Shutter types explained What Shutter to use?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Shutter types explained What Shutter to use?
In this video I'm going to explain all different shutter types on Lumix cameras and how to choose the right one.
How Electronic shutter can ruin the bokeh: www.dpreview.c...
My name is Matti Sulanto, I'm a photographer and a Lumix ambassador based in Helsinki Finland. I'll publish a new video twice a week.
I make my content using Panasonic Lumix cameras and lenses. Some of the equipment I use is my own and some is on loan from Panasonic.
My Instagram: / sulantoblog
My website: sulanto.fi
Thank you -- great information -- you are helping out lots of photographers (Panasonic users or not) -- including me!
Finally I know what's all the meaning of these shutter in my lumix. Thanx a bunch!
No problem! Always happy to help.
Hi! I have watched many vid about EFCS, but yours was THE ONE, from which I REALLY undersood the difference , the function and the Cheersopreration of them!
A very big thank you for your vid!!
Greetings from Budapest, Hungary. 🙂
Thank you! Makes me happy to hear that my video was helpful.
Thanks a lot for that explanation. Was just today sitting over my camera and asking myself about what "first curtain electronic shutter" could mean, so, perfect timing. The dprewiew article ist completely nerd stuff but really interesting.
Thanks! Good timing then and I'm happy I could help.
Thank you Matti! This is the best explanation I have seen. To the point!!!
Thank you!
I remember a storm night when i was trying to take thunder photos. I don't like acoustic noises so i switched the volume off in my, not more, g80. From that moment i couldn't shoot slower than 1". Just now i understand why! In silence mode the camera operates using electronic shutter which is "time lower bounded"! Thank's master!
Thanks!
Thank you, you've given a very clear explanation of the differences. As for myself, I've never found any problems using the electronic shutter and so I use it every time unless I have to use flash. MFT cameras appear to be much less prone to the rolling shutter and banding effects.
Thanks! Smaller sensor helps a bit with rolling shutter, but you'll still get the same effects also on the MFT camera in the right circumstances. I deliberately used suitable shutter speed to enhance the effects.
Thanks! I already knew what these shutter types were but didn't know how the mechanical actually worked. :-)
Glad to help!
Finally I got best explanation about Shutter ।। Thanks For the Post
Thank you!
On point. I have a Canon R6 and was curious about the different shutter modes. It probably translate to all cameras pretty well
Thanks. Yes, it's the same with every shutter.
I use the electronic shutter for time lapse as it means less stress & wear on the mechanical shutter. Back in the day when I used to own a Canon 5D MK IV I used to do time lapse and the shutter got jammed on one occasion after reviewing the shots I saw very strange angled strips across some random shots and every now and then a shot would strangely come out not properly exposed. The Canon repair shop replaced the shutter box assembly (they really fussed over warranty claim as they insisted that the camera was not designed for frequent time lapse type shooting - of course they didn't have a leg to stand on). I did the right thing and sold the camera soon after repair. For a while I used a secondhand GH4 and did a huge amount of time lapses with it without a single issue .
Thanks...it's always nice to be reminded of those little details that sometime can make or ruin a photo...!
Thanks, but I'm not Peter😅
@@mattisulanto
... I've already made a correction...
Sorry for the inconvenience... I do not take sides as I use Olympus but also Lumix... so I listen to both of you with equal interest...!
No hard feelings😀
If someone says 1/2000 is a limitation, I'd like to see them shoot with a vintage camera. For example, the Zenit E, where the maximum shutter speed was 1/500s. 😀
Interesting stuff.
Thanks, Peter.
This really helped clarify this. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent choice of topic. Very clear and concise explanation. Thanks!
Thanks!
This was a super helpful video...two thumbs up!!
Thank you!
Great video Matti. At 3:49 you mentioned that mechanical shutter has only one problem. Actually there are two and the second one is lot more troublesome than vidration: the disruptive sound of a shutter. My daugther is a full time theater photographer, and she and her boss the theater director were extremely pleased when I demonstrated them how electronic shutter works.
