The Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro May Be Old, But Can It Still Keep Up With The Ford Bronco Up A Mountain?
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1:55 in and wow, this is a very well put together video, great post-production!
It only gets better, thanks for the great reviews guys
@@jeffontwo8636 uoooo ok ok
Comments that did not age well
If your buying long term then 4 runner. If your leasing 4 runner still and Bronco or Jeep. Toyota is proven. There reason in jungle all you is Toyota land cruisers and in Middle East in rough terrain Toyota vehicles…
One of best things about the 4RUNNER is that you can actually buy one.
😅😅😅
Yeah at over MSRP especially these TRD Pros. In 10 years it’ll still be on the road and probably still worth 50% of its MSRP
$15000 over sticker
They’re expensive but they hold to value very well.
I’ll take the bronco
Tommy's summing-up of both vehicles was spot-on.
The Bronco is a very desirable vehicle with much more rubber, more lockers, better departure angles and is a brand-new vehicle - benefitting from the use of more modern technology. But the Toyota, without many of the toys the Bronco has, will still go just about everywhere the Ford will go but, like Tommy said, 15 years down the line a Toyota will still be going strong but the Ford will probably be on the scrapheap.
There's a reason why the UN and other NGOs operating in the most remote and harshest terrain in the world pretty much only use Toyota and Japanese vehicles.
Nice comments 👍
well said.
I guess, but honestly there’s more to it than just “ford makes cars that break.” That 2.3 will go a LONG ways, the 2.7 in this Bronco can be the same, and Ford uses amazing gearing with the only real exception being their stupid automatics. I’d say the 2.3 ecoboost with a manual transmission will last just as long as the Toyota, especially since Toyota’s longevity benchmarks have been a little bit more unclear recently. Hell, newer TUNDRAS are blowing main bearings at low miles.
And now the legendary 4.0L is gone, after guzzling more than our fair share of dead dino juice. Replaced with a turbo, one would think the reliability will undoubtedly take a hit. Turbos need more attention. Period.
Meanwhile I hope the new FJ has a good EV option with better range. Solid state batteries should help lower weight, but that's another episode. Great episode 🙂
@@zeropointstar It just can't go as long as that 4.0. You have so much more shit that can break on the new turbo engines, you're gonna be placing a turbo long before the end of the engines life. Not to mention other shit like HPFP.
What dream-like relationship between father and son. I think this is your best Bronco video and I've watched them all! Finally Pops drives it!
Man, I was literally just thinking - If I can be a dad like this guy one day. LEGEND
Bronco is trash
I just went over Imogene Pass in a stock 2003 Suzuki Vitara with 28” KO2 (stock size) tires. I had no issues at all. It just shows that you do not need a new very expensive 4X4 to be able to go on trails.
Wow. Thanks for that comparison point. Now I can take this channel with a grain of salt.
Just did it a few weeks ago in an F350 (Tremor)... Was a little tight around a couple of the switchbacks (had to do a multi-point turn a couple of times), and when there was oncoming traffic in a couple of spots, but knowing the edge of your vehicle is a great thing. The looks on some people's faces when the beast came through was hilarious. Had at least 4-5 people on the trail give me kudos for using it like it was meant.
@@RickysHP I didnt know about the Tremor until just now when I read your comment. Basically an off road package for the F350? Freakin sweet! Now I want one!
@Jim Parchert I did the same trail in my old 2009 Hyundai Santa Fe on stock tires no lift and not even a 4x4, it was a 2x4 fwd.
@@sargeredteamleader1762 stupid is as stupid does. I'm sure you had to take every bypass on the route with it, too.
Plot twist: Any trim level 4x4 4Runner could have easily done this trail. No need to always get caught up in the TRD hype
True.
But to be fair the TRD Pro "looks" alot cooler 😎 than the other trim levels.
And most people buying these are doing it for 80% looks 20% capabilities.
I've seen 4runners with snorkels, roof racks, mud terrains, etc, and when I ask the owner about their lift kit it's either:
A) I don't know the dealer did it for me
B) It's just some spacers from Amazon
I always say "that's cool", and feel bad for the truck. Almost the same feeling I get when I can't rescue a lost puppy.
100% fact, an sr5 with ATs and atrac on can do pretty much anything Colorado has to offer.
I'd rather buy the SR5 and use the $15K i saved vs getting the TRD PRO on my own accessories and having a unique build. I work as a tech at a Toyota shop and we call them the turds because of the price hike for minor cosmetic changes esp on the cars. The only car maker that could get away with slapping their performance badge on their regular cars is BMW, i owned a 335i with the M// package and although the excessive badges were tacky they looked distinctive from the regular models and they tune the suspension and steering on later ones.
TRD does look badass. I want to take my 16 limited to a trail but I’m afraid of messing up the trim due to the lower clearance :(
@@uuuu260 get some rock sliders made for that trim.
You'll be fine
Tommy is becoming my favorite reviewer on RUclips. Crawl control sounds like “Sneakers in the laundry”. I have a 21 TRD Pro, and that is dead on!
"Sneakers in a drier", is what I think he said. I recently saw on RUclips (Driving Sports TV) where Crawl Control got the driver up a difficult hill that he got stuck on when driving manually. It seems like a highly effective off-road system.
In all of the videos you’ve done the Bronco doesn’t seemed challenged. It made this trail look like it could be done in a CR-V.
the bronco makes it look effortless, ruclips.net/video/rx34Tbefh4A/видео.html put a stock 4 runner on this trail
Imogene can be done in most stock 4x4s on 31s, there are alt lines for lifted vehicles, but the main line is not that hard
I wouldn't take a CRV on the Ouray side of Imogene, but it could do the Telluride side.
In either case, pretty much any high clearance vehicle can make it, even 2wd with a locker and banging it up the obstacles as needed.
