@@ricktrue8441 it's not horrible, its unnoticeable to me because i listen to music and this car has the best sound system on the planet. There's literally speakers above your head. Also, comfort mode feels like a Lexus IS and is quiet af. Which is great. Sport + sounds like a screaming Japanese monster and wants to rip your head off when you're taking turns, good luck getting it to understeer, it won't unless you're going 70+ mph. Every fl5 owner is either a kid or adult who purchased the wrong car and is now clinging to the excuse " i like the type R seats". But they feel very insecure when they hear the exhaust of the DE5 because they realize they bought the wrong car. Just my insight, I've owned mine 6 months. My only complaint is the parking sensors(another awesome thing that's non existent on the boy racer civic) don't sense curbs in the front. With 4 inches of ground clearance, a curb can take out your bumper.
5'7" and 140 lb is far from being on the limit for the CTR seats. That's absurd. I'm 6'1" and 210 lb with shoulders and absolutely love the FL5 seats, as do all of my larger friends. For a sport seat, Honda did a brilliant job of shaping them to fit a wide range of humans. The Mk3 Focus RS seats and Porsche carbon buckets are what I would consider on the tight side, for some context.
Things you get with the integra -Rain Sensing wipers -Longer Warranty -Wider Powerband (Check Savagegeese review includes dyno of both cars) -Cooler Exhaust Note -Leatherette Interior -HUD -Sunglass holder -Door Sill Plates -Wheels with TPMS -Radar Sensors in the bumpers -Sound Deadening -Aggressive body kit -Premium Sound System -Powered Driver Seat with plenty of adjustments -Heated Front Seats -Easier to jack up from the rear, no need to remove anything -Pearl Color Palette on the exterior
I traded in my CW FL5 for an Integra Type S partly because of a problem that's also evident in this video: The hatch of the Champ White Type R is unacceptably more yellow in colour than the rest of the rear. Really preferring my Type S as a daily street car, with the added benefit of its exhaust personality. The Type R's seats and +R gauge would give it the advantage on the track though. For those who are older and/or don't live on a racetrack, the Type S is likely the better car.
The bumpers and hatch are of a slightly different color because they are not made of metal. All colors you can notice difference. Maybe only the black , you don’t. Plastics have a different color adherence than metal. That’s why
@@noirrain6005 Yup I understand why the problem is exacerbated by the different materials/surfaces. Still bothers me to look at that much of a difference between the hatch and adjacent panels.
@@veedee4860 I was high 🤣🤣 Supra has the JBL while ITS has the ELS, not the same. But yeah I was abit disapointed by the JBL in the Supra. Its not bad by any mean, just not as good as the Bose in my Type-R.
I picked the FL5 for the seat, styling, heritage name, red interior, championship white paint, and exterior styling. I saw my first ITS on the road and mistaken the front as a TLX until i saw the rear, I'm personally not a fan
I couldn’t disagree more about the seats. 5’7, 140 is on the limit? I’m 6’, around 180 and have ZERO issues with the seat. I don’t understand how people complain about getting in and out.
Integra Type S is the more comfy, classy, daily driver. The Type R is the more special/desirable car. More of a race car meant to mod. Will also be worth more in the long run in my opinion
I went with the CW Type R. Looked at both beforehand but the CTR is the one to get. ITS has more premium materials, great sound system, better exhaust, and great styling. However, the FL5 just feels more special. The seats are far better and add to the experience, I actually like the stiffer suspension and log R data, and the interior and exterior styling is more timeless and appealing. Adding the heritage color and more track focused feel and it was the clear choice to me. Much more of a unicorn to find too. It took a year to get a dealership to agree to a CW CTR with no markup, but my local dealers have many ITS at the higher MSRP. Type R will likely hold value better as well. In the end they are both a pair of awesome twins and anyone would be lucky to have either.
Good point on the CTR having more prestige and likely holding its value better in the future. Very surprised you were able to get one at MSRP, but it sounds like you had to work for that, ha!
Got mine at msrp too. Two months ago. Went to next state. Said I don’t do ADM. He said will you buy it now without today? Yes. No adders? He said just tax and plates. It’s in my garage. It was easy.
Championship white. ADM swap from the S. Rides great. Faster over a bumpy track. Street it’s light years better. Make your own S for $8K less with way better seats.