Thanks! Yeah, shutter noise is a problem in many shooting situations.
Great video, thanks. One reason I use electronic shutter is that the mechanical shutter has a finite life.
Thank you! I guess many users have the same reason to use the electronic shutter.
Good information
Thanks.
Very useful & informative vedio... Sir... Thank You...🙏🙏🙏
Thanks!
Good job and very detailed explanation, I learn many things from you videos every week!
Thanks!
Great explanation! Thank you Matti!
Thank you.
Good one Matt, Well explained. Just what I needed.
Glad you liked it!
Right 👍 this is, after a long period of "testing" my s1r with the sigma 100-400 at 400 mm. Also shot from a Stativ always blury pictures. It seems it's the choice of the "right" shutter mode klaus
Very good instructional video Matti👍. I now know what to set my camera shutters to and why - thanks.
Thanks, Marko.
cool explanation All the Lumix Cameras including FZ80 FZ300 i will subscribe
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you for this spotlight on digital shutters. Being more familiar with phone and film, it’s good to learn more about the menu options on my gx9. 😁
Thanks! Good to hear my video was helpful.
Thank you Matti really good to know great summary. So pleased my like gave you 1k likes ;-) well deserved, Rich
Thanks so much!
Nice and clear explanation ,thanx sir
Thanks and welcome.
Really helpful and useful. Thanks a lot for the concise explanation...
Thank you.
Thank you for this explanation. I had continued to use the electronic shutter because in touring many cathedrals & museums I needed to keep the camera silent but forgot to place it back in mechanical mode. I did get occasional blurred photos with electronic shutter mode with fast movement and I assume the mechanical shutter will fix that. I think I remember a way to make the G9 mechanical shutter to be silent but I may be confused about that, no I am confused about that. Great tips and explanation of the possible new electronic sensor based shutters of the future.
Thanks for commenting.
Great explanation. Thanks.
Thanks!
Excellent, thx for the work 😉
Another great presentation!
Thanks!
Excellent excellent video!
Thanks.
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great very informative a1 man ace.
Thanks!
Excellent explanation,
Thanks!
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Matti ❤️best explanation
appreciated for this informative video..
Thanks!
Hi, I shoot with a em1 mkll, but I saw your video and decided to listen. Thank you. Well explained. Cheers Hanz
Thanks, it's all my pleasure, if you liked the video.
Well done Sir !
Subed directly commig from a canon 6DmkII before that 8 y 550 D ..
Its quite a challenge to understand the silghtly different acronimes and settings...
Althought its a fantastic video camera !!
I still hold on to my 6DmkII for stills and astrofotography , the sharpness and razor sharp and fast focus , and a bit less noise at high iso's is on canon still a bit better i find till now ...but again have to learn 😉🙌
Great explanation, but i wanna ask is electronic shutter will affect the shutter count? Thnks
Thanks. As far as I know, electronic shutter does not affect the shutter count, because the shutter is not moving.
The down side to using the ' Auto ' setting is ? Example - shooting humming birds that are perched ( not moving ) & then it takes off flying. In such a case wouldn't ' Auto ' be the better choice ?
The only downside to Auto shutter is that you can't be sure which shutter the camera will use. I'm not sure what the hummingbirds think of this😀, but I guess you are going to need pretty fast shutter speed, if you want to freeze the bird in flight.
@@mattisulanto Robin Wong has a new vid out - episode # 003 - where he does some critiquing of Panasonic vs Olympic cameras & their pros & cons. He talked about Panasonic cameras ( G9 ? ) being able to switch shutter types automatically whereas with the Olympus cameras he complained that he was constantly needing to go into the menu to switch from Mechanical to Electronic - & back again, depending on the shooting situation. Maybe you could give Robin's video a look at & get it from the ' horses mouth ' ?