A couple years ago, I watched a guy force his CRV up that last switchback on the west side of Engineer pass. He did it. I am sure he scraped a bunch, and was lifting wheels like crazy, but he didn't totally destroy it.
Trust me the trail could not be done in a CR-V. We've personally rescued two off of this trail. The Bronco is just capable.
@@CoyoteFTW what is your point ? let's see how long the Bronco Lasts
Thanks for the memories! Just did Imogene last month with my daughter and had a blast! Fun to see all those obsticles and fantastic scenery again. We did it in my 2000 4Runner with 225K miles, (been in our family since new). It has a 2" lift and 33's. Climbed over everything in it's path without lockers...I was impressed with it's capability, and also got us all the way back home to Kentucky without any drama.
Impressive. I have a stock 4th Gen and I needed my rear lockers once. I’ve seen a stock 3rd Gen do it though with 4WD and a locker.
@@unodfredyI kept it in 4WD low and first gear going up the steep stuff. I'm running Falcon Wildpeak AT3w's...it was wet that day and those tires gripped really well. Only spun on one steep switchback, but picked a better line and they crawled right up. I just wonder if we will be seeing any '21 Broncos in 2041 still climbing a 13000' pass.
And that is why I'll never give up my 4Runner. Yeah, it's old tech but it still goes pretty much anywhere off road and on and you know it has iconic reliability. Something no American brand can say, unfortunately.
@@jimren5638 You will have to pry my 4Runner out of my cold dead hands! 😂
@@stevevice9863 that I do not think so. Unless they were like garage kept, have low mileage, and a granny drove it
I've noticed auto reviewers seem to like to talk about the exhaust sound on vehicles a lot. My priority in that regard is that it be as quiet as possible. I thought the old Subaru commercial was very effective where the family comes up on some deer browsing near a dirt road in their relatively quiet Subaru. Then, a truck with a V8 comes roaring up behind them and scares the deer away. The guy in the truck puts down his window and asks "What are y'all lookin at?"
Haha, same. I've shopped to replace my rusting exhaust and all I can find are exhausts that has more sound. I want less!
@@joe1071 Hate to break it to you, but you fill a very niche portion of the aftermarket exhaust market.
@@elijahmontgomery4146 I've noticed, hahaha
Try travelling with exhaust drone for a four hour trip across the desert to Vegas.
@@alonsoconstantino5493 exactly! I have a family and tow a camper cross country every year. Not interested in a louder exhaust!
How cool is to be able to work as a father son team in such beautiful country
You guys are so far above all the other auto review folks
I’m actually quite impressed that Bronco got over 19mpg with such an off-road biased set up at elevation like that. No surprises on the 4-runner mpg. I bet if you put 35’s and the same lift on the 4-runner you’d see less than 19mpg.
Great vid guys!
Yeah, quite a bit less. I put 265s plus 2” lift and on my Tacoma and my mpg dropped by 3.
The fuel economy test did not include the off-road portion. The test was for their drive there I believe.
From what I see in the 4Runner groups, 35 inch tires on a 4Runner get you 12 to 15 MPG at best. Not to mention, they don't really fit right, so you have to lift it a few inches and do some cutting of the inner fenders and the chassis. You also need to regear, since the 4Runner is geared marginally for its stock size tires.
@@trailrunnah8886 Yes but the 4Runner doesn’t need 35’s! So it’s moot point.
The 2.7TT is a greatly underappreciated engine design. Ford is lightyears ahead in engine technology over all other automakers, especially the Big 3 and Toyota.
Man, I left SW Colorado for Portland due to a job and now headed to the Bay Area. You guys never fail to make me homesick lol... Great video!
I just left the Bay Area it’s becoming quite dangerous be carefull up there!!
I just did Imogene, Black Bear and several other passes and trails in a 2007 Pathfinder with open diffs. I think you guys need a little challenging trail to really judge these 2 vehicles.
After what happened with them and subaru, I think they pick a semi challenging trail, but nothing crazy so they don't burn their relationship with anymore manufacturers
@@Rommer2258 Hey Joe, which video are you referring to?
@@duey1083 this was like 6 years ago now. Look up tfl subaru issues
Yep, both of those trails are old mining routes that are now semi to well maintained adventure sightseeing trails. They can be dangerous because of the elevation and drop offs but as far as challenging a serious off roader, nope, not at all. The differences in these two will only come at the extremes of capability where the Bronco has the advantage. But how many people who buy either of these vehicles will ever push them to the point of near failure to find out? For most people, most of the time and going to most of the places where non rock crawlers go, either will work and so will a couple of dozen other models on the market. And, by the way, although it never got much respect here in the US the R51 Pathfinder was a very capable off road vehicle if it's driver ever asked it to be.
Yes, this is good compare video, my 2000 F150 with open diffs did Imogene, it's still challenging depending on the snowmelt and maintenance but I think the Bronco is more aggressive and needs a more challenging trail to show it's full potential.
I still like the 4 runner better... After owning a Wrangler... The soft top noise gets old quick
Indeed, all that noise would drive me crazy
Really not a big comparison if I'm being honest. 4Runner will be basically worth the same as you paid for it in 3 years, and work flawlessly for 300K+ miles. Ford's Bronco will probably due for a tranny swap day after warranty expiration and be worth like $7. If my life depended on it, I'd only ever take a Toyota into a dangerous/skilled trail system.
@@dialupdavid you nailed it, I wouldn't trust a Ford anywhere that I couldn't easily walk home from
Luckily the bronco factory soft top is far quieter than the one in the Jeep’s.
Broncos are trash
These vehicles only compete and compare with each other when new, after the warranty is up the Ford will not be worth owning any longer whilst the Toyota will still be going and going and going........TRD Pro is old and reliable and proven itself over time, Toyota has good reason to not update the platform every year.
So true. Bring these exact vehicles back in 10 years and try again. One may not even show up for the challenge.
