What's The Best Mulching Lawn Mower? Allyn Hane, The Lawn Care Nut
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2019
- Two of the best mulching lawn mowers go head-to-head in thick, overgrown grass. Do mulching mowers work? See for yourself.
What is the best lawn mower?
Honda HRX from Home Depot or the Toro Super Recycler from your local Toro Dealer?
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"I'm probably going to redo the entire video, hope you guys don't mind" bro, I look forward to your videos every weekend and I would guess that's a pretty common thing among your viewers. I used to HATE yard work but now I find myself out in the lawn almost every day doing some kind of upkeep all because of your content and passion for lawn care, once I started to understand the science and art it all just became one more of my many hobbies so thank you for doing what you do, keep the vids coming!
Looking gangsta with that cigar...I now call you “Sod Father”.
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I love your attention to detail and the fact that you knew the test was a bit skewed. You're Truly "THE Lawn Care nut". Great video Allyn.
Great Honda wheel height tip. I will give the wheel setting tip a try the next mow. Also ... Because of your videos my yard has gone from mediocre to the envy of our block ! Thank you for all the knowledge you share.
I bought the Honda HRX after your videos with it. I discovered the instructions for the speed control is backwards. You actually want to set on max and then slowly press in to get a nice slow pace. I enjoy mowing with it and best mower I ever owned.
I wish i had ur inspiration when I was a kid, I hated mowing the lawn. Now I love it! I think about it at work/at play, all the time since I found your channel.
Good video. My Honda does exactly the same thing with my St. Aug. For some reason it tends to leave blades uncut even with me adjusting the overlap. I mow the lawn every 4 days at the highest setting and do a double pass to get it nice and even. I'm going to try that suggestion of adjusting the wheel height to see what it does for me. Thanks Allen for the video. Keep them coming.
You just made another Toro fan. Thank you for showing me the quality. Love it. Keep the videos coming.
Another great video and lots of respect to you for deciding that you would like to redo it. I'm glad you posted it! Good camera work, Son of LCN 😎. p.s. I get a lot out of your videos even though I live in a cooler climate and have all different grasses and a much bigger yard. Thank you!!!
Wow I did not know about this.. I actually have been doing that for 3 years now.. people on fixed income,veterans,and the disabled.. even though sometimes it’s hard for me financially but I still do it. Working 40 plus hrs at my normal days job that I have been at for the last 15 years is what has helped me get by and pay for my equipment.. love what ido and won’t change that
Alan. Perfect review. You are one of the few that did a good and correct comparison. Honda HRX versus Toro super recycler. I cannot believe how many videos out there do not feature the correct models.
Something I've recently noticed about the Toro Super Recycler that I bought this past May. I am in Michigan, have mostly Kentucky Bluegrass and cut it at 3 3/4" (second to highest setting). I had been mulching since I bought it and have been very pleased with the results. During the last mow, I had a lot of "whirleys" and "cotton" from trees so I thought I would use the bag instead of mulch. To my surprise, I noticed that I could visually see the grass blades outside of the deck being sucked into the deck! I'm now looking forward to my next mow without the bag to see if it has always been that way or if its only when the bag is on. Not sure what this means, but either way, bag or mulch, I am extremely happy with the purchase. Thanks Alan and other people who have commented in the past about the Super Recycler! I'm sure all of you will be getting your residual check from my purchase very soon! :P
LCN I really believe the low RPM from the EPA for noise quality and lower emissions is a factor in not getting a clean cut. I noticed this when I was running a mower from the 70's and the cut quality was better than a new mower my neighbor was using (2500 vs 3800 RPM) but the engines last longer with fewer oil changes.
So like you - honest! Thanks for the review and thanks for offering to redo! And btw... Thanks for the recent Hydretain video. I bought some and put it down - just in time - cause... summer is here bruh!
Wow Allyn I enjoy every second of your videos. I have tried for 4 years straight to make a yard for my kids and wife to enjoy but I have been unsuccessful to say the least.
