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I’ve already accepted that this is a James harden hating platform, but come on. A player who at one point was arguably the best player in the league during a time where Lebron, KD, Steph, and Kawhi were in their prime, just to be put under fringe top 10 players in the league during the 90s/00s. And then old heads will say that we’re the ones being disrespectful to past eras. Just crazy
His prime/best team he got happened to be at same time as the most stacked team of all time. I don't think you could replace harden with many people and have them compete with the kd warriors. Only ones I can think of is lebron or a healthy Leonard
@@ddawg266 Drexler came 2nd in MVP Voting to Jordan just so we all know that. Not saying he is better then Harden. Harden Also has that Playoffs Fall off we have to account for or at least consider
Harden is overrated. He averaged 4 turnovers for 11 seasons, and made most of his points by traveling and foul baiting. That's why he's worse than EVERYONE in the top 10. That's why his production falls off in the playoffs. Harden is a fraud.
i'm starting to realize nba awards are just a collection of media members opinions, and are therefore no more valuable than if we made a spreadsheet of all panel member's opinions
That conversation is utterly ridiculous, Prime Iverson in the Playoffs ('99 through '05) as a scorer averaged 30.6 PPG | 43.6% eFG | 49.1% TS | (Defense Adjusted of -2% rTS). Prime Kobe in the Playoffs('06 through '10) averaged 29.8 PPG | 50.6% eFG | 57% TS | (Defense Adjusted of +4% rTS) Compare Kobe's Playoffs scoring to LeBron who from '12 through '16 Playoffs averaged 28 PPG on 57.3% TS, you see similarities. Scoring gap between Iverson & Kobe is massive mainly due to efficiency.
@@GODsoN_8471 Are you serious? Are you going to use that argument for everyone? Or just Kobe. 'Didn't play with the same talent' lmao. Are you gonna do the same when debating Wilkins vs bird? Moses Malone vs Magic? Chuck vs MJ? Stop this shit. Plus Kobe literally outscored Iverson in his Best season in 06. Ai avg 33ppg while kobe 0ne-upped him with 35. Man take me back to the days where logic existed. AI is not Kobe Bryant. He is my 2nd favorite player ever. But stop man.
In NBA History there are more situations where a team can win with Rondo as opposed to Nash. Nash is a better Number one option, Rondo is the better player.
@@justinjones9579of course in NBA history, there are more situations to win as a 3rd/4th option player than there is with a 1st option elite offensibe player, who may I remind you, was in charge of elevating the Mavs, Suns offense to the highest in the league for a decade 2003-2012, was a MVP winner and was robbed from a 07 Finals run from Amare Diaw suspensions from the Horry hipcheck that cost them the series…
@@justinjones9579Nash clears Rondo in scoring efficiency and volume, Rondo clears Nash defensively, Nash beats Rondo as a playmaker, being one of the best playmakers of all time, with high level assists, elite passing IQ, all-time elite passing ability, both are incredible handlers of the ball, yet Nash has more off ball impact than Rondo does on the offense
What Jordan says about "how it looks" = Efficiency. He's basically saying efficiency doesn't matter. When in reality, Basketball is game of FINITE POSSESSIONS, No one has free reign to take & miss as many shots as they want & think it doesn't have diminishing returns in the Playoffs.
The basketball community has to stop doing this thing where they overrate players they like and are biased towards and acting like they’re not being unreasonable while moving goalposts. Man said AI was comparable scoring wise to Kobe and brought up him being smaller and said chucking 30 shots wasn’t a problem fr
Will never understand the harden fr. Chill town loves winning and holds Malone in high regard and he never won a chip but will critique someone who never missed the playoffs who spent there prime and apex in the toughest conference
He had better seasons individually outside of 01. 03, 05, 06 are the first that come to my head. It’s just they changed the roster up so much and after brown left their defensive schemes significantly took a nosedive. And back then you weren’t making it far in the playoffs with a low rated or even subpar defensive team. Also just because it was AI and what he represented and how he carried I speculate that their might’ve been some chiseling going on in the regular season and the playoffs.
