The Kobe hate is real with chill he threw everything he stand for out the window every benefit he gives to other players don’t apply when it comes to Kobe smh did Kobe do him that wrong in that 1v1
@@blackfist6745 man Kobe ain’t let chill get a bucket and must’ve told him to give up on hoops and sit back and watch his cousin Shaq play it’s clearly personal hate he have with Kobe
@@l3gendarysage293 facts I think Kobe was calling him every name and the book while blocking every shot he took and taking the ball ever time he dribbled and scoring on him at will
@@blackfist6745I don’t agree with chill on the kobe hate but there is no argument for kobe over LeBron. Now you sound like either a kobe glazer or LeBron hater, you cant call chill a hater then say something like that
Kobe has the most games played for the Lakers, the most all star selections, the most all nba first teams, the most playoff games played, the most all defensive first teams, the most points in a lakers career, season and game, the most steals and the most playoff points. Thats for any longevity/achievement merchants
W pc! I started watching in may and when people in the comments say it was better before, I’m like damn how!!! Yall got me watching this daily during the nba off season lol
Not even a good bail out either, that's who Dwight is. 2008 Playoffs: 32 TURNOVERS, 9 assists. 2010 Playoffs: 51 TURNOVERS, 19 assists. Dwight was just a better version of Rudy Gobert.
The casual luka slander and misinformation on this panel is crazy. He wouldnt get busy because he relies on fouls WHATTT?? The guy who is still the leading scorer without the free throws who also had the highest ppg in a season without free throws since the merger.Why are they so biased against Luka it doesnt make sense?
@@oluwaseunagboni4106 He was being generous because if you actually watch the game and focus on more than scoring Kobe really is the 4th BEST Laker ever
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 If you actually watched the game, you'd know Kobe did a lot more than just score the basketball. Kareem wasn't a better Offensive Player than Bryant either.
Marz, yeah. Chill. The hater, bruh, was about to throw away his whole argument for Kobe. Also, Magic is not better than Kobe. Plus, if we ask anyone else other than them, most people will say Kobe.
Watching this is a perfect example of why it is hard to argue with anyone. So many inconsistencies. Within a few hours guys argued the opposite side of the same argument they made earlier to promote the player they preferred
I love how Kareem is never in discussion for the greatest Laker. Kareem has 3 MVP’s as a Lakers, 5 titles, 1x finals MVP(probably should have 2). I know Magic took that team to the next level and Kobe is Kobe but when you break it down his accomplishments are right up there with them as a Laker.
Kareem and Magic are tied for importance. You can't have the 1st and 2nd position from the same team. One has to get more credit. Most people give it to Magic. Kobe would be in the same position if Shaq did not leave.
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 magic and Kareem won together and Shaq and Kobe did as well. All of them impact winning. Kobe was a force through it all. When the team was at his worst, he still went out there and played the game to best of his ability. He was main attraction.
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 he is the first. His accomplishment with lakers is comparable to the other two. His skill set better and played in harder era of the nba
@@jay200h I don’t wanna hear nothing about having a better skillset. Jamal Crawfords skillset is WAY better than Shaq but Shaq is WAY better. Accomplishments has NOTHING to do with how good you actually were as a player
I’ve always disliked the discourse around the 2011 MVP. People are so quick to put Bron ahead of Rose and give him the award and completely ignore the fact that lebron wasn’t even the runner up and you would have to argue him ahead of Dwight as well
During the OKC part Trey said you represent your team when you’re on the Olympics but YOU ACTUALLY represent your team when your on the All Star team. Kobe represented the lakers 18x Magic 12x and this guy still picked Magic. Chi11 said longevity matters and still picked magic 12 years to Kobe 20. One guy claims to be a Kobe fan and the other claims to have actually played basketball against Kobe. Kobe haters come in all forms in sizes.
To the youngster in the 25 jersey, that is Derrick’s jersey. Ben’s jersey had broken yellow and blue lines around the sleeve and down the side. Derrick’s jersey was a solid blue. So, the old head was wrong.
What you guys are missing is when Rus. And KD had the warriors 3 games to 1, and because KD knew he was headed to the warriors the next year, he laid down, and that can never be forgotten...