I watch and watch and watch your videos. I travel a few hours daily and do nothing but listen
Even with all that I am still so lost on where to begin. I planted st aug in the rear and it’s doing ok kinda but front is where it’s at and I can’t win. Thx for the videos at least I can keep watching and wishing I could give them the yard they deserve.
I don’t want to tell what I was doing while watching your video lol.I was surprised but happy to see it up this early. My Honda HRX is 15 years old and going strong so I don’t think I’ll be needing a mower anytime soon( especially since I became a LCN I really take good care of it). Great to see your son get involved, and great to know Rodney is still going strong! One last thing I want to mention, knee pads when kneeling on those pavers Bruh!!!! Have a great Sunday!!
I own an exmark commercial 21" pushmower. That thing is a beast in thick grass as the deck is about 5" deep. Paid $945.00 for it back in 2011 and It is still going strong.
I bought the Super Recycler at the beginning of this season and I love it so far! Thanks for the video. #teamtoro
I LOVE mine as well!
Great videos and awesome info, I thought you did a great job on the video, no need to re-evaluate, so it’s gonna be thunder storming here in Minnesota so what a great time for watching your podcasts and great videos 👍👍😎😎
Love the video. I own the Toro myself and had I thought any of the Hondas were a better mower I would have bought one of them instead. The Personal Pace system is the best IMO.
This would be an awesome contest. One for the Honda folks and one for the Toro folks to come mow and do this Vs. video. That would be sweet!
Nice job Allyn’s! Always honest and thorough. The Nexite deck on the Honda is extremely durable, but it is lite. On St. Augustine being so thick and stiff, I can see the Honda bouncing around more.
Ive had both mowers, my honda has the gcv 200 motor though. What I believe is causing the missed blades is the weight in front end. The hondas greatest fault in my opinion, is its to light in front end. Ive found mowing thick grass slowing down helps alot
I have the HRX and have been really happy with it. (Mostly KBG, PR, and some Fescue in spots). When overgrown, I will not do 100% mulching but split it about 50/50 with the bag. Generally I get good results with that. That St Aug is so damn spongy, I would think a heavier mower would be better. I like the HRX, but it's light.
I bought one a few hours ago . Me personally like to bag my clippings because I hate thatch and mower is like yard vac ! Works awesome! I think the mulching option is a thatch maker in my experiences .
Al please show underneath the decks of each. My timemaster struggles to mulch my thick kbg . The deck gets so clogged up it bogs down. I always bag but sometimes side discharge and double cut. I cut every 3 days at 2 3/4
Thanks for the review I just purchased the Honda and the difference between that and my troy built is night and day.
Maybe its just me, but from what I could tell the Toro had a better cut quality over the Honda right up until you adjusted the rake on the Honda.. that definitely improved its cut quality.... I went from a Sears Craftsman 21" to a Toro Timemaster recently and I'm definitely addicted to the cut quality and time savings of the Toro.. a switch I wish I had made ages ago!.
I just did this to mine and it worked awesome. Thanks for all the tricks!
Im still running 1995 Toro Super Recycler, at the time it was top of the line. Runs the same as the day I bought it! Never buy Lawn equipment from a BIG BOX STORE! BTW MY lawn 15K sq ft. size......
Lawn care nut is the man. I have a Honda so I literally watched just for fun but he makes these so fun.
Got my super recycler a few days ago. It blows my Husqvarna out of the water. No clipping clumps anywhere. And the personal pace works better than I hoped. Very happy with it. I was sold on it after your review of it a few months ago. Thanks Allyn😎
Haha I watched the JTLK and LCN review of the Recycler vs Super Recycler yesterday and today here is the next round in the competition.
I replaced my old Toro Recycler with a Troy-Built branded Honda. I gotta say, I miss that Toro.
Thank you for the great content and showing us the comparisons between mowers along with all the helpful content and tips. My lawn has improved so much since I found your page last year and I tell all my friends that want a better looking lawn to subscribe and watch. You rock!!
On my toro I lower the front a half notch more than the back and it mulches better when cutting high grass. I did it because my John Deere riding mower says tilt the front deck 1/4 lower than the back and it worked good for me.
