@@piotrswat169shaq to be honest would live in pick and rolls they'd just keep him on the perimeter and bury them with 3s it would be a greats series but I don't think Shaq as great as he is would be what would beat the warriors
Yall cried for half a decade about how overpowered and unfair the warriors were just to call draymond crazy when he says they were the best team ever. Switch up is wild.
@@CWZimba there are people to this day who say that Kevin Durant’s warriors rings don’t count because of how outrageous and unfair it was for him to play with them. No other all time team is remembered in that light to the degree that they are
@@patrick05Morgan in fairness it's aimed specifically at Kevin for joining a 73 win team. Steph, klay and draymond are openly acknowledged for having 4 ships
@@CWZimba you’d be surprised how many people target Steph curry and call his championships fraudulent, yet almost every single all time great had great help as well.
The 01 lakers shot 15 threes a game. The 2017 warriors shot over 30 a game. The Lakers made 36% of their threes. The warriors shot TWICE AS MANY at a HIGHER PERCENTAGE. When it comes to defending Shaq, it's not about one guy. It's about having the right COLLECTION of personnel. Javale McGee is one part of the equation. So is Zaza, David West, and Draymond. Every guy is putting in effort. Also, the argument that the Lakers in 01 ran an offense closer to a modern day offense in the playoffs is ludicrous. They ran at a pace of 92 possessions per 48 minutes that postseason. The 2017 warriors ran at a 100 possession pace. The lakers shot around 16 threes a game that postseason making 38.6%. the warriors in 2017 shot DOUBLE the amount and hit THE SAME PERCENTAGE. The lakers shot with a true shooting percentage of 54.2%. the 17 warriors were OVER 60%. And somehow, despite playing at a slower pace, the lakers in the 01 playoffs committed more personal fouls per game too. But really, the biggest fallacy is thinking you could compare what anyone in 01 was doing schematically on offense and defense with what the warriors were doing at their peak. The warriors motion offense was something that had never been executed at that level to that degree with that level of talent. And the warriors were a big part of popularizing switching on defense, especially in regards to paying attention to the percentages of different players. The warriors simply have way more talent, and that talent is running a more nuanced and complex system of basketball than basically anything that the Lakers had ever seen. And the teams that actually played well against Shaq and kobes lakers actually had many things in common with the 17 warriors. The 01 bucks had high level perimeter scoring in Ray Allen and Glen Robinson. The Sacramento kings ran a high pace offense with a big in chris Webber that could make high level reads as a passer, similar to Draymond. The pistons had movement shooters in Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups, along with a pick and pop forward in Rasheed Wallace. The warriors have Kevin Durant doing the pick and pop.
@@thetrib1 EXACTLY! Like, all he really has to do is pick and pop and it creates so many issues. Rasheed Wallace TORCHED the Lakers on those actions, and it would be bread and butter for the warriors in that matchup. Not to mention, KD could turn it into off the dribble creation
Another thing nobody ever talks about is how a near 400 pound Shaq is supposed to keep up with the high speed basketball that is played today. Yes the Lakers will try to force gs to play their pace but what team ever did that to them in their prime? The fouls are a great point as well, Shaq would not be on the court for as much as LA would need him to be. Plus again, that revolutionary motion offense would be far too complex and disciplined for LA to stop. I don’t get why it’s so hard to believe that the greatest team of all time would simply be too well coached and too talented when not even a prime lebron james and kyrie Irving could take more than a game and got blown out regularly
Both you and green keep mixing and matching players from different years. Bogut wasn’t on the 2017 warriors. Here’s how the 17 gsw vs 01 lakers would really go down. Curry, thompson, Durant would all be shooting about 42+% from 3 because they’ll eat on DHO’s, p&r’s, and pin downs because shaq could not and would not ever leave the basket defensively. That’s wide open 3’s all game for 3 of the 15 best shooters ever all in their peaks. They’d also be eating in transition offensively with curry and thompson spreading the lakers to the 3 point line with Durant, igoudala or Livingston handling and getting clear paths to the basket. They’ll always have the advantage because shaq was so lazy and slow to get back. If the lakers decided to switch instead of giving up open shots all game, Durant would just cook smaller guys like fisher in the mid range all game, and curry would cook bigger slower guys like grant and fox on the perimeter. Defensively, GS will just double shaq with ZAZA on him and KD, green or igoudala doubling down. That’s a big body and then another wing with extremely long arms. Other 3 GSW defenders zone up on the lakers shooters and can recover easily when shaq passes out. They’ll also have pachulia, McGee and west use up all 15 of their available fouls through out the game by hacking shaq where he’ll then shoot about 48% from the line. They’ll also have Durant, thompson and igoudala taking turns on Bryant. Kerr will instruct them all to say certain things to feed into his ego and have him ruin the lakers offense by forcing up BS shots and go into iso/1 on 1 shot jacking mode. Those 3 guys will stay fresh by taking turns on him and Bryant will shoot about 40% from the field, take a bunch of heavily contested long 2’s, and ruin LA’s chances by trying to play hero ball instead of getting the ball to shaq on the block. Lakers probably get 2 games. Warriors in 6.
That is a pretty biased assessment. I think a lot is sensible about how the Warriors play, but let’s not pretend anybody is guarding Shaq. And even if they are doubling and forcing a pass out, he’s a good passer. His team largely is not as universally skilled/talented as the Warriors, but this have guys who hit their shots. I think it’s fair to say that the Warriors have the advantage based on better offense
@@Jonathan-A.C. what did I say that was biased? I ever said anybody on their team could guard shaq. I said they’d use their 3 big bodies and 3 long wings to double him every time so that he’d have to pass out. If he didn’t pass out then he’d likely have to commit an offensive foul. I also said they’d have their guys use 15+ fouls in order to send shaq to the line rather than having him play 1 on 1, and shaq was obviously a terrible FT shooter. I never said he wasn’t a good passer, but the warriors other 3 defenders would easily zone up on the lakers 4 other players, especially with a non 3pt shooter like grant or guys who shot 32% and 31% from 3 in the playoffs like Bryant and fox. Once O’Neal passes out to the perimeter, golden state would easily rotate back and recover to stop a potential drive, or force fox or Bryant into a heavily contested 3. It would be different if fox and Bryant were 38% 3pt shooters and GS couldn’t afford to leave them open, or if GS didn’t have the defensive personnel to recover after a double team, but they did. I still think the lakers would get a game or 2, so I’m not disrespecting them.
@@tonj02 Well I think even then, it’s underrated Shaq’s pure physical dominance, although that’s not to say he didn’t throw the elbows pretty often. I also think it’s underrating his passing ability, because at good passer will have a solid chance to reach other teammates if they themselves. And even if it’s gonna be pressure on the perimeter, I’m sure they’d sub in the Lakers who can shoot better (which I still think would result in better Warriors offense, but it’s not from them being directly countered).
Its wild that you glossed over Shaq basically saying his answer for guarding Klay or Curry when they drive to the rim is to foul them hard as fuck. Not even gonna talk about how thats basically saying the only way for him to guard them is to break the rules.
Lol yeah...I'm sure Shaq will get Draymond and Bogut in foul but at the same time Steph will get Shaq in foul trouble too. If he's not killing them with the floaters that is.
It also means you never actually watched Shaq play therefore you are disqualified from entering this discussion. Hard fouls were normal back then as it discouraged players from driving. Give them the freethrow but they wont want to take the next hit. Charles Oakley and Barkely also did that. In the 1980s, it was expected with teams like Bad Boy Pistons
@@CapnKrunk123as someone who tends to speak in hyperbole, your taking what he’s saying way too literally. He’s just using 9feet as a placeholder to make point that his wingspan is bigger on top of the fact he’s 7 inches taller.
11:15 “to be objective here” Then proceeds to lie and say that curry couldn’t create his own shot lmao Go look at the numbers, go look at the games with your eyes and you’ll see curry be one of if not the best shot creator in the league back then. This lie you keep telling that he couldn’t create his own shot until a few years ago is completely fabricated.
Fax, curry is a 6’2 non-athletic guard that routinely has averaged 30 while being guarded more intensely then arguably any other perimeter player ever, yet he somehow “wasn’t an elite shot creator.”
The warriors score so well they have the leeway to give up some good looks. Especially if its to take away some great ones. Shaq is the only person on that team who can score efficiently enough to keep up with them. So focusing on keeping the ball out of his hands at the expense giving up some looks to less inefficient/lower volume scorers is a great plan. And its not like he's steph, running around 50 screens to get the ball. 90% of the time hes just gonna be standing next to the paint with his arm up. Not exactly a hard read.
@@Kosithegod Yes that's a much better argument. But Draymond Green was talking nonsense. The problem with the last part of your comment is that no one the Warriors is strong enough to stay in front of Shaq, he will get the ball whenever he wants to.
