeline we have mondo and taka .2
Well i think the ideia of Sonia getting killed its pretty interesting,since hiyoko was already in some kind of development with mahiru's death, but i think something different could have happened too.
Listen up okay??
Soooo sonia in her FTE events told us that she was kidnapped sometimes and i think her parents where worried about what could happen to her in the future, since you don't really know the real intentions of the kidnapper.
This is where my analisis and theory goes.
Sonia could have some training,before she entered hope's peak, because of the kidnapping and she learned how to defend herself against a kidnapper or anyone else that would be a treat to her. So one thing that could have happened and could make this trial even more creative and unique is this.
After hiyoko asks sonia to get the mirror in the typhoon,after she sees mikan killing ibuki in there,mikan attacks sonia but get surprised, because sonia has some training on self defense,so sonia take the weapon mikan was holding and for self defense she attacks and kills mikan.
It would be a fusion between dangaronpa happy havoc 1 and 3 class trial because she killed in self defense but mikan killed ibuki first and the whooole trial would be different because they would have to discover who killed who first,which would result the inspiration in v3 class trial 3 and would improve the whole trial too because the culprit killed but was also killed, instead of being mikan the ONLY killer she would have been also the victim and sonia would get executed. and the ark between soda and gundham would have changed and maybe in the end it would get to an end where the 2 of them survives and becomes best friends
I know it sounds crazy but i think it would have worked as well and in my opinion it would have improved the trial more ^^
Edit: keep in mind that the culprit was mikan,no one tells her to do that (like celestia cooperating with hifumi) she was the original culprit buuut sonia kills her and become the culprit in the end
I think the hate for Hiyoko's rudeness comes from her childish personality and appearance. When a kid is being rude, you expect them to be told off. They're being "immature" and don't deserve the same respect as adults (even though neither hiyoko nor ruruka are children)
Comparing this to characters like Junko and Miu, there's a level of awe that comes from watching somebody so grown up (especially these too as they mention their sexuality so much) act so childish and immature. It's like watching a classmate talk back to a teacher; it's dangerous and shocking but you find some respect in it
Similarly with Byakuya and perhaps kokichi, despite them being frequent douches, they hold a level of authority over others in their mean actions because they call others out (albeit rather rudely)
Anyways, I hope that my rambling made sense! I want to know if people agree or not aha
Does Junko ever really mention her sexuality? I know she makes lewd remarks from time to time but does she confirm it