There's something about A.I that make 2000s black Americans just view him like some sort of superhero?? They said he could average 40 to 42 ppg?? Who do ppl think this inefficient undersized horrible defender who cant shoot is??
AI had to shoot 24 FGA a game and get 11 FTA a game to average 33 Harden took 24 FGA and 11 FTA a game to average 36 while taking 13 three pointers a game unless AI suddenly becomes the greatest shooter ever in no world would he average 40-42 strictly off his middies and layups on a bad team like the pistons or hornets that boy gonna have to take 35 FGA and no coach is allowing his ass to do that
@@CMXR hes gonna have to take damn near 40 shots whilst playing 48 mins a night lmaoo A.i ain't close to KD as a scorer and KD can't get 40 ppg lmao just not how it works 😭
@@retrey63 odd comment… He was inefficient in the greatest defensive era. In an era like the early 90’s or 2010-now he’d easily avg 35+ on 43-46% IDK about 40.
The Iverson in Denver sample matters because it’s the only time we saw him on a good offensive team. And people keep using the 76ers lack of offensive talent as an argument
@@NoJumper_23 some times you have to take the sample You’re given and then Work with that though. Also like Marz Said it was very close to High Scoring Seasons in Philadelphia. Also a lot og times People act like Iverson 100% could be a really Gold fit On a offensive team but there is no sample to really suggest that.
Lol he used to be on the panel as a regular, you actually said on the show you was born in 96’ so I’m sure you younger but man bro yall see the game in a similar way fr
I'm confused he knocks Nash's assist cuz he had the ball in his hand all the time but praises AI scoring when he had the ball in his the whole time. Also the whole reason people said Lebron created a superteam was because of how dominant Wade was.
I just want to say the Kobe and Jordan’s and Allen iversons ,before 2010s guards it’s unfair to compare them to todays much more physical era and much more defensive league much more isolation the league was just so different much slower pace and bruising
3PT shot: Ray Mid range: Ray Finishing: Ray Playmaking: Ray Passing: Stack edge 1 on 1 in general: Ray Perimeter Defense: Ray Off ball Def: both sub par WTF are we talking about
1st Off, Prime Vinsanity is Easily the Best 2Guard in Todays Game!…I Agree with Coach J that Iso Joe & Joe Dumars are Interchangeable (Though I Give Dumars the Edge)!…Saying Wade wasn’t Dominant is Blasphemy!…The Most Overrated Shooting Guard of ALL-Time is Iverson!…Gerald was WAY Better than Stephen Jackson, Especially on Defense, But Ray Allen Clears!…Rashard Lewis is also Better Stephen Jackson, Josh Howard is Equal to Gerald Wallace, but Wally Sczerbiak is Cap!…Niggas that Wore Dreads in the 2000’s; Gerald Wallace, Danny Fortson, Brian Grant, Ronaldo Balkman, Nene, Troy Hudson, Sprewell & Olawakandi!…
10 Best Shooting Guard Peaks Ever 1. 1991 Michael Jordan 2. 2008 Kobe Bryant 3. 2009 Dwyane Wade 4. 2019 James Harden 5. 2005 Manu Ginobili 6. 1992 Clyde Drexler 7. 2001 Allen Iverson 8. 1995 Reggie Miller 9. 1980 George Gervin 10. 2001 Ray Allen
@@nykareem2001 WCF in 2018 and Lost in 7, Lost in 6 to the same team again. We all know who that team was. Wade also didn’t win anything in 09 or the following season. But harden 2019 is definitely top 3 and 2018 is top 5.
First, see Marz, this is why I am the way I am about Kobe. Why in the hell are you even bringing up Kobe? Like Chill said, he's better than both. But also, this is what I told my friend: a lot of people's opinions on AI, including mine, only come from when we were kids. But guess what? I grew up, and so should y'all. AI is not a top-five SG. Top ten, yes, but as you grow up, you realize AI wasn't that great, but he was really good.