@@Kosithegod yeah I guess fuck Kobe? Who shot 48% from the field in the best defensive years of the leagues only shaq would be an elite scoring option though right? 🤣🤣
@@taxationistheft7 Kobe, Steph and KD have overlap y'know. And even in their rookie/sophomore/third seasons (09-11ish, when Kobe was still in championship form btw) they were putting up more efficient scoring seasons. KD in his second year was on par volume wise but MORE efficient in the same league at the same time as an end of prime Kobe... in his second year... And only got waaaay better by his warriors days. Kobe is an all time tough shot maker but every shot he takes is worth less than 1 point (that's what eFG% calculates, eg. 48%efg * 2 = 0.96points per shot), and every shot Steph, Klay & KD shoot gets you close to 1.14 - 1.2 points (efg% 57-60 when they played together). So by the end of a 100 possession game that's a blow out. The only person who can match that production at volume is Shaq, who at his absolute peak got you 1.15-1.25 points per shot. Every other person shooting the ball at volume is advantageous to the warriors. Shaq taps out at like 40ppg a game MAX so where are you getting the other 70-80 points at a better efficiency than the warriors?
@@King_Boo_5shaq isn’t beating a team by himself. who’s stopping curry, klay and kd? curry is either getting open threes off of drop in p&r or cooking any unswitchable big one on one. the warriors made small ball effective because when every player can dribble and shoot switchability becomes one of the most important traits in a defender.
lol that’s what everyone said in 04 when they face the lakers and they still won. Pistons matchup well to the warriors. They have prince who is lanky like kd, Wallace who was quick and athletic at the 5, stretch 4 in sheed and a good 2 way back court and they played as a unit
@@patrick05Morgan i told a dude if the warriors could only score for 3 quarters and none of thier baskets in the fourth counted theyd still win. Old head almost lost his mind. 😂
Neither of those teams would be able to guard each other so it would come down to who is gonna out offense the other, and if its the 2017 version of the warriors man i still got them😭. Kd steph and klays shooting and offense is crazy, shaq would dominate and kobe would be stressing klay and iggy out tho. Shaq would be the best player in the series but idk thay 2017 warriors team was cheating man
The Warriors will be in easy foul trouble just trying to stop Shaq alone. Warriors will have to make their 3s at superhuman efficiency to even offset Shaq's 2s. Nobody on that Warriors squad can defend 01 Shaq alone.
@@y2shuproblem you probably started watching nba in 2020 but before that time the 3 best players of that geneation were lebron james, steph curry and kevin durant insanely talented players unstoppable on offense and two of them joined forces
This isn’t prime draymond.. no big dominated prime draymond. Boogie, AD, Duncan, Lamarcus.. none of them.. they not shaq but he’d do a number on him like barkley and Rodman did.. draymond is an all time defender
@@OffTopicKamah He is a top 5 defender of his generation. But he would get cooked by Shaq and Giannis in a playoff series. He's too small and not strong enough to guard them. Green is 6'5 with a decent wings span.
I mean GSW has nobody that could stop Shaq, but Lakers doesn`t have enough to stop Curry, Klay and KD. i would personally say that GSW would win, but in the end these are just hypothetical talks so it doesn`t mean anything.
@@tj2nasty4ya83 Even without KD the Warriors were way too offensively stacked. Not to mention that if you take that 01 Lakers team out of their era you genuinely have to worry about the officiating due to shaq. If the refs are calling it like they do today then the Lakers have 0% chance of winning. Shaq would be in foul trouble and trying to guard Curry in space all night. If the refs are calling it like its 2000, the warriors still have the advantage by being able to be extra physical when screening for Curry or Draymond would be able to be extra physical when trying to get under Shaq's skin. The warriors are just a bad match up for the 01 Lakers.
Claiming that Rick fox and Derek fisher would consistently make enough threes to offset Klay and Curry is wild. The Warriors’ offense is simply to overwhelming and they win the series.
If you think you can go over steph screens in drop at 30 ft you crazy. He’s taking one big dribble to the line and pulling. He shoots that at 40%+ easily. That’s a 120 offensive rating. Then you have KD and Klay spotting up if you send help. No one has ever been able to slow Steph below 70% ts without switching or doubling.
I honestly think the Warriors should do what teams back then did with Shaq. You throw your biggest guy at him and slow his walk into the restricted area. You could also double on the catch and try to force Shaq to pass. While yes, they had quality shooters, the Warriors are living with Robert Horry and Rick Fox taking 10 3pt shots per game. Kobe will likely get his 25 to 30 also. On the other end, I worry about the Lakers' inability to switch on offball screens. Even modern teams with faster, longer defenders struggle with switching against the prime Warriors. Durant's production will likely match Kobe's and Curry will be taking wide open 3pt shots on the drop coverage, not mid range, because they can always set the screen higher. Shaq is gonna get exposed just like Rudy if they start forcing switches when Fisher can't get around the screens fast enough. The Warriors will win the series because the Lakers are the ideal of a dated strategy that has clear flaws relative to modern strategies. The talent of Kobe and Shaq will have to carry them, and I don't know if that's reliable given the trouble they will have defensively.
The warriors if we're being honest would probably be the best defense they've faced when you consider how good the warriors defense is with how difficult it is to guard offenses today because of the spacing and talent level. Iggy would be at the top of best defender guarding kobe, and dray would be near the top of best help defender, and he also has switch ability. And that's their defense. Steph shoots comfortably from 40 and Durant and klay from 30. That is so gross
@@thetrib1 2017 gsw best team I ever seen thats when all were in there prime and kd just came to win a ring with no ego. Most supertstasr play heliocentric steph and kd played in the system which made it so deadly.
The only problem with this is that you can't lock up Kobe. So they have to game plan with the objective of slowing down Shaq and see where it takes them.
Exactly my point. People are nostalgic and don't realize Shaq built his own mythology by being the most present in the media. Orlando's Shaq didn't magically became dominant Lakers Shaq: he was powerful but slower, he just had better back-up, and how many teams knew how to keep Shaq in line? Half of them, and I'm not speaking of hack a shaq. Better centers, good PFs could. And for teams who couldn't, many could stop the pass before Shaq got the ball. This whole debate is moot because of two points: 1- former player NBA analysts built a narrative around their playing importance 2- you can't do like coaching wouldn't count and make a 1 on 1 list.
Less threes, more freethrows like a 1960s era game. Look at how 2024 Lakers' less threes affecting their freethrow percentage. At today's pacing, 2001 Lakers would do that to a greater degree
I think the Durant warriors would win, curry draymond pick and roll shaq gonna be in drop and if he plays up curry will get down hill. The warriors were so dominant they were resting most 4th quarters cause it was almost always a blow out I think It’s a great matchup tho 7 games i’m taking the dubs
We have to be real about how the warriors play style is. It’s demoralizing to see guys shooting from 30 feet plus. Running around the entire game and not missing a beat. They literally don’t stop moving. Then they got a scoring machine in KD who has never been seen before. And we’re forgetting about Demarcus Cousins being on their team at one point, along with Draymond. Honestly the team is just to good. Then we’re forgetting the crowd factor of the playoff atmosphere. The warriors go on incredible runs and make shots that just rip your heart out. Good defense and all and he still makes it. That’s just hard to play against haven’t even went over bench players either.. It’ll be a tough series but I’m thinking 6 games at best out of respect for Kobe and Shaq.
These comments salvage it for me . I remember when the ‘17 Warriors were in comparison to the ‘96 Bulls, now a convo against the ‘01 Lakers sounds like impossible odds 😂! Recency bias at its finest
Shaq against the Nets with 0 bigs as you said averaged 36 on 64% True shooting. For the entire 2017 playoff run Steph averaged 66% TS and KD averaged 68% TS. Both of them were more efficient than all time Shaq in the Finals against BBQ chicken. Warriors win, straight up. Edit: also the Warriors had a lower defensive rating that season than the Lakers had. A lower defensive rating in 2017 than a team in 2001. Come on now
I thinko our(Warriors fan speaking) best bet would be to try and do what the Pistons did in 04. Let Shaq get his and go balls out trying to stop Kobe and trust that the other guys wouldn’t knock down enough 3s to counter our production at the other end as well as do what Dray said out Shaq constant action and never let him rest to get him tired and in foul trouble. There’s a lot of realities where the Lakers win but I’m going to wit the 2017 Dubs more times than not. Too much fire power on our side.
Draymond literally said he couldn’t stop Shaq. His point was about disruption and giving a different set of issues and challenges. Se have to go for what we know. Now as for rules we can do a hybrid model of the rules, but the teams essentially use their normal rotations and modifications to gameplan. This is not rocket science and it’s not all about analytics. Them Lakers would get Killed! That 17 team functions alot like that Sacramento team Lakers struggled with and our group was superior in all aspects outside of C webb of course. We would torch they ass
What's funny about it? Prime klay was a very good defender. I know nobody is stopping kobe but nether are they going to stop Klay, KD, and Curry at the same time.. cause even if you fully lock one of them.. you'll do nothing but create more opportunities for the others
IMO, Dubs in 6. Even though Shaq would be the best player on that court and he probably would average about 34 and 12 and Kobe would get his, they would be trading 2s with the best 3pt shooting team of all time. Too much firepower, they wouldn't be able to score enough to keep up.