I see a pattern when i watch these videos. Ron doesn’t know the history of the game of basketball to the degree these other panelist do and it shows clear as day. Thats an issue still a great show just think ron should actually have to do his homework just like every other participant 🤷🏽♂️
Wall is the better finisher, playmaker, passer, defender (BY MILES), played better in the post season etc.. His run for the wizards is clearly better than Gilbert
magic is the best playmaker in nba history, better rebounder,better at speeding up the game, and has more accolades in less time ig this is what most people use as argument
Listen people. This player from France Wemby is always the tallest, longest player on the court. By far. What is he 7'6 or 7'7?. He is supposed to Dominate. To his credit, to be so tall he has a degree of athleticism and coordination. However, if he was 6'11 or 7'0 we would not be talking about this guy as much. His abnormal length makes a huge difference.
Man I’m 4rm LA, Southern California to be specific. WE riding with Kobe, period. Y’all missed that one terribly aha Tre talkin bout Kobe is Mike 2.0 but don’t even believe Kobe was nicer than Magic aha
How do we vote for Dwight over Shaq for 5 more years in Orlando where he wasn't even better than Shaq was in Orlando, but pick Magic who played nearly half of Kobe's years?
@@howitzdone8992 Wes unseld should have been the Greatest wizard. He was an unreal passer (especially outlet passing), offensive and defensive rebounder, and great screener and post defender who played there for 10+ years. Going off of stats with Unseld doesn’t do him justice. There’s a reason why Unseld was playing 40+ minutes in the playoffs every year
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 lol acting like I seen Elvin Hayes yet u up here caping for Wes unseld 😂 some mfs just goofy 😂 everything u said abt Wes 7 year old marz just said , niggas comeback always u didn’t watch when they ain’t got shit to say
Melo was never a top 3-5 player in the league. Thats cap. He was fringe top 10 up until 09 mainly because he couldn't get out of the 1st round. Elite scorer but had the label of being somewhat selfish and not playing defense
Again, I don't understand this. When you're choosing the greatest player in franchise history, shouldn't the criteria be legacy and impact/cultural impact, as well as just the better basketball player for that franchise?
Damn who needs family when your own cousin downplays your career like that 😂 Shaq was that dude straight out the gate. By his 2nd year averaging 30 a game. His 4 years of dominance in Orlando override Dwight's 8 years IMO.
Rose absolutely deserved the 11 MVP over Bron , He had far less help , Boozer only played 59/82 games , Noah played 48/82 games , Bulls swept the Heat in the season series , Bron was 26 in his prime beside Wade in his last prime season , Wade was a top 7 MVP candidate , his other teammate was a 18/9 allstar bigman , Bulls finished with a better record , anybody tryna discredit Rose’s MVP is a hater , Bron came in 3rd for a reason , same argument yall dont like for Rose is the same argument yall used for Bron in 2018 , also Bron didnt have a super crazy statistical season in 2011 for me to negate the record and help argument
That might have been one of the most overrated MVP seasons in NBA history. Rose absolutely did not deserve MVP that year over LBJ. What did the Bulls win that year, 3 more games!? It wasn't a lot, lets not get carried away. The Bulls were good that year because they played elite defense, Rose wasn't a good defender. Rose really didn't have that spectacular of a season statistically.
@@jacoblee5796 their main anchor and most important part of their defense missed half of the season , Bron took a dip in stats from 2010 to 2011 which is expected because he had alot more help , but he had the 1 seed on the cavs with no star help , no reason he shouldnt have been able to do that with that heat team , Secondly how can u win an MVP if u have another teammate who stats damn near mirror yours ? Wade was like 25/5/5 to Bron’s 26/8/7 , Wade also finished 7th in the MVP race , 2011 Wade and Bosh coulda made the playoffs without Bron , the Bulls would not have without Rose , their big FA signing missed 23 games , Rose did alot and it was deserved , stop this narrative , Bron was good in 2011 but not good enough for me to say he was robbed of an MVP
@@BigSalmon13 bron didnt deserve it tho , its a reason he finished 3rd , this the only time i ever heard that the nigga who came in 3rd in MVP was robbed , nigga aint even come in 2nd but 3rd , didnt have the best record , didnt have the best stats and had an MVP caliber teammate , wat point in history has that ever happened ? But cuz its Bron right ???