@@rayjenkins2754 I have seen Robin's video.
Would you use electronic shutter for time lapse to save wear on the mechanical shutter?
If I was making time lapses all the time, I would probably use electronic shutter when ever possible.
Thank you so much Sulanto for a very well explained instructions. I don’t know why some can give a thumbs dn for such excellent video. I hv 3 questions:
1) I saw there is still a curtain moving for EFC and you mentioned there is no vibration.
In theory will there be still a vibration but is so minute that prob would not be noticeable? Does EFC register shutter count?
2) Both EFC and Electronic has certain limitation for shutter speed. And the latter will cause banding and rolling shutter as well under certain speed and light condition. Assuming speed is within range and under ideal light conditions, is EFC or Electronic better to bring out the sharpest and most dynamic range and with the least noise.
3) Do you have any ideal what is the bit value for each type of shutter for G95? I read a comment in a forum that electronic shutter normally has lesser bit but he can’t confirm. I can’t find such info despite I google extensively.
TQ so much.
Thanks! 1. Only the second curtain moves to close the exposure, so any vibration would occur after the exposure. 2. I don't think the shutter type has anything to do with the sharpness or dynamic range, if possible shutter shock is excluded. Some tests indicate, that there is more noise with the electronic shutter, with all cameras, but I have not investigated that. 3. As far as I know the picture file is always the same regardless of the shutter type.
@@mattisulanto TQ
Nice shirt! 😂😂👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks! 😁
You didn't mention the leaf shutter that we can find built in some high end cameras such as PhaseOne. But other than that, very informative video.
Thanks! Well, I concentrated on shutters that are in the camera body. Leaf shutter lenses are relatively rare, after all.
At 7:02 it is really interesting that on most Lumix cameras the max shutter is 1 second, which I kind-of understand. Can you take an experiment, please? Set your shutter speed to 1 second, and set your camera to continuous shooting with silent fully electronic shutter. How many pictures can you take in 3 seconds? I mean just keep your shutter button pressed for three seconds, and count how many shots your camera took with full electronic shutter? Thank you so much.
I get three photos in three seconds.
sulantoblog Thank you Sir!
@@miklosnemeth8566 Would mind telling me why this is interesting😀
which wears your camera shutter more efcs or off
I have no facts, but I suppose electronic front curtain could cause less wear, because there is less movement.
Thank you, but i would like to know how the “auto” setting behave (Lumix G9). In which situations the camera will use mechanical or electronic shutter.
It depends on the camera model, but as a rule of thumb, if the fastest shutter speed is not enough, the camera will use electronic shutter.
Does shutter count of the camera rise like mechanical shutter if we use electronic front curtain shutter?
Good question and I'm not sure, but I think the EFC will add to the shutter count, because the shutter moves.
At 5:21 you mentioned that the max shutter on Panasonic cameras is 1/2000 s for first curtain electronic shutter. On the 2013 Sony A7 the shutter speed is exactly the same as with mechanical shutter 1/8000. I don't understand the reason of this limitation in Lumix cameras, theoretically EFCS simply resets the sensor stripe/slit exactly as with a mechanical shutter.
It's interesting, but not a big deal, because possible shutter vibrations at 1/4000 or faster will have not effect.
When we say EFCS affects bokeh, does it affect bokeh at all shutter speeds or just higher speeds? And what’s considered a high speed shutter? 1/1000?
It depends on the camera and the lens. I suggest you make some experiments with your gear and see what happens. You should see the link below the video for more details.
@@mattisulanto thank you sir for your reply! Another question: do you find the EFCS also have the rolling shutter problem or is it only limited to full electronic shutters? And there is this one person who found that full electronic shutter actually has the same bokeh as the mechanical: ie better bokeh than EFCS. Do you find that to be true? ruclips.net/video/-KnE1MEJ_2g/видео.html
Hello, is there a method to keep the shutter curtain closed when there are no lens attached? I'm trying to avoid dust on the sensor when changing lens. Thanks
There are few cameras with that feature, but no Panasonic yet.