We have to take the nostalgia glasses off. The 2017 Warriors are not losing to the 01 Lakers or any other team. Acting like Javalenane Bogut aren’t genuine 7 foot bigs that are certainly on the level of most bigs of that era is crazy. Shaq isn’t an auto-win button, we saw Shaq almost get swept by a Jazz team that started Gregg Ostertag in 1997. We saw them actually sweep them in 1998 where Van Exel and Eddie Jones were Allstars and Horry was already on the team, already Big shot Bob with Finals experience next to Hakeem in Houston. Yes they got significantly better-but you’re not stopping the Warriors. The only team that even had a remote shot in their run did it by hitting 1000 threes.
6:45 Actually the math is kinda mathing. Hypothetically lets just say the Lakers all shot only 100 2s at 55% and GS shot 100 only 3s at 37% then He would win by 1. But this just hypotheticals not including the other factors in the game.
Warriors in 6. Shaq is a mismatch but he was never in the shape to be able to maintain a 7 game setup of the highest efficiency of all time required to out offense the 2017 warriors
Also warriors were a great defensive team so to think shaq would have the greatest series he’s ever had which is what’s required to beat 2017 warriors.. you are lying to yourself
@@tj2nasty4ya83 I don’t agree with draymond there.. Zaza was a dirty hard nose player that wouldn’t back down to shaq.. Jokic is a better offensive player and he’s struggled with great defenses. Why would I think shaq is ungameplannable when he lacks any deep playoff success with penny, kobe, and shaq.
Let’s not forget shaq got swept 5 different times in his career before he won his first chip…. 94 vs Indiana 0-3 95 vs Houston 0-4 96 vs Chicago 0-4 98 vs Utah 0-4 99 vs Spurs 0-4 The one that stands out for me would b 96 bulls… A top tier defensive team but in terms of bigs they had Rodman at the 4 and Luc Longley…. That’s practically the same as Draymond and Bogut/Zaza/Javele.. in terms of bigs to defend shaq
The only problem I have with this is that it's assuming that the only way Steph can get off a shot is when Draymond sets a screen. That's just one way. Steph can move off ball and get open. He can straight up mix anyone in front of him to get to his floaters or stepbacks. There's multiple ways he can hurt you.
Facts, Warriors play WAY TOO fast. Three players that can go for 40+ any given night. More versatile defenders, and an offensive scheme that’s more free flowing. 5 shooters with the death line up. Dubs in 5 or six.
If its 2017 warriors then they are winning in 6 imo. Shaq will get his but when they are forcing shaq to move and be active while still hitting shots with kd curry,or klay not to mention they have the better bench as well.Then for defense you arent stopping shaq but Kobe will have Iggy,klay,and Kd trying to stop him while doubling with curry or dray playing passing lanes.
I just love to hear a Hofer and a future Hofer having a public conversation that's usually happens in private. Remember the MJ and Wilt conversation during the first 50 greatest players ceremony.
@@albinbergvall9112shaq from 1998-2002 was unstoppable. Also adding the context that the 2000s were the most defensive slowest paced era in history. Yes, Shaq was unstoppable
@@albinbergvall9112accounting for pacing, Shaq would average near 40 in an NBA playoffs today. Maybe 50 in an NBA finals. If you dont want to account for pacing, Luka Doncic is better than Lebron James ever was due to stats and numbers
i like how he ONLY talked about Klay playing defense like he doesnt shoot the ball😂. and gone say steph wasnt a shot creator but averaged 28/6/6 that playoff run and 27/9/8 in the finals 🤦🏾♂️
@@jor-dan650 he said pick ANY of them, that doesn’t mean you pick the players from ALL of them LMAO. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Lakers threepeat core of players pretty much the same? Fisher, Kobe, Horry, Fox, and Shaq? The 2015 squad had Harrison Barnes and Andrew Bogut, the 17 to 19 teams had KD, David West, a bunch of other guys too. I’m assuming Dray is picking one team, probably the 17 Warriors but he’s picking and choosing which players from the whole five year window of 15-19.
Kobe actually broke down in an interview before he died about how his Shaq/Kobe Lakers would beat the 17 Warriors. It’s pretty good honestly, how he would slow down the game and limit the Warriors offensive possessions, then no one on that GSW team could guard Prime Shaq in the paint.
Sounds good 😂😂😂 I think it would be an interesting series just based on the fact that both teams have significant advantages at different positions. Neither the 17 Warriors nor 01 Lakers have ever played a team quite like the other.
“Slow down the game” literally every team tried that shit against those warriors and it simply didn’t work . Their offense was too stacked and had too much motion
@@mookiestewart3776exactly. This is what every single team in the league tried to do. The Houston rockets literally built their entire team around slowing the game down through long offensive possessions and shooting copious amounts of free throws.
I remember that 01 run vividly. Simply because I hated the lakers and wanted them to lose so bad. It’s was BFish, BShaw, Horry and RFox that were all knock down. If you collapsed the paint on Kobe, he kicked it out- boom, 3. You double or triple Shaq and he kicked it out, boom 3. Grant was money from the mid range. Them dudes weren’t missing and they ran through quality competition in 01 in route to the finals and it was just flat out crazy. They had a winning streak if I’m not mistaken that started like 2 or 3 weeks before the playoffs even began. Which was just flat out nuts.
no one's stopping klay no matter who you have on him, putting the best or second best defender on klay will lose them the game because klay doesn't need to dribble to get his shot off so all he needs is a screen and a little space to get his shot off and hes good. they cant leave steph one on one and will have to chase him and klay around screens which will more than likely tire them out. they had one of if the not best mid range shooters in shaun livingston. they still had iggy who could defend, klay was a pretty good defender at that time, and i almost forgot they have kd. no ones stopping steph klay or kd. they're gonna need to double someone and if they choose kd or curry well klay is just gonna have a field day and knock down shots all night. dont get me wrong warriors dont have anyone that can stop shaq or kobe but they can do things that can make shaq innefective like obviously hack a shaq, forcing him to get out side of the paint with switching. warriors were not a small team either they had alot of big bodies on their team, besdies curry they had about 13 players who were like 6'6 or taller. two mid range demons in livingston and kd, then steph, klay, kd lighting up from downtown
I swear to god, Shaq loves these hypotheticals because he can sit there stroking himself the entire conversation. That being said, Shaq is definitely gonna devour their defense.
Tye Lue would certainly light them up from behind the arc with his 38% on less than one attempt per game. Jesus! I sometimes feel like people pick and choose to act as if players of the past all had shooting skills on par with Curry, but just chose not to use them, to make it a bit more interesting and to get clotheslined in the paint a bit more. Come on!
Did Shaq just suggest playing a drop against the greatest shooter ever? Even if it’s not 3s Steph curry might be able to keep up with Shaq layups efficiency off of straight free throw line jumpers. Once the lakers realize that and send help that’s when you get people like klay and kd involved and they start making threes. Also I don’t think people understand that Shaq can’t play the whole game especially with the amount he would have to move to guard the warriors motion offense. And if he does play the whole game then by game 3 max he’s completely tired and now Kobe is spending time on the floor by himself and Kobe isn’t anywhere near enough to compete with that warriors team. Also I didn’t even mention the fact that the lakers don’t have enough great perimeter defenders to have a great defender on BOTH klay and kd. Klay didn’t have to show it, but klay is a legitimate scoring option that can go for 30 any given night when you put a weak defender on him. With all due respect I think that the lakers pull the first two, but from there the warriors sweep. Overall warriors in 6
00-02 Shaq is yamming on Draymond and Bogut like Chris Dudley, 40/20 average Finals MVP, Klay not locking Kobe, Fisher can bother Curry enough, Durant would have to go nuclear on Kobe, Horry, and Fox. Warriors get hot and steal 1, gentlemen's sweep.
Fisher would get bitched by Curry you are fcking tripping. Curry dropping 50 on his head on single coverage. They gonna have to double Curry and that means open shots for GSW
@@crystalizedExposed Rick fox can’t guard KD and d fish can’t hold curry Klay can’t guard Kobe but Kobe won’t give him 40. Also GS bench is wayyy too deep.
@@crystalizedExposed Didn't you hear LOW's breakdown? Shaq and Kobe had such a high true shooting percentage, unless Warriors shot their best, they couldn't match LA. #8 Kobe absolutely dogging Curry, and had the athleticism to stay with Durant on switches. Horry was 6'10", Fox was quick and 6'7" to at least make KD work.