Magic Johnson is not a better Lakers or player than Kobe. Kobe has more points, rebounds, steals, blocks than magic, kobe has more 20 point games more 30 point games more 40 point games more 50 point games more 60 point games than Magic Johnson Kobe has more all nba first teams Kobe has more all nba second teams Kobe has more all nba third teams Kobe has 9 defensive teams to Magic zero, 3 all defensive second teams to Magic zero Kobe was player of the month 17 times to Magic 6 Kobe was player of the week 33 times to Magic 18, Kobe beat 26 50+ win teams in playoffs compared to Magic 13 Kobe clearly played better competition and was better there’s nothing besides passing that Magic has over Kobe it’s just pure hate ppl have on here Kobe Bryant is better player and greatest Laker ever
This is kind of a dumb comment to be honest. Of course Kobe has more of all that, he played 7 more seasons. Yet Magic averaged more per game stats other than points and blocks. Kobe's defense is crazy overrated, people got to stop with that defense nonsense. And beating 50 win teams isn't a personal accomplishment, that really is stupid argument.
@@jacoblee5796Kobe defense nowhere near overrated even saying that atleast he was a defender magic wasn’t and he was taller and had the body to play defense and he couldn’t so again what does magic have over Kobe besides passing nothing move on kid
@@l3gendarysage293 I don't agree, NBA is crazy narrative driven. Yes, Magic wasn't a great defender, i agree but neither was Kobe. That's the thing you Kobe fans can't deal with. Early in Kobe's career he was a great defender but starting around 03 Kobe stopped playing that side of the ball. Look at Kobe's defensive metrics, they are pure GARBAGE. Kobe was winning defensive team awards with a negative defensive box +/-.
Magic played better finals Competition and dragged a hampered Lakers team to the Finals losing to the goat, I’ll concede longevity and defense. Magic peak clears.
Poking holes in those theories. 1. Y’all spent a whole episode talking about longevity, and then uses it for Dwight over Shaq as Magic GOAT, but don’t use that same logical for Kobe who played 20 years for the Lakers (more than Magic, Kareem, Shaq, and Jerry) 2. How were talking about Magic being able to achieve more in a short period of time, but then put Jerry before over Kobe when Kobe has accomplished more than Jerry overall
Ion know why yall keep talking about Chill list. He has Kobe at 11 to gatekeep his top 10. No player in the league currently (besides Wemby) has the potential to pass Kobe and we all know it
Im as big a critic of russ as anyone but ask anyone in the fanbase or in the organization and the greatest thunder is Russ. Not KD. Like at all. Its GREATEST not BEST right? Kd is easily better. Ron tripping. But for the franchise, its russ. By consensus.
@@MarzTalksSports Yeahh CP3 was there for 6 AD for 7. Honestly it's a toss up but I can see why you would take AD I'm not about to disrespect what he did in 2018 lol
I think Magic is the greateat Laker because Magic has 1 more finals MVP but more importantly never caused the problems for the franchise that Kobe did. Kobe redeemed it and more with 2 extra chips but imo Magic is still on top.
Chill used the longevity for literally EVERYONE else EXCEPT kobe, man is a hater for real can't tell me otherwise
😂😂😂😂
had to call out that chill hypocrisy for the one time,not beatin the kobe hate allegations
You need to get your citizenship and become A full time American
@@itszaaaamzeh get even fatter yessir
about time...
kobe 2 jordan 1
Magic is better than kobe
Why Ron on here Dressed like the black Willy Wonka 🍫😂
Damn no cap 😂😂😂
Prince and the revolution starter pack head ahh lol
More like Prince.
The IRL panel is heat we need to find a way to move the panel to Indiana permanently. Time for Marz to become a citizen.
Indiana of all places 😅
@@spaceship5786 lmao aye this Lil set they got going on is fire
Shit, thats gonna take a whole lot more arch super chats to make that a reality
@@itszaaaamzehthe set up yeah but living in Indiana is meh
@@DirtyDevdon’t challenge him lol he gonna keep going
These irl pods really been the best so far and my fave bit will always be when Ron brings up Sonics and Ox antagonizes him. Lmao.
Ron look like he about to go 21- 0 against Charlie Murphy. GAME BLOUSES!