Allen Iverson the basketball player is astronomically overrated. He was a watered down worse version of Russell Westbrook. Extreme High Usage with poor shooting not just because of spacing, but because of the mechanics of his jumpshot. Within the constructs of winning or competing for championships players like Iverson or Westbrook as a team's no. 1 is a waste of time.
That’s a bit harsh. He was CLEARLY a better scorer than Westbrook , more efficient and certainly a better shooter hence why defenders weren’t backed off in the paint when he was on the perimeter. Westbrook brings more things to the table for sure though. As far as him as the #1 option, it’s not necessarily but ideal but he probably could win as the #1 option if his co star was someone like KG, Duncan ,etc. Players with more overall value but not as good offensively as him.
Coach was cookin y'all boys up man lol 15 & 11 with egregious defense is definitely not MVP worthy, yall kill dame for averaging 30 with egregious defense lol politics as usual
Unlike Dame, Steve Nash doesn't consistently play poorly in the playoffs and he had a bigger impact to his team winning than Dame did. Also Steve Nash avg 15 to 18 ppg in the slowest pace era compared to Dame avg 30 ppg in a much offensively faster pace era is ludicrous.
Swipa & Marz are 1 of the same brain 🧠 😂 these dudes be the one that don’t get pick to hoop lol not having T- Mac at least 7 is crazy & the A.I. stuff smh BBall Knowledge sad 🤦🏾♂️
Good show today lol . Iverson vs Harden is always a fun debate. Most people would agree that Harden is better. More people including myself are going to Choose Iverson. I think Clyde clears them both. I am interested in who was better between Iverson and Gervin
Joe Johnson shot .478% from deep on 4.5 attempts per game in 05 with the Suns. Rice shot .47% 5.6 attempts. Rice was the first option though. Drexler led his teams to 2 finals, and had to beat the Lakers one of those times. Harden had Dwight in his last all NBA caliber season. Chandler Parson, Jeremy Lin and Terrance Jones and led them to a 1st round exit. Iverson's lone finals appearance - 35.6ppg on 40/28/73. Kobe '00 - 15.6 on 36/20/91. '01 - 24.6 41/33/84. '02 - 26.8 51/54/80. '04 - 22.6 38/17/92. '08 - 25.7 40/32/79. '09 - 32.4 43/36/84. '10 - 28.6 40/32/88. Kobe's scoring benefitted from him being able to get to the line and knock them down.
Jordan actually brought up an interesting point. We probably are way undervaluing the ability to generate volume shots on poor offensive teams which is where most of Allen Iverson's value lies. Nobody could do what he did in 2001
Coach you clearly don't know how math works. You can't just average 40 because you can't be touched. We need some critical thinking and realize the shot attempts everyone averages
A lotta ppl underestimate AI’s stamina. No other guard from that era is averaging 40+ mins for multiple seasons plus the playoffs on a team with no other scorers who can create for themselves. I think that’s the main thing AI had over other guys at his position. His energy dude was just a runner, would’ve been hell in track if motivated.
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383 he still averaged way more minutes than anyone in his era did both in the playoffs and the regular season. It’s 40+ for both. As far as stamina and endurance goes he’s in a class of his own.
I was gone let the Joe Johnson over Joe dumars debacle slide but I can’t excuse saying AI was more dominant than Kawhi and Dwade. Like please stop inviting this dude on the show the content is not worth it I’m disgusted lmao
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I’m sorry everyone can’t have a voice 😂 like who’s the new kid??? 🍅🍅🍅🍅
These lists bringing back the old PC energy
pc is back baby you 6 are the perfect panel now swipa and jordan is what the panel was missin
Facts
@@Archburnercool man
Facts
Is it tho?(1 sec in vid)
getting a peak episode in offseason is nasty work, btw Jordan must be tired to be jumped on everytime is on the show 😭
No I’m not lol .. i usually win in the end 🤦🏾♂️
@@drenchmansportscap
@@drenchmansportswhat ever you say big dawg
@@drenchmansportswhatever makes you feel better.