That’s not the point of this video numb nuts.
It will be interesting to see what they do with the new 4runner that is supposedly coming in 2023. Anticipating more electronics and a turbo 4 (maybe they will put the twin turbo 6 from the Land Cruiser in as an option, but I doubt it).
4Runner/Taco Bros: "look! I've gone 300k pavement miles"
Bronco and Wrangler Bros: "cool" goes back to actual offroading*
@@mattg8116 the kids need to get to soccer practice somehow!
I’ll take the 4Runner any day , even tho that bronco looks awesome and I’m a big fan of the bullnose Broncos , Toyota reliability reigns supreme !🤘🏼
Yeah...those 50 year old Broncos are barely running ...
@@buckhorncortez most of them have a Chevy 350 SB in them lmao
@@buckhorncortez 🤣👍🏻 Old Ford trucks & Broncos are very durable. I don’t know where some of these guys are getting the impression otherwise.
@@buckhorncortez Apples and oranges. I'd consider buying an old Ford, but the new ones? Nope. Maybe in a few years after they've had a chance to sort things out. Doesn't really matter, though. Not like you can buy one of these things anyway.
@@buckhorncortez Sorry but most of anything Ford has made in the past 15 years has been plagued with problems and reliability. Ford makes cheap junk, has been doing so for a while now.
Toyotas are the best vehicle, I’ll choice 4Runner any days!
whenever you get your license make sure dad knows your preference
@@mattbrew11 lmao ☠💀
Apparently English isn't your choice language.
“We’ve had this Bronco a month and never taken it off road.”
I’ll wager that 90% of Broncos will never see the off road.
Tommy has taken it off-road, but Roman hadn’t.
They may not see the road either. Other than from the tow truck bed.
90% off off road vehicles*
Same with most 4X4's including 4runners.
@@nofyfb123 NOT!
These videos are great. Through them I have learned that you don't always need every off road option to have fun. Big tires and four wheel low can get you most places. Thanks guys
Amen
And 🔒 👌
Just got back from an overnight trip in the Ozarks in my ‘21 4Runner Off Road, stock with 275/70/17 Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws and it did amazingly well through some pretty gnarly stuff.
Pretty much. Remember the kind of trucks people were driving on these trails decades ago. You really don't need all the bells and whistles on modern trucks.
I'd pick the 4runner over the Bronco any day. The 4runner looks a lot better, will last longer, hold its value, and will be more reliable than the Bronco.
Toyota should make their Pro models run 33’s and at least the Ridge Grapplers. Bet it would be a game changer for the 4Runner.
My Pro came with Ridge Grapplers, not 33’s but still nice to have over the Terra Grapplers!
A game changer? The 4 runner is one of the most highly sought after vehicles in the U.S , there’s a reason you can sell them damn near close for what you paid for them , no other vehicle can compete in resale value.
@@yourlame9795 I have an 01 4runner that still takes me through the trails, hunting ranches, fishing spots with no problem.
My wife's 2016 Trail Edition came with all the same off road technology in this video that the TRD Pro has. Only difference is suspension, skid plate, and emblems.
We were 6k upside down on a trade in. Now it's worth more than we owe. The "Toyota Tax" is real.
I love our 4runners and get compliments on them from alot of other people into this kinda stuff.
With that said, those Broncos are pretty sweet, I'm so glad Ford didn't do to the Bronco what GM did to the Blazer.
@@txrunroutdoors They did and it is called Bronco Sport.
@@txrunroutdoors I bought a 18' pro with 20k miles a year ago for a steal. Dealership just reopened after Rona and wanted to move vehicles. It's actually gone up in value since I purchased it, even WITH the 20k miles I've added to it. It's nuts
Really like the styling and the overall stance of the stock bronco but I just don't know how reliable it would be longevity wise and so forth. My 1999 4Runner has 480,000 mi original transmission and motor. Only time will tell .
Now they do, cuz engine are blowing up amd the 4 runners are still going
I want to thank you guys for keeping your content professional and never slipping in a political or socioeconomic outlook. Not even in conversation or in the background have I heard or seen any of that from none of the TFL family.
Thanks so much.
Well, it's obvious that those 2 topics are on your mind. Why even bring those up, when absolutely no one has spoken about them? It's like you want the conversation to start.
@@jasonconrad4314 they aren't starting anything, their comment was completely neutral and was just appreciative
Get some sleep you're over thinking it
@@jasonconrad4314 What is wrong with you?
Don't you have a Christmas heist in Whoville coming up soon to plan for?
@@jasonconrad4314 Thank you for that comment. Jody clearly has an agenda, which most right-wingers do. They project relentlessly and say "what are you talking about??? Stop whining, lib!" It's a clown-show.
@@jdunlap007 You literally broached the topic that you 'thanked' them for not broaching themselves. You're a righty clown.
If I’ve learned anything from these bronco comparison videos is that unless you’re doing something very extreme, it really doesn’t matter what ‘rugged’ truck you drive. It’ll get you there. 🤷♂️
Seeing as how the 4Runner has a towing capacity of 5,000 lb and payload capacity of 1550 lb compared to the Bronco's 3,500 and 1,350, as well as go 99.9% of the places that the Bronco will go, I think that the Toyota is the better all-around vehicle.
Really disapointed by the Bronco tow capacity. I would buy one but it can't tow a good boat.
I agree with your assertion and if I were choosing between the two, I reckon I'd go for the 4-Runner, but for the money, I don't think I'd buy either one of them.
The Bronco towing amount is the same as its main competitor the Wrangler, with a bit more payload. I think I would feel more comfortable towing a 3500lb load with the Bronco than trying to tow 5000lbs with a 4Runner, if I was towing 5000lbs+ loads, a full size truck is what I would use.