😂😂😂😂😂
The Kobe hate is real with chill he threw everything he stand for out the window every benefit he gives to other players don’t apply when it comes to Kobe smh did Kobe do him that wrong in that 1v1
@@blackfist6745 man Kobe ain’t let chill get a bucket and must’ve told him to give up on hoops and sit back and watch his cousin Shaq play it’s clearly personal hate he have with Kobe
He just annoyed people put him over Bron
@@l3gendarysage293 facts I think Kobe was calling him every name and the book while blocking every shot he took and taking the ball ever time he dribbled and scoring on him at will
@@pemp9606 I’m annoyed people have bron over Kobe
@@blackfist6745I don’t agree with chill on the kobe hate but there is no argument for kobe over LeBron. Now you sound like either a kobe glazer or LeBron hater, you cant call chill a hater then say something like that
Kobe is the greatest Laker ever….
They will take 10 seasons of magic over 20 seasons of kobe lol
No wrong pick I wouldn’t argue nobody for saying Kobe but I’ll take Magic
@@StreetmoneyRae13they were arguing longevity with everyone but kobe
No tf he not yall be 🍆 pulling kobe for being a person who shoots 60 shots for 28 points 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Kobe top 7 easily but no, not basketball wise
Y’all Kobe hate is nasty. Swipe tried to say Jerry West and Elgin Baylor better. Bro wtf is we doing. And chill it’s clear as day
PC was been on fire recently W Show man 😊
When chill picked Dwight for Orlando over Shaq and Mac I laughed because I know he wasn’t gonna do the same for Kobe over Magic
I’m late as hell but peak Dwight was just better than peak mac
@ I disagree but not mad at it
The Kobe hate is disgusting
Kobe has the most games played for the Lakers, the most all star selections, the most all nba first teams, the most playoff games played, the most all defensive first teams, the most points in a lakers career, season and game, the most steals and the most playoff points. Thats for any longevity/achievement merchants
Can't wait for this footage. Should b epic
This was one of the best episodes IRL way better keep it goin yall 💯🔥
W pc! I started watching in may and when people in the comments say it was better before, I’m like damn how!!! Yall got me watching this daily during the nba off season lol
I’ve been watching since day 1. The show was way better back then. You just had to be there type of thing.
@@Doug_Dimmadong word I respect that
@@Doug_DimmadongThink it depends what u prefer tbh
Chill rather change his logic than admit it was Kobe 😂😂😂 wtf Kobe do 2 him that 1v1 can’t mean that much
Shaq is his cousin
@@zionn9246 shaq had Kobe top 3 so I still don’t get it
Ox had to find a way around them Dwight TOs , and Al Horford was the perfect bail out😂😂
any way to show dominican dirk love then ox gonna take it
@@MarzTalksSportsLol Al earned it
1st ballot
Not even a good bail out either, that's who Dwight is. 2008 Playoffs: 32 TURNOVERS, 9 assists. 2010 Playoffs: 51 TURNOVERS, 19 assists. Dwight was just a better version of Rudy Gobert.
The casual luka slander and misinformation on this panel is crazy. He wouldnt get busy because he relies on fouls WHATTT?? The guy who is still the leading scorer without the free throws who also had the highest ppg in a season without free throws since the merger.Why are they so biased against Luka it doesnt make sense?
Yall some Kobe haters
RIP Benji 🕊️
Meant to comment this but Zeezy got good panel chemistry. W from the Logo bring Zeezy on more when things get back to regular programming
Ayee Preciate it dawg 🙏🏽🙏🏽🤧
💯💯💯
That Sacramento loving guy is the biggest clown ever for saying kobe is third Lakers all-time😂
And that dimwit has Orlando Dwight over Orlando Shaq even though Dwight was NOWHERE near as good Shaq in Orlando.
That’s Ox. The panel just lets him say the silliest takes without pushback. Like why say you like to hear slandering of a dead man. It was nasty
@@oluwaseunagboni4106 He was being generous because if you actually watch the game and focus on more than scoring Kobe really is the 4th BEST Laker ever
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 If you actually watched the game, you'd know Kobe did a lot more than just score the basketball. Kareem wasn't a better Offensive Player than Bryant either.
@@oluwaseunagboni4106 Also thinks Orlando Dwight was better than Orlando Shaq which is ridiculous.
chilltown, ron, and big OX are the real deal irl
1:44:53 chill damn near collapsed when he heard swipa say dat 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Marz, yeah. Chill. The hater, bruh, was about to throw away his whole argument for Kobe. Also, Magic is not better than Kobe. Plus, if we ask anyone else other than them, most people will say Kobe.