I’ve already accepted that this is a James harden hating platform, but come on. A player who at one point was arguably the best player in the league during a time where Lebron, KD, Steph, and Kawhi were in their prime, just to be put under fringe top 10 players in the league during the 90s/00s. And then old heads will say that we’re the ones being disrespectful to past eras.
Just crazy
His prime/best team he got happened to be at same time as the most stacked team of all time. I don't think you could replace harden with many people and have them compete with the kd warriors. Only ones I can think of is lebron or a healthy Leonard
@@ddawg266 Drexler came 2nd in MVP Voting to Jordan just so we all know that. Not saying he is better then Harden. Harden Also has that Playoffs Fall off we have to account for or at least consider
It was a time I had Harden over Curry, KD, and Kawhi
Harden is overrated. He averaged 4 turnovers for 11 seasons, and made most of his points by traveling and foul baiting. That's why he's worse than EVERYONE in the top 10. That's why his production falls off in the playoffs. Harden is a fraud.
@@esleyb7968that Houston team was pretty loaded too
i'm starting to realize nba awards are just a collection of media members opinions, and are therefore no more valuable than if we made a spreadsheet of all panel member's opinions
Exactly
Finally getting to people
Took you years to start realising that other people’s opinions on how good players are shouldn’t matter…glad you realising but wow
The Kobe Bryant vs iverson argument is crazy for Kobe to play defense and still score on the offensive makes a huge difference
That conversation is utterly ridiculous, Prime Iverson in the Playoffs ('99 through '05) as a scorer averaged 30.6 PPG | 43.6% eFG | 49.1% TS | (Defense Adjusted of -2% rTS).
Prime Kobe in the Playoffs('06 through '10) averaged 29.8 PPG | 50.6% eFG | 57% TS | (Defense Adjusted of +4% rTS)
Compare Kobe's Playoffs scoring to LeBron who from '12 through '16 Playoffs averaged 28 PPG on 57.3% TS, you see similarities.
Scoring gap between Iverson & Kobe is massive mainly due to efficiency.
AI didn't play with the same talent Kobe did
@@GODsoN_8471 Are you serious? Are you going to use that argument for everyone? Or just Kobe. 'Didn't play with the same talent' lmao. Are you gonna do the same when debating Wilkins vs bird? Moses Malone vs Magic? Chuck vs MJ? Stop this shit. Plus Kobe literally outscored Iverson in his Best season in 06. Ai avg 33ppg while kobe 0ne-upped him with 35. Man take me back to the days where logic existed. AI is not Kobe Bryant. He is my 2nd favorite player ever. But stop man.
told yall that coach dude was a casual, lol.
Sure
lol yall call everyone a casual bra, just cause they see the game a lil differently.
@@birdo9039nah there was a lot of casual energy
@@birdo9039 you a casual, too.
Agree he’s terrible when he used MVP logic to determine who’s dominant that was the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard 😂
Best Crashout Episode in a Long time
😂
Bruh, Steve Nash clears Rajon Rondo 😂
In NBA History there are more situations where a team can win with Rondo as opposed to Nash. Nash is a better Number one option, Rondo is the better player.
@@justinjones9579of course in NBA history, there are more situations to win as a 3rd/4th option player than there is with a 1st option elite offensibe player, who may I remind you, was in charge of elevating the Mavs, Suns offense to the highest in the league for a decade 2003-2012, was a MVP winner and was robbed from a 07 Finals run from Amare Diaw suspensions from the Horry hipcheck that cost them the series…
@@justinjones9579Nash clears Rondo in scoring efficiency and volume, Rondo clears Nash defensively, Nash beats Rondo as a playmaker, being one of the best playmakers of all time, with high level assists, elite passing IQ, all-time elite passing ability, both are incredible handlers of the ball, yet Nash has more off ball impact than Rondo does on the offense
@@justinjones9579bruh Nash clears Rondo as a overall player 😂 winning as a 4th-5th option on the team doesn’t make you better
@@justinjones9579Nash is better both a number 1 option and player… Rondo is a better defender tho but Nash is a better scorer and playmaker
What Jordan says about "how it looks" = Efficiency. He's basically saying efficiency doesn't matter. When in reality, Basketball is game of FINITE POSSESSIONS, No one has free reign to take & miss as many shots as they want & think it doesn't have diminishing returns in the Playoffs.