The problem with the Lakers vs the Warriors… the Warriors bench was outscoring everyone’s bench, as great as the lakers were, their bench was no comparable
“Ain’t nobody gaurding Kobe” 😂😂Kobe can be guarded they must’ve forgot about them shackles tayshaun prince put on him. Man did his best Andy dufresne impression ,that boy got clamped im talking bout Attica sing sing clamps 😂😂😂
Would genuinely just like to hear Low’s thoughts on making some bracket of the greatest teams of all time. Don’t think the result is some revelation (2001 Lakers or 2017 Warriors lol) but would really be interested in hearing him breakdown match ups like 1986 Celtics vs 1996 Bulls or 2013 (?) Miami and stuff
I’m sorry but the warriors are winning. They will quit literally bend them over. They play much quicker. Due to era. Shaq could have 50 and it’s because they let him. He can’t space the floor. Kobe would have to be aggressively attacking every play on curry and klay
all i know is that if it's 16 gsw vs 01 lakers than it's a seven game heater but warriors pull it out. it's pure hypothetical but cmon that warriors team wouldnt be fair in any time period
40% from 3 is 60% from 2s. Even if Kobe and shaq go insane and go above and beyond what they normally do curry (who played against teams that prepared and built to contend with the warriors perimeter threats) shot 42% from 3, Kevin Durant shot 44%, and Klay 39% from 3. Since you pointed out how shaq would do better against a team who didn’t have personnel to guard shaq, I think it is fair to say that the warriors would have a considerable and larger increase in their production compared to the lakers production. 44% from 3 is equivalent to 66% from the field which is considerably less sustainable. Also saying Robert Horry shot 36.2% from 3 in 2001 which is basically below average to today’s game. Basically warriors would not be able to stop shaq and Kobe, they would definitely get their buckets, but the warriors are just offensively better than them. If Shaq and Kobe do not produce 66% fg% every single game, warriors will simply outpace them.
I think you put kd in front of shaq and bogut behind. You're not going to stop him, to just need to make the entry as difficult as possible. Try to encourage kobe to shoot 3s, otherwise he cooking klay too. Defensively is where you get the Lakers in trouble. Draymond runs the offense from the top, and make bogut set screens. This brings shaq up, or he's on KD getting cooked. Keep running them too, because when shaq goes out, the Lakers are vulnerable. Kobe can't guard them all.
Just to add to your point about the efficiency difference. I would look at the 7 game series that Golden State had against the rockets as a better indicator of how they would perform against the Lakers. KD had a 59% TS and Steph had a 57% TS. That's not efficient enough to stop Kobe and Shaq.
What’s so funny is that LOW brings up KD but Draymond isn’t even talking about that team cuz Bogut wasn’t even on that team. He was in 2019 but Bogut wouldn’t be back line in that scenario it’ll be Boogie (if everyone’s healthy) other than that Bogut was never on a team when KD was on it so KD isn’t even on the team that he’s referencing😂😂
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I like the confidence from Draymond, tho😭😭🤣
"I wasn't on the court tho"
Shaq was a force of nature.Dray would cry.
@@piotrswat169shaq to be honest would live in pick and rolls they'd just keep him on the perimeter and bury them with 3s it would be a greats series but I don't think Shaq as great as he is would be what would beat the warriors
Man said “Klay couldn’t even stay in front of Kyrie” like Kyrie isn’t perhaps the hardest player to ever in stay in front of😂😂
Fr he'd prob do a lil better against kobe lol
3s are more than 2s simple as that. Warriors in 6
Thats the point. If u think kyrie more skilled than Kobe ur bugging. Kobe doing everything Kyrie doing AND he banging on you any chance he gets
@@XEVN7 Kobe didnt have anything close to the handle Kyrie has
@@XEVN7 genuinely delusional take
Yall cried for half a decade about how overpowered and unfair the warriors were just to call draymond crazy when he says they were the best team ever. Switch up is wild.
@@patrick05Morgan this the comment right here! NBA fans be dumb as hell
Relative to their competition, yes. All time? There's a debate
@@CWZimba there are people to this day who say that Kevin Durant’s warriors rings don’t count because of how outrageous and unfair it was for him to play with them. No other all time team is remembered in that light to the degree that they are
@@patrick05Morgan in fairness it's aimed specifically at Kevin for joining a 73 win team. Steph, klay and draymond are openly acknowledged for having 4 ships
@@CWZimba you’d be surprised how many people target Steph curry and call his championships fraudulent, yet almost every single all time great had great help as well.
The 01 lakers shot 15 threes a game. The 2017 warriors shot over 30 a game. The Lakers made 36% of their threes. The warriors shot TWICE AS MANY at a HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
When it comes to defending Shaq, it's not about one guy. It's about having the right COLLECTION of personnel. Javale McGee is one part of the equation. So is Zaza, David West, and Draymond. Every guy is putting in effort.
Also, the argument that the Lakers in 01 ran an offense closer to a modern day offense in the playoffs is ludicrous. They ran at a pace of 92 possessions per 48 minutes that postseason. The 2017 warriors ran at a 100 possession pace. The lakers shot around 16 threes a game that postseason making 38.6%. the warriors in 2017 shot DOUBLE the amount and hit THE SAME PERCENTAGE. The lakers shot with a true shooting percentage of 54.2%. the 17 warriors were OVER 60%. And somehow, despite playing at a slower pace, the lakers in the 01 playoffs committed more personal fouls per game too.
But really, the biggest fallacy is thinking you could compare what anyone in 01 was doing schematically on offense and defense with what the warriors were doing at their peak. The warriors motion offense was something that had never been executed at that level to that degree with that level of talent. And the warriors were a big part of popularizing switching on defense, especially in regards to paying attention to the percentages of different players.
The warriors simply have way more talent, and that talent is running a more nuanced and complex system of basketball than basically anything that the Lakers had ever seen. And the teams that actually played well against Shaq and kobes lakers actually had many things in common with the 17 warriors. The 01 bucks had high level perimeter scoring in Ray Allen and Glen Robinson. The Sacramento kings ran a high pace offense with a big in chris Webber that could make high level reads as a passer, similar to Draymond. The pistons had movement shooters in Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups, along with a pick and pop forward in Rasheed Wallace. The warriors have Kevin Durant doing the pick and pop.
Kevin Durant playing the Rasheed role is sooo nasty haha. That warriors team was insane
@@thetrib1 EXACTLY! Like, all he really has to do is pick and pop and it creates so many issues. Rasheed Wallace TORCHED the Lakers on those actions, and it would be bread and butter for the warriors in that matchup. Not to mention, KD could turn it into off the dribble creation
Something you need to remember is they didn't need 3s. They could just didn't. Why would you need to shoot 3s when you have shaq? They had shooters.
@@brownchr014the best scorers today also dont need threes. Embiid averaged 36 until injury. Shaq would average more
Another thing nobody ever talks about is how a near 400 pound Shaq is supposed to keep up with the high speed basketball that is played today. Yes the Lakers will try to force gs to play their pace but what team ever did that to them in their prime? The fouls are a great point as well, Shaq would not be on the court for as much as LA would need him to be. Plus again, that revolutionary motion offense would be far too complex and disciplined for LA to stop. I don’t get why it’s so hard to believe that the greatest team of all time would simply be too well coached and too talented when not even a prime lebron james and kyrie Irving could take more than a game and got blown out regularly
Draymond thinking him being on the floor stops Shaq has me crying.
Bro stretching the hell out of his defensive impact 😂
He didn't say that
@@neoblade8164 so you didn’t watch the video 😂
@@neoblade8164he said that within 1 minute of the video😭
Bulls did it and they had a worse interior defense than warriors.. warriors in 6
Both you and green keep mixing and matching players from different years. Bogut wasn’t on the 2017 warriors.
Here’s how the 17 gsw vs 01 lakers would really go down.
Curry, thompson, Durant would all be shooting about 42+% from 3 because they’ll eat on DHO’s, p&r’s, and pin downs because shaq could not and would not ever leave the basket defensively. That’s wide open 3’s all game for 3 of the 15 best shooters ever all in their peaks. They’d also be eating in transition offensively with curry and thompson spreading the lakers to the 3 point line with Durant, igoudala or Livingston handling and getting clear paths to the basket. They’ll always have the advantage because shaq was so lazy and slow to get back. If the lakers decided to switch instead of giving up open shots all game, Durant would just cook smaller guys like fisher in the mid range all game, and curry would cook bigger slower guys like grant and fox on the perimeter.
Defensively, GS will just double shaq with ZAZA on him and KD, green or igoudala doubling down. That’s a big body and then another wing with extremely long arms. Other 3 GSW defenders zone up on the lakers shooters and can recover easily when shaq passes out. They’ll also have pachulia, McGee and west use up all 15 of their available fouls through out the game by hacking shaq where he’ll then shoot about 48% from the line.
They’ll also have Durant, thompson and igoudala taking turns on Bryant. Kerr will instruct them all to say certain things to feed into his ego and have him ruin the lakers offense by forcing up BS shots and go into iso/1 on 1 shot jacking mode. Those 3 guys will stay fresh by taking turns on him and Bryant will shoot about 40% from the field, take a bunch of heavily contested long 2’s, and ruin LA’s chances by trying to play hero ball instead of getting the ball to shaq on the block.