Borh cars are great, no doubt. However, price is not a factor, as someone mentioned in the comments. If you've been looking to purchase, you already know that you can get the Type S for MSRP or less, while the Type R is still selling at over MSRP (lucky you if you can get one at MSRP). If you want the burbles like the Type S in the Type R, you don't have to buy a $2000 exhaust; instead buy a Hondata Flaspro and unlock the ECU. You can add the burbles like the Type S or you have two more options for more aggressive burbles. You'll also get more power and can eliminate rev hang (both cars have serious rev hang) amongst other features that you cam enable. Lastly, the seats are way better in the Type R and it is made in Japan, which may be why the fit/finish is slightly better. Again, both are great and you would be happy with either.
Markups and availability have a huge influence on this comparison, you're right. But due to differences depending on the local market it's more fair for us to compare MSRP to MSRP 👍🏼
You can get an R for less than or equal to MSRP too these days. In terms of quality both cars are made by the same robots on the assembly line. I’ve seen Rs at car meets with some misaligned body panels and gaps just like I’ve seen in Type S models
I've had my fl5 a year now comfort mode is fine but I did go up a tire size from 30 to 35 that helped alot the electronic engine sound does not bother me none what so ever it actually helps the car is way too quiet without it to me the fl5's natural width looks cleaner and smoother than the TYPE-S not saying the integra looks bad but more like an after thought with the fender flares that being said I think the FL5 will age alot better and will be easier on the eye after the newness wares off both cars are worth getting I chose the one that was available because trying to find one to buy at a decent price will turn into a Easter egg hunt good luck lol
Drove both. Type R feels like you’re driving something special and has a sense of occasion. Type S feels like a normal car. Likely due to the R red carpets, R seats, s2000 like gauge cluster with shift lights, assembled in Japan, and the R’s history.
MSRP difference after tax on is closer to $10,000 The exhaust, damper module and heads up display are the only things about the type S that I like better. If Acura didn't bolt on the wide body effects and had a better front end design, I might be swayed over to the type S (if they both cost the same).
@@davelospinoso9022 I have a photo of a type S window sticker, total price at $53,595 My type R window sticker was $45,890 (in black)... so no up-charge). Add the extra sales tax to the Type S higher price and we're at 9K and change between the cars. Totally not worth it.
@@davelospinoso9022 * edit * So I re-read your response. You got a great deal! I was speaking of list price car for car. Possibly Acura dealers are more willing to sell for under MSRP which is great for the buyer. Honda of course is selling for over MSRP in many places, but luckily I got mine for MSRP. Enjoy your car, they are all engineered to be amazing vehicles!
The Type R is for the younger crowd ... kinda riced out with that big a$$ wing. The Type S is just more sophisticated, mature, and sexy! You pull up in the Honda and they just think its a souped up Civic 🤷🏿♂️ but when i pull up with the "Ack" it turns everyone heads and most importantly the ladies 🤣🤙🏿💪🏿🤷🏿♂️ not only that.... its just better all the way around! I love my Teggy
@kobi2002 My "Point" is exactly what I wrote in my post, also.. most young people do not have money like that to buy a car am I right? So the CTR would be a better option as compared to the DE5 which is even more expensive especially during this inflationary economy we are in... Is that a better point for you Lil fella? Lol
The cheap leather on the interior is what kills the Type S for me. Acura should have upped the price a little to 60-65K and made a 400hp AWD or RWD Integra Type R coupe with a premium interior.
At 1st when both cars came out I really loved the fl5. Because I love discretion more the only mod I'd do to the fl5 is the suspension mod to make it more softer because I'm not a track person and somehow find a way of getting a rear wing delete. That was then... Now the Integra Type S has really grown on me and I'm really loving it. Only 2 things I wished the car had was a lower load height for the trunk/boot and a sunroof. Other that that the type s is one bad ass car for me now
Both are awesome and great for someone cross shopping. However, most reviewers compare vehicles to get likes to make money and not give unbiased reviews. Honda is an international manufacturer and some products are only for North America like Ridgeline, pilot, passport, ODYSSEY, Accord, and of course Acura products. America labour cost make American made Honda products very expensive with less quality in some areas. Type R is Japanese made for Asian and European countries and Australia and so follow international standards for sounds and emissions. Type S Integra is Made for America by Americans and so less restrictions but very expensive. Another thing reviewers fail to mention is Acura is a premium Honda meaning more than but not a luxury brand often compared to like Mercedes or BMW just like those are not compared to Bentley or rolls Royce.