Exactly Basketball is a game of possessions
The basketball community has to stop doing this thing where they overrate players they like and are biased towards and acting like they’re not being unreasonable while moving goalposts. Man said AI was comparable scoring wise to Kobe and brought up him being smaller and said chucking 30 shots wasn’t a problem fr
Will never understand the harden fr. Chill town loves winning and holds Malone in high regard and he never won a chip but will critique someone who never missed the playoffs who spent there prime and apex in the toughest conference
This channel just hates harden man
@@MOE__harden is trash
@@ronnellrandle569 such a casual take
@@MOE__ not really I will never praise playoffs frauds
@@ronnellrandle569 you better say melo , Ai and Westbrook are trash too
The coach was wrong but he brought good energy today
Oh yea he was wrong about a lot but he goes against grain
A lot of people when they talk about AI act like he only played in 2001
And forget wade before 2010
He had better seasons individually outside of 01. 03, 05, 06 are the first that come to my head. It’s just they changed the roster up so much and after brown left their defensive schemes significantly took a nosedive. And back then you weren’t making it far in the playoffs with a low rated or even subpar defensive team.
Also just because it was AI and what he represented and how he carried I speculate that their might’ve been some chiseling going on in the regular season and the playoffs.
Exactly that’s cause this panel made this narrative cause Marz a A.I. hater if u notice these podcast sound like fake ESPN media segments 😂😂😂😂
There's something about A.I that make 2000s black Americans just view him like some sort of superhero?? They said he could average 40 to 42 ppg?? Who do ppl think this inefficient undersized horrible defender who cant shoot is??
Ja morant with iq
🤣🤣🤣 I like the analogy, crazy superhero
AI had to shoot 24 FGA a game and get 11 FTA a game to average 33
Harden took 24 FGA and 11 FTA a game to average 36 while taking 13 three pointers a game
unless AI suddenly becomes the greatest shooter ever in no world would he average 40-42 strictly off his middies and layups on a bad team like the pistons or hornets that boy gonna have to take 35 FGA and no coach is allowing his ass to do that
@@CMXR hes gonna have to take damn near 40 shots whilst playing 48 mins a night lmaoo A.i ain't close to KD as a scorer and KD can't get 40 ppg lmao just not how it works 😭
@@retrey63 odd comment…
He was inefficient in the greatest defensive era. In an era like the early 90’s or 2010-now he’d easily avg 35+ on 43-46%
IDK about 40.
Swipa needs to lower his mic. Bro is always yelling
This man coach needs to argue with his kids
Why y’all ain’t tell us Gil was gon be on today 😂😂🤣
Knew I wasn’t the only one who thought this😭😭😭
The Iverson in Denver sample matters because it’s the only time we saw him on a good offensive team. And people keep using the 76ers lack of offensive talent as an argument
Its like i was speaking a foreign language
But it wasn’t in his prime that’s all we be saying we didn’t see mvp ai with a good offensive team
@@NoJumper_23 some times you have to take the sample You’re given and then Work with that though. Also like Marz Said it was very close to High Scoring Seasons in Philadelphia. Also a lot og times People act like Iverson 100% could be a really Gold fit On a offensive team but there is no sample to really suggest that.
@@MarzTalksSports They are Americans they can’t understand British accents
@@NoJumper_23he was averaging 31pts prior the trade to Denver in 2007
I would love to see Coach Jordan & Ticket on the panel together bra lol I feel like they come from the same era of hoop
Idk who that is lol
Go watch some old pc videos @@drenchmansports
Lol he used to be on the panel as a regular, you actually said on the show you was born in 96’ so I’m sure you younger but man bro yall see the game in a similar way fr
Whoever that guy is he’s definitely the new ticket 😂😂😂😂😂 just way less disrespectful but his takes are right on par crazy shit .