Lakers probably get 2 games. Warriors in 6.
That is a pretty biased assessment.
I think a lot is sensible about how the Warriors play, but let’s not pretend anybody is guarding Shaq. And even if they are doubling and forcing a pass out, he’s a good passer. His team largely is not as universally skilled/talented as the Warriors, but this have guys who hit their shots.
I think it’s fair to say that the Warriors have the advantage based on better offense
@@Jonathan-A.C. what did I say that was biased?
I ever said anybody on their team could guard shaq. I said they’d use their 3 big bodies and 3 long wings to double him every time so that he’d have to pass out. If he didn’t pass out then he’d likely have to commit an offensive foul. I also said they’d have their guys use 15+ fouls in order to send shaq to the line rather than having him play 1 on 1, and shaq was obviously a terrible FT shooter. I never said he wasn’t a good passer, but the warriors other 3 defenders would easily zone up on the lakers 4 other players, especially with a non 3pt shooter like grant or guys who shot 32% and 31% from 3 in the playoffs like Bryant and fox. Once O’Neal passes out to the perimeter, golden state would easily rotate back and recover to stop a potential drive, or force fox or Bryant into a heavily contested 3. It would be different if fox and Bryant were 38% 3pt shooters and GS couldn’t afford to leave them open, or if GS didn’t have the defensive personnel to recover after a double team, but they did. I still think the lakers would get a game or 2, so I’m not disrespecting them.
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Well I think even then, it’s underrated Shaq’s pure physical dominance, although that’s not to say he didn’t throw the elbows pretty often. I also think it’s underrating his passing ability, because at good passer will have a solid chance to reach other teammates if they themselves. And even if it’s gonna be pressure on the perimeter, I’m sure they’d sub in the Lakers who can shoot better (which I still think would result in better Warriors offense, but it’s not from them being directly countered).
Lol ar 2001 lakers warriors wouldn't even get 1
Bro wrote a whole story ain nobody reading this
Low said Kyrie like that's sum light lol
Its wild that you glossed over Shaq basically saying his answer for guarding Klay or Curry when they drive to the rim is to foul them hard as fuck. Not even gonna talk about how thats basically saying the only way for him to guard them is to break the rules.
Lol yeah...I'm sure Shaq will get Draymond and Bogut in foul but at the same time Steph will get Shaq in foul trouble too. If he's not killing them with the floaters that is.
Thats not breaking the rules in Shaq's era. Its physical defense. Shaq, Bill Laimberr, Charles Oakley, etc commonly gave players hard fouls
It also means you never actually watched Shaq play therefore you are disqualified from entering this discussion. Hard fouls were normal back then as it discouraged players from driving. Give them the freethrow but they wont want to take the next hit.
Charles Oakley and Barkely also did that. In the 1980s, it was expected with teams like Bad Boy Pistons
@@VanessaWong-yi5pe lmao just admit they didn't play defense because they got beat
@@VanessaWong-yi5pe Shaq would foul out trying to get steph to quit going to the rim lmao
Shaq has a 7'7 wingspan not 9 foot lol he's capping
His point is that draymond can’t stop him from getting the ball
@@patrick05Morgan yeah I understand his point but he doesn't need to make up fake facts
@@CapnKrunk123 It's Shaq man, what you expect.
@@CapnKrunk123as someone who tends to speak in hyperbole, your taking what he’s saying way too literally. He’s just using 9feet as a placeholder to make point that his wingspan is bigger on top of the fact he’s 7 inches taller.
Ur taking it to seriously he was clearly exaggerating
If you watched those Warriors teams. They played really good team defense on bigs. So I understand why Draymond has that confidence.
11:15 “to be objective here”
Then proceeds to lie and say that curry couldn’t create his own shot lmao
Go look at the numbers, go look at the games with your eyes and you’ll see curry be one of if not the best shot creator in the league back then. This lie you keep telling that he couldn’t create his own shot until a few years ago is completely fabricated.
The bias is so noticeable like he didnt even try to hide it.
Fax, curry is a 6’2 non-athletic guard that routinely has averaged 30 while being guarded more intensely then arguably any other perimeter player ever, yet he somehow “wasn’t an elite shot creator.”
Its just narratives from the 16 finals where his knee was clearly compromised.
“We won’t let you get the ball”… right what a genius
Yeah lol. Definitely won't work. Shaq is too big and strong. Fischer and Kobe easily getting him good looks
The warriors score so well they have the leeway to give up some good looks. Especially if its to take away some great ones.
Shaq is the only person on that team who can score efficiently enough to keep up with them. So focusing on keeping the ball out of his hands at the expense giving up some looks to less inefficient/lower volume scorers is a great plan.
And its not like he's steph, running around 50 screens to get the ball. 90% of the time hes just gonna be standing next to the paint with his arm up. Not exactly a hard read.
@@Kosithegod Yes that's a much better argument. But Draymond Green was talking nonsense. The problem with the last part of your comment is that no one the Warriors is strong enough to stay in front of Shaq, he will get the ball whenever he wants to.
@@Kosithegod yeah I guess fuck Kobe? Who shot 48% from the field in the best defensive years of the leagues only shaq would be an elite scoring option though right? 🤣🤣
@@taxationistheft7 Kobe, Steph and KD have overlap y'know. And even in their rookie/sophomore/third seasons (09-11ish, when Kobe was still in championship form btw) they were putting up more efficient scoring seasons. KD in his second year was on par volume wise but MORE efficient in the same league at the same time as an end of prime Kobe... in his second year... And only got waaaay better by his warriors days.
Kobe is an all time tough shot maker but every shot he takes is worth less than 1 point (that's what eFG% calculates, eg. 48%efg * 2 = 0.96points per shot), and every shot Steph, Klay & KD shoot gets you close to 1.14 - 1.2 points (efg% 57-60 when they played together). So by the end of a 100 possession game that's a blow out.
The only person who can match that production at volume is Shaq, who at his absolute peak got you 1.15-1.25 points per shot. Every other person shooting the ball at volume is advantageous to the warriors. Shaq taps out at like 40ppg a game MAX so where are you getting the other 70-80 points at a better efficiency than the warriors?
Ego for ego
Low really showing he a lakers fan in this vid
The riding is insane, it’s starting to get annoying. He wasn’t like this a couple of years ago
He has a point tho, who’s stopping Shaq 🤣🤣
@@King_Boo_5shaq isn’t beating a team by himself. who’s stopping curry, klay and kd? curry is either getting open threes off of drop in p&r or cooking any unswitchable big one on one. the warriors made small ball effective because when every player can dribble and shoot switchability becomes one of the most important traits in a defender.
@@King_Boo_5 who gonna stop Curry, or KD? Or Klay? And if we’re talking about the old warriors Draymond can shoot too.
This is a fun one to discuss.
the 04 pistons vs 17 warriors isnt close.
Fax the pistons’ offense can’t compete
lol that’s what everyone said in 04 when they face the lakers and they still won. Pistons matchup well to the warriors. They have prince who is lanky like kd, Wallace who was quick and athletic at the 5, stretch 4 in sheed and a good 2 way back court and they played as a unit
@@patrick05Morgan i told a dude if the warriors could only score for 3 quarters and none of thier baskets in the fourth counted theyd still win. Old head almost lost his mind. 😂
Its the truth the old heads need to understand the 17 warriors were just unfair and i love it@@ubadman1
Let 2K do the talking
The fact Low you really think that they gonna force Curry off the line easily is funny😂 that 17 warriors will beat them
Neither of those teams would be able to guard each other so it would come down to who is gonna out offense the other, and if its the 2017 version of the warriors man i still got them😭. Kd steph and klays shooting and offense is crazy, shaq would dominate and kobe would be stressing klay and iggy out tho. Shaq would be the best player in the series but idk thay 2017 warriors team was cheating man
Shaq has never not played drop coverage on a screen. Steph, Klay and Kd are killing them off screens all game
The Warriors will be in easy foul trouble just trying to stop Shaq alone.
Warriors will have to make their 3s at superhuman efficiency to even offset Shaq's 2s. Nobody on that Warriors squad can defend 01 Shaq alone.
@@y2shuproblem Tf you mean they have to make it at superhuman efficiency? It’s Steph, Klay and KD 😂😂😂. They will
@@JJuiicceee are they making them at 💯%
@@y2shuproblem you probably started watching nba in 2020 but before that time the 3 best players of that geneation were lebron james, steph curry and kevin durant insanely talented players unstoppable on offense and two of them joined forces
Also dray picked the 2015 team never even mentioned KD
I'm pretty sure Draymond Green is the same listed height and weight as Rick Fox 😂
The warriors win
@@joshr6540 not a chance 😂
@@illWillienumber31 the warriors without kd lakers would win but with kd warriors in 6
@@joshr6540warriors with KD were even weaker at center. Warriors lose either way.