Ox told kobe might be 4th best laker
Watching this is a perfect example of why it is hard to argue with anyone. So many inconsistencies. Within a few hours guys argued the opposite side of the same argument they made earlier to promote the player they preferred
I really am getting sick of these dudes hating on Kobe. At least I’m keeping it real, these other dudes are just straight haters!!!
Big Facts Ox. I’m mad that I wasn’t in my seat to defend Bean against the disrespect 😑
I love how Kareem is never in discussion for the greatest Laker. Kareem has 3 MVP’s as a Lakers, 5 titles, 1x finals MVP(probably should have 2). I know Magic took that team to the next level and Kobe is Kobe but when you break it down his accomplishments are right up there with them as a Laker.
Kareem and Magic are tied for importance. You can't have the 1st and 2nd position from the same team. One has to get more credit. Most people give it to Magic.
Kobe would be in the same position if Shaq did not leave.
😂😂swipa is deadass a AD hater. He dont even hide it
1:08:53 Mr Denver Man 😂
Kobe is the best laker of all time.
If we are talking about BEST laker Kareem Magic and Shaq had more impact on winning over Kobe.
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 magic and Kareem won together and Shaq and Kobe did as well. All of them impact winning. Kobe was a force through it all. When the team was at his worst, he still went out there and played the game to best of his ability. He was main attraction.
@@jay200h Being the main attraction has nothing to do with this convo. Kobe is the 4th BEST Laker ever
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 he is the first. His accomplishment with lakers is comparable to the other two. His skill set better and played in harder era of the nba
@@jay200h I don’t wanna hear nothing about having a better skillset. Jamal Crawfords skillset is WAY better than Shaq but Shaq is WAY better. Accomplishments has NOTHING to do with how good you actually were as a player
I’ve always disliked the discourse around the 2011 MVP. People are so quick to put Bron ahead of Rose and give him the award and completely ignore the fact that lebron wasn’t even the runner up and you would have to argue him ahead of Dwight as well
Tell me in the deepest of your heart that you truly believe Derrick rose was a better basketball player lmao 😂.
@@mayowaojutalayo5298 I think D Rose for that one season had every right to win it. What are your thoughts on Dwight?
@@mayowaojutalayo5298since when is MVP a best player award 😂
This Kobe hate is crazy and CHILL YOU KNOW DAMN WELL MAN 😒😂
During the OKC part Trey said you represent your team when you’re on the Olympics but YOU ACTUALLY represent your team when your on the All Star team. Kobe represented the lakers 18x Magic 12x and this guy still picked Magic. Chi11 said longevity matters and still picked magic 12 years to Kobe 20. One guy claims to be a Kobe fan and the other claims to have actually played basketball against Kobe. Kobe haters come in all forms in sizes.
To the youngster in the 25 jersey, that is Derrick’s jersey. Ben’s jersey had broken yellow and blue lines around the sleeve and down the side. Derrick’s jersey was a solid blue. So, the old head was wrong.
Marz was cookin w that AD being better than Dwight
Swipa saying Kobe got fake championships but holding up cocaine era when only 2 teams competed 😭
What you guys are missing is when Rus. And KD had the warriors 3 games to 1, and because KD knew he was headed to the warriors the next year, he laid down, and that can never be forgotten...
Idk why everyone is surpised at people having magic over kobe, before kobe passed away most people barely had him top 10, if that.
You mean mostly everyone YOU talk to because most people & most nba players had Kobe top 5 easy
@@shelton2698nigga its way more of us than nba players and just cause a nba player say some it dont make it more valid
@@shelton2698I don't mean the peoole I talk to, I mean the people I saw make top 10 list on youtube,TV,internet over the years
Every laker great say Kobe the best laker ever I don’t get the disconnect when it comes to fans and actual players when discussing Kobe
WHEN did every Laker great start saying that?
@@BIGOXMediasince he retired in 2016 Shaq said it Magic said it Jerry said it n i think Kareem did too
I see a pattern when i watch these videos. Ron doesn’t know the history of the game of basketball to the degree these other panelist do and it shows clear as day. Thats an issue still a great show just think ron should actually have to do his homework just like every other participant 🤷🏽♂️
Wall is the better finisher, playmaker, passer, defender (BY MILES), played better in the post season etc.. His run for the wizards is clearly better than Gilbert
That Connecticut Sun gassing gonna age poorly when CC comes out Wednesday lighting shit up and they head back to a 18,000 crowd in Indiana for game 3
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@@BIGOXMedia Remember when Demar got traded and you was up here screaming Deebo coming? The GOLDEN GOOSE is coming!