I'm not sure why Ford put such low limits on the Bronco, it has the power, weight, and width so it could do more. Probably so they keep selling their trucks.
@@TubeRLH In another video's comments someone suggested it's because of sway control, as the Wranglers numbers are very similar to, I think that didn't want to have the vehicle put in unsafe situations, cause no doubt the powertrain can handle more.
I wanted to get the Bronco, but the engine and roof issues, along with availability deterred me. I ordered a 2023 TRD Pro at MSRP and four and a half months later.
I see the title "This Toyota is old..." but I don't see an old Toyota anywhere LOL. I drive a 2001 SR5 4Runner. 😁
Yeah I didn’t know we were calling a newer 5th gen four runner “old”
No. Their Toyota is old. Yours is a classic car... 20 years old right? Haha
And if you have 4WD and a locker you can do this pass as well. I’ve seen it done in a stock SR5 3rd Gen.
Do you mean an old ford?
@@pauleric1746 it's so new still I can't afford it LOL.
So nice to see a strong, and healthy relationship between father, and son.. Sweet Video guys !!
I would still have the 4Runner TRD Pro over the Ford, not just because of price also the ergonomics. I could upgrade a 4Runner to the hilt with the price difference, bigger tyre's and small lift and approach, departure and breakover would be up there with the Bonco and still money to have an overland adventure for a month, I love the look of the Fraud and yes a good option, but what will the 2nd Gen be like probably worth waiting to see.
just get a cheaper Bronco, don't need to pay $60K for the much more capable 1st Edition. You can get a Badlands or a Black Diamond for thousands less and still get the more advanced ride out of these two
That Bronco needs more of a challenge! So far, it has effortlessly smashed these trails!
from what i hear imagene isnt much of a challenge at all. people do it in full size and hd trucks all the time.
It has been challenged on more than just Imogene. You just need to do a little bit of searching to see it in proper action. But then, you can see the 4R being put through more extreme scenario's as well with a little search. ;)
The bronco already has enough challenges man lol they can’t even make the tops work right lol
Wont happen
@@robertyoung8289 - i know the roof has been an issue (seems to be resolved) but 100k miles? Which part of the vehicle will fail?
The engine? Built specifically for turbochargers and composed of Compacted Graphite Iron and and is literally one of the most durable V6 blocks in existence
- check with the millions that are on the road including fleet and service vehicles and get back to me on that…many of these vehicles have exceeded 200k miles and are well on their way to 300k miles
The Tranny? Co-produced by Ford And GM and is in most Ford, Chevy and GMC (cars, SUVs, cargo vans, trucks etc…)
- once again, check with the millions of vehicles that are in service and see if they are still running after 100k miles or even 200k miles…
The suspension? Get real! Most suspensions (even the crappy ones) usually outlast the vehicle!
Great video! I appreciate how you guys don’t get stuck on who’s got the newest gadgets and who doesn’t, and are able to still provide a useful review.
Toyota sells 150,000 4Runners in a year, which is about the same volume Ford had targeted for Bronco, and does it without any gimmicks.
If I were Ford, I’d more concerned about what Toyota has in store for 4Runner’s redesign, than whatever Jeep might or might not do.
The 4Runner competes with the Ford Explorer & Jeep GC; both outsell the Toyota by considerable volume. Bronco will outsell the 4Runner as well; logical deduction (benchmarking) from Jeep Wrangler sales figures. Toyota desperately needs to innovate; they’ve come to the end of their quality pitch, now that most manufacturers are within such close reach of one another.
@@krasnaludek298 that’s the thing tho, the fact that the 4runner is is even mentioned along with all newest designs with the latest tech just shows how loyal toyota folks are and that reliability is still such an important factor especially for overlanders and off readers. The 4Runner has been nothing but profit for toyota for years now
I think you’re missing the point with Ford’s vision for the Bronco! The 4 Runner is a very capable vehicle but occupies a different niche targeting a different demographic! The only “true” competitor for the Bronco is the Wrangler (unless the next iteration of the 4 runner has a full rock crawling suspension, removable doors, removable roof etc…! Don’t get me wrong, i know that many buyers cross-shop different categories and will buy the one that checks most of their boxes.
However, the Bronco (even with arguably the worst release in automotive history) is a runaway hit and the demand will not wain for a few years and neither Jeep nor Toyota will affect that (unless the FJ Cruiser is modded and reintroduced or the Land Cruiser’s price is reduced 50% and it’s reinstated to U.S. mrkt).
@@krasnaludek298 LOL not at all both vehicles you mentioned has full independent suspension. And personally I would never consider buying a jeep. Maybe a Bronco but I don't like the abilities to remove tops and doors. 4runner is modern enough where it needs to be and old school where it matters the most. It has its place.
If you want to know what the 4Runner redesign is going to be, just rewind to about 2015. What was the hot new tech back then? That’s what the 4Runner will be like.
That's kinda cool. I had 33's on my 1988 4Runner with the 22-RE, 5-speed manual, and 488 gears and I also got an average of 20mpg. doing what y'all did. I didn't when I first lifted it and put the 33's on it because it was then geared so bad that I couldn't use 5th gear until I got up to like 70mph. which took like 5-miles to do. lol. But once I switched the gears to 488's it fixed all that, it was back to operating the way it did with factory tires on it. And of course, when I did the gear change I also put a Detroit locker in the rear and a Detroit truetrac locker in the front. and ARB front and rear bumpers, and ARB rock sliders, and a 12k Warn Winch. And it was in mint condition! Man, I miss that 4Runner! I always said I'd never get rid of it, but one day this young guy that just graduated high school and was getting ready to go away to college walked up looking at my 4Runner while I was getting gas, and he looked at it the way I use to look at it and asked if I would sell it, and I said no I didn't want to sell it, and then he started telling me that he was headed away to college in a couple of weeks and was looking for a vehicle to drive and that he was really wanting an older 4Runner like mine that he could start a build on while going to school. So I asked him how much he was wanting to spend, and he said he had saved up $3500 so far for a down payment, and I said If you give me $3000 you can have it. And of course, he bought it, The bumpers and winch cost more than that, so he pretty much got the mint condition 4Runner with 32k miles on it for free. lol. But he loved it, and he took great care of it, I use to see him sometimes on the weekends.