@@illWillienumber31 bruh it don’t matter about shaq when your not gonna be able to guard kd and Steph from getting 3s
Bro cannot even guard Gianni’s and he’s talking about Shaq 😭💀
This isn’t prime draymond.. no big dominated prime draymond. Boogie, AD, Duncan, Lamarcus.. none of them.. they not shaq but he’d do a number on him like barkley and Rodman did.. draymond is an all time defender
@@OffTopicKamah He is a top 5 defender of his generation. But he would get cooked by Shaq and Giannis in a playoff series. He's too small and not strong enough to guard them. Green is 6'5 with a decent wings span.
Draymond is good at guarding wings, and he's lucky that what the 2010s were about. He's not doing nothing with any real Center.
@@OffTopicKamahyou brought up Duncan as if he not out his prime when they played
@@OffTopicKamahi hope you re trolling 😂😂
I mean GSW has nobody that could stop Shaq, but Lakers doesn`t have enough to stop Curry, Klay and KD.
i would personally say that GSW would win, but in the end these are just hypothetical talks so it doesn`t mean anything.
Sorry to tell u but they wasn't talkn about the warriors with kd
@@tj2nasty4ya83 Even without KD the Warriors were way too offensively stacked. Not to mention that if you take that 01 Lakers team out of their era you genuinely have to worry about the officiating due to shaq. If the refs are calling it like they do today then the Lakers have 0% chance of winning. Shaq would be in foul trouble and trying to guard Curry in space all night. If the refs are calling it like its 2000, the warriors still have the advantage by being able to be extra physical when screening for Curry or Draymond would be able to be extra physical when trying to get under Shaq's skin. The warriors are just a bad match up for the 01 Lakers.
@@tj2nasty4ya83 didn’t shaq say “any of your championship teams against any of my championship teams”?
@@HeyImBrandon360 yea he did but draymond never said kd's name at all in the discussion
@@tj2nasty4ya83 I think it went without saying, if no KD who is taking warriors over Lakers?
Claiming that Rick fox and Derek fisher would consistently make enough threes to offset Klay and Curry is wild. The Warriors’ offense is simply to overwhelming and they win the series.
KD is fryin everybody on that team Kobe included.
Kobe never figured KD out, he said it himself!
If you think you can go over steph screens in drop at 30 ft you crazy. He’s taking one big dribble to the line and pulling. He shoots that at 40%+ easily. That’s a 120 offensive rating. Then you have KD and Klay spotting up if you send help. No one has ever been able to slow Steph below 70% ts without switching or doubling.
I honestly think the Warriors should do what teams back then did with Shaq. You throw your biggest guy at him and slow his walk into the restricted area. You could also double on the catch and try to force Shaq to pass. While yes, they had quality shooters, the Warriors are living with Robert Horry and Rick Fox taking 10 3pt shots per game. Kobe will likely get his 25 to 30 also. On the other end, I worry about the Lakers' inability to switch on offball screens. Even modern teams with faster, longer defenders struggle with switching against the prime Warriors. Durant's production will likely match Kobe's and Curry will be taking wide open 3pt shots on the drop coverage, not mid range, because they can always set the screen higher. Shaq is gonna get exposed just like Rudy if they start forcing switches when Fisher can't get around the screens fast enough. The Warriors will win the series because the Lakers are the ideal of a dated strategy that has clear flaws relative to modern strategies. The talent of Kobe and Shaq will have to carry them, and I don't know if that's reliable given the trouble they will have defensively.
The warriors if we're being honest would probably be the best defense they've faced when you consider how good the warriors defense is with how difficult it is to guard offenses today because of the spacing and talent level.
Iggy would be at the top of best defender guarding kobe, and dray would be near the top of best help defender, and he also has switch ability.
And that's their defense. Steph shoots comfortably from 40 and Durant and klay from 30. That is so gross
@@thetrib1 2017 gsw best team I ever seen thats when all were in there prime and kd just came to win a ring with no ego. Most supertstasr play heliocentric steph and kd played in the system which made it so deadly.
Legend is forgetting who Draymond setting up screens for
exactly😭😭he tlkn bout “dray cnt set more physical screens” like curry dnt need just alil aspace
@@prollyhigh9335 Those guys are gonna be lost with Steph's off ball movement, he wont even need that many screens
Dray got it backwards. In this matchup you lock up everyone else and if Shaq alone beats you he beats you
The only problem with this is that you can't lock up Kobe. So they have to game plan with the objective of slowing down Shaq and see where it takes them.
The 04 Pistons did a great job managing Kobe, but the 2017 Warriors aren't thr 04 Pistons.
@@Cakebattered2017 warriors have more than enough perimeter presence. Durant, Klay, Iggy and Dray too if they let Shaq eat.
Exactly my point. People are nostalgic and don't realize Shaq built his own mythology by being the most present in the media. Orlando's Shaq didn't magically became dominant Lakers Shaq: he was powerful but slower, he just had better back-up, and how many teams knew how to keep Shaq in line? Half of them, and I'm not speaking of hack a shaq. Better centers, good PFs could. And for teams who couldn't, many could stop the pass before Shaq got the ball. This whole debate is moot because of two points:
1- former player NBA analysts built a narrative around their playing importance
2- you can't do like coaching wouldn't count and make a 1 on 1 list.
Bro they were shooting 3 threes a game do not talk about the percentage of those laker guys 😂😂
Thank youuuu
In today's era Lakers would be at the Freethrow line way more than 2024 Lakers due to less threes and more drives.
Less threes, more freethrows like a 1960s era game. Look at how 2024 Lakers' less threes affecting their freethrow percentage. At today's pacing, 2001 Lakers would do that to a greater degree
@@VanessaWong-yi5pe u play basketball 👀
Shaq saying he’s just gonna hard foul curry and klay every time like they aren’t one of the 2 best free throw shooters of all time 😭
I think the Durant warriors would win, curry draymond pick and roll shaq gonna be in drop and if he plays up curry will get down hill. The warriors were so dominant they were resting most 4th quarters cause it was almost always a blow out I think It’s a great matchup tho 7 games i’m taking the dubs
Why are we acting like teams haven’t been trying to force curry to drive for years?
We have to be real about how the warriors play style is. It’s demoralizing to see guys shooting from 30 feet plus. Running around the entire game and not missing a beat. They literally don’t stop moving. Then they got a scoring machine in KD who has never been seen before. And we’re forgetting about Demarcus Cousins being on their team at one point, along with Draymond. Honestly the team is just to good. Then we’re forgetting the crowd factor of the playoff atmosphere. The warriors go on incredible runs and make shots that just rip your heart out. Good defense and all and he still makes it. That’s just hard to play against haven’t even went over bench players either.. It’ll be a tough series but I’m thinking 6 games at best out of respect for Kobe and Shaq.
Ego exchange be like😂
Shaq cooked Ben Wallace in his prime and made him look like a child. Draymond would die after getting dunked on once by shaq.
Cooked is big words. Ben Wallace gave Shaq issues. That's why he beat him in the finals
Cooked him let they got wrecked by 04 pistons when they had 0 excuses to lose???? Stfu LOL
@@MWKDaGoatno they lost because of Kobe and Malone. Shaq performed well
Shaq averaged 27/10 on 62% ts in the 04 finals lol. they didn’t lose because of him
Shaq cooked Ben Wallace. Who won that series though?
I never thought I’d see the day where the Warriors are this disrespected, let alone less than a decade after the dynasty started
These comments salvage it for me . I remember when the ‘17 Warriors were in comparison to the ‘96 Bulls, now a convo against the ‘01 Lakers sounds like impossible odds 😂! Recency bias at its finest
Man I love this back and forth 😂
Shaq against the Nets with 0 bigs as you said averaged 36 on 64% True shooting. For the entire 2017 playoff run Steph averaged 66% TS and KD averaged 68% TS. Both of them were more efficient than all time Shaq in the Finals against BBQ chicken. Warriors win, straight up.
Edit: also the Warriors had a lower defensive rating that season than the Lakers had. A lower defensive rating in 2017 than a team in 2001. Come on now
I thinko our(Warriors fan speaking) best bet would be to try and do what the Pistons did in 04. Let Shaq get his and go balls out trying to stop Kobe and trust that the other guys wouldn’t knock down enough 3s to counter our production at the other end as well as do what Dray said out Shaq constant action and never let him rest to get him tired and in foul trouble. There’s a lot of realities where the Lakers win but I’m going to wit the 2017 Dubs more times than not. Too much fire power on our side.