That was my dream build but the DE5/FL5 comes boosted too, 315hp+, stronger trans, wider body, bigger brakes, huge tires, adaptive suspension, stiff chassis, etc. Everything I ever dreamed to have on my 8th but with warranty.
@@GCCarsCA So there is considerable road noise if they tried to make the Integra quieter, My daughter had a TSX and I hated that car. It was such a hollow sounding tin can.
No, depends weather or not you plan on tracking it or not. If you want a daily buy the Type S; if you plan on tracking it buy the Type R. They have different use cases. Money is the not the reason
Sometimes it brand. I mean globally Acura brand might not be as well known. I feel when I hear a civic type r sound a lot better then integra type s. Maybe if was integra type r would be different.
When you're launching the car to achieve maximum acceleration you can't wait for the revs to drop. Trust me, both of these cars can handle it totally fine.
You still doing it over a year now, that's all you have to say in each video of any type R ever on the net....please for the love of humanity get over it....please I have said before enjoy your Hyundai and stop trolling on these honda reviews.
@GCCarsCA The integra basically takes the SI sedan and gives it a liftback while the Civic continues to use the hatchback variant for the type r. Both the Civic Sedan(184) and Integra(186) are longer than the type r(181). Styling just makes both cars look similar.
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You've now heard our opinion, but what is yours? Would you choose the Integra Type-S or the Civic Type-R, and why? 🤔
Type S. Because I'm an adult
How's the road and tire noise in the Integra?
@@ricktrue8441 it's not horrible, its unnoticeable to me because i listen to music and this car has the best sound system on the planet. There's literally speakers above your head.
Also, comfort mode feels like a Lexus IS and is quiet af. Which is great. Sport + sounds like a screaming Japanese monster and wants to rip your head off when you're taking turns, good luck getting it to understeer, it won't unless you're going 70+ mph.
Every fl5 owner is either a kid or adult who purchased the wrong car and is now clinging to the excuse " i like the type R seats". But they feel very insecure when they hear the exhaust of the DE5 because they realize they bought the wrong car.
Just my insight, I've owned mine 6 months. My only complaint is the parking sensors(another awesome thing that's non existent on the boy racer civic) don't sense curbs in the front. With 4 inches of ground clearance, a curb can take out your bumper.
@@davelospinoso9022 Type R because it's the better looking car and as quick for almost $10K cheaper.
@@davelospinoso9022 type R not only because I’m an adult but because I’m also a man
You guys forgot the sound system. Integra has a substantially better sound system.
5'7" and 140 lb is far from being on the limit for the CTR seats. That's absurd. I'm 6'1" and 210 lb with shoulders and absolutely love the FL5 seats, as do all of my larger friends. For a sport seat, Honda did a brilliant job of shaping them to fit a wide range of humans. The Mk3 Focus RS seats and Porsche carbon buckets are what I would consider on the tight side, for some context.
@RaceCarFriends is 6’6” and loves his FL5
Things you get with the integra
-Rain Sensing wipers
-Longer Warranty
-Wider Powerband (Check Savagegeese review includes dyno of both cars)
-Cooler Exhaust Note
-Leatherette Interior
-HUD
-Sunglass holder
-Door Sill Plates -Wheels with TPMS
-Radar Sensors in the bumpers
-Sound Deadening
-Aggressive body kit
-Premium Sound System
-Powered Driver Seat with plenty of adjustments
-Heated Front Seats
-Easier to jack up from the rear, no need to remove anything
-Pearl Color Palette on the exterior
Thanks for putting all the feature differences in a list! 🤝
Doesn't have a plaque on the side " made in Japan" tho😂
Your engine is not made in Japan and the parts.
Assembled in Japan!
@@commonduck10 they still don’t get it 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡
@Marbind yassis you think your a brain surgeon? Of course everyone gets it...smart-ass
Type s for me it just look nicer
I traded in my CW FL5 for an Integra Type S partly because of a problem that's also evident in this video: The hatch of the Champ White Type R is unacceptably more yellow in colour than the rest of the rear. Really preferring my Type S as a daily street car, with the added benefit of its exhaust personality. The Type R's seats and +R gauge would give it the advantage on the track though. For those who are older and/or don't live on a racetrack, the Type S is likely the better car.