@@mattisulanto thank you ☺️
I recently bought a lumix gx850 and my only options are eshtr and efc but etc is greyed out what shall I do
I have no idea what ETC is. My GX880, which is almost the same as the GX850, has AUTO, EFC and ESHTR. I suggest you read the manual.
@@mattisulanto I mistyped but my options are the same but efc is greyed out and I was also expecting a mechanical shutter but I guess I’m wrong
@@alexsl0576 The GX850 does not have a fully mechanical shutter.
Hi Sulanto, Abit of side track but hope u hv an explanation. I own a Panny G95. When I mount a manual lens, the EFC is grey off. I can only use either E, Mech or Auto.
And btw, when switch to Auto, what shutter does the camera chooses. Any idea?
Tks
I'm not sure about the EFC with a manual lens. When use choose auto shutter, the camera will switch to E shutter when the shutter speed is outside of the mechanical shutter range -i.e. fast shutter speeds, like 1/32000.
@@mattisulanto Thank you
I have a problem whit Lumix g9… the Mechanical shutter locks! Help Me please
Reset the camera to factory defaults and if that doesn't help, contact Panasonic service.
Hello I found this very helpful thank you...I understand that your the ambassador for Lumix can you help me with an issues please, I cant work out how to use my shutter speed setting on my G90, I have tried many different settings but what I get is the red flashing all the time and it wont take the picture, if it does it take for every to save it..!...can you help or make a how to please thank you :)
I'm afraid, that based on your description I can't really figure out your problem. Put the mode selector on S (Shutter priority), select your shutter speed and take the photo. Please, also read the manual pages 72-80, English manual.
@@mattisulanto Ok I will send you an email with a better description
Great explanation, thanks. In daylight and with no moving subject, would electronic shutter also not be a good solution? It avoids wear and tear of the mechanical shutter.
Yes, it can be used, but it's good to know what can happen. Try and see what happens.
1...for video shoot what type of shutter to use...???
You can't choose the shutter type for video, the camera will always use electronic shutter.
@@mattisulanto bro u sure....??
@@i-m-alien You can try, if you can choose the type of shutter on video mode😀
I have all setting Auto on my S1...wich setting the best ?
Hello Matti , please for you ..which setting the best for S1?
If you are talking about the shutter settings, the answer is in this video.
An excellent presentation, thanks! Makes me wonder though, if it would be preferable to leave the shutter type choice to the camera by using the auto-setting apart from situations where a silent, electronic shutter is specifically needed?
Thanks! I should have said more about the AUTO setting. Yes, you can use AUTO and the camera will switch to electronic shutter, when the fast speeds are needed, but if you want EFC, you have to manually select that.
@@mattisulanto I appreciate knowing that distinction. The next time I'm shooting birds flying I'll try different ones & see.
The short e-shutter speed of 1/32000 should avoid the "rolling shutter" issue ... so my expectation
The problem is that 1/32000 doesn't necessarily mean that it will take 1/32000 of a second to take the entire picture. It just means that each individual spot on the sensor will be illuminated for that long, but not at all of them at the same time.
Thanks Matti, very well explained. However, what about the mechanical shutter lifetime? I read somewhere that mechanical shutter has a limited lifetime, thus continuously using it is not recommended.
Thanks! Yes, every mechanical device has a limited lifetime. However, I would not limit my shooting, because I'm afraid the shutter is going to break. I have never seen any manufacturer recommend not to use mechanical shutter. Cameras are made to be used, after all.
good content! thanks
also isnt electronic shutter more suitable for timelapses?
Thanks! I'm not sure if it's more suitable, but at least you are not putting any stress on your shutter.
Any problem with e front curtain shatter stands off position for video
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. I'm sorry.
I always keep my e shatter curtain 'off' possition . is it good for Camara?