At least ticket is fair...not as biased and wrong...ticket has some takes and hate but he isn't a casual
I really enjoyed this Episode, Jordan brought the needed energy
This dude giving ticket vibes minus the yelling
Which is better. Good vibes at least.
Fun Facts: Kobe Bryant was the No.1 option to play “Jesus Shuttlesworth” in He Got Game but he was on business in China, so they gave it to Ray Allen
Exactly Swipa just yapping as usual
Heard the same for Marbury & A.I. spike wanted everyone to play Jesus 😂
Top Theft needs to add Jordan to the panel full time! He's perfect chemistry and brings so much life out of everyone
Great episode guys, rip Rich Homie
I'm confused he knocks Nash's assist cuz he had the ball in his hand all the time but praises AI scoring when he had the ball in his the whole time. Also the whole reason people said Lebron created a superteam was because of how dominant Wade was.
Never heard of that before in my LIFE!! Lebron made a dominant team because of how the Celtics use to kick his ass
@@drenchmansportsthe point hes trying to make is if wade wasnt seen as dominant the heatles wouldnt have been deemed a superteam.
@@MarzTalksSports yeah but that’s just not true. Super teams doesn’t mean all dominant players .. just means very good ones
Nobody said Harden was better than KD in Bk, I live here & that wasn’t a thing.
Im convinced bro got Joe Johnson confused with someone else 😂
42:14 look at chill face yall lmaooo
Great episode fellas.
Amazing episode
great great greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat episode this was a classic
I just want to say the Kobe and Jordan’s and Allen iversons ,before 2010s guards it’s unfair to compare them to todays much more physical era and much more defensive league much more isolation the league was just so different much slower pace and bruising
I valued the 4 chips...smdh...klay never had to play years without curry...ray allen is top 9 at worst
This gotta be all time episode lmao good shit
The panel “Who Is in your top 10?” OX- “ I just feel like “inserts name” doesn’t get enough love 😂😂 literally every list this is OX this is hilarious
After jordan, kobe, and dwade, you can throw any names there and just play with your rankings.
Ron you’re smoking that angel dust if you are serious about trading Rashard Lewis for Stephen jackson
Great episode 🔥🔥🔥
Swiper needs to stop yelling in my damn ear
Best episode ina WHILE
ISO Joe/ Joe dumars debate shows the culture of nba fans
I swear the "basketball heads/hoopers" have the worst takes on basketball 😅
I've never heard someone move the bar more in my life than coach. You have 20 different criterias only to make you right.
Best episode in a while 🔥
Think Ray is the same as Klay is ridiculous
Did this guy just say Parker went to Charlotte and didn't win???? He was over then genius
3PT shot: Ray
Mid range: Ray
Finishing: Ray
Playmaking: Ray
Passing: Stack edge
1 on 1 in general: Ray
Perimeter Defense: Ray
Off ball Def: both sub par
WTF are we talking about
Wade absolutely was top 3. In 2011 he was top 3 when lebron joined him and the outburst was omg its 2 top 3 players now
Vince Carter had people wearing Jumpsoles and doing Air Alert wearing the BB4 Shox lol crazy times
Love this episode 😂
Vince MF Carter prime clears everyone today at the 2 are u kidding me 😂
Swipa just be talking 🤦🏽♂️ I honestly believe he just started watching basketball a couple years ago
T-Mac being on the list heals my inner child. 🐐
Coach didn't watch Manu and it's so obvious. Manu was always the go to guy in the clutch
1st Off, Prime Vinsanity is Easily the Best 2Guard in Todays Game!…I Agree with Coach J that Iso Joe & Joe Dumars are Interchangeable (Though I Give Dumars the Edge)!…Saying Wade wasn’t Dominant is Blasphemy!…The Most Overrated Shooting Guard of ALL-Time is Iverson!…Gerald was WAY Better than Stephen Jackson, Especially on Defense, But Ray Allen Clears!…Rashard Lewis is also Better Stephen Jackson, Josh Howard is Equal to Gerald Wallace, but Wally Sczerbiak is Cap!…Niggas that Wore Dreads in the 2000’s; Gerald Wallace, Danny Fortson, Brian Grant, Ronaldo Balkman, Nene, Troy Hudson, Sprewell & Olawakandi!…
48:47 TICKET Tactic is back 😂😂😂
Jordan, Kobe, West, Wade/Drexler, Gervin, AI, Harden top 8.