The bumpers and hatch are of a slightly different color because they are not made of metal. All colors you can notice difference. Maybe only the black , you don’t. Plastics have a different color adherence than metal. That’s why
@@noirrain6005 Yup I understand why the problem is exacerbated by the different materials/surfaces. Still bothers me to look at that much of a difference between the hatch and adjacent panels.
The radio sold me on my ITS.
Also the ITS has a superior audio system.
Savagegeese says otherwise
@@warwid5419 He’s the only one that’s said that. I had the FL5, and the ELS system in the ITS is much better than the Bose.
@@williamk1800 I just tried out a Supra for 2 days (JBL sound system in it) and still prefer my Bose type R system
@@warwid5419so the radio in the Supra is shit?
@@veedee4860 I was high 🤣🤣 Supra has the JBL while ITS has the ELS, not the same. But yeah I was abit disapointed by the JBL in the Supra. Its not bad by any mean, just not as good as the Bose in my Type-R.
I picked the FL5 for the seat, styling, heritage name, red interior, championship white paint, and exterior styling. I saw my first ITS on the road and mistaken the front as a TLX until i saw the rear, I'm personally not a fan
The Type-R definitely has the "coolness" factor over the Integra. People look at the Civic.
This all the way. The Integra Type S just doesn't work for me. The styling, Acura brand, and price tag are simply not for me.
Correct
I have the integra type s and 🥰
I couldn’t disagree more about the seats. 5’7, 140 is on the limit? I’m 6’, around 180 and have ZERO issues with the seat. I don’t understand how people complain about getting in and out.
I said the same thing.
Because he’s a midget. His legs can’t reach the floor. I found the limit to be 6”00 180-190 pounds.
Agreed.
I’m 6’4” and 200 pounds and I have zero issues.
Integra Type S is the more comfy, classy, daily driver. The Type R is the more special/desirable car. More of a race car meant to mod. Will also be worth more in the long run in my opinion
The type s is more rare actually; there are less S models in production than the R.
I went with the CW Type R. Looked at both beforehand but the CTR is the one to get. ITS has more premium materials, great sound system, better exhaust, and great styling. However, the FL5 just feels more special. The seats are far better and add to the experience, I actually like the stiffer suspension and log R data, and the interior and exterior styling is more timeless and appealing. Adding the heritage color and more track focused feel and it was the clear choice to me. Much more of a unicorn to find too. It took a year to get a dealership to agree to a CW CTR with no markup, but my local dealers have many ITS at the higher MSRP. Type R will likely hold value better as well. In the end they are both a pair of awesome twins and anyone would be lucky to have either.
Good point on the CTR having more prestige and likely holding its value better in the future. Very surprised you were able to get one at MSRP, but it sounds like you had to work for that, ha!
Got mine at msrp too. Two months ago. Went to next state. Said I don’t do ADM.
He said will you buy it now without today? Yes. No adders? He said just tax and plates. It’s in my garage. It was easy.
Championship white. ADM swap from the S. Rides great. Faster over a bumpy track. Street it’s light years better.
Make your own S for $8K less with way better seats.
Integra type s is the one that would bring more joy of daily driving
I drove both I prefer the type R…….The only change I will make the exhaust
That'll definitely help give it more character!
Delete both resonators on the fl5, send ecu to hondata to flash and put a 93 basemap and add the type s pops and bangs tune.
Borh cars are great, no doubt. However, price is not a factor, as someone mentioned in the comments. If you've been looking to purchase, you already know that you can get the Type S for MSRP or less, while the Type R is still selling at over MSRP (lucky you if you can get one at MSRP). If you want the burbles like the Type S in the Type R, you don't have to buy a $2000 exhaust; instead buy a Hondata Flaspro and unlock the ECU. You can add the burbles like the Type S or you have two more options for more aggressive burbles. You'll also get more power and can eliminate rev hang (both cars have serious rev hang) amongst other features that you cam enable. Lastly, the seats are way better in the Type R and it is made in Japan, which may be why the fit/finish is slightly better. Again, both are great and you would be happy with either.
Markups and availability have a huge influence on this comparison, you're right. But due to differences depending on the local market it's more fair for us to compare MSRP to MSRP 👍🏼
You can get an R for less than or equal to MSRP too these days. In terms of quality both cars are made by the same robots on the assembly line. I’ve seen Rs at car meets with some misaligned body panels and gaps just like I’ve seen in Type S models
My ITS has zero rev hang.