Tommy should have used the Multi-Terrain Select in the Rock or Loose Rock setting with the Rear Differential locked; the 4Runner wouldn’t have spun the front wheel at all on the final rock ledge. You don’t need to “ignore the technology” to lock the rear diff….unless you are trying to emphasize the 35” inch tires and the Front Locking Differential on the Bronco (which are unique to the Sasquatch).
Or just used ATrac in tandem with rear locker
Tommy has zero clue how to drive a 4RUNNER ...
I love these big trail videos! Can’t go wrong with the Bronco or Toyota.
exactly! buy what you want that you can afford!
I have to smile when I see you guys in Colorado go through a water crossing that is based with rock and think you are mudding. If you can still see your rims when you come out the other side, your aren't mudding, you are driving through a swimming pool. And I say that with the upmost respect.😁I love Imogene Pass and watching you guys drive it really allows those of us that have done the trail the ability to see exactly how those vehicles react on familiar ground. Love your videos!
I’ve been up and down the Imogene pass outside of telluride. I didn’t think it was that difficult. Did it in a ‘96 LR Discovery with a 5 speed manual in 1996. Maybe the road has changed since then? I do remember it was beautiful. I think as long as you have the most import tool in the vehicle ( that being your brain) you can make it with a lot of modern off SUVs
I agree, it’s not hard at all. I did it last month by myself in a stock rental jeep… in the rain. In fact I passed a bronco sport between the summit and telluride going the opposite direction towards telluride. The only thing I really wanted was the cameras of the bronco, passing on the shelf road can be tricky solo.
Nope. Still pretty easy.
When you use the locker in the 4Runner, select ATRAC for the front end!!! The front acts like an open diff still.
agree. rear locker + ATRAC + steady throttle = 99% of the capability of a front locker in the type of wheeling you see on this channel.
It’s the best setup for the 4Runner. I never even touch crawl control.
That is why pseudo lockers like a trac work so well in 99 percent of situations.
I put stock size general grabber ATXs and Bilstein 5100s on my 2011 4Runner SR5 and did Hells Revenge without issue. People don’t give A-Trac enough credit but it acts very similar to a locker. Also, nobody really uses the crawl control off road. You want to be in total control in those situations so you don’t break anything. 5 speeds also may not get you the best MPG but the sequential gearbox allows you to crawl downhill at slow speeds and keeps the truck from constantly changing gears on you. If you’ve got the money…go ahead and get the Bronco, but even an old 4Runner can handle this trail and do it for a lot less money.
Long term durability is where the 4Runner shines. The old school Japanese assembled 4Runner will last 300k with very little routine maintenance and minimal repairs.
Yes but as much as people hate to admit it Ford vehicles are pretty reliable. Just like every brand they have recalls Toyota just had a massive recall. There's so many old '94 ford's cruising around with over $250,000 miles on them
@@usz28 Of course there are some Ford models that end up being reliable but overall Toyota as a brand buries Ford from a reliability standpoint. Even with the recalls.
Tell me about those old Toyota timing chains, head gaskets, and frame rot just to name a few. This coming from my own experience.
Fact: if you get 100,000 Toyota anythings and compare them to 100,000 Ford/Jeep/Nissan/any brand comparable, the Toyotas will have more cars that continue to work and fewer that have significant problems. There are lots of reasons not to buy a Toyota, but they are the best at what they aim to do. In fact, every industry on the planet has tried to copy how Toyota does what they do, and Toyota is still the best at that process. They have the secret sauce built into their culture, and no manufacturing, tech, healthcare, or any other kind of company has been able to better them.
Yeah, everywhere except the salt belt. Mechanically great, the best IMO...but their vehicles on frames, FJ's, Tundra's, 4Runners, etc, just don't last. Maybe these last couple model years they've finally turned a corner, but a 2017 Tundra I looked at last week, was already rusting through the bed where it mounts to the frame. Which is apparently a common issue.
Nothing like seeing an awesome father/son adventure. Well done fellas!
According to many RUclips reviews I've watched, where Bronco exceeds its competition the most is in high speed off-roading in Baja and mud-n-ruts type terrain. Some of the early ride-along reviews at King of the Hammers and Moab demonstrated that. Both Wrangler and 4Runner owners who did ride-alongs commented on how much better Bronco (with advanced HOSS suspension) rode on such terrain than their vehicles. I suspect Bronco inherited at least some of that capability from the Raptor.
Bronco failed hard at the Baja.
So wife in the market, test drove badlands last weekend same orange color, 285's, 4 cyl. Turbo, 6 speed manual, soft top (down during test drive). Just our take of course, it was nice but kinda boring, plasticy, lacking sole and character, not a fan of the rear access...lift the top up deal. Nice seats, very comfortable, good power in the 4 banger. We are ordering a Jeep Rubicon when 22's are available 🤷♂️.
These videos just make me appreciate the 4Runner more. I need a vehicle capable of off-roading, but not a dedicated extreme rock crawler. And I also need to use that same vehicle to tow my boat to the launch. 4Runner can do both, Bronco can't.
So can a 2003 4Runner
Then you realize you’re in a Toyota that hasn’t changed their interior, engine or transmission since 1998.
@@mr75204 What
True, and that's one reason I got a Jeep Gladiator: To tow more than 3500lbs. And, it's my Daily Driver so it has to do everything else I need, too. A Wrangler or Bronco just wouldn't do towing-capacity-wise...so it HAD to be a MID-size TRUCK, but, one that was also a "serious" (!) off-road 4x4 (so not a Ranger, Canyon, etc.).