@@anuraj5295 If you use e shutter the mechanical shutter does not move and can't wear, but other than that it doesn't matter.
@@mattisulanto tnks
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Any trick on how to turn off silent mode on a g9? It says it's in silent mode and will not allow me to change shutter type.
I figured it out.... The little dial on the front of the camera lol. That's what that little dial does.
IIRC you can program the switch/dial for different functions, but that is the default.
Just a question.. Why on lumix using any kind of electronic shutter reduce raw bit depth?
Like on my G80 but as I can see also on G9 and others, to 10 bit actually iirc (on g80)
I have to say I don't know for sure.
Sir I am shooting videos for food channel .. which one shutter type should I use? I have Lumix G9
If you shoot video, you don't have to worry about shutters, because for video the camera will only use electronic shutter.
Thank you, I love your channel. I own the G9 and I am very happy with it. My question on preview settings relates to my confusion regarding whivh Shutter mode I'm in. As I understand things, when I'm in electronic shutter mode, I constantly see my image lighting, etc . so that the preview issue is only when in the mechanical shutter mode. Then, I can constantly see the actual image only if I'm in the M mode. To see a preview while in mechanical shutter and set to either A,S,P mode, i would use your suggested method. Is this correct?
Thank you and continue your great work.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you turn on the Constant preview, you'll see the real time exposure in the camera.
Hi Matti.
I would like to confirm that while in the Mechanical Shutter mode, I can only see in the viewfinder the actual exposure (and changes I make to aperture and shutter speeds) while in the Manual Exposure mode. If I want to see how the picture will look while in either P, A, or S.mode (still using Mechanical Shutter), I can use your work around as you describe in your video on exposure preview. Is this correct or am In doing something wrong?
Thank you very much.
Keep up the great work!
@@garyspeiser5946 If you have the constant preview on, you should see the exposure, regardless of the shutter or the exposure mode.
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I'm sorry for the confusion. I do have the constant preview option set and I'm in the mechanical shutter mode. I meant that I need to press the exposure preview button (default Fn5) or press the shutter release half way in order to see the actual exposure while in the Electronic shutter mode, you always see the actual exposure without pressing any buttons. I was connecting between this video and your one on Exposure Preview from a year ago. It was a bit confusing at first but definitely got it now. Thanks to you.
Interesting I hadn't realised they were developing a new shutter. That will mean certain death for DSLR when they do.
It's a new sensor actually, not a new shutter, and it makes mechanical shutter redundant.
Hello. I think I have a problem with my mechanical shutter, because all the pics I took with mechanical shutter are always overexposed
It’s possible, but if the over exposure is consistent I think may not be a faulty shutter.
@@mattisulanto hello. Thank you for your reply. But what do you mean it may not be a faulty shutter? Because yes, it is consistent. I never can use my mechanical shutter,
Because I have not seen your camera and how you use it, I can’t be 100% sure it’s the shutter. It can be a faulty shutter of course.
If my camera can take 6 photos per second and record videos at 60fps.
And 60 fps is the same than 60 photos per second. Why does the photo mode only let you take 6 per second? What is the difference between fps in video and taking pictures per second?
I'm not an image processing expert, but I think it's because of different processing of stills and video. Please google the topic and I'm sure you'll find the answer.
yeah sorry I did not notice, I had some of your videos opened in different windows. You probably don't know but my native language is Spanish so I writed the comment on a word page for trying to explane myself the best as possible. I closed the first video but I didn't remember if I had posted the comment so...
Electronic shutter makes some strange deformations on pictures in motion. I don't like that, even if I can get 40 fps on my Lumix LX-100.
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Seems that electronic shutter would allow for unlimited flash sync speeds.
Global shutter would do that, but that's not yet available.
What does the text on your shirt mean?
It means, that a mirrorless camera is the best choice, but it's just a slogan and meant not to be too serious😀
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Thank you so much. 😊😊😊