I've had my fl5 a year now comfort mode is fine but I did go up a tire size from 30 to 35 that helped alot the electronic engine sound does not bother me none what so ever it actually helps the car is way too quiet without it to me the fl5's natural width looks cleaner and smoother than the TYPE-S not saying the integra looks bad but more like an after thought with the fender flares that being said I think the FL5 will age alot better and will be easier on the eye after the newness wares off both cars are worth getting I chose the one that was available because trying to find one to buy at a decent price will turn into a Easter egg hunt good luck lol
Drove both. Type R feels like you’re driving something special and has a sense of occasion. Type S feels like a normal car. Likely due to the R red carpets, R seats, s2000 like gauge cluster with shift lights, assembled in Japan, and the R’s history.
MSRP difference after tax on is closer to $10,000 The exhaust, damper module and heads up display are the only things about the type S that I like better. If Acura didn't bolt on the wide body effects and had a better front end design, I might be swayed over to the type S (if they both cost the same).
I paid 50k plus tax title DMV for the type S, good luck getting an FL5 3k under MSRP
@@davelospinoso9022 I have a photo of a type S window sticker, total price at $53,595 My type R window sticker was $45,890 (in black)... so no up-charge). Add the extra sales tax to the Type S higher price and we're at 9K and change between the cars. Totally not worth it.
@@davelospinoso9022 * edit * So I re-read your response. You got a great deal! I was speaking of list price car for car. Possibly Acura dealers are more willing to sell for under MSRP which is great for the buyer. Honda of course is selling for over MSRP in many places, but luckily I got mine for MSRP. Enjoy your car, they are all engineered to be amazing vehicles!
The Type R is for the younger crowd ... kinda riced out with that big a$$ wing. The Type S is just more sophisticated, mature, and sexy! You pull up in the Honda and they just think its a souped up Civic 🤷🏿♂️ but when i pull up with the "Ack" it turns everyone heads and most importantly the ladies 🤣🤙🏿💪🏿🤷🏿♂️ not only that.... its just better all the way around! I love my Teggy
lol I’ve seen a lot of young people getting the type s as well. What’s your point
Ack? Teggy? Most importantly the ladies? Hahahaha you sound like you’re 13
@@hqrueck And you sound like a hater hahaha
@kobi2002 My "Point" is exactly what I wrote in my post, also.. most young people do not have money like that to buy a car am I right? So the CTR would be a better option as compared to the DE5 which is even more expensive especially during this inflationary economy we are in... Is that a better point for you Lil fella? Lol
@@kobi2002 which one of these cars do you have?
Btw, type r has more head room for a helmet. S for daily r for track
That definitely is important for anyone wanting to track these! Thanks for sharing.
Civic any day
The fl5 is not a hot hatch anymore, it is much bigger than previous type of models.
Yet still weighs
someone explain why everyone calls the type s a hatch when it’s clearly a sedan
Cause it has a hatch. 🤣
@@veedee4860 nope it’s got a trunk
The cheap leather on the interior is what kills the Type S for me. Acura should have upped the price a little to 60-65K and made a 400hp AWD or RWD Integra Type R coupe with a premium interior.
I'm a old fart, I would take the type s. 10 years ago I would take the R. I will stick to my FA5 thou.
You’re only as old as you think. My neighbor in his 60s still drives his S2k lol
At 1st when both cars came out I really loved the fl5. Because I love discretion more the only mod I'd do to the fl5 is the suspension mod to make it more softer because I'm not a track person and somehow find a way of getting a rear wing delete. That was then... Now the Integra Type S has really grown on me and I'm really loving it. Only 2 things I wished the car had was a lower load height for the trunk/boot and a sunroof. Other that that the type s is one bad ass car for me now
A sunroof affects handling by raising center of gravity.
Acura wanted to give you the same performance with a few cool add ons.
@@Marbind it's a wish
Both are awesome and great for someone cross shopping. However, most reviewers compare vehicles to get likes to make money and not give unbiased reviews. Honda is an international manufacturer and some products are only for North America like Ridgeline, pilot, passport, ODYSSEY, Accord, and of course Acura products. America labour cost make American made Honda products very expensive with less quality in some areas. Type R is Japanese made for Asian and European countries and Australia and so follow international standards for sounds and emissions. Type S Integra is Made for America by Americans and so less restrictions but very expensive. Another thing reviewers fail to mention is Acura is a premium Honda meaning more than but not a luxury brand often compared to like Mercedes or BMW just like those are not compared to Bentley or rolls Royce.