Plan A though (back in February 2021) was a Chevy Colorado ZR2, but due to GM's chip shortage I never was able to GET it so in mid-April, got the Gladiator (Rubicon) off a Jeep dealership's lot -- no waiting!
-- BR
The 4Runner isn’t even close off road. It’s more comparable to an f150
That 35 degree climb. I remember the first time I went over that in my FJ Cruiser. It was the first time I had done serious off roading. The trail had just opened that same day so everything around that climb was still covered in show, so no alternate lines. I missed the line the vehicle in front of me had taken. I started climbing and had nothing to see except sky. Scared the hell out of me. The next year it was a piece of cake. Lol.
I think that was the “wall” they struggled with on hilow from donut media. Dunno how.
When you are talking about the price difference I think you should remember you are in a first edition, not a Badlands or even a Basesquatch which all would have done exactly the same on the trail with different levels of creature comforts. The Badlands would be similar or cheaper while offering the same off-road improvements, and while the Basesquatch may lack refinement, its cost compared the to TRD pro is just incredible.
The same could be said about the TRD Off Road instead of a Pro.
I'd say the Black Diamond has most of the off-road capability at a much cheaper price than the Badlands or 1st edition.
You can configure a badlands like the first edition with lux pack leather and Sasquatch. My mom owns a manual Badlands with luxury package, and I was waiting until the Sasquatch was offered with manual. I’ll be getting a badlands manual Sasquatch luxury package with power leather seats. (The only way to get manual transmission and lumbar support is on the high spec badlands). The only thing I’ll be giving up to the first edition is the 2.7 otherwise the truck will be the same.
Love your videos! We did Imogene from Ouray 2nd week of Aug. this year. Our vehicle is a 2000 Cherokee XJ with a 3” lift, 31” Duratracs, no lockers or skid plates and with 4 people on board. This is my favorite trail of all time! Spent 3 weeks in CO. Some up by Ya’ll.
Love those XJs. Hold onto it man. They are so hard to find now unless you find a beat to crap one.
Such a classic look, and they are super light weight. I was looking for one for months but ended up getting a 3rd gen 4runner instead.
@@txrunroutdoors Thanks! I looked for 8 months. It’s a keeper!
I have a lifted 97 xj on ko2 33's with 4.5" lift & rear ARB lock for 'fun' and a 99 xj stock on 235 Duratrac for daily/work.
Love these old XJs! Cheap, reliable, easy to fix with tons of after market.
The 97 has just over ½ mil on the odometer.
@@redrider7730 are they solid axel in the front though?
I think that's why the XJ was sought after. And they only weigh like 3400lbs
@@redrider7730 good to know.
I've always liked that generation of jeeps.
So do yall obtain lifts by using taller coils on all 4 corners, just like an IFS would?
Way to put Dad in his place Tommy! Bottom line, when both of the vehicles have 100,000 miles, which one would you feel comfortable going over that same trail? Reliability is king!
100K miles is nothing for these. I'm sure both will be running just fine. Tommy is just insecure about his purchase and about the Bronco stealing everyone else's show.
@@luisinhoens90 I know for a fact the Toyota will run fine, well past the 200,000 mile mark. I've got several vehicles with that same engine, well past the 200 K mark with nothing but an occasional burnt bulb. Now my Ford's on the other hand, not so reliable. A lot of small electrical issues, engine seals , turbos etc. My 17 year old has a Land Cruiser 200 with the 5.7, 220,000 miles and it runs like a top! We just changed the transmission filter, just for something to do last weekend. Its just like our 4Runner and FJ, perfect. I do have to say I have a Chevy Colorado 08, with 325,000. but, it's had it's issues and is on its last leg. Love em all!
@@melshingleton7865 every single Ford truck I’ve had has pushed over 200k miles no problem 😌
Great video and good review! The 4-Runner reminds me of my '07 Explorer Sport Trac in some ways - 4L V6, 5-speed, spare mounted underneath. Both have highly reliable drive trains. I suspect if you took the 4-Runner up the trail that stranded your Defender (conquered by the Bronco and Wrangler 4xe) it may not have fared as well, due to the large rocks and its 32" tires. When you need to drop the spare there tends to be a bunch of dirt and rust on the top side (which I know from experience) and the cable release can rust to the point of not releasing the spare. That happened on my chimney sweep's van in my driveway a few weeks ago. He ended up taking a sawzall to the chuck that held his spare up to get it to drop.
I saw a Bronco on the road the other day and noticed how far it looks like the mirrors stick out. Looked weird in person and now I cant unsee it.
My thoughts exactly after seeing it….it looked (with the top down) like a slab sided 4 door bathtub. I think it was better designed as a 2 door.
It is not a good looking vehicle, in my opinion.
@@bellasky83 some people prefer bland.
Great video. Just did this about 3-4 weeks ago in my 5th gen 4R. So cool being able to say "Hey, I've been to that exact spot on the trail!" Which one for me? Well, for me, I gotta think about how far I am from the trails. I'm in Dallas, so the closest place is about 4:00 or 4:30. Because of that time on the road, I fall to the 4R side. However, I might change my mind after the v2 Bronco comes out in a few years! A few little improvements here and there and it might even out a bit...but then we will be comparing to the 6th gen 4R!
Great video! I did Imogene Pass in my 3.5” lifted 2019 Honda Passport back in July and it was the most beautiful trail I’ve ever been on. Hope to see you guys at Overland Expo 🤞
I watch your vids! :-)
@@rockymountboy thanks 🙏. I’ve been watching TFL since 2012, and I thank them for the honest real world reviews.
Sounds like sneakers in the laundry. Spot on! I can never unhear that now.
That bronco has 3 (maybe 4) huge advantages over the 4 runner, so the results showed the Toyota pretty well.