@@itszaaaamzeh 😂😂😂
W ox with Paul pierce respect. I’ve watched him compete with bron and Kobe bucket for bucket
Real ones know 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
The Kobe and KD slander got to stop
kd still won .while big ox and swipa were like even jerry west might be better than kobe so he might be three or four .
Acting like Luo Deng and Carlos Boozer are just ordinary guys on offense is crazy. Both were BUCKETS.
Shoutout marz, he do be hating on steph alot but hes one of the only people that i see give AD the credit he deserves 💯💯
Will never understand magic >kobe
magic is the best playmaker in nba history, better rebounder,better at speeding up the game, and has more accolades in less time ig this is what most people use as argument
@28.15 i hope OX know them rebounds Angel was getting was off marina mabrey missed shots too just fyi
Listen people. This player from France Wemby is always the tallest, longest player on the court. By far. What is he 7'6 or 7'7?. He is supposed to Dominate. To his credit, to be so tall he has a degree of athleticism and coordination. However, if he was 6'11 or 7'0 we would not be talking about this guy as much. His abnormal length makes a huge difference.
What part of VA is zeze From?
Man I’m 4rm LA, Southern California to be specific. WE riding with Kobe, period.
Y’all missed that one terribly aha Tre talkin bout Kobe is Mike 2.0 but don’t even believe Kobe was nicer than Magic aha
As a Wizards fan, Wes Unseld is the greatest wizards to play for this franchise.
thats sad
@@MarzTalksSports kinda is ngl. Respect to Wes tho💪🏽
I feel like no one ever truly acknowledges defense when it comes to 1 v 1s
Because nba players are so good in 1s defense doesn't really matter
AD clears Dwight 😂
Damn how many times you gonna comment lol
@@WonderZZZ comment as I watch 😂 don’t watch live
@@howitzdone8992 oh lmao
Not playing on high risk is crazy
Playing on High risk and then getting upset when you keep missing is even crazier….
@@zeezyhunchonoone was getting upset that we were missing. what was annoying was you was making whites
@@MarzTalksSportsJD was literally fidgeting and damn near screaming after missing shots until I told him about normal risk 😂😂😂.
@@zeezyhuncho yeah but he old
i admit i was hatin on chill. i thought he would pull up in some old geezer loafers. the shoe games clean
For me its Magic, but i understand why Bean gets the nod
Ron wants to be the Joker sooooo bad 😂
How do we vote for Dwight over Shaq for 5 more years in Orlando where he wasn't even better than Shaq was in Orlando, but pick Magic who played nearly half of Kobe's years?
For shaq he caught the tail end of an era and was elite dwight was elite after it started so you kinda have to space out that top 5 and top 10
Elvin hates not winning wizards is disappointing
he was my pick but unfortunately i had to side with whatever got wes unseld not picked
@@howitzdone8992 Wes unseld should have been the Greatest wizard. He was an unreal passer (especially outlet passing), offensive and defensive rebounder, and great screener and post defender who played there for 10+ years. Going off of stats with Unseld doesn’t do him justice. There’s a reason why Unseld was playing 40+ minutes in the playoffs every year
Elvin hayes is better 😂
@@howitzdone8992 Look at these bots acting like they watched one possession of Elvin Hayes 😂😂
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 lol acting like I seen Elvin Hayes yet u up here caping for Wes unseld 😂 some mfs just goofy 😂 everything u said abt Wes 7 year old marz just said , niggas comeback always u didn’t watch when they ain’t got shit to say
Lakers imo is Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, West, Wilt, Elgin
W Gifted
Melo was never a top 3-5 player in the league. Thats cap. He was fringe top 10 up until 09 mainly because he couldn't get out of the 1st round. Elite scorer but had the label of being somewhat selfish and not playing defense
Again, I don't understand this. When you're choosing the greatest player in franchise history, shouldn't the criteria be legacy and impact/cultural impact, as well as just the better basketball player for that franchise?