11:22 wtf you say about curry ??? curry in 2016-2019 when he had KD was STRUGGLING to create his own shots ??? okay LOW 😂
Draymond literally said he couldn’t stop Shaq. His point was about disruption and giving a different set of issues and challenges. Se have to go for what we know. Now as for rules we can do a hybrid model of the rules, but the teams essentially use their normal rotations and modifications to gameplan. This is not rocket science and it’s not all about analytics. Them Lakers would get Killed! That 17 team functions alot like that Sacramento team Lakers struggled with and our group was superior in all aspects outside of C webb of course. We would torch they ass
"Who's guarding Kobe?"
"Klay"
I started crying😂😂
Or Iggy. Two all defensive players. Team has 3 all defensive players
Who's guarding KD?
@@andrewbradley3305 the same dude that got final mvp for "guarding" lebron😂😂
What's funny about it? Prime klay was a very good defender. I know nobody is stopping kobe but nether are they going to stop Klay, KD, and Curry at the same time.. cause even if you fully lock one of them.. you'll do nothing but create more opportunities for the others
I hate how people are forgetting how good of a defender prime klay was.
Draymond didnt seem to be talking about the 2nd or 3rd championship team. i think he was referring to the 1st
IMO, Dubs in 6. Even though Shaq would be the best player on that court and he probably would average about 34 and 12 and Kobe would get his, they would be trading 2s with the best 3pt shooting team of all time. Too much firepower, they wouldn't be able to score enough to keep up.
Facts. Draymond just used horrible examples to prove why they would win
@@The_JbeastKobe could only guard one person too, and u for damn sure can't double anybody lmao
@@1luvjaylenklay would be in hell tryna guard a young Kobe 😹😭
@@Hatedvariiget Iggy to guard him instead then
@@01chohan 😭
3:44 “Draymond stop.”😭😭😭
you yapping right now
How
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Lmaoo what? How? U never heard logical talk before?
@@PaperChaserLathis isn’t logical he’s CLEARLY bias. He’s riding like crazy. I’m not a warriors fan at all but cmon
We have to take the nostalgia glasses off. The 2017 Warriors are not losing to the 01 Lakers or any other team. Acting like Javalenane Bogut aren’t genuine 7 foot bigs that are certainly on the level of most bigs of that era is crazy. Shaq isn’t an auto-win button, we saw Shaq almost get swept by a Jazz team that started Gregg Ostertag in 1997. We saw them actually sweep them in 1998 where Van Exel and Eddie Jones were Allstars and Horry was already on the team, already Big shot Bob with Finals experience next to Hakeem in Houston. Yes they got significantly better-but you’re not stopping the Warriors. The only team that even had a remote shot in their run did it by hitting 1000 threes.
“Klay struggling to stay in front of kyrie” bro what, who can?🤣
Bruh the disrespect for Klays defense in his prime is quite criminal
6:45 Actually the math is kinda mathing. Hypothetically lets just say the Lakers all shot only 100 2s at 55% and GS shot 100 only 3s at 37% then He would win by 1. But this just hypotheticals not including the other factors in the game.
Warriors in 6. Shaq is a mismatch but he was never in the shape to be able to maintain a 7 game setup of the highest efficiency of all time required to out offense the 2017 warriors
Also warriors were a great defensive team so to think shaq would have the greatest series he’s ever had which is what’s required to beat 2017 warriors.. you are lying to yourself
Bro what? This how I know you’re 21. Shaq was in great shape the entire 90’s. 01, he was at his pinnacle. Stop
Side note u gotta listen not once was bogut on any warriors teams with Kd.. He's talkn about 2015,2016 teams
@@hutchphilpot6870 as someone nearing 30, 2001 was not his pinnacle lol
@@tj2nasty4ya83 I don’t agree with draymond there.. Zaza was a dirty hard nose player that wouldn’t back down to shaq.. Jokic is a better offensive player and he’s struggled with great defenses. Why would I think shaq is ungameplannable when he lacks any deep playoff success with penny, kobe, and shaq.
Yea bro Draymond was DELUSIONAL.
Let’s not forget shaq got swept 5 different times in his career before he won his first chip….
94 vs Indiana 0-3
95 vs Houston 0-4
96 vs Chicago 0-4
98 vs Utah 0-4
99 vs Spurs 0-4
The one that stands out for me would b 96 bulls…
A top tier defensive team but in terms of bigs they had Rodman at the 4 and Luc Longley…. That’s practically the same as Draymond and Bogut/Zaza/Javele.. in terms of bigs to defend shaq
Thank you
The only problem I have with this is that it's assuming that the only way Steph can get off a shot is when Draymond sets a screen. That's just one way. Steph can move off ball and get open. He can straight up mix anyone in front of him to get to his floaters or stepbacks. There's multiple ways he can hurt you.
Exactly. Steph was legit a top 5 player in the league. His handle is elite, he is efficient everywhere
@@thetrib1 he was top 2 lol... respectfully
Kd,curry,draymond,klay,iggy is washing them lol
Facts, Warriors play WAY TOO fast. Three players that can go for 40+ any given night. More versatile defenders, and an offensive scheme that’s more free flowing. 5 shooters with the death line up. Dubs in 5 or six.
@@TheBoiRusty prime kd was an elite defender in his prime people forget
No way you're doubting how KD will perform against "Ricky Fox"
If its 2017 warriors then they are winning in 6 imo. Shaq will get his but when they are forcing shaq to move and be active while still hitting shots with kd curry,or klay not to mention they have the better bench as well.Then for defense you arent stopping shaq but Kobe will have Iggy,klay,and Kd trying to stop him while doubling with curry or dray playing passing lanes.
Draymond said bogut which cancels out any kd warriors teams
That 2016 team is getting smoked out
@@tj2nasty4ya83he also said McGee and west who were on the 2017 team but not the 2016 team
@@tonj02 draymond don't kno what yr he wanna talk about. All ik is he never said kd name
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I just love to hear a Hofer and a future Hofer having a public conversation that's usually happens in private. Remember the MJ and Wilt conversation during the first 50 greatest players ceremony.
"6 what?" Was funny as hell
Modern day nba fans don't understand physicality and how much shaq truly was unstoppable.
Agreed, shaq would outmuscle the warriors entire starting 5 and then some, but they would just double him is their "answer"
What do you mean unstoppable? His avg numbers weren't much higher than other players. If he was "unstoppable" he'd average 50 but he didn't.
called build awall like how they do giannis
@@albinbergvall9112shaq from 1998-2002 was unstoppable. Also adding the context that the 2000s were the most defensive slowest paced era in history. Yes, Shaq was unstoppable
@@albinbergvall9112accounting for pacing, Shaq would average near 40 in an NBA playoffs today. Maybe 50 in an NBA finals.
If you dont want to account for pacing, Luka Doncic is better than Lebron James ever was due to stats and numbers
Not to poopoo on curry but he wasn’t creating his own shot is fucking crazy when did he start then
Bogut wasn’t on the 2017 Warriors Zaza was starting
Ngl curry coming off a green screen is and has been op for a min I give green that he do set so hard ahh screens
I thought draymond was faking being delusional but now…..boy oh boy😂
i like how he ONLY talked about Klay playing defense like he doesnt shoot the ball😂. and gone say steph wasnt a shot creator but averaged 28/6/6 that playoff run and 27/9/8 in the finals 🤦🏾♂️
Draymond be so delusional sometimes
Warriors win that series ur bugging
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Yeah but he still said some crazy stuff
Podcast with Arenas will be called “the Delusionals”
Don't forget hands check
Draymond brings up Bogut, but isn’t Dray talking about the 17-19 era warriors with KD? Bogut wasn’t on those teams buddy
Shaq said anyone of the warriors championship teams so 15,17,and 18
Bogut was on the team in 18-19
@@jor-dan650 he said pick ANY of them, that doesn’t mean you pick the players from ALL of them LMAO. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Lakers threepeat core of players pretty much the same? Fisher, Kobe, Horry, Fox, and Shaq? The 2015 squad had Harrison Barnes and Andrew Bogut, the 17 to 19 teams had KD, David West, a bunch of other guys too. I’m assuming Dray is picking one team, probably the 17 Warriors but he’s picking and choosing which players from the whole five year window of 15-19.
Bringing up Ben Wallace helps his point cuz they lost even though he was dominating Ben (yes IK Kobe was trolling )
Kobe actually broke down in an interview before he died about how his Shaq/Kobe Lakers would beat the 17 Warriors. It’s pretty good honestly, how he would slow down the game and limit the Warriors offensive possessions, then no one on that GSW team could guard Prime Shaq in the paint.
Sounds good 😂😂😂 I think it would be an interesting series just based on the fact that both teams have significant advantages at different positions. Neither the 17 Warriors nor 01 Lakers have ever played a team quite like the other.
“Slow down the game” literally every team tried that shit against those warriors and it simply didn’t work . Their offense was too stacked and had too much motion
@@mookiestewart3776exactly. This is what every single team in the league tried to do. The Houston rockets literally built their entire team around slowing the game down through long offensive possessions and shooting copious amounts of free throws.