Well, glad you found reviewers that don't do any of the bad things you mentioned :)
How is the second gear worn out already on a new car like that?
Because they can’t shift forShyt
@@noirrain6005 ya most likely
We didn't even have the car before it happened 😅
Type s
Better dealership experience as a customer
I would rather have a boosted 8th gen si.
That was my dream build but the DE5/FL5 comes boosted too, 315hp+, stronger trans, wider body, bigger brakes, huge tires, adaptive suspension, stiff chassis, etc.
Everything I ever dreamed to have on my 8th but with warranty.
Man give me both please 😂
We already called dips on them! 😂
@@GCCarsCA 🔥🔥😂
It ain't a tight car if it ain't Type R! I chose the FL5 but the Type S is very nice!
Never heard that one before! Haha
HONDA only manufactures one Type R at a time. Which is why the ITS is not a type R
What's the tire and road noise like in the Integra? Oh ya rev hang?
No noticable rev hang in either. As for road and tire noise, it's very similiar in both cars with the Integra being slightly quieter than the Civic.
@@GCCarsCA So there is considerable road noise if they tried to make the Integra quieter, My daughter had a TSX and I hated that car. It was such a hollow sounding tin can.
The only reason you don't get a type S is you can't afford a type S.
Haa that's pretty funny!
No, depends weather or not you plan on tracking it or not. If you want a daily buy the Type S; if you plan on tracking it buy the Type R. They have different use cases. Money is the not the reason
Civic any day 😂
Sometimes it brand. I mean globally Acura brand might not be as well known. I feel when I hear a civic type r sound a lot better then integra type s. Maybe if was integra type r would be different.
You must not know all Type R have a 5-10k mark up making them the same price. You just showed you know nothing congratulations 😂
ACURA INTEGRA TYPE Super!!! 💪
I say you hate both the cars bssed on those hammer shifts.
When you're launching the car to achieve maximum acceleration you can't wait for the revs to drop. Trust me, both of these cars can handle it totally fine.
Honda definitely screwed up the Type R Exhaust lol. Screwed up as in added an exhaust that didn't make any sound.
Definitely took away from the experience 😫
They should've made a different exhaust for North America, or at the very least offer it as a paid option.
Red seatbelts in Honda are horrible. Way too much red.
Civic type r fk8
Integra type s
Civic type r now
If youre traffic, get the S, if ypure an enthisiast, get the R.
TYPE R ALL DAY
Integra for me. 🙂🙂🙂
Those are not hatchbacks...
Liftbacks are considered hatchbacks, as the cargo storage is part of the interior cabin and not a separate trunk.
I love the Tye R. Better handling and lighter car for track performance.
King of the hot hatch is the Kona N
I'd argue that the Kona is in a different class as it's an SUV - it's also unfortunately out of production. We do love the Elantra N a lot though!
RS3 is the king not these lol
We love the RS3, but it doesn't offer a manual unfortunately.
Both way overpriced.
You still doing it over a year now, that's all you have to say in each video of any type R ever on the net....please for the love of humanity get over it....please I have said before enjoy your Hyundai and stop trolling on these honda reviews.
@@van_der_lindeDA I don't own a Hyundai what are you talking about?
The Integra is underpriced for what you get.
I just picked up a type S
😂 r type rule come to a track... I'll be at 70 get on highway you going 45 trying to turn ... and the got bose speakers!!
What?
I think you must’ve been totally drunk typing that out because that doesn’t make any sense but you do have bose speakers
R >>> S. End of discussion.
The car that isn't a liftback or sportback sedan.
Not quite sure what you mean. Both of these are technically hatchbacks (although I find liftback more accurate).
@GCCarsCA The integra basically takes the SI sedan and gives it a liftback while the Civic continues to use the hatchback variant for the type r. Both the Civic Sedan(184) and Integra(186) are longer than the type r(181). Styling just makes both cars look similar.
Ah I see what you mean. Thanks for clarifying :)
@@ii_dynasty really grasping at straws here. Both cars have nearly the same shape.
Type s is a water down type r
Stupid question man.