1. Locking front diff
2. Detachable sway bar
3. Tire size
4. Tire tread design
5? The 10 spd tranny vs 5 spd
Throw larger and better tires on there and that would be a HUGE jump in off road performance. Huge.
-“Haven’t we tested the Toyota 4Runner off-road before?”
-“Yes. 52 times actually.”
-“ . . . . . . . . . “
-“Ugh. Look, this one is CEMENT color. This is important.”
EDIT: it’s been brought to my attention that this color is actually “Lunar Rock.” I’m not changing it.
There is no CEMENT color 4Runner in this video...
Moonrock
The color is lunar rock
I love your off road video. I can’t get enough of those Colorado views. I would like you to bring back the series where you go to mountain towns and trails like airplane wreckage.
Great video I am glad you showed where the 4runner shines. And it did not need a 10 speed transmission to get better gas mileage than the Ford. I love the powertrain in the 4runner. With proper maintenance it will last a very long time.
First of all I love you guys. I watch your channel because it does help me better understand the trucks and their capabilities before I buy. Now with all that said it's time for your show to start setting up these trucks with the same off road tires with like speaks so we can see who is best on road, mud, sand, rocks, gas mileage, tow and snow. I believe the only changes you would need to make are tires, close gearing and ride height. If you put ten to fifteen videos together showing these trucks in sand, mud, road, towing, rocks, milage and snow views like myself will be glued to your videos and most likely they will become most viewed... Thanks for reading and good luck guys... The Banks Family
So no one wants to discuss how Roman played Tommy when he said, “which you can’t do that in. Jeep by the way” 😂😂
Great video - I had an order for the bronco but canceled b/c of the 4R being bulletproof and i didnt want to have any Turbos much less 2 of them. Makes me feel good knowing my 4R can make it up these crazy places same as a Bronco - though i expect some places it would not do near as well. but thats years away.
Like an old shoe! Fits and is comfortable. Roman prefers the linguine mode. Great video Mica team. 👍👍👍
Imogene pass, honestly, is pretty easy. If you pick your lines well you could definitely do it in a Bronco Sport any maybe a Subaru. It you want a harder trail try Mineral Creek trail and then over Engineer pass. Try Black Bear pass, much of it is easy but the steps test flex and stability and the super tight switch backs test maneuverability. Test the Bronco rock crawling on the wall in Poughkeepsie Gulch.
Mud in Colorado is 2 inches of top soil with water on top. Mud in the Midwest is 2 feet deep of clay with a swamp on top!🤣🤣🤣
Facts! I'm from Kentucky and when our trails are muddy, it's quite the challenge considering it's basically all just clay.
You made me laugh when you said you went mudding that was just dirty water.
@@derekmorris2045 in the Midwest we consider that drinking water!😄😄😄
Guys. Your channel is bye far is the BEST one on RUclips for giving the BEST reviews out there. All of you at TFL do a tremendous service for the buying public. Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania
This is hands down my favorite trail that I have done! I was able to make it our to CO this past July and was able to knock out a few badge of honor trails. Great video as always!
How long does it take?
@@DUNEATV We took our time and stopped a few times (to see the old mines and lunch), we did it in a little over 4 hours.
@@BradKoester Was that 4 hours total up and down?
You guys keep mentioning the price of that First Edition Bronco in your comparisons, but you can get the Badlands edition with the 2.7L V6 and the 10 Speed Auto for $49,575.00... You can also get it with the Mid Pkg. for $51k or go for that 12" Screen, getting the High Pkg. for just $52.3k. Or go all out adding both the Sasquatch and High Packages for $54.8k. So at that price you can either get essentially the same Bronco that you had there at $54k, or that Toyota 4-Runner for $52k.
You hit the nail right on the head. Lots of people complaining about the Bronco price, but fail to realize there are much cheaper versions which can be as capable as you need them to.
@@luisinhoens90 Exactly. I have the Outer Banks 2.3L with Auto Trans. on order with the Rear Locker, Aux., High Pkg. and a few other upgrades for $46k. Or, If you're fine with the 8" screen you can go with a Big Bend starting at $35k or the Black Diamond starting a $38k. Both really good options, especially with a few upgrades.
@@PicklerEntertainment I'm digging for the Black Diamond with the 7 spd manual, but I'm not in the market right now. I'm thinking about getting a pre-owned one in 3-4 years
I agree with Tommy. If I had to buy one, 4Runner all day, but the Bronco sure would be a fun lease.
I’m looking to get a 2022 Off road and cancelled my Bronco reservation just before they opened up the build and I’m glad I did as all these problems are surfacing. It does look cool but from what everyone is saying the MPG is the same for both.
I can’t wait to mod my 4Runner.
Drove my wrangler sport from Niagara Falls ny all the way to Colorado just to do this pass. Did over 90% of it in rwd. Over all amazing and would do it again.
Tommy really doesnt want to give any credit to the Bronco. Love you videos.
Good video. Bronco is very impressive. Ford nailed it. Ford has really shined with their off road vehicles. As Americans venture out to remote areas more than ever!
But Toyota us tried and true. Great job guys!
I think this would have been more apples to apples if you would have used a Bronco with similar tire sizes. Biggest part of what I seen was tire size differences.
Now let’s see that bronco go 500,000+ miles😆
As a 4Runner owner, I don’t agree with you. There’s good in both vehicles. That’s like when people compare the 4Runner to a Jeep. The Jeep is an offroad monster and the 4Runner is ok at best when rock crawling. Everything has their place.
I bet an sr5 4runner could do this trail just fine. I would love to see how the suspension goes in a pre-runner situation.
Thats true. My sr5 build can do that without any issue. Just atrac😉 and you all good
I got an SR5 with an emu 3.5 lift suspension and I have 33s on them and I don't think I ever got stuck yet.