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Well hold on, the Rockets almost won. They might have in 6 games, and if not for 27 missed 3’s in a row, they would’ve
@@Jonathan-A.C. what? wariors went 16-1 in the playoffs in 2017. Worldrecord how can you go to 6 games if you only lost once the entire playoffs 😂
I remember that 01 run vividly. Simply because I hated the lakers and wanted them to lose so bad.
It’s was BFish, BShaw, Horry and RFox that were all knock down. If you collapsed the paint on Kobe, he kicked it out- boom, 3. You double or triple Shaq and he kicked it out, boom 3. Grant was money from the mid range. Them dudes weren’t missing and they ran through quality competition in 01 in route to the finals and it was just flat out crazy.
They had a winning streak if I’m not mistaken that started like 2 or 3 weeks before the playoffs even began. Which was just flat out nuts.
Asking d fish and shaw to chase steph and klay and be the offense is crazy warriors in 5😂😂
Dubs is 5 i dont even know why this is a convo
no one's stopping klay no matter who you have on him, putting the best or second best defender on klay will lose them the game because klay doesn't need to dribble to get his shot off so all he needs is a screen and a little space to get his shot off and hes good. they cant leave steph one on one and will have to chase him and klay around screens which will more than likely tire them out. they had one of if the not best mid range shooters in shaun livingston. they still had iggy who could defend, klay was a pretty good defender at that time, and i almost forgot they have kd. no ones stopping steph klay or kd. they're gonna need to double someone and if they choose kd or curry well klay is just gonna have a field day and knock down shots all night. dont get me wrong warriors dont have anyone that can stop shaq or kobe but they can do things that can make shaq innefective like obviously hack a shaq, forcing him to get out side of the paint with switching. warriors were not a small team either they had alot of big bodies on their team, besdies curry they had about 13 players who were like 6'6 or taller. two mid range demons in livingston and kd, then steph, klay, kd lighting up from downtown
5:21 Adam Silver better be checking this..
I swear to god, Shaq loves these hypotheticals because he can sit there stroking himself the entire conversation. That being said, Shaq is definitely gonna devour their defense.
Tye Lue would certainly light them up from behind the arc with his 38% on less than one attempt per game. Jesus! I sometimes feel like people pick and choose to act as if players of the past all had shooting skills on par with Curry, but just chose not to use them, to make it a bit more interesting and to get clotheslined in the paint a bit more. Come on!
Draymond has reached a new height of stupidity with this take.
The Warriors Offensive Rating stat was achieved in an era when no one really plays defense. That wasn't the case for the Lakers.
All I’m hearing is stats… let’s talk basketball, are we ignoring the offensive fouls Shaq would have???
Did Shaq just suggest playing a drop against the greatest shooter ever? Even if it’s not 3s Steph curry might be able to keep up with Shaq layups efficiency off of straight free throw line jumpers. Once the lakers realize that and send help that’s when you get people like klay and kd involved and they start making threes. Also I don’t think people understand that Shaq can’t play the whole game especially with the amount he would have to move to guard the warriors motion offense. And if he does play the whole game then by game 3 max he’s completely tired and now Kobe is spending time on the floor by himself and Kobe isn’t anywhere near enough to compete with that warriors team. Also I didn’t even mention the fact that the lakers don’t have enough great perimeter defenders to have a great defender on BOTH klay and kd. Klay didn’t have to show it, but klay is a legitimate scoring option that can go for 30 any given night when you put a weak defender on him. With all due respect I think that the lakers pull the first two, but from there the warriors sweep. Overall warriors in 6
00-02 Shaq is yamming on Draymond and Bogut like Chris Dudley, 40/20 average Finals MVP, Klay not locking Kobe, Fisher can bother Curry enough, Durant would have to go nuclear on Kobe, Horry, and Fox. Warriors get hot and steal 1, gentlemen's sweep.
I disagree it’ll be tougher lakers would have to win in 6 but I’m thinking GS in 7
Fisher would get bitched by Curry you are fcking tripping. Curry dropping 50 on his head on single coverage. They gonna have to double Curry and that means open shots for GSW
shaqs averaging 40 and 20, and the warriors are still winning in 5. rick fox on kd 😭
@@crystalizedExposed Rick fox can’t guard KD and d fish can’t hold curry Klay can’t guard Kobe but Kobe won’t give him 40. Also GS bench is wayyy too deep.
@@crystalizedExposed Didn't you hear LOW's breakdown? Shaq and Kobe had such a high true shooting percentage, unless Warriors shot their best, they couldn't match LA. #8 Kobe absolutely dogging Curry, and had the athleticism to stay with Durant on switches. Horry was 6'10", Fox was quick and 6'7" to at least make KD work.
The problem with the Lakers vs the Warriors… the Warriors bench was outscoring everyone’s bench, as great as the lakers were, their bench was no comparable
“Ain’t nobody gaurding Kobe” 😂😂Kobe can be guarded they must’ve forgot about them shackles tayshaun prince put on him. Man did his best Andy dufresne impression ,that boy got clamped im talking bout Attica sing sing clamps 😂😂😂
Who's at the level of tashaub prince
@@bigt100 iguildala or draymond
Never heard someone faulting a player for not being able to stay infront of Kyrie. Especially Cavs Kyrie.
bro warriors destroys them
The lakers definitely cant stop klay, steph AND KD they getting their asses fried
Lmfao
Would genuinely just like to hear Low’s thoughts on making some
bracket of the greatest teams of all time. Don’t think the result is some revelation (2001 Lakers or 2017 Warriors lol) but would really be interested in hearing him breakdown match ups like 1986 Celtics vs 1996 Bulls or 2013 (?) Miami and stuff
I’m sorry but the warriors are winning. They will quit literally bend them over. They play much quicker. Due to era. Shaq could have 50 and it’s because they let him. He can’t space the floor. Kobe would have to be aggressively attacking every play on curry and klay
Low, let’s be real. It’ll go to a game 7 but the warriors will win.
The double team is version of providing spacing.
Kobe would be playing aggressively
Warriors in 5
You’re saying Kobe is playing in isolation then because everyone else is guarding Shaq. That’s doomsday Lakers in 6
all i know is that if it's 16 gsw vs 01 lakers than it's a seven game heater but warriors pull it out. it's pure hypothetical but cmon that warriors team wouldnt be fair in any time period
40% from 3 is 60% from 2s. Even if Kobe and shaq go insane and go above and beyond what they normally do curry (who played against teams that prepared and built to contend with the warriors perimeter threats) shot 42% from 3, Kevin Durant shot 44%, and Klay 39% from 3. Since you pointed out how shaq would do better against a team who didn’t have personnel to guard shaq, I think it is fair to say that the warriors would have a considerable and larger increase in their production compared to the lakers production. 44% from 3 is equivalent to 66% from the field which is considerably less sustainable. Also saying Robert Horry shot 36.2% from 3 in 2001 which is basically below average to today’s game. Basically warriors would not be able to stop shaq and Kobe, they would definitely get their buckets, but the warriors are just offensively better than them. If Shaq and Kobe do not produce 66% fg% every single game, warriors will simply outpace them.
Nobody's staying in front of Kyrie 😂
Draymond is actually goated, also, if this was 2015 shaq, javale would’ve gotten violated😂
Klay is a better shooter then anyone on them lakers teams name someone better shooting the 3 any of them lakers championships team
I'm disappointed rebounding wasn't mentioned which is how you beat the warriors
I think you put kd in front of shaq and bogut behind. You're not going to stop him, to just need to make the entry as difficult as possible. Try to encourage kobe to shoot 3s, otherwise he cooking klay too. Defensively is where you get the Lakers in trouble. Draymond runs the offense from the top, and make bogut set screens. This brings shaq up, or he's on KD getting cooked. Keep running them too, because when shaq goes out, the Lakers are vulnerable. Kobe can't guard them all.
I think we’re all forgetting one huge factor… the coaching… I’m taking Phill Jackson over Steve Kerr everyday of the week
Steve Kerr having played Shaq, I would do the reverse choice, any hour of the day
Just to add to your point about the efficiency difference. I would look at the 7 game series that Golden State had against the rockets as a better indicator of how they would perform against the Lakers. KD had a 59% TS and Steph had a 57% TS. That's not efficient enough to stop Kobe and Shaq.
It would be lakers in 5, and thats generous. Lakers dominated that playoff for a reason
Yes, because no team in that era had player that could score efficiently.
I keep 7 to 10 “relax from the world” subscription. Think I’ll unsubscribe from Gilbert and give it to this channel. Good job bro.👍🏿
Would love to see you cover more of these what if matchups
What’s so funny is that LOW brings up KD but Draymond isn’t even talking about that team cuz Bogut wasn’t even on that team. He was in 2019 but Bogut wouldn’t be back line in that scenario it’ll be Boogie (if everyone’s healthy) other than that Bogut was never on a team when KD was on it so KD isn’t even on the team that he’s referencing😂😂
As soon as he said JaVale…. BBQ CHICKEN ALERT!!