Give coach a PC contract
The pacers didn't get to the dam finals because of Reggie you genius coach
Goat PC episode
No world was Tracy McGrady ever better than Ray Allen Tracy McGrady just scored a lot of points
10 Best Shooting Guard Peaks Ever
1. 1991 Michael Jordan
2. 2008 Kobe Bryant
3. 2009 Dwyane Wade
4. 2019 James Harden
5. 2005 Manu Ginobili
6. 1992 Clyde Drexler
7. 2001 Allen Iverson
8. 1995 Reggie Miller
9. 1980 George Gervin
10. 2001 Ray Allen
2018 and 2019 Harden are top 5 and 2019 harden is definitely #3.
@@BigBankJab26 There's a strong argument but playoffs
@@nykareem2001 WCF in 2018 and Lost in 7, Lost in 6 to the same team again. We all know who that team was. Wade also didn’t win anything in 09 or the following season. But harden 2019 is definitely top 3 and 2018 is top 5.
DUB!!! We might need to have Reggie higher with his Playoff scoring
😂😂Manu isn't a top 10 sg peak😂😂definitely not better than any of those players he's above
Great episode i Love heated debates!!
THE WADE DISRESPECT IS CRAZY, HOW FAST THEY FORGET ABOUT THE FLASH!
Why is klay on the thumbnail but not top 10 but wade isn't smdh
This the lineup. Keep Coach. I like the energy.
Vince carter is the best ever dunker
What does ai have over these guys? What makes ai better as a player?
Nostalgia and mid range shots
1:53:45 Ray got the part bc Kobe, Tracy McGrady & Penny turned it down.
Still better than Stack tho
1. One of the greatest episodes of the panel EVER.
2. Sam Jones not being an honorable mention is DISGUSTING. Earl the Pearl too
Coach usually has the worse takes every video, every time he never fails lol
First, see Marz, this is why I am the way I am about Kobe. Why in the hell are you even bringing up Kobe? Like Chill said, he's better than both. But also, this is what I told my friend: a lot of people's opinions on AI, including mine, only come from when we were kids. But guess what? I grew up, and so should y'all. AI is not a top-five SG. Top ten, yes, but as you grow up, you realize AI wasn't that great, but he was really good.
Allen Iverson the basketball player is astronomically overrated. He was a watered down worse version of Russell Westbrook. Extreme High Usage with poor shooting not just because of spacing, but because of the mechanics of his jumpshot. Within the constructs of winning or competing for championships players like Iverson or Westbrook as a team's no. 1 is a waste of time.
That’s a bit harsh. He was CLEARLY a better scorer than Westbrook , more efficient and certainly a better shooter hence why defenders weren’t backed off in the paint when he was on the perimeter. Westbrook brings more things to the table for sure though.
As far as him as the #1 option, it’s not necessarily but ideal but he probably could win as the #1 option if his co star was someone like KG, Duncan ,etc. Players with more overall value but not as good offensively as him.
Unfortunately true but I still fw AI. And they bring a lot to the game
@@NothingElseMattersJM Iverson would have to change his style of play to win as the number 1 option even if he played with guys like Duncan or KG.
U a bozo🤡 if you believe a guy like A.I. was overrated that’s Harden or curry 😂😂😂😂
Coach was cookin y'all boys up man lol
15 & 11 with egregious defense is definitely not MVP worthy, yall kill dame for averaging 30 with egregious defense lol politics as usual
Unlike Dame, Steve Nash doesn't consistently play poorly in the playoffs and he had a bigger impact to his team winning than Dame did. Also Steve Nash avg 15 to 18 ppg in the slowest pace era compared to Dame avg 30 ppg in a much offensively faster pace era is ludicrous.