The quality of this video is movie like, excellent job!
The Bronco engine compartment looks like the plumbing section at the hardware store. 😄
You left off the "after a 1,000 pound bomb went off in the tool department and made the whole place a jumbled mess."
@@jerroldshelton9367 😄
Tommy very smart at the end by choosing the 4RN AND just renting the Junkco I mean Bronco.
I love both for what they are.
I love both. I had the choice, I went with the pedigree for longevity in the runner pro. It also gave me a bigger flat back to sleep in as I can’t use a rooftop and sometimes don’t want to set a ground tent. The atrak and crawl control gets me everywhere I want to go that would use lockers for on the front.
TFL, i love all the videos. I have a ‘20 4Runner and my girlfriend has an ‘08 FJ and she asks every time we watch a video…..
Do you hate trailing your FJ cruiser???? We never see it out of the garage for any good comparisons! I’d love to see how the new vs old compares and if A-trac + a rear locker on stock tires are enough to keep up with the Bronco….
More FJ content please!!
They are more worried about making a profit once they sell it rather than get any scratches on it or off road it anymore besides a few dirt hills.
The FJ videos are scarce because it’s not competitive with the Bronco & Wrangler. Toyota discontinued the FJ, because it’s outdated & suffers from an anemic powetrain: same transmission as the Tacoma, which is horrid.
I just ran Black Bear Pass a few days ago in a Wrangler Rubicon. I would like to see how "easily" these IFS vehicles handle The Steps, e.g. what the "pucker factor" is. We had to spot a 4Runner driver we came up to through them because he was stopped and afraid to try them without a spotter, after seeing images and video of quite a few IFS vehicles on their sides here. No big deal to spot him, but the solid front axle and disconnecting sway bar in the Wrangler made The Steps no big deal.
My JL on 37's averaged 19.9mpg driving from Dallas to Las Vegas and back about 3 months ago. Imogene isn't really a test of offroad ability. Last time we did it we saw a Chrysler Town and Country minivan on Imogene...they did the whole trail. It is just a dirt road.
No it didn’t , why do have to lie to make yourself seem cool. If it’s true post a video bob.
The Toyota rear locker engages a lot faster if you're not driving straight with even traction on each tire. The only reason it isn't engaging is because the diff isn't lined up correctly and you need to either lose traction on one tire or turn to allow one wheel to spin farther.
That's not to discredit the speed of the bronco locker though.
Its great that the new bronco matches the 11 year old Toyota. That TRD is still a great suv.
The amount of information I’ve gotten from TFK is just amazing. Always positive videos, and I’m always happen when a new one came out. I have a new 2021 Rubicon (2 door) coming in shortly, I’m going to have to get to Colorado and try this trail looks beautiful
Current 4Runner owner and future Bronco owner here. Great video! Obviously these are not direct competitors, but it's a good analysis for someone on the fence about what off road vehicle they feel meets their needs.
If you trade a 4 runner in for a Ford you must really hate yourself and your money lol
@@yourlame9795 if you make a lame comment on someone else’s comment that serves no purpose just to make you feel better, you must be an insecure troll
@@BirdDogOffRoadAdventures but he’s not really wrong though…
@@jimbob8701 it’s a subjective opinion. I’ve owned many Fords and Toyota’s in my life, without any issues. Chrysler products on the other hand…
@@BirdDogOffRoadAdventures Everything is nice when they're new but everyone knows that in terms of reliability there's no comparison.
Bronco is an excellent off-roader that happens to be able to go on the road, whereas 4Runner is a very, very good off-roader that’s also very, very good on the road. Sorta splitting hairs, but also both are great for very different use cases. Which one is best for you just depends on how you plan to use it.
Great video! I bought a new TRD Pro last February and have been very happy with the overall versatility of the truck. It's perfect for my needs. Both the TRD Pro and the Bronco are very impressive.
Oh yeah! You guys did it again one of the best videos I have watched here on RUclips keep it up tfl
5 years later...
Bronco at shop for repairs and recalls
4runner at your home holding its resale value
Toyotas break to dude dont kid yourself
quote of the trip Roman- "I have basically the same thing. I have a little Bronco crawling over a linguini noodle." Best description of a button label I have heard so far. lol
The fuel mileage, I'm impressed that the 4 Runner did that well.
Me 2...mine gets like 17 at best on the hwy
I want an overland vehicle and I think a SR5 with a couple upgrades like shocks and tires is the way to go for me. More storage and comfort by far
I’m impressed with the mpg of both vehicles. Great off road video guys.
I have 3rd gen 4runner 21 years and still does what it does in off roads trips I live in El Salvador and there's a lot of dust and mood and the most reliable vehicle for Salvadorans is Toyota if you ever come outside the cities what you'll see mostly us 4runner, Tacoma, and Toyota Hilux diesels.
Nice video guys.
The 4runner is far more dependable, it will take you there and back with no problems
You guys have the best job. Seeing Colorado from your videos makes me want to move there.
Before i watch the video..i'll take the 4runner. In 20 years it will be worth something..the bronco will be in a junkyard.
Man, the Bronco’s motor looks like it’s going to be a real pain in the ass to repair when stuff starts to break as it ages. All those hoses!
The Toyota will be ultimately more reliable in the long run
Another person who knows the future... NOT!
History tends to repeat itself.
@@jerad4336 History has nothing to do with new technology.
@Supercreech If you are speaking of the 4runner, I agree. The Bronco is in a class with Jeep Wrangler and Land Rover Defender; the 4runner is not there.
I bet the p/s will go out in that 4runner at about 30k miles. They tend to fail.
I have 2016 Tacoma TRD off-road. The first thing I did was undercoat the frame and check it yearly. I live in the northeast and so far no issues with rust. Keep and eye on it and do some basic maintenance and you won't have a problem with frame rust.