Yall need to stop bullying chill and chill needs to stop changing his takes don’t let this gen z generation make u think u don’t know ball
Damn who needs family when your own cousin downplays your career like that 😂 Shaq was that dude straight out the gate. By his 2nd year averaging 30 a game. His 4 years of dominance in Orlando override Dwight's 8 years IMO.
Man start bringing me up man why yall keep hating on Kobe!!??
Chill hate kobe
Rose absolutely deserved the 11 MVP over Bron , He had far less help , Boozer only played 59/82 games , Noah played 48/82 games , Bulls swept the Heat in the season series , Bron was 26 in his prime beside Wade in his last prime season , Wade was a top 7 MVP candidate , his other teammate was a 18/9 allstar bigman , Bulls finished with a better record , anybody tryna discredit Rose’s MVP is a hater , Bron came in 3rd for a reason , same argument yall dont like for Rose is the same argument yall used for Bron in 2018 , also Bron didnt have a super crazy statistical season in 2011 for me to negate the record and help argument
That might have been one of the most overrated MVP seasons in NBA history. Rose absolutely did not deserve MVP that year over LBJ. What did the Bulls win that year, 3 more games!? It wasn't a lot, lets not get carried away.
The Bulls were good that year because they played elite defense, Rose wasn't a good defender. Rose really didn't have that spectacular of a season statistically.
@@jacoblee5796that’s not true. Rose was a average defender that year while going back and watching dude wasn’t bad. And he deserved it
@@jacoblee5796 their main anchor and most important part of their defense missed half of the season , Bron took a dip in stats from 2010 to 2011 which is expected because he had alot more help , but he had the 1 seed on the cavs with no star help , no reason he shouldnt have been able to do that with that heat team , Secondly how can u win an MVP if u have another teammate who stats damn near mirror yours ? Wade was like 25/5/5 to Bron’s 26/8/7 , Wade also finished 7th in the MVP race , 2011 Wade and Bosh coulda made the playoffs without Bron , the Bulls would not have without Rose , their big FA signing missed 23 games , Rose did alot and it was deserved , stop this narrative , Bron was good in 2011 but not good enough for me to say he was robbed of an MVP
Both sides can be wrong. Bron can be the 2011 mvp and Harden can still be the 18 mvp. It doesn’t have to be Bron for both or Bron for neither.
@@BigSalmon13 bron didnt deserve it tho , its a reason he finished 3rd , this the only time i ever heard that the nigga who came in 3rd in MVP was robbed , nigga aint even come in 2nd but 3rd , didnt have the best record , didnt have the best stats and had an MVP caliber teammate , wat point in history has that ever happened ? But cuz its Bron right ???
Magic Johnson is not a better Lakers or player than Kobe. Kobe has more points, rebounds, steals, blocks than magic, kobe has more 20 point games more 30 point games more 40 point games more 50 point games more 60 point games than Magic Johnson Kobe has more all nba first teams Kobe has more all nba second teams Kobe has more all nba third teams Kobe has 9 defensive teams to Magic zero, 3 all defensive second teams to Magic zero Kobe was player of the month 17 times to Magic 6 Kobe was player of the week 33 times to Magic 18, Kobe beat 26 50+ win teams in playoffs compared to Magic 13 Kobe clearly played better competition and was better there’s nothing besides passing that Magic has over Kobe it’s just pure hate ppl have on here Kobe Bryant is better player and greatest Laker ever
This is kind of a dumb comment to be honest. Of course Kobe has more of all that, he played 7 more seasons. Yet Magic averaged more per game stats other than points and blocks.
Kobe's defense is crazy overrated, people got to stop with that defense nonsense. And beating 50 win teams isn't a personal accomplishment, that really is stupid argument.
@@jacoblee5796Kobe defense nowhere near overrated even saying that atleast he was a defender magic wasn’t and he was taller and had the body to play defense and he couldn’t so again what does magic have over Kobe besides passing nothing move on kid
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@@l3gendarysage293 I don't agree, NBA is crazy narrative driven. Yes, Magic wasn't a great defender, i agree but neither was Kobe. That's the thing you Kobe fans can't deal with. Early in Kobe's career he was a great defender but starting around 03 Kobe stopped playing that side of the ball. Look at Kobe's defensive metrics, they are pure GARBAGE. Kobe was winning defensive team awards with a negative defensive box +/-.