@@birdo9039 the box score has such a strong hold on people man
Nah I don’t think the box score tells the complete story of a players NBA season but it is part of the story Mars.
@@birdo9039 Sure W story
It’s cool man lol Nash is a great but politics play a role in MVP & you know that very well being that you don’t care about the award at all.
Also- 🔥🔥🔥episode. good shit
we gotta get each of you the same audio setup my god this volume is all over the place
Swipa & Marz are 1 of the same brain 🧠 😂 these dudes be the one that don’t get pick to hoop lol not having T- Mac at least 7 is crazy & the A.I. stuff smh BBall Knowledge sad 🤦🏾♂️
2:38:50 is a PC CLASSSSSIIIICCCC
Facts always a good day when Marz get loud like that😂
@@StreetmoneyRae13 Istg man shit is awesome
It seems like some peoples arguments only apply to the players they like and when someone else fits the criteria they move the goalposts
Coach a Damn CASUAL!!!!
Crazy show today. Marz was cooking
Vince as an honorable mention is fu**ing INSANE!!!!! The only reason he's not top 10 is because he played too long! Cut the tomfoolery!
Joe Johnson better than Dumars because he’s bigger but Iverson better than Harden because he’s smaller…
2:38:54 my dawg Marz was not having it😂
Good show today lol . Iverson vs Harden is always a fun debate. Most people would agree that Harden is better. More people including myself are going to
Choose Iverson. I think Clyde clears them both.
I am interested in who was better between Iverson and Gervin
@@_lamar5059 Clyde clears is interesting
This is terrible....the harden hate is bad
Klay over Dumars is Nasty
Joe Johnson shot .478% from deep on 4.5 attempts per game in 05 with the Suns. Rice shot .47% 5.6 attempts. Rice was the first option though.
Drexler led his teams to 2 finals, and had to beat the Lakers one of those times. Harden had Dwight in his last all NBA caliber season. Chandler Parson, Jeremy Lin and Terrance Jones and led them to a 1st round exit.
Iverson's lone finals appearance - 35.6ppg on 40/28/73.
Kobe '00 - 15.6 on 36/20/91.
'01 - 24.6 41/33/84.
'02 - 26.8 51/54/80.
'04 - 22.6 38/17/92.
'08 - 25.7 40/32/79.
'09 - 32.4 43/36/84.
'10 - 28.6 40/32/88.
Kobe's scoring benefitted from him being able to get to the line and knock them down.
Joe Dumas is a better defender than Joe Johnson was a scorer Joe Dumars was clamps with a money mid range and a willing passer
Jordan actually brought up an interesting point. We probably are way undervaluing the ability to generate volume shots on poor offensive teams which is where most of Allen Iverson's value lies. Nobody could do what he did in 2001
But i say that point like every week and its not interesting. W hater
Never heard you mention that before but go off
jordan deadass only looks at ppg that’s sad lmaoa
Coach you clearly don't know how math works. You can't just average 40 because you can't be touched. We need some critical thinking and realize the shot attempts everyone averages
A lotta ppl underestimate AI’s stamina. No other guard from that era is averaging 40+ mins for multiple seasons plus the playoffs on a team with no other scorers who can create for themselves. I think that’s the main thing AI had over other guys at his position. His energy dude was just a runner, would’ve been hell in track if motivated.
A lot of that normalize in the playoffs though where everyone plays high minutes
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383 he still averaged way more minutes than anyone in his era did both in the playoffs and the regular season. It’s 40+ for both. As far as stamina and endurance goes he’s in a class of his own.
@@GetBackRy3xfor sure but some of that does go away. But some of it also stays. AI gave value playing high minutes that way
Lakers were 7th seed in 06. Play in range.
Best ep in a while
I was gone let the Joe Johnson over Joe dumars debacle slide but I can’t excuse saying AI was more dominant than Kawhi and Dwade. Like please stop inviting this dude on the show the content is not worth it I’m disgusted lmao
Lmao coach hates hearing people talk trash of the players he has all thessle nostalgic feelings
Lmao coach has the worst argument in history
Jordan lowkey got fried bruh