Bought a Super Recycler. Best thing to do is add the Traction Assist Handle. Really adds to using Personal Pace, especially on hills. My lawn dominates after watching LCN for a couple years. Also, +1 on Carbon X.
Thank you for comparison I've owned a toro but think im going w the Honda this time. I like the Honda motor
I really enjoy my New Honda with the 200 cc engine when cutting that thick St . Augustine. Have always been curious about the Toro as well. Thanks for the video.
I just got back from a vacation to CO with the family for the Pikes Peak Hill Climb. My KBG is now WAY overgrown. Going to jack my Super Recycler all the way up and try to mulch it. Going to double cut either way. My try side discharging the first cut and mulching when I drop for the second pass.
I have the Honda HRR and I love it. I use the bag but when I am cutting my tall fescue at 4" I get less than a bag of clippings on my 4500 sq ft. lawn so even with the bag on most of the grass is getting mulched back into my lawn. Could be an issue if you have fungus problems and you want to remove all the clippings. However when I go full mulch I seem to get some grass clippings in my tracks that don't get mulched all the way. Thanks for all the info you give us Alan. My yard is looking awesome following your program!
The best mower I've ever uses commercial Toro 21 with the Honda motor is beautiful cut beautiful I've been in the business for 25 years
Good reviews, can't wait to see the follow up. Please tell your son: " Thank you for serving "
On my Honda HRX; I lowered my handle height by one notch. Since the deck is lighter then a metal one; I was pulling the front up while walking.
I generally have to double cut at 4" in my St. Aug lawn with the HRX. It misses quite a bit if you do back and forth passes.
Just became a subscriber and love your honest videos. Good job
thanks and welcome!
I was so amped from your email earlier this week after seeing the Honda bog down on the zoysia in your earlier video. Now I’m left hanging to see you retake. I hope you get to it soon. I have been cutting my zoysia with my HRX at 2 in all season and I’m interested to see your cut. Thanks.
I have a Lawn Boy insight from 2006 that I think could hold its own in a side by side by side comparison with both of these mowers! Maybe I’m biased, I have always owned Lawn Boy mowers and love the cut quality they have provided. I’d be glad to drive it down and let you have at it!
I’ve got a Toro personal pace recycler from 2009 and cuts like new. Always cut with bagger but mulch most of the time unless I’m in a bad area of lawn with weeds etc then I’ll bag or next to mulch areas...just flip lever and bagging it.
I just bought the Honda HRX up here in Vancouver Canada eh... It's now 200cc (2019 model) and love it on the cool season grass. I think it's time to ascend to 4K as it would really be nice in a video like this... Ryan's video's look prostate... Damn spell check... PROSTAR. Love your videos Allyn! Have learned so much over the years and always look forward to your next video! Cheers!
that ho da just makes the grass look so much nicer. with the microcut technology you do t have to worry as much about what direction your mowing in. beautiful mowers. also they dont stall out with grass 3 feet high like Toros do!
Well I pulled the trigger. Team Honda. I was so close to buying the Toro but Consumer Reports had such good ratings for the HRR216VYA plus the 10% military discount at Home Depot, I had to do. Wednesday will be the first cut. I hope I love it. 🤞 Thanks for your videos.
Great video. I have the hrx and mow on tttf. Works fantastic!
The toro has a secret setting that will take it even higher, instead of setting it to G go a little further. This will take it to or pass 4 1/2 perfect for summer.
I just can't get away from the Toro personal pace. I've used the Honda and Milwaukee, but just find the personal pace superior to the point I can't really consider other mowers. It really is a great relaxing mow. I would love to see an updated review of the newest line of 21"/22" walk behind mowers.
I have the Honda and with my thick Bluegrass I have to be careful not to let it get too long. I can mow at 3.5 inches ok but if I go to 3, it will leave grass lay on top. I will try raising the front wheels up a notch next time I mow. I mow every 3 days.
You are awesome!! Thank you for all your help and all you do!!!
I want to get that hrx mower but I do alot of mulching of hedge limbs and I've seen these hrx or plastic deck mowers with holes and cracks in the deck from mulching hard debris. I use an hrt216 steel deck mower now with the 9" hrx wheels and it's been great, chops anything I throw under it with no problem.