Magic played better finals Competition and dragged a hampered Lakers team to the Finals losing to the goat, I’ll concede longevity and defense. Magic peak clears.
I must’ve missed it was the greatest raptor ever mentioned??
Kobe is better than Magic 😂
Kobe fans are so delusional 😂😂
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 not even a Kobe fan 😂 y’all just overrate the shit out of magic and birds career
@@howitzdone8992 Y’all overrate scorers to the 10th degree when there’s so much more to basketball
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 like defense which Kobe was also better at 😂 or something called longevity which a big component of why he is better
@@howitzdone8992 Longevity does not make someone a better player. Is John Stockton better than Magic?
Chill getting the switch on Marz is crazy
How do I watch them play?
@@eem2wavy133 they probably filmed it
that wasnt even a switch that was my assignment
I’m cooked, why tf my mind go to 🔫
What is the logical reason for AD over CP3??
hes better at basketball
Poking holes in those theories.
1. Y’all spent a whole episode talking about longevity, and then uses it for Dwight over Shaq as Magic GOAT, but don’t use that same logical for Kobe who played 20 years for the Lakers (more than Magic, Kareem, Shaq, and Jerry)
2. How were talking about Magic being able to achieve more in a short period of time, but then put Jerry before over Kobe when Kobe has accomplished more than Jerry overall
Hahaha did this man trey ask chill if he ain’t poop? 2:06:34
Ion know why yall keep talking about Chill list. He has Kobe at 11 to gatekeep his top 10. No player in the league currently (besides Wemby) has the potential to pass Kobe and we all know it
Kobe is the embodiment of what a Laker is
Ant is already number two in Timberwolves history
The whole Perkins Embiid myth regarding the mvp is so disgusting. Embiid was a deserving MVP
**Best Single Year Peak for Every Team**
1. Bulls - Jordan 91'
2. Heat - Lebron 13'
3. Lakers - Shaq 00'
4. Rockets - Hakeem 93'
5. 76ers - Wilt 67'
6. Cavaliers - Lebron 16'
7. Celtics - Bird 84'
8. Bucks - Kareem 74'
9. Wolves - Garnett 04'
10. Spurs - Duncan 03'
11. Warriors - Curry 17'
12. Nuggets - Jokic 23'
13. Blazers - Walton 77'
14. Suns - Nash 05'
15. Mavericks - Luka 25'
16. Nets - Durant 21'
17. Clippers - Kawhi 20'
18. Raptors - Kawhi 19'
19. Thunder - Durant 16'
20. Magic - Shaq 95'
21. Jazz - Malone 92'
22. Pelicans - Davis 18'
23. Knicks - Ewing 90'
Im as big a critic of russ as anyone but ask anyone in the fanbase or in the organization and the greatest thunder is Russ. Not KD. Like at all.
Its GREATEST not BEST right?
Kd is easily better. Ron tripping. But for the franchise, its russ. By consensus.
Steve Nash is the greatest Phoenix Suns of all time ☀️
Are we going to forget that LeBron shut down Derrick Rose in the playoffs
2:37:20 bravo my brother swipa what a joke 😂😂😂😂😂
The Russ hate gotta stop
Marz I’m assuming you’re only taking AD over CP3 for NOP because he was there longer. Their peak seasons are comparable but gimme 08 Chris
was he there for much longer? i took him cos he better fr
@@MarzTalksSports Yeahh CP3 was there for 6 AD for 7. Honestly it's a toss up but I can see why you would take AD I'm not about to disrespect what he did in 2018 lol
Wall>>>> Unseld Gil
Before that year they had Russ Thunder over Harden rockets
Emeka Okafor was ROY not Howard
It’s Russel Westbrook for okc and it’s not close😤
I think Magic is the greateat Laker because Magic has 1 more finals MVP but more importantly never caused the problems for the franchise that Kobe did. Kobe redeemed it and more with 2 extra chips but imo Magic is still on top.
Jerry west and Kareem 😂🤣
If you poll Thunder fans, Russ is the GOAT Thunder. That's it.
On average KD is smoking everyone ever 1v1, cmon man. Melo don’t wanna see him, and I love Melo
Nah, its Dame. Clyde didnt do what Dame did for portland. Nor was he as goof as Dame in his peak
We get tre dang