Live near you and have same issues with St Aug. Always on the fence for getting a new lawn mower. I have to go over it several times to make it look good. Thanks for doing the review.
for sure it's not an easy turf to manage with a small mower, especially when the stolons get super thick. My TimeMaster def does a better job.
Good review Allyn! I don’t have these exact mowers, I have the Honda HRN216 and a 5 year old Toro 22 inch recycler and I like them both. I personally prefer the Honda, but because it cuts lower and mulches really well, plus I prefer the drive system more,. I have burmuda and keep it between 1-1.5 inch most of the time. I also mow a few relatives yards who can’t mow and they all have saint Augustine grass. On their yards I use the toro, just seems like a little tank and I keep the mow height between 2-4 inches. The toro is actually stronger which is better for the thicker, st Augustine. Also I bag their yards a lot because they have tons of weeds and I feel it helps keep the spreading of weed seeds down (another reason to bag). Oh and I use a white China marker and mark a D on the down side of my blade and it will wear off between mowings but those things write on anything so that’s how I mark my mower blades when sharpening.
It's amazing to me that random people I talk to about lawns know who the Lawn Care Nut is, you're a legend!
everyone is a lawn care nut, they just don't know it yet!
I have the Honda. I did the RPM hack found on the Grass Daddy channel. Improved cut quality big time!!
Yep, I found that with my HRX 190cc that increasing the speed a few hundred RPM is night & day. It was factory set at ~2600 for some reason, so I upped it to ~2900, which helped alot with cut quality. Also I can go over the lawn at a quicker pace than before which was at a slowish pace especially compared to the mowing pace he did in this video, which was waaaay faster than what I would ever be moving at (and maybe I'm just more patient, haha).
@Believe231 I saw the hack with the tension spring, but how do you actually measure that you went to 2900 RPMs?
Thank you for donating to Rodney!
Looking forward to the redo too. I need a better mulcher, so I'll wait until I see your review.
I think you need to test both overgrown and normal cuts. The Honda will clump some when the grass is completely overgrown, so I set it somewhere the middle to bag some and mulch some. I find it still mulches quite a bit and small enough without any clumping. Honda mulching shines when it's not overgrown. A double cut test on overgrown grass would also be interesting.
Great Review, I was thinking about getting a new mower after my project you just made it tougher for me to pick one out now.
😊, me i just bought Toro Super Recycler Honda Engine. 😉
@@johnas1887 Im trying to buy that one. Its very hard to come by, I think im going to have to special order it.
I love when you do videos like this. Can you do other lawn tools like the fogger? Thanks for Rodney Smith link.
yes sure, I enjoy doing tool reviews - the vids just take longer to edit but it's worth it for sure.
Best part was you showing us how you jack the mower.. and how you sharpen and level the blades.. thanks for that. What kind of wheel on the grinder?
I used to be a die hard honda mowers fan, but after owning an HRR, the only thing I like about it is the engine and roto stop. The rear wheels lock up when pulled back and the front wheels are misaligned and worn down after only 4 years. My next mower will be a super recycler with a Honda engine.
LCN... I feel like you are missing a great opportunity to do a Maury’s Wig (Goodfellas) Easter egg after a long day in the yard. Jump on in, the water is nice 👍
My Toro Timemaster (190cc version with governor tweaked up for an additional 200-300 rpm) has a tough time mulching my very thick bluegrass & tall fescue lawn at 3" in the spring and fall when the grass is lush. I cut at least twice a week. In the spring I almost can't mulch because the deck packs up so badly with grass. In spring I use the mulching blade and the rest of the year I switch to the high lift blade. If I mulch at 3 1/2" I can avoid excessive grass clippings on the top of the lawn but the cut when mulching does not look nearly as good as cutting at 3". I have tried the trick of different wheel height settings but i was told to set rear wheels one notch higher. It helped a bit but the cut does not look as nice as having both front and rear wheels set the same. My lawn is only about 1/3 acre but i like the time savings and larger stripes of the 30" deck. Is there a better way to do this or a better mower that can mulch this without leaving clippings on the lawn?
I do the same thing with the Timemaster. Front wheels up higher and rear wheels lower.
Haven't had a chance to mow with an HRX so I cannot comment on that mower. It seems like a nice machine and is very evenly matched with the Super Recycler. I currently have an SR4 super recycler and have owned about 3 other Super Recyclers over the years and I love em'. They mulch great, leave a great quality of cut and I love the cast aluminum deck. For my money, it's hard to beat the Super Recycler as far as mowers you can buy new.
Have to say though, as a 2 cycle Lawn Boy collector, the best mowers will always be 2 cycle Lawn Boys. Damn you EPA for banning them!
What would happen if you adjusted the rake on the recycler?
Your hat game is always on point.
Allyn, I'm curious if you've ever used a 2 cycle Lawn Boy with a staggered deck? The aroma of 2 cycle exhaust mixed with the toasted fresh cut grass for the under deck muffler models, combined with the cut and the power they provide....it is by far the best mowing experience you can have! 2004 is when they stopped producing the 2 cycle mowers, but the F series engine models with their under deck mufflers were produced from 1978 - 2000. F series models were the overall best mowers Lawn Boy produced.
I'm thinking about giving my son my 21 year old Toro Super Recycler and buying myself a new Toro. Right now, the Toro is on sale for $549.99. I was looking hard at the Honda, but I have had Toro's all my life.
I appreciate how much you care!
I always mulch because not only are the mulched clippings good for your lawn but also I’m lazy so I don’t like to bag, except for the first cut of the year.
I have an older model Craftsman mower (10 years, + or -) with a single blade, no side discharge, no mulching plug, no mulching lever, variable speed self-propelled (I propel it myself, LOL) manual choke (just for initial start-up) and a Chinese Honda motor. It does a great job. and I’ve had a few items repaired on it over the years.
When it comes time for a new mower, I’ll most likely buy a Honda powered mower but I do miss my Tecumseh powered mower, I’m not sure if they’re still manufactured
Nice video! I'm 2 years late but I enjoyed and learned something from this video.
I'd like to try mowing with a Toro some day.
Real world honest review! Good job!
Carbonx in beast mode still, certainly on my list to order soon. Good looking lawn.
Great video. Appreciate your hard work. I picked up a used super recycler. It's great but doesn't start on first or second pull. I changed the spark plug but other then that is there another part I should change?
To my eye, the Toro had more missed cuts with Mohawks sticking up.
You must be a Honda fan lol.
I have a Honda and I have a toro, even though I got the Honda straight through my thick grass and my toro kept mulching and dying on me, I don’t know if the Honda has a mulching blade or not it not the one in this video and I have a toro 22” recycler, there no comparison the toro wins hands down, I think the video shows that to, I hope I keep it a long time and the best part of this post is my Toro striping kit come tomorrow, woot, woot
I've raised my front wheels one notch higher on my husqvarna 62522fe mower and it makes a difference.
Great video man😊
hey, i was wondering love the show by the way, thanks to you my lawn went from darn to wow, thanks pick up a lot of tips here Man, I live in Minnesotan my questions are can the timemaster be better than these smaller machine? I was thinking about purchasing one and why st augustine grass better than rye or blue?
I love watching your videos very detailed. I have a question for you and I already know you probably have a video on this subject but what is the best fertilizer for my lawn? I live in Albuquerque New Mexico where we have 4 seasons, spring, summer, fall and Winter. Right now I use ironite in the spring to get it green and then I use scotts turf builder plus weed control, is there anything that you would recommend that I use all summer long?
Love the content! Keep up the good work!
How quickly after seeding a lawn can you start mulching on cool season grass?
you can mow when you can't stand it anymore - just get on quick and don't linger. mulching is fine
👍🏼 Always entertaining!
Hi Allyn , I bought the Honda HRX217 lawn mower a year ago and I like it except, I noticed when picking up leaves (bagging) in the grass or driveway that this mower does not have the suction to pick up all the leaves when set to 2.5 inches. It misses some and shoots a lot of debris out the front right corner of the mower. It does help if I lower it to 2 inches or shorter, but I do not want to go lower that 2 1/2 inches. Other lawn mowers I have had pick up better. Have you noticed this?
I have a timemaster but used to have an old super recycler about eight years ago. I’m curious what cut is better between the two in your opinion? I love the timemaster cut and I would assume it’s better with the dual blades but want to see what the new super recyclers are like.
I have been mowing every 3 days up here in South Dakota. My new Super Recycler is leaving a mulch trail out the left side of the mower when oy cutting 1/3 of my grass (roughly 1"). My neighbor cut his today with his new Honda HRX where he was cutting 2" off his lawn and had no mulch trail. What is wrong with my mower? I am taking it back to where I bought it tomorrow to see what they might recommend.
Any recommendations for after market blades? I have a JD rider and a old Sears Craftsman pusher.
Thank You
Allyn, another great video, and the perfect accompaniment to my Sunday coffee. Please consider this for just a minute; I think a great video would be to show just exactly what a poor cut looks like vs a premium cut, with similar side by side tests. A test like that could help viewers decide if they find value in upgrading their mowers. I'm in that boat now, and while I dislike my mower for mechanical and usage reasons, the cut 'seems' just fine to me. If I can solve for usage and get a better cut at the same time, I would probably upgrade sooner.
I had a Cub Cadet and I think they are pretty good mowers and I used to think the cut was awesome. That is until I got a 20ish year old Toro Recycler. After one cut my wife even asked what I did different because the lawn looked so much better than usual. It kinda shocked me because I never realized she cared other than it was physically cut... According to the video LCN and Jake the lawn Kid did the Super Recycler is superior to the recycler and the product line also kinda shows this as well.
Liked the video.
Any details on the review of the Blue Mule hope end sprayer??????
Going to be buying a new one soon and will buy the blue mule if worth it but it is expensive.
I’m gonna try that trick setting on my Honda looks like it works.
let me know how it does!
Great video! I actually have both mowers. 2007 Toro SS & Brand new HRX with the 200 CC engine. Bottom line, you can’t go wrong with either machine. If I were to list a winner, it would be the Toro. Why? The shorter wheel base & the Personal Pace Drive makes the mower very easy to operate. I would rate it as a superior “Trim” Mower. If you have to mow 18” long grass, then the Honda would be your choice. It’s unstoppable, great power to say the least. I am still not sold on the dual blade system. I think it is more hype than functionality. Reason being: during my first sharpening of both blades I noticed that on the larger blade only a 1/2” of blade tip was missing the factory paint that needed sharpening.
The inner blade looked like it had no signs of wear. Basically it was along for the ride.
Maybe just good marketing on Honda’s part!
At the same time, I had an older Toro recycler for years and then I picked up an older Honda recently on craigslist, and I gotta say I've noticed the clippings it produces are actually shorter and more "fine" than the clippings produced by the Toro, cut at similar heights. It's just one data point I know. I cant say for sure of it's better to have two blades but it isnt hurting either.
DIY Dad Was the Toro a Super Recycler? Because that’s what we are talking about here!
@@algorel4763 is there a huge difference between a super recycler and a regular "recycler"? As long as you are using a mulching blade it should all the same correct? I have noticed that some aftermarket blades like the Oregon gator blade can have better mulching performance.
DIY Dad Very good question. There is a major difference between the two Recyclers.
I have owned both. Aside from the two hundred dollar difference, the deck design is the major difference. The cast Aluminum deck on the Super model is deep domed with three
triangle plastic “Kickers” screwed in at the top of the dome. This creates an obstacle the blades of cut grass hits and in turn gets hit again and again by the mowers’ blade. It just offers better mulching capability than the standard Recycler with the stamped steel deck.
The Toro Co. owns the grass cutting industry. Next time you ride by a golf course take notice of all those sizable red mowing machines keeping the course playable. Guess what?
Those are not Honda machines!
@@algorel4763 didnt know that, good info! A lot of the pro landscaper companies around here run Toro, exmark (owned by Toro I believe! ), scag, or gravely. I'll have to pay attention next time I'm at